June 2, 2025 • 36 mins
An in-depth interview with Oklahoma Senator Markwayne Mullen, who provides exclusive insights into the much-anticipated “big beautiful bill.” This legislation, a cornerstone of the Trump administration’s economic agenda, aims to slash $1.6 trillion in deficit spending immediately—marking a significant departure from traditional 10-year budget cut plans. Senator Mullen outlines how this bill aligns with key Trump-era policies, including eliminating taxes on tips, overtime, and Social Security, and emphasizes the importance of fiscal responsibility and reconciliation to implement these reforms. The conversation also explores the political divide within the GOP, with Mullen addressing concerns from fellow Republicans like Senators Rand Paul and Ron Johnson. He defends the necessity of raising the debt ceiling to stabilize the economy, likening it to investing in a failing business to ensure long-term growth. Mullen projects that with sound policy, innovation, and responsible governance, the U.S. could balance the budget within three years. Listeners are treated to a lighter segment as Senator Mullen, a former MMA fighter, shares his admiration for legends like Jon Jones and Randy Couture, and names “Bloodsport” as the greatest martial arts film of all time. The hour also includes commentary on the NBA Finals, the Prize Picks fantasy sports app, and a humorous exchange about sailors’ spending habits. In a sharp critique of mainstream media, Buck Sexton highlights what he sees as biased economic reporting, particularly from CBS News. He praises Treasury Secretary Scott Besson for challenging alarmist inflation narratives and defending the Trump administration’s economic performance, including a notable drop in inflation and egg prices. The hour wraps with listener calls, including a passionate plea for tax reform and a proposal to repeal the 16th Amendment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour of Plan Buck kicks off.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Now we're joined by oh blahoma, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen.
Senator Mark Wayne Mullen. I'm sorry, Senator Mullen. Well also correct.
Good to have you on, Senator Buck.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Thanks for having me on, and anything works. But you
don't have to call the title Mark Wayne Mullen idiot.
Full all those work. I'll enter to them all.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I believe you are an MMA fighter, so I'm going
to pass on the idiot, but I will I will
definitely keep in mind that you are not one who
standing on ceremony and formality, so thank you for that. Yeah,
but tell me this, I mean, look, we you know,
I don't know. I'm sure you know what this is like,
your United States Senator. Sometimes you get a little caught
in the crossfire on some things. On the one hand,
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we're talking we have people from the Trump White House
on and they're talking about the big beautiful bill, the
great things that will do the boom in the economy.
They believe it will bring about take home pay for Holmes,
all that stuff. The other side, we get people we
have had your colleague, Senator Ran Paul. We've had your
colleagues Senator Ron Johnson on and they're saying, look, there's
some great stuff, but spends too much money.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Where does the big beautiful bills.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Stand now on the Senate side? Walk us through what's
going on, what you like, what maybe needs to change,
and what we should expect.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Well, first of all, I mean, this bill has been
getting negotiated since November, So this does an anything do
everybody's had I had time to put their input, and
they're going to have more time to put their input.
So I got all the respects in the world for
Ron Johnson and Rand Paul, but the truth is their
ideas are great, but it's their idea and they're going
to have to get fifty one people to agree with them.
(01:38):
And So what we've got issues here is that we
have Obama slash Biden era policies. And I mean that sincerely,
because you know, Biden is just, you know, an extension
of the Obama era of policies except worse. So you
have that's what we're currently operating nderneath. And now you
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have the Trump policy error that's trying to come in place,
and we do that through reconciliation. We all want to
cut more spending. I mean physically, being physically responsible is
honestly what we all want to do. But the House
will cuts one point six trillion dollars from deficit spending.
And that's true deficit spending. Now, I've been up here
for way too long, serving the House for ten years
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and now two years in the Senate, and I can
tell you every time we've always had deficit cuts, it's
always been a ten year cut. Right, It's going to
save five hundred billion over ten years, and we never
actually achieve a ten year cut. This is one point
six trillion dollars cutting immediately, so it doesn't balance a budget,
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but it does move forward. And as we move forward
to this bill, hopefully we can even do better. Hopefully
we can get to two trillion dollars and cuts. Except
at the same time, we're trying to implement you know,
campaign promises too, and the American people want the Trump
policies that he campaigned on. In one of them is
no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, and no
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tax on Social Security. Well that adds costs too, and
so you've got to take it in and out and reconciliation.
We can only deal with taxes and mandatory spending, not
discretionary spending. So we got a narrow window to what
we can actually work with. That's why it's called reconciliation
and requires fifty one votes. Where a budget, which we'll
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start on, you know, the budget just I mean our
discretionary spending moving forward right after this, and that's a
sixty vote threshold. So my point that I'm trying to
get to Buck is that we have a very narrow
window that we can work with. We're going to get
all the cuts we can possibly get at the end
of the day when this bill goes to the floor.
That's one big, beautiful bill that we've been working on
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since November, and everybody's had to bringing prints on, everybody's
had an opportunity to put their input on. We're going
to put whatever is on the floor that can get
fifty one vote so we can get away from the
Biden era policies and move forward to the Trump era policies,
which is we're seeing the economy respond to already, and
we haven't passed the bill yet.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I wanted to have you react, Senator moll into what
Senator Paul says here about four Republicans who he believes
will not go along with the bill as it stands.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
This is cut three team, play it team.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I think there are four of us at this point,
and I would be very surprised if the bill at
least is not modified in a good direction. Look, I
want to vote for it. I'm for the tax cuts.
I've voted for the tax cuts before. I want the
tax cuts to be permanent. But at the same time,
I don't want to raise the debt sealing five trillion.
So I've told him, if you take the debt ceiling
off the bill, in all likelihood, I can vote for
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what the agreement is on the rest of the bill,
and it doesn't have to be perfect to my liking.
But I can't be if I vote for the five
trillion to our debt. Who's left and watched that cares
about the debt? We will have lost that the g
people own the debt once they vote for this.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
What do you make of that Centata, Well, we're going
to have to raise the debt.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
You know. It's kind of like taking over a failing business.
Right When you take over a failing business, you don't
just start making money day one. You have to invest
in it. And that's why you bring in investors, and
investors are expecting you to get a return. And that's
what the American people did. They invested in the Republican
Party and expecting the return. But you can't just simply
turn it around. The Biden administration spent like drunken sailors.
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You know, we had almost every almost every single agency
iner the last four years has increased from fifty to
one in in what they're receiving for their budget in
four years. So we're cutting everybody's budget and we're bringing
down the debt. But you can't just simply say that
we're going to have enough money to balance the budget immediately.
(05:53):
We're going to have to borrow more money. And I
think in two and a half maybe three years, we
can balance it. We won't have to borrow any money
if we continue down the Trump policies that he's put forth.
