August 25, 2025 • 36 mins
In Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the hosts dive into a politically charged discussion surrounding the Smithsonian Institution, museum exhibits, and the broader cultural battle over American history and identity. The episode centers on the Trump administration’s directive to review exhibitions at eight Smithsonian museums, aiming to ensure alignment with American ideals and push back against what it calls the “last remaining segment of woke” ideology.
The hosts critique specific exhibits, including those focused on LGBTQ+ history, immigration, and Anthony Fauci, arguing that these displays reflect a left-wing narrative that emphasizes oppression and victimization over national achievement. They contrast this with the National Air and Space Museum, which they praise for celebrating American innovation in flight and space exploration.
A major theme is the 1619 Project, which the hosts claim reframes U.S. history around slavery, undermining foundational documents like the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. They argue that 600,000+ Civil War deaths should be recognized as a sacrifice to end slavery, and that museums should inspire pride, not shame.
The episode also explores Trump’s proposed executive order to criminalize flag burning, sparking a debate over First Amendment rights, symbolic speech, and hate crime legislation. The hosts criticize what they see as selective enforcement, where burning a Pride flag may result in prosecution, but burning an American flag is protected.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, third hour of Clay and Buck starts right now.
Thanks for being with us, everybody, and as promised, we
have this discussion that has gotten a lot of attention
in the press. I think a lot less attention just
from Main Street, from everyone all across the country trying
to keep up with the news. This has to do
(00:22):
with the Smithsonian specifically, but really museums more broadly, which
especially when you're talking about DC museums like the National
Portrait Gallery and have been filled with clay. What have
you been to any of these museums in recent years?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I have gone with you. I have not, so so
this is what got me blown up by the left.
When we were up in DC, my son was doing
a two weekend internship. He is incredibly fascinated with space travel,
with science, with all of the sci fi related elements,
(01:06):
so I took him to the National Air and Space Museum.
So I was just up at the National Air and
Space Museum a couple of months ago when we were
in DC, and it was fantastic. And now back to
you on talking about the Smithsonian. But I will come
back and tell you exactly what my take was on it.
(01:26):
But you lived in DC these are all free. I imagine,
what percentage of the audience do you think out there
right now has ever been to a Smithsonian museum. If
you went to d C, you have been to a
Smithsonian museum. So I would think at least half of
the people listening to us right now, he's.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Gonna say twenty five percent. But a big chunk, A
big chunk. I grew up in New York City and
I've never been to the Statue of Liberty, So I mean,
you know, sometimes crazy things happen, But I feel like.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
If you went to d C on a school trip
or you took your family at any point in your life,
I would venture most people who go to Washington, d
C have been to at least one of the Smithsonians. Now,
has it been a while for me other than air
and space, Yes, But I think set the table for
what President Trump has said, and.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
This is where it all started. Let's let's uh, let's
gather together on this one here for a second. Trump
White House has called for a review of all current
and future exhibitions at eight Smithsonian museums. This has got
some of the major art museums involved as well. And
(02:34):
this is because of quote a desired or the quote
starts with alignment with American ideals, a desire to make
sure they're aligned with American ideals. President Trump truthed the following.
The museums throughout Washington but all over the country are
essentially the last remaining segment of woke. And there then
(02:56):
the White House released a list of US of ZEM
exhibits that it found objectionable. Trump has told his lawyers
to go through museums and this is the same thing
to earth with colleges and the universities. His administration has
sought changes, threatening funding cuts and even tax exempt status.
(03:16):
So the left is of course very upset about this.
And the reason they're very upset about this is that
they want these institutions to reflect their view.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Remember there's no neutral space here. They want these to
reflect their view of American history, which means highlighting oppressed
and victimized people and more specifically, highlighting the centerpiece of
American history until the Industrial Revolution, Clay, and the one
(03:47):
and only thing that we're allowed to really think a
lot about is slavery. And that is the most the
single central, most important to highlight aspect of American history.
According to some of these museums, and there's a fight underway.
And I think this, I think this is a good thing.
I think that Trump should not allow the left wing
(04:08):
nonsense to go without pushback at this. A traveling exhibition
at the museum at the Scottsdale Museum of Contemporary Art
in Arizona, Clay was called trans Feminisms. This has and
now they have changed. So so we're talking about some
pretty radical left wing stuff at museums in general, but
(04:29):
at our National Museum, Smithsonian Museum specifically. Here's a couple
of headlines for you, for yours truly, after the take
that I'm about to share with you. Fox News pundit
compare slavery to plane crashes in absurd rant against the Smithsonian.
Some of you may have seen this, by the way,
seen the actual event going on Yahoo Sports with Yahoo
(04:55):
Sorry regular with a similar take saying not a substantial
part of history. The Fox News pundit compare slavery to
plane crashes. Let's see Yahoo says, Fox News pundit compare
slavery to plane crashes and absurd rant against the Smithsonian.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yahoo.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
All right, here's what I said, and I bet you're
going to sign off on this too. Maybe some of
you disagree, I said, citing my trip to the Air
and Space Museum with my seventeen year old, I said
that when you go to the Air and Space Museum,
it is about the incredible human accomplishment of flight and
space exploration.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
We went through that whole place.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Spirit of Saint Louis front hanging from the ceiling, so
many different The Right Brothers plane from Kitty Hawk is there,
recreated the original, one of the original versions.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
We spent an entire day there. It was awesome. We
went to the Imax theater.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
We watched the movies that they were putting on there,
one about some of the challenges of space and time,
the other about the challenges associated If I remember correctly
with interstellar travel, right, I mean it is sci fi,
it is history of flight and space exploration. There wasn't
(06:20):
a single exhibit about plane crashes or about people who
died trying to go to space. That doesn't mean that
plane crashes don't happen all the time, and that there
aren't dangers from aviation and space travel. And maybe at
some point in time they have a special exhibit for
the challenger, or they have a special exhibit maybe connected
(06:41):
to nine to eleven in some way. I don't know
if they've ever done that, but in general, I think
the goal of the Smithsonians is to make people feel
better about America and American life and to leave with
an uplifting feeling. Now, there are other musings in Washington,
(07:01):
DC that are directly related to specific forms of trauma,
the Holocaust Museum, for instance, but by and large, to me,
sites like the Air and Space Museum should not be
places where you go and examine human failure and the
wrongs that have been perpetrated that have led to lack
(07:24):
of success in space travel or flight. To me, that's
a very i think, easy to understand and also normal
emotional response that most people would have. And so Trump
is focused on the achievement, and much of the left
now is focused on American failure, and that's really what
this conversation is about.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
The administration highlighted a number of specific exhibits. I was
looking for this a second ago, but I found it,
and I can go through just a few of these.
