August 28, 2025 • 37 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show dives deep into the intersection of crime policy, gun control, mental health, and political accountability. Clay and Buck analyze the dramatic 87% drop in carjackings in Washington, DC, crediting President Trump’s federal crime surge and highlighting Mayor Muriel Bowser’s praise for the initiative. They discuss the broader implications of violent crime in American cities, citing an AP poll showing 99% of Americans view urban crime as a major or minor issue. The hosts criticize Democratic leadership for lacking effective crime solutions and argue that law enforcement—not social workers—is key to reducing violent crime.
The hour features a provocative interview with Trey Gowdy, former congressman and Fox News contributor, who defends his viral comments on mass shootings and gun control. Gowdy emphasizes balancing constitutional freedoms with public safety, advocating for stronger enforcement of existing gun laws and mental health evaluations. The conversation explores the role of parents, red flag laws, and the definition of mass shootings, sparking debate over whether any new legislation could have prevented recent tragedies like the Minneapolis school shooting.
Clay and Buck also provide an economic update, celebrating Q2 2025 GDP growth revised to 3.3% and inflation nearing the Fed’s 2% target, branding it the “Trump economy 2.0.” They touch on media bias, the cultural impact of mental illness narratives, and the political fallout from crime-related policies.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in our number three Thursday edition, Clay Travis
buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with
us as we roll through the program. Trey Goudi from
Fox new Who's gonna join us at the bottom of
the hour. He's got a new book out scheduled for
several weeks to come on and talk about us before
(00:20):
his comments went viral, and we'll play them for you,
so for him, let him react to them. If you
don't know, then you will find out at the bottom
of the hour. Thanks to our caller Lisa, who we
just finished the hour with. I think that was It's
tough to listen to hear I think for a lot
of parents and grandparents out there, but I believe that
(00:43):
so much of this story, they have tried to prey
on emotion over logic, and they make you feel like
you are the one who is the problem. And I
do think if you go back and you listen to
that call, and I appreciate her calling in and sharing
hers experience. So much of being a parent is oftentimes
(01:06):
having to tell your kid something that they don't have
enough experience about. And everyone out there who's a parent
knows it and they may not one hundred percent listen
to you. But your job is to get them as
healthy as you can to eighteen and nineteen years old
when they become adults of their own, and you try
to limit decisions that can be incredibly debilitating that your
(01:29):
child will make, and that can be really in the
grand scheme of things, not hugely significant necessarily, Hey, maybe
don't drive the car really fast. Hey, maybe you learn
how to stop at a stop sign. Hey, maybe do
your homework and get ready to take the SAT or
the act. Things that can get a college application done,
things that you have to kind of ride your kids on.
(01:50):
And we fight so hard to try to keep them
on the right path to success. And then they tell
you emotional blackmail, and you could hear it in her voice,
and you could feel the challenge that she was grappling with.
And I think they have put sadly, so many parents
and grandparents in positions like we just heard Lisa in.
So we appreciate her calling in. With that in mind.
(02:13):
There are other things going on in the world right
now than just what happened yesterday in Minneapolis. We have
continued to talk about it. We've talked about it a
great deal, But I did want to update you with
a couple of other things that I think are very significant.
First of all, good news on the economy, and this
slid under the radar because there's so much attention right
(02:33):
now on Minnesota, in Minneapolis and everything surrounding that. But
Rick Santelli on CNBC this morning, it turns out second
quarter GDP growth was actually even better than the forecast showed,
and inflation was actually even lower.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
That is, we grew.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Faster and things cost less than even we expected. Here
is cut twenty four. This is what it sounded like
on CNBC with Rick Santelli this morning.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Our second walk around the block on GDP will underscore
the tuggawar and the economy between quarters that are weak
and quarters that are strong. Import, exports, tariffs, We have
a lot of push and pull based on some of
the issues of the day. We are expecting this number
to improve slightly and the revisions our second look at
second quarter GDP are now hitting the wires. Three percent
(03:28):
was our last look. It now jumps up to three
point three percent, but from a comp basis, that would
still be the best quarter since September of twenty three.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Third quarter of twenty three.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Okay, good numbers there. Inflation also lower than expectation, back
near the FEDS target rate of two percent, so I
want to continue to update you on that in the
context new record highs today at the S and P
five hundred, new record highs at the Dow.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
When it comes to the dal Jones.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Well a little bit below the record No, yeah, I'm
looking at right now in real time, buck math, always
a little bit below where the record high is. S
and P five hundred is setting a record high. That's
very good for your four oh one k everything out there.
Stocks have never been higher basically than they are right
now in Trump economy two point zero. Also, I wanted
to play this for you guys because one of the
(04:26):
big stories of the last two or three weeks has
been Trump taking over the National Guard in DC taking
over the Metro Police. And I got to give credit
to DC Mayor Muriel Bowser before I play this, Buck,
you said on the show a couple of weeks ago, Hey,
I kind of think Muriel Bowser agrees with a lot
of what Trump is doing, based on some of the
(04:47):
conversations you had had behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I kind of know someone who knows the mayor really
well and new for a fact. So I wish I
could I wish I could say that I just read
the tea leaves on this one. But this was spybuck,
you know what I'm saying. This was me running running
assets behind the enemy launter in counter intel. You had
knowledge that the mayor actually agrees with a lot of
(05:09):
the Trump policies on well, never say so like that,
but yeah, the mayor, Bowser would like DC crime to
be lower, and she's very She wants more business investment,
and she wants safer streets, which, by the way, good
for her. The fact that she can she say that
out loud though in that way, is telling you a
lot about the politics of DC.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
All Right, So we've got Muriel Bowser here. She is
saying eighty seven percent reduction in carjackings, which were one
of the crimes that had skyrocketed in Washington, d C.
And giving praise to all of the assistants now that
exists in Washington, d C.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Cut nineteen, We greatly appreciate the surge of officers that
enhance what MPD has been able to do in this
city for carjacking. The difference between this period, This twenty
day period of this federal surge and last year represents
(06:08):
a eighty seven percent reduction in carjackings in Washington DC.
We know that when carjackings go down, when the use
of gun goes down, when homicidal robbery go down, neighborhoods
feel safer and are safer. So this surge has been
(06:29):
important to us for that reason.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
You know, this surrives me. I feel like Trump should
have a Colonel Nathan R. Jessep moment where he's just like,
I would rather you just say thank you or man
a post. When it comes to the Democrats who have
opposed Trump on this crime thing, they should just say
I mean, especially the ones who live in DC, they
should just say thank you because he's right and it's
helping and it's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
This is a stat that I thought was staggering. They
pulled the AP, so this is not right wing poll you.
