September 5, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a high-impact mix of national security analysis, cultural commentary, and exclusive interviews. The hour opens with breaking news on the U.S. military’s unprecedented kinetic strike against a suspected narco-terrorist vessel in the Caribbean. Clay and Buck discuss the implications of this escalation in the war on drugs, including the deployment of fighter jets to Puerto Rico and the legal authority behind targeting drug traffickers with lethal force. They explore how the designation of cartels as terrorist organizations changes the rules of engagement and could reshape U.S. counter-narcotics strategy.
The hosts dive deep into the economics of the drug trade, emphasizing how cartels continue to profit despite increased seizures and enforcement. They argue that the risk-reward calculus for drug mules and smugglers may shift dramatically in light of the new military tactics. Clay urges parents and grandparents to talk to their kids about the dangers of fentanyl-laced party drugs, highlighting the growing number of accidental poisonings among young Americans.
In a compelling cultural segment, Clay and Buck welcome filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza to discuss his upcoming documentary, The Dragon’s Prophecy. The film explores the October 7 Hamas attacks on Israel through a biblical lens, drawing parallels between ancient Philistine warfare and modern Palestinian tactics. D’Souza shares exclusive footage and survivor interviews, while addressing both left-wing and right-wing critiques of Israel. He argues that the conflict is deeply rooted in history and theology, and may never be fully resolved, though Trump’s peace-through-prosperity approach offers a glimmer of hope.
The hour also features listener talkbacks and VIP emails, including a spirited debate over the literary value of Harry Potter versus The Chronicles of Narnia. Clay defends J.K. Rowling’s series as a gateway to reading for young audiences, while Buck shares how Tom Clancy novels inspired his path to the CIA. The hosts tease upcoming interviews and reflect on the importance of storytelling in shaping cultural and political identity.
Closing out the hour, Clay and Buck preview weekend sports matchups, including the US Open semifinal between Novak Djokovic and Carlos Alcaraz, and make bold college football predictions. The segment blends lighthearted banter with serious insights, offering listeners a well-rounded and engaging end to the week.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour of play and Buck kicks off right now.
Thanks so much for being with us, everybody, appreciate all
of you listening to us here. And we're gonna dive
into a couple of stories. One is this boat, well,
I guess we'll call it a kinetic strike on a
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suspected NARCO vessel, NARCO terrorist vessel making its way through
the Caribbean to some trendshipment point to bring most likely fentanyl,
but could be cocaine, fentanyl, a whole bunch of different
things on that boat into the United States. And Pete Hegseth,
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who's the Secretary of Defense and whom Clay and I
know personally pretty well. He spoke about this because there
is Look, there's just some facts that to be aware
of it. This is an escalation. We've never done this before,
so it is new. This is not business as usual
in fighting the cartels. We've never been in a position
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where we've used an immediate lethal force on a non
immediate cartel or non immediate you know, drug trafficking threat.
Here is Secretary of Defense Hegseth speaking exactly about this
or inspecific about this situation.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Plate twenty one Legal Authority to depending on in both
to strike.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
That both full of drug smugglers.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
We have the absolute and complete authority to conduct that.
First of all, just the defense of the American people alone.
One hundred thousand Americans were killed each year under the
previous administration because of an open border, an open drug
traffic flow. That is an assault on the American people.
I said, we smoked the drug boat, and there's eleven
narco terrace at the bottom of the ocean, and when
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other people try to do that, they're going to meet
the same faith.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
What do you make of the clay?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I think the question is how do we solve the
issue of fentnyl coming across our southern border in particular,
but also increasingly northern border. It's getting into the country.
The drug war has failed. I think most of you
out there recognize the drug war has failed. When I
(02:16):
was younger, and I think you were in this camp bug,
my inclination was just to say we should legalize more drugs,
we should spend less money fighting against it. But these
drugs are so strong and so many relatively young people
otherwise of good health are dying from them that I
don't think we can allow it into our country one
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hundred thousand people a year, again overwhelmingly in their teens, twenties, thirties, forties,
People with decades of healthy life to go are dying
from these drugs. So what do we have to change?
We need a game changing element to truly alter things,
because what we're doing right now, frankly, isn't working.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Now.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Securing the southern border is a huge part of this.
We have now done that, it appears there still is
a lot of fentanyl coming into the country. And I
talked about reading a big story from the New York
Times about how incredibly sophisticated the cartels have become when
it comes to getting illegal drugs. I mean they have submarines, they've.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Had submarines for a long time to clay. They're using drones,
and they've been using drones at the border for surveillance
of our border patrol and even sometimes to do drops. Yeah,
and part of the problem. And you know, I used
to going back a long time ago, I used to
occasionally spend some time with the NYPD CO located with DEA.
(03:40):
And obviously, when you're sitting with DEA, guys, what are
you talk to them about drug cartel stuff, right. Yeah,
they were there just in case we needed them as
a liaison during the counter terrorism work. But the things
that we would talk about, the sophistication of the cartels
was was extremely high. And one of the problems you
have is even as seizures go up, so as you
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get more of the illegal drugs, it's a supply and
demand curve, so price street price can go up. So
you have to, you know, to keep in mind that
if you were to if we were to get one
and or if we were to get rather three out
of four drug loads and take them out of circulation,
(04:22):
it's still probably be very profitable for the cartels to
do what they're doing. That's the problem is that is
that you have this very steep economic analysis. I mean
you you brought this up in the context of if
somebody thinks that they can feed their family for a year,
are they going to Are there going to be people
willing to risk twenty years in prison to bring a
few kilos of cocaine into this country on a fast
(04:43):
boat or you know, fentanyl, whatever it may be.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
The answer is yes.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
And for the cartels, even if there are seizures of
cartel product, they can still make a whole lot of
money if we were to double the level of seizures.
So this is the challenge in trying to stop this stuff.
It's there's a lot of money to be made in
this black market for drugs, which obviously is killing a
lot of Americans.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Well, I think the question I have and I don't
know the answer, but I think it's a worthy one
to contemplate and debate. Does blowing up a speedboat that
is filled with illegal drugs that reports are refused multiple
commands to stop, by the way, so this was not
(05:29):
completely without some sort of provocation.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Can I add add to this, Clay. I think it's
important we have this discussion because Reuters was reporting there
have been there's been a deployment of ten fighter jets
to Puerto Rico to fight against drug cartels. Now that
hasn't been confirmed I think by the administration yet, but
that's what the report that I saw on Reuter's is.
So the four they're now moving and for deploying more
(05:54):
assets that would be capable of doing these kind of strikes.