So there was a exhibit on LGBTQ plus history at
the American History Museum.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, LGBTQ that's not I would not sign off on
that in the American History Museum personally, like, I don't
think that is necessary.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Well, I mean the history of LGBTQ plus it's got
to go back only a couple of years because they
just came up with that acronym a few years ago.
I mean the plus was just added. So this is
very new. This is this is really contemporary, not not
actually history. And then you had this is the one
that I think got the most attention from people, a
painting of immigrants crossing the Southern border at the National
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Portrait Gallery. So it's a very favorable depiction of an
immigrant family and you know, a baby that like it
looks like the baby Jesus or something that is crossing
Trump's wall. And they didn't, you know, they don't like that.
You know, by the way, that's illegal. What they're doing
is a crime. So it's interesting the way it's to
(08:59):
pick it. It's actually but the way it's depicted, it's
like a great you know, leap forward in America's America's
history or its past whatever.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
There's a bunch of other ones, Latinos with disabilities, a
drawing of Anthony Fauci at the National Portrait Gallery. Fauci is, Yeah,
Fauci's a scumbag, so that's not good.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
So they I agree.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I mean, I think this stuff is all very political.
You know, I imagine if you had had at the
National Portrait Gallery they were putting up you know, they're
putting up paintings of like what a terrible dementia pation
Biden was and having them look really confused. I mean,
you might say that's a great painting book. I should
do that, but people would recognize that it's very partisan play.
These are very partisan things that are going up in
(09:43):
these museums.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, and again, I think the idea is and I
think most of you would sign off on this. One
reason that democrats popularity is in the tank is because
they focus on the failures.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Of America almost exclu usively.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
They've got the Oppression Olympics all the time, the idea
that you cannot succeed, that America is a horribly racist,
irredeemable country with a sordid past. I mean, really the
entire concept of the sixteen nineteen project, which The New
York Times got behind, among others. Nicole Hannah Jones I
(10:23):
believe was the history. I'm putting in quotation marks because
she's not actually much of a historian. But the idea
of the sixteen nineteen project was America's founding date is
actually when slavery began in the colonies, and not seventeen
seventy six, when America declared independence from Great Britain. And
so if you root American history and define it entirely
(10:47):
based on slavery, then you are able. This is the
goal to tear down anything that was created in that
era as illegitimate and depressive. So the Constitution doesn't have
to exist, the Declaration of Independence can be removed, All
of that can be torn down. If you decide to
only focus on the sins of American history, what I
(11:10):
would say is six hundred thousand some odd people died
to win slavery. That seems pretty significant in the general
American consciousness. We should focus and celebrate successes over failures.
I think that's what our museum should do.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, if you're talking about combat fatalities in the Civil War,
overwhelmingly it was white men who died on both sides,
but white men who died on both sides, and it
was their price in blood that ended the institution of slavery,
which that always seems to get left out of this. Yes,
(11:46):
you know, that always seems to be left out of
the conversation. And there's a hatred I think of americanness
that the left indulges and really wants to propagate. And
we see it at the universities, and now we see
it through the and we saw it there with the
sixteen nineteen project the New York Times, and now we
see it through the institutions of museums. And enough is enough.
(12:08):
Let me ask you this claim, what other country would do?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
This?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Find to me another country? I mean, the only thing
you could maybe think of would be, you know, German
museums about Nazism, or you know the way that Nazis
are treated in German museums of World War Two. But
this idea that you're gonna have museums that seek within
a country, that seek to attack and undermine the country
from within, this is this is not a common thing
(12:34):
that the rest of the world would engage in.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
I think that's true.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
And I also believe that what Trump sees is the
symbolism of tearing down statues isn't really about those individuals
who are having their statues torn down. It's an argument
that the story of American history is one of tragedy
and one that we should be saddened by and embarrassed by.
(13:00):
And I think most of you out there that our
students of history recognize that all of us are flawed,
but that what we want to do is celebrate the
great moments of American triumph while acknowledging that we don't
always make the right decisions. The long range history of
America from its inception in seventeen seventy six to the
present day is one of the greatest country in the
(13:23):
history of the world, struggling, fighting, endeavoring to become greater
than it has been in the past. And that's why
I think Make America Great Again has such a cultural resonance,
because it's about making us all better than we have
been in the past and also returning us to some
of the principles that made us so foundationally dominant. And
(13:46):
it would make sense that you would then examine history
to see what our kids are being taught, because if
they're being taught that America is a profoundly racist, awful,
oppressive country, then it's hard to have pride in the country.
And guess what, young people don't have a lot of
pride in the country. And when you don't have pride
in place, you're able to be led astray, and you're
able to reject the history of this country and all
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Speaker 2 (15:57):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sex Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We have got a
absolute bundle of you giving us tons of different feedback
and UH, let me play a couple of these for you,
by the way, because Trump has been talking to media
all day and I want to make sure that we
(16:18):
are giving you enough of what he is saying.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
In there.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Here is Trump on the John Bolton and mare A
Lago raids while he's meeting with the president of South Korea.
Cut thirty four.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
More raids like the John Bolden's house coming more raids.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
You'd have to ask the Department of Justice.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
They raided my house.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I can tell you that they did a big rate
in my house.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
They took away everything that wasn't pin down, and they
took away some of that too. Uh No, they rated
mar A Lago.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
They started that there.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I don't know if these were bad people that we
had in our government before they raided mar A Lago.
They went into my wife's area, they went into my
son's are and my young son, and what they did
was a disgrace. But how did it work out where
I see where in the I guess it didn't work
(17:09):
out too well for him, did it.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
And here's one more buck. Here is South Korean President
Meung with via a translator. Cut thirty three. Truthly, there
is a fact finding investigation. I have a special prosecutor
that was appointed by the National Assembly, and this special pleas.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
Name deranged Jack, the chi from our country. The deranged
is a deranged individual. I'm only kidding. Maybe I'm not.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
So Trump feeling the ease there with South Korea's president.
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Speaker 1 (18:55):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. As we said,
Trump had a meeting today with the pre KOREEA and
also was just in the Oval Office addressing a whole
range of issues. One thing that came up. I didn't
know this was going to happen. I'm sure Trump had
probably tweeted or spoken about it recently, but truth about it.
Recently he spoke about the Executive Order on burning flags.