The AP Associated Press did a poll. They said, do
you think that crime is out of control? Basically a
major issue in big cities in America. Eighty one percent
(07:16):
of people said it was eighty one percent buck eighteen
percent said it's an issue, but it's a minor issue
not a major issue. So ninety nine percent of Americans
say that big city crime is either a major eighty
one percent or minor eighteen percent issue. One percent of
(07:40):
people said it's not an issue. Democrats have hooked their wagon,
hooked their horses to the wagon of crime is not
that big of a deal. It's actually way better than
you think. Trump is a dictator because he's trying to
drive down crime. I just got to give trummenduscredit to
(08:01):
Trump for his political instincts and being totally and completely
wrong on a right on this, and I gotta give
Mayor a Muriel Bowser. This is how real politician should work.
I understand if they have disagreements, they have two different
political parties, all those things. Conflict is not bad when
it's rational, reasonable conflict about the direction that something should go.
(08:25):
Crime should not be an issue of conflict. We should
all as you just heard me say. The AP says
ninety nine percent of people say crime is even either
a major or minor.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Issue in big cities in America.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Maybe maybe Trump is just right about this issue, and
it's better if there's less violent crime. Buck eighty seven
percent decline in carjackings do you know everybody out there.
Carjackings aren't an incredibly violent crime. You are using a weapon,
generally speaking, to get someone who is in a car,
(08:59):
dragging them out, forcing them out. Sometimes there are kids involved,
babies if you have car seats. It's not like you
can easily get a child out. It happens every now
and then. A carjacking where there's still a baby in
the back of the car you take off speeding. A
carjacking typically is really four or five crimes all rolled
into one. To knock them down by eighty seven percent
(09:23):
is flat out extraordinary. And again, I think this just
shows that it's not an intractable, unsolvable problem. The question
has just been is there a will to actually address
violent crime?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
And with Trump there is, and we're seeing the results
which we knew what happened, because it turns out what
is obviously true is obviously true. Look at that more cops,
more resources, less opportunity for criminals to get away with things,
you're going to get less crime. Generally, you get more
(09:59):
of what you encourage, you get less of what you discourage.
Discouraging the criminal element in DC from doing what they
do is a good thing. And yet here we are
still having so many Democrats pretend that somehow there's something
wrong with Trump's approach on this, in fact, worse than wrong.
I mean they think it is it is you know, evil,
(10:21):
it is undermining our sacred democracy. They say all kinds
of crazy stuff. Notice one thing you won't hear them say,
we have a different plan to bring crime down. And
the ones who are foolish enough to actually go there,
like the Mayor of Chicago, their answers, or rather their
their planning is laughable. More social workers has not, will
(10:45):
not and never will assist in bringing down serious violent
crime in any way you can measure, and in any
way that anybody would consider serious. So they don't have
an alternative. So really, what the Democrats have is because
we don't want law enforcement to seem rate, and because
we don't want Trump to seem correct, and we certainly
don't want to have to admit we're wrong. As Democrats,
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we would rather more people be carjacked, more people be shot,
and bad things continue to happen in American cities. Then
would happen if we just let Republicans like Trump do
what they want to do and do what they know
should be done. That's as simple as this is clay.
That's it. You know. It's just like we said with
the Biden border. You either deport people and discourage i
legal crossings, or you encourage it and you get ten
(11:27):
million people coming into the country. It's very straightforward.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I think deep down Democrats are like, oh, wow, this
is working because I think they really thought, oh, there's
nothing we can do about crime. And I think they're
starting to recognize when you got ninety nine percent of
people saying it's either a major or minor issue in
big cities in America. I'm not saying the one percent.
(11:51):
I'm trying to think of something that I would believe
that I would be willing to go to the mat
on that ninety nine percent of people would disagree with me.
I'm not saying the one percent is always wrong. It's
pretty hard to for the one percent argument to win,
you know, if you have a honest, in any.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Way impartial media. And I think Trump is winning.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
And I think candidly even a lot of left wing
journalists who claim that they hate Trump agree with him
on the DC crime related issue. We'll play some cuts
by the way for you when we come back in
a little bit from Caroline Levitt who had a White
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Speaker 1 (12:55):
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Speaker 2 (15:19):
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He's got a book out and he was on TV
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human intelligence, right? I mean I can neither confirm nor deny,
but I can just tell you that I knew that
the mayor was going to say what she said weeks
before she or a couple of weeks before she said it,
because Yeah, I've got sources close to even some Democrats
that I give.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Her a lot of credit for being willing to I
can't believe we're here, but just being willing to say
objectively true things, even if they happen to correspond with
President Trump's decisions. There are most Democrats won't do it.
And this is how it should be. This is what
the mayor of Chicago should be saying, Hey, we want
all the federal support we can get. We want to
(17:05):
have a lower crime rate. This is what the mayor
of la should be saying. I don't know why you
would turn down opportunities to drastically lower your crime rate
if they were available to you. This is common sense.
Every city in America should be begging for the President
to offer as many resources to them as possible.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yes, this should be very straightforward. Reminds me in the
I think underrated movie Boiler Room, when he's teaching his
new sales associates how to get someone to say yes.
He's like, if you were drowning and I threw you
a life preserver, would you take it? Yes? Okay, great,
you know, like just getting it. Yeah. It's kind of
like that with the crime things, like if I could
help you get less carjackings, less murders, less robberies, would
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and that's why they have the lowest approval rating they've had.
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Speaker 1 (18:56):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. We are book
Do we have him? Okay, we have Congressman Trey Goudi
with us now. He's got a brand new book out.
Appreciate him joining us and Trey. I got to start
with this because everybody. We said you were coming on,
(19:17):
and they said, are you going to ask him about
what he said yesterday on Fox News? And so we
have this clip. You know what you're walking into here.
I was like, oh man, this timing was a hell
of a timing here. So before we get into the book,
before we dive into that, here is yesterday Congressman Trey
Goudi on Fox News.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
Our system is reactive. Something bad happens, we react to it.
And what people are crying for now is how can
we prevent this?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
How can we stop it?
