August 5, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a dynamic blend of political analysis, economic forecasting, and cultural commentary, anchored by timely interviews and listener engagement. This hour centers on the Trump administration’s economic trajectory, AI-driven investment optimism, and ongoing legal and political battles, all framed within the broader context of media bias, historical accountability, and public trust in institutions.
The segment opens with a strong endorsement of the Trump 2.0 economy, highlighting early signs of growth and the administration’s push for 100% expensing, which is projected to supercharge business investment. Clay and Buck explore the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) data integrity, citing declining response rates and questioning the reliability of monthly job reports. This leads to a broader discussion on economic indicators, Federal Reserve policy, and the anticipated housing market thaw.
A major theme is the AI revolution, with comparisons to the railroad boom of the 1880s. The hosts emphasize that AI investment has already surpassed the dot-com era, positioning it as a transformative force in American industry and productivity.
The hour also features a deep dive into political lawfare, including President Trump’s comments on the Russia collusion hoax and the grand jury investigation. Trump denies involvement in directing the DOJ but expresses satisfaction with the probe. Buck and Clay discuss the weaponization of intelligence agencies, the financial shielding of Democrat officials, and the broader implications for political accountability and historical legacy.
Guest Alex Marlow, editor-in-chief of Breitbart News, joins to discuss his new book Breaking the Law, which exposes the coordinated legal attacks on Trump and traces the roots of lawfare back to FDR and Roe v. Wade. Marlow argues that the Biden White House played a direct role in these efforts, calling it the scandal of the century and warning of future abuses if accountability is not enforced.
The hour concludes with listener calls, including provocative comparisons of Texas redistricting to the Holocaust, which Clay and Buck critique as historically ignorant and hyperbolic. The segment also includes commentary on fashion choices, Kamala Harris, and media narratives, blending serious political discourse with light-hearted banter.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, third hour, Clay and Buck kicks off now,
and we're gonna get us some of your calls.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
You talk about from all that one entirely, I want to.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Say that on the economy and how things are going
for this administration so far, it has been excellent, and
I think we're just seeing the early stages of the
Trump two point zero economy. But there's that one little
thing that has come up where Trump is unhappy, and
no surprise, when he is unhappy, he makes that quite known.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
And he went and.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Called into CNBC's squawkbox. Who is the right thinking fellow
on the squawkbox?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
He's smart, Yes, mister Kernan. Thank you, mister Joe Kernin.
And I meant that by correct thinking, but maybe maybe
right thinking as well.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
But remember review, I think you rarely see me get
super excited to meet somebody. We met Joe Kernan at
the inaugural events in DC, and I was just like,
I've been watching Joe Kernin on CNBC for my whole
life basically, so meeting him in person, I was like
a schoolgirl giddy. So anyway, I'm a fan of Joe
(01:08):
Kernin's indeed indeed, and here he is on us. Here
Trump is the president on CNBC talking about this Bureau
of Labor Statistics throwdown, play one.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
This is a response rate over the last ten twelve
years for the BLS Household Survey. It's dropped from ninety
percent of so on time down to sixty and sometimes
even lower. It's arguably the most important number we get
about the economy. Yesterday we had warton Professor Jeremy Siegel,
(01:41):
and just bear with me as president, listen to this.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I'm not going to let the bos off the hook.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I mean, you know, you talk about how to fix it.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
You don't make these questionnaires mandatory and give them a
time limit to.
Speaker 7 (01:54):
Fill it out.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I mean, I think the response rates down to sixty percent,
I mean, that's on acceptable.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
For the most important statistic that.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
We have, So Clay, it seems like there are some
out there who are willing to back Trump.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Up with this way that we gauge jobs.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
There are problems with this, and if anyone wants to
disagree with that, explain why they have to revise dramatically
month after month The initial number and the actual number
has been substantially less many many times.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
In a row.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So I think that once again people say, oh, how
dare he and Trump he can't do that. It actually
kind of reminds me of Clay. Tell Clay he can't
do something, he'll do it.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Trump. Same deal.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
When you tell Trump you can't do that, sir, he
goes watch me.
Speaker 8 (02:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Look, I think again the success from the Trump economy.
I was reading and talking with some executives this one
hundred percent expensing, which I know sounds super nerdy and
a lot of people don't pay.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Attention to it.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
It is going to add jet fuel to the next
six to nine months of our economy. And so you
can come back and look at this, say Clay said
in August, I think by the time we are looking
at May and June of next year and we are
stepping into the official cycle of the midterms, I think
(03:28):
it's going to be virtually impossible to argue that the
economy is not firing on all cylinders.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Now.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
There are things that can happen that are unfortunate that
no president can ever. We talked about the multiverse, which
is something they focus on in these do you have.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
A do you have a systemic economic risk? Right now
that worries.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
You like, what is this?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Yeah, yeah, go ahead, No, I was just going to say,
that's the question I was going to lead into February
of twenty twenty. We had the greatest economy the history
of the world.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
COVID happened.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Nothing that Trump did was the cause of COVID. Nothing
that anybody in America other than doctor Fauci potentially helping
to fund gain a function research.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
My play once again, very mean, Clay.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
My point on that is it's a sort of black
Swan event where you aren't directly at attributable to it.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I mentioned earlier nine to eleven.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Something that is outside the scope of any sort of
expected outcome is the only thing I see that could
A virus, a terror attack that is substantial in nature
that could derail the Trump economy because buck in the multiverse.
If we could go back in time and COVID never happens,
do you know how white hot the economy would have
(04:48):
been in November of twenty twenty, when everybody was going
to go vote and Democrats had locked in Joe Biden.
Trump would have won. I know some of you are
going to say he did, but I'm talking about there
would have not been the remote voting Biden wouldn't have
gotten to hide in the basement. I really think the
economy was poised for one of the greatest runs that
(05:11):
we have ever seen. COVID happened and derailed a lot
of that. I think, if nothing happens, knock on wood,
whatever proverbial positive thing you want to say to try
to defray negativity from happening, throw some salt over your shoulder.
I think by June of next year, we're going to
be firing economically on a level that we may never
have seen.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Before in the history of the United States.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
There's a lot of AI optimism, the fixed costs related
to taxes, the one hundred percent expensing for all these
companies out there to be able to invest in hyper
accelerating their efficiency and production. I think the tariff are
the tariffs are all going to be locked in place,
and they're not having the incredibly devastating effect that everybody anticipated.
(05:53):
I think the Fed is going to have to start
lowering interest rates, which is going to start to unfreeze
the overall houses market. I just think that we are
headed for an incredible economic boom that is not really
being talked about.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
Enough.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
And I know we've talked about AI on this show, Buck,
and I know you and I are far from tech
geniuses in terms of being able to analyze and understand AI.
If I flagged something I was reading yesterday, this potentially
and in fact, let me pull it up because I
thought it was super interesting on the economic front, that
essentially we are seeing a level of investment that we
(06:34):
have not seen that is changing the course of industry
in the United States since railroads in the eighteen eighties.
This AI revolution. This is according to Phil Kodrowski, who
is a tech founder investor pundit, we have already now
exceeded the investment dollars that were put in play for
(06:54):
the Internet for those of you who all remember certainly
the major impact of the Internet, and we are advancing
on the eighteen eighties expenses that were required to basically
cover the work cover the United States and rail to
allow us to transfer product and people at different rates
of speed. That this is right now the second biggest
(07:15):
economic investment boom AI that we have seen, only secondary
to the railroads.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
In the eighteen eighties.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
I don't think that most people have factored this in yet,
and so you know, I know we had some negativity about, hey,
what's going to happen with the law, fair and everything else.
