June 19, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a powerful and wide-ranging discussion centered on national security, foreign policy, immigration, and cultural commentary, with a strong emphasis on current events involving President Donald Trump and Iran. Clay Travis opens the hour with breaking news: President Trump has issued a two-week ultimatum to Iran to return to the negotiating table, raising critical questions about the regime’s trustworthiness and long-term nuclear ambitions. Travis offers a detailed analysis of Iran’s strategic motivations, drawing parallels to North Korea’s nuclear deterrence and emphasizing the rationality behind tyrannical regimes seeking nuclear weapons to maintain power.
The conversation explores the geopolitical implications of Iran’s nuclear program, the risks of appeasement, and the potential for military intervention. Travis suggests that Israel, with U.S. air support, may need to take direct action against Iran’s nuclear facilities, including the possibility of targeting the Ayatollah. He argues that Iran’s leadership has proven untrustworthy for over four decades and that now, with Iran at its weakest, is the time for decisive action.
Guest Joey Jones, a decorated Marine Corps veteran and Fox News contributor, joins the show to discuss his new book, Behind the Badge: Answering the Call to Serve on America’s Home Front. Jones shares insights from first responders across the country and reflects on his own military service. He also weighs in on the Iran situation, emphasizing the importance of clear objectives in any military engagement and expressing confidence in President Trump’s strategic approach.
The hour also touches on domestic issues, including a Supreme Court ruling upholding Tennessee’s restrictions on gender transition procedures for minors. Travis and Jones discuss the implications of the ruling, highlighting the importance of parental responsibility and the dangers of irreversible medical decisions for children.
In a cultural segment, Travis reacts to Arnold Schwarzenegger’s recent comments on immigration, praising his analogy that immigrants should behave like respectful guests in America. The show also covers the growing popularity and controversy surrounding Caitlin Clark and the WNBA, with Jones noting the league’s increased visibility due to recent on-court drama.
Listeners from across the country call in and leave talkbacks, weighing in on topics ranging from Iran and college football tailgates to gender politics and international travel. The hour closes with a call to support the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews in their humanitarian efforts in Israel, following recent missile attacks.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in final our juneteenth edition of the program.
I know most of you are probably working as am I.
We will have Joey Jones join us at the bottom
of the hour. We appreciate all of you hanging out
with us as we are rolling through this Thursday edition
of the program. A lot of different stories out there.
(00:21):
In particular, we just hit you with the latest breaking
news on Iran and the decisions that President Trump must make.
Via Caroline Levitt, he announced that he would give two
weeks potentially to Inran to come to the negotiating table.
God that news just coming down the last thirty minutes
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or so. Here's my analysis in general of this, and Trump, obviously,
for much of his life, has been a professional negotiator,
so I'm sure he is analyzing this in his own
way as well. How can you trust Iran in any
way not to do what is in their best interests
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Let me explain what I mean by that Kim Jong
un has nuclear weapons in North Korea. It would be
far better if he did not have nuclear weapons in
North Korea, but his decision to get them, while he
may be a crazy despot, was eminently rational, and that
decision was based on this. Once you have nuclear weapons,
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the ability of any other country, given the risk that
it would entail, to ever overthrow you, is minimal. So
if your goal is to maintain power above all else,
the lesson of Kim Jong un is actually a good
one from a negotiating perspective. And it is this, people
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who are tyrants can still behave rationally when it comes
to obtaining the best possible weapons which allow their tyranny
to continue. Why would Iran give up the pursuit of
nuclear weapons when the pursuit of nuclear your weapons guarantees
that the people in control of Iran, the authoritarian moled dictators,
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will remain in control forever. That's the That's the ultimate
question that I can't get past. And if I'm missing something,
you can call in, you can give me a talkback,
you can explain the negotiating lever here that I am missing.
Eight hundred and two eighty two two eight eight two
(02:27):
eighty percent of Americans say we don't want Iran to
get a nuclear weapon. That's huge majorities of Democrats, Republicans,
and independents. It is actually a bipartisan agreement by and large.
If you are in that eighty percent, which I am.
I don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons. I think
it makes the world less safe. I think it makes
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us less safe. I think it makes a disastrous world
war predicated on nuclear weapon exchange of fire far more likely.
So I'm in that eighty percent. I would imagine most
of the rest of you are. Now, for the twenty
percent of you, I don't even know what you're thinking.
How do you not care if Iran gets nuclear weapons? Oh,
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I don't care if a crazy religious despot has the
ability to push a button and kill tens of millions
of people. The only thing I can think of those
twenty percent that are adopting that perspective, that's twenty percent
of Democrats, twenty percent of Republicans, twenty percent of independence
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is you don't believe that Iran is actually trying to
get nuclear weapons because the idea of hey, I don't
care if Iran has nuclear weapons, it doesn't make sense
to me because it's not a rational decision. Now, maybe
I'm missing something. You can make the argument for what
I'm missing. Oh, I don't care if Iran blows up Israel, Clay,
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that seems like a bad decision because Israel has nuclear weapons,
and if Iran fires nuclear weapons at Israel, than Israel's
definitely going to fire nuclear weapons in Iran. And for
those of you out there say, well, Iran would never
use them, well, are you really willing to risk that?
These are people who want to destroy America, who chant
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death to America at every opportunity, who consider us to
be the great Satan. I don't think they're lying about that.
I don't think they're that fond of us, meaning the leadership.
I think the individual citizens of Iran, many of whom
are young, are actually quite fond of America and the West,
and like our music and like our movies and all
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those things. That's a different story. That's why I think
if the Ayatolas were removed that we might well end
up with far better leadership in Iran. And frankly, I
don't think we would end up with worse leadership, because
I don't think we could have a worse situation in
Iran than what we have right now. So if you
believe as I do, that it is imminently rational even
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for a regime that is committed to a religious fundamentalism
of a Muslim nature, right, these are people that would
be very happy to clement as many terror attacks in
the United States and Israel and any other Western civilization
around the world as they could pull off. That's what
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they tried to fund with Hamas and Hesbela and Syria.
That's what they've spent generations attempting to do. They are
happy to kill as many Americans as they could, and
would gladly do so if they believe they could get
away with it. So why are negotiations going to work.
This is where I come back to my antibiotic analogy
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that I made a couple of years ago. If you
start to take antibiotics for an infection and then you
stop before you have killed the infection, you actually make
the infection stronger in your body because going a third
of the way or half the way towards eliminating the infection,
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when you don't completely eliminate it allows the infection to
grow back stronger than it otherwise would. That feels to
me like what is likely to happen in Iran. And
so you have to come back in ten years or
twelve years or twenty years even heavier than you did
right now. And maybe you don't have that same opportunity
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in the future, because right now there is no aerial defense,
the cost to doing things to Iran is virtually negligible.