(19:20):
This is cut to listen in.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
What the penalty is going to be. If you burn
a flag, you get one year in jail, no early exits,
no nothing. You get one year in jail. If you
burn a flag, you get And what it does is
insight to write. I hope they used that language. By
the way, did that insight to riot? And you burn
a flag you get one year in jail. You don't
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get ten years, you don't get one month. You get
one year in jail, and it goes on your record,
and you will see flag burning stopping immediately. Just like
when I said the Statute and Monument Act, ten years
in jail, if you heard any of our beautiful monuments,
everybody left town. They were got never had a problem
after that. It's pretty amazing we stopped it. But this
(20:04):
is something that's I don't know, in a certain way,
it's equally as important. Some people say it's more important.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Okay, Clay, I know you want to dive in on
this one. And there's there's a lot too, a lot
to chew on with this. There is the Texas v.
Johnson nineteen eighty nine Supreme Court case that said that
this is a that flagbirning is a legal act. So
the Supreme Court weighed in on this very clearly. I mean,
they've said that this is this is legal, So I don't.
And then there's the issue of the executive order instead
(20:34):
of a congressional act to pass a statute. Right, executive
orders are not supposed to be in place of laws.
It's supposed to be the use of executive authority that
either resides with the president or given to the president
buy an act of Congress, so that may be a challenge.
I'm sure you got some other ideas on that one too.
One thing I would say though about this, I don't
think this is going to last, meaning I don't think
(20:56):
that this is going to make its way into policy
without the courts stepping in. And I think I think
he would lose at the Supreme Court on this too.
I just if it went to the current Supreme Court,
I don't think that he would get a different result personally.
Maybe I could be wrong, and maybe that's where this
ends up going at some point. But Clay, the other
(21:17):
thing is this, we live in a country where burning
burning some flags will get you sent to prison because
they say it's hate speech.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
That is wrong.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
It is part of the left wing DEI communists reordering
of our society. And whether it's a you know, an
LGBTQ mural on a street that you're not allowed to
drive too fast over, or it's a trans flag somewhere,
either flag burning is a legal act of protected symbolic
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speech or it is not. We cannot have a society
where we pick and choose. We cannot have oh you know,
you like this on fire, you go to prison. But
you like that on fire again as symbolism, and there's
no big you know, like the American flag on fire,
no big deal.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Look, I disagree with the President on this. I don't
think he has the constitutional authority to do it. I
understand the intent, but the Supreme Court has said you
can burn flags and American flags, and I think you
should be able to burn gay Pride flags. I think
(22:26):
you should be able to burn trans celebration flags, state flags.
I wouldn't do it personally because I don't believe in
it on an individual level, but I believe that you
should have the right to make this statement, and so
as a First Amendment absolutist, I think the President is
(22:48):
wrong on this one. I don't think he has the
authority to do it with the executive order. Again, I
understand the intent, and I understand that it feels awful
to see someone burning the America can flag. That doesn't
mean that I believe that should be considered a crime. Now,
there are exceptions, right if the President did reference, Hey,
(23:10):
if you're trying to create a riotous environment, there are
context in which if you take somebody else's flag, right
yank it out of their hand and burn it. That
is different than purchasing a flag yourself and choosing to
burn it. But the Supreme Court has been pretty clear
on this. I think that this is a protected speech.
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It is political speech, whether you agree with it or not.
And so look, I think if you remember producer Greg
probably remember his name. I think one of the great
iconic moments in was it Rick Monday. I think in
American sports is when a fan ran on the field
at Yankee Stadium and tried to burn a flag, and
(23:54):
Rick Monday, I believe, the center fielder for the Yankees,
ran and yanked the flag away before he could burn it.
I applaud that. I think that remember when we outside
Union Station we played audio there was a guy who
saw flag burning and he grabbed it and ran with
it to try to prevent the flag from being burned.
I salute the bravery and patriotism in my opinion, for
(24:17):
that occurring. Well, but again, I don't think the president
has the right to do it, and I don't think
we should ban flag burning.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
That though, then brings me to the hate speech thing,
which is just an end run on this, and you
have to be very careful with the left in this.
So I know you're allowed. For example, you're allowed to
burn a Pride flag. No, actually you're really not, because
if you burn the flag and there's any other violation
of statute. Let's say you take a flag off of
a poll and it's not yours, or you know, you've
(24:47):
created an incendiary device in a public square, or so
they'll they'll find some way and then they hit you
with a hate crime enhancement. And let me just say,
I think hate crimes I don't view I think hate
crimes are effectively the enhancements you get from hate crimes
just comes from some people are considered to be a
(25:08):
higher status of victim than others for the same conduct
or the same act. So in principle, disagree with with
hate crime enhancements. You know, obviously I don't like hate crimes.
But that's that's not the same thing as saying, you know,
you've got these people that have been arrested for example,
for for like leaving a skid mark on a street
because there's a Pride mural there.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
It's a street.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, people can drive on a street, and are you
get do you get arrested for driving too fast in
another intersection and leaving some marks on something. No, then
you shouldn't be arrested for this. They play these games
they want they want the law to protect certain classes
and that includes certain flag burning situations. And that has
to stop. That has to be there. You know that
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the Supreme Court I think should take that up too
and just say, look, you can't play these games anymore
where you have an end run on the right to
burn flags, or you know, you have the sort of
backdoor way of really punishing some people and then everything else.
The American flag, it's all this is completely fine to burn,
burn as many as you want. So man, I remember
there was people still think this is crazy when I
(26:15):
say it. There were students who held a flag burning
on my campus in college after nine to eleven Clay Yeah,
a a you know about I don't know, maybe eight
students or something. They were actually not from my college.
This came out later. They were from Hampshire down the road.
But Hampshire is such a I'm just being honest, an
unseerious academic institution, top to bottom, just the truth, just
(26:35):
facts that they came to AMers because they thought it
would get the more attention, and it did. Boston Globe
wrote it up, but you know that mentality was there.
It was, oh, we're still burying people from nine to
eleven or still finding out you know, if anyone's where
people's remains are, let's have a big flag burning on campus.
So you know, I understand very much how it upsets
people and how it's it's a I'm with you in that,
(26:59):
I strong disagree with it.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I think the president doesn't have the authority here, and
I don't see how I don't even have the authority.