I just think the economic potential and the economic might
of this country is about to be unlocked in a
way that a lot of people are not recognizing yet.
And so I put it down June of next year.
(07:43):
I think we're going to be barring something that we
can't control that is awful, like covid or nine to eleven.
Outside of the scope of the president and the policy
that he puts in place. I think that we are
headed for boom.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
And here we have. We got more going here from
this Trump interview. He spoke about the grand jury investigation,
which I know a lot of you are weighing in
on with emails and calls.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
We got some of this.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Here's what President Trump said just this morning about the
grand jury investigation into the Russia collusion hoax.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
This is cut four the.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Justice Department now it's happing a grand jury to look
into the intelligence community's assessment of what was happening with Russia.
Is that you have nothing to do with directing the
Justice Department, nothing to do PAM is doing a great job.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
I have nothing to do with it.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
I will tell you this, and.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
They deserve it.
Speaker 9 (08:35):
I was happy to hear it.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I actually read it just like you did.
Speaker 9 (08:39):
I have nothing to do with it.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
But what they did in the election, what they did
in even the last election, but it was too big
to rigs.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
But what they did in the twenty twenty election is
to grow test. So he's saying, look, not my thing.
DOJ's handling it. We'll see where it goes. And there's
the possibility I think that this moves along to that end.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
We've got so many VIP emails on this one. Phil
writes in I honestly don't care if anyone is indicted
in the probe. The process is the punishment. Remember, Make
them put up their homes for legal fees, confiscate their property,
put them through the proverbial ringer.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
What do you think of that one?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
They're all going to have their legal fees covered by
Democrat operatives. Look, I think you can argue, and this
is why I donated money. The people who bear the
brunt of legal costs are typically not rich people. This
is why I donated to the jan six defendants. People
think that Democrats are not going to line up and
(09:41):
pay whatever it costs for their top officials to be covered.
Did George Soros is not going to stroke a check
for four hundred million dollars or the George Soros equivalent.
No one is going to be bankrupted in any way
by legal fees.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
You said on air.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I think might have been off air, but it's basically,
this is one long conversation that we have. Barack Obama's
worth one hundred million dollars. The idea that unless you're
going to sue somebody civilly and it's a lawsuit and
it's business expenses, those kind of things which I'm putting
on the side, nobody is going to get bankrupted inside
of the Democrat Party because of legal fees. They're not
(10:20):
going to allow it to happen. So I think the
only thing that matters here is preserving the historic record
and making it clear what was done. And this is
why I've asked you this question. A ton hopefully trying
to depoliticize the intelligence agencies going forward such that they
(10:44):
actually are providing some measure of independent advice as opposed
to just acting as an arm of the American political
party in power.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Now.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Historically j Edgar Hoover ran the FBI as his personal fiefdom.
So we have had issues with intelligence gathering being used
for political purposes basically as long as the intelligence agencies
have existed. So I think what is going forward going
to happen. I would like to think that people start
(11:15):
to realize, Hey, I don't serve a president or an administration.
I serve the country. And I know that's why you
went to the CIA. You weren't trying to say, hey,
I want to just work for this president. You were saying,
I want to stop nine to eleven from ever happening again.
I want to catch the bad guys trying to kill
people in this country. That's what I want everybody in
the intelligence agency to be the focus of, not hey
(11:38):
I want Donald Trump in handcuffs, or I want this JD.
Vance or AOC or whoever you want to point to
down the line. And that's what I worry about going
forward at this point, correcting the historic record and figuring
it out so to that doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
To that end, Ernie writes in you guys are doing
a great job. Let me just say, Ernie, excellent start
to your VIP email by analyzing each individual aspect of
this process, though you are missing the big picture. Trump
knows there won't be any indictments. He's trying to correct
the history books as it pertains to his legacy. I
think it's brilliant. What do you think of my reasoning?
Thanks for what you're doing for America. Well, Ernie, I
(12:15):
think we sometimes this happens. We've been saying this all
along too. It's important that this information gets out there.
I keep referring through this political accountability, and of course
part of that is legacy and what goes into the
history books. Getting the truth out there is important no
matter what comes of the criminal prosecution side of this.
And Ernie, you know, I'm not one hundred percent convinced
(12:37):
there won't be any indictments that come down from this
grand jury. And I don't think Trump knows one way
or the other because it's a grand jury, right, Trump's
not He's not involved in any of that. So I
think I see some of what you're saying there, but
we're definitely aware of And I would agree on the
point that Trump wants to get the information out because
of what happened to him and the American people.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Look the American people.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Well, I know it was a closer election than it
should have been in some ways, but repudiated lawfair in
this last If Kamala Harris was sitting here as president,
I'd be very worried about the future of the country,
just based on the fact that they would have managed
to use all this lawfair stuff successfully against Trump.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I also think going forward, the grand jury could drag
on for months. I mean, that's not uncommon when it
comes to grand jury's. You don't know how targeted the
grand jury process is going to be. And I just
think most people in this audience already know everything that
happened with Russia. You mentioned you talked about it for years.
(13:39):
I don't think there's any revelations so far that have
been shocking to most people. The people who need to
see it are all the MSNBC and New York Times readers,
which is the ones that I said, what's their reaction
going to be?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Here?
Speaker 4 (13:51):
We were not surprised when they tried to indict Trump
for what they indicted him for. We told you it
was all coming. I don't know what their media are
telling them and what their reaction is going to be.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
It was I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Eight years ago when I woke up one morning and
I got all these text messages, They're like, see what
the big guy did. And I had no idea what
they're talking about because it was groggy in the morning.
I'm not a morning person. And Clay, it was all
on Russia collusion stuff. I've been saying, you know, they
abuse Fiza, they're clearly lying, they're using the spying powers.
Now you go back, it's all on the Twitter record.
Trump retweeted me, I think five or six times in
(14:23):
a row on Russia collusion. Like his Twitter account was
six retweets of Buck one morning. So that was eight
years ago. So trust me, we're on it. Like we
see this, we know, we get the full extent of
the dirty game. And if I had gone to work
for this administration, which as I've been open with you,
was a conversation certainly in twenty twenty, in open conversation,
(14:46):
I know that a big part of the job would
have been with Tulca and Ratcliffe forre doing now as
D and I and DCIA, which is looking into the
Russia collusion scam and finally getting some accountability on. But
we were talking to the economy a few minutes ago,
and I just think it's so important that, yes, Trump
is doing great things, Yes we have to pay close
(15:08):
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Speaker 3 (16:16):
Welcome back in. You're about to be mad at John
in Salt Lake City. What you got for us?
Speaker 7 (16:20):
John Obama's got to walk. He's the insurance policy because
in the words of Vinnie Gambini, this is the Democrat Party.
There ain't no way they're not gonna try to prosecute
and imprison Donald Trump. And my second point.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Hold on, you said you want Trump to pardon Obama
because otherwise they're gonna try to attack Trump.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
Don't even no, no, don't even go after him. They
gotta let him walk right now, He's not even gonna
be involved. And I'd just like to make one other point,
in the words of a hard Decay tell in the
National Treasure movie, somebody's got to go to jail Jack,
and it's gonna be John Brennan. He's the patsy for
a spy. He's got the biggest mouth in Washington, and
(17:03):
he's already Doug, his great love you guys.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Well, we'll see whether anybody ends up going to jail.