But you can't do it now. And so I don't
know what Ran Paul wants us to do, because we
are in debt, and the debt limit is going to
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hit us regardless of what we do. If we pass
this bill we don't, it's going to hit us. And
so we have two choices as Republicans we can put
the debt limit increase on reconciliation and only have to
have fifty one votes, meaning that we can do this
without the Democrats' support, or we'd wait and we do
it on a budget bill, or we do it as
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a standalone and we got to have sixty. So now
we're going to have to negotiate with Chuck Schumer and
the Democrats to get them to give us seven or
maybe even more votes, and probably more than likely by
the time we negotiate with them, there's going to be
a lot of Republicans that aren't going to want to
vote for it, and so instead of just having seven,
we're going to end up having to have fifteen or
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twenty Democrats. Now can you imagine what type of deal
we'll have to strike with them, because we're going to
raise a dead limit. Regardless, we're going to raise a
dead limit. We're going to raise it. If we raise
it four point five trillion, I will be willing to
tell you buck right now, we'll have to raise it
again another two and a half trillion. And so I
feel like we should just go ahead and raise a
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dead limit enough that we know, if the numbers continue
to grow, the way they are with the GDP growing,
with the the the debt, decrease in deficit spending because
we're doing one point six off of discretionary or off
of mandatory. And then next then when we start doing
the budget bills, we can even do more off discretionary spending.
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By those two graphs, they're going to meet in about
two and a half or three years. It will be
the first time that a president has balanced the budget
since Clinton. But we're going to have to borrow the
money to get to that point. So we, like I said,
we can do it now and negotiate with Republicans only,
or we're going to do it later because there is
no B. There's either A or B because C means
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with a fault and we're not going to default on
the money we spent. We spent it, regardless we like
it or not. We spent it, so we got to
pay it back.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Speaking in Oklahoma, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen and Senator Mullen,
you're talking about balancing the budget in the future, not
on this big beautiful but what is the is the
official what is the official name of the bill? Sorry
for the diversion, but I'm curious is it going to
be called the Big Beautiful Bill or is there some
boring DC names for it.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I'm sure we're gonna come up with some ridiculous, you know,
acronym because we love acronyms up here. But right now,
we're gonna call it what the President calls it, one
big beautiful and by the way, he just recently added glamorous,
one big beautiful, glamorous Bill. But we don't I don't
know what the acronym is.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I got you, okay, I mean I think I think
we just go with big Beautiful Bill. Personally, everybody knows
what we're talking about with that one. I think we've
been Yeah, it'll drive the it'll drive the Democrats completely insane,
which makes it even more fun and more worthwhile right
in and of itself. But for those who because look,
I get people who call in or write in and
they're they're upset, and they start to say things like
(09:08):
we're just never actually going to deal with the debt
and all this talk about dealing with the debt is
is hot air. What do you say to them, I mean,
at what point do we start to take the debt?
Is it realistic that within the Trump administration at some
point we can actually start to take the thirty six
trillion dollar debt in the other direction.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Or is that just is the best.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
We can hope for slowing the increase over time, maybe
balancing it here and there.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
No.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I think we can reverse it, but it takes it
takes three things to happen. For that to happen. One,
we've got to have sound policy that the economy will
respond to. I mean, we got to have sound policy.
We're economy who's going to respond to. Two we've got
to have accurate policies that that will drive innovation.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
And then number three.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
The.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Politicians us we have to be responsible with the taxpayer dollars.
And if you do those, then economy and the spending
levels will eventually touch each other and will surpass them.
If the GDP can grow right around three percent and
we can hold spending at its current level after we
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do the reconciliation, just by doing that and not doing
additional cuts, which we will do additional cuts, but if
we just do those, most economics will tell you that
the lines will touch in two and a half or
three years, depending on the investment and how much we have.
We see that inflation is down to two point one
percent already. That's huge. Right. When we see the taxes
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become permanent, and then we see R and D, which
will hopefully become permanent, Research and developmentill come permanent where
they can actually write that off. You're going to see
that that technology filled increase here and you're going to
see the growth begin, which is exactly what you do
with the business. Right You take out debt for potential
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earnings because you have a business plan, you borrow on it.
The bank borrows the less you borrow the money because
they see your business plan and they know that your
growth is going to eventually surpass enough to be able
to pay you off a debt. That's what third gamble is, Well,
we feel like we're trying to operate like a business
because we have a business guy in office, not just
myself but the President Trump himself, and we're taking a
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business approach to it. We know we can't just simply
cut it off right now, which we are. We'd love to,
but we just can't find enough to cut all the
programs in this short period of time. The more we
dig into them, the more DOGE continues to dive in,
the more we continue to dive in and see all
the waste and fraud that has been taking place in
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the government, the more we'll continue to cut and I
feel this will. I mean it sincerely. This is the
first time that I've ever been up here that I
feel very, very confident that we will balance a budget.
And the Presidence made it his plan that that's what
he wants when he's sat down and talked to us,
especially those that have a relationship with him. This is
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this is part of his make America great again. That
he understands how to make money, but he also understands
debt and how it works.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Senator, before we let you go and take a hard
turn here into just curiosity ville, you were an MMA
fighter for how many years?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Well I fought for three years, but before that we
were you know, we weren't considered professionals, right, so there
is additional fights too. But you know, I wasn't as
good as a lot of these other guys out there
that everybody knows.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Who do you think is the best of all time?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Taking punch?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
You know, because because you've been in that arena, literally
inside that cage, right, who do you think is the
best all time?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I'm just curious boy.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Well you got to go way back. You got to
talk about John Jones. John Jones is just even though
he's had personal issues, the guy has just been a
beast and U people call him the goat just because
he's had, you know, uh some issues. I still think
the guy was just the most dangerous man that stepped
in the ring. I mean, the guy is just a stud.
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But when he was started looking at some of these
old school guys, ready couldture for instance instance, I mean,
here this guy comes in, he wins uh you know, uh,
he wins two different divisions as a world titles for
the USC. I think he ended up winning five total altogether.
I'm trying to pull that off top of my head.
Rady's ACTU friend of mine. He's gonna be upset that
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I can't remember his record. But the guy was just
absolutely unbelievable. He came in and made some fights and
fought up on up up weights that most people didn't
expect him to be able to do. He embarrassed Ken
Shan Rock and very expected butt and and Ken is
the guy that I trained with some so and and
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he just there just a whole host. It just spends
on the year that you want to get to, right,
you can. There's a whole bunch of guys that's come
in there. Daniel Cormy uh DC, which people have talked about.
Everybody underestimated him, and he did. He did just phenomenal
work in there, and he didn't look like he ever
belonged in in the division. But you got at one
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time you had a big rig was the name Johnny
Hendricks who was walking through everybody right uh and and
at that at that time. But now could he compete
with the days fighters? That's what The days fighters are
so much better talent than we ever were back then
we're just a bunch of bankers. Now, these guys they've
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been they grew up in the in the field.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
One more lightning round, quick, just quick for kind of
related best martial arts movie of all time in your mind,
blood Sport, that is the correct answer. All right, he
got it, Senator Mark Wayne mull and everybody. Senator, appreciate
you making the time come back.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
To all right, see you by the.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
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We were just talking to Senator a moment about the
big beautiful bill. Jim Jordan over on the House side
had this to say about it. Astute observation play clip four.
