October 10, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show delivers a packed final hour before the weekend, covering breaking political news, cultural controversies, and an exclusive author interview. The hour opens with the latest on the ongoing government shutdown, as Speaker Mike Johnson accuses Democrats of prioritizing political theatrics over reopening the government. Clay and Buck analyze why Democrats are facing growing public backlash and how internal party pressures from the far-left are driving the stalemate.
The conversation shifts to Antifa and left-wing extremism, sparked by a White House statement labeling Antifa a domestic terrorist organization and Jimmy Kimmel’s viral claim that “Antifa doesn’t exist.” Clay and Buck dismantle that narrative, citing historical examples of Antifa violence and highlighting media hypocrisy in downplaying left-wing political violence, including the shocking case of a man caught with 200 explosive devices allegedly targeting Supreme Court justices.
The hosts also react to Nobel Peace Prize news, where Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado dedicated her award to President Trump for his support of Venezuela’s fight for freedom. Clay and Buck discuss the significance of this moment for Latin American politics and why Venezuelan and Cuban communities in the U.S. strongly oppose socialism.
In the second half of the hour, the show features an in-depth interview with Jack Carr, former Navy SEAL and bestselling author of the Terminal List series and Amazon Prime hit Dark Wolf. Carr shares behind-the-scenes details on adapting his books for television, his writing process, and his latest novel Cry Havoc. He offers practical advice for aspiring authors, insights on balancing creative projects with Hollywood demands, and his thoughts on weaving real-world geopolitics into fiction. The discussion wraps with Carr naming his top war movies and the literary legends who inspired his career.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, it's third hour of Play again buck last
hour before the weekend gets going, which is so excelling,
and let's just bring up to speed all the latest news. Yere,
Let's dive into it, shall we. First of all, the
government shutdown is still a thing. The government is still
shut down. And Speaker Johnson, who play while you were out,
(00:20):
he actually called into the show. So we spoke to
the Speaker of a House about this issue. But he
just weighed in earlier today and his take is that
Democrats know they're going to have to cave, but first
they have to go through the theatrics of perhaps some
rallies over this weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Here is the Speaker of the House cut thirty hit it.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
We're so angry about it. I mean, you know, I'm
a very patient guy, but I have had it with
these people. They're playing games with real people's lives. The
theory we have right now. They have a Hate America
rally that's scheduled for October eighteenth on the National Mall.
It's all the pro moss Wing and the you know,
the Antifa people, they're all coming out. Some of the
(01:04):
House Democrats are selling t shirts for the event and
it's it's being told to us that they won't be
able to reopen the government until after that rally because
they can't face their rabid base. I mean, this is
serious business, hurting real people, and I just I'm beyond words.
I can't believe they're actually doing.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
This, Democrats putting the politics of the moment ahead of
real people's interests. Clay not a surprise here at all,
and I think this is the first shutdown I can
remember where Democrats are getting rarely the blame from a
majority of Americans.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I don't think most Americans feel impacted by the shutdown
at all. I mean, the Trump Middle East peace agreement
and him traveling to the Middle East is going to
take over all of the news through the weekend. The
release of the hostages, hopefully, which will occur after two
years on Monday, will be an unbelievable moment in the
(02:02):
Middle East. Even for Trump's detractors, that will be an
event that is very difficult not to imagine it leading
news all through Monday. I just I feel like Democrats
are in a tough spot and the reality is it
seems like Trump's kind of calling their bluff and saying okay,
we're gonna start laying off primarily Democrat workers.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And they cause this.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
And they don't really seem to have a way to
fix it, and I just think it's going to drag
on for a long time until some of these senators
in swing states Michigan, New Hampshire, Georgia, Arizona, until they
start looking around and recognizing that their constituents are not
(02:49):
pleased over their decision making. Remember, there's nothing going on here.