I think that'll be an interesting debate. Chuck in Fort Binnning,
Georgia quickly chuck, what you got for us?
Speaker 9 (17:15):
Yeah, Hey, peon's like me down in the trenches fighting
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the Epstein list, Trump's pedophile. I'd like to see a
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Kamala Harris put any of them on the stand under oath.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
And that's happening. Thanks for the call, Thanks for the call.
James Comer has subpoena basically every attorney general that has
ever existed in most of your lives to testify. Nothing
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Speaker 1 (18:52):
All right, Welcome back into Clayan Buck. Alex Marlow joins
us now. He's editor in chief of Breipartnews, hosts of
the Alex Marlin Show podcast. New book Breaking the Law,
which I'm holding up a copy of right here you
can all see by Alex Marlow.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Good day to be.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Discussing it, exposing the weaponization of America's legal system against
Donald Trump. Mister Marlow, welcome the program first time. What
do you think happens at this stage of the effort
to both expose and maybe get accountability for the law.
Speaker 8 (19:25):
Fair gentlemen, First of all, thank you for having me.
Buck and I share a agent, the Great Craig Kitchen
radio legend, and I will tell you that I'm happy
to talk about the book all you want, but I
really just want to get on the show to tell
you guys, I'm out of dark Roast and I want
to make sure that I can get refill as soon
as possible.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
So we got a crack.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
We got a cracked coffee guy in the mix. Too fantastic,
That's what we love to hear. So but no, really,
today everyone's calling him. We're getting a little bit of
heat from some quarters here, just trying to assess the
likelihood of the grand The grand jury may bring down indictments.
I could see that happening. I wouldn't say likely, but possible.
On the comer subpoenas. I think that's a little more
(20:08):
of a stretch. But what do you see not just
with that, but the whole effort to root out and
prevent the lawfare that we've seen from ever happening again.
Speaker 8 (20:18):
Yeah, I'm actually heartened by this. I know you guys
are really terrific on social media, so you know this
probably as well as anyone. That a lot of the
grassroots in our movement are totally cynical now. They don't
believe anything will happen, they don't believe anyone will be
held to account, and the left can just get away
with anything. And I feel like there is a genuine
effort finally from people with actual power to hold people accountable.
(20:41):
That maybe that's not acceptable, That maybe the way things
have been my entire adult life so long as I've
been politically cognizant, where there's been two tiers of justice,
maybe it's time to end. Now. Do I believe it.
I'll believe it when I see it. I'll believe it
when I finally see the purp walks and the handcuffs.
But it does feel like this effort is not fake.
It feels like this is a real effort. James Tomer's
a good man. I trust him to try to find
(21:02):
the actual bodies if you're buried somewhere, And I think
that we're off to good start. At Toulsy Gabbard as well.
I think it takes as really seriously. She's fearless, so
I think there's some real opportunity. Of course, you'd be
wrong if you don't do your doubts that Pam Bondi
can bring in the goods at this point. But I'm
happy to give her a shot. And I like energy.
The energy is very good and it's going to keep
(21:23):
the base engaged.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Okay, So what happens if that doesn't occur? Right?
Speaker 4 (21:29):
So, one of the challenges that I think exists in
all the public life, and thanks for coming on with us,
and you have great taste and coffee, is what do
we do when it comes to promises made, promises kept right,
and when you over promise. And I think there's no
doubt that Pam Bondi when she gave out the Epstein
files Phase one or whatever it was called to the influencers,
(21:51):
she over promised. I think she over promised when she
did the interviews with Fox News about what was on
her desk, the files, and what they were going to reveal.
My concern here is if you say, hey, we're opening
a Russia Gate investigation, we're bringing in a grand jury,
we're in paneling. A lot of people expect to see handcuffs,
they expect to see arrest. Is there a danger of
(22:12):
over promising and under delivering with this particular story.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
Absolutely there is. And the Pam Bondi Phase one rollout
where she kind of humiliated all of those influencers coming
out of the wrestling of the White House who were
holding up the binders as if they had gotten some
sort of a participation trophy. That was really terrible. She
set those people up to look really bad, and I
think that hurt her a lot, and I think that
she's got to be super careful not to do that again.
(22:38):
And it's sort of an unthinkable mistake. It's pretty mind
blowing that that happened, and it does make you lose
some faith. But I'll tell you as a civilian, as
a media guy like you guys, I just want people engaged.
I think that this is a long game and if
we're playing this over a decade long horizon, creating that
civic engagement and creating that climate of fear for the
(22:59):
left that you cannot break the law, you cannot violate
the public trust, you cannot use your power to try
to nefariously carry out unjust political means, and if you do,
you're gonna be in You could get indictments, You're going
to get tied up in legal chaos, Your life is
going to be a living hell. I think that that's
a positive development, and it will get people motivated to
(23:21):
stay engaged civically, to go to the polls and keep
voting out the bad guys. So I think the worst
case scenario here is actually pretty good. The best case
scenario the purp walks and the handcuffs. I would love
to see it. But even if we don't, I still
think this is positive culturally.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Tell us a bit about what you lay out here
in the book. You've got broken scales, a trial that
never should have happened the woman. Is it mostly a
deep dive into the lawfare that has happened? Or do
you get into more of the blueprint of the counter
revolution if you will, the counter strike?
Speaker 8 (23:55):
Yeah. So basically I start with a brief history of lawfair,
and I trace it back to Franklin Roosevelt, who wanted
to pack the court with more Supreme Court justices so
that he could use that as an extra executive branch.
And I trace it to roeby Wade, which was really
the first big lawfair moment where a far left court
took the most hot button issue of all hot button
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issues and took it out of the realm of debate
and put it into the realm of civil rights. It
led to a massive boom and abortions and was really
sort of unprecedented. And then I take it to Joe Biden,
who really is the godfather of modern lawfair with his
working of Robert Bork in the field high tech lynching,
Clarence Thomas to Obama and Holder and what they did
(24:37):
to try to target conservative groups using the law instead
of trying to uphold law and order in their streets.
But the centerpiece is a deep dive on the six
major cases against Donald Trump, and I traced the coordination
all the way to the White House. In every single instance,
the White House was involved in the lawfair against Donald Trump,
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no doubt, in order to try subvert our democracy and
rid the twenty twenty four election. I think it's arguably
the scandal of the century, and it's getting paid no
mind right now, and hopefully this culture where we're revisiting
the Russiagate hoax, we were visiting some of the horrible
things that were done to President Trump in the past.
We have to add this to the list because if
the left had their way, they would have rigged the
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twenty four election using the law fier and it was
the Biden Whitehouse that was doing it.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
I'm glad you brought this up because I actually think
the most significant aspect of the twenty sixteen story is
the lies that they told in twenty sixteen about Russia collusion.
A lie allowed them to dismiss everything having to do
with Hunter and Joe Biden and the laptop as all
the hallmarks of Russian disinformation. If twenty sixteen hadn't happened,
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the lies they told there would not have allowed what
I think was the even more consequential lies they told
in twenty twenty to take root. I do think that
is significant. So I want to get your take on
that second part to this, What does the future look
like for intelligence? This is what Buck and I were
just talking about. Buck obviously has a great deal of
(26:07):
expertise on this. But where do we go from here?