So to your point, we better really be clear on
is this something we have a constitutional The president has
a constitutional and legal authority. I mean those are one
of the same, but legal authority to do uh. And
what will the effects beyond on the war on drugs?
I will say this, people say the war on drugs
(06:15):
is filled. This does change the calculation. I think you
pointed this.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
This is my point.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yes, this is a different it's a different thing to
face getting blown up with a hell fire or missile
or whatever it is. My wife is pointing out also
that we have, according to her, and she's kind of
an expert on this from her law training, she says,
this is the first time that we have officially designated
terrorist organizations that are dealing drugs as terror organization, which
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changes the rules of engagement. Now I'm quoting her, well,
she's she's correct. And this is when we remember. I
think we talked to very high level intel sources in
this administration. Clay was there for most of it. Unfortunately,
when he showed up in flip flops of the White
House had to turn him away. But I just want
to get this legend started at Clay was just like, yo, dude,
(07:05):
I'm here for the I'm here for the high level intel.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I still don't have a real ID and they would
not allow me in to meet with the directors of Intelligence.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
We're gonna go back to the White House probably like
in the next few months. Can you please get a
real ID?
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Sir?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
All right, I don't have to tell everybody. I'm gonna
have to tattle tail on you to everybody again, get
a real ID, Clay.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
It's complicated. You have to make these appointments. I'm on
the air for four hours every day. It's not that
easy to just in the middle part of the day
go get a real ID. I have a passport. But
my thing here, in addition to all of this is
does it change the calculus? Every drug dealer and drug
smuggler in America is going to see that video, and
(07:47):
I think, I don't think it's irrational. Most people analyze
risk reward in everything that we do all day long,
and one risk, clearly of being a drug ug mule
is you get caught and you go to prison and
you potentially have to serve time.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
To ask you an honest question. And I don't because
I can't put myself in the in the mindset of
of one of these drug mules or cartel employees, whatever
whatever you want to call them. Does spending twenty five
years in a US federal prison seem worse to them
than maybe just getting blown up and getting it all
done once. I'm being you know, I don't know that
that could go either way. I think for some people, yeah,
(08:26):
I think it's a valid question. I think life risk
is different. So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
First of all, none of them unless you're a drug
mule listening right now and you want to call in
and tell us the drug mule thought process. As a
rational person, my analysis of people who are drug smugglers
is they see it as a way to make relatively
short period of time, life changing money for both them
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and their family. And if you are required to risk
time in prison in you at least know that at
some point in time you can return to your family.
I bet the cartels I don't know this, but I
bet the cartels give good payouts even if you get arrested.
I bet they go back and take care of your family.
To try to encourage people to continue to take care
of this risk. This is my depends on what I think.
(09:17):
If you're a mule, maybe not.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
But if you're somebody, if you're like a sacario, you know,
as somebody that's done really nasty stuff off hotels. They
may do some of that, But Clay, I also think
that this is what I was going to say about
the Intel meetings and just the discussions that were going
on in the White House. We have an incredibly and
I saw this up firsthand, we have an incredibly sophisticated
(09:40):
counter terrorism and by that I just to get more specific,
Our ability to track, surveil, and blow up al Qaeda
style jihattis all over the world is pretty pretty incredible.
It has gotten to a point where the ability hit
HBTs in Yemen and Somalia, in Pakistani tribal areas, and
(10:05):
you name it is and there's a whole chain of
events that lead up to it, right, I mean, you know,
finding these people, surveiling these people, the target set, having
the whether it's drones or whatever it is, we're sending
it after them. It looks like this administration is gearing
up to use that very sophisticated counter terrorism infrastructure and
(10:26):
strike capability against the cartels who are now designated as
narco terrorists, as your wife rightly points out, and that
is a whole new level of something for the cartels
to be considering. I think getting blown up changes the calculus.
That's my ultimate analysis of the narco terror community. Because
(10:46):
right now, your worst case scenario is taking drugs. I
guess your worst case scenario is the cartel could become
angry at you and decide to kill you, which is
why you do your job. But I don't think you're
anticipating that your boat may get blown And so every
narco terrorist in America is going to be seeing that video,
and I think it's going to set off alarm belt.
(11:07):
Here's the biggest problem though. The reason why the drug
trade exists is because there's lots of money to be
made from the drug trade, and ultimately people respond to
incentives when it comes to making money. To me, the
biggest challenge here is we haven't driven up the cost
of bringing drugs in to the point where it exceeds
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the profit opportunity from the drug dealer, and that is
ultimately why they're engaging in rational economic decision making, even
if we disagree with the choices that they're making. I
would also point out that in discussions that I had
with members of Border Patrol in years past, and particularly
under the Biden Free for All Open Border years, Clay
(11:51):
the cartels at one point or at a certain phase
of this when the border was just wide open with
the ten million coming in, we're making more, they estimated
on human smuggling than on drug smuggling. So that means
billions of dollars billions and billions of dollars on effectively
controlling their side of the border. The the platza, right,
(12:14):
they break these up into territories and you have to pay,
and that's where the wristbands that I've seen the cartel
wristbands and giant piles on the ground, because if you
don't have that wristband, I mean, they'll pull you aside
and execute you, right, I mean, you know, they'll do
terrible things to you. So you've got to have that
wristband the show that you paid. But Trump is shut
down that income stream. They're not coming into the country
anymore that way, which means that now they have a
(12:37):
greater desperation on getting money via the drug trafficking, which
is made substantially harder as well because the resources that
we're going to the humanitarian mission at the border, i e.
Taking in illegals, making sure they're not you know, dying
of some disease or something like that. Now that's all
focused on the so they have a higher need to
make money off the drug trade, and we have a
(12:59):
greater focus and resource on the drug trade.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
So you know, this is a very different.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Situation than it was even eighteen months ago in terms
of what the cartels are facing and if we ramp
up the strikes, the attacks and the pressure on them,
this this isn't this is a new phase. That's all like,
this is a we have not seen something like this
in a long time.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Let me also, I'm gonna say this, every time we
have a discussion about drugs, you need to talk to
your kids and grandkids. They are often dying without even
understanding the drug that they're taking, so they can think
that they're taking a party drug. They can think, especially
go off to college, you're often you're in your twenties
in a college town, you're in a big city, and
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you're off on your own. There are so many kids
that are dying of poisoning. They're not really dying of
overdosing because they're not they're not taking what they thought
they were taking. And you need to impress upon your
kids that the intermixing between these highly dangerous deadly drugs
and the ones they think are party drugs, which are
(14:02):
they're gonna be fine from and they're just gonna have
a great time. It's ecstasy ish, or it's cocaine, or
it's something that they're not afraid of dying from taking.