This is unprecedented because the continuing resolution would just continue
to spend money as has already occurred. And I just
think they're in a really tough position. I don't know
how they get themselves out of this mess. And I
think the only reason Chuck Schumer let it happen is
(03:09):
because he's terrified of AOC And I think Hakeem Jefferies
is terrified over one of the Mom Donnie guys who
evidently is going to challenge him in his seat. And
I think radical left wing ideas have taken root because remember,
the leader of the House is a New Yorker, the
leader of the Senate for Democrats is a New Yorker,
(03:32):
and the left in New York City has lost its
mind they're going to elect a socialist a communists, it appears,
and that has taken over the entire Democrat Party. So
I think this is actually just a local political preservation
move that Hakeem, Jefferies and Schumer are engaged in.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Meanwhile, speaking of the radical left, Clay the White House
puts out this on X Make no mistake, Antifa is
a radical terrorist organization that explicitly calls for the overthrow
of the US government, law enforcement, and our system of law.
Under the Trump administration, Antifa's days are over, but noted
extremism expert Jimmy Kimmel, who still has a TV show.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Everybody, I guess the first amendments not dead.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Oh my gosh, Jimmy Kimmel was off the air for
two days. Here's Jimmy or was it three days? Whatever
it was, here's Jimmy Kimmel four days.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
To be fair, I think I don't want MSNBC fact
checking you on your lack of commitment to the truth
and decency.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Thank you, Clay's Clay's always got my back. Jimmy Kimmel
lying to his audience about Antifa. This is twenty four
hit it you understand.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
There's no Antina.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
This is an entirely imaginary organization.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
There is not an Antifa.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
This is no different than if they.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
Announced they rounded up a dozen Decepticons.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
We've captured the super Cobra.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Everyone.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I've read books about Antifa. I've seen Antifa personally. I've
never seen the Chupacabra though, so I think that Jimmy's
analysis here needs a little bit of work.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yeah, he's wrong, And I've seen Antifa too. I remember
when Antifa really kind of got its start.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Remember all the.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
World Bank protests that they used to have. I don't
think they care about the World Bank anymore. But my
recollection is this is where all of the crazy people
became crazy for the first time was related to the IMF.
Do you remember that when they decided the IMF was
uniquely evil? And I haven't heard about the IMF in
a very very long time, but when I was in college,
(05:39):
the IMF is right next to George Washington University, and
they basically rioted in nineteen ninety nine or two thousand
or whatever it was. I remember walking through campus and
all these Antifa lunatics running around with spray paint cans
and throwing throwing molotov cocktail a little bit like it
(05:59):
wasn't as if it was the same level that we
saw during the BLM protest. But lots of graffiti, lots
of the spray lighting things on fire. Remember that back
in the day when people used to have I don't
know what it was, but they would spray something and
they'd have a lighter and it would kind of turn
into a blow torch or whatever. Yeah, a lot of
that going on. And yeah, so I don't understand the
(06:23):
argument being this thing that you're seeing happen is not real.
This is the typical way this goes, right, they say
that's not happening. Then they say, Okay, it happens, but
not very often. Then they go to, yeah, it's happening
and it's a good thing. So at some point they're
going to come back around to yes, Antifa exists, but
(06:44):
they're not very impactful, and eventually we're all going to
be told, yes, Antifa exists. Then they have to exist
because otherwise who would stand up to fascism? And that's
kind of the treadmill that we're on when it comes
to the way we talk about left wing violence in
the country.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Buck did we even talk about this.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Apologies if we didn't, but it may have been earlier
this week, you may have mentioned it. Everybody just totally
basically stopped talking about a guy who had two hundred
explosive devices and showed up outside of a church where
the Republican, the Republican appointed and confirmed Supreme Court justices
tend to go worship and he wanted to kill as
(07:21):
many people as he could. Thankfully, they caught him two
hundred incendiary devices in his car. Though that seems like
kind of a big deal, it just totally plays that story.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Before we know whether he should spend the rest of
his life in prison or not, we have to know
does he identify as trans? Yeah, that's important because if
you identify as trans, you get a very light sentence,
even if you're planning a political assassination.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
That was just established.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Based on the guy who said he wanted to kill
Brett Kavanaugh. Because now he says he's trends, It's like
whoa WHOA Hold on a second, I didn't know he
was trans. We can't put him in prison that long,
and we're going to put him in a women's prison.