Hamas is down, Hesbaa is down, Siri is down. Iran
has never been weaker. Right now is the time to
kill the virus once and for all. In my opinion,
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And if you told me, hey, there's a new regime
that's taking over in Iran, we can trust them more.
I may or may not believe that, but that would
at least be a sign that things might have changed.
But how can you trust the Ayatola Kameni? How can
you trust anyone affiliated with this authoritarian government in Iran
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based on their history since nineteen seventy nine? You know,
in Syria, we're basically rolling the dice in saying, hey,
this new leadership, we hope it's going to be better
than a sod. We're going to try to give them
the space to create a safer, more democratic human rights
of at least better in Syria than what has been
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in the past. So I don't know how that's going
to go. But someone knew who you don't have a
past history with, things could go better. Trump is a
fabulous negotiator. He has done all sorts of deals. I
have to believe that in the back of his mind
he is thinking exactly what I am telling you right now,
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which is it's in their self interest to get nuclear weapons.
Right now, they might claim to you that they're going
to give up that pursuit, But when it is in
the interest of Iran's leaders to have nuclear weapons, and
when they have consistently lied to us, they lied to Obama,
they've lied to the globe, why in the world would
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you expect that suddenly they're going to say, oh, you
know what, we're going to give up our pursuit of
nuclear weapons. Doesn't make sense to me. Now, Trump, in
putting out that two weeks, could be doing what Trump
was doing last week, which is they basically covered up
the fact that Israel was about to go all in
and they knew it. And so maybe that is part
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of what's taking place right now that he's trying to
wull the Iranian regime into sleep, thinking, oh, we have
two weeks to make decisions, when in reality, in two
days He's going to rain down holy hell on them.
That's my only analysis, and I'm open to the idea
that I've always opened the idea that I'm missing something,
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or there's an angle of this dispute or this negotiation
that is more that I'm missing. But I don't think
I am. We got a group that's been in power
since nineteen seventy nine. That's my entire life. I'm not
a young man. Forty six years the Ayatola and his
compatriots have been in charge of Iran. We've got a
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forty six year history that they hate America and are untrustworthy.
Why do I trust them now when they're clinging onto
power by their fingertips, that they're suddenly going to say, oh,
you know what, that forty six year history, Yeah, we're
going to disavow that we're going to be good, trustworthy
negotiating partners from here on henceforth. I just don't buy it.
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It doesn't add up logically, and so I think the
only option Trump has is. Look, he could say, hey,
I'm not going to give you the big bunker buster
Iran sended Israel. Send in your special forces and take
over that nuclear site with boots on the ground, with
your elite troops. You guys just take care of this,
(10:10):
will give you air cover. You have the ability now
to do it. We've taken over the skies around Tehran
and all over the country. Go in and do it
boots on the ground style instead of this big bunker
buster bomb getting us directly involved. Hey, Israel, this is
your battle. You're the ones taking out these nuclear armaments.
(10:31):
You go ahead and do it. You know what I'm
doing them. If I'm Israel, though, again, you got to
think about the decisions that they have to make rationally,
the leadership, they're analyzing, they're seeing all this information, all
these data. I would take out the Ayatola. Ron knows
better than anybody that this guy can't be trusted. And yes,
(10:55):
it is a significant step to take out the leader
of a foreign country. Understand But if I'm net in Yahoo,
what is Netanyahu's seventy five years old? Since he was
oh man, you know, live math and me is bad
for the last nearly half century, since he was like
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twenty nine years old, thirty years old, he's been dealing
with the lies coming out of Iran. He's seventy five.
If I were net in Yahoo, I'd take out the
Ayahtolis rationally based on his desires and based on my
forty six year history of not being able to trust
(11:38):
anything that they would do. Now, the challenge is what
does Trump say there? If I'm net yahou, I just
go do it. I mean, the United States can say
we weren't involved. That was a that was in an
Israeli decision, that was an Israeli operation. But I think
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I would go ahead and take him out because I
don't think you could end up with a worse situation
of leadership than what happens than what they have right now. Now,
maybe there's a group inside of Iran that Israel could
allow to rise up. It would be better if Iran
(12:23):
had their Ayatola thrown over by Iranians, if it were
Iranian citizens themselves who rose up to depose their leadership.
But I think the Ayatola has such power in the
country that's unlikely. I would also bet that they have
got him hidden in such a way, even though Trump
sent a message yesterday saying we know where you are.
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I would also bet they've got him hidden in such
a way that actually advancing on them with boots on
the ground military is incredibly challenging to do, maybe impossible,
And so those are sort of the larger strategic annalysis
that I would be working through in my mind. Now
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Speaker 1 (15:30):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. One positive
that is not getting a lot of attention, and I
think it's just because of how successful it has been.
There was an announcement that effectively no one has in
any way crossed our southern border in May. I believe
(15:50):
the number team correct me if I'm wrong. Last year,
even as the numbers began to decline because Biden was
panicking as the numbers looked bad for him. In real life,
I think there were sixty four thousand people who illegally
entered the country in May of twenty twenty four. This month,
meaning the one just passed in May, zero zero people
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actually crossing into the country. It's pretty amazing, all right,
quick calls here, Joe Jones going to join us on
the bottom side, Earl in Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
What you got, hey, thanks for going to let me on.
I you know Trump, Trump giving two weeks no, we've
dealt with these criminals and I the Ayatola for decades
and decades. Let's just go in and make the country
a parking lot, get rid of it, exhaust them, and
move on. It's time, all right.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
That is Earl in Cincinnati, ready to go all in
and wipe out leadership. Bob in Savannah, Georgia, what do
you think?
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Yeah, so people don't believe that the Iranians want to
kill Death to America. Check the numbers out. It's like
six hundred and five American soldiers of men and women,
not all but women. But did okay? And then we're
going to say, okay, well we're going to negotiate with
this idiot Iatoa and uh, he's basically going to change
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his way of life after fifty years of generating terrorism
and killing people for fifty years and all of a
sudden think he's going to turn into a good guy.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
There's no way.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
And so I don't believe in an assassination at all,
but I do believe that we need to somehow take
out that four dow thing. The one thing that nobody
talks about, though, is what type of nuclear radiation of
breakup is going to happen in that area? And nobody
talks about that. I'm going to ask about that.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
It's a great question. If we hit and there's been
talk that Trump has said, okay, does the bunker busting
bomb work? Some of you may be nuclear radiation experts.
It would have shocked me at all in this audience.