Speaker 6 (19:45):
And the only way to stop it is to identify
the shooter ahead of time or keep the weapons out
of their hands. And so we're going to have to
have a conversation of freedom versus protecting children. I mean,
how many school shootings does it take before we're going
to have a conversation about keeping firearms out. It's always
a young white male, almost always. I mean, did anyone
(20:07):
this morning think I wonder if that was a female?
Did any of y'all think that? I mean, there's been
one school shooting involving a female one Tennessee. But other
than that, it is usually young white males.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
All Right, this is reacting live, Yeah, and turn your
mentions off, Trey.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
But what do you wish social media?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I know you're not. That's good for you.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
That's good for you right now, Okay, with a day
to reflect, what do you wish you would have said?
Would you change any of the commentary that we just
played there?
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Now? I mean, obviously, if I had a longer format,
which I had for sixteen years, I could extrapolate on
what's that? What I meant by that, I mean we
have gun control. There are controls on who can have guns,
where you can have them, and what kind of guns
you can. Have spent six years prosecuting gun cases and
then ten years prosecuting murder cases. My point was pretty simple,
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and actually I don't understand the argument against it. By
the time a murder takes place, we've already lost somebody's
been killed. How can we prevent the murder? So you
either focus on the shooter or you track the firearm.
And if you track this firearm, it was lawfully purchased.
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So I don't I really defy anyone to say, knowing
everything we know now, I would still sell three firearms
to this shooter. Because what you're saying is that you're
okay with what happened, we would not do anything to
change it.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
But on what, on what legal basis, Trey, would you
not have sold the firearms to this individual?
Speaker 6 (21:55):
I think if you did even a cursory review from
a mental health standpoint, this person doesn't need a pair
of scissors or a plastic fork.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Wouldn't that be sorry to cut you off? But wouldn't
that be a I always come back to parenting. I
don't understand how this person who is clearly mentally ill.
I think most school shootings or most mass shootings in
general that are like these, someone is mentally ill, and
so to me, I look at it and I say,
Mom or Dad, just like with the crazy trans chicken Nashville,
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and just like this crazy trans dude in Minneapolis, Mom
and dad, if they were paying any attention at all,
should have said this person should not have access to firearms.
I look at it as parenting, So one, I want
to get your thoughts on that. Secondly, the way we
define mass shooting is I think often broken, because most
(22:49):
mass shooters are not young male white males like you said,
It's mostly young black men who commit the vast majority
of murders who commit the vast majority of violent So
I do think a lot of people reacted not only
to what you said, but you saying, hey, it's almost
always white males.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Yeah. When I consider mass shooting, I don't accept the
FBI's definition of it. If you accept the FBI's definition,
we've had what seven hundred mass shootings, So, you know,
to rival gang shooting each other out over a drug turf,
I don't consider that to be a mass shooting. I
consider a mass shooting to be Sandy Hook, Columbine Valdi,
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what happened in Tennessee, what happened yesterday, completely innocent targets
that had absolutely nothing to do with whoever the perpetrator was.
Las Vegas is another perfect example of what I consider
to be a mass shooting. So the former prosecutor in
me rejects the notion of how the FBI tracks mass shootings.
(23:56):
The answer to your second to your first question about parenting,
we should do. I think we're in one accord. They're
the Crumbly parents were prosecuted because they had either actual
or constructive knowledge that their son was going to do
something with a firearm at that school, and they wound
up being prosecuted. So it always gives a little bit
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dangerous when you start holding children of parents responsible for
the actions of their children. But when you can prove
that the parent knew or should have known, and did
not take any steps to do so, I mean, it's
rare for parents to go ask that their children be
involuntarily committed. It would be rare for a parent to
(24:38):
call the police in a state that had a red
flag law. So how else if the parents parents are
notoriously non objective. I mean, that's why we love them.
We're not objective about our children. Our parents are not
always objective about us. But the price that we are
paying right now, I mean, we've had school shooting after
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school shooting, after school shoot, and I wholeheartedly agree with
the notion. In fact, in my hometown we have a
police presence and every school and that deters. So what
the president is doing in DC works police presence deters.
This was a private school, so government cannot dictate to
a private religious school that you must have armed guards.
(25:21):
So my point is, you know, and honestly I caught
it from the left end right yesterday. The left didn't
like the fact that I made mention of Jesus. The
right didn't like factor the fact that I mentioned gun control.
But what I think some people maybe lose sight of
is we already have gun control. You and I cannot
walk into certain places with a fully automatic machine gun.
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That is gun control. The question is can we find
something to lower the number of the mass shooting story
I defined them?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Well, okay, Trey, waita, I need you to help me
out here for a second. So like I lived in
New York City and in Times Square there are big
signs that say gun free zone, and there are still
shootings in Times Square because the people that are going
to shoot people don't care about the signs. So when
you're talking about gun control, are you? It's sounding to
me and I could be missing this, Like you think
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there's a better way to do gun control instead of
we have a ton of gun control already and it
doesn't work to stop mass shootings like this, So why
would we do more gun control? Can you help me
untangle that?
Speaker 6 (26:26):
Sure? Yeah, I did it. I did it when I
was a state prosecutor. I called the FEDS in and said,
we're going to have summer of silence. We're not going
to wait. I mean, look, if I'm prosecuting murder case,
I've lost somebody's already dead. So I got with the
US Attorney's Office because they have really, really strict firearms statutes.
There are a number of people prohibited from possessing firearms
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court martial, adjudicated mentally ill felons subject to a court
order and a restraining order, and domestic violence case here
in the country. Unlawfully. That's a big one that never
gets talked about. You cannot lawfully possess parral No, I get.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
It, Well, so what does that have to do with
what we just saw in the shooting in Minneapolis?
Speaker 6 (27:08):
Though prosecute Well, that's my point is do we have
a law that would have prevented what happened yesterday? And
if we don't have a law, can we fashion one
that balances people's freedom?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
And I think the answer is no, Trey. I think
this is why people on the right are upset at you.