I said this on the House floor. You know it's
a good bill because the left hates it.
Speaker 8 (16:38):
And the left hates it because it has core common
sense Republican principles in it. It cuts taxes, it secures
the border. It says if you're an able bodied adult
and you're getting welfare, you're going to have to work.
And it says to moms and dad's we got school
choice in here, so you we know you are the
best one to pick where your son or dollar is
going to get the best education. Four key Republican, common
sense conservative principles. That's why the left doesn't like it.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Let's take a call from Andy and Austin, Texas. What's
going on? Andy?
Speaker 6 (17:04):
Hey, I think our politicians have demonstrated today are unwilling, unable,
and will never ever.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Get us to a balanced budget.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
I appreciate the senator's comments there, but we have a
thirty seven trillion dollar debt and the tax code that
we have in place right now is not going to
allow us. It's not the instrument is not being used
to raise the revenues that we need to pay our bills.
So we have got to change our tax code.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
We have got to repeal the.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
Sixteenth Amendment, and we've got to get rid of every
every tax that the government collects right now and replace
it with a twenty two five. It's a twenty five
one quarter of one percent fully funds our government with
a one point seven trillion dollar surplus, and that means
twenty five cents.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Per one hundred bucks.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
But that means everybody pays tax one hundred percent of
our economy's tax at one quarter of one percent. Everybody.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
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Speaker 1 (19:01):
Two two eight A two US call. Let's chat. Whatever
you have top.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Of mind we can dive into together. We can also
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me see who is this David in Long Beach, California.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Rights.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Why are we sailors always the ones getting called big spenders?
The worst spenders are drunken Marxists. Leave US sailors out
of it. By the way, a great interview with Senator
Mark Wayn mullen. He laid it out correctly with the
debt ceiling and fellow Republicans. So it can either be
just among Republicans or they can work with Schumer and
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his band of drunken Marxists, which will be a better
deal rammed. So David taking that position there and agreeing
with Senator Mark Wayn Mullen, and I would say on
the sailors thing, I don't I don't know why. I guess, Look,
we all understand, right, it's it's sailors. They're out, it's
and they get into port and they want to party
a little bit, right, so that's you know, But they
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do they spend too much?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I don't know. Maybe maybe they don't.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Maybe they're pretty fastidious with their paycheck when they get
into port. I couldn't speak from any particular knowledge on
this issue. Are there any different than anybody else on
pay day who hasn't been able to get off base
for a while though we're looking at the military side
of things.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I have a feeling the army guys when it's paid
a probably get off base and have some fun too.
I'm just I'm guessing. I'm guessing I don't know the
CIA when it's paid a we sit around drinking frappuccinos
and talking about the latest Vanity Fair spread, and you know,
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SEEI is a little bit of a different culture internally.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
So yeah, well we'll get into it.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Let's get also here the sit down that a CBS
News is Margaret Brennan. I have to say, she looks perpetually,
deeply unhappy, which maybe she's a Democrat, so that might
explain it, but she just gives off the It's like
she's sitting there and it's just sour lemons that she's
having to deal with all the time. And Scott Bessen,
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who seems like a very very smart and very reasonable guy,
sat down with her, and I really appreciated this because
you'll notice, guys, can you tell me what the price
of eggs is down?
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Now?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I think the price of eggs is down like sixty
six percent is what I saw this morning when I
was doing my reading for the show. Some like remarkable number.
And it's only June, right, so Trump's been in office
less than six months. Price of eggs way down because
I remember when the price of eggs was a news
story that we all had to be fixated on for
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days because Trump said he would bring down the price
of eggs, and he hasn't brought down the price of eggs. Well,
I mean, he's been in office for maybe a few weeks.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
At that point.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
It seems a little unreasonable, doesn't it. And as I've said,
I do believe that one of the only bad side
effects of only costs of Trump securing the border so
quickly is now we're a little spoiled and we have
the sense that all these things can be done as
quickly as they secure the border, which unfortunately is not true.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
It's just impossible. But it is happening.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
It is in progress, and so we'll give you an
update on the price of eggs. But the same people
who are saying the tariffs are going to destroy everything,
they're trying to create the perception of a bad economy
and out of control Trump problems, problems, problems, and they
just keep shifting over in the Democrat corporate media from
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what the focus is of those propaganda efforts. They never
go back and revisit their previous doom, saying, oh, okay,
I'm sorry it wasn't as big as let me see, well,
no, no hold on, guys. As of April twenty twenty five,
the average price for a dozen grade A large eggs
in the US was five dollars and twelve cents, according
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to Bureau of Labor Statistics, seventeen point eight decrease percent
decrease from the March twenty twenty five peak of six
dollars and twenty three cents per dozen. Okay, all right,
I thought it was more than that. So it's getting
on twenty percent. Sorry, sorry, okay, well it's not sixty percent,
it's twenty percent.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
But still, well, where did I read the sixty percent thing?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
This is the problem when you you make a living
just trying to consume massive amounts of information and then
distill it into.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
The bite sized and the.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
You know, the most important nuggets. Sometimes sometimes your nuggets
get get switched up. Let me tell you don't want
to switch up your nuggets. So yeah, I think that
this is Trump once again having to deal with the administration,
having to deal with a negativity that is not really
a reflection of where the news is. The negativity flow
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is about trying to convince people things are bad. Because
things are bad, then poles start to reflect it. Poles
start to reflect it. Then they tell you things are
even worse. And if for some just let you guys know.
I'm in the middle of what is like a crazy
lightning storm right now. So if for some reason it
sounds like something has gone on here and the audio
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or to drop, just know that it's because a lightning
bolt just hit across the street from me, and it
felt like I could have reached out and touched it
practically from where I am. Anyway, just throw on that.
I feel so bad too, Ginger. I don't know what
to do with her. It's like when there's fireworks. She
hates thunder and lightning, and I can't she can hear
it anywhere in the house.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
So she sits there, her little fluffy shoulders are shaking,
and I'm trying to tell her it's okay.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
And I get it.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
If you were a dog, If you were a dog,
thunder and lightning would probably sound like the end of
the world to you, too, right, you know, even more
more more early your times in humanity, we thought it
might be the sign of something really, really bad. But
if you were a dog, I think it would freak
you out as well. So I can't be a weighted blanket.
Price Rally says for ginger weighted blanket. Maybe I'll probably
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just end up going and holding her and giving her
all kinds of treats.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
She's just milking. I should just know she's milking this
for all it's worth.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
You know, she knows that Daddy's gonna come over and
try to make her feel better, and she can make
little whimpering noises and she'll get all the treats and
all the scratches because of the big scary thunder and lightning. Anyway, Okay,
back to Scott Bessen sitting down with CBS News, is
Margaret Brennan here.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
He made this case.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I want you to hear this because she's doing the like,
isn't this bad? Aren't there bad things happening? Let's look
about the bad things happen in the economy, and Treasury
Secretary Besant is saying to her, you were just saying
something else was bad, and now we know that it wasn't.