They need to understand that there is a huge risk.
And I but this is a sign of how crazy
it is. People who are huge party drug people are
now using strips to check and see before they take
(14:23):
their party drugs, whether it's ventanyl or not. I don't
think there's a ton of college kids doing this. I
don't think that that's a die hard party drug person
who's doing that testing. But there are people basically dying
of poisoning, tens of thousands of them every single year.
Your kids need to know about this.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
We'll take your calls here coming up in a moment,
also again on some of your talkbacks, and we've got
Denesh Desuza will be with us talking about his new movie,
which I think you're gonna want to hear about or sure.
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Speaker 1 (18:50):
Welcome back in everybody to Clay and Buck. We are
joined by Densh Desuza, author and filmmaker his latest film,
The Dragons Prophecy documentary together for release on October ninth,
and we wanted to talk about it. Denesh, I believe
today it's seven hundred days of war between Israel and Gaza.
This ties into your film tell us about the Dragon's prophecy.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Well, the film is based on the idea that October
seventh is not an ordinary attack. It's a kind of
a biblical event, in other words, just an event of
epical significance. And I think what the film does is
it tries to raise the level of the current debate.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Which is a little bit stuck.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
You know, on the left you keep hearing colonialism, colonialism, genocide.
Of course, on the right you have a different type
of critique that is made of Israel.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
This film, what it does is it exposes.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
The conflict in the light of ancient biblical battles between
the Israelites and the Philistines. Now, very interestingly, the word
Philistine and Palestinian are connected, they're in fact the same name.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
And one of the things we expose in the film
is the way in which the tactics of.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
The Palestinians resemble the battles.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Of the ancient Philistine.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
So it's a very creepy idea that the past is
now back to haunt us in a new way. But
we're throwing a kind of new light on these events.
Looking at it somewhat through the lens of the Bible.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
I was over there to Nash and I know some
people have had the opportunity to go visit the Kibbutz's
the Nova Music Festival location. I mean, it's really unbelievable,
I think to see in person and crystallizes what exactly happened.
I imagine you have some of that footage. I imagine that
(20:51):
you also have traveled to Israel. What did you find
when you have been to Israel itself? As part of
telling this story.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
First of all, we have October seventh footage that people
have literally never seen. The opening scene of the film
is so shocking that we have actually had some people
who get a bit squeamish about it. So there's a
little bit of a graphic violence warning. Because the weird
thing is after October seventh, the Israeli government made the
(21:20):
decision not to sort of release footage, even though some
of it had been live stream by Hamas. The Israeli
government said, basically, we're going to bring in small groups
of journalists, hoping that they're going to be fair and
well meaning.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
We'll show them.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
The footage so that they can then their eyes will
be open not realizing that these journalists from the BBC,
from AP, from Sky News, very left wing where had
no interest in taking a look at any of this
footage or seeing it significance at all. So we begin
the film basically by putting you right there.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
In October seventh.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Then we take you to the kibbutz's and we interview
survivors full of them. But again the stories are so
haunting their first person, they are people who saw it
with their own eyes, because I think you can't discuss
the war now without reference to a the events of
October seventh, then second, understanding the significance of those events.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
What do you think, Yeah, sorry, speaking to the Nesch
the Suz, I was going to build on that. You
mentioned the response on the right, where some people are
angry at Israel's response to Hamas. I don't think it
surprises people necessarily that the left in many ways has
taken the side of the Palestinians because they see them
(22:38):
as brown, they see them as the colonized, they see
Israel as the colonizer. It is a bastardized version of
history that they're applying. But what do you think about
the anti Israel element of the right that now exists
as well. What would you tell that those individuals.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Well, first of all, I would tell them I can
kind of understand where they're coming from. Where they're coming
from is that, you know, the United States has gotten
involved in a lot of foreign entanglements and it's generally
worked out pretty badly, at least in the last quarter
century Iraq.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Of course, a lot of these same conservatives are against the.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Ukraine War, so they're basically saying, well, why should we
be for Israel? And you know, an indifference to what's
happening in Ukraine, either we're in or out. The second
thing that they have is this concern that somehow the
Israeli tail is wagging the American dog. Now again, on
the face of it, this is a little absurd, right.
(23:35):
You have a country of what ten or twelve million people,
It's got a gross national product a tiny fraction of
the US. It's the size of New Jersey. It doesn't
have anything like the weaponry we do. So how this
little mosquito can somehow control the elephant is itself like baffling, right,
It doesn't make any sense. When I debated this with
(23:55):
Nick fluent Is a few months ago, I told him,
if the Jews can truly control America, maybe they are
the master race. You know, I was being sartastic, But
the point being that that the shoe that was raised
I think legitimately by Tucker Carlson in his discussion with
Ted Cruz is he said, are the Jews of today,
like Netanyahu's Jews, the true.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Descendants of the ancient.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Israelite This is a topic that is completely settled in
the movie, and we do it essentially through biblical archaeology,
so we kind of take you into the archaeological digs.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Part of it is, if I'm giving a.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Biblical analysis of what's going on, I want to consider
the skeptical question, how do we know the Bible is
even true? How do we know that the historical events
described in the Bible are even valid?
Speaker 6 (24:46):
Was there really a King David? Was there really an
Isaiah and a Jeremiah? And this is.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
An element that is shown in the movie, and it's
a very fascinating part of the puzzle.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Big Tonette Susa and we're talking to him about his
movie that's come out, and Denesh, why is it that
the way this issue lines up is right after the
October seventh events, And I mean right after, within certainly
a few days, if not ours, you had people whom
(25:19):
you would expect on the left and in the Democrat
Party saying we need to cease fire, which to me
and Clay and I said this repeatedly on the show.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Right away.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
This would have been like saying, right after the towers
had come down because of the mass casualty terror attack
on nine to eleven in this country, we need to
cease fire with al Qaeda, Like now's the time to
really just hold back and have it. It seemed crazy
and in most the most obvious bad faith. Where does
the left get this? Like why is the left dug
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in on the side of Hamas and against Israel and
the Jewish people in this country?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
The left in a way accepts the premise of the
radical Muslims that Israel is the little Satan and.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
America is the great Satan.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
So when they start from that premise, that's says starting
out premise they consider Israel to be an illegitimate occupier
of that land. I think how crazy this is? Right,
the Jews have been there for four thousand years since
the days of Abraham. Sure they went into a diaspora,
but not of their own choosing. If the Jews had
(26:28):
packed up and left, I'd understand people would say, well,
you chose to leave, but they were pushed out, kicked out,
burned out, so they fled and then they returned to
their native homeland.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
So I think that. I think that.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
And then if you look at the example of America,
you gave the example of nine to eleven, but you
could look at Pearl Harbor, you could look at Germany.