That's what they're trying to do. I mean, I'm gonna
be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
I guess if you had to get sent to prison,
like if I ever faced multiple years in prison, I'm
gonna say I'm a chick too. It's probably a lot
safer in a girl's prison than it is a guy's prison.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Am I crazy? M much better deal for a guy.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
To be in a woman's prison, and a I would assume,
I would assume I don't have experience.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I feel like I'm gonna be safer in the showers,
let's put it that way, than I would in the
men's prison.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
So I do.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I'm not even necessarily surprised by the decision, but I mean,
in all seriousness, we just keep stacking all of these
left wing wounds one after the other, and they happen
so frequently that the stories vanish and they have no
residence whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
And it just reminds me of the Jan six. You know,
Jan six happens and.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
They talk about it four years and they refuse to
allow it to vanish. Meanwhile, there's an assassin outside of
Brett Kavanaugh's house who is trying to kill him to
ensure that Roe V. Wade is not overturned. We still
don't know who the leaker was worth mentioning that set
all of this in order and was designed to set
this in order right. That basically drew the big target
(09:06):
on the on the Supreme Court justices because it was
until the public, yes, it was inciting terrorism, it was
inciting releasing that decision was meant to incite violence and
perhaps an assassination of a Supreme Court justice to stop
that decision. Because Democrats told me, feel as many babies
as they want with no one stopping.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Them until the opinion is published. It is not law.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
So that was an unprecedented leak which never occurs. And
there's only fifty people probably that had significant access to
that opinion, and basically everybody just threw up their hands
and said, well, we'll never know. But that was the
impetus under which Brett Kavanaugh's assassination was attempted.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Jimmy Kimmel not finished, by the way, with his statements
about politics lately. Here he is, remember, he got in
trouble because he's said that Charlie Kirk's assassin was a
MAGA guy, which was a lie. It was preposterous. Now
Here he is saying that he didn't say anything wrong.
It was the way that people pounced on what he
(10:12):
said played twenty five.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
I didn't think there was a big problem.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
I you know, I just saw it as distortion on
the part of some of the right wing media networks,
and I was I aimed to correct it. I have
problems like all the time, and it's kind of funny
because sometimes you think, oh, this is not a problem,
and then it turns into a big problem. And then
sometimes it goes the other way where you think like, oh, oh,
(10:36):
this is gonna be a problem nobody really notices, and
so what point did you realize this was a problem.
I think when they pulled the show off the air, well,
that's unusual. He felt like their initial comments had been mischaracterized.
I didn't feel like it was playwhere it was intentionally
and I think maliciously mischaracterized.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
How was one mischaracterizing his words when what he said
was clearly false and malicious? That this is This is
where I wish somebody would ask, like, explain how that's
a mischaracter You said something that was clearly untrue, and
you didn't it wasn't part of a joke. By the way,
(11:18):
that's also a lie. He wasn't making a joke. He
was making a political statement. So now I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
The answer is. Yeah, I mean, I don't think there
is one.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I mean, look, I would just say we talk live
every single day, and so far, to my knowledge, we
haven't really had to apologize for anything. Now, we get
facts wrong unintentionally, we come back and we say, hey,
we saw that, we said this, but we never apologized
for an actual opinion. I don't think there was a mischaracterization. Now,
(11:51):
I do agree with him. That was I thought actually
kind of funny. When they took the show off. That's
when you know it's a bad thing. This is why
I'm anti cancel culture. Many of you who listened to
Rush know this. They will not stop coming after us
no matter what. They came after Rush with everything they had.
