November 13, 2023 • 36 mins
Left freaks out over Trump's deportation plan. Venezuelans want to leave Chicago and go back to Venezuela. Jen Psaki and other libs argue that Trump will prosecute his enemies, with no mention that they're doing the same to him. Tech entrepreneur and GOP Presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy joined Clay and Buck to discuss why he thinks he still has a pathway to the nomination, his feud with Nikki Haley, why he thinks GOP chairwoman Ronna McDaniel should resign -- and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Third hour of Clay and Buck kicksoff right now and
The New York Times with a big report from over
the weekend. Here's the headline, Sweeping rays, giant camps and
mass deportations inside Trump's twenty twenty five immigration plan. Now,
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this is interesting when you break down the various pieces
of this Trump immigration policy. As I have been saying
to you, as we have been discussing with you here
on this show for well really the whole time we've
been on the show, the Biden border is the most
wide open and the most lawless and reckless border policy
(00:50):
that we have ever seen. We also recognize that the
cartels are becoming as rich from human trafficking as they
are from the drug smuggling of opens that are killing
around one hundred thousand Americans a year at this point.
So this is a massive problem. Not to mention, there's
also the high likelihood that if any terrorist group wanted
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to infiltrate the United States across the southern border, they
would have almost no difficulty in doing so, And that
then brings us to what can be done about this.
The Democrats will do nothing other than continue the status
quo with even more resources to more rapidly process the
people illegally entering. Now, Donald Trump, if he were to
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win and become president, has a very different plan clay,
and this goes to not only changing the incentive structures
that are in place for people to cross into the
US illegally, but the entire immigration system all of a
sudden would be rule of law based, which seems like
a shock. He would this is all, according to The
(01:56):
New York Times, scour the country for unauthorized immigrant deport
people buy the millions per year to help speed mass deportations.
Mister Trump is preparing an enormous expansion of a form
of removal that does not require due process hearings. He
would reassign other federal agents and deputize local police and
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National Guard voluntarily contributed by Republican states so the State
of Texas wants to help out. State of Texas resources
will be used for this process. He wants to build
huge camps to detain people while their cases are processed
and they await deportation. No more catch and release into
the US, never to be seen again. He would, if necessary,
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play to get around or refusal by Congress redirect money
in the military budget toward this process and do so
using his authority as commander in chief. And he would
follow quote the Eisenhower model, which was the largest domestic
deportation operation American history back in nineteen fifty for and
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oh also end birthright citizenship. That's the key. That's the
key to me, and I'm trying to make sure we
get all the major that's a big one. Foreign students
who participate in anti Israeli pro Palestinian protests would have
their visas canceled, ending birthright citizenship. Okay, those are the
main points, Clay. This would be a map. I mean,
(03:24):
the biggest change an immigration policy we've seen in this
country in our lifetimes.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I've just focused for a long time on incentives because
that's really all you can kind of analyze, and the
incentives in America are broken in terms of trying to
stop illegal immigration. There are two primary incentives, and I
think this is important to hammer home time after time.
One is there are far more jobs that are high
paying here in the United States than there are in
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any of the countries that the people are trying to
enter from. It's very difficult to stop that incentive from existing.
It just is second one though, birthright citizenship must end,
and I've heard Vivek speak out aggressively on this. It's
important to just have this debate and this conversation. There
is no reasonable, rational process by which we should allow
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you to become a citizen solely based on being born
in the United States. That is so called right of
soil citizenship. If your parents are citizens, you should be
a citizen. That's I think, without dispute, no matter where
you're born around the world. But you shouldn't be able
to become a United States citizen just because somebody sneaks
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into the country and is illegally here and has a baby,
and we have to end it, and the camps and
all those other things. I think that's going to be
very hard to implement. Speaking rationally, and remember Trump would
only have four years to do all of this. I
think it's an important battle to fight, but I think
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birthright citizenship is the one that it's supremely important to
win and ultimately buck that would go all the way
to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court would have
to analyze whether right of soil citizenship should exist and
is in fact United States law or not. It's it's
in my opinion not and that is a that is
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one of the two major incentives that we could address.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
What about the deportation of massive numbers of people, the
deputizing of state and local law enforcement that's willing to
help in that process, and the immediate removal of individuals
using whatever authorities the president has under executive authority, so
that they're either put in a camp to wait deportation
or deported as soon as they crossed the border illegally.
(05:47):
I like the concept, I think in practice it would
be very difficult to implement. Tell me more why I
think getting so.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
First of all, you're gonna let's say that we know
that they're twenty million ears eagles here right. Let's say
that's the number, and that might be low. Do you
know how many plane flights it would take to get
twenty million illegals deported out of the United States? Most
of these people would have to be flown somewhere. I
don't know that we have the capacity to even move
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that number of people out of the United States.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
It wouldn't be it wouldn't be twenty million in a
year obviously, but what about even over four years? Just
do the math on it.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I'm not sure that we have the capacity to I
mean just think, I mean a standard plane could put
what two hundred and fifty people on it?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well to get to Yeah, I mean it would Obviously
this would be a large scale process. That's why they
brought off the Eisenhower deportation proceedings that back in the
fifty or the deportation plan. Yeah, how many did they deport?
Then I'd have to look it up. One hundred, but
I think I think it might have gotten over a million.
But the issue here, clay would become first of all,
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in any given year. I mean, if you look at
like the Obama years, they're deporting the in the hundreds
of thousands. Yeah, that's not that that's not that strange.
And to the point about incentives, if you talk about
birthright citizenship, that's obviously a big change and should be
a big change. You should not be able to play
this game of I came to the US illegal, I
had a child here, I violated the law. But now
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that's a citizen. And we know this because there are
people who are criminally prosecuted for operating, you know, operations,
And this is more in the context of Asian birth
tourism to the US, specifically from China. You're not allowed
to do that. Well, why aren't you allowed to do that?
If that's not a problem, right, Well, clearly there's an
issue here. But I think if you start to dramatically
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increase the number of deportations, that also very much changes
the calculation for people coming here illegally, because right now,
if you get into the country, it's like a ninety
percent chance you're going to get to stay. Yeah, and
so if it's a nine out of ten shot that
if you can just get here you can stay, you're
gonna have endless amounts of people who come. You have
to create a reality where there's rule of law and
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the deportation numbers are high enough that people say, I
might go through all this and then decide then decide
that or I might get sent back and clay some
of the migrants. This was in New York City. They
showed up to Floyd Bennett Field, which has been turned
into a twenty million dollar migrant facility. They refuse to
go into this facility. They say, this facility isn't nice enough.
And this just goes and others are saying the American
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dream is dead. New York Post was doing some reporting
on this. If you're an asylum seeker, it's supposed to
be please please take me America, because if you don't,
I'm going to be imprison tortured and killed for my race,
my religion, my political belief something like that. And what
we see with these individuals who are like, wait a second,
I thought I was getting a four star hotel in
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Midtown Manhattan paid for by the taxpayer, and getting a
job permit and getting free food and free healthcare and
free housing. Is they're here because it's a giant welfare state.