Imagine if we were to say, after Pearl Harbor, listen,
there were only a few thousand Americans killed in Pearl Harbor.
Why did the United States have to go to Japan
and draw up atomic bombs? And with contemplating an invasion
of Japan, how can you justify so many more Japanese
(27:06):
civilian casualties compared to the relatively low number of civilian casualties.
All of this is just like nonsense because basically Japan
started it an unprovoked attack.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
You know, It's almost like.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
If you or I have a home invasion and the
guy comes in and he murders your wife, he rapes
your daughter, he kills your kids, he runs away. You
chase him, you grab your gun and chase him. He
gets into his car, but then he comes up with
his own wife and kids, sticks them in front of him,
and he basically goes, you can't shoot because you're going
(27:39):
to have civilian casualties. And you have to say to
that guy, well, listen, you are the one putting your
wife and family in danger. I'm not aiming at your wife.
I'm aiming at you, and deservedly so. And so you're
using your.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Own family as a human shield.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
So I think that in a way captures for me
the kind of moral analysis to apply here. And that's
why I find the kind of right wing critique of
Israel in some ways very baffling, although I try very
fair mindedly to engage it in the film.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
What is the end result here? I mean, Hamas still
has seven hundred days coming up on the two year anniversary.
Hamas still has over twenty or twenty ish. I believe hostages,
including unfortunately likely dead bodies that they're holding on to.
Is there hope in your mind for peace in the
Middle East. Trump has now been in office for a while.
(28:35):
There's been lots of talk about ceasefires and what some
sort of resolution for this process. Looks like Israel's been
at war for nearly two years now. There's big fights
inside of Israel over whether the supremely religious Orthodox Jews
should be called up to fight because they have mobilized
so many troops, men and women to fight. How does
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this end? What should be the conclusion?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Say that if the Bible is correct, this problem fundamentally
will not be solved, and by that I mean that
it will remain.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
A festering sore.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And that's really odd, right, because the India Pakistan issue
flares up, but then it swimmers down. The Northern Ireland
conflict has gone away. But somehow, in all my adult lifetime,
you've had American presidents marching over there with one piece
plan after another, from Carter to Clinton. This stuff never
gets sort of permanently fixed.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Now, having been having said that, I think.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
That Trump's idea, which is ultimately to fight this kind
of deep you can call it, you know, this jihadi enmity,
and replace it with sort of commercial prosperity. In other words,
replace it with washing machines and small apartments and everybody
gets their job. And the idea of maybe having an
administrative authority that's made up of the other Arab countries
(29:56):
in conjunction with the United States. So in other words,
you've got Egyptian from Saudi's and Jordanian's kind of watching
over Gaza.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
This is a kind of ingenious idea.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
To my knowledge, it's never been not only tried, it's
never been contemplated this week before. So I think Steve Witcoff,
the envoy, maybe onto something. And it's possible that we're
going to see progress, but I'll be going to see
an ultimate solution.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Uh, I don't think.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
So, Denash. We appreciate the time. We encourage people to
go check out the movie, and we hope you have
a fantastic weekend. The film's website is The Dragons Prophecy
dot com uh, and it will also have limited theater.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
The Dragons prophecyfilm dot com.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Ah. Sorry the drag.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Yeah, I didn't read enough of the link here The
Dragons prophecyfilm dot Com. We appreciate the time, Thank you.
Trailer also, by the way, linked at clayanbuck dot com
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Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get
your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show,
taking you into the weekend. A little bit of a
short week for a lot of people because of Labor Day,
and a lot of you have been weighing in for
a variety of different topics and I want to hit
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some of those.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Can I ask you a question, mister sportsman? Yes, right
after this, I'm actually gonna be watching a sporting event
with the masses, and it will be the tennis match
between Novak Djokovic and Carlos al Karaz Who does that
to win?
Speaker 5 (33:11):
That's at three easterns right after the show. So is
this a I don't even know what round they're in?
Is this a final eight? Is this the quarterfinals? Is
this the semi finals? I know it's not the championship.
My word, he's just he's just he's just messing with
me right now.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
There's no way you don't know anything about where the
US Open is right now America's premier tennis tournament, Clay.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
It's football season. There's no Americans. Do you see that?
Do you see that? He just he just kicked a
football right in the face of.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
I didn't realize I'm looking right now. So this thing
really does start in in like eight minutes.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
So I'm telling you, I'm I'm going I'm going Alcaaz
for the win on this one.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
But Djokovic, he's a He's a kg kat. That guy.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
You never know what he's gonna pull off. He's he's
almost forty and he's still playing amazing tennis. So this
is the semi finals. Is the last four guys and
the last four gals are playing it out in the
semi four. Oh no, I think the Yeah, that's right,
last four girls as well. So all right, there we go.
We can get to the talk back. I just presume
that it was going to be Alcarez in center. I
knew that they're the two best and that they had
been dominating the.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Djokovic fans don't want to hear this blasphemy. I would
love to.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
See Djokovic win, especially because we banned him from being
able to play in the US Open.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
A vax mandate hero. All right, now you can get
to the talkbacks and the good stuff. Uh, we just
got a couple of them here, I think lined up well.
First of all, VIP email, Sondra says, I'm going to
complain about Buck. I'm not wanting to, but every time
I hear him talk about Harry Potter, it disturbs me.
I have a son just like him.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
I understand the Chronicles of Narnia is an important part
of children's literature, but I can also tell you that
Harry Potter is just as important. Tell Buck to read them.
I read the Harry Potter books while I was in college, sorry,
law school, because I wanted to have something light to
read right before I was going to bed. So I
(35:06):
powered through all of these back in the day before
I had kids of my own. I know a lot
of you have watched the movies, but I'm telling you, yes,
in an ideal world, your kids would read the Chronicles
of Narnia, and they would also read the Hobbit series,
The Lord of the Rings, and they would read Harry Potter.