I don't even think it's a good idea to try
to start to make these designations. Again, I think you
should be able to burn legally the American flag, the
Israeli fat the flag, the Palestinian flag, any sort of
flag that has to do with any statement. By the way,
(27:23):
we're in college football season, a state flag, a flag
that is somehow in some way associated with with anybody
out there. I think again, to your point, you shouldn't
be prosecuted because you decide to drive over gay pride
flags that are on that are painted on the on
the road, Like, why is that a thing in the
first place. You're basically demanding or in some way putting
(27:48):
it in the context where you're going to be driving
over it all the time. I think you should be
able to burn a transflag, I think a gay rights flag,
whatever you want to burn. Again, I'm I'm not saying
I would do it, but I don't like the idea
of penalizing direct political speech, and I think the Spring
Court has been clear on this. I don't think you
(28:09):
have the ability to stop it.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
A guy in twenty nineteen, an American was given a
sentence of fifteen years for stealing a Pride flag from
a church and burning it outside of a strip club. Now, anybody,
anybody who has any familiarity with how criminal law works
(28:33):
in general, a flag, I don't know what the flag?
What's the flag? I'm looking at a picture of it
right now. Flag was don't know fifty bucks? Did in
any other situation do you get? Do you get fifteen
years in prison for stealing something that's a fifty dollars item?
I don't think so?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Okay? But is crazy.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
But the way they're able to punish it, to me
there is they stole something and then burned it.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
No, I understand, But then they pile bonkers. They pile
on top of that a hate crime enhancement. He stole
a flag. Stealing a flag should be a thing that
you can't do that gets you, you know what, what
is the value of the flag and it should be
treated like you know, in this case, it should be
treated like you stole a pair of shoes.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Okay, don't do that again.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
You know you have this on your record. Fifteen years
in prison class fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
People murder, people.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Look at fifteen years, people look at Biden absolutely absolutely insane.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
So you know this, But this is what I mean
by they really LGBTQ plus and the transagenda really became
a state religion in this country. And I don't mean
like by state, I mean big s state of the
federal government and of the apparatus starting under the Obama
years and then of course really reaching its peak in
the Biden years. And it's madness. You know, I'm sorry,
(29:51):
but like you know, if you if someone, if someone's
gonna tell me they have a right to stand, you
know here in South Florida and burn an American flag.
I don't want to here that that if you burn
a Pride flag, you go to prison. That's that's not
that's not what you disagree. No, no, no, I agree with
all that. I just this may be a first. I'm
(30:12):
just going through mentions. I screwed up a sports analogy,
and I'm getting correct by this.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
So I wanted to issue a correction.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Rick Monday, center fielder for the Cubs, and it was
at Dodger Stadium in nineteen seventy six. I thought the
Yankees were involved. This is before my time. I wasn't
born yet. I know the video as an iconic moment
in sports, but I got it.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
I got it. I whiffed on that one. So let's
go tell you so I had to. Don't play.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Clay's been hanging out with me too much. He's like,
you know, the Yankees, Red Sox, whatever you know, say
those teams.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
That plays the ball. I don't know the sports ball.
They sports mylogy. It happens, it happens.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
The best of us play. Don't worry about it, all right,
will come in, take some of your calls and take
some of your thoughts. By the way, I you've got
thoughts on the flag burning thing. Very curious for you
to hear it. I think this is a move by
Trump at some First of all, I think that he
just passionately loves the American flag and appreciates symbolism, and
I think he deeply believes this is the right thing
for the country, So I don't. I just think he's
gonna run into procedural problems with this, and I think
(31:15):
the Supreme Courts weighed in pretty clearly on this. So
unless the Supreme Court is gonna overturn that previous decision,
it's like, Okay, what are we doing. But I also
think it highlights this pick and chew situation of well,
some flags, you know, you go to prison for if
you burn and we all know this, Oh it's stolenever, yeah, please,
some flags are sacrosanc some flags we give we give
(31:36):
special and some objects we give special you know, protection
to Nope, it's either you either have the right or
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Speaker 2 (33:13):
Let's have some fun to close up shop here. I
meant to mention this earlier Bucket, Uh, my fourteen year
old he just turned fifteen, My fifteen year old nephew.
He is a freshman in high school. He's a good
tennis player. He practiced this weekend. He carries a radar
gun with him to see how his temper, how his
(33:36):
speed is on serves, and he showed me he hit
one oh two and one oh three this weekend in
his training sessions on his serves. Buck, I don't know
what the latest is on serve games. Whoa, oh fifties
fifteen just turn fifteen in May. Fresh Just to be clear,
Just to be clear, there have been you. There have
(33:57):
been Wimbledon champions who were sixteen, all right before any
of you were like, oh true story, check it out yourself.
Monica Sellis and Bory one at sixteen. And I believe
Boris Becker won Wimbledon at seventeen.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
I think that's right. So yes, you can, you can
be really really good.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
It's not it's not like football where you need extra
years of you know, sort of physical growth of you know,
you need to be like post college to be at
your maximum speed and strength.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
You can be number one.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
You give me the number one tennis player in the
world as an eighteen year old. Second, I'm just saying
I'm not trying to take the.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Heat off myself. Oh okay, okay, so we haven't forgot
about a little challenge you one hundred two hundred and three.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Can I just say this all started because you asked
me how fast I could serve, and I said, I
think about one hundred and I clocked in ninety seven
the first time I tried. Okay, so like, you know,
let's get real here. That's pretty close. But you know what, Laura,
your your your lovely wife has thrown down the gauntlet
on this one. We set parameters. She's not letting it slide.
So maybe I'll ge out there. I'll loosen up the shoulder.
(34:52):
We'll see how it goes. How tall is your nephew.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
By the way, not that tall, Like I mean not
to insult him, but I think probably five eight something.
I mean he's fifteen. Oh, he's not growing, He's not
like sixty two or something. No, no, no, no, he's he's
a good player. Also, I think you'll appreciate this. I
met Bo Duke on Friday from the Dukes of Hazzard,
(35:14):
John Schneider.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
If you remember that I love.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
You may have been this might be one where you,
being like three or four years younger than me, actually
factors in in a big way. Did you watch the
Dukes of Hazzard growing up?
Speaker 6 (35:26):
No?
Speaker 4 (35:26):
But my brother who's your age, Mason, who you know
very well. He was a dude.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
He watched it all that. He watched that Miamyvice and
night Rider.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Oh, I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I love Dukes of Hazzard back in the day. Got
to meet John Schneider. Super nice guy.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Bo Duke.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Huge, looks like a left tackle in the NFL. He
was way way bigger than I thought he was gonna be.
All right, what do we got here in terms of
people who've been waiting to talk, Let's go to gem
in North Carolina.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
What you got hey, Clay?
Speaker 8 (35:54):
Love love you guys. However, take disagreement on the plant
in terms of burning it, gay, let me ask you
a question, do you speak a flag into it burning?
Or do you.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Actually I appreciate the Supreme Court. I understand that argument.