Let us know because my wife asked that question. Hey,
how come nobody's asking if we had four now this
aranean nuclear site and we totally obliterate it to smithereens,
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if there's nuclear capabilities there, wouldn't that potentially create more
significant damage after the hit. I think it's a fabulous
question he just raised. I didn't know the answer with
my wife asked, I don't know the answer with my
wife asked a lot of questions. By the way, phrase
occasionally used apple doesn't fall far from the tree meant
to suggest son or daughter, very similar to mom or
(18:25):
dad Bucks smart guy, Well so is his dad. And
while he's never spent a day on the radio, spent
his life on Wall Street. Mason Sexton called the crash
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dot com paid for by Paradigm Press. Welcome back in
Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging
out with us. We're rolling through the jew teenth edition
of the program. I wanted to play a couple of
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things here that I thought were significant that we rolled
over from yesterday. Arnold Schwarzenegger has been doing the rounds.
He was on the view, he was on Jimmy Kimmel.
I don't know if we have the latest yet in
from his appearance on Jimmy Kimmel, but I did think
that this was super interesting Cut twenty three. Here he said,
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and the view didn't really like what he said it.
Immigrants need to act like guests when they come into
the country. This has cut twenty three.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
I just think the world of the great kind of
history that we have with immigrants in America. But the
key thing also is at the same time that we
got to do things legal. That is important thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
So he's you got to.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Do things legal. And those people that are doing illegal
things in America and did the foreign us, they are
not smart. Because when you come to America your guest,
and you have to behave like a guest. Like when
I go to someone's house and I'm a guest, then
that would do everything I can, keep things clean and
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to make my paid and to do everything that is
the right thing to do, rather than committing a crime
of being abusive with something like that. So that doesn't
really work in this country.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
It's a great analogy, right, I mean, I think a
lot of you understand that if someone is nice enough
to open up their home to you and you are
staying there as a guest and you trash it, that
reflects really poorly on you. And also the people who
gave you the hospitality are unlikely to extend that hospitality
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not only to you, but probably less likely to extend
hospitality going forward to others. And he continued, by the way,
this is I think important for the views audience to hear.
Here he is saying, look, you have a responsibility when
you're an immigrant to pay back America for what it
did to you for you and to give back to
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the Country Cut twenty four.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
The important thing is when you become an immigrant to
think about, Okay, I go to America because I'm going
to use America for the great opportunities that America has
in education, in jobs, creating a family, all of those
kind of things. Then you have to think about, Okay,
if I get all of those things from America, then
I have to give something back. You have a responsibility
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as an immigrant to give back to America and to
pay back to America, and to go and do something
for your community for no money whatsoever. Give something back
to after school programs, especial Olympics or whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Make this party of Plato. As well said by Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Joey Jones with us. Now you're around my age. I'm
sure you grew up watching Arnold Schwartzeneagel's Schwarzenegger Sylvester Stallone,
that universe of really big time action stars. Can you
believe that that's considered to be controversial now? But I don't.
(21:59):
As well said by Arnold Well, I.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Think it's controversial because it's being said by Arnold Soorzenegger.
I have a little bit longer memory, and I remember
some of the videos he was putting out criticizing Donald
Trump in a really ridiculous way over the last handful
of years. So I just add him to the latest,
the latest of the long list of Trump derangement victims
who have started to see the light, probably because all
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the people that make them popular and rich have also
seen the light and so their following suit. And I
appreciate that he said those things. I think, I'll say,
I think he believed those things, but he has largely
ignored the things like that that he believes in order
to criticize Donald Trump for the last six years. And
it's good to see him come around.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Tell me about the I believe you have a book out,
if I'm not mistaken, tell me about what you're going
around talking about right now.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Yeah, that's important thing for me to talk about right now.
It is this book because it's something that's so important
to me. It's not to say that were in the
other things that were that we're discussing aren't just as
important more so. But before we can worry about where,
we have to get out of our house, go do
the things we do in our lives and try to
stay safe doing them. And there are people out there
called first responders that keep us, really keep us alive.
(23:12):
And I wish it were just personal experience in the
sense of I got pulled over one time, but it's not.
It's people that are really close to me in my life.
My brother in law is somebody that's been an uncle
toomy since fellas three years old, a guy that I went.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
To war with.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
And these are Indiana State Trooper fireman. These are a
game boarding in the state of Maine, a SWAT team
member near Baltimore LAPD bomb squad, and their stories are
just they're inspiring from a position of how do you
keep doing this every day? How do you get out
of your house every day and drive your kids to
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school through an intersection where someone was killed there last
night and you responded to it, you know? How do
you drive by an apartment building that you've gone through
so many times for a drug overdose or domestic violence
or a fire. And how do you live in your
battlefield and get up every morning and you're happy to
go to work and you carry that weight, not just
the weight of your gear, but the memories of all
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the things you've ex ceriousd in your own community and
still function as a dad or a wife or a son,
and I got to sit down with none of those
people and ask those questions. We made this book from it,
and it's just an amazing piece of history. Really.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
The book's called Behind the Badge, Answering the Call to
serve on America's home Front. You served lost your legs
Purple Heart recipient, so you uniquely are probably experiencing what's
going on with Iran based on the service that you
already have given to this country and the sacrifice that
you've made. So if President Trump called you up and
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he said, hey, what advice would you give me based
on what you've seen about the situation in Iran, you
would say.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
What, what's the clear objective? If you can, if you can,
if you can explain a clear objective of what you
want to accomplish, that I'm absolutely supportive of you, because
as a president, you've already shown that your goal was
not to put service members on the front lines for
twenty years. Your goal is not to convince the American
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people every two years to fund an endless war. Their
goal isn't to wrap us up in a war that
the objective changes every two years, that it goes from
we want to kill Osama bin Laden, so we want
to create democracy and spread and spread our belief system
across the Middle East. I don't believe that President Trump
has those goals. President Trump's goal is to keep Americans
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not just for the four years he's in office, but
for the next forty years. I also believe that's why
he has the economic vision he has, and so he's
built enough trust in me for his first four years
in office and doing what he says in this much
of this term that I'm not concerned with him getting
us into a needless war or an endless war. But
as someone who fought in a twenty year war, I'm
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skeptical of anyone power who can send troops there. And
I want to know, what are your objectives? What is
the objective? I'm not saying he can say that to
us publicly right now. There is a chess game going on,
and I believe that President Trump understands the power of
his words as a point of leverage. So even if
he says it publicly, I know there's more behind it
than just what he says. If it's we're you know,
(26:20):
a total surrender, does that mean total surrender of your
nuclear program or does that mean get on a plane
next out of Russia. He knows, Iron knows. The rest
of us have to guess. And so I understand the
strategy here. I believe that President Trump is seeing an
opportunity to use that microphone as the plomacy a threat,
I guess you would say, But also on the back channels,
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he's trying to make a deal.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
He says that we're talking to Joey Jones, Fox News.