They would read everything. But if you need to get
(35:26):
them started in something, I think Harry Potter is a
pretty good way to get them engaged seven books, so
they grow with the books. Even Tom Clancy start them
out with the Hunt for Reddi. Come on, I mean
you and I were nerds, so we read those back
in the day. But but yeah, the average kid is
going to be all in on Harry Potter.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
People asked you.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
A lot like how I thought to join the CIA,
and yeah after nine to eleven, But why why did
my brain go to the CIA and not to the military,
like obviously at a lot of people did. Right away
Tom Clancy books. Straight off, I was like, Jack Ryan,
I could do what that guy did. That is how
I had no family ties, no nothing to any of that.
But I was like, yeah, that Jack Ryan guy. The
(36:08):
Tom Clancy books.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
We need to get.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
The Rutherford from our podcast now, Yes, next week, because
there's a big story out about Seal Team six North
Korea that The New York Times has published. I haven't
had the time to read the full totality of it,
but I do want to get his reaction to this
story at some point next week because I think it's
going to carry into the next week.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
And we hope all of you.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Have fantastic weekends watching football. Kicking back with your family.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
What's your best football pick right now for the for
the weekend. Who's gonna win the most important game? Oklahoma
is gonna blow Michigan out on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Book it
Third hour of play and Buck kicks off right now.
Thanks so much for being with us, everybody, appreciate all
of you listening to us here. And we're gonna dive
into a couple of stories. One is this boat, well,
I guess we'll call it a kinetic strike on a
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suspected NARCO vessel, NARCO terrorist vessel making its way through
the Caribbean to some trendshipment point to bring most likely fentanyl,
but could be cocaine, fentanyl, a whole bunch of different
things on that boat into the United States. And Pete Hegseth,
(00:41):
who's the Secretary of Defense and whom Clay and I
know personally pretty well. He spoke about this because there
is Look, there's just some facts that to be aware
of it. This is an escalation. We've never done this before,
so it is new. This is not business as usual
in fighting the cartels. We've never been in a position
(01:03):
where we've used an immediate lethal force on a non
immediate cartel or non immediate you know, drug trafficking threat.
Here is Secretary of Defense Hegseth speaking exactly about this
or inspecific about this situation.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Plate twenty one Legal Authority to depending on in both
to strike.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
That both full of drug smugglers.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
We have the absolute and complete authority to conduct that.
First of all, just the defense of the American people alone.
One hundred thousand Americans were killed each year under the
previous administration because of an open border, an open drug
traffic flow. That is an assault on the American people.
I said, we smoked the drug boat, and there's eleven
narco terrace at the bottom of the ocean, and when
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other people try to do that, they're going to meet
the same faith.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
What do you make of the clay?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I think the question is how do we solve the
issue of fentnyl coming across our southern border in particular,
but also increasingly northern border. It's getting into the country.
The drug war has failed. I think most of you
out there recognize the drug war has failed. When I
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was younger, and I think you were in this camp bug,
my inclination was just to say we should legalize more drugs,
we should spend less money fighting against it. But these
drugs are so strong and so many relatively young people
otherwise of good health are dying from them that I
don't think we can allow it into our country one
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hundred thousand people a year, again overwhelmingly in their teens, twenties, thirties, forties,
People with decades of healthy life to go are dying
from these drugs. So what do we have to change?
We need a game changing element to truly alter things,
because what we're doing right now, frankly, isn't working.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Now.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Securing the southern border is a huge part of this.
We have now done that, it appears there still is
a lot of fentanyl coming into the country. And I
talked about reading a big story from the New York
Times about how incredibly sophisticated the cartels have become when
it comes to getting illegal drugs. I mean they have submarines, they've.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Had submarines for a long time to clay. They're using drones,
and they've been using drones at the border for surveillance
of our border patrol and even sometimes to do drops. Yeah,
and part of the problem. And you know, I used
to going back a long time ago, I used to
occasionally spend some time with the NYPD CO located with DEA.
(03:40):
And obviously, when you're sitting with DEA, guys, what are
you talk to them about drug cartel stuff, right. Yeah,
they were there just in case we needed them as
a liaison during the counter terrorism work. But the things
that we would talk about, the sophistication of the cartels
was was extremely high. And one of the problems you
have is even as seizures go up, so as you
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get more of the illegal drugs, it's a supply and
demand curve, so price street price can go up. So
you have to, you know, to keep in mind that
if you were to if we were to get one
and or if we were to get rather three out
of four drug loads and take them out of circulation,
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it's still probably be very profitable for the cartels to
do what they're doing. That's the problem is that is
that you have this very steep economic analysis. I mean
you you brought this up in the context of if
somebody thinks that they can feed their family for a year,
are they going to Are there going to be people
willing to risk twenty years in prison to bring a
few kilos of cocaine into this country on a fast
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boat or you know, fentanyl, whatever it may be.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
The answer is yes.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
And for the cartels, even if there are seizures of
cartel product, they can still make a whole lot of
money if we were to double the level of seizures.
So this is the challenge in trying to stop this stuff.
It's there's a lot of money to be made in
this black market for drugs, which obviously is killing a
lot of Americans.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Well, I think the question I have and I don't
know the answer, but I think it's a worthy one
to contemplate and debate. Does blowing up a speedboat that
is filled with illegal drugs that reports are refused multiple
commands to stop, by the way, so this was not
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completely without some sort of provocation.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Can I add add to this, Clay. I think it's
important we have this discussion because Reuters was reporting there
have been there's been a deployment of ten fighter jets
to Puerto Rico to fight against drug cartels. Now that
hasn't been confirmed I think by the administration yet, but
that's what the report that I saw on Reuter's is.
So the four they're now moving and for deploying more
(05:54):
assets that would be capable of doing these kind of strikes.
So to your point, we better really be clear on
is this something we have a constitutional The president has
a constitutional and legal authority. I mean those are one
of the same, but legal authority to do uh. And
what will the effects beyond on the war on drugs?
I will say this, people say the war on drugs
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is filled. This does change the calculation. I think you
pointed this.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
This is my point.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yes, this is a different it's a different thing to
face getting blown up with a hell fire or missile
or whatever it is. My wife is pointing out also
that we have, according to her, and she's kind of
an expert on this from her law training, she says,
this is the first time that we have officially designated
terrorist organizations that are dealing drugs as terror organization, which
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changes the rules of engagement. Now I'm quoting her, well,
she's she's correct. And this is when we remember. I
think we talked to very high level intel sources in
this administration. Clay was there for most of it. Unfortunately,
when he showed up in flip flops of the White
House had to turn him away. But I just want
to get this legend started at Clay was just like, yo, dude,
(07:05):
I'm here for the I'm here for the high level intel.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I still don't have a real ID and they would
not allow me in to meet with the directors of Intelligence.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
We're gonna go back to the White House probably like
in the next few months. Can you please get a
real ID?