The Supreme Court disagrees with you. The Supreme Court has
said that burning a flag is a political speech right,
and that this has been controversial if you take it
out of flags. Remember it's been hugely controversial in Europe.
The Quran they burn sometimes as a statement, and it
(36:30):
is incredibly dangerous you might imagine to do. Sometimes Bibles
get burned, things like that. I understand the argument that
it is an act, not speech. Many speech and acts
are connected, and I would suggest this is one of them.
Probably some of your weigh in, we'll take that tomorrow.
Thanks for hanging with us. Monday edition
All right, third hour of Clay and Buck starts right now.
Thanks for being with us, everybody, and as promised, we
have this discussion that has gotten a lot of attention
in the press. I think a lot less attention just
from Main Street, from everyone all across the country trying
to keep up with the news. This has to do
(00:22):
with the Smithsonian specifically, but really museums more broadly, which
especially when you're talking about DC museums like the National
Portrait Gallery and have been filled with clay. What have
you been to any of these museums in recent years?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I have gone with you. I have not, so so
this is what got me blown up by the left.
When we were up in DC, my son was doing
a two weekend internship. He is incredibly fascinated with space travel,
with science, with all of the sci fi related elements,
(01:06):
so I took him to the National Air and Space Museum.
So I was just up at the National Air and
Space Museum a couple of months ago when we were
in DC, and it was fantastic. And now back to
you on talking about the Smithsonian. But I will come
back and tell you exactly what my take was on it.
(01:26):
But you lived in DC these are all free. I imagine,
what percentage of the audience do you think out there
right now has ever been to a Smithsonian museum. If
you went to d C, you have been to a
Smithsonian museum. So I would think at least half of
the people listening to us right now, he's.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Gonna say twenty five percent. But a big chunk, A
big chunk. I grew up in New York City and
I've never been to the Statue of Liberty, So I mean,
you know, sometimes crazy things happen, But I feel like.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
If you went to d C on a school trip
or you took your family at any point in your life,
I would venture most people who go to Washington, d
C have been to at least one of the Smithsonians. Now,
has it been a while for me other than air
and space, Yes, But I think set the table for
what President Trump has said, and.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
This is where it all started. Let's let's uh, let's
gather together on this one here for a second. Trump
White House has called for a review of all current
and future exhibitions at eight Smithsonian museums. This has got
some of the major art museums involved as well. And
(02:34):
this is because of quote a desired or the quote
starts with alignment with American ideals, a desire to make
sure they're aligned with American ideals. President Trump truthed the following.
The museums throughout Washington but all over the country are
essentially the last remaining segment of woke. And there then
(02:56):
the White House released a list of US of ZEM
exhibits that it found objectionable. Trump has told his lawyers
to go through museums and this is the same thing
to earth with colleges and the universities. His administration has
sought changes, threatening funding cuts and even tax exempt status.
(03:16):
So the left is of course very upset about this.
And the reason they're very upset about this is that
they want these institutions to reflect their view.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Remember there's no neutral space here. They want these to
reflect their view of American history, which means highlighting oppressed
and victimized people and more specifically, highlighting the centerpiece of
American history until the Industrial Revolution, Clay, and the one
(03:47):
and only thing that we're allowed to really think a
lot about is slavery. And that is the most the
single central, most important to highlight aspect of American history.
According to some of these museums, and there's a fight underway.
And I think this, I think this is a good thing.
I think that Trump should not allow the left wing
(04:08):
nonsense to go without pushback at this. A traveling exhibition
at the museum at the Scottsdale Museum of Contemporary Art
in Arizona, Clay was called trans Feminisms. This has and
now they have changed. So so we're talking about some
pretty radical left wing stuff at museums in general, but
(04:29):
at our National Museum, Smithsonian Museum specifically. Here's a couple
of headlines for you, for yours truly, after the take
that I'm about to share with you. Fox News pundit
compare slavery to plane crashes in absurd rant against the Smithsonian.
Some of you may have seen this, by the way,
seen the actual event going on Yahoo Sports with Yahoo
(04:55):
Sorry regular with a similar take saying not a substantial
part of history. The Fox News pundit compare slavery to
plane crashes. Let's see Yahoo says, Fox News pundit compare
slavery to plane crashes and absurd rant against the Smithsonian.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yahoo.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
All right, here's what I said, and I bet you're
going to sign off on this too. Maybe some of
you disagree, I said, citing my trip to the Air
and Space Museum with my seventeen year old, I said
that when you go to the Air and Space Museum,
it is about the incredible human accomplishment of flight and
space exploration.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
We went through that whole place.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Spirit of Saint Louis front hanging from the ceiling, so
many different The Right Brothers plane from Kitty Hawk is there,
recreated the original, one of the original versions.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
We spent an entire day there. It was awesome. We
went to the Imax theater.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
We watched the movies that they were putting on there,
one about some of the challenges of space and time,
the other about the challenges associated If I remember correctly
with interstellar travel, right, I mean it is sci fi,
it is history of flight and space exploration. There wasn't
(06:20):
a single exhibit about plane crashes or about people who
died trying to go to space. That doesn't mean that
plane crashes don't happen all the time, and that there
aren't dangers from aviation and space travel. And maybe at
some point in time they have a special exhibit for
the challenger, or they have a special exhibit maybe connected
(06:41):
to nine to eleven in some way. I don't know
if they've ever done that, but in general, I think
the goal of the Smithsonians is to make people feel
better about America and American life and to leave with
an uplifting feeling. Now, there are other musings in Washington,
(07:01):
DC that are directly related to specific forms of trauma,
the Holocaust Museum, for instance, but by and large, to me,
sites like the Air and Space Museum should not be
places where you go and examine human failure and the
wrongs that have been perpetrated that have led to lack
(07:24):
of success in space travel or flight. To me, that's
a very i think, easy to understand and also normal
emotional response that most people would have. And so Trump
is focused on the achievement, and much of the left
now is focused on American failure, and that's really what
this conversation is about.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
The administration highlighted a number of specific exhibits. I was
looking for this a second ago, but I found it,
and I can go through just a few of these.
So there was a exhibit on LGBTQ plus history at
the American History Museum.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, LGBTQ that's not I would not sign off on
that in the American History Museum personally, like, I don't
think that is necessary.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Well, I mean the history of LGBTQ plus it's got
to go back only a couple of years because they
just came up with that acronym a few years ago.
I mean the plus was just added. So this is
very new. This is this is really contemporary, not not
actually history. And then you had this is the one
that I think got the most attention from people, a
painting of immigrants crossing the Southern border at the National
(08:37):
Portrait Gallery. So it's a very favorable depiction of an
immigrant family and you know, a baby that like it
looks like the baby Jesus or something that is crossing
Trump's wall. And they didn't, you know, they don't like that.