Because I think there are a lot of people out
there saying, Hey, I agree with you on everything sixteen,
everything twenty, but I'm concerned about what's going to happen
in twenty eight and thirty two and thirty six going forward.
How do we make sure that it isn't one long
replication of what we saw happen in sixteen.
Speaker 8 (26:28):
Yeah, they connected. I'm really glad clear that he made
this connection because I haven't even had a chance to
make this connection, and we're just starting to do press
for the book comes out today, so it's the But
this is the point I've been trying to get out there,
which is that the law here in the run up
to twenty twenty four, where the party in power tried
to stop the standard bearer or the other party from
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becoming president by jailing him and bankrupting him, that was
only possible because they got away with everything in twenty sixteen.
They believe they were untouchable. They believe that they could
do such blatant core a nation is having the top
players in district courts go to the White House to
meet with White House attorneys clandestinely in the middle of
a trial, and the establishment media would say nothing about it.
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It would come and go in the news in two
minutes if it even got there at all. You to
people like Jack Smith who operated illegally. He was an
illegal appointment, and he was allowed to operate for eighteen
months with the full support of the US government. It
was an unconstitutional appointment that was only even attempted because
they got away with bloody murder in twenty sixteen. So
if we let them get away with it again twenty sixteen,
(27:32):
twenty twenty twenty four, of course we should be very
cynical that things are only going to get worse in
twenty eight and twenty thirty two. And to your point
about the intelligence, that's why the people who are the
bad actors need to live in fear that they're going
to try to subvert our democracy and to use our
intelligence agencies to subvert an American political party the right
instead of doing their job and trying to protect our country.
(27:54):
Then they're going to have massive consequences, and to this
point they've had done.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I think that's the super important part about this. The
book Breaking the Law of the author Alex Marlowe. He's
a New York Times bestseller. Go check out Breaking the
Law and Alex, thanks for being with us.
Speaker 8 (28:12):
My pleasure, guys, thank you, thank you again.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
No doubt and a huge part of the continuing impact.
I was watching Bill Hemmer today on Fox News. He
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what is going on.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
In Israel as we.
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Hopefully move towards what we want to have be a
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have not even heard this full yet. I saw the
headline and I said, oh my goodness, this is gonna
(30:26):
be fun. Texas State Representative Joe Landa Jones, who has
fled the state to Illinois rather than have.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Joelanda jo Yolanda. Usually, I think, is how you know?
Is it Joelnda?
Speaker 4 (30:42):
According to our team, it is Jolanda. So Yolanda is
typically a is typically a name that would be popular.
But this, according to our team, is Joelanda. I'm maybe
it's pronounced no. No, you're probably right. You're probably right. She
has fled the state to protest redistricting in Texas. She
(31:04):
says this is just like the Holocaust cut twenty nine.
Speaker 12 (31:08):
And then integration happened and everybody thought they accept this.
They don't accept this. They are showing us who they are.
We should believe them, and we better have the courage
to stand up otherwise we will fall for anything. And
in this country we will be defeated, deported. I mean,
we will lose all of our rights. And if you
think it can't happen, it can. And I will liken
this to the Holocaust. People are like, well, how did
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the Holocaust happen? How is somebody in a position to
kill all their people? Well, good people remain silent or
good people didn't realize that what happens to them can
very soon happen to me or somebody I love. And
so you and even so, even if you made it, man,
you have an obligation to help people who came because
God forbid, they end up targeting you and your family.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
So, Joe Wanda, it is with the Jay Joe Wanda.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
They are saying, boy, if Texas readiss, next thing it's
going to happen is concentration camps.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
These people, how.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Far are democrats from? I had to wait in line
at the DMV for too long. It's basically the Holocaust.
I just want to know what is really the like,
what is the barrier, what is.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
The the the the the level that you have to
reach for a Holocaust comparison.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Now you know, they didn't they didn't have my favorite
you know, my favorite sneakers at the store.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I went to.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
It is basically the Holocaust.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Yes, I mean, that's that's where we are and this
is what we were having jokes about. But no one
in America, Joe Wanda included as a general rule, has
any knowledge whatsoever of history. So everything has got to
be analogized to the Nazis.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Imagine if I can, if I can, if I just
if I compared everything to like the like, imagine if
I compared it to another genocide, you know, and it's
just like, oh, you know this is it's like the
Cambodian It's like the Cambodian genocide out here, man, Like
it's I've had to wait, you know fifteen, it's for
my my takeout order. People would be like, you're a
sick weirdo, like why would you you know, it's nothing
(33:05):
like the Cambodia or genocide. Million people plus died, you know,
brutal Mert.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
But you can say you can do.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
This thing now. Among among Demo I will say Republicans don't.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Don't.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I don't see this. I don't see our side going.
Oh you know, I had to wait in traffic too long.
It was basically the Holocaust, Like Democrats will do this now. Yeah,
they totally do.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
And by the way, that is, as you were just
laying out, that's their standard go to because we'll play tomorrow.
They're still trying to call Trump hitler, which is funny
in and of itself. But I think we're representative of
how they have continued to fail. And I think we
have a funny talkback. We have a good talk about
(33:46):
We've got some good VIP emails. Do the talkback first,
but I got some emails lined up for you of
the sartorial variety.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Oh no, oh no, what did we have? We had
somebody who wanted to talk about sat sweeny aa. That's
one good one.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I think, Hey, Clay and Bucks, Brian from Jacksonville love
your show, but man, today is not a good one.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
First hour and a half spent on two topics that
are gonna lead to nothing.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Let's talk about something important. Like Sidney Sweeney's boobs.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
There you go, try to try to break down the
huge complexity.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Everybody hear we rush a collusion.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, all this stuff last week about too much Clay
boobs talk, and now we get not enough boob I
don't know what to do.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I'm trying to trying to just keep it flowing, keep
it moving.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I didn't even know we got any negativity about that.
I got, hey, talk about boobs more. What do you
got talked back on clothes?
Speaker 7 (34:38):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I got VIP emails on clothes. Melanie writes in saw
Clay on the will Can Show yesterday. I actually ran
into the room just to see what he was wearing.
Much better exclamation point. So Melanie thinks you're taking notes
and you're doing a good job, unlike Deborah, who says Buck,
I love you, but that pale yellow jacket looks terrible.
(35:02):
It doesn't flatter your complexion. Ask your wife for color advice.
You have a cool or maybe neutral skin tone and
need more vibrant or cooler colors. Pale yellow ain't working.
How about blues or greens? Love you, Deborah, love you too. However,
it is a cream colored jacket, and I am here
in South Florida, in Miami Beach, no less, where we
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wear these kinds of jackets. And I don't want to
always look exactly like the host, because I have a
closet full of navy blue jackets that I can wear.
But you know, sometimes we like to spice it up
a little bit on the air. So I will take
how about this, I will take it under advisement and
bless your heart.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
I like to bless your heart.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Just sounding very much like a Southerner here, I most
people would just prefer that you only be a Navy
or black in this audience. I think I know, but
that I'm knowing a disservice to the beautiful color palettes
across the rainbow. Here is josh and Oklahoma. To close
this out more fun. What you got just.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Question is for Clay, why do you decide to die
on these hills?