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Sir?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
All right, I don't have to tell everybody. I'm gonna
have to tattle tail on you to everybody again, get
a real ID, Clay.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
It's complicated. You have to make these appointments. I'm on
the air for four hours every day. It's not that
easy to just in the middle part of the day
go get a real ID. I have a passport. But
my thing here, in addition to all of this is
does it change the calculus? Every drug dealer and drug
smuggler in America is going to see that video, and
(07:47):
I think, I don't think it's irrational. Most people analyze
risk reward in everything that we do all day long,
and one risk, clearly of being a drug ug mule
is you get caught and you go to prison and
you potentially have to serve time.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
To ask you an honest question. And I don't because
I can't put myself in the in the mindset of
of one of these drug mules or cartel employees, whatever
whatever you want to call them. Does spending twenty five
years in a US federal prison seem worse to them
than maybe just getting blown up and getting it all
done once. I'm being you know, I don't know that
that could go either way. I think for some people, yeah,
(08:26):
I think it's a valid question. I think life risk
is different. So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
First of all, none of them unless you're a drug
mule listening right now and you want to call in
and tell us the drug mule thought process. As a
rational person, my analysis of people who are drug smugglers
is they see it as a way to make relatively
short period of time, life changing money for both them
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and their family. And if you are required to risk
time in prison in you at least know that at
some point in time you can return to your family.
I bet the cartels I don't know this, but I
bet the cartels give good payouts even if you get arrested.
I bet they go back and take care of your family.
To try to encourage people to continue to take care
of this risk. This is my depends on what I think.
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If you're a mule, maybe not.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
But if you're somebody, if you're like a sacario, you know,
as somebody that's done really nasty stuff off hotels. They
may do some of that, But Clay, I also think
that this is what I was going to say about
the Intel meetings and just the discussions that were going
on in the White House. We have an incredibly and
I saw this up firsthand, we have an incredibly sophisticated
(09:40):
counter terrorism and by that I just to get more specific,
Our ability to track, surveil, and blow up al Qaeda
style jihattis all over the world is pretty pretty incredible.
It has gotten to a point where the ability hit
HBTs in Yemen and Somalia, in Pakistani tribal areas, and
(10:05):
you name it is and there's a whole chain of
events that lead up to it, right, I mean, you know,
finding these people, surveiling these people, the target set, having
the whether it's drones or whatever it is, we're sending
it after them. It looks like this administration is gearing
up to use that very sophisticated counter terrorism infrastructure and
(10:26):
strike capability against the cartels who are now designated as
narco terrorists, as your wife rightly points out, and that
is a whole new level of something for the cartels
to be considering. I think getting blown up changes the calculus.
That's my ultimate analysis of the narco terror community. Because
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right now, your worst case scenario is taking drugs. I
guess your worst case scenario is the cartel could become
angry at you and decide to kill you, which is
why you do your job. But I don't think you're
anticipating that your boat may get blown And so every
narco terrorist in America is going to be seeing that video,
and I think it's going to set off alarm belt.
(11:07):
Here's the biggest problem though. The reason why the drug
trade exists is because there's lots of money to be
made from the drug trade, and ultimately people respond to
incentives when it comes to making money. To me, the
biggest challenge here is we haven't driven up the cost
of bringing drugs in to the point where it exceeds
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the profit opportunity from the drug dealer, and that is
ultimately why they're engaging in rational economic decision making, even
if we disagree with the choices that they're making. I
would also point out that in discussions that I had
with members of Border Patrol in years past, and particularly
under the Biden Free for All Open Border years, Clay
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the cartels at one point or at a certain phase
of this when the border was just wide open with
the ten million coming in, we're making more, they estimated
on human smuggling than on drug smuggling. So that means
billions of dollars billions and billions of dollars on effectively
controlling their side of the border. The the platza, right,
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they break these up into territories and you have to pay,
and that's where the wristbands that I've seen the cartel
wristbands and giant piles on the ground, because if you
don't have that wristband, I mean, they'll pull you aside
and execute you, right, I mean, you know, they'll do
terrible things to you. So you've got to have that
wristband the show that you paid. But Trump is shut
down that income stream. They're not coming into the country
anymore that way, which means that now they have a
(12:37):
greater desperation on getting money via the drug trafficking, which
is made substantially harder as well because the resources that
we're going to the humanitarian mission at the border, i e.
Taking in illegals, making sure they're not you know, dying
of some disease or something like that. Now that's all
focused on the so they have a higher need to
make money off the drug trade, and we have a
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greater focus and resource on the drug trade.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
So you know, this is a very different.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Situation than it was even eighteen months ago in terms
of what the cartels are facing and if we ramp
up the strikes, the attacks and the pressure on them,
this this isn't this is a new phase. That's all like,
this is a we have not seen something like this
in a long time.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Let me also, I'm gonna say this, every time we
have a discussion about drugs, you need to talk to
your kids and grandkids. They are often dying without even
understanding the drug that they're taking, so they can think
that they're taking a party drug. They can think, especially
go off to college, you're often you're in your twenties
in a college town, you're in a big city, and
(13:42):
you're off on your own. There are so many kids
that are dying of poisoning. They're not really dying of
overdosing because they're not they're not taking what they thought
they were taking. And you need to impress upon your
kids that the intermixing between these highly dangerous deadly drugs
and the ones they think are party drugs, which are
(14:02):
they're gonna be fine from and they're just gonna have
a great time. It's ecstasy ish, or it's cocaine, or
it's something that they're not afraid of dying from taking.
They need to understand that there is a huge risk.
And I but this is a sign of how crazy
it is. People who are huge party drug people are
now using strips to check and see before they take
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their party drugs, whether it's ventanyl or not. I don't
think there's a ton of college kids doing this. I
don't think that that's a die hard party drug person
who's doing that testing. But there are people basically dying
of poisoning, tens of thousands of them every single year.
Your kids need to know about this.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
We'll take your calls here coming up in a moment,
also again on some of your talkbacks, and we've got
Denesh Desuza will be with us talking about his new movie,
which I think you're gonna want to hear about or sure.
We like to cover the cultural angle of things here too,
And you know, we got we've got amazing job Clay
and I doing this radio show every day. You gotta
have a lot of energy, a lot of drive, a
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and he got through them, you need to have a.
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Pretty good job, dude, pretty good job. I thought, he's
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Speaker 1 (18:50):
Welcome back in everybody to Clay and Buck. We are
joined by Densh Desuza, author and filmmaker his latest film,
The Dragons Prophecy documentary together for release on October ninth,
and we wanted to talk about it. Denesh, I believe
today it's seven hundred days of war between Israel and Gaza.