You know, by the way, that's illegal. What they're doing
is a crime. So it's interesting the way it's to
(08:59):
pick it. It's actually but the way it's depicted, it's
like a great you know, leap forward in America's America's
history or its past whatever.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
There's a bunch of other ones, Latinos with disabilities, a
drawing of Anthony Fauci at the National Portrait Gallery. Fauci is, Yeah,
Fauci's a scumbag, so that's not good.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
So they I agree.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I mean, I think this stuff is all very political.
You know, I imagine if you had had at the
National Portrait Gallery they were putting up you know, they're
putting up paintings of like what a terrible dementia pation
Biden was and having them look really confused. I mean,
you might say that's a great painting book. I should
do that, but people would recognize that it's very partisan play.
These are very partisan things that are going up in
(09:43):
these museums.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, and again, I think the idea is and I
think most of you would sign off on this. One
reason that democrats popularity is in the tank is because
they focus on the failures.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Of America almost exclu usively.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
They've got the Oppression Olympics all the time, the idea
that you cannot succeed, that America is a horribly racist,
irredeemable country with a sordid past. I mean, really the
entire concept of the sixteen nineteen project, which The New
York Times got behind, among others. Nicole Hannah Jones I
(10:23):
believe was the history. I'm putting in quotation marks because
she's not actually much of a historian. But the idea
of the sixteen nineteen project was America's founding date is
actually when slavery began in the colonies, and not seventeen
seventy six, when America declared independence from Great Britain. And
so if you root American history and define it entirely
(10:47):
based on slavery, then you are able. This is the
goal to tear down anything that was created in that
era as illegitimate and depressive. So the Constitution doesn't have
to exist, the Declaration of Independence can be removed, All
of that can be torn down. If you decide to
only focus on the sins of American history, what I
(11:10):
would say is six hundred thousand some odd people died
to win slavery. That seems pretty significant in the general
American consciousness. We should focus and celebrate successes over failures.
I think that's what our museum should do.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, if you're talking about combat fatalities in the Civil War,
overwhelmingly it was white men who died on both sides,
but white men who died on both sides, and it
was their price in blood that ended the institution of slavery,
which that always seems to get left out of this. Yes,
(11:46):
you know, that always seems to be left out of
the conversation. And there's a hatred I think of americanness
that the left indulges and really wants to propagate. And
we see it at the universities, and now we see
it through the and we saw it there with the
sixteen nineteen project the New York Times, and now we
see it through the institutions of museums. And enough is enough.
(12:08):
Let me ask you this claim, what other country would do?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
This?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Find to me another country? I mean, the only thing
you could maybe think of would be, you know, German
museums about Nazism, or you know the way that Nazis
are treated in German museums of World War Two. But
this idea that you're gonna have museums that seek within
a country, that seek to attack and undermine the country
from within, this is this is not a common thing
(12:34):
that the rest of the world would engage in.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
I think that's true.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
And I also believe that what Trump sees is the
symbolism of tearing down statues isn't really about those individuals
who are having their statues torn down. It's an argument
that the story of American history is one of tragedy
and one that we should be saddened by and embarrassed by.
(13:00):
And I think most of you out there that our
students of history recognize that all of us are flawed,
but that what we want to do is celebrate the
great moments of American triumph while acknowledging that we don't
always make the right decisions. The long range history of
America from its inception in seventeen seventy six to the
present day is one of the greatest country in the
(13:23):
history of the world, struggling, fighting, endeavoring to become greater
than it has been in the past. And that's why
I think Make America Great Again has such a cultural resonance,
because it's about making us all better than we have
been in the past and also returning us to some
of the principles that made us so foundationally dominant. And
(13:46):
it would make sense that you would then examine history
to see what our kids are being taught, because if
they're being taught that America is a profoundly racist, awful,
oppressive country, then it's hard to have pride in the country.
And guess what, young people don't have a lot of
pride in the country. And when you don't have pride
in place, you're able to be led astray, and you're
able to reject the history of this country and all
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Speaker 2 (15:57):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sex Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We have got a
absolute bundle of you giving us tons of different feedback
and UH, let me play a couple of these for you,
by the way, because Trump has been talking to media
all day and I want to make sure that we
(16:18):
are giving you enough of what he is saying.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
In there.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Here is Trump on the John Bolton and mare A
Lago raids while he's meeting with the president of South Korea.
Cut thirty four.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
More raids like the John Bolden's house coming more raids.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
You'd have to ask the Department of Justice.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
They raided my house.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I can tell you that they did a big rate
in my house.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
They took away everything that wasn't pin down, and they
took away some of that too. Uh No, they rated
mar A Lago.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
They started that there.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I don't know if these were bad people that we
had in our government before they raided mar A Lago.
They went into my wife's area, they went into my
son's are and my young son, and what they did
was a disgrace. But how did it work out where
I see where in the I guess it didn't work
(17:09):
out too well for him, did it.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
And here's one more buck. Here is South Korean President
Meung with via a translator. Cut thirty three. Truthly, there
is a fact finding investigation. I have a special prosecutor
that was appointed by the National Assembly, and this special pleas.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
Name deranged Jack, the chi from our country. The deranged
is a deranged individual. I'm only kidding. Maybe I'm not.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
So Trump feeling the ease there with South Korea's president.
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Com, Slay Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines
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Speaker 1 (18:55):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. As we said,
Trump had a meeting today with the pre KOREEA and
also was just in the Oval Office addressing a whole
range of issues. One thing that came up. I didn't
know this was going to happen. I'm sure Trump had
probably tweeted or spoken about it recently, but truth about it.
Recently he spoke about the Executive Order on burning flags.
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This is cut to listen in.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
What the penalty is going to be. If you burn
a flag, you get one year in jail, no early exits,
no nothing. You get one year in jail. If you
burn a flag, you get And what it does is
insight to write. I hope they used that language. By
the way, did that insight to riot? And you burn
a flag you get one year in jail. You don't
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get ten years, you don't get one month. You get
one year in jail, and it goes on your record,
and you will see flag burning stopping immediately. Just like
when I said the Statute and Monument Act, ten years
in jail, if you heard any of our beautiful monuments,
everybody left town. They were got never had a problem
after that. It's pretty amazing we stopped it. But this
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is something that's I don't know, in a certain way,
it's equally as important. Some people say it's more important.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Okay, Clay, I know you want to dive in on
this one. And there's there's a lot too, a lot
to chew on with this. There is the Texas v.