Speaker 6 (36:04):
First inst the leap flowers, Then it's the flute players,
and now it's the attractive Kamala Harris to take. I
respect the fact that you stand by your decisions and
you're not swayed by any opinion at all, But I
just got to ask, man, why the dedication to these things?
Speaker 1 (36:21):
I can't believe you're controlling with your Kamala take. I think,
but you're not.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Sixty year old Kamala Harris is far better looking than
the average sixty year old woman in America's I don't
even understand.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
That's a crazy take at all.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
I don't even understand how we're still talking about this.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
How was just even getting anyone's attention out there? But
here we are.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I am being super kind to the beautiful Kamala
All right, third hour, Clay and Buck kicks off now,
and we're gonna get us some of your calls.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
You talk about from all that one entirely, I want to.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Say that on the economy and how things are going
for this administration so far, it has been excellent, and
I think we're just seeing the early stages of the
Trump two point zero economy. But there's that one little
thing that has come up where Trump is unhappy, and
no surprise, when he is unhappy, he makes that quite known.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
And he went and.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Called into CNBC's squawkbox. Who is the right thinking fellow
on the squawkbox?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
He's smart, Yes, mister Kernan. Thank you, mister Joe Kernin.
And I meant that by correct thinking, but maybe maybe
right thinking as well.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
But remember review, I think you rarely see me get
super excited to meet somebody. We met Joe Kernan at
the inaugural events in DC, and I was just like,
I've been watching Joe Kernin on CNBC for my whole
life basically, so meeting him in person, I was like
a schoolgirl giddy. So anyway, I'm a fan of Joe
(01:08):
Kernin's indeed indeed, and here he is on us. Here
Trump is the president on CNBC talking about this Bureau
of Labor Statistics throwdown, play one.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
This is a response rate over the last ten twelve
years for the BLS Household Survey. It's dropped from ninety
percent of so on time down to sixty and sometimes
even lower. It's arguably the most important number we get
about the economy. Yesterday we had warton Professor Jeremy Siegel,
(01:41):
and just bear with me as president, listen to this.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I'm not going to let the bos off the hook.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I mean, you know, you talk about how to fix it.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
You don't make these questionnaires mandatory and give them a
time limit to.
Speaker 7 (01:54):
Fill it out.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I mean, I think the response rates down to sixty percent,
I mean, that's on acceptable.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
For the most important statistic that.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
We have, So Clay, it seems like there are some
out there who are willing to back Trump.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Up with this way that we gauge jobs.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
There are problems with this, and if anyone wants to
disagree with that, explain why they have to revise dramatically
month after month The initial number and the actual number
has been substantially less many many times.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
In a row.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So I think that once again people say, oh, how
dare he and Trump he can't do that. It actually
kind of reminds me of Clay. Tell Clay he can't
do something, he'll do it.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Trump. Same deal.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
When you tell Trump you can't do that, sir, he
goes watch me.
Speaker 8 (02:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Look, I think again the success from the Trump economy.
I was reading and talking with some executives this one
hundred percent expensing, which I know sounds super nerdy and
a lot of people don't pay.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Attention to it.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
It is going to add jet fuel to the next
six to nine months of our economy. And so you
can come back and look at this, say Clay said
in August, I think by the time we are looking
at May and June of next year and we are
stepping into the official cycle of the midterms, I think
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it's going to be virtually impossible to argue that the
economy is not firing on all cylinders.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Now.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
There are things that can happen that are unfortunate that
no president can ever. We talked about the multiverse, which
is something they focus on in these do you have.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
A do you have a systemic economic risk? Right now
that worries.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
You like, what is this?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Yeah, yeah, go ahead, No, I was just going to say,
that's the question I was going to lead into February
of twenty twenty. We had the greatest economy the history
of the world.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
COVID happened.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Nothing that Trump did was the cause of COVID. Nothing
that anybody in America other than doctor Fauci potentially helping
to fund gain a function research.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
My play once again, very mean, Clay.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
My point on that is it's a sort of black
Swan event where you aren't directly at attributable to it.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I mentioned earlier nine to eleven.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Something that is outside the scope of any sort of
expected outcome is the only thing I see that could
A virus, a terror attack that is substantial in nature
that could derail the Trump economy because buck in the multiverse.
If we could go back in time and COVID never happens,
do you know how white hot the economy would have
(04:48):
been in November of twenty twenty, when everybody was going
to go vote and Democrats had locked in Joe Biden.
Trump would have won. I know some of you are
going to say he did, but I'm talking about there
would have not been the remote voting Biden wouldn't have
gotten to hide in the basement. I really think the
economy was poised for one of the greatest runs that
(05:11):
we have ever seen. COVID happened and derailed a lot
of that. I think, if nothing happens, knock on wood,
whatever proverbial positive thing you want to say to try
to defray negativity from happening, throw some salt over your shoulder.
I think by June of next year, we're going to
be firing economically on a level that we may never
have seen.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Before in the history of the United States.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
There's a lot of AI optimism, the fixed costs related
to taxes, the one hundred percent expensing for all these
companies out there to be able to invest in hyper
accelerating their efficiency and production. I think the tariff are
the tariffs are all going to be locked in place,
and they're not having the incredibly devastating effect that everybody anticipated.
(05:53):
I think the Fed is going to have to start
lowering interest rates, which is going to start to unfreeze
the overall houses market. I just think that we are
headed for an incredible economic boom that is not really
being talked about.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
Enough.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
And I know we've talked about AI on this show, Buck,
and I know you and I are far from tech
geniuses in terms of being able to analyze and understand AI.
If I flagged something I was reading yesterday, this potentially
and in fact, let me pull it up because I
thought it was super interesting on the economic front, that
essentially we are seeing a level of investment that we
(06:34):
have not seen that is changing the course of industry
in the United States since railroads in the eighteen eighties.
This AI revolution. This is according to Phil Kodrowski, who
is a tech founder investor pundit, we have already now
exceeded the investment dollars that were put in play for
(06:54):
the Internet for those of you who all remember certainly
the major impact of the Internet, and we are advancing
on the eighteen eighties expenses that were required to basically
cover the work cover the United States and rail to
allow us to transfer product and people at different rates
of speed. That this is right now the second biggest
(07:15):
economic investment boom AI that we have seen, only secondary
to the railroads.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
In the eighteen eighties.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
I don't think that most people have factored this in yet,
and so you know, I know we had some negativity about, hey,
what's going to happen with the law, fair and everything else.
I just think the economic potential and the economic might
of this country is about to be unlocked in a
way that a lot of people are not recognizing yet.
And so I put it down June of next year.
(07:43):
I think we're going to be barring something that we
can't control that is awful, like covid or nine to eleven.
Outside of the scope of the president and the policy
that he puts in place. I think that we are
headed for boom.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
And here we have. We got more going here from
this Trump interview. He spoke about the grand jury investigation,
which I know a lot of you are weighing in
on with emails and calls.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
We got some of this.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Here's what President Trump said just this morning about the
grand jury investigation into the Russia collusion hoax.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
This is cut four the.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Justice Department now it's happing a grand jury to look
into the intelligence community's assessment of what was happening with Russia.
Is that you have nothing to do with directing the
Justice Department, nothing to do PAM is doing a great job.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
I have nothing to do with it.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
I will tell you this, and.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
They deserve it.