I think the answer is there is no answer for
is there a law that will balance freedom with and
stop balance freedom with the need to protect the public
and stop something like this Unless you're going to talk
about red flag laws, mental health stuff and really get
deep into that. But that's a that's a stick.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
You just that we're just going to live with these
mass shootings.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Well, I think one thing we could do is, and
I'll ask you this, I mean we've been asking this
question if you look. You mentioned mass shootings, so specifically
taking the school shooting as an example, The school shooter
in Nashville clearly trans meted up on all sorts of things. Mentally,
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we agree that parents clearly should not have had these
people with guns, right, same thing I think is true
now in Minneapolis, former student. I think one thing we
could do is address should we be giving these people
the medication that I think is prone to making them
more violent as and then taking their anger and their
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violence out on the schools. That would be one answer
for me is we should have a big investigation because
the trans community is very small. There are not very
many people who are trans, and now we have two
different trans people who have shown up at Christian schools
and slaughtered innocent kids.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Well, yeah, I mean traded to answer your question because
you said, well, then we have to just live with
these shootings. The reality, I think as we see it,
is that a big problem is that you have people
you have a class of people right now, a group
of people who are being told that there's a genocide
being perpetrated against them by the biggest voices in the
Democrat Party, by the biggest newspapers, by some of the
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biggest channels on TV, and by the culture more broadly,
and that that's essentially a celebration of a dangerous men,
or rather celebrating a mental illness which can create, in
some circumstances, a dangerous outcome, like we have seen now
more than once, as you pointed out, including at the
Comington school shooting. But you get into the gun side
of this specifically, I'm still I don't know what So
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if we want to have a conversation about mental health,
we want to have a conversation about not celebrating mental illness.
That I'm all for. But on the gun side of it,
I mean, you had to prosecute people for gun law violations.
There's a ton of different ways you can be prosecuted
for gun stuff. As you know better than ninety nine
percent of the population, there's no perfect security and there's
no perfect way to get everybody. I mean, the truth
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is Trey mass shootings actually are rare. So when you
say we're gonna live with mass shootings. You know, it
sounds a little bit like what the Democrats say, which
is if we can just have one, you know, let's
get the only ten round magazines that'll save people. Let's
not have ar fifteen's in this state that'll save people sans.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Ten people are dead. That just means ten people are dead.
So I've never talked about magazine capacity because that just
tells me you will accept ten deb people, but you
won't accept eleven.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
But I mean, if you're if you're somebody who doesn't think,
if there's not a law that you can come up with,
given what you used to do, that would have stopped this,
that is workable, My point is maybe there's not a
law that is workable that would stop something like this,
and maybe that is actually the reality we deal with
in a free society. It's tragic, but it's true.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
Well I would so I don't know the last time
you travel, but wait in line a long time to
board a plane because we said, never again is someone
going to do something with an airplane. I have to
show ID almost everywhere I go, And so we're willing
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to trade in certain pockets of our lives. We are
willing to trade a little bit of inconvenience for public safety.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
But isn't the two a community already trading a lot.
I mean, we got we got all these rules, it's
my point. I mean, so it's like, if one person
once a year is able to do something on a plane,
does that mean we're gonna add more rules than.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
We actually just got rid of the liquid thing? And
there's not a constitutional right to air travel. I think
a lot of Second Amendment people would say, so, what
would your solution.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Let's close it up this way. Let me let me
tell you this, Trey.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
By the way, the book is the color of death,
Trey Gouty, I want to make sure that we address this.
Let's pretend that I gave you a magic wand and
you could design a system that would stop uh excess
violent death while also preserving everyone's constitutional rights. What would
that look like in the mind of sorcerer magician Trey GOUTI.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Well, I would do what I did. For six years,
the Obama administration had a namically low firearms prosecutions. To
talk about gun control for eight years, their gun prosecutions
were animically low, And I get that it is not
nearly as sexy to prosecute a possession a fellow in
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a possession of a firearm case as murder. But that's
what you have to do. You have to enforce the
laws that you currently have, which we are not doing.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Ray. That's a totally separate I mean, when you're talking
about the Obama administration wasn't and this was true with
Krasner as the DA in Philadelphia. You know this, They
weren't pushing those cases because it disproportionately affected the minority community.
Young black men were being prosecuted at much higher rates
for those. That's a totally separate thing from somebody who's
a complete lunatic who wants to go up and shoot
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up a school. Like you can prosecute all the gang
members you want across the country, that's not going to
stop what happened in Minneapolis. When we both know.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
No one of the prohibited persons is whether or not
you've been adjudicated mentally ill.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
And had this person been adjudicated mentally ill, I'm not
aware of that if that was the case, right, But
that's my point.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Had anybody tried, had anybody sought an involuntary confinement, had
it or or when we go back to Congress. It
was the Republicans conservatives who said, the fact that a
SOB security judge has deemed you disabled due to a
mental illness is not a bar to you possessing a firearm.
(33:23):
I wonder if we could go back in time, if
we would tweak our position.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
If you're advocating for something that would not have made
any difference to the shooting that we just happened as
a solution to the shooting, Tred's that's where I think
there's a problem.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Well, well then then I would ask you what would
you do? Or are we just going to accept and
grieve in the aftermath of more.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I mean we talked, we talked extensively yesterday about about
putting more armed security in places like schools. I don't
know if you know this tray we actually had on
Mary Margaret Olan who said Catholic schools in Minnesota specifically
after Comington went to the governor and said, hey, we
need help, we want more armed guards. Now, I'm not
saying that's a cure all, but it is something and
it is something that, by the way, this shooter took
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into account. So this was part of the calculation. There
was no arm security at this school, so it's not
a do nothing thing, Trey. It sounds a lot like
a gun grabbing democrat point of view on this one.
This is why you're catching all the heat, my friend.
I'm a little surprised, is he gone? Huh? Well? He
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Color of Death is his book? Was? I was?
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I being no, I'm just I'm surprised he hung up.
I think that's the first. I think that's the first
hang up we've had.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Am I wrong? I don't think Penn. I'm just gonna
tell you guys right now. I've always I think Trey
is a nice guy. Come on, man, like we're just
exchanging ideas here. That was totally polite. I'm gonna you
know what, Trey, I'm gonna give We were pushing your book.
I'm going to give you the last word. The Color
of Death is the book. Tell us what your what
(35:06):
your final thoughts are on this one. We'll give you
last word.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Well, you know, I did not feel comfortable pushing the
book yesterday in light of real life grief. This is fictional,
but if people want to know what it's like to
prosecute a murder case, you know, I don't think the
media you get to write about the interaction between cops
and prosecutors, victims and prosecutors, the bond that exists. So
(35:30):
I wanted to write a real life account of what
it's like to try to catch a killer from the
moment the crime happens, admitting that by the time the
murder takes place, there's already been a loss of life.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
But that happens.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
It happens all the time. It's what I did for
ten years, and I want people to have a realistic
view of what that's like because mini series, movies and
television shows don't get it right.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
All right, Okay, well leave it there for trade. Thank
you for making the time for us, and thanks for
answering our questions. That we appreciate it now.