They're here because they can skip the immigration process. They're
not actually asylum seat Not only that, This is why
I come back to incientives.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Do you remember when we talked about they were taking
over the Brooklyn Park and they were putting all of
these people in this facility. They had access to a
swimming pool, they had Wi Fi, they had every meal,
and they were able to go work and everything else.
If I told you right now, and you're out there listening,
(09:25):
and it's summer, right when the weather's better in New
York City. Hey, you're gonna get stay in New York City.
You're going to get to have access to a pool,
You're gonna have Wi Fi, and all of your meals
are going to be covered, and you may be able
to stay in a three or four star hotel. That
sounds like to almost everybody out there listening, an incredible
summer family vacation.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
And that's people who are already living in America.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
And conceivably have the ability to live with American values,
already American wealth. In other words, you're not stunned when
you walk into a Walmart and all the things that
you can purchase. Imagine when you got a telephone call
from your friend who went north and you're stuck in
Venezuela and he says, hey, man, you know I can
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look out my window and see the downtown New York
City skyline. I took the kids over to walk around
Times Square. We've got Wi Fi. I'm calling you right
now FaceTime. I'm making twenty x what I was making
in Venezuela. They're feeding us three square meals. My kids
can even go to a swimming pool. How would you
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not think if you got that call that America was
the land of milk and honey, and if you could
leave Venezuela, you would. And this is why I said
this on Hannity the other night. Just take it outside
of America. How many of our listeners right now if
you were told, hey, if you go walk across into Canada,
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you can make forty x whatever you're making in America
right now, and you will be taken care of three
square meals. You'll be able to stay in a four
star hotel while you get your family life in order.
I mean, buck, There are tons of people out there
listening to us right now that will relocate to make
ten or fifteen or twenty thousand dollars more a year
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for their jobs, to a new state, to a new city.
If you could forty x your salary by crossing into
our northern neighbor there, Canada, tens of millions of Americans.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Would do that.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
So the incentive structure is a challenge because our lifestyle
is so much better than the lifestyle the people that
are coming here.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
And this is why you need to send people back
in large enough numbers that more people don't just keep
coming and coming illegally. This isn't even talking about the
million people a year who come in through the legal process,
whether it's Green card holders, US citizendants, et cetera. We
take in a large number of people through the legal
immigration process. This is just all dealing with the illegal
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immigration process and the way that the system is being abused.
And I think that the more people understand that a
program set up out of the kindness and generosity of
the American spirit to allow people to escape genocidal regimes.
I mean, when you're really talking about asylum, that's what
you know. You know, I'm escaping the Khmer rouge. Please
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you know I'm a Cambodian refugee. Please take me in,
otherwise me and my family are dead. Right, that's what
asylum is for. Asylum is not I'm from you know,
Latin America, or I'm from West Africa, or I'm from
Southeast Asia or whatever, and I want to be in
America because you have a better economy and I have
a better future there. That's the immigration process, as in,
you should apply to be an American immigrant, and there
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are a lot of people that want that, and unfortunately
we can't take everybody. And the other part of this
that's so huge is the number of people that are
coming across our southern border. It used to be buck
a lot of people from Mexico. You come across seasonally,
you get a job, you go back home. Now are
coming from so far away. They're here forever. They're not
going to go back to Mexico.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
They're not here for you know, the seasonal purposes over
from Mexico.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Very few of them from Mexico. They're from Yes, they're
from Thailand, they're from Pakistan, they're from the Ivory Coast.
I mean, they're from all over the world.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
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to be joined by Vivek Ramaswami here in a bit
at the bottom of the hour to talk the latest
in his presidential campaign and what he thinks about Senator
Tim Scott stepping down. But we talked with Julie Kelly
early and this is really strange. There now is a
(15:05):
new talking point. It's that if Trump is elected to
a second term, he's going to prosecute people he disagrees
with politically, and the fact that this doesn't register on
the left, that that's exactly what they're doing to Trump
now and he's just returning fire at their decision making,
(15:25):
and that they're not even hardly asked about this. Here's
former White House spokesperson Jensaki. I bet none of you
thought you would miss her. Well you do, because Karine
Jean Pierre is probably the worst White House spokesperson of
all time. But here she is saying Trump's going to
prosecute people he deems to be political enemies.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Listen, guess what.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Joe Biden isn't perfect, No candidate is, by the way,
But we have to understand what the alternative is.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Year.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
If elected to a second term, Donald Trump would prosecute
anyone he deems an enemy, at least troops on protesters,
and essentially unravel the rule of laws we know it.
This time, he plans to line his administration with people
who will actually help him do it. But sure, Joe
Biden is three years older and occasionally trips over things.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Look, there's a lot.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
To be concerned about right now when it comes to
a second Trump term. The speeches are getting much more
disturbing and much more unhinged, and we should all hear
it that way.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Do you think Jinsaki Buck is just not smart enough
to recognize that what Trump is saying he would do
is a response to what Biden is already doing, because
I don't even see how you could make that argument
and not have your brain just exploding with the stupidity.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
No, they fully embrace the cognitive dissonance because the weaponization
of law enforcement against Trump or the judiciary against Trump
is necessary and justified in their minds, right, So they
don't think that it's not that they're unaware that they're
doing it. It's that Trump is a monster, so you
have to do whatever you can to stop the monster.
Because of all those things she just said, Like, they
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view it as as they have the ability and the
power to do this, and so therefore they should and
they will, and they don't really care about what the
optics are. The part of it though for me that
is also an open question is if someone like a
Jensaki or there's Joe Scarborough show in the morning, there's
so many of these these liberal talking heads, are they
so emotionally unstable and and just just absurd that they
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really believe this stuff. I mean, Trump has already been
president for four years and we had like prosperity, freedom,
this is great until COVID came along. And then we
had COVID and then the lunatics for COVID were the left.
So this time around, it it's gonna be hell. They
told us it was fascism last time, and actually it
was a booming stock market and record low unemployment in peace.
So it's kind of a tough one.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
That's why I think the argument is going to be
so much harder for Biden to make in the event
that he is the guy. And that's what all the
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to Clay Ann Buck. We're joined by presidential candidate the
Vake Ramaswami you all know, Vike viveg. Thanks for calling
in man you there, sir?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah? Can you hear me? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Now we can? All right, So let's start with this one. Vivike.
We just had the debate and h you had some
of the most memorable moments. We talked about it here
on the show. Haven't seen a lot of movement in
the polls. Tim Scott just dropped out, what is your
pathway to victory? What do you say to those who
are telling you at this point it's just not going
to happen. The numbers aren't there.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Well, I think the numbers could be there. I'm not
some horse race analyst. I'm a guy who's here to
speak the truth, do it in an unapologetic way. And
I think the idea is that I'm offering in the campaign,
the vision that I'm offering, I don't think any other
candidates to bring it to the table. Two America First
candidates in the race. I think it will be an
America First nominee for sure. Obviously that's Donald Trump and myself.