So let's just take stock of what's really going on here.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Play two.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
We wanted to make sure that there aren't price increases, Margaret,
And thus far there have been no price increases. Everything
has been alarmist that the inflation numbers are actually dropping.
We saw the first drop of inflation in four years.
The inflation numbers last week, they were very the pro
consumer we'd see you listen.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
To earnings calls just like we do.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
You know what Walmart's saying, what Best Buy saying, and
what Target are seeing.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
But Margaret, I also know what Home Depot and Amazon
are saying. I know what the South China Morning Post
wrote within the past twenty four hours that sixty five
percent sixty five percent of the tariffs will likely be
eaten by the Chinese producers. The reality is there will
either be less inventory or things at higher prices, or
(26:42):
boths Mart, when we were here in March, you said
there's going to be big inflation. There hasn't been any inflation. Actually,
the inflation numbers are the best in four years. So
why don't we stop trying to say this could happen
and wait and see what does happen?
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Such important insight from Secretary besint here. First of all,
I love that he's holding this anchor who's really just
a commentator with the shield of a I'm an objective
news source. I'm an objective anchor. I'm just asking questions.
I like that he holds her to. You were saying
there's going to be terrible inflation. There isn't terrible inflation.
(27:20):
Now you're sitting here lecturing me the Treasury Secretary on
the what you call inevitable price increases, and how that
this is just basic economic theory, be huge price increases.
You were wrong about the other thing. Let's see if
you're wrong about this thing now. I could even take
it a step further, but I think that's such an
important point, and you know, you need to hear it.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
I need to hear it. We need to be telling
everybody about it, because their game is so clear.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
It's always, oh, this is going to be so bad
everything Trump goes to the economy, It's going to be
so bad, and it's not. And they never go back
and say, you know what, I was wrong about that.
You know what we hear at CBS News whatever, somehow
always are wrong toward the negative when it comes to Trump.
Maybe there's something else going on here. Maybe we should
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think about the possibility that this isn't just some probability
of negative coverage. It is a certainty of negative coverage
because we don't like Trump. So that's you know, this
is when you start to unpack this and you analyze it,
I think it becomes quite clear to everybody. And that's
(28:31):
what I thought Scott Beston did there that was so important.
Let's keep in mind on the stock market, there was
that moment in time when the market you had that uh,
you know a little bit of a hit a gully
maybe you could say, you know a little bit of
a of a drop down, and we were being told, oh,
he's look at Trump, He's destroying your four.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Ok He's okay, Now, stock market's up for the year.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
All you had to do is just not do anything
for the funds that you had set aside. If you
have a four to wink care or something that you've
been setting aside for years or decades, just you know,
don't do anything. That's fine. Just like we told you here,
by the way, don't don't sell off.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It's not a good idea.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
It's just a little bit of a market panic, taking
a little bit of the froth off maybe, And that
was correct, and sure enough, I mean, this is where
I say Clay needs to come on the show and
wear the Gordon Gecko suspenders and the French cuff shirts,
you know with the monogram. This is an old school
Wall Street thing, the monogram shirt, French cuff suspenders. Maybe
(29:28):
a big Cuban cigar, I said, Cuban cigars. Somebody recently,
and this was a while ago, a few months back,
a friend of mine who smoked cigars, he said, you know,
the best cigars aren't even they haven't made in Cuba
for a long time.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I had no I don't smoke cigars. I had no idea.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Apparently Dominican Republic makes much better cigars now. Producer Mike,
is that true? Do you smoke cigars? Do you know
anything about this Dominican Okay, Producer Mike knows. Yeah, Dominicans
are great. This is what people tell me. So that's
because you know, there's this old thing about all the best,
the best cigars or Cuban cigars, and you couldn't even
get them because of the embargo, and no Dominican cigars
(30:01):
are I'm told they're better now and have.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Been for a long time.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
So anyway, on the market issue and what to do,
they panicked, they freaked out, and they told us that
this is what was going to happen.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
It didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
They've cried wolf too many times on this one other thing,
one other thing. Notice how Margaret Brennan did she know that?
Did she do shows on how Joe Biden has dementia
and clearly can't be president? No, but now she's doing
shows where she's predicting the economy for us. If you
are someone who makes a living observing news and telling
(30:39):
people what's going on in the world, why would anyone
believe that you could forecast the economy when you couldn't
successfully observe Biden's dementia. I think these things tell you
a lot. I think if you couldn't get one, why
would you be able to get the other? Why would
(30:59):
you be able to figure out something far more complicated
and that normal people could get wrong? You either are
a liar or you're meaning you because you couldn't see
that Biden's you pretend you didn't see Biden's dementia, or
you are so lacking in observation and cognitive ability that
what we all knew and took for granted you in
(31:20):
the media, you Margaret Brennan, CBS, CNN all the rest
of it weren't able to pick up at all. And
I'm sorry, but I just find that too much, too
much to take and too much to ask. The Trump
economy going in here, coming into six months soon, is
going quite well, and it's going to continue, I think
(31:41):
to go quite well.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I think the big beautiful Bill is going to get past.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I think it's going to add rocket fuel to the
economy and really good things are going to be happening.
I am optimistic. I will come back and if I'm
wrong on this thing, on this stuff, unlike CBS, I'll say, wow, Okay,
I missed it. Let's look at why why did I
miss it? What did I see happening that was indicating
good things? And you know, we'll go back and try
to because we want to try to get it right
(32:04):
the next time. The point is on this show, we
try to get it right, and if we're wrong, we
tell you and we look at it and try to
get it better the next time around. You know, we
were off a little bit on our mid term prediction,
for example, and a lot of you were really I mean,
we took a beaten on that one. But that way
that we thought would be there splashed in some of
(32:25):
the wrong places for it to show up. Really in
the votetalies. We absolutely nailed the twenty twenty four election,
as you know, absolutely nail the vice presidential pick, as
you know, you know, these are things that you got
to take got to take into account. I even said
that Trump would win by more. I said it on
this show more in twenty twenty four than he did
in twenty sixteen, which ended up being true. So but
(32:50):
I'm just telling you, we try to get it right
because that's what we want, because that's the respect we
have for this audience. At CBS News, they just want
to tell people how horrible Trump is. And as long
as they're telling people Trump is horrible, right, wrong doesn't matter,
and they're going to be wrong all the time because
it's not horrible. That's their job. Their job is not accuracy.
Their job is telling smug libs at home who think
(33:11):
they're smart because they still watch Face the Nation or whatever,
tell them what they want to hear, and then forget
about it the following week. You know, like Rush used
to say, the drive by media. The reason that phrase
was so brilliant because it really captures what they do.