Speaker 6 (36:02):
They're great questions. Look, I mean, I want to keep
having the conversation, and I appreciate you. Look, I mean
we I think we all agree we would like a
safer society without doing violence to our freedoms. And I
think you and I want to get to the same place,
and I respect you, even if we may have slightly
different paths on how to get there. I am not
(36:24):
wed to my way. If there is a better way.
I just I it just breaks my heart as I
know it does yours to see dead innocent victims.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Well, that's well said, Trey, and we appreciate that. We
agree with that, and thank you for coming on.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
God bless you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Guys. All right, we will be right back.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
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Welcome back in our number three Thursday edition, Clay Travis
buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with
us as we roll through the program. Trey Goudi from
Fox new Who's gonna join us at the bottom of
the hour. He's got a new book out scheduled for
several weeks to come on and talk about us before
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his comments went viral, and we'll play them for you,
so for him, let him react to them. If you
don't know, then you will find out at the bottom
of the hour. Thanks to our caller Lisa, who we
just finished the hour with. I think that was It's
tough to listen to hear I think for a lot
of parents and grandparents out there, but I believe that
(00:43):
so much of this story, they have tried to prey
on emotion over logic, and they make you feel like
you are the one who is the problem. And I
do think if you go back and you listen to
that call, and I appreciate her calling in and sharing
hers experience. So much of being a parent is oftentimes
(01:06):
having to tell your kid something that they don't have
enough experience about. And everyone out there who's a parent
knows it and they may not one hundred percent listen
to you. But your job is to get them as
healthy as you can to eighteen and nineteen years old
when they become adults of their own, and you try
to limit decisions that can be incredibly debilitating that your
(01:29):
child will make, and that can be really in the
grand scheme of things, not hugely significant necessarily, Hey, maybe
don't drive the car really fast. Hey, maybe you learn
how to stop at a stop sign. Hey, maybe do
your homework and get ready to take the SAT or
the act. Things that can get a college application done,
things that you have to kind of ride your kids on.
(01:50):
And we fight so hard to try to keep them
on the right path to success. And then they tell
you emotional blackmail, and you could hear it in her voice,
and you could feel the challenge that she was grappling with.
And I think they have put sadly, so many parents
and grandparents in positions like we just heard Lisa in.
So we appreciate her calling in. With that in mind.
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There are other things going on in the world right
now than just what happened yesterday in Minneapolis. We have
continued to talk about it. We've talked about it a
great deal, But I did want to update you with
a couple of other things that I think are very significant.
First of all, good news on the economy, and this
slid under the radar because there's so much attention right
(02:33):
now on Minnesota, in Minneapolis and everything surrounding that. But
Rick Santelli on CNBC this morning, it turns out second
quarter GDP growth was actually even better than the forecast showed,
and inflation was actually even lower.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
That is, we grew.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Faster and things cost less than even we expected. Here
is cut twenty four. This is what it sounded like
on CNBC with Rick Santelli this morning.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Our second walk around the block on GDP will underscore
the tuggawar and the economy between quarters that are weak
and quarters that are strong. Import, exports, tariffs, We have
a lot of push and pull based on some of
the issues of the day. We are expecting this number
to improve slightly and the revisions our second look at
second quarter GDP are now hitting the wires. Three percent
(03:28):
was our last look. It now jumps up to three
point three percent, but from a comp basis, that would
still be the best quarter since September of twenty three.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Third quarter of twenty three.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Okay, good numbers there. Inflation also lower than expectation, back
near the FEDS target rate of two percent, so I
want to continue to update you on that in the
context new record highs today at the S and P
five hundred, new record highs at the Dow.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
When it comes to the dal Jones.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Well a little bit below the record No, yeah, I'm
looking at right now in real time, buck math, always
a little bit below where the record high is. S
and P five hundred is setting a record high. That's
very good for your four oh one k everything out there.
Stocks have never been higher basically than they are right
now in Trump economy two point zero. Also, I wanted
to play this for you guys because one of the
(04:26):
big stories of the last two or three weeks has
been Trump taking over the National Guard in DC taking
over the Metro Police. And I got to give credit
to DC Mayor Muriel Bowser before I play this, Buck,
you said on the show a couple of weeks ago, Hey,
I kind of think Muriel Bowser agrees with a lot
of what Trump is doing, based on some of the
(04:47):
conversations you had had behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I kind of know someone who knows the mayor really
well and new for a fact. So I wish I
could I wish I could say that I just read
the tea leaves on this one. But this was spybuck,
you know what I'm saying. This was me running running
assets behind the enemy launter in counter intel. You had
knowledge that the mayor actually agrees with a lot of
(05:09):
the Trump policies on well, never say so like that,
but yeah, the mayor, Bowser would like DC crime to
be lower, and she's very She wants more business investment,
and she wants safer streets, which, by the way, good
for her. The fact that she can she say that
out loud though in that way, is telling you a
lot about the politics of DC.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
All Right, So we've got Muriel Bowser here. She is
saying eighty seven percent reduction in carjackings, which were one
of the crimes that had skyrocketed in Washington, d C.
And giving praise to all of the assistants now that
exists in Washington, d C.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Cut nineteen, We greatly appreciate the surge of officers that
enhance what MPD has been able to do in this
city for carjacking. The difference between this period, This twenty
day period of this federal surge and last year represents
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a eighty seven percent reduction in carjackings in Washington DC.
We know that when carjackings go down, when the use
of gun goes down, when homicidal robbery go down, neighborhoods
feel safer and are safer. So this surge has been
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important to us for that reason.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
You know, this surrives me. I feel like Trump should
have a Colonel Nathan R. Jessep moment where he's just like,
I would rather you just say thank you or man
a post. When it comes to the Democrats who have
opposed Trump on this crime thing, they should just say
I mean, especially the ones who live in DC, they
should just say thank you because he's right and it's
helping and it's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
This is a stat that I thought was staggering. They
pulled the AP, so this is not right wing poll you.
The AP Associated Press did a poll. They said, do
you think that crime is out of control? Basically a
major issue in big cities in America. Eighty one percent
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of people said it was eighty one percent buck eighteen
percent said it's an issue, but it's a minor issue
not a major issue. So ninety nine percent of Americans
say that big city crime is either a major eighty
one percent or minor eighteen percent issue. One percent of
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people said it's not an issue. Democrats have hooked their wagon,
hooked their horses to the wagon of crime is not
that big of a deal. It's actually way better than
you think. Trump is a dictator because he's trying to
drive down crime. I just got to give trummenduscredit to
(08:01):
Trump for his political instincts and being totally and completely
wrong on a right on this, and I gotta give
Mayor a Muriel Bowser. This is how real politician should work.