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But I am from the next generation. I have fresh legs,
and I think it's we live in a moment where
it's going to take in America first leader from that
next generation to move this country forward. And unlike the
other professional politicians in this race who have been known
quantities for years, you know, for most people in this country,
they had no idea who I was six months ago.
So I'm patient on this. It's going to be a
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longer sales cycle, okay, But I think that that's something
that I believe belongs to the voters, and as they
get to know me, they'll be able to make a
choice between a lot of everyone in that candidate on
that stage. There's one that was not like the others.
That was me, And I think it's going to take
time and comfort for people to develop to say that,
you know, somebody thirty eight years old being the next
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president of the United States, that's a little out of
the box. People are intrigued by it. But Thomas Jefferson
was thirty three years old when he wrote the Declaration
of Independent That's the kind of country we are. And
I do think we live in a moment where we
need to revive the ideals the nation itself was founded on.
I think we can, and I'm the candidate who I
think is gonna be the best position to do it.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
We're talking to Vivey Gramaswami memorably on Wednesday night he
was called scum by NICKI Haley, and you've spun that
in your favor. I believe you are now selling rebel
scum t shirts, which is very funny. I give credit
to your team for that. I bet you've sold quite
a few of them. Yes, you've since gone after Nicki
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Haley quite a lot. I've watched some of those clips.
And where do you think a couple of parts here,
where do you think the animus from Nicki Haley comes?
Because it feels like she's gone after you way more
aggressively than you've gone after her. And second part of that,
it looks a little personal Vivik, Just to throw that
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out there, personals, would you vote for Nicki Haley if
she were the nominee for the Republican Party?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
She's not going to be the nominee, and she should
come nowhere between anywhere within spitting distance of the White House.
And I'll tell you why I've been the biggest critic
of the Biden administration. I'm only Republican. I think it's
had the courage to speak the hard truth on this,
which is that the Biden administration sold off our foreign
policy to make their family rich. That's the hard truth.
(22:11):
We would not be sending money in the way we
are if Hunter Biden had not gotten us sur bribe
from Ukraine. But the problem with Nikki Haley is she's
just a Republican version of the same where the woman
who claims to be an accountant left the un swimming
in personal debt, then becomes a military contractor, then joins
the board of Boeing that then gives a secretive Speaktors
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now is collecting stock options from companies, literally in the
middle of a presidential campaign. I don't think that's ever
happened in US history to my knowledge. And just like
Biden is a multi millionaire, so the World War three
than we've ever been and these people are going to
march us. There the Bidens, the Haleys, the Dick Cheney
two point zeros, the neo cons that pervade both parties.
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It is an ideological and generational difference and divide, and
she represents everything in my that's wrong with American politics
and near the white I don't care if she has
an R after her name or not.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
So would you vote for her if she were the nominee?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Then I think I will be a failed American. If
I'm running for US president and this individual comes anywhere
near becoming the nominee, it's not going to happen, and
I think that the American people see in the truth,
I think need to actually be crystal clear about making
sure that just because you get Hillary Clinton, if she
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called a publican, I don't think that that would cause
me to vote for Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Why do you think she dislikes you so much?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Because it does seem personal, like the way that she's
gone after you. I mean, you raised the point that
her daughter is on TikTok, her daughter's grown, and she
was I mean, this is not acting right. She seems
to genuinely not like you. Where do you think that
comes from.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I think it comes from a deep seated envy of
swords actually, and as the woman who's never made an
honest dime in the private sector but clearly inspires to
be wealthy and sees me as I think a young
buck who has not I mean then in the buck sense.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Of I get you, I get you.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, a young buck who you know, I think hasn't
put in the kind of earned the kind of stripes
that someone like her has. You know, funny stories. The
first time we met was actually her reaching out to
me years ago when I was writing woke in Actually, Buck,
this is when you and I first met in the
prey line.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
We did that awesome event up in Milwaukee for like
fifteen hundred people. That was great.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
That was awesome. Right, So this is I think actually
if I'm remembering right before the book came out, or
it was in the run up to the book coming out,
and she reaches out spontaneously because I was starting to
begin to get attention as a CEO who was pointing
out the perils of corporate wokeness long before people knew
what that word was. And there was something striking about it.
I mean, she was. It was a very calculating move, right,
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this guy could be a player. I want to be
the first person probably to reek out to make sure
from getting him on my side, he ends up blurbing
the back of the book. So this is somebody who
for her entire career has proven she will do literally
you can look at the full extent of her past
in South Carolina. She will do literally whatever is required
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to get ahead. And I think scratching the backs of
companies for special favors. Boeing got their back scratched by her.
She ends up joining the board of Boeing. Afterwards, rides
on private and them pharmaceutical company and then ends up
doing special state contracts for them, and other details which
I will leave it to others to look up that
are outside the financial realm. But somebody who will literally
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do anything to get ahead for another unit to froll in.
Her reach out to me years ago and establishing contact
when I early began to be a rising star was
just another example of that. But to her now to
say that out of turn to challenge her past the power,
I think that she does take that very personally. But
you know, frankly, even in this conversation, I think we've
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spent too much on somebody who is really just another
manifestation of a modern Dick Cheney that has no place
in the modern Republican party or should well, I can
tell you.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, since that last debate, a lot of people have
been wondering what your your and her true feelings are
about each other in this race. So we appreciate that
you've at least had your say on this one. And
I did want to ask, you know. We spoke to
former President Trump last week, Clay and I for an
hour here on the air, and he seemed fired up
(26:30):
for the fight ahead and unfazed by all the legal
challenges against him. And you know, I think that there's
We've been talking about second choice candidates for different people,
and and you know where the support ebbs and flows
for different candidates. A lot of Trump people like you
a lot and a lot of people that maybe even
your their first choice, would say, well, Trump is my
second choice. What do you say to anybody who says
(26:53):
that this just isn't your time. Let Trump finish the race.
You can help him, and then you can be in
a position for the next round.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Look, I think that decision belongs to the voters of
this country. I mean, I respect Donald Trump immensely, and
he and I have a good relationship with mutual respect.
He was an excellent president and the reason he's polling
so well right now is he kept us out of
World War three and he grew the economy. So I've
unlike the other candidates, and actually, guys, this is actually
one that that's kind of funny to me. Is every
other candidate, from Nikki to Ron to otherwise licked his
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boot for some special favors for years, usually money or
endorsements are both, And now is Monday Morning quarterbacking him
on some small thing that he didn't do perfectly. Yeah,
I'm my contrast, I've not licked trump boot. Trump's boot
for years, even the net Woking book tour. I sat
down at dinner with him, but I've never sucked up
to the guy before. But I stand actually for his
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record now when everybody else after him. Not because in
myself interest in this race to do it be easier
for med from competition, but it's the right thing to
do affect him. There's two America First candidates, but I
think the voters deserve to get the choice they have,
which is do you want the prior generation of it?