I know you're a sports fan. We haven't talked about
it on the program in the last couple of days,
but Caitlin Clark getting wrecked has every game. It's like
it goes megaviral. What do you think should happened there?
Is it good for the league? Even though at least
(27:03):
it creates controversy when it's like the Real Housewives of
the w NBA. Can you remember seeing anything like this
as a sports fan?
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Listen, I poking her in the eye, I think is
the latest thing that happened.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, that's the right thing.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Like any hands of the face like that. The dirtiest move.
I mean, you know, for men, there's some maybe one
move that's a little dirtier when you're in a pile
in football, but that's a different thing. But to poke
somebody in the eye, that's just such an egregious act.
I think anyone who gets caught doing it should be
suspended automatically. From the greater picture, I think it's probably
the best thing that's happened to the WNBA in a
(27:39):
long time. I mean, I hate to be cynical in
that way. I'm not saying it's a it's an objectively
good thing. But there's another Sophie I can't remember her
last name.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Like Sophie Cunningham turned into a star.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Now you haven't heard that. She's a very attractive young woman.
But also she's coming out and throwing up elbows and
defending her teammates. So now it's like there's more entry,
there's more characters in the plot, and so the more
it grows in that way, it's got to capture an
audience for the WNBA. Is it setting the right example?
I don't know the Oto Senko or any number of
(28:14):
football players that have captured people's attention for Terrell Owens.
Did any of those make the world a better place
or set a great example? Probably not, So it's not
great that this is how you get on there. But
I'm infinitely more interested in the sport than I was
a year and a half ago, So I think you
got to be honest in that respect.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Supreme Court ruling came down yesterday. You've got kids earlier
in the program. I said, I don't understand how any
parent that is looking at things rationally could say, hey,
it's good for a fourteen or fifteen year old to
have permanent surgery that would potentially sterilize them or alter
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in some way their ability to grow up as a
healthy adult. And I looked at it on the Supreme Court,
I said, six to one parents said Tennessee can do
what Tennessee was trying to do. Two non parents soughto
my yore and also Kagan said two, oh oh, this
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is perfectly fine. Do you think being a parent here
impacts the way you see this? And does it surprise
you that parents would have almost entirely one perspective and
non parents might have another one?
Speaker 5 (29:30):
You know, I like where you're going there, and I
think for rational human beings that's absolutely true. But I mean,
you got to remember, these kids that are having this
done have parents, and I guess their parents are okay
with it. I mean sometimes said they believe they were
brainwashed in hindsight, but I mean that's a I would
say that too if I screwed up that badly, I guess,
and my kid decided to reverse course. So I think
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it really comes down to being a rational human being
and understanding the world as it exists. I mean, there's
short of people that want to be tall, there are
tall people that want to be short. There are blonds
that want to be brunettes. And I guess there's some
things that are temporary you can do to change. You
can buy sticks, shoes, or dye your hair, but when
you come to changing the chemical makeup of your DNA
of your body, I mean, I'm a thirty eight year
(30:15):
old man and I have to I have to take
testosphone replacement because my body quit making it because my
cortisol levels were so raised for so long, not just
through my injury, but through my recovery that my body said,
you know what, we're in a fight or flight mode
for now on. And I did that for many years,
and then finally my body started working again just to
get it back to normal. And I know how I
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felt for the years that I was in that state,
and the thing that I would go and actively do
that to deprive my body of something that needs for
bone density, just for wellness, for regenerations, to steal, to
deprive my body of those things, or to change the
chemical makeup of those things is a heavy decision. And
to let a teenager that doesn't under the eyes of
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the wall, have the discernment to drive a vehicle, drink alcohol,
serve their country, or vote, change who they are in
that way in a way that's detrimental to their health
in any respect. Only rational people, only irrational people think
that's a good idea. Dow understand. The argument is you
haven't had a child that's going through gender dicye for
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you and dealt with that. You're right, I get that,
But there are any number of issues out there. You know,
we don't take every every person that struggles with depression
and anxiety and hysteria and give them the lobotomy like
we you know, we we grew through that stupidity. And
this is the lobotomy of gender dysphoria. That's what this is.
(31:39):
And that's the problem is it's it's irrevocable and causes harm.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
And it's forever no doubt. Hey, I encourage everybody to
check it out. Behind the Badge answering the call to
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him on Fox News Purple Heart recipient, great work. Appreciate
you making the time for us today. Good luck with
the book.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
I appreciate you, guys. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
That is Joey Jones, and I want to tell you
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. All Right,
I'm gonna hit a bunch of your talkbacks. I love
these talkbacks because they're fast. You can hit a bunch
of different topics and frankly, because I'm right, most of
you are wrong about everything. Podcast listener Dan from Wisconsin.
He's mad that I said LSU has the best party
scene in college football.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
Aa Hey Clay, this is Dan from Wisconsin. I just
want to let you know that LSU is not the
best party scene you ever want to see how people
truly drink and still be able to walk come up
to Camp Randall. Baby, let's go Badgers.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I was up there. I actually went to the Alabama
Wisconsin game last September. It was awesome. Here's the problem.
The weather is awful by the time you get to
mid to late October, and certainly for November on average.
I don't want to be outside freezing my ass off
for a tailgate. Yes, it's hot at LSU and September,
(34:40):
but the benefit the SEC has is it can be
pretty phenomenal weather in much of the SEC for all
of September, October and November when the regular season's going on.
That means LSU greater than Wisconsin when it comes to
football tailgate scene. Steve from o we Aloma City wanted
(35:00):
to weigh in, BB Clay.
Speaker 8 (35:03):
I'll due respect to you and the honorable missed Cassidy.
But if you ain't been to a game at the
University of Wisconsin Madison, don't even compare anything else.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
You guys are wrong. It was fabulous. I was impressed.
Wisconsin is beautiful. I'm gonna be in Michigan next week.
Upper Peninsula near of Michigan, Northern Michigan one of the
great places in the country. I'm going to broadcast from
Traverse City. Would have never known it existed but for
the fact that I married a girl from Michigan, but
only in the summer large portions of the year. It
(35:38):
is awful walking around outside to a football game or
anything else. Richard, Louisville, Kentucky. What you got for me?
Speaker 8 (35:45):
Hey, how's it going? Richard?
Speaker 9 (35:46):
Here, I just wanted to point out that this seems
a little hypocritical for some of us to be getting
bent out of shape about your word usage for hoops
when we tell everybody they're losing their minds on the
left because everything is so emotional based. Who cares, it's
just some words to descratch some what It wasn't even
(36:06):
that bad.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I agree, Thank you. Maddie in Salt Lake City on
KNRS one, oh five point nine.