I understand if they have disagreements, they have two different
political parties, all those things. Conflict is not bad when
it's rational, reasonable conflict about the direction that something should go.
(08:25):
Crime should not be an issue of conflict. We should
all as you just heard me say. The AP says
ninety nine percent of people say crime is even either
a major or minor.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Issue in big cities in America.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Maybe maybe Trump is just right about this issue, and
it's better if there's less violent crime. Buck eighty seven
percent decline in carjackings do you know everybody out there.
Carjackings aren't an incredibly violent crime. You are using a weapon,
generally speaking, to get someone who is in a car,
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dragging them out, forcing them out. Sometimes there are kids involved,
babies if you have car seats. It's not like you
can easily get a child out. It happens every now
and then. A carjacking where there's still a baby in
the back of the car you take off speeding. A
carjacking typically is really four or five crimes all rolled
into one. To knock them down by eighty seven percent
(09:23):
is flat out extraordinary. And again, I think this just
shows that it's not an intractable, unsolvable problem. The question
has just been is there a will to actually address
violent crime?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
And with Trump there is, and we're seeing the results
which we knew what happened, because it turns out what
is obviously true is obviously true. Look at that more cops,
more resources, less opportunity for criminals to get away with things,
you're going to get less crime. Generally, you get more
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of what you encourage, you get less of what you discourage.
Discouraging the criminal element in DC from doing what they
do is a good thing. And yet here we are
still having so many Democrats pretend that somehow there's something
wrong with Trump's approach on this, in fact, worse than wrong.
I mean they think it is it is you know, evil,
(10:21):
it is undermining our sacred democracy. They say all kinds
of crazy stuff. Notice one thing you won't hear them say,
we have a different plan to bring crime down. And
the ones who are foolish enough to actually go there,
like the Mayor of Chicago, their answers, or rather their
their planning is laughable. More social workers has not, will
(10:45):
not and never will assist in bringing down serious violent
crime in any way you can measure, and in any
way that anybody would consider serious. So they don't have
an alternative. So really, what the Democrats have is because
we don't want law enforcement to seem rate, and because
we don't want Trump to seem correct, and we certainly
don't want to have to admit we're wrong. As Democrats,
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we would rather more people be carjacked, more people be shot,
and bad things continue to happen in American cities. Then
would happen if we just let Republicans like Trump do
what they want to do and do what they know
should be done. That's as simple as this is clay.
That's it. You know. It's just like we said with
the Biden border. You either deport people and discourage i
legal crossings, or you encourage it and you get ten
(11:27):
million people coming into the country. It's very straightforward.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I think deep down Democrats are like, oh, wow, this
is working because I think they really thought, oh, there's
nothing we can do about crime. And I think they're
starting to recognize when you got ninety nine percent of
people saying it's either a major or minor issue in
big cities in America. I'm not saying the one percent.
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I'm trying to think of something that I would believe
that I would be willing to go to the mat
on that ninety nine percent of people would disagree with me.
I'm not saying the one percent is always wrong. It's
pretty hard to for the one percent argument to win,
you know, if you have a honest, in any.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Way impartial media. And I think Trump is winning.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
And I think candidly even a lot of left wing
journalists who claim that they hate Trump agree with him
on the DC crime related issue. We'll play some cuts
by the way for you when we come back in
a little bit from Caroline Levitt who had a White
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running humans in the DC Mayor's office. Humans is in
human intelligence, right? I mean I can neither confirm nor deny,
but I can just tell you that I knew that
the mayor was going to say what she said weeks
before she or a couple of weeks before she said it,
because Yeah, I've got sources close to even some Democrats
that I give.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Her a lot of credit for being willing to I
can't believe we're here, but just being willing to say
objectively true things, even if they happen to correspond with
President Trump's decisions. There are most Democrats won't do it.
And this is how it should be. This is what
the mayor of Chicago should be saying, Hey, we want
all the federal support we can get. We want to
(17:05):
have a lower crime rate. This is what the mayor
of la should be saying. I don't know why you
would turn down opportunities to drastically lower your crime rate
if they were available to you. This is common sense.
Every city in America should be begging for the President
to offer as many resources to them as possible.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yes, this should be very straightforward. Reminds me in the
I think underrated movie Boiler Room, when he's teaching his
new sales associates how to get someone to say yes.
He's like, if you were drowning and I threw you
a life preserver, would you take it? Yes? Okay, great,
you know, like just getting it. Yeah. It's kind of
like that with the crime things, like if I could
help you get less carjackings, less murders, less robberies, would
(17:47):
you accept it? And the answer for most Democrats is no,
and that's why they have the lowest approval rating they've had.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. We are book
Do we have him? Okay, we have Congressman Trey Goudi
with us now. He's got a brand new book out.
Appreciate him joining us and Trey. I got to start
with this because everybody. We said you were coming on,
(19:17):
and they said, are you going to ask him about
what he said yesterday on Fox News? And so we
have this clip. You know what you're walking into here.
I was like, oh man, this timing was a hell
of a timing here. So before we get into the book,
before we dive into that, here is yesterday Congressman Trey
Goudi on Fox News.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
Our system is reactive. Something bad happens, we react to it.
And what people are crying for now is how can
we prevent this?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
How can we stop it?
Speaker 6 (19:45):
And the only way to stop it is to identify
the shooter ahead of time or keep the weapons out
of their hands. And so we're going to have to
have a conversation of freedom versus protecting children. I mean,
how many school shootings does it take before we're going
to have a conversation about keeping firearms out. It's always
a young white male, almost always. I mean, did anyone
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this morning think I wonder if that was a female?
Did any of y'all think that? I mean, there's been
one school shooting involving a female one Tennessee. But other
than that, it is usually young white males.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
All Right, this is reacting live, Yeah, and turn your
mentions off, Trey.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
But what do you wish social media?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I know you're not. That's good for you.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
That's good for you right now, Okay, with a day
to reflect, what do you wish you would have said?
Would you change any of the commentary that we just
played there?