And I don't think that they're suddenly going to say, oh,
(12:16):
they're coming for us too, we're gonna change it. I
think this is where you stand on principle. I understand
some people disagree and say, hey, live radio, live television,
whatever it is, this shouldn't be a cancel culture at all.
And I said that for Roseanne, I said that for
for Gina Carano. I think that if you're in creative space,
any comedian out there, you're sometimes going to speak inarticulately
(12:40):
and sometimes you're gonna say moronic things. And I think
as long as you are doing your best to to
to try to be creative in the space, I don't
think we should try to cancel people. But the words
weren't mischaracterized. They were poorly said, and they were they
were rightly condemned, I think by you when I saw
that he lied or or.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
He said something false because he's a moron. But either
way it's a bad thing to say. Living on blue sky,
the amount of left wingers who do not know basic
truths now and this is why I talk about the
cognitive dissonance. You've been told Trump's Hitler, and now he's
on the cover of Jerusalem Today or whatever it is
and is going to bring back all the terrorists. I mean,
(13:24):
at some point, the alarm bell should start going off
in your head. Hey, wait a minute, maybe the things
that I've been told by the media I follow are
not true. And I'm cautiously optimistic. Buck if you look,
for instance, at what's going on with the Washington Post,
that people like Jeff Bezos are starting to get fed
up with things, and there is a cultural shift that
(13:44):
is significant even in left wing publications.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Fingers crossed, you have more faith than I do. I'm
an optmorph. This is true, You're an optimist. I'm surly
all right.
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Speaker 2 (15:17):
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Speaker 4 (15:25):
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Speaker 2 (15:34):
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Speaker 4 (15:38):
I was not expecting to see this from less in Orville,
California KBFK Radio. He's weighing in on me in a
prison listen.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
Uhh, No, you would not be safe for in a
women's prison. Not that you're gonna get killed or anything
like that, but trust me, you will. You wouldn't be
able to walk. And you know why, you know what
I'm talking. I can't say it on air. No, Yeah,
he'd be passed around like one of them electric devices.
(16:07):
That again I'm not gonna say. Yeah, it wind up
falling off after the first month, but no.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Wes, I mean, let's just going blue here at the
end of the end of the final hour of the week.
By the way, good news, thank you les, very funny,
good news from the Nobel Peace Prize. Not that Trump
was left behind on this as he should have won,
but I thought this was great. This is Maria Corina Machado,
(16:37):
who won the Nobel Peace Prize, said, the recognition of
the struggle of all Venezuelans is a boost to conclude
our task to conquer freedom. We're on the threshold of victory,
and today, more than ever, we count on President Trump,
the people of the United States, the peoples of Latin America,
and the democratic nations of the world as our principal
allies to achieve freedom and democracy. I dedicate this prize
(17:00):
to the suffering people of Venezuela and to President Trump
for his decisive support of our cause. Buck, you have
got a ton of Venezuelans where you live, all over
Miami who have helped to flip Dade County red because they,
more than most understand the perils of socialism.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I love my right wing Latinos. We just we're very sympatico,
you know. And whether it's my right wing Cubans or
my right wing Venezuelans or any of my Latino right
wing people, they understand because yeah, they've experienced, particularly in
those two countries, what happens when communism is just basically
(17:38):
a codified version of social justice wokeness.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
That's all it.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Ever, it's an earlier version of it, I should say,
it's the same thing.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
And I thought that was well said by her. And
we'll see whether Trump potentially wins the Nobel Prize next
year at Peace Prize because of the situation in Israel
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Speaker 1 (18:53):
We're joined by Jackcarr. He is a former Navy seal
turned best selling author of The Terminal List books and
The Streaming Show, which is an excellent show. Highly How
do you recommend the books and the show? Usually, Jack,
you know you don't get both to be great, Like
you can write great books, but they don't do a
great show. You are in very rarefied air my friend
(19:15):
as somebody who has both great books and great show.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
Thank you, thank you so much. Yeah, both went to
number one on Prime Video, which is not that and
the first one that aired in twenty twenty two summer
of twenty twenty two hops back into that top five,
which is unusual as well, so after so many years.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
So that was pretty pretty cool.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
We'll find out in the next couple weeks if we
get a second season of Dark Wolf's looking good though.