Johnson nineteen eighty nine Supreme Court case that said that
this is a that flagbirning is a legal act. So
the Supreme Court weighed in on this very clearly. I mean,
they've said that this is this is legal, So I don't.
And then there's the issue of the executive order instead
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of a congressional act to pass a statute. Right, executive
orders are not supposed to be in place of laws.
It's supposed to be the use of executive authority that
either resides with the president or given to the president
buy an act of Congress, so that may be a challenge.
I'm sure you got some other ideas on that one too.
One thing I would say though about this, I don't
think this is going to last, meaning I don't think
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that this is going to make its way into policy
without the courts stepping in. And I think I think
he would lose at the Supreme Court on this too.
I just if it went to the current Supreme Court,
I don't think that he would get a different result personally.
Maybe I could be wrong, and maybe that's where this
ends up going at some point. But Clay, the other
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thing is this, we live in a country where burning
burning some flags will get you sent to prison because
they say it's hate speech.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
That is wrong.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
It is part of the left wing DEI communists reordering
of our society. And whether it's a you know, an
LGBTQ mural on a street that you're not allowed to
drive too fast over, or it's a trans flag somewhere,
either flag burning is a legal act of protected symbolic
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speech or it is not. We cannot have a society
where we pick and choose. We cannot have oh you know,
you like this on fire, you go to prison. But
you like that on fire again as symbolism, and there's
no big you know, like the American flag on fire,
no big deal.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Look, I disagree with the President on this. I don't
think he has the constitutional authority to do it. I
understand the intent, but the Supreme Court has said you
can burn flags and American flags, and I think you
should be able to burn gay Pride flags. I think
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you should be able to burn trans celebration flags, state flags.
I wouldn't do it personally because I don't believe in
it on an individual level, but I believe that you
should have the right to make this statement, and so
as a First Amendment absolutist, I think the President is
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wrong on this one. I don't think he has the
authority to do it with the executive order. Again, I
understand the intent, and I understand that it feels awful
to see someone burning the America can flag. That doesn't
mean that I believe that should be considered a crime. Now,
there are exceptions, right if the President did reference, Hey,
(23:10):
if you're trying to create a riotous environment, there are
context in which if you take somebody else's flag, right
yank it out of their hand and burn it. That
is different than purchasing a flag yourself and choosing to
burn it. But the Supreme Court has been pretty clear
on this. I think that this is a protected speech.
(23:31):
It is political speech, whether you agree with it or not.
And so look, I think if you remember producer Greg
probably remember his name. I think one of the great
iconic moments in was it Rick Monday. I think in
American sports is when a fan ran on the field
at Yankee Stadium and tried to burn a flag, and
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Rick Monday, I believe, the center fielder for the Yankees,
ran and yanked the flag away before he could burn it.
I applaud that. I think that remember when we outside
Union Station we played audio there was a guy who
saw flag burning and he grabbed it and ran with
it to try to prevent the flag from being burned.
I salute the bravery and patriotism in my opinion, for
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that occurring. Well, but again, I don't think the president
has the right to do it, and I don't think
we should ban flag burning.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
That though, then brings me to the hate speech thing,
which is just an end run on this, and you
have to be very careful with the left in this.
So I know you're allowed. For example, you're allowed to
burn a Pride flag. No, actually you're really not, because
if you burn the flag and there's any other violation
of statute. Let's say you take a flag off of
a poll and it's not yours, or you know, you've
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created an incendiary device in a public square, or so
they'll they'll find some way and then they hit you
with a hate crime enhancement. And let me just say,
I think hate crimes I don't view I think hate
crimes are effectively the enhancements you get from hate crimes
just comes from some people are considered to be a
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higher status of victim than others for the same conduct
or the same act. So in principle, disagree with with
hate crime enhancements. You know, obviously I don't like hate crimes.
But that's that's not the same thing as saying, you know,
you've got these people that have been arrested for example,
for for like leaving a skid mark on a street
because there's a Pride mural there.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
It's a street.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, people can drive on a street, and are you
get do you get arrested for driving too fast in
another intersection and leaving some marks on something. No, then
you shouldn't be arrested for this. They play these games
they want they want the law to protect certain classes
and that includes certain flag burning situations. And that has
to stop. That has to be there. You know that
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the Supreme Court I think should take that up too
and just say, look, you can't play these games anymore
where you have an end run on the right to
burn flags, or you know, you have the sort of
backdoor way of really punishing some people and then everything else.
The American flag, it's all this is completely fine to burn,
burn as many as you want. So man, I remember
there was people still think this is crazy when I
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say it. There were students who held a flag burning
on my campus in college after nine to eleven Clay Yeah,
a a you know about I don't know, maybe eight
students or something. They were actually not from my college.
This came out later. They were from Hampshire down the road.
But Hampshire is such a I'm just being honest, an
unseerious academic institution, top to bottom, just the truth, just
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facts that they came to AMers because they thought it
would get the more attention, and it did. Boston Globe
wrote it up, but you know that mentality was there.
It was, oh, we're still burying people from nine to
eleven or still finding out you know, if anyone's where
people's remains are, let's have a big flag burning on campus.
So you know, I understand very much how it upsets
people and how it's it's a I'm with you in that,
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I strong disagree with it.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I think the president doesn't have the authority here, and
I don't see how I don't even have the authority.
I don't even think it's a good idea to try
to start to make these designations. Again, I think you
should be able to burn legally the American flag, the
Israeli fat the flag, the Palestinian flag, any sort of
flag that has to do with any statement. By the way,
(27:23):
we're in college football season, a state flag, a flag
that is somehow in some way associated with with anybody
out there. I think again, to your point, you shouldn't
be prosecuted because you decide to drive over gay pride
flags that are on that are painted on the on
the road, Like, why is that a thing in the
first place. You're basically demanding or in some way putting
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it in the context where you're going to be driving
over it all the time. I think you should be
able to burn a transflag, I think a gay rights flag,
whatever you want to burn. Again, I'm I'm not saying
I would do it, but I don't like the idea
of penalizing direct political speech, and I think the Spring
Court has been clear on this. I don't think you
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have the ability to stop it.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
A guy in twenty nineteen, an American was given a
sentence of fifteen years for stealing a Pride flag from
a church and burning it outside of a strip club. Now, anybody,
anybody who has any familiarity with how criminal law works
(28:33):
in general, a flag, I don't know what the flag?
What's the flag? I'm looking at a picture of it
right now. Flag was don't know fifty bucks? Did in
any other situation do you get? Do you get fifteen
years in prison for stealing something that's a fifty dollars item?