This ties into your film tell us about the Dragon's prophecy.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Well, the film is based on the idea that October
seventh is not an ordinary attack. It's a kind of
a biblical event, in other words, just an event of
epical significance. And I think what the film does is
it tries to raise the level of the current debate.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Which is a little bit stuck.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
You know, on the left you keep hearing colonialism, colonialism, genocide.
Of course, on the right you have a different type
of critique that is made of Israel.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
This film, what it does is it exposes.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
The conflict in the light of ancient biblical battles between
the Israelites and the Philistines. Now, very interestingly, the word
Philistine and Palestinian are connected, they're in fact the same name.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
And one of the things we expose in the film
is the way in which the tactics of.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
The Palestinians resemble the battles.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Of the ancient Philistine.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
So it's a very creepy idea that the past is
now back to haunt us in a new way. But
we're throwing a kind of new light on these events.
Looking at it somewhat through the lens of the Bible.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
I was over there to Nash and I know some
people have had the opportunity to go visit the Kibbutz's
the Nova Music Festival location. I mean, it's really unbelievable,
I think to see in person and crystallizes what exactly happened.
I imagine you have some of that footage. I imagine that
(20:51):
you also have traveled to Israel. What did you find
when you have been to Israel itself? As part of
telling this story.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
First of all, we have October seventh footage that people
have literally never seen. The opening scene of the film
is so shocking that we have actually had some people
who get a bit squeamish about it. So there's a
little bit of a graphic violence warning. Because the weird
thing is after October seventh, the Israeli government made the
(21:20):
decision not to sort of release footage, even though some
of it had been live stream by Hamas. The Israeli
government said, basically, we're going to bring in small groups
of journalists, hoping that they're going to be fair and
well meaning.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
We'll show them.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
The footage so that they can then their eyes will
be open not realizing that these journalists from the BBC,
from AP, from Sky News, very left wing where had
no interest in taking a look at any of this
footage or seeing it significance at all. So we begin
the film basically by putting you right there.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
In October seventh.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Then we take you to the kibbutz's and we interview
survivors full of them. But again the stories are so
haunting their first person, they are people who saw it
with their own eyes, because I think you can't discuss
the war now without reference to a the events of
October seventh, then second, understanding the significance of those events.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
What do you think, Yeah, sorry, speaking to the Nesch
the Suz, I was going to build on that. You
mentioned the response on the right, where some people are
angry at Israel's response to Hamas. I don't think it
surprises people necessarily that the left in many ways has
taken the side of the Palestinians because they see them
(22:38):
as brown, they see them as the colonized, they see
Israel as the colonizer. It is a bastardized version of
history that they're applying. But what do you think about
the anti Israel element of the right that now exists
as well. What would you tell that those individuals.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Well, first of all, I would tell them I can
kind of understand where they're coming from. Where they're coming
from is that, you know, the United States has gotten
involved in a lot of foreign entanglements and it's generally
worked out pretty badly, at least in the last quarter
century Iraq.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Of course, a lot of these same conservatives are against the.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Ukraine War, so they're basically saying, well, why should we
be for Israel? And you know, an indifference to what's
happening in Ukraine, either we're in or out. The second
thing that they have is this concern that somehow the
Israeli tail is wagging the American dog. Now again, on
the face of it, this is a little absurd, right.
(23:35):
You have a country of what ten or twelve million people,
It's got a gross national product a tiny fraction of
the US. It's the size of New Jersey. It doesn't
have anything like the weaponry we do. So how this
little mosquito can somehow control the elephant is itself like baffling, right,
It doesn't make any sense. When I debated this with
(23:55):
Nick fluent Is a few months ago, I told him,
if the Jews can truly control America, maybe they are
the master race. You know, I was being sartastic, But
the point being that that the shoe that was raised
I think legitimately by Tucker Carlson in his discussion with
Ted Cruz is he said, are the Jews of today,
like Netanyahu's Jews, the true.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Descendants of the ancient.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Israelite This is a topic that is completely settled in
the movie, and we do it essentially through biblical archaeology,
so we kind of take you into the archaeological digs.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Part of it is, if I'm giving a.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Biblical analysis of what's going on, I want to consider
the skeptical question, how do we know the Bible is
even true? How do we know that the historical events
described in the Bible are even valid?
Speaker 6 (24:46):
Was there really a King David? Was there really an
Isaiah and a Jeremiah? And this is.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
An element that is shown in the movie, and it's
a very fascinating part of the puzzle.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Big Tonette Susa and we're talking to him about his
movie that's come out, and Denesh, why is it that
the way this issue lines up is right after the
October seventh events, And I mean right after, within certainly
a few days, if not ours, you had people whom
(25:19):
you would expect on the left and in the Democrat
Party saying we need to cease fire, which to me
and Clay and I said this repeatedly on the show.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Right away.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
This would have been like saying, right after the towers
had come down because of the mass casualty terror attack
on nine to eleven in this country, we need to
cease fire with al Qaeda, Like now's the time to
really just hold back and have it. It seemed crazy
and in most the most obvious bad faith. Where does
the left get this? Like why is the left dug
(25:50):
in on the side of Hamas and against Israel and
the Jewish people in this country?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
The left in a way accepts the premise of the
radical Muslims that Israel is the little Satan and.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
America is the great Satan.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
So when they start from that premise, that's says starting
out premise they consider Israel to be an illegitimate occupier
of that land. I think how crazy this is? Right,
the Jews have been there for four thousand years since
the days of Abraham. Sure they went into a diaspora,
but not of their own choosing. If the Jews had
(26:28):
packed up and left, I'd understand people would say, well,
you chose to leave, but they were pushed out, kicked out,
burned out, so they fled and then they returned to
their native homeland.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
So I think that. I think that.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
And then if you look at the example of America,
you gave the example of nine to eleven, but you
could look at Pearl Harbor, you could look at Germany.
Imagine if we were to say, after Pearl Harbor, listen,
there were only a few thousand Americans killed in Pearl Harbor.
Why did the United States have to go to Japan
and draw up atomic bombs? And with contemplating an invasion
of Japan, how can you justify so many more Japanese
(27:06):
civilian casualties compared to the relatively low number of civilian casualties.