Or do you want the next generation of it? And
I think I have fresh legs. I'm able to reach
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the next generation in the new generation. So I can't
offer what Trump does, which is to say experience. He's
you know, done it before, that's tried and true, and
if that's what people want to go with, then he's
going to be the nominee.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I think we.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I think we're lost and do we want to reach him?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
The vague last question for you, I presume that you're
going to be on the stage in December, Uh, do
you think anybody else should drop out? In your mind,
Tim Scott is out. I saw you had nice words
about him. I know it seemed that you guys got
along and had a decent rapport on the stage.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
For the debate state. Can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah, you think you're going to qualify for the debate
stage in December? And do you think anybody else should
drop out? I heard him say he's already qualified. But
I think we I think we've had a bad sell
connection here.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I don't know. Maybe Nicky Haley's people are sabotaging the
cell towers or something. Something crazy. He's happening, she called Boeing.
We'll come back. We'll let you all react.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
We appreciate the fake hanging out with us, a lot
of interesting things that he said.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
We'll let you weigh in as well. Can I also
say we will reach out to because he was taking
some swings there. We will reach out to the Nicki
Haleyes campaign. We'll bring her on the show, let her
respond everything that he said, and also make her case
for why she should be the nominee. We are open
for him, for all Republican candidates here who are still
in the mix. So we'll put out the call the
Nicki Haley's team. Let's see if she comes on. Because
the Vike was not holding back play.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
He brought the hacksaw Jim dug in two by four
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back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Butvike Ramaswami with
us now better line going to finish out the program, Vivike.
When we finished the last segment, I was asking if
you'd be on the stage for the fourth debate, whether
you've qualified and have you had any conversations with Roni
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McDaniel since you asked her to go ahead and resign
over what you considered to be a failed RNC leadership.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
So I have qualified for the fourth debate, and I
will be on there in early December. I think I'll
be similarly unrestrained both on that debate stage and for
the rest of this race, because I think that kind
of honesty is what's required in our country. Ron and
I have not spoken directly. It is interesting. I've seen
(31:57):
her on the national press so and I think she's
proven my point in the aftermath of me calling on
her to resign, just for some shread of accountability in
our party. Since she took over in twenty seventeen, we
lost in twenty eighteen, twenty two, and twenty twenty three,
all disastrous results for Republicans. So yeah, I do think
(32:17):
there should be some accountability. But she, you know, reportedly
that night at the debate on press reports, people in
the roads sitting near her say she was booing while
I was speaking in other parts of the debate, interesting
thing for an R and C chairwoman to be doing.
Said that I would not get another cent from the
RNC to somebody treating it like it's their own money,
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proves the point that it's their corruption of the institution.
It's like a squadron, a rent controlled apartment that starts
to bear the illusion that they owned the place. So
that situation reminds me of I think she went on
Fox and flat out set on national television that I
voted for Obama dead false, never done it in my life,
of course, and yet you have the chair woman of
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the RNC is saying that about a candidate actively in
a race. So I think since then she's done an
outstanding job of continuing to prove my point, saying that
they weren't involved in the state races, that Virginia didn't
want their money. Virginia GP contradicted that instantly said she
didn't play in the state races. It's now come out
that she was involved in the Kentucky races and the
r and C was So we haven't turn into we
(33:21):
haven't spoken directly, but in the in the barbs she's
been trying to issue in the media, I think she's
been scoring a lot of own goals and proving the
point that it's time for new leadership at the RNC.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
The vague you set up on the debate stage that
you and I don't want to miss quote you, but basically,
it's not going to be Biden, that whoever wins up
here is facing off against I will say, just for
the purpose of clarity, I disagree with you on this point,
but I want to know why you're so confident. Clay
agrees with you, just so you know. Yeah, Stay, you
(33:51):
got play in your corner for whatever, for whatever that's worth.
But I'm on the other side of this one. I'm
I'm in the other corner. Why are you confident that
it won't be Biden? And more importantly than that, I actually,
you know, let's gip that we all know why he's
falling around, he's too old, all that. But what happens
if it's not Biden? What do you think happens? I mean,
you're in this race, so you've got to be looking
a few steps down.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah. The part of the reason that Birthdays have a
strong instinct about this is, you know that document's case
against Biden. You don't hear a ton about it. That
probe on Hunter Biden, you don't hear a ton about it.
They've purposefully kept that in purrogatory in sort of a
middle halfway position such that if he doesn't get out
of the way, when the managerial class and the deep
state and the puffet masters of both parties, including the
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DNC want him to get out of the way, that's
when they pull those levers. And they're perfectly prime to
do it because they can say, oh, now we're just
applying it in a bipart is the manner could we
did it to Trump? When the reality is that had
nothing to do with the Republican the Democrats, and everything
to do with the shadow government and the deep state
deciding who actually was going to be the convenient puppet
they were going to be advancing. And so the reality is,
(34:54):
I think the way they see it is they're going
to wait for the Trump trials to really get underway
and then swap out Biden for the person likely Gavin Newsom,
if not somebody else. It's going to be like him
that they slipped into that spot. And I think the
country would better sort that they were stepped up and
we're honest about it. So I'll call out the RNC,
I'll call out the Democrats, I'll call out the media.
(35:14):
It's the truth three hundred and sixty degrees around, and
that one is my honest instinct of what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Last question for you, appreciate you making the time today.
You've been one hundred percent right on something Buck and
I have been hammering for a while too, the Nashville Manifesto,
the Transhooter, that it needs to be one hundred percent released.
We saw a few pages of it. There is a
desperate fight to prevent that from being released to the
American public.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
What should happen. Why do you think it's being covered up?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Release it period. We the people can handle the truth.
We've been lied to from the premise of the war
in I Rock to the Trump Russia collusion hoax that
never was. That's why I called Kristen Welker on stage
on NBC. I called her out on it. They pushed
that for years. We need accountability for that, the Hunter
Biden laptop story, that was real origin of COVID nineteen.
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How many federal agents were in the field on January sixth.
Just tell us the truth, even when it's ugly. We
deserve the truth. That's how we rebuild trunks in this country.