Speaker 10 (36:15):
Hey Clay, I'm twenty one and thanks to my dad's job,
I've traveled the world since I was very little. I've
also seen the girls younger than me carrying the AK
forty sevens and it was a total culture shock. When
I was in England recently I saw the real no
King protests, and then when I got the news alerts
and saw the similar protests in the US, it was
(36:36):
honestly embarrassing. People here complain about a monarchy without even
knowing what it's like to actually live under one. It's embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Thank you, Maddie. Love the talkbacks. You guys can load
them up. I'll play them tomorrow for you on Friday,
Happy Juneteenth. Thanks for hanging with us. I'll be with
you all tomorrow
Welcome back in final our juneteenth edition of the program.
I know most of you are probably working as am I.
We will have Joey Jones join us at the bottom
of the hour. We appreciate all of you hanging out
with us as we are rolling through this Thursday edition
of the program. A lot of different stories out there.
(00:21):
In particular, we just hit you with the latest breaking
news on Iran and the decisions that President Trump must make.
Via Caroline Levitt, he announced that he would give two
weeks potentially to Inran to come to the negotiating table.
God that news just coming down the last thirty minutes
(00:42):
or so. Here's my analysis in general of this, and Trump, obviously,
for much of his life, has been a professional negotiator,
so I'm sure he is analyzing this in his own
way as well. How can you trust Iran in any
way not to do what is in their best interests
(01:04):
Let me explain what I mean by that Kim Jong
un has nuclear weapons in North Korea. It would be
far better if he did not have nuclear weapons in
North Korea, but his decision to get them, while he
may be a crazy despot, was eminently rational, and that
decision was based on this. Once you have nuclear weapons,
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the ability of any other country, given the risk that
it would entail, to ever overthrow you, is minimal. So
if your goal is to maintain power above all else,
the lesson of Kim Jong un is actually a good
one from a negotiating perspective. And it is this, people
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who are tyrants can still behave rationally when it comes
to obtaining the best possible weapons which allow their tyranny
to continue. Why would Iran give up the pursuit of
nuclear weapons when the pursuit of nuclear your weapons guarantees
that the people in control of Iran, the authoritarian moled dictators,
(02:06):
will remain in control forever. That's the That's the ultimate
question that I can't get past. And if I'm missing something,
you can call in, you can give me a talkback,
you can explain the negotiating lever here that I am missing.
Eight hundred and two eighty two two eight eight two
(02:27):
eighty percent of Americans say we don't want Iran to
get a nuclear weapon. That's huge majorities of Democrats, Republicans,
and independents. It is actually a bipartisan agreement by and large.
If you are in that eighty percent, which I am.
I don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons. I think
it makes the world less safe. I think it makes
(02:48):
us less safe. I think it makes a disastrous world
war predicated on nuclear weapon exchange of fire far more likely.
So I'm in that eighty percent. I would imagine most
of the rest of you are. Now, for the twenty
percent of you, I don't even know what you're thinking.
How do you not care if Iran gets nuclear weapons? Oh,
(03:12):
I don't care if a crazy religious despot has the
ability to push a button and kill tens of millions
of people. The only thing I can think of those
twenty percent that are adopting that perspective, that's twenty percent
of Democrats, twenty percent of Republicans, twenty percent of independence
(03:32):
is you don't believe that Iran is actually trying to
get nuclear weapons because the idea of hey, I don't
care if Iran has nuclear weapons, it doesn't make sense
to me because it's not a rational decision. Now, maybe
I'm missing something. You can make the argument for what
I'm missing. Oh, I don't care if Iran blows up Israel, Clay,
(03:54):
that seems like a bad decision because Israel has nuclear weapons,
and if Iran fires nuclear weapons at Israel, than Israel's
definitely going to fire nuclear weapons in Iran. And for
those of you out there say, well, Iran would never
use them, well, are you really willing to risk that?
These are people who want to destroy America, who chant
(04:17):
death to America at every opportunity, who consider us to
be the great Satan. I don't think they're lying about that.
I don't think they're that fond of us, meaning the leadership.
I think the individual citizens of Iran, many of whom
are young, are actually quite fond of America and the West,
and like our music and like our movies and all
(04:37):
those things. That's a different story. That's why I think
if the Ayatolas were removed that we might well end
up with far better leadership in Iran. And frankly, I
don't think we would end up with worse leadership, because
I don't think we could have a worse situation in
Iran than what we have right now. So if you
believe as I do, that it is imminently rational even
(04:59):
for a regime that is committed to a religious fundamentalism
of a Muslim nature, right, these are people that would
be very happy to clement as many terror attacks in
the United States and Israel and any other Western civilization
around the world as they could pull off. That's what
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they tried to fund with Hamas and Hesbela and Syria.
That's what they've spent generations attempting to do. They are
happy to kill as many Americans as they could, and
would gladly do so if they believe they could get
away with it. So why are negotiations going to work.
This is where I come back to my antibiotic analogy
(05:43):
that I made a couple of years ago. If you
start to take antibiotics for an infection and then you
stop before you have killed the infection, you actually make
the infection stronger in your body because going a third
of the way or half the way towards eliminating the infection,
(06:06):
when you don't completely eliminate it allows the infection to
grow back stronger than it otherwise would. That feels to
me like what is likely to happen in Iran. And
so you have to come back in ten years or
twelve years or twenty years even heavier than you did
right now. And maybe you don't have that same opportunity
(06:29):
in the future, because right now there is no aerial defense,
the cost to doing things to Iran is virtually negligible.
Hamas is down, Hesbaa is down, Siri is down. Iran
has never been weaker. Right now is the time to
kill the virus once and for all. In my opinion,
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And if you told me, hey, there's a new regime
that's taking over in Iran, we can trust them more.
I may or may not believe that, but that would
at least be a sign that things might have changed.
But how can you trust the Ayatola Kameni? How can
you trust anyone affiliated with this authoritarian government in Iran
(07:11):
based on their history since nineteen seventy nine? You know,
in Syria, we're basically rolling the dice in saying, hey,
this new leadership, we hope it's going to be better
than a sod. We're going to try to give them
the space to create a safer, more democratic human rights
of at least better in Syria than what has been
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in the past. So I don't know how that's going
to go. But someone knew who you don't have a
past history with, things could go better. Trump is a
fabulous negotiator. He has done all sorts of deals. I
have to believe that in the back of his mind
he is thinking exactly what I am telling you right now,
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which is it's in their self interest to get nuclear weapons.