Margaret's a drive by. There you have it, Thank you Rush.
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Play it John here.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Charleston, South ex Navy. Most sailors send a lot of
their money back to the banks.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
And sure while they're at sea, so when they're.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Important, they usually spend everything they have, so spending like
a drunken sailor is definitely the truth. Enjoyous show face.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Look, thank you are I mean all right?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
You know some of you, some of you are saying
some things about the sailors, some of you were saying
other things. You know, my family on the I'm I'm
on my my wife's side. Three generations of navy.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
And but they're all pilots. So do I ask them
about the sailors. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
I don't want to cause controversy here, but maybe we'll
dive into it tomorrow.
Third hour of Plan Buck kicks off.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Now we're joined by oh blahoma, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen.
Senator Mark Wayne Mullen. I'm sorry, Senator Mullen. Well also correct.
Good to have you on, Senator Buck.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Thanks for having me on, and anything works. But you
don't have to call the title Mark Wayne Mullen idiot.
Full all those work. I'll enter to them all.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I believe you are an MMA fighter, so I'm going
to pass on the idiot, but I will I will
definitely keep in mind that you are not one who
standing on ceremony and formality, so thank you for that. Yeah,
but tell me this, I mean, look, we you know,
I don't know. I'm sure you know what this is like,
your United States Senator. Sometimes you get a little caught
in the crossfire on some things. On the one hand,
(00:45):
we're talking we have people from the Trump White House
on and they're talking about the big beautiful bill, the
great things that will do the boom in the economy.
They believe it will bring about take home pay for Holmes,
all that stuff. The other side, we get people we
have had your colleague, Senator Ran Paul. We've had your
colleagues Senator Ron Johnson on and they're saying, look, there's
some great stuff, but spends too much money.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Where does the big beautiful bills.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Stand now on the Senate side? Walk us through what's
going on, what you like, what maybe needs to change,
and what we should expect.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Well, first of all, I mean, this bill has been
getting negotiated since November, So this does an anything do
everybody's had I had time to put their input, and
they're going to have more time to put their input.
So I got all the respects in the world for
Ron Johnson and Rand Paul, but the truth is their
ideas are great, but it's their idea and they're going
to have to get fifty one people to agree with them.
(01:38):
And So what we've got issues here is that we
have Obama slash Biden era policies. And I mean that sincerely,
because you know, Biden is just, you know, an extension
of the Obama era of policies except worse. So you
have that's what we're currently operating nderneath. And now you
(01:59):
have the Trump policy error that's trying to come in place,
and we do that through reconciliation. We all want to
cut more spending. I mean physically, being physically responsible is
honestly what we all want to do. But the House
will cuts one point six trillion dollars from deficit spending.
And that's true deficit spending. Now, I've been up here
for way too long, serving the House for ten years
(02:21):
and now two years in the Senate, and I can
tell you every time we've always had deficit cuts, it's
always been a ten year cut. Right, It's going to
save five hundred billion over ten years, and we never
actually achieve a ten year cut. This is one point
six trillion dollars cutting immediately, so it doesn't balance a budget,
(02:42):
but it does move forward. And as we move forward
to this bill, hopefully we can even do better. Hopefully
we can get to two trillion dollars and cuts. Except
at the same time, we're trying to implement you know,
campaign promises too, and the American people want the Trump
policies that he campaigned on. In one of them is
no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, and no
(03:07):
tax on Social Security. Well that adds costs too, and
so you've got to take it in and out and reconciliation.
We can only deal with taxes and mandatory spending, not
discretionary spending. So we got a narrow window to what
we can actually work with. That's why it's called reconciliation
and requires fifty one votes. Where a budget, which we'll
(03:28):
start on, you know, the budget just I mean our
discretionary spending moving forward right after this, and that's a
sixty vote threshold. So my point that I'm trying to
get to Buck is that we have a very narrow
window that we can work with. We're going to get
all the cuts we can possibly get at the end
of the day when this bill goes to the floor.
That's one big, beautiful bill that we've been working on
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since November, and everybody's had to bringing prints on, everybody's
had an opportunity to put their input on. We're going
to put whatever is on the floor that can get
fifty one vote so we can get away from the
Biden era policies and move forward to the Trump era policies,
which is we're seeing the economy respond to already, and
we haven't passed the bill yet.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I wanted to have you react, Senator moll into what
Senator Paul says here about four Republicans who he believes
will not go along with the bill as it stands.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
This is cut three team, play it team.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I think there are four of us at this point,
and I would be very surprised if the bill at
least is not modified in a good direction. Look, I
want to vote for it. I'm for the tax cuts.
I've voted for the tax cuts before. I want the
tax cuts to be permanent. But at the same time,
I don't want to raise the debt sealing five trillion.
So I've told him, if you take the debt ceiling
off the bill, in all likelihood, I can vote for
(04:51):
what the agreement is on the rest of the bill,
and it doesn't have to be perfect to my liking.
But I can't be if I vote for the five
trillion to our debt. Who's left and watched that cares
about the debt? We will have lost that the g
people own the debt once they vote for this.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
What do you make of that Centata, Well, we're going
to have to raise the debt.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
You know. It's kind of like taking over a failing business.
Right When you take over a failing business, you don't
just start making money day one. You have to invest
in it. And that's why you bring in investors, and
investors are expecting you to get a return. And that's
what the American people did. They invested in the Republican
Party and expecting the return. But you can't just simply
turn it around. The Biden administration spent like drunken sailors.
(05:32):
You know, we had almost every almost every single agency
iner the last four years has increased from fifty to
one in in what they're receiving for their budget in
four years. So we're cutting everybody's budget and we're bringing
down the debt. But you can't just simply say that
we're going to have enough money to balance the budget immediately.
(05:53):
We're going to have to borrow more money. And I
think in two and a half maybe three years, we
can balance it. We won't have to borrow any money
if we continue down the Trump policies that he's put forth.
But you can't do it now. And so I don't
know what Ran Paul wants us to do, because we
are in debt, and the debt limit is going to
(06:13):
hit us regardless of what we do. If we pass
this bill we don't, it's going to hit us. And
so we have two choices as Republicans we can put
the debt limit increase on reconciliation and only have to
have fifty one votes, meaning that we can do this
without the Democrats' support, or we'd wait and we do
it on a budget bill, or we do it as
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a standalone and we got to have sixty. So now
we're going to have to negotiate with Chuck Schumer and
the Democrats to get them to give us seven or
maybe even more votes, and probably more than likely by
the time we negotiate with them, there's going to be
a lot of Republicans that aren't going to want to
vote for it, and so instead of just having seven,
we're going to end up having to have fifteen or
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twenty Democrats. Now can you imagine what type of deal
we'll have to strike with them, because we're going to
raise a dead limit. Regardless, we're going to raise a
dead limit. We're going to raise it. If we raise
it four point five trillion, I will be willing to
tell you buck right now, we'll have to raise it
again another two and a half trillion. And so I
feel like we should just go ahead and raise a
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dead limit enough that we know, if the numbers continue
to grow, the way they are with the GDP growing,
with the the the debt, decrease in deficit spending because
we're doing one point six off of discretionary or off
of mandatory. And then next then when we start doing
the budget bills, we can even do more off discretionary spending.