I went to Nashville personally in early August when the
Republican governor called a special legislative session to pass anti
gun measures. You have no right to pass additional laws
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without the using this as a catalyst to do it,
without releasing to the public the truth of what actually
happened here. When an airplane crashes, you recover the black
box because you want to make sure something like that
never happens again. But when it's a transgender shooter shooting
up six people at a Christian school, somehow, that's the
basis for hiding it.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Vig Ramaswami, everybody but vague. We got to leave it there,
my friends. At the end of the show, thanks for
being here with us. Team. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Third hour of Clay and Buck kicksoff right now and
The New York Times with a big report from over
the weekend. Here's the headline, Sweeping rays, giant camps and
mass deportations inside Trump's twenty twenty five immigration plan. Now,
(00:30):
this is interesting when you break down the various pieces
of this Trump immigration policy. As I have been saying
to you, as we have been discussing with you here
on this show for well really the whole time we've
been on the show, the Biden border is the most
wide open and the most lawless and reckless border policy
(00:50):
that we have ever seen. We also recognize that the
cartels are becoming as rich from human trafficking as they
are from the drug smuggling of opens that are killing
around one hundred thousand Americans a year at this point.
So this is a massive problem. Not to mention, there's
also the high likelihood that if any terrorist group wanted
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to infiltrate the United States across the southern border, they
would have almost no difficulty in doing so, And that
then brings us to what can be done about this.
The Democrats will do nothing other than continue the status
quo with even more resources to more rapidly process the
people illegally entering. Now, Donald Trump, if he were to
(01:35):
win and become president, has a very different plan clay,
and this goes to not only changing the incentive structures
that are in place for people to cross into the
US illegally, but the entire immigration system all of a
sudden would be rule of law based, which seems like
a shock. He would this is all, according to The
(01:56):
New York Times, scour the country for unauthorized immigrant deport
people buy the millions per year to help speed mass deportations.
Mister Trump is preparing an enormous expansion of a form
of removal that does not require due process hearings. He
would reassign other federal agents and deputize local police and
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National Guard voluntarily contributed by Republican states so the State
of Texas wants to help out. State of Texas resources
will be used for this process. He wants to build
huge camps to detain people while their cases are processed
and they await deportation. No more catch and release into
the US, never to be seen again. He would, if necessary,
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play to get around or refusal by Congress redirect money
in the military budget toward this process and do so
using his authority as commander in chief. And he would
follow quote the Eisenhower model, which was the largest domestic
deportation operation American history back in nineteen fifty for and
(03:02):
oh also end birthright citizenship. That's the key. That's the
key to me, and I'm trying to make sure we
get all the major that's a big one. Foreign students
who participate in anti Israeli pro Palestinian protests would have
their visas canceled, ending birthright citizenship. Okay, those are the
main points, Clay. This would be a map. I mean,
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the biggest change an immigration policy we've seen in this
country in our lifetimes.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I've just focused for a long time on incentives because
that's really all you can kind of analyze, and the
incentives in America are broken in terms of trying to
stop illegal immigration. There are two primary incentives, and I
think this is important to hammer home time after time.
One is there are far more jobs that are high
paying here in the United States than there are in
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any of the countries that the people are trying to
enter from. It's very difficult to stop that incentive from existing.
It just is second one though, birthright citizenship must end,
and I've heard Vivek speak out aggressively on this. It's
important to just have this debate and this conversation. There
is no reasonable, rational process by which we should allow
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you to become a citizen solely based on being born
in the United States. That is so called right of
soil citizenship. If your parents are citizens, you should be
a citizen. That's I think, without dispute, no matter where
you're born around the world. But you shouldn't be able
to become a United States citizen just because somebody sneaks
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into the country and is illegally here and has a baby,
and we have to end it, and the camps and
all those other things. I think that's going to be
very hard to implement. Speaking rationally, and remember Trump would
only have four years to do all of this. I
think it's an important battle to fight, but I think
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birthright citizenship is the one that it's supremely important to
win and ultimately buck that would go all the way
to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court would have
to analyze whether right of soil citizenship should exist and
is in fact United States law or not. It's it's
in my opinion not and that is a that is
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one of the two major incentives that we could address.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
What about the deportation of massive numbers of people, the
deputizing of state and local law enforcement that's willing to
help in that process, and the immediate removal of individuals
using whatever authorities the president has under executive authority, so
that they're either put in a camp to wait deportation
or deported as soon as they crossed the border illegally.
(05:47):
I like the concept, I think in practice it would
be very difficult to implement. Tell me more why I
think getting so.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
First of all, you're gonna let's say that we know
that they're twenty million ears eagles here right. Let's say
that's the number, and that might be low. Do you
know how many plane flights it would take to get
twenty million illegals deported out of the United States? Most
of these people would have to be flown somewhere. I
don't know that we have the capacity to even move
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that number of people out of the United States.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
It wouldn't be it wouldn't be twenty million in a
year obviously, but what about even over four years? Just
do the math on it.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I'm not sure that we have the capacity to I
mean just think, I mean a standard plane could put
what two hundred and fifty people on it?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well to get to Yeah, I mean it would Obviously
this would be a large scale process. That's why they
brought off the Eisenhower deportation proceedings that back in the
fifty or the deportation plan. Yeah, how many did they deport?
Then I'd have to look it up. One hundred, but
I think I think it might have gotten over a million.
But the issue here, clay would become first of all,
(06:58):
in any given year. I mean, if you look at
like the Obama years, they're deporting the in the hundreds
of thousands. Yeah, that's not that that's not that strange.
And to the point about incentives, if you talk about
birthright citizenship, that's obviously a big change and should be
a big change. You should not be able to play
this game of I came to the US illegal, I
had a child here, I violated the law. But now
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that's a citizen. And we know this because there are
people who are criminally prosecuted for operating, you know, operations,
And this is more in the context of Asian birth
tourism to the US, specifically from China. You're not allowed
to do that. Well, why aren't you allowed to do that?
If that's not a problem, right, Well, clearly there's an
issue here. But I think if you start to dramatically
(07:42):
increase the number of deportations, that also very much changes
the calculation for people coming here illegally, because right now,
if you get into the country, it's like a ninety
percent chance you're going to get to stay. Yeah, and
so if it's a nine out of ten shot that
if you can just get here you can stay, you're
gonna have endless amounts of people who come. You have
to create a reality where there's rule of law and
(08:05):
the deportation numbers are high enough that people say, I
might go through all this and then decide then decide
that or I might get sent back and clay some
of the migrants. This was in New York City. They
showed up to Floyd Bennett Field, which has been turned
into a twenty million dollar migrant facility. They refuse to
go into this facility. They say, this facility isn't nice enough.
And this just goes and others are saying the American
(08:26):
dream is dead. New York Post was doing some reporting
on this. If you're an asylum seeker, it's supposed to
be please please take me America, because if you don't,
I'm going to be imprison tortured and killed for my race,
my religion, my political belief something like that. And what
we see with these individuals who are like, wait a second,
I thought I was getting a four star hotel in
(08:47):
Midtown Manhattan paid for by the taxpayer, and getting a
job permit and getting free food and free healthcare and
free housing. Is they're here because it's a giant welfare state.