Right now, they might claim to you that they're going
to give up that pursuit, But when it is in
the interest of Iran's leaders to have nuclear weapons, and
when they have consistently lied to us, they lied to Obama,
they've lied to the globe, why in the world would
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you expect that suddenly they're going to say, oh, you
know what, we're going to give up our pursuit of
nuclear weapons. Doesn't make sense to me. Now, Trump, in
putting out that two weeks, could be doing what Trump
was doing last week, which is they basically covered up
the fact that Israel was about to go all in
and they knew it. And so maybe that is part
(08:41):
of what's taking place right now that he's trying to
wull the Iranian regime into sleep, thinking, oh, we have
two weeks to make decisions, when in reality, in two
days He's going to rain down holy hell on them.
That's my only analysis, and I'm open to the idea
that I've always opened the idea that I'm missing something,
(09:02):
or there's an angle of this dispute or this negotiation
that is more that I'm missing. But I don't think
I am. We got a group that's been in power
since nineteen seventy nine. That's my entire life. I'm not
a young man. Forty six years the Ayatola and his
compatriots have been in charge of Iran. We've got a
(09:24):
forty six year history that they hate America and are untrustworthy.
Why do I trust them now when they're clinging onto
power by their fingertips, that they're suddenly going to say, oh,
you know what, that forty six year history, Yeah, we're
going to disavow that we're going to be good, trustworthy
negotiating partners from here on henceforth. I just don't buy it.
(09:46):
It doesn't add up logically, and so I think the
only option Trump has is. Look, he could say, hey,
I'm not going to give you the big bunker buster
Iran sended Israel. Send in your special forces and take
over that nuclear site with boots on the ground, with
your elite troops. You guys just take care of this,
(10:10):
will give you air cover. You have the ability now
to do it. We've taken over the skies around Tehran
and all over the country. Go in and do it
boots on the ground style instead of this big bunker
buster bomb getting us directly involved. Hey, Israel, this is
your battle. You're the ones taking out these nuclear armaments.
(10:31):
You go ahead and do it. You know what I'm
doing them. If I'm Israel, though, again, you got to
think about the decisions that they have to make rationally,
the leadership, they're analyzing, they're seeing all this information, all
these data. I would take out the Ayatola. Ron knows
better than anybody that this guy can't be trusted. And yes,
(10:55):
it is a significant step to take out the leader
of a foreign country. Understand But if I'm net in Yahoo,
what is Netanyahu's seventy five years old? Since he was
oh man, you know, live math and me is bad
for the last nearly half century, since he was like
(11:17):
twenty nine years old, thirty years old, he's been dealing
with the lies coming out of Iran. He's seventy five.
If I were net in Yahoo, I'd take out the
Ayahtolis rationally based on his desires and based on my
forty six year history of not being able to trust
(11:38):
anything that they would do. Now, the challenge is what
does Trump say there? If I'm net yahou, I just
go do it. I mean, the United States can say
we weren't involved. That was a that was in an
Israeli decision, that was an Israeli operation. But I think
(12:01):
I would go ahead and take him out because I
don't think you could end up with a worse situation
of leadership than what happens than what they have right now. Now,
maybe there's a group inside of Iran that Israel could
allow to rise up. It would be better if Iran
(12:23):
had their Ayatola thrown over by Iranians, if it were
Iranian citizens themselves who rose up to depose their leadership.
But I think the Ayatola has such power in the
country that's unlikely. I would also bet that they have
got him hidden in such a way, even though Trump
sent a message yesterday saying we know where you are.
(12:43):
I would also bet they've got him hidden in such
a way that actually advancing on them with boots on
the ground military is incredibly challenging to do, maybe impossible,
And so those are sort of the larger strategic annalysis
that I would be working through in my mind. Now
(13:03):
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Speaker 1 (15:30):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. One positive
that is not getting a lot of attention, and I
think it's just because of how successful it has been.
There was an announcement that effectively no one has in
any way crossed our southern border in May. I believe
(15:50):
the number team correct me if I'm wrong. Last year,
even as the numbers began to decline because Biden was
panicking as the numbers looked bad for him. In real life,
I think there were sixty four thousand people who illegally
entered the country in May of twenty twenty four. This month,
meaning the one just passed in May, zero zero people
(16:15):
actually crossing into the country. It's pretty amazing, all right,
quick calls here, Joe Jones going to join us on
the bottom side, Earl in Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
What you got, hey, thanks for going to let me on.
I you know Trump, Trump giving two weeks no, we've
dealt with these criminals and I the Ayatola for decades
and decades. Let's just go in and make the country
a parking lot, get rid of it, exhaust them, and
move on. It's time, all right.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
That is Earl in Cincinnati, ready to go all in
and wipe out leadership. Bob in Savannah, Georgia, what do
you think?
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Yeah, so people don't believe that the Iranians want to
kill Death to America. Check the numbers out. It's like
six hundred and five American soldiers of men and women,
not all but women. But did okay? And then we're
going to say, okay, well we're going to negotiate with
this idiot Iatoa and uh, he's basically going to change
(17:15):
his way of life after fifty years of generating terrorism
and killing people for fifty years and all of a
sudden think he's going to turn into a good guy.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
There's no way.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
And so I don't believe in an assassination at all,
but I do believe that we need to somehow take
out that four dow thing. The one thing that nobody
talks about, though, is what type of nuclear radiation of
breakup is going to happen in that area? And nobody
talks about that. I'm going to ask about that.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
It's a great question. If we hit and there's been
talk that Trump has said, okay, does the bunker busting
bomb work? Some of you may be nuclear radiation experts.
It would have shocked me at all in this audience.
Let us know because my wife asked that question. Hey,
how come nobody's asking if we had four now this
aranean nuclear site and we totally obliterate it to smithereens,
(18:04):
if there's nuclear capabilities there, wouldn't that potentially create more
significant damage after the hit. I think it's a fabulous
question he just raised. I didn't know the answer with
my wife asked, I don't know the answer with my
wife asked a lot of questions. By the way, phrase
occasionally used apple doesn't fall far from the tree meant
to suggest son or daughter, very similar to mom or
(18:25):
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Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging
out with us. We're rolling through the jew teenth edition
of the program. I wanted to play a couple of
(19:08):
things here that I thought were significant that we rolled
over from yesterday. Arnold Schwarzenegger has been doing the rounds.
He was on the view, he was on Jimmy Kimmel.
I don't know if we have the latest yet in
from his appearance on Jimmy Kimmel, but I did think
that this was super interesting Cut twenty three. Here he said,
(19:29):
and the view didn't really like what he said it.