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By those two graphs, they're going to meet in about
two and a half or three years. It will be
the first time that a president has balanced the budget
since Clinton. But we're going to have to borrow the
money to get to that point. So we, like I said,
we can do it now and negotiate with Republicans only,
or we're going to do it later because there is
no B. There's either A or B because C means
(08:03):
with a fault and we're not going to default on
the money we spent. We spent it, regardless we like
it or not. We spent it, so we got to
pay it back.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Speaking in Oklahoma, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen and Senator Mullen,
you're talking about balancing the budget in the future, not
on this big beautiful but what is the is the
official what is the official name of the bill? Sorry
for the diversion, but I'm curious is it going to
be called the Big Beautiful Bill or is there some
boring DC names for it.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I'm sure we're gonna come up with some ridiculous, you know,
acronym because we love acronyms up here. But right now,
we're gonna call it what the President calls it, one
big beautiful and by the way, he just recently added glamorous,
one big beautiful, glamorous Bill. But we don't I don't
know what the acronym is.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I got you, okay, I mean I think I think
we just go with big Beautiful Bill. Personally, everybody knows
what we're talking about with that one. I think we've
been Yeah, it'll drive the it'll drive the Democrats completely insane,
which makes it even more fun and more worthwhile right
in and of itself. But for those who because look,
I get people who call in or write in and
they're they're upset, and they start to say things like
(09:08):
we're just never actually going to deal with the debt
and all this talk about dealing with the debt is
is hot air. What do you say to them, I mean,
at what point do we start to take the debt?
Is it realistic that within the Trump administration at some
point we can actually start to take the thirty six
trillion dollar debt in the other direction.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Or is that just is the best.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
We can hope for slowing the increase over time, maybe
balancing it here and there.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
No.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I think we can reverse it, but it takes it
takes three things to happen. For that to happen. One,
we've got to have sound policy that the economy will
respond to. I mean, we got to have sound policy.
We're economy who's going to respond to. Two we've got
to have accurate policies that that will drive innovation.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
And then number three.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
The.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Politicians us we have to be responsible with the taxpayer dollars.
And if you do those, then economy and the spending
levels will eventually touch each other and will surpass them.
If the GDP can grow right around three percent and
we can hold spending at its current level after we
(10:24):
do the reconciliation, just by doing that and not doing
additional cuts, which we will do additional cuts, but if
we just do those, most economics will tell you that
the lines will touch in two and a half or
three years, depending on the investment and how much we have.
We see that inflation is down to two point one
percent already. That's huge. Right. When we see the taxes
(10:46):
become permanent, and then we see R and D, which
will hopefully become permanent, Research and developmentill come permanent where
they can actually write that off. You're going to see
that that technology filled increase here and you're going to
see the growth begin, which is exactly what you do
with the business. Right You take out debt for potential
(11:07):
earnings because you have a business plan, you borrow on it.
The bank borrows the less you borrow the money because
they see your business plan and they know that your
growth is going to eventually surpass enough to be able
to pay you off a debt. That's what third gamble is, Well,
we feel like we're trying to operate like a business
because we have a business guy in office, not just
myself but the President Trump himself, and we're taking a
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business approach to it. We know we can't just simply
cut it off right now, which we are. We'd love to,
but we just can't find enough to cut all the
programs in this short period of time. The more we
dig into them, the more DOGE continues to dive in,
the more we continue to dive in and see all
the waste and fraud that has been taking place in
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the government, the more we'll continue to cut and I
feel this will. I mean it sincerely. This is the
first time that I've ever been up here that I
feel very, very confident that we will balance a budget.
And the Presidence made it his plan that that's what
he wants when he's sat down and talked to us,
especially those that have a relationship with him. This is
(12:14):
this is part of his make America great again. That
he understands how to make money, but he also understands
debt and how it works.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Senator, before we let you go and take a hard
turn here into just curiosity ville, you were an MMA
fighter for how many years?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Well I fought for three years, but before that we
were you know, we weren't considered professionals, right, so there
is additional fights too. But you know, I wasn't as
good as a lot of these other guys out there
that everybody knows.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Who do you think is the best of all time?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Taking punch?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
You know, because because you've been in that arena, literally
inside that cage, right, who do you think is the
best all time?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I'm just curious boy.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Well you got to go way back. You got to
talk about John Jones. John Jones is just even though
he's had personal issues, the guy has just been a
beast and U people call him the goat just because
he's had, you know, uh some issues. I still think
the guy was just the most dangerous man that stepped
in the ring. I mean, the guy is just a stud.
(13:17):
But when he was started looking at some of these
old school guys, ready couldture for instance instance, I mean,
here this guy comes in, he wins uh you know, uh,
he wins two different divisions as a world titles for
the USC. I think he ended up winning five total altogether.
I'm trying to pull that off top of my head.
Rady's ACTU friend of mine. He's gonna be upset that
(13:38):
I can't remember his record. But the guy was just
absolutely unbelievable. He came in and made some fights and
fought up on up up weights that most people didn't
expect him to be able to do. He embarrassed Ken
Shan Rock and very expected butt and and Ken is
the guy that I trained with some so and and
(13:59):
he just there just a whole host. It just spends
on the year that you want to get to, right,
you can. There's a whole bunch of guys that's come
in there. Daniel Cormy uh DC, which people have talked about.
Everybody underestimated him, and he did. He did just phenomenal
work in there, and he didn't look like he ever
belonged in in the division. But you got at one
(14:20):
time you had a big rig was the name Johnny
Hendricks who was walking through everybody right uh and and
at that at that time. But now could he compete
with the days fighters? That's what The days fighters are
so much better talent than we ever were back then
we're just a bunch of bankers. Now, these guys they've
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Speaker 2 (14:44):
One more lightning round, quick, just quick for kind of
related best martial arts movie of all time in your mind,
blood Sport, that is the correct answer. All right, he
got it, Senator Mark Wayne mull and everybody. Senator, appreciate
you making the time come back.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
To all right, see you by the.
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We were just talking to Senator a moment about the
big beautiful bill. Jim Jordan over on the House side
had this to say about it. Astute observation play clip four.
I said this on the House floor. You know it's
a good bill because the left hates it.
Speaker 8 (16:38):
And the left hates it because it has core common
sense Republican principles in it. It cuts taxes, it secures
the border. It says if you're an able bodied adult
and you're getting welfare, you're going to have to work.
And it says to moms and dad's we got school
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sense conservative principles. That's why the left doesn't like it.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Let's take a call from Andy and Austin, Texas. What's
going on? Andy?