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Now? I mean, obviously, if I had a longer format,
which I had for sixteen years, I could extrapolate on
what's that? What I meant by that, I mean we
have gun control. There are controls on who can have guns,
where you can have them, and what kind of guns
you can. Have spent six years prosecuting gun cases and
then ten years prosecuting murder cases. My point was pretty simple,
(21:07):
and actually I don't understand the argument against it. By
the time a murder takes place, we've already lost somebody's
been killed. How can we prevent the murder? So you
either focus on the shooter or you track the firearm.
And if you track this firearm, it was lawfully purchased.
(21:28):
So I don't I really defy anyone to say, knowing
everything we know now, I would still sell three firearms
to this shooter. Because what you're saying is that you're
okay with what happened, we would not do anything to
change it.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
But on what, on what legal basis, Trey, would you
not have sold the firearms to this individual?
Speaker 6 (21:55):
I think if you did even a cursory review from
a mental health standpoint, this person doesn't need a pair
of scissors or a plastic fork.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Wouldn't that be sorry to cut you off? But wouldn't
that be a I always come back to parenting. I
don't understand how this person who is clearly mentally ill.
I think most school shootings or most mass shootings in
general that are like these, someone is mentally ill, and
so to me, I look at it and I say,
Mom or Dad, just like with the crazy trans chicken Nashville,
(22:28):
and just like this crazy trans dude in Minneapolis, Mom
and dad, if they were paying any attention at all,
should have said this person should not have access to firearms.
I look at it as parenting, So one, I want
to get your thoughts on that. Secondly, the way we
define mass shooting is I think often broken, because most
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mass shooters are not young male white males like you said,
It's mostly young black men who commit the vast majority
of murders who commit the vast majority of violent So
I do think a lot of people reacted not only
to what you said, but you saying, hey, it's almost
always white males.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Yeah. When I consider mass shooting, I don't accept the
FBI's definition of it. If you accept the FBI's definition,
we've had what seven hundred mass shootings, So, you know,
to rival gang shooting each other out over a drug turf,
I don't consider that to be a mass shooting. I
consider a mass shooting to be Sandy Hook, Columbine Valdi,
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what happened in Tennessee, what happened yesterday, completely innocent targets
that had absolutely nothing to do with whoever the perpetrator was.
Las Vegas is another perfect example of what I consider
to be a mass shooting. So the former prosecutor in
me rejects the notion of how the FBI tracks mass shootings.
(23:56):
The answer to your second to your first question about parenting,
we should do. I think we're in one accord. They're
the Crumbly parents were prosecuted because they had either actual
or constructive knowledge that their son was going to do
something with a firearm at that school, and they wound
up being prosecuted. So it always gives a little bit
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dangerous when you start holding children of parents responsible for
the actions of their children. But when you can prove
that the parent knew or should have known, and did
not take any steps to do so, I mean, it's
rare for parents to go ask that their children be
involuntarily committed. It would be rare for a parent to
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call the police in a state that had a red
flag law. So how else if the parents parents are
notoriously non objective. I mean, that's why we love them.
We're not objective about our children. Our parents are not
always objective about us. But the price that we are
paying right now, I mean, we've had school shooting after
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school shooting, after school shoot, and I wholeheartedly agree with
the notion. In fact, in my hometown we have a
police presence and every school and that deters. So what
the president is doing in DC works police presence deters.
This was a private school, so government cannot dictate to
a private religious school that you must have armed guards.
(25:21):
So my point is, you know, and honestly I caught
it from the left end right yesterday. The left didn't
like the fact that I made mention of Jesus. The
right didn't like factor the fact that I mentioned gun control.
But what I think some people maybe lose sight of
is we already have gun control. You and I cannot
walk into certain places with a fully automatic machine gun.
(25:44):
That is gun control. The question is can we find
something to lower the number of the mass shooting story
I defined them?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Well, okay, Trey, waita, I need you to help me
out here for a second. So like I lived in
New York City and in Times Square there are big
signs that say gun free zone, and there are still
shootings in Times Square because the people that are going
to shoot people don't care about the signs. So when
you're talking about gun control, are you? It's sounding to
me and I could be missing this, Like you think
(26:14):
there's a better way to do gun control instead of
we have a ton of gun control already and it
doesn't work to stop mass shootings like this, So why
would we do more gun control? Can you help me
untangle that?
Speaker 6 (26:26):
Sure? Yeah, I did it. I did it when I
was a state prosecutor. I called the FEDS in and said,
we're going to have summer of silence. We're not going
to wait. I mean, look, if I'm prosecuting murder case,
I've lost somebody's already dead. So I got with the
US Attorney's Office because they have really, really strict firearms statutes.
There are a number of people prohibited from possessing firearms
(26:48):
court martial, adjudicated mentally ill felons subject to a court
order and a restraining order, and domestic violence case here
in the country. Unlawfully. That's a big one that never
gets talked about. You cannot lawfully possess parral No, I get.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
It, Well, so what does that have to do with
what we just saw in the shooting in Minneapolis?
Speaker 6 (27:08):
Though prosecute Well, that's my point is do we have
a law that would have prevented what happened yesterday? And
if we don't have a law, can we fashion one
that balances people's freedom?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
And I think the answer is no, Trey. I think
this is why people on the right are upset at you.
I think the answer is there is no answer for
is there a law that will balance freedom with and
stop balance freedom with the need to protect the public
and stop something like this Unless you're going to talk
about red flag laws, mental health stuff and really get
deep into that. But that's a that's a stick.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
You just that we're just going to live with these
mass shootings.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Well, I think one thing we could do is, and
I'll ask you this, I mean we've been asking this
question if you look. You mentioned mass shootings, so specifically
taking the school shooting as an example, The school shooter
in Nashville clearly trans meted up on all sorts of things. Mentally,
(28:08):
we agree that parents clearly should not have had these
people with guns, right, same thing I think is true
now in Minneapolis, former student. I think one thing we
could do is address should we be giving these people
the medication that I think is prone to making them
more violent as and then taking their anger and their
(28:32):
violence out on the schools. That would be one answer
for me is we should have a big investigation because
the trans community is very small. There are not very
many people who are trans, and now we have two
different trans people who have shown up at Christian schools
and slaughtered innocent kids.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Well, yeah, I mean traded to answer your question because
you said, well, then we have to just live with
these shootings. The reality, I think as we see it,
is that a big problem is that you have people
you have a class of people right now, a group
of people who are being told that there's a genocide
being perpetrated against them by the biggest voices in the
Democrat Party, by the biggest newspapers, by some of the
(29:08):
biggest channels on TV, and by the culture more broadly,
and that that's essentially a celebration of a dangerous men,
or rather celebrating a mental illness which can create, in
some circumstances, a dangerous outcome, like we have seen now
more than once, as you pointed out, including at the
Comington school shooting. But you get into the gun side
of this specifically, I'm still I don't know what So
(29:28):
if we want to have a conversation about mental health,
we want to have a conversation about not celebrating mental illness.