Immigrants need to act like guests when they come into
the country. This has cut twenty three.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
I just think the world of the great kind of
history that we have with immigrants in America. But the
key thing also is at the same time that we
got to do things legal. That is important thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
So he's you got to.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Do things legal. And those people that are doing illegal
things in America and did the foreign us, they are
not smart. Because when you come to America your guest,
and you have to behave like a guest. Like when
I go to someone's house and I'm a guest, then
that would do everything I can, keep things clean and
(20:10):
to make my paid and to do everything that is
the right thing to do, rather than committing a crime
of being abusive with something like that. So that doesn't
really work in this country.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
It's a great analogy, right, I mean, I think a
lot of you understand that if someone is nice enough
to open up their home to you and you are
staying there as a guest and you trash it, that
reflects really poorly on you. And also the people who
gave you the hospitality are unlikely to extend that hospitality
(20:40):
not only to you, but probably less likely to extend
hospitality going forward to others. And he continued, by the way,
this is I think important for the views audience to hear.
Here he is saying, look, you have a responsibility when
you're an immigrant to pay back America for what it
did to you for you and to give back to
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the Country Cut twenty four.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
The important thing is when you become an immigrant to
think about, Okay, I go to America because I'm going
to use America for the great opportunities that America has
in education, in jobs, creating a family, all of those
kind of things. Then you have to think about, Okay,
if I get all of those things from America, then
I have to give something back. You have a responsibility
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as an immigrant to give back to America and to
pay back to America, and to go and do something
for your community for no money whatsoever. Give something back
to after school programs, especial Olympics or whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Make this party of Plato. As well said by Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Joey Jones with us. Now you're around my age. I'm
sure you grew up watching Arnold Schwartzeneagel's Schwarzenegger Sylvester Stallone,
that universe of really big time action stars. Can you
believe that that's considered to be controversial now? But I don't.
(21:59):
As well said by Arnold Well, I.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Think it's controversial because it's being said by Arnold Soorzenegger.
I have a little bit longer memory, and I remember
some of the videos he was putting out criticizing Donald
Trump in a really ridiculous way over the last handful
of years. So I just add him to the latest,
the latest of the long list of Trump derangement victims
who have started to see the light, probably because all
(22:24):
the people that make them popular and rich have also
seen the light and so their following suit. And I
appreciate that he said those things. I think, I'll say,
I think he believed those things, but he has largely
ignored the things like that that he believes in order
to criticize Donald Trump for the last six years. And
it's good to see him come around.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Tell me about the I believe you have a book out,
if I'm not mistaken, tell me about what you're going
around talking about right now.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Yeah, that's important thing for me to talk about right now.
It is this book because it's something that's so important
to me. It's not to say that were in the
other things that were that we're discussing aren't just as
important more so. But before we can worry about where,
we have to get out of our house, go do
the things we do in our lives and try to
stay safe doing them. And there are people out there
called first responders that keep us, really keep us alive.
(23:12):
And I wish it were just personal experience in the
sense of I got pulled over one time, but it's not.
It's people that are really close to me in my life.
My brother in law is somebody that's been an uncle
toomy since fellas three years old, a guy that I went.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
To war with.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
And these are Indiana State Trooper fireman. These are a
game boarding in the state of Maine, a SWAT team
member near Baltimore LAPD bomb squad, and their stories are
just they're inspiring from a position of how do you
keep doing this every day? How do you get out
of your house every day and drive your kids to
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school through an intersection where someone was killed there last
night and you responded to it, you know? How do
you drive by an apartment building that you've gone through
so many times for a drug overdose or domestic violence
or a fire. And how do you live in your
battlefield and get up every morning and you're happy to
go to work and you carry that weight, not just
the weight of your gear, but the memories of all
(24:08):
the things you've ex ceriousd in your own community and
still function as a dad or a wife or a son,
and I got to sit down with none of those
people and ask those questions. We made this book from it,
and it's just an amazing piece of history. Really.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
The book's called Behind the Badge, Answering the Call to
serve on America's home Front. You served lost your legs
Purple Heart recipient, so you uniquely are probably experiencing what's
going on with Iran based on the service that you
already have given to this country and the sacrifice that
you've made. So if President Trump called you up and
(24:47):
he said, hey, what advice would you give me based
on what you've seen about the situation in Iran, you
would say.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
What, what's the clear objective? If you can, if you can,
if you can explain a clear objective of what you
want to accomplish, that I'm absolutely supportive of you, because
as a president, you've already shown that your goal was
not to put service members on the front lines for
twenty years. Your goal is not to convince the American
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people every two years to fund an endless war. Their
goal isn't to wrap us up in a war that
the objective changes every two years, that it goes from
we want to kill Osama bin Laden, so we want
to create democracy and spread and spread our belief system
across the Middle East. I don't believe that President Trump
has those goals. President Trump's goal is to keep Americans
(25:37):
not just for the four years he's in office, but
for the next forty years. I also believe that's why
he has the economic vision he has, and so he's
built enough trust in me for his first four years
in office and doing what he says in this much
of this term that I'm not concerned with him getting
us into a needless war or an endless war. But
as someone who fought in a twenty year war, I'm
(25:59):
skeptical of anyone power who can send troops there. And
I want to know, what are your objectives? What is
the objective? I'm not saying he can say that to
us publicly right now. There is a chess game going on,
and I believe that President Trump understands the power of
his words as a point of leverage. So even if
he says it publicly, I know there's more behind it
than just what he says. If it's we're you know,
(26:20):
a total surrender, does that mean total surrender of your
nuclear program or does that mean get on a plane
next out of Russia. He knows, Iron knows. The rest
of us have to guess. And so I understand the
strategy here. I believe that President Trump is seeing an
opportunity to use that microphone as the plomacy a threat,
I guess you would say, But also on the back channels,
(26:42):
he's trying to make a deal.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
He says that we're talking to Joey Jones, Fox News.
I know you're a sports fan. We haven't talked about
it on the program in the last couple of days,
but Caitlin Clark getting wrecked has every game. It's like
it goes megaviral. What do you think should happened there?
Is it good for the league? Even though at least
(27:03):
it creates controversy when it's like the Real Housewives of
the w NBA. Can you remember seeing anything like this
as a sports fan?
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Listen, I poking her in the eye, I think is
the latest thing that happened.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, that's the right thing.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Like any hands of the face like that. The dirtiest move.
I mean, you know, for men, there's some maybe one
move that's a little dirtier when you're in a pile
in football, but that's a different thing. But to poke
somebody in the eye, that's just such an egregious act.
I think anyone who gets caught doing it should be
suspended automatically. From the greater picture, I think it's probably
the best thing that's happened to the WNBA in a
(27:39):
long time. I mean, I hate to be cynical in
that way. I'm not saying it's a it's an objectively
good thing. But there's another Sophie I can't remember her
last name.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Like Sophie Cunningham turned into a star.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Now you haven't heard that. She's a very attractive young woman.
But also she's coming out and throwing up elbows and
defending her teammates. So now it's like there's more entry,
there's more characters in the plot, and so the more
it grows in that way, it's got to capture an
audience for the WNBA. Is it setting the right example?