They're here because they can skip the immigration process. They're
not actually asylum seat Not only that, This is why
I come back to incientives.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Do you remember when we talked about they were taking
over the Brooklyn Park and they were putting all of
these people in this facility. They had access to a
swimming pool, they had Wi Fi, they had every meal,
and they were able to go work and everything else.
If I told you right now, and you're out there listening,
(09:25):
and it's summer, right when the weather's better in New
York City. Hey, you're gonna get stay in New York City.
You're going to get to have access to a pool,
You're gonna have Wi Fi, and all of your meals
are going to be covered, and you may be able
to stay in a three or four star hotel. That
sounds like to almost everybody out there listening, an incredible
summer family vacation.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
And that's people who are already living in America.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
And conceivably have the ability to live with American values,
already American wealth. In other words, you're not stunned when
you walk into a Walmart and all the things that
you can purchase. Imagine when you got a telephone call
from your friend who went north and you're stuck in
Venezuela and he says, hey, man, you know I can
(10:11):
look out my window and see the downtown New York
City skyline. I took the kids over to walk around
Times Square. We've got Wi Fi. I'm calling you right
now FaceTime. I'm making twenty x what I was making
in Venezuela. They're feeding us three square meals. My kids
can even go to a swimming pool. How would you
(10:33):
not think if you got that call that America was
the land of milk and honey, and if you could
leave Venezuela, you would. And this is why I said
this on Hannity the other night. Just take it outside
of America. How many of our listeners right now if
you were told, hey, if you go walk across into Canada,
(10:53):
you can make forty x whatever you're making in America
right now, and you will be taken care of three
square meals. You'll be able to stay in a four
star hotel while you get your family life in order.
I mean, buck, There are tons of people out there
listening to us right now that will relocate to make
ten or fifteen or twenty thousand dollars more a year
(11:15):
for their jobs, to a new state, to a new city.
If you could forty x your salary by crossing into
our northern neighbor there, Canada, tens of millions of Americans.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Would do that.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
So the incentive structure is a challenge because our lifestyle
is so much better than the lifestyle the people that
are coming here.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
And this is why you need to send people back
in large enough numbers that more people don't just keep
coming and coming illegally. This isn't even talking about the
million people a year who come in through the legal process,
whether it's Green card holders, US citizendants, et cetera. We
take in a large number of people through the legal
immigration process. This is just all dealing with the illegal
(11:58):
immigration process and the way that the system is being abused.
And I think that the more people understand that a
program set up out of the kindness and generosity of
the American spirit to allow people to escape genocidal regimes.
I mean, when you're really talking about asylum, that's what
you know. You know, I'm escaping the Khmer rouge. Please
(12:21):
you know I'm a Cambodian refugee. Please take me in,
otherwise me and my family are dead. Right, that's what
asylum is for. Asylum is not I'm from you know,
Latin America, or I'm from West Africa, or I'm from
Southeast Asia or whatever, and I want to be in
America because you have a better economy and I have
a better future there. That's the immigration process, as in,
you should apply to be an American immigrant, and there
(12:43):
are a lot of people that want that, and unfortunately
we can't take everybody. And the other part of this
that's so huge is the number of people that are
coming across our southern border. It used to be buck
a lot of people from Mexico. You come across seasonally,
you get a job, you go back home. Now are
coming from so far away. They're here forever. They're not
going to go back to Mexico.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
They're not here for you know, the seasonal purposes over
from Mexico.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Very few of them from Mexico. They're from Yes, they're
from Thailand, they're from Pakistan, they're from the Ivory Coast.
I mean, they're from all over the world.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We're going
to be joined by Vivek Ramaswami here in a bit
at the bottom of the hour to talk the latest
in his presidential campaign and what he thinks about Senator
Tim Scott stepping down. But we talked with Julie Kelly
early and this is really strange. There now is a
(15:05):
new talking point. It's that if Trump is elected to
a second term, he's going to prosecute people he disagrees
with politically, and the fact that this doesn't register on
the left, that that's exactly what they're doing to Trump
now and he's just returning fire at their decision making,
(15:25):
and that they're not even hardly asked about this. Here's
former White House spokesperson Jensaki. I bet none of you
thought you would miss her. Well you do, because Karine
Jean Pierre is probably the worst White House spokesperson of
all time. But here she is saying Trump's going to
prosecute people he deems to be political enemies.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Listen, guess what.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Joe Biden isn't perfect, No candidate is, by the way,
But we have to understand what the alternative is.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Year.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
If elected to a second term, Donald Trump would prosecute
anyone he deems an enemy, at least troops on protesters,
and essentially unravel the rule of laws we know it.
This time, he plans to line his administration with people
who will actually help him do it. But sure, Joe
Biden is three years older and occasionally trips over things.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Look, there's a lot.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
To be concerned about right now when it comes to
a second Trump term. The speeches are getting much more
disturbing and much more unhinged, and we should all hear
it that way.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Do you think Jinsaki Buck is just not smart enough
to recognize that what Trump is saying he would do
is a response to what Biden is already doing, because
I don't even see how you could make that argument
and not have your brain just exploding with the stupidity.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
No, they fully embrace the cognitive dissonance because the weaponization
of law enforcement against Trump or the judiciary against Trump
is necessary and justified in their minds, right, So they
don't think that it's not that they're unaware that they're
doing it. It's that Trump is a monster, so you
have to do whatever you can to stop the monster.
Because of all those things she just said, Like, they
(16:59):
view it as as they have the ability and the
power to do this, and so therefore they should and
they will, and they don't really care about what the
optics are. The part of it though for me that
is also an open question is if someone like a
Jensaki or there's Joe Scarborough show in the morning, there's
so many of these these liberal talking heads, are they
so emotionally unstable and and just just absurd that they
(17:23):
really believe this stuff. I mean, Trump has already been
president for four years and we had like prosperity, freedom,
this is great until COVID came along. And then we
had COVID and then the lunatics for COVID were the left.
So this time around, it it's gonna be hell. They
told us it was fascism last time, and actually it
was a booming stock market and record low unemployment in peace.
So it's kind of a tough one.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
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to Clay Ann Buck. We're joined by presidential candidate the
Vake Ramaswami you all know, Vike viveg. Thanks for calling
in man you there, sir?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah? Can you hear me? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Now we can? All right, So let's start with this one. Vivike.
We just had the debate and h you had some
of the most memorable moments. We talked about it here
on the show. Haven't seen a lot of movement in
the polls. Tim Scott just dropped out, what is your
pathway to victory? What do you say to those who
are telling you at this point it's just not going
to happen. The numbers aren't there.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Well, I think the numbers could be there. I'm not
some horse race analyst. I'm a guy who's here to
speak the truth, do it in an unapologetic way. And
I think the idea is that I'm offering in the campaign,
the vision that I'm offering, I don't think any other
candidates to bring it to the table. Two America First
candidates in the race. I think it will be an
America First nominee for sure. Obviously that's Donald Trump and myself.