I don't think so?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Okay? But is crazy.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
But the way they're able to punish it, to me
there is they stole something and then burned it.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
No, I understand, But then they pile bonkers. They pile
on top of that a hate crime enhancement. He stole
a flag. Stealing a flag should be a thing that
you can't do that gets you, you know what, what
is the value of the flag and it should be
treated like you know, in this case, it should be
treated like you stole a pair of shoes.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Okay, don't do that again.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
You know you have this on your record. Fifteen years
in prison class fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
People murder, people.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Look at fifteen years, people look at Biden absolutely absolutely insane.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
So you know this, But this is what I mean
by they really LGBTQ plus and the transagenda really became
a state religion in this country. And I don't mean
like by state, I mean big s state of the
federal government and of the apparatus starting under the Obama
years and then of course really reaching its peak in
the Biden years. And it's madness. You know, I'm sorry,
(29:51):
but like you know, if you if someone, if someone's
gonna tell me they have a right to stand, you
know here in South Florida and burn an American flag.
I don't want to here that that if you burn
a Pride flag, you go to prison. That's that's not
that's not what you disagree. No, no, no, I agree with
all that. I just this may be a first. I'm
(30:12):
just going through mentions. I screwed up a sports analogy,
and I'm getting correct by this.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
So I wanted to issue a correction.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Rick Monday, center fielder for the Cubs, and it was
at Dodger Stadium in nineteen seventy six. I thought the
Yankees were involved. This is before my time. I wasn't
born yet. I know the video as an iconic moment
in sports, but I got it.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
I got it. I whiffed on that one. So let's
go tell you so I had to. Don't play.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Clay's been hanging out with me too much. He's like,
you know, the Yankees, Red Sox, whatever you know, say
those teams.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
That plays the ball. I don't know the sports ball.
They sports mylogy. It happens, it happens.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
The best of us play. Don't worry about it, all right,
will come in, take some of your calls and take
some of your thoughts. By the way, I you've got
thoughts on the flag burning thing. Very curious for you
to hear it. I think this is a move by
Trump at some First of all, I think that he
just passionately loves the American flag and appreciates symbolism, and
I think he deeply believes this is the right thing
for the country, So I don't. I just think he's
gonna run into procedural problems with this, and I think
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the Supreme Courts weighed in pretty clearly on this. So
unless the Supreme Court is gonna overturn that previous decision,
it's like, Okay, what are we doing. But I also
think it highlights this pick and chew situation of well,
some flags, you know, you go to prison for if
you burn and we all know this, Oh it's stolenever, yeah, please,
some flags are sacrosanc some flags we give we give
(31:36):
special and some objects we give special you know, protection
to Nope, it's either you either have the right or
you don't have the right. It can't be a thing
that's based on what you like. What percentage of Americans
you think own gold five percent, fifteen percent, thirty three percent. Look,
the answer is just more than twelve percent, which is
pretty small number when you consider the goal is increase
in value some forty percent of the last year for
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you and most of this audience, it's an invent an opportunity.
It's close to another all time high now and a
lot of room for growth in gold. Still a lot
of reason to own gold these days. It's proven increase
in value over time. I mean just look historically at gold.
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Speaker 2 (33:13):
Let's have some fun to close up shop here. I
meant to mention this earlier Bucket, Uh, my fourteen year
old he just turned fifteen, My fifteen year old nephew.
He is a freshman in high school. He's a good
tennis player. He practiced this weekend. He carries a radar
gun with him to see how his temper, how his
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speed is on serves, and he showed me he hit
one oh two and one oh three this weekend in
his training sessions on his serves. Buck, I don't know
what the latest is on serve games. Whoa, oh fifties
fifteen just turn fifteen in May. Fresh Just to be clear,
Just to be clear, there have been you. There have
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been Wimbledon champions who were sixteen, all right before any
of you were like, oh true story, check it out yourself.
Monica Sellis and Bory one at sixteen. And I believe
Boris Becker won Wimbledon at seventeen.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
I think that's right. So yes, you can, you can
be really really good.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
It's not it's not like football where you need extra
years of you know, sort of physical growth of you know,
you need to be like post college to be at
your maximum speed and strength.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
You can be number one.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
You give me the number one tennis player in the
world as an eighteen year old. Second, I'm just saying
I'm not trying to take the.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Heat off myself. Oh okay, okay, so we haven't forgot
about a little challenge you one hundred two hundred and three.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Can I just say this all started because you asked
me how fast I could serve, and I said, I
think about one hundred and I clocked in ninety seven
the first time I tried. Okay, so like, you know,
let's get real here. That's pretty close. But you know what, Laura,
your your your lovely wife has thrown down the gauntlet
on this one. We set parameters. She's not letting it slide.
So maybe I'll ge out there. I'll loosen up the shoulder.
(34:52):
We'll see how it goes. How tall is your nephew.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
By the way, not that tall, Like I mean not
to insult him, but I think probably five eight something.
I mean he's fifteen. Oh, he's not growing, He's not
like sixty two or something. No, no, no, no, he's he's
a good player. Also, I think you'll appreciate this. I
met Bo Duke on Friday from the Dukes of Hazzard,
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John Schneider.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
If you remember that I love.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
You may have been this might be one where you,
being like three or four years younger than me, actually
factors in in a big way. Did you watch the
Dukes of Hazzard growing up?
Speaker 6 (35:26):
No?
Speaker 4 (35:26):
But my brother who's your age, Mason, who you know
very well. He was a dude.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
He watched it all that. He watched that Miamyvice and
night Rider.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Oh, I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I love Dukes of Hazzard back in the day. Got
to meet John Schneider. Super nice guy.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Bo Duke.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Huge, looks like a left tackle in the NFL. He
was way way bigger than I thought he was gonna be.
All right, what do we got here in terms of
people who've been waiting to talk, Let's go to gem
in North Carolina.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
What you got hey, Clay?
Speaker 8 (35:54):
Love love you guys. However, take disagreement on the plant
in terms of burning it, gay, let me ask you
a question, do you speak a flag into it burning?
Or do you.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Actually I appreciate the Supreme Court. I understand that argument.
The Supreme Court disagrees with you. The Supreme Court has
said that burning a flag is a political speech right,
and that this has been controversial if you take it
out of flags. Remember it's been hugely controversial in Europe.
The Quran they burn sometimes as a statement, and it
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is incredibly dangerous you might imagine to do. Sometimes Bibles
get burned, things like that. I understand the argument that
it is an act, not speech. Many speech and acts
are connected, and I would suggest this is one of them.
Probably some of your weigh in, we'll take that tomorrow.
Thanks for hanging with us. Monday edition
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