I don't know the Oto Senko or any number of
(28:14):
football players that have captured people's attention for Terrell Owens.
Did any of those make the world a better place
or set a great example? Probably not, So it's not
great that this is how you get on there. But
I'm infinitely more interested in the sport than I was
a year and a half ago, So I think you
got to be honest in that respect.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Supreme Court ruling came down yesterday. You've got kids earlier
in the program. I said, I don't understand how any
parent that is looking at things rationally could say, hey,
it's good for a fourteen or fifteen year old to
have permanent surgery that would potentially sterilize them or alter
(28:56):
in some way their ability to grow up as a
healthy adult. And I looked at it on the Supreme Court,
I said, six to one parents said Tennessee can do
what Tennessee was trying to do. Two non parents soughto
my yore and also Kagan said two, oh oh, this
(29:16):
is perfectly fine. Do you think being a parent here
impacts the way you see this? And does it surprise
you that parents would have almost entirely one perspective and
non parents might have another one?
Speaker 5 (29:30):
You know, I like where you're going there, and I
think for rational human beings that's absolutely true. But I mean,
you got to remember, these kids that are having this
done have parents, and I guess their parents are okay
with it. I mean sometimes said they believe they were
brainwashed in hindsight, but I mean that's a I would
say that too if I screwed up that badly, I guess,
and my kid decided to reverse course. So I think
(29:53):
it really comes down to being a rational human being
and understanding the world as it exists. I mean, there's
short of people that want to be tall, there are
tall people that want to be short. There are blonds
that want to be brunettes. And I guess there's some
things that are temporary you can do to change. You
can buy sticks, shoes, or dye your hair, but when
you come to changing the chemical makeup of your DNA
of your body, I mean, I'm a thirty eight year
(30:15):
old man and I have to I have to take
testosphone replacement because my body quit making it because my
cortisol levels were so raised for so long, not just
through my injury, but through my recovery that my body said,
you know what, we're in a fight or flight mode
for now on. And I did that for many years,
and then finally my body started working again just to
get it back to normal. And I know how I
(30:36):
felt for the years that I was in that state,
and the thing that I would go and actively do
that to deprive my body of something that needs for
bone density, just for wellness, for regenerations, to steal, to
deprive my body of those things, or to change the
chemical makeup of those things is a heavy decision. And
to let a teenager that doesn't under the eyes of
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the wall, have the discernment to drive a vehicle, drink alcohol,
serve their country, or vote, change who they are in
that way in a way that's detrimental to their health
in any respect. Only rational people, only irrational people think
that's a good idea. Dow understand. The argument is you
haven't had a child that's going through gender dicye for
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you and dealt with that. You're right, I get that,
But there are any number of issues out there. You know,
we don't take every every person that struggles with depression
and anxiety and hysteria and give them the lobotomy like
we you know, we we grew through that stupidity. And
this is the lobotomy of gender dysphoria. That's what this is.
(31:39):
And that's the problem is it's it's irrevocable and causes harm.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
And it's forever no doubt. Hey, I encourage everybody to
check it out. Behind the Badge answering the call to
serve on America's home front. Joey Jones, you can see
him on Fox News Purple Heart recipient, great work. Appreciate
you making the time for us today. Good luck with
the book.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
I appreciate you, guys. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
That is Joey Jones, and I want to tell you
I'm going to play some of your talkbacks. I think
we're going to be entertained by those. But in the meantime,
you just heard me asking what would Joey tell the
president if the President asked him, Hey, what do you
think we should do? Israeli citizens today suffered incoming missile strikes,
hit in the hospital, tremendous damage, and the missile attacks
(32:21):
meant to harm innocence civilians. They're just trying to injure
people that have nothing at all to do with the battle.
Israelis have to move into bomb shelters at a moment's notice. Overnight,
they got to get down there to get themselves out
of harms way. No end insight to these kind of bombings,
and the need for assistance is great which is why
the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is on the
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. All Right,
I'm gonna hit a bunch of your talkbacks. I love
these talkbacks because they're fast. You can hit a bunch
of different topics and frankly, because I'm right, most of
you are wrong about everything. Podcast listener Dan from Wisconsin.
He's mad that I said LSU has the best party
scene in college football.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
Aa Hey Clay, this is Dan from Wisconsin. I just
want to let you know that LSU is not the
best party scene you ever want to see how people
truly drink and still be able to walk come up
to Camp Randall. Baby, let's go Badgers.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I was up there. I actually went to the Alabama
Wisconsin game last September. It was awesome. Here's the problem.
The weather is awful by the time you get to
mid to late October, and certainly for November on average.
I don't want to be outside freezing my ass off
for a tailgate. Yes, it's hot at LSU and September,
(34:40):
but the benefit the SEC has is it can be
pretty phenomenal weather in much of the SEC for all
of September, October and November when the regular season's going on.
That means LSU greater than Wisconsin when it comes to
football tailgate scene. Steve from o we Aloma City wanted
(35:00):
to weigh in, BB Clay.
Speaker 8 (35:03):
I'll due respect to you and the honorable missed Cassidy.
But if you ain't been to a game at the
University of Wisconsin Madison, don't even compare anything else.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
You guys are wrong. It was fabulous. I was impressed.
Wisconsin is beautiful. I'm gonna be in Michigan next week.
Upper Peninsula near of Michigan, Northern Michigan one of the
great places in the country. I'm going to broadcast from
Traverse City. Would have never known it existed but for
the fact that I married a girl from Michigan, but
only in the summer large portions of the year. It
(35:38):
is awful walking around outside to a football game or
anything else. Richard, Louisville, Kentucky. What you got for me?
Speaker 8 (35:45):
Hey, how's it going? Richard?
Speaker 9 (35:46):
Here, I just wanted to point out that this seems
a little hypocritical for some of us to be getting
bent out of shape about your word usage for hoops
when we tell everybody they're losing their minds on the
left because everything is so emotional based. Who cares, it's
just some words to descratch some what It wasn't even
(36:06):
that bad.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I agree, Thank you. Maddie in Salt Lake City on
KNRS one, oh five point nine.
Speaker 10 (36:15):
Hey Clay, I'm twenty one and thanks to my dad's job,
I've traveled the world since I was very little. I've
also seen the girls younger than me carrying the AK
forty sevens and it was a total culture shock. When
I was in England recently I saw the real no
King protests, and then when I got the news alerts
and saw the similar protests in the US, it was
(36:36):
honestly embarrassing. People here complain about a monarchy without even
knowing what it's like to actually live under one. It's embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Thank you, Maddie. Love the talkbacks. You guys can load
them up. I'll play them tomorrow for you on Friday,
Happy Juneteenth. Thanks for hanging with us. I'll be with
you all tomorrow
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