That I'm all for. But on the gun side of it,
I mean, you had to prosecute people for gun law violations.
There's a ton of different ways you can be prosecuted
for gun stuff. As you know better than ninety nine
percent of the population, there's no perfect security and there's
no perfect way to get everybody. I mean, the truth
(29:50):
is Trey mass shootings actually are rare. So when you
say we're gonna live with mass shootings. You know, it
sounds a little bit like what the Democrats say, which
is if we can just have one, you know, let's
get the only ten round magazines that'll save people. Let's
not have ar fifteen's in this state that'll save people sans.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Ten people are dead. That just means ten people are dead.
So I've never talked about magazine capacity because that just
tells me you will accept ten deb people, but you
won't accept eleven.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
But I mean, if you're if you're somebody who doesn't think,
if there's not a law that you can come up with,
given what you used to do, that would have stopped this,
that is workable, My point is maybe there's not a
law that is workable that would stop something like this,
and maybe that is actually the reality we deal with
in a free society. It's tragic, but it's true.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
Well I would so I don't know the last time
you travel, but wait in line a long time to
board a plane because we said, never again is someone
going to do something with an airplane. I have to
show ID almost everywhere I go, And so we're willing
(30:56):
to trade in certain pockets of our lives. We are
willing to trade a little bit of inconvenience for public safety.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
But isn't the two a community already trading a lot.
I mean, we got we got all these rules, it's
my point. I mean, so it's like, if one person
once a year is able to do something on a plane,
does that mean we're gonna add more rules than.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
We actually just got rid of the liquid thing? And
there's not a constitutional right to air travel. I think
a lot of Second Amendment people would say, so, what
would your solution.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Let's close it up this way. Let me let me
tell you this, Trey.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
By the way, the book is the color of death,
Trey Gouty, I want to make sure that we address this.
Let's pretend that I gave you a magic wand and
you could design a system that would stop uh excess
violent death while also preserving everyone's constitutional rights. What would
that look like in the mind of sorcerer magician Trey GOUTI.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Well, I would do what I did. For six years,
the Obama administration had a namically low firearms prosecutions. To
talk about gun control for eight years, their gun prosecutions
were animically low, And I get that it is not
nearly as sexy to prosecute a possession a fellow in
(32:12):
a possession of a firearm case as murder. But that's
what you have to do. You have to enforce the
laws that you currently have, which we are not doing.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Ray. That's a totally separate I mean, when you're talking
about the Obama administration wasn't and this was true with
Krasner as the DA in Philadelphia. You know this, They
weren't pushing those cases because it disproportionately affected the minority community.
Young black men were being prosecuted at much higher rates
for those. That's a totally separate thing from somebody who's
a complete lunatic who wants to go up and shoot
(32:42):
up a school. Like you can prosecute all the gang
members you want across the country, that's not going to
stop what happened in Minneapolis. When we both know.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
No one of the prohibited persons is whether or not
you've been adjudicated mentally ill.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
And had this person been adjudicated mentally ill, I'm not
aware of that if that was the case, right, But
that's my point.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Had anybody tried, had anybody sought an involuntary confinement, had
it or or when we go back to Congress. It
was the Republicans conservatives who said, the fact that a
SOB security judge has deemed you disabled due to a
mental illness is not a bar to you possessing a firearm.
(33:23):
I wonder if we could go back in time, if
we would tweak our position.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
If you're advocating for something that would not have made
any difference to the shooting that we just happened as
a solution to the shooting, Tred's that's where I think
there's a problem.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Well, well then then I would ask you what would
you do? Or are we just going to accept and
grieve in the aftermath of more.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I mean we talked, we talked extensively yesterday about about
putting more armed security in places like schools. I don't
know if you know this tray we actually had on
Mary Margaret Olan who said Catholic schools in Minnesota specifically
after Comington went to the governor and said, hey, we
need help, we want more armed guards. Now, I'm not
saying that's a cure all, but it is something and
it is something that, by the way, this shooter took
(34:08):
into account. So this was part of the calculation. There
was no arm security at this school, so it's not
a do nothing thing, Trey. It sounds a lot like
a gun grabbing democrat point of view on this one.
This is why you're catching all the heat, my friend.
I'm a little surprised, is he gone? Huh? Well? He
(34:33):
Color of Death is his book? Was? I was?
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I being no, I'm just I'm surprised he hung up.
I think that's the first. I think that's the first
hang up we've had.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Am I wrong? I don't think Penn. I'm just gonna
tell you guys right now. I've always I think Trey
is a nice guy. Come on, man, like we're just
exchanging ideas here. That was totally polite. I'm gonna you
know what, Trey, I'm gonna give We were pushing your book.
I'm going to give you the last word. The Color
of Death is the book. Tell us what your what
(35:06):
your final thoughts are on this one. We'll give you
last word.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Well, you know, I did not feel comfortable pushing the
book yesterday in light of real life grief. This is fictional,
but if people want to know what it's like to
prosecute a murder case, you know, I don't think the
media you get to write about the interaction between cops
and prosecutors, victims and prosecutors, the bond that exists. So
(35:30):
I wanted to write a real life account of what
it's like to try to catch a killer from the
moment the crime happens, admitting that by the time the
murder takes place, there's already been a loss of life.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
But that happens.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
It happens all the time. It's what I did for
ten years, and I want people to have a realistic
view of what that's like because mini series, movies and
television shows don't get it right.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
All right, Okay, well leave it there for trade. Thank
you for making the time for us, and thanks for
answering our questions. That we appreciate it now.
Speaker 6 (36:02):
They're great questions. Look, I mean, I want to keep
having the conversation, and I appreciate you. Look, I mean
we I think we all agree we would like a
safer society without doing violence to our freedoms. And I
think you and I want to get to the same place,
and I respect you, even if we may have slightly
different paths on how to get there. I am not
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wed to my way. If there is a better way.
I just I it just breaks my heart as I
know it does yours to see dead innocent victims.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Well, that's well said, Trey, and we appreciate that. We
agree with that, and thank you for coming on.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
God bless you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Guys. All right, we will be right back.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
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