Speaker 9 (08:35):
I was happy to hear it.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I actually read it just like you did.
Speaker 9 (08:39):
I have nothing to do with it.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
But what they did in the election, what they did
in even the last election, but it was too big
to rigs.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
But what they did in the twenty twenty election is
to grow test. So he's saying, look, not my thing.
DOJ's handling it. We'll see where it goes. And there's
the possibility I think that this moves along to that end.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
We've got so many VIP emails on this one. Phil
writes in I honestly don't care if anyone is indicted
in the probe. The process is the punishment. Remember, Make
them put up their homes for legal fees, confiscate their property,
put them through the proverbial ringer.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
What do you think of that one?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
They're all going to have their legal fees covered by
Democrat operatives. Look, I think you can argue, and this
is why I donated money. The people who bear the
brunt of legal costs are typically not rich people. This
is why I donated to the jan six defendants. People
think that Democrats are not going to line up and
(09:41):
pay whatever it costs for their top officials to be covered.
Did George Soros is not going to stroke a check
for four hundred million dollars or the George Soros equivalent.
No one is going to be bankrupted in any way
by legal fees.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
You said on air.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I think might have been off air, but it's basically,
this is one long conversation that we have. Barack Obama's
worth one hundred million dollars. The idea that unless you're
going to sue somebody civilly and it's a lawsuit and
it's business expenses, those kind of things which I'm putting
on the side, nobody is going to get bankrupted inside
of the Democrat Party because of legal fees. They're not
(10:20):
going to allow it to happen. So I think the
only thing that matters here is preserving the historic record
and making it clear what was done. And this is
why I've asked you this question. A ton hopefully trying
to depoliticize the intelligence agencies going forward such that they
(10:44):
actually are providing some measure of independent advice as opposed
to just acting as an arm of the American political
party in power.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Now.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Historically j Edgar Hoover ran the FBI as his personal fiefdom.
So we have had issues with intelligence gathering being used
for political purposes basically as long as the intelligence agencies
have existed. So I think what is going forward going
to happen. I would like to think that people start
(11:15):
to realize, Hey, I don't serve a president or an administration.
I serve the country. And I know that's why you
went to the CIA. You weren't trying to say, hey,
I want to just work for this president. You were saying,
I want to stop nine to eleven from ever happening again.
I want to catch the bad guys trying to kill
people in this country. That's what I want everybody in
the intelligence agency to be the focus of, not hey
(11:38):
I want Donald Trump in handcuffs, or I want this JD.
Vance or AOC or whoever you want to point to
down the line. And that's what I worry about going
forward at this point, correcting the historic record and figuring
it out so to that doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
To that end, Ernie writes in you guys are doing
a great job. Let me just say, Ernie, excellent start
to your VIP email by analyzing each individual aspect of
this process, though you are missing the big picture. Trump
knows there won't be any indictments. He's trying to correct
the history books as it pertains to his legacy. I
think it's brilliant. What do you think of my reasoning?
Thanks for what you're doing for America. Well, Ernie, I
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think we sometimes this happens. We've been saying this all
along too. It's important that this information gets out there.
I keep referring through this political accountability, and of course
part of that is legacy and what goes into the
history books. Getting the truth out there is important no
matter what comes of the criminal prosecution side of this.
And Ernie, you know, I'm not one hundred percent convinced
(12:37):
there won't be any indictments that come down from this
grand jury. And I don't think Trump knows one way
or the other because it's a grand jury, right, Trump's
not He's not involved in any of that. So I
think I see some of what you're saying there, but
we're definitely aware of And I would agree on the
point that Trump wants to get the information out because
of what happened to him and the American people.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Look the American people.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Well, I know it was a closer election than it
should have been in some ways, but repudiated lawfair in
this last If Kamala Harris was sitting here as president,
I'd be very worried about the future of the country,
just based on the fact that they would have managed
to use all this lawfair stuff successfully against Trump.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I also think going forward, the grand jury could drag
on for months. I mean, that's not uncommon when it
comes to grand jury's. You don't know how targeted the
grand jury process is going to be. And I just
think most people in this audience already know everything that
happened with Russia. You mentioned you talked about it for years.
(13:39):
I don't think there's any revelations so far that have
been shocking to most people. The people who need to
see it are all the MSNBC and New York Times readers,
which is the ones that I said, what's their reaction
going to be?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Here?
Speaker 4 (13:51):
We were not surprised when they tried to indict Trump
for what they indicted him for. We told you it
was all coming. I don't know what their media are
telling them and what their reaction is going to be.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
It was I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Eight years ago when I woke up one morning and
I got all these text messages, They're like, see what
the big guy did. And I had no idea what
they're talking about because it was groggy in the morning.
I'm not a morning person. And Clay, it was all
on Russia collusion stuff. I've been saying, you know, they
abuse Fiza, they're clearly lying, they're using the spying powers.
Now you go back, it's all on the Twitter record.
Trump retweeted me, I think five or six times in
(14:23):
a row on Russia collusion. Like his Twitter account was
six retweets of Buck one morning. So that was eight
years ago. So trust me, we're on it. Like we
see this, we know, we get the full extent of
the dirty game. And if I had gone to work
for this administration, which as I've been open with you,
was a conversation certainly in twenty twenty, in open conversation,
(14:46):
I know that a big part of the job would
have been with Tulca and Ratcliffe forre doing now as
D and I and DCIA, which is looking into the
Russia collusion scam and finally getting some accountability on. But
we were talking to the economy a few minutes ago,
and I just think it's so important that, yes, Trump
is doing great things, Yes we have to pay close
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attention to that, but we also have to do things
ourselves for our own bank accounts, for our own financial futures.
And that's where I think gold just plays a critical role.
I've been a gold guy for a long time. I
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Speaker 3 (16:16):
Welcome back in. You're about to be mad at John
in Salt Lake City. What you got for us?
Speaker 7 (16:20):
John Obama's got to walk. He's the insurance policy because
in the words of Vinnie Gambini, this is the Democrat Party.
There ain't no way they're not gonna try to prosecute
and imprison Donald Trump. And my second point.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Hold on, you said you want Trump to pardon Obama
because otherwise they're gonna try to attack Trump.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
Don't even no, no, don't even go after him. They
gotta let him walk right now, He's not even gonna
be involved. And I'd just like to make one other point,
in the words of a hard Decay tell in the
National Treasure movie, somebody's got to go to jail Jack,
and it's gonna be John Brennan. He's the patsy for
a spy. He's got the biggest mouth in Washington, and
(17:03):
he's already Doug, his great love you guys.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Well, we'll see whether anybody ends up going to jail.
I think that'll be an interesting debate. Chuck in Fort Binnning,
Georgia quickly chuck, what you got for us?
Speaker 9 (17:15):
Yeah, Hey, peon's like me down in the trenches fighting
for conservative values on your local news website or social
media and all keep getting hitting with. Hey, Trump's on
the Epstein list, Trump's pedophile. I'd like to see a
Republican Congress or the current DOJ put Loretta Lynch, Merrick Garland,
Kamala Harris put any of them on the stand under oath.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
And that's happening. Thanks for the call, Thanks for the call.
James Comer has subpoena basically every attorney general that has
ever existed in most of your lives to testify. Nothing
will come of it. You're just telling you that's my prediction.