All of this is just like nonsense because basically Japan
started it an unprovoked attack.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
You know, It's almost like.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
If you or I have a home invasion and the
guy comes in and he murders your wife, he rapes
your daughter, he kills your kids, he runs away. You
chase him, you grab your gun and chase him. He
gets into his car, but then he comes up with
his own wife and kids, sticks them in front of him,
and he basically goes, you can't shoot because you're going
(27:39):
to have civilian casualties. And you have to say to
that guy, well, listen, you are the one putting your
wife and family in danger. I'm not aiming at your wife.
I'm aiming at you, and deservedly so. And so you're
using your.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Own family as a human shield.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
So I think that in a way captures for me
the kind of moral analysis to apply here. And that's
why I find the kind of right wing critique of
Israel in some ways very baffling, although I try very
fair mindedly to engage it in the film.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
What is the end result here? I mean, Hamas still
has seven hundred days coming up on the two year anniversary.
Hamas still has over twenty or twenty ish. I believe hostages,
including unfortunately likely dead bodies that they're holding on to.
Is there hope in your mind for peace in the
Middle East. Trump has now been in office for a while.
(28:35):
There's been lots of talk about ceasefires and what some
sort of resolution for this process. Looks like Israel's been
at war for nearly two years now. There's big fights
inside of Israel over whether the supremely religious Orthodox Jews
should be called up to fight because they have mobilized
so many troops, men and women to fight. How does
(28:56):
this end? What should be the conclusion?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Say that if the Bible is correct, this problem fundamentally
will not be solved, and by that I mean that
it will remain.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
A festering sore.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And that's really odd, right, because the India Pakistan issue
flares up, but then it swimmers down. The Northern Ireland
conflict has gone away. But somehow, in all my adult lifetime,
you've had American presidents marching over there with one piece
plan after another, from Carter to Clinton. This stuff never
gets sort of permanently fixed.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Now, having been having said that, I think.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
That Trump's idea, which is ultimately to fight this kind
of deep you can call it, you know, this jihadi enmity,
and replace it with sort of commercial prosperity. In other words,
replace it with washing machines and small apartments and everybody
gets their job. And the idea of maybe having an
administrative authority that's made up of the other Arab countries
(29:56):
in conjunction with the United States. So in other words,
you've got Egyptian from Saudi's and Jordanian's kind of watching
over Gaza.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
This is a kind of ingenious idea.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
To my knowledge, it's never been not only tried, it's
never been contemplated this week before. So I think Steve Witcoff,
the envoy, maybe onto something. And it's possible that we're
going to see progress, but I'll be going to see
an ultimate solution.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Uh, I don't think.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
So, Denash. We appreciate the time. We encourage people to
go check out the movie, and we hope you have
a fantastic weekend. The film's website is The Dragons Prophecy
dot com uh, and it will also have limited theater.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
The Dragons prophecyfilm dot com.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Ah. Sorry the drag.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Yeah, I didn't read enough of the link here The
Dragons prophecyfilm dot Com. We appreciate the time, Thank you.
Trailer also, by the way, linked at clayanbuck dot com
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taking you into the weekend. A little bit of a
short week for a lot of people because of Labor Day,
and a lot of you have been weighing in for
a variety of different topics and I want to hit
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some of those.
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Can I ask you a question, mister sportsman? Yes, right
after this, I'm actually gonna be watching a sporting event
with the masses, and it will be the tennis match
between Novak Djokovic and Carlos al Karaz Who does that
to win?
Speaker 5 (33:11):
That's at three easterns right after the show. So is
this a I don't even know what round they're in?
Is this a final eight? Is this the quarterfinals? Is
this the semi finals? I know it's not the championship.
My word, he's just he's just he's just messing with
me right now.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
There's no way you don't know anything about where the
US Open is right now America's premier tennis tournament, Clay.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
It's football season. There's no Americans. Do you see that?
Do you see that? He just he just kicked a
football right in the face of.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
I didn't realize I'm looking right now. So this thing
really does start in in like eight minutes.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
So I'm telling you, I'm I'm going I'm going Alcaaz
for the win on this one.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
But Djokovic, he's a He's a kg kat. That guy.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
You never know what he's gonna pull off. He's he's
almost forty and he's still playing amazing tennis. So this
is the semi finals. Is the last four guys and
the last four gals are playing it out in the
semi four. Oh no, I think the Yeah, that's right,
last four girls as well. So all right, there we go.
We can get to the talk back. I just presume
that it was going to be Alcarez in center. I
knew that they're the two best and that they had
been dominating the.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Djokovic fans don't want to hear this blasphemy. I would
love to.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
See Djokovic win, especially because we banned him from being
able to play in the US Open.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
A vax mandate hero. All right, now you can get
to the talkbacks and the good stuff. Uh, we just
got a couple of them here, I think lined up well.
First of all, VIP email, Sondra says, I'm going to
complain about Buck. I'm not wanting to, but every time
I hear him talk about Harry Potter, it disturbs me.
I have a son just like him.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
I understand the Chronicles of Narnia is an important part
of children's literature, but I can also tell you that
Harry Potter is just as important. Tell Buck to read them.
I read the Harry Potter books while I was in college, sorry,
law school, because I wanted to have something light to
read right before I was going to bed. So I
(35:06):
powered through all of these back in the day before
I had kids of my own. I know a lot
of you have watched the movies, but I'm telling you, yes,
in an ideal world, your kids would read the Chronicles
of Narnia, and they would also read the Hobbit series,
The Lord of the Rings, and they would read Harry Potter.
They would read everything. But if you need to get
(35:26):
them started in something, I think Harry Potter is a
pretty good way to get them engaged seven books, so
they grow with the books. Even Tom Clancy start them
out with the Hunt for Reddi. Come on, I mean
you and I were nerds, so we read those back
in the day. But but yeah, the average kid is
going to be all in on Harry Potter.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
People asked you.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
A lot like how I thought to join the CIA,
and yeah after nine to eleven, But why why did
my brain go to the CIA and not to the military,
like obviously at a lot of people did. Right away
Tom Clancy books. Straight off, I was like, Jack Ryan,
I could do what that guy did. That is how
I had no family ties, no nothing to any of that.
But I was like, yeah, that Jack Ryan guy. The
(36:08):
Tom Clancy books.
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We need to get.
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The Rutherford from our podcast now, Yes, next week, because
there's a big story out about Seal Team six North
Korea that The New York Times has published. I haven't
had the time to read the full totality of it,
but I do want to get his reaction to this
story at some point next week because I think it's
going to carry into the next week.
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And we hope all of you.
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Have fantastic weekends watching football. Kicking back with your family.
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What's your best football pick right now for the for
the weekend. Who's gonna win the most important game? Oklahoma
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