Speaker 6 (17:04):
Hey, I think our politicians have demonstrated today are unwilling, unable,
and will never ever.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Get us to a balanced budget.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
I appreciate the senator's comments there, but we have a
thirty seven trillion dollar debt and the tax code that
we have in place right now is not going to
allow us. It's not the instrument is not being used
to raise the revenues that we need to pay our bills.
So we have got to change our tax code.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
We have got to repeal the.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
Sixteenth Amendment, and we've got to get rid of every
every tax that the government collects right now and replace
it with a twenty two five. It's a twenty five
one quarter of one percent fully funds our government with
a one point seven trillion dollar surplus, and that means
twenty five cents.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Per one hundred bucks.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
But that means everybody pays tax one hundred percent of
our economy's tax at one quarter of one percent. Everybody.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
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Speaker 1 (19:01):
Two two eight A two US call. Let's chat. Whatever
you have top.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Of mind we can dive into together. We can also
take a quick VIP email here rights in uh let
me see who is this David in Long Beach, California.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Rights.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Why are we sailors always the ones getting called big spenders?
The worst spenders are drunken Marxists. Leave US sailors out
of it. By the way, a great interview with Senator
Mark Wayn mullen. He laid it out correctly with the
debt ceiling and fellow Republicans. So it can either be
just among Republicans or they can work with Schumer and
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his band of drunken Marxists, which will be a better
deal rammed. So David taking that position there and agreeing
with Senator Mark Wayn Mullen, and I would say on
the sailors thing, I don't I don't know why. I guess, Look,
we all understand, right, it's it's sailors. They're out, it's
and they get into port and they want to party
a little bit, right, so that's you know, But they
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do they spend too much?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I don't know. Maybe maybe they don't.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Maybe they're pretty fastidious with their paycheck when they get
into port. I couldn't speak from any particular knowledge on
this issue. Are there any different than anybody else on
pay day who hasn't been able to get off base
for a while though we're looking at the military side
of things.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I have a feeling the army guys when it's paid
a probably get off base and have some fun too.
I'm just I'm guessing. I'm guessing I don't know the
CIA when it's paid a we sit around drinking frappuccinos
and talking about the latest Vanity Fair spread, and you know,
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SEEI is a little bit of a different culture internally.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
So yeah, well we'll get into it.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Let's get also here the sit down that a CBS
News is Margaret Brennan. I have to say, she looks perpetually,
deeply unhappy, which maybe she's a Democrat, so that might
explain it, but she just gives off the It's like
she's sitting there and it's just sour lemons that she's
having to deal with all the time. And Scott Bessen,
(21:13):
who seems like a very very smart and very reasonable guy,
sat down with her, and I really appreciated this because
you'll notice, guys, can you tell me what the price
of eggs is down?
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Now?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I think the price of eggs is down like sixty
six percent is what I saw this morning when I
was doing my reading for the show. Some like remarkable number.
And it's only June, right, so Trump's been in office
less than six months. Price of eggs way down because
I remember when the price of eggs was a news
story that we all had to be fixated on for
(21:48):
days because Trump said he would bring down the price
of eggs, and he hasn't brought down the price of eggs. Well,
I mean, he's been in office for maybe a few weeks.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
At that point.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
It seems a little unreasonable, doesn't it. And as I've said,
I do believe that one of the only bad side
effects of only costs of Trump securing the border so
quickly is now we're a little spoiled and we have
the sense that all these things can be done as
quickly as they secure the border, which unfortunately is not true.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
It's just impossible. But it is happening.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
It is in progress, and so we'll give you an
update on the price of eggs. But the same people
who are saying the tariffs are going to destroy everything,
they're trying to create the perception of a bad economy
and out of control Trump problems, problems, problems, and they
just keep shifting over in the Democrat corporate media from
(22:46):
what the focus is of those propaganda efforts. They never
go back and revisit their previous doom, saying, oh, okay,
I'm sorry it wasn't as big as let me see, well,
no, no hold on, guys. As of April twenty twenty five,
the average price for a dozen grade A large eggs
in the US was five dollars and twelve cents, according
(23:09):
to Bureau of Labor Statistics, seventeen point eight decrease percent
decrease from the March twenty twenty five peak of six
dollars and twenty three cents per dozen. Okay, all right,
I thought it was more than that. So it's getting
on twenty percent. Sorry, sorry, okay, well it's not sixty percent,
it's twenty percent.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
But still, well, where did I read the sixty percent thing?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
This is the problem when you you make a living
just trying to consume massive amounts of information and then
distill it into.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
The bite sized and the.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
You know, the most important nuggets. Sometimes sometimes your nuggets
get get switched up. Let me tell you don't want
to switch up your nuggets. So yeah, I think that
this is Trump once again having to deal with the administration,
having to deal with a negativity that is not really
a reflection of where the news is. The negativity flow
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is about trying to convince people things are bad. Because
things are bad, then poles start to reflect it. Poles
start to reflect it. Then they tell you things are
even worse. And if for some just let you guys know.
I'm in the middle of what is like a crazy
lightning storm right now. So if for some reason it
sounds like something has gone on here and the audio
(24:23):
or to drop, just know that it's because a lightning
bolt just hit across the street from me, and it
felt like I could have reached out and touched it
practically from where I am. Anyway, just throw on that.
I feel so bad too, Ginger. I don't know what
to do with her. It's like when there's fireworks. She
hates thunder and lightning, and I can't she can hear
it anywhere in the house.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
So she sits there, her little fluffy shoulders are shaking,
and I'm trying to tell her it's okay.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
And I get it.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
If you were a dog, If you were a dog,
thunder and lightning would probably sound like the end of
the world to you, too, right, you know, even more
more more early your times in humanity, we thought it
might be the sign of something really, really bad. But
if you were a dog, I think it would freak
you out as well. So I can't be a weighted blanket.
Price Rally says for ginger weighted blanket. Maybe I'll probably
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just end up going and holding her and giving her
all kinds of treats.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
She's just milking. I should just know she's milking this
for all it's worth.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
You know, she knows that Daddy's gonna come over and
try to make her feel better, and she can make
little whimpering noises and she'll get all the treats and
all the scratches because of the big scary thunder and lightning. Anyway, Okay,
back to Scott Bessen sitting down with CBS News, is
Margaret Brennan here.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
He made this case.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I want you to hear this because she's doing the like,
isn't this bad? Aren't there bad things happening? Let's look
about the bad things happen in the economy, and Treasury
Secretary Besant is saying to her, you were just saying
something else was bad, and now we know that it wasn't.
So let's just take stock of what's really going on here.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Play two.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
We wanted to make sure that there aren't price increases, Margaret,
And thus far there have been no price increases. Everything
has been alarmist that the inflation numbers are actually dropping.
We saw the first drop of inflation in four years.