(19:59):
But I am from the next generation. I have fresh legs,
and I think it's we live in a moment where
it's going to take in America first leader from that
next generation to move this country forward. And unlike the
other professional politicians in this race who have been known
quantities for years, you know, for most people in this country,
they had no idea who I was six months ago.
So I'm patient on this. It's going to be a
(20:20):
longer sales cycle, okay, But I think that that's something
that I believe belongs to the voters, and as they
get to know me, they'll be able to make a
choice between a lot of everyone in that candidate on
that stage. There's one that was not like the others.
That was me, And I think it's going to take
time and comfort for people to develop to say that,
you know, somebody thirty eight years old being the next
(20:41):
president of the United States, that's a little out of
the box. People are intrigued by it. But Thomas Jefferson
was thirty three years old when he wrote the Declaration
of Independent That's the kind of country we are. And
I do think we live in a moment where we
need to revive the ideals the nation itself was founded on.
I think we can, and I'm the candidate who I
think is gonna be the best position to do it.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
We're talking to Vivey Gramaswami memorably on Wednesday night he
was called scum by NICKI Haley, and you've spun that
in your favor. I believe you are now selling rebel
scum t shirts, which is very funny. I give credit
to your team for that. I bet you've sold quite
a few of them. Yes, you've since gone after Nicki
(21:23):
Haley quite a lot. I've watched some of those clips.
And where do you think a couple of parts here,
where do you think the animus from Nicki Haley comes?
Because it feels like she's gone after you way more
aggressively than you've gone after her. And second part of that,
it looks a little personal Vivik, Just to throw that
(21:43):
out there, personals, would you vote for Nicki Haley if
she were the nominee for the Republican Party?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
She's not going to be the nominee, and she should
come nowhere between anywhere within spitting distance of the White House.
And I'll tell you why I've been the biggest critic
of the Biden administration. I'm only Republican. I think it's
had the courage to speak the hard truth on this,
which is that the Biden administration sold off our foreign
policy to make their family rich. That's the hard truth.
(22:11):
We would not be sending money in the way we
are if Hunter Biden had not gotten us sur bribe
from Ukraine. But the problem with Nikki Haley is she's
just a Republican version of the same where the woman
who claims to be an accountant left the un swimming
in personal debt, then becomes a military contractor, then joins
the board of Boeing that then gives a secretive Speaktors
(22:32):
now is collecting stock options from companies, literally in the
middle of a presidential campaign. I don't think that's ever
happened in US history to my knowledge. And just like
Biden is a multi millionaire, so the World War three
than we've ever been and these people are going to
march us. There the Bidens, the Haleys, the Dick Cheney
two point zeros, the neo cons that pervade both parties.
(22:54):
It is an ideological and generational difference and divide, and
she represents everything in my that's wrong with American politics
and near the white I don't care if she has
an R after her name or not.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
So would you vote for her if she were the nominee?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Then I think I will be a failed American. If
I'm running for US president and this individual comes anywhere
near becoming the nominee, it's not going to happen, and
I think that the American people see in the truth,
I think need to actually be crystal clear about making
sure that just because you get Hillary Clinton, if she
(23:29):
called a publican, I don't think that that would cause
me to vote for Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Why do you think she dislikes you so much?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Because it does seem personal, like the way that she's
gone after you. I mean, you raised the point that
her daughter is on TikTok, her daughter's grown, and she
was I mean, this is not acting right. She seems
to genuinely not like you. Where do you think that
comes from.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I think it comes from a deep seated envy of
swords actually, and as the woman who's never made an
honest dime in the private sector but clearly inspires to
be wealthy and sees me as I think a young
buck who has not I mean then in the buck sense.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Of I get you, I get you.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, a young buck who you know, I think hasn't
put in the kind of earned the kind of stripes
that someone like her has. You know, funny stories. The
first time we met was actually her reaching out to
me years ago when I was writing woke in Actually, Buck,
this is when you and I first met in the
prey line.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
We did that awesome event up in Milwaukee for like
fifteen hundred people. That was great.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
That was awesome. Right, So this is I think actually
if I'm remembering right before the book came out, or
it was in the run up to the book coming out,
and she reaches out spontaneously because I was starting to
begin to get attention as a CEO who was pointing
out the perils of corporate wokeness long before people knew
what that word was. And there was something striking about it.
I mean, she was. It was a very calculating move, right,
(24:54):
this guy could be a player. I want to be
the first person probably to reek out to make sure
from getting him on my side, he ends up blurbing
the back of the book. So this is somebody who
for her entire career has proven she will do literally
you can look at the full extent of her past
in South Carolina. She will do literally whatever is required
(25:15):
to get ahead. And I think scratching the backs of
companies for special favors. Boeing got their back scratched by her.
She ends up joining the board of Boeing. Afterwards, rides
on private and them pharmaceutical company and then ends up
doing special state contracts for them, and other details which
I will leave it to others to look up that
are outside the financial realm. But somebody who will literally
(25:38):
do anything to get ahead for another unit to froll in.
Her reach out to me years ago and establishing contact
when I early began to be a rising star was
just another example of that. But to her now to
say that out of turn to challenge her past the power,
I think that she does take that very personally. But
you know, frankly, even in this conversation, I think we've
(25:59):
spent too much on somebody who is really just another
manifestation of a modern Dick Cheney that has no place
in the modern Republican party or should well, I can
tell you.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, since that last debate, a lot of people have
been wondering what your your and her true feelings are
about each other in this race. So we appreciate that
you've at least had your say on this one. And
I did want to ask, you know. We spoke to
former President Trump last week, Clay and I for an
hour here on the air, and he seemed fired up
(26:30):
for the fight ahead and unfazed by all the legal
challenges against him. And you know, I think that there's
We've been talking about second choice candidates for different people,
and and you know where the support ebbs and flows
for different candidates. A lot of Trump people like you
a lot and a lot of people that maybe even
your their first choice, would say, well, Trump is my
second choice. What do you say to anybody who says
(26:53):
that this just isn't your time. Let Trump finish the race.
You can help him, and then you can be in
a position for the next round.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Look, I think that decision belongs to the voters of
this country. I mean, I respect Donald Trump immensely, and
he and I have a good relationship with mutual respect.
He was an excellent president and the reason he's polling
so well right now is he kept us out of
World War three and he grew the economy. So I've
unlike the other candidates, and actually, guys, this is actually
one that that's kind of funny to me. Is every
other candidate, from Nikki to Ron to otherwise licked his
(27:23):
boot for some special favors for years, usually money or
endorsements are both, And now is Monday Morning quarterbacking him
on some small thing that he didn't do perfectly. Yeah,
I'm my contrast, I've not licked trump boot. Trump's boot
for years, even the net Woking book tour. I sat
down at dinner with him, but I've never sucked up
to the guy before. But I stand actually for his
(27:45):
record now when everybody else after him. Not because in
myself interest in this race to do it be easier
for med from competition, but it's the right thing to
do affect him. There's two America First candidates, but I
think the voters deserve to get the choice they have,
which is do you want the prior generation of it?