But that's what's happening. So they're doing exactly what you asked.
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Speaker 1 (18:52):
All right, Welcome back into Clayan Buck. Alex Marlow joins
us now. He's editor in chief of Breipartnews, hosts of
the Alex Marlin Show podcast. New book Breaking the Law,
which I'm holding up a copy of right here you
can all see by Alex Marlow.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Good day to be.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Discussing it, exposing the weaponization of America's legal system against
Donald Trump. Mister Marlow, welcome the program first time. What
do you think happens at this stage of the effort
to both expose and maybe get accountability for the law.
Speaker 8 (19:25):
Fair gentlemen, First of all, thank you for having me.
Buck and I share a agent, the Great Craig Kitchen
radio legend, and I will tell you that I'm happy
to talk about the book all you want, but I
really just want to get on the show to tell
you guys, I'm out of dark Roast and I want
to make sure that I can get refill as soon
as possible.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
So we got a crack.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
We got a cracked coffee guy in the mix. Too fantastic,
That's what we love to hear. So but no, really,
today everyone's calling him. We're getting a little bit of
heat from some quarters here, just trying to assess the
likelihood of the grand The grand jury may bring down indictments.
I could see that happening. I wouldn't say likely, but possible.
On the comer subpoenas. I think that's a little more
(20:08):
of a stretch. But what do you see not just
with that, but the whole effort to root out and
prevent the lawfare that we've seen from ever happening again.
Speaker 8 (20:18):
Yeah, I'm actually heartened by this. I know you guys
are really terrific on social media, so you know this
probably as well as anyone. That a lot of the
grassroots in our movement are totally cynical now. They don't
believe anything will happen, they don't believe anyone will be
held to account, and the left can just get away
with anything. And I feel like there is a genuine
effort finally from people with actual power to hold people accountable.
(20:41):
That maybe that's not acceptable, That maybe the way things
have been my entire adult life so long as I've
been politically cognizant, where there's been two tiers of justice,
maybe it's time to end. Now. Do I believe it.
I'll believe it when I see it. I'll believe it
when I finally see the purp walks and the handcuffs.
But it does feel like this effort is not fake.
It feels like this is a real effort. James Tomer's
a good man. I trust him to try to find
(21:02):
the actual bodies if you're buried somewhere, And I think
that we're off to good start. At Toulsy Gabbard as well.
I think it takes as really seriously. She's fearless, so
I think there's some real opportunity. Of course, you'd be
wrong if you don't do your doubts that Pam Bondi
can bring in the goods at this point. But I'm
happy to give her a shot. And I like energy.
The energy is very good and it's going to keep
(21:23):
the base engaged.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Okay, So what happens if that doesn't occur? Right?
Speaker 4 (21:29):
So, one of the challenges that I think exists in
all the public life, and thanks for coming on with us,
and you have great taste and coffee, is what do
we do when it comes to promises made, promises kept right,
and when you over promise. And I think there's no
doubt that Pam Bondi when she gave out the Epstein
files Phase one or whatever it was called to the influencers,
(21:51):
she over promised. I think she over promised when she
did the interviews with Fox News about what was on
her desk, the files, and what they were going to reveal.
My concern here is if you say, hey, we're opening
a Russia Gate investigation, we're bringing in a grand jury,
we're in paneling. A lot of people expect to see handcuffs,
they expect to see arrest. Is there a danger of
(22:12):
over promising and under delivering with this particular story.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
Absolutely there is. And the Pam Bondi Phase one rollout
where she kind of humiliated all of those influencers coming
out of the wrestling of the White House who were
holding up the binders as if they had gotten some
sort of a participation trophy. That was really terrible. She
set those people up to look really bad, and I
think that hurt her a lot, and I think that
she's got to be super careful not to do that again.
(22:38):
And it's sort of an unthinkable mistake. It's pretty mind
blowing that that happened, and it does make you lose
some faith. But I'll tell you as a civilian, as
a media guy like you guys, I just want people engaged.
I think that this is a long game and if
we're playing this over a decade long horizon, creating that
civic engagement and creating that climate of fear for the
(22:59):
left that you cannot break the law, you cannot violate
the public trust, you cannot use your power to try
to nefariously carry out unjust political means, and if you do,
you're gonna be in You could get indictments, You're going
to get tied up in legal chaos, Your life is
going to be a living hell. I think that that's
a positive development, and it will get people motivated to
(23:21):
stay engaged civically, to go to the polls and keep
voting out the bad guys. So I think the worst
case scenario here is actually pretty good. The best case
scenario the purp walks and the handcuffs. I would love
to see it. But even if we don't, I still
think this is positive culturally.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Tell us a bit about what you lay out here
in the book. You've got broken scales, a trial that
never should have happened the woman. Is it mostly a
deep dive into the lawfare that has happened? Or do
you get into more of the blueprint of the counter
revolution if you will, the counter strike?
Speaker 8 (23:55):
Yeah. So basically I start with a brief history of lawfair,
and I trace it back to Franklin Roosevelt, who wanted
to pack the court with more Supreme Court justices so
that he could use that as an extra executive branch.
And I trace it to roeby Wade, which was really
the first big lawfair moment where a far left court
took the most hot button issue of all hot button
(24:16):
issues and took it out of the realm of debate
and put it into the realm of civil rights. It
led to a massive boom and abortions and was really
sort of unprecedented. And then I take it to Joe Biden,
who really is the godfather of modern lawfair with his
working of Robert Bork in the field high tech lynching,
Clarence Thomas to Obama and Holder and what they did
(24:37):
to try to target conservative groups using the law instead
of trying to uphold law and order in their streets.
But the centerpiece is a deep dive on the six
major cases against Donald Trump, and I traced the coordination
all the way to the White House. In every single instance,
the White House was involved in the lawfair against Donald Trump,
(24:58):
no doubt, in order to try subvert our democracy and
rid the twenty twenty four election. I think it's arguably
the scandal of the century, and it's getting paid no
mind right now, and hopefully this culture where we're revisiting
the Russiagate hoax, we were visiting some of the horrible
things that were done to President Trump in the past.
We have to add this to the list because if
the left had their way, they would have rigged the
(25:18):
twenty four election using the law fier and it was
the Biden Whitehouse that was doing it.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
I'm glad you brought this up because I actually think
the most significant aspect of the twenty sixteen story is
the lies that they told in twenty sixteen about Russia collusion.
A lie allowed them to dismiss everything having to do
with Hunter and Joe Biden and the laptop as all
the hallmarks of Russian disinformation. If twenty sixteen hadn't happened,
(25:47):
the lies they told there would not have allowed what
I think was the even more consequential lies they told
in twenty twenty to take root. I do think that
is significant. So I want to get your take on
that second part to this, What does the future look
like for intelligence? This is what Buck and I were
just talking about. Buck obviously has a great deal of
(26:07):
expertise on this. But where do we go from here?
Because I think there are a lot of people out
there saying, Hey, I agree with you on everything sixteen,
everything twenty, but I'm concerned about what's going to happen
in twenty eight and thirty two and thirty six going forward.
How do we make sure that it isn't one long
replication of what we saw happen in sixteen.