The inflation numbers last week, they were very the pro
consumer we'd see you listen.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
To earnings calls just like we do.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
You know what Walmart's saying, what Best Buy saying, and
what Target are seeing.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
But Margaret, I also know what Home Depot and Amazon
are saying. I know what the South China Morning Post
wrote within the past twenty four hours that sixty five
percent sixty five percent of the tariffs will likely be
eaten by the Chinese producers. The reality is there will
either be less inventory or things at higher prices, or
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boths Mart, when we were here in March, you said
there's going to be big inflation. There hasn't been any inflation. Actually,
the inflation numbers are the best in four years. So
why don't we stop trying to say this could happen
and wait and see what does happen?
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Such important insight from Secretary besint here. First of all,
I love that he's holding this anchor who's really just
a commentator with the shield of a I'm an objective
news source. I'm an objective anchor. I'm just asking questions.
I like that he holds her to. You were saying
there's going to be terrible inflation. There isn't terrible inflation.
(27:20):
Now you're sitting here lecturing me the Treasury Secretary on
the what you call inevitable price increases, and how that
this is just basic economic theory, be huge price increases.
You were wrong about the other thing. Let's see if
you're wrong about this thing now. I could even take
it a step further, but I think that's such an
important point, and you know, you need to hear it.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
I need to hear it. We need to be telling
everybody about it, because their game is so clear.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
It's always, oh, this is going to be so bad
everything Trump goes to the economy, It's going to be
so bad, and it's not. And they never go back
and say, you know what, I was wrong about that.
You know what we hear at CBS News whatever, somehow
always are wrong toward the negative when it comes to Trump.
Maybe there's something else going on here. Maybe we should
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think about the possibility that this isn't just some probability
of negative coverage. It is a certainty of negative coverage
because we don't like Trump. So that's you know, this
is when you start to unpack this and you analyze it,
I think it becomes quite clear to everybody. And that's
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what I thought Scott Beston did there that was so important.
Let's keep in mind on the stock market, there was
that moment in time when the market you had that uh,
you know a little bit of a hit a gully
maybe you could say, you know a little bit of
a of a drop down, and we were being told, oh,
he's look at Trump, He's destroying your four.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Ok He's okay, Now, stock market's up for the year.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
All you had to do is just not do anything
for the funds that you had set aside. If you
have a four to wink care or something that you've
been setting aside for years or decades, just you know,
don't do anything. That's fine. Just like we told you here,
by the way, don't don't sell off.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It's not a good idea.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
It's just a little bit of a market panic, taking
a little bit of the froth off maybe, And that
was correct, and sure enough, I mean, this is where
I say Clay needs to come on the show and
wear the Gordon Gecko suspenders and the French cuff shirts,
you know with the monogram. This is an old school
Wall Street thing, the monogram shirt, French cuff suspenders. Maybe
(29:28):
a big Cuban cigar, I said, Cuban cigars. Somebody recently,
and this was a while ago, a few months back,
a friend of mine who smoked cigars, he said, you know,
the best cigars aren't even they haven't made in Cuba
for a long time.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I had no I don't smoke cigars. I had no idea.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Apparently Dominican Republic makes much better cigars now. Producer Mike,
is that true? Do you smoke cigars? Do you know
anything about this Dominican Okay, Producer Mike knows. Yeah, Dominicans
are great. This is what people tell me. So that's
because you know, there's this old thing about all the best,
the best cigars or Cuban cigars, and you couldn't even
get them because of the embargo, and no Dominican cigars
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are I'm told they're better now and have.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Been for a long time.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
So anyway, on the market issue and what to do,
they panicked, they freaked out, and they told us that
this is what was going to happen.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
It didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
They've cried wolf too many times on this one other thing,
one other thing. Notice how Margaret Brennan did she know that?
Did she do shows on how Joe Biden has dementia
and clearly can't be president? No, but now she's doing
shows where she's predicting the economy for us. If you
are someone who makes a living observing news and telling
(30:39):
people what's going on in the world, why would anyone
believe that you could forecast the economy when you couldn't
successfully observe Biden's dementia. I think these things tell you
a lot. I think if you couldn't get one, why
would you be able to get the other? Why would
(30:59):
you be able to figure out something far more complicated
and that normal people could get wrong? You either are
a liar or you're meaning you because you couldn't see
that Biden's you pretend you didn't see Biden's dementia, or
you are so lacking in observation and cognitive ability that
what we all knew and took for granted you in
(31:20):
the media, you Margaret Brennan, CBS, CNN all the rest
of it weren't able to pick up at all. And
I'm sorry, but I just find that too much, too
much to take and too much to ask. The Trump
economy going in here, coming into six months soon, is
going quite well, and it's going to continue, I think
(31:41):
to go quite well.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I think the big beautiful Bill is going to get past.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I think it's going to add rocket fuel to the
economy and really good things are going to be happening.
I am optimistic. I will come back and if I'm
wrong on this thing, on this stuff, unlike CBS, I'll say, wow, Okay,
I missed it. Let's look at why why did I
miss it? What did I see happening that was indicating
good things? And you know, we'll go back and try
to because we want to try to get it right
(32:04):
the next time. The point is on this show, we
try to get it right, and if we're wrong, we
tell you and we look at it and try to
get it better the next time around. You know, we
were off a little bit on our mid term prediction,
for example, and a lot of you were really I mean,
we took a beaten on that one. But that way
that we thought would be there splashed in some of
(32:25):
the wrong places for it to show up. Really in
the votetalies. We absolutely nailed the twenty twenty four election,
as you know, absolutely nail the vice presidential pick, as
you know, you know, these are things that you got
to take got to take into account. I even said
that Trump would win by more. I said it on
this show more in twenty twenty four than he did
in twenty sixteen, which ended up being true. So but
(32:50):
I'm just telling you, we try to get it right
because that's what we want, because that's the respect we
have for this audience. At CBS News, they just want
to tell people how horrible Trump is. And as long
as they're telling people Trump is horrible, right, wrong doesn't matter,
and they're going to be wrong all the time because
it's not horrible. That's their job. Their job is not accuracy.
Their job is telling smug libs at home who think
(33:11):
they're smart because they still watch Face the Nation or whatever,
tell them what they want to hear, and then forget
about it the following week. You know, like Rush used
to say, the drive by media. The reason that phrase
was so brilliant because it really captures what they do.
Margaret's a drive by. There you have it, Thank you Rush.
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Let's see, we have D. D. John from Charleston, South Carolina.
(35:57):
Play it John here.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Charleston, South ex Navy. Most sailors send a lot of
their money back to the banks.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
And sure while they're at sea, so when they're.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Important, they usually spend everything they have, so spending like
a drunken sailor is definitely the truth. Enjoyous show face.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Look, thank you are I mean all right?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
You know some of you, some of you are saying
some things about the sailors, some of you were saying
other things. You know, my family on the I'm I'm
on my my wife's side. Three generations of navy.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
And but they're all pilots. So do I ask them
about the sailors. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
I don't want to cause controversy here, but maybe we'll
dive into it tomorrow.
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