Or do you want the next generation of it? And
I think I have fresh legs. I'm able to reach
(28:07):
the next generation in the new generation. So I can't
offer what Trump does, which is to say experience. He's
you know, done it before, that's tried and true, and
if that's what people want to go with, then he's
going to be the nominee.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I think we.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I think we're lost and do we want to reach him?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
The vague last question for you, I presume that you're
going to be on the stage in December, Uh, do
you think anybody else should drop out? In your mind,
Tim Scott is out. I saw you had nice words
about him. I know it seemed that you guys got
along and had a decent rapport on the stage.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
For the debate state. Can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah, you think you're going to qualify for the debate
stage in December? And do you think anybody else should
drop out? I heard him say he's already qualified. But
I think we I think we've had a bad sell
connection here.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I don't know. Maybe Nicky Haley's people are sabotaging the
cell towers or something. Something crazy. He's happening, she called Boeing.
We'll come back. We'll let you all react.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
We appreciate the fake hanging out with us, a lot
of interesting things that he said.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
We'll let you weigh in as well. Can I also
say we will reach out to because he was taking
some swings there. We will reach out to the Nicki
Haleyes campaign. We'll bring her on the show, let her
respond everything that he said, and also make her case
for why she should be the nominee. We are open
for him, for all Republican candidates here who are still
in the mix. So we'll put out the call the
Nicki Haley's team. Let's see if she comes on. Because
the Vike was not holding back play.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
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Find it in the Clay and Buck podcast feed on
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back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Butvike Ramaswami with
us now better line going to finish out the program, Vivike.
When we finished the last segment, I was asking if
you'd be on the stage for the fourth debate, whether
you've qualified and have you had any conversations with Roni
(31:28):
McDaniel since you asked her to go ahead and resign
over what you considered to be a failed RNC leadership.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
So I have qualified for the fourth debate, and I
will be on there in early December. I think I'll
be similarly unrestrained both on that debate stage and for
the rest of this race, because I think that kind
of honesty is what's required in our country. Ron and
I have not spoken directly. It is interesting. I've seen
(31:57):
her on the national press so and I think she's
proven my point in the aftermath of me calling on
her to resign, just for some shread of accountability in
our party. Since she took over in twenty seventeen, we
lost in twenty eighteen, twenty two, and twenty twenty three,
all disastrous results for Republicans. So yeah, I do think
(32:17):
there should be some accountability. But she, you know, reportedly
that night at the debate on press reports, people in
the roads sitting near her say she was booing while
I was speaking in other parts of the debate, interesting
thing for an R and C chairwoman to be doing.
Said that I would not get another cent from the
RNC to somebody treating it like it's their own money,
(32:37):
proves the point that it's their corruption of the institution.
It's like a squadron, a rent controlled apartment that starts
to bear the illusion that they owned the place. So
that situation reminds me of I think she went on
Fox and flat out set on national television that I
voted for Obama dead false, never done it in my life,
of course, and yet you have the chair woman of
(33:00):
the RNC is saying that about a candidate actively in
a race. So I think since then she's done an
outstanding job of continuing to prove my point, saying that
they weren't involved in the state races, that Virginia didn't
want their money. Virginia GP contradicted that instantly said she
didn't play in the state races. It's now come out
that she was involved in the Kentucky races and the
r and C was So we haven't turn into we
(33:21):
haven't spoken directly, but in the in the barbs she's
been trying to issue in the media, I think she's
been scoring a lot of own goals and proving the
point that it's time for new leadership at the RNC.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
The vague you set up on the debate stage that
you and I don't want to miss quote you, but basically,
it's not going to be Biden, that whoever wins up
here is facing off against I will say, just for
the purpose of clarity, I disagree with you on this point,
but I want to know why you're so confident. Clay
agrees with you, just so you know. Yeah, Stay, you
(33:51):
got play in your corner for whatever, for whatever that's worth.
But I'm on the other side of this one. I'm
I'm in the other corner. Why are you confident that
it won't be Biden? And more importantly than that, I actually,
you know, let's gip that we all know why he's
falling around, he's too old, all that. But what happens
if it's not Biden? What do you think happens? I mean,
you're in this race, so you've got to be looking
a few steps down.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah. The part of the reason that Birthdays have a
strong instinct about this is, you know that document's case
against Biden. You don't hear a ton about it. That
probe on Hunter Biden, you don't hear a ton about it.
They've purposefully kept that in purrogatory in sort of a
middle halfway position such that if he doesn't get out
of the way, when the managerial class and the deep
state and the puffet masters of both parties, including the
(34:33):
DNC want him to get out of the way, that's
when they pull those levers. And they're perfectly prime to
do it because they can say, oh, now we're just
applying it in a bipart is the manner could we
did it to Trump? When the reality is that had
nothing to do with the Republican the Democrats, and everything
to do with the shadow government and the deep state
deciding who actually was going to be the convenient puppet
they were going to be advancing. And so the reality is,
(34:54):
I think the way they see it is they're going
to wait for the Trump trials to really get underway
and then swap out Biden for the person likely Gavin Newsom,
if not somebody else. It's going to be like him
that they slipped into that spot. And I think the
country would better sort that they were stepped up and
we're honest about it. So I'll call out the RNC,
I'll call out the Democrats, I'll call out the media.
(35:14):
It's the truth three hundred and sixty degrees around, and
that one is my honest instinct of what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Last question for you, appreciate you making the time today.
You've been one hundred percent right on something Buck and
I have been hammering for a while too, the Nashville Manifesto,
the Transhooter, that it needs to be one hundred percent released.
We saw a few pages of it. There is a
desperate fight to prevent that from being released to the
American public.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
What should happen. Why do you think it's being covered up?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Release it period. We the people can handle the truth.
We've been lied to from the premise of the war
in I Rock to the Trump Russia collusion hoax that
never was. That's why I called Kristen Welker on stage
on NBC. I called her out on it. They pushed
that for years. We need accountability for that, the Hunter
Biden laptop story, that was real origin of COVID nineteen.
(36:01):
How many federal agents were in the field on January sixth.
Just tell us the truth, even when it's ugly. We
deserve the truth. That's how we rebuild trunks in this country.
I went to Nashville personally in early August when the
Republican governor called a special legislative session to pass anti
gun measures. You have no right to pass additional laws
(36:21):
without the using this as a catalyst to do it,
without releasing to the public the truth of what actually
happened here. When an airplane crashes, you recover the black
box because you want to make sure something like that
never happens again. But when it's a transgender shooter shooting
up six people at a Christian school, somehow, that's the
basis for hiding it.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Vig Ramaswami, everybody but vague. We got to leave it there,
my friends. At the end of the show, thanks for
being here with us. Team. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
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