Speaker 8 (26:28):
Yeah, they connected. I'm really glad clear that he made
this connection because I haven't even had a chance to
make this connection, and we're just starting to do press
for the book comes out today, so it's the But
this is the point I've been trying to get out there,
which is that the law here in the run up
to twenty twenty four, where the party in power tried
to stop the standard bearer or the other party from
(26:49):
becoming president by jailing him and bankrupting him, that was
only possible because they got away with everything in twenty sixteen.
They believe they were untouchable. They believe that they could
do such blatant core a nation is having the top
players in district courts go to the White House to
meet with White House attorneys clandestinely in the middle of
a trial, and the establishment media would say nothing about it.
(27:10):
It would come and go in the news in two
minutes if it even got there at all. You to
people like Jack Smith who operated illegally. He was an
illegal appointment, and he was allowed to operate for eighteen
months with the full support of the US government. It
was an unconstitutional appointment that was only even attempted because
they got away with bloody murder in twenty sixteen. So
if we let them get away with it again twenty sixteen,
(27:32):
twenty twenty twenty four, of course we should be very
cynical that things are only going to get worse in
twenty eight and twenty thirty two. And to your point
about the intelligence, that's why the people who are the
bad actors need to live in fear that they're going
to try to subvert our democracy and to use our
intelligence agencies to subvert an American political party the right
instead of doing their job and trying to protect our country.
(27:54):
Then they're going to have massive consequences, and to this
point they've had done.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I think that's the super important part about this. The
book Breaking the Law of the author Alex Marlowe. He's
a New York Times bestseller. Go check out Breaking the
Law and Alex, thanks for being with us.
Speaker 8 (28:12):
My pleasure, guys, thank you, thank you again.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
No doubt and a huge part of the continuing impact.
I was watching Bill Hemmer today on Fox News. He
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what is going on.
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In Israel as we.
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(30:26):
be fun. Texas State Representative Joe Landa Jones, who has
fled the state to Illinois rather than have.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Joelanda jo Yolanda. Usually, I think, is how you know?
Is it Joelnda?
Speaker 4 (30:42):
According to our team, it is Jolanda. So Yolanda is
typically a is typically a name that would be popular.
But this, according to our team, is Joelanda. I'm maybe
it's pronounced no. No, you're probably right. You're probably right. She
has fled the state to protest redistricting in Texas. She
(31:04):
says this is just like the Holocaust cut twenty nine.
Speaker 12 (31:08):
And then integration happened and everybody thought they accept this.
They don't accept this. They are showing us who they are.
We should believe them, and we better have the courage
to stand up otherwise we will fall for anything. And
in this country we will be defeated, deported. I mean,
we will lose all of our rights. And if you
think it can't happen, it can. And I will liken
this to the Holocaust. People are like, well, how did
(31:28):
the Holocaust happen? How is somebody in a position to
kill all their people? Well, good people remain silent or
good people didn't realize that what happens to them can
very soon happen to me or somebody I love. And
so you and even so, even if you made it, man,
you have an obligation to help people who came because
God forbid, they end up targeting you and your family.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
So, Joe Wanda, it is with the Jay Joe Wanda.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
They are saying, boy, if Texas readiss, next thing it's
going to happen is concentration camps.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
These people, how.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Far are democrats from? I had to wait in line
at the DMV for too long. It's basically the Holocaust.
I just want to know what is really the like,
what is the barrier, what is.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
The the the the the level that you have to
reach for a Holocaust comparison.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Now you know, they didn't they didn't have my favorite
you know, my favorite sneakers at the store.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I went to.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
It is basically the Holocaust.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Yes, I mean, that's that's where we are and this
is what we were having jokes about. But no one
in America, Joe Wanda included as a general rule, has
any knowledge whatsoever of history. So everything has got to
be analogized to the Nazis.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Imagine if I can, if I can, if I just
if I compared everything to like the like, imagine if
I compared it to another genocide, you know, and it's
just like, oh, you know this is it's like the
Cambodian It's like the Cambodian genocide out here, man, Like
it's I've had to wait, you know fifteen, it's for
my my takeout order. People would be like, you're a
sick weirdo, like why would you you know, it's nothing
(33:05):
like the Cambodia or genocide. Million people plus died, you know,
brutal Mert.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
But you can say you can do.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
This thing now. Among among Demo I will say Republicans don't.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Don't.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I don't see this. I don't see our side going.
Oh you know, I had to wait in traffic too long.
It was basically the Holocaust, Like Democrats will do this now. Yeah,
they totally do.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
And by the way, that is, as you were just
laying out, that's their standard go to because we'll play tomorrow.
They're still trying to call Trump hitler, which is funny
in and of itself. But I think we're representative of
how they have continued to fail. And I think we
have a funny talkback. We have a good talk about
(33:46):
We've got some good VIP emails. Do the talkback first,
but I got some emails lined up for you of
the sartorial variety.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Oh no, oh no, what did we have? We had
somebody who wanted to talk about sat sweeny aa. That's
one good one.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I think, Hey, Clay and Bucks, Brian from Jacksonville love
your show, but man, today is not a good one.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
First hour and a half spent on two topics that
are gonna lead to nothing.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Let's talk about something important. Like Sidney Sweeney's boobs.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
There you go, try to try to break down the
huge complexity.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Everybody hear we rush a collusion.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, all this stuff last week about too much Clay
boobs talk, and now we get not enough boob I
don't know what to do.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I'm trying to trying to just keep it flowing, keep
it moving.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I didn't even know we got any negativity about that.
I got, hey, talk about boobs more. What do you
got talked back on clothes?
Speaker 7 (34:38):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I got VIP emails on clothes. Melanie writes in saw
Clay on the will Can Show yesterday. I actually ran
into the room just to see what he was wearing.
Much better exclamation point. So Melanie thinks you're taking notes
and you're doing a good job, unlike Deborah, who says Buck,
I love you, but that pale yellow jacket looks terrible.
(35:02):
It doesn't flatter your complexion. Ask your wife for color advice.
You have a cool or maybe neutral skin tone and
need more vibrant or cooler colors. Pale yellow ain't working.
How about blues or greens? Love you, Deborah, love you too. However,
it is a cream colored jacket, and I am here
in South Florida, in Miami Beach, no less, where we
(35:22):
wear these kinds of jackets. And I don't want to
always look exactly like the host, because I have a
closet full of navy blue jackets that I can wear.
But you know, sometimes we like to spice it up
a little bit on the air. So I will take
how about this, I will take it under advisement and
bless your heart.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
I like to bless your heart.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Just sounding very much like a Southerner here, I most
people would just prefer that you only be a Navy
or black in this audience. I think I know, but
that I'm knowing a disservice to the beautiful color palettes
across the rainbow. Here is josh and Oklahoma. To close
this out more fun. What you got just.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Question is for Clay, why do you decide to die
on these hills?
Speaker 6 (36:04):
First inst the leap flowers, Then it's the flute players,
and now it's the attractive Kamala Harris to take. I
respect the fact that you stand by your decisions and
you're not swayed by any opinion at all, But I
just got to ask, man, why the dedication to these things?
Speaker 1 (36:21):
I can't believe you're controlling with your Kamala take. I think,
but you're not.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Sixty year old Kamala Harris is far better looking than
the average sixty year old woman in America's I don't
even understand.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
That's a crazy take at all.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
I don't even understand how we're still talking about this.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
How was just even getting anyone's attention out there? But
here we are.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I am being super kind to the beautiful Kamala
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