Everybody wants to do it, so we shall see. And
then we just finished film and True Believer of the
second book over in Morocco and finished up there been
told me that since February in South Africa, Morocco and Toronto,
and that should come out next summer. So there's there's
a lot in the works.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I really appreciate.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
You know, when you're in the first episode, the first
episode of Dark Wolf, which obviously I saw recently, it
to me there's so much really good content that could
be done about that gwatt Era and special operations, but
really very few people have.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Done it or certainly done it well.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
And I think you just nailed it in the opening
episode of Dark Wolf. I'm also a Taylor Kitch and
Pratt are like two of my favorite actors. So how
did you manage? Did you get to pick?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Were you like? You know what?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I just want these two awesome guys to be playing
important roles in my series.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Well, Chris optioned out of the gate.
Speaker 8 (20:32):
He's the only person I wanted to option it and
play the character of James Reees. So he was my
pick and set from the beginning, and then the first
season I wasn't involved in the casting process. I was
involved in it for the second season and for Dark Wolf,
but first season I wasn't. So it was a not
a surprise, but I guess a surprise in the fact
that I didn't pick him. I didn't pick anybody because
(20:53):
I wasn't involved. But they said Taylor Kitch is playing
Ben Edwards, and I said, oh my gosh, that is
the best pick.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Have you got Riggins to play a navy Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Bock even recognizes the start from Friday Night Lights.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, Jack, And so that's an incredible combo.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
What is it like to balance writing obligations with making
television show obligations? Because I imagine you're on the road
all the time. You're promoting the book, the books all
the time, but you have to continue to produce new books.
How do you balance it all out? Do you have
a set, regimented schedule. There's a lot of people out
there in creative space, I bet that are curious how
(21:32):
you balance all of that.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Yes, well, balance is a bit of a misnomer. I
hope to get to some balance one day. But there's
a reason we're talking here in October and not in
June when the book was supposed to come out, and
that is because I was juggling so much with both
the TV show, two TV shows, essentially Dark Wolf and
True Believer, and writing this book that I thought was
going to be the most efficiently written book yet, meaning
(21:57):
I thought I had a good understanding of Vietnam, lessons
learned from Vietnam, the sixties, overall the feel of that
period of time. And then I dove into the research
for this book Cry Havoc, and I'm on book tour
four right now, and I realized I'd really just scratched
the surface, because every sentence in this book has to
be written through the lens of nineteen sixty eight. I
didn't want to have fifty plus years of hindsight applied
(22:20):
to any character's perspective on an event, a situation, or
part of a conversation. So that took a lot longer
than research for a contemporary thriller.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
And that's why we're here in.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
October point being the balance thing is something I am
still working on. Every morning I get up and it's
like being shot out of a cannon with kids, wife,
dog and all the rest of it.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
So it's just mass chaos.
Speaker 8 (22:41):
But I feel extremely fortunate to be working on multiple
Hollywood projects, multiple books, and to have Cry Havoc out there,
which I think is my best book yet.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Ooh, let's saying something.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
And you know, my father in law is a huge fan,
huge fan of the series.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
I know, I think I said it one I didn't directed.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
By that nod, thank you for that. And he reads
it like within you know, days of getting it, so
he's always very up to speed on it. I want
to ask you. The one thing that we get here
a lot, especially when I see people in person, Jack,
is they'll say, you know, I'm thinking about doing a podcast,
like do you have any advice? And I'll you know,
(23:19):
and we really do a radio show that's also a podcast.
But I just say, yeah, here's my advice. Do it,
and just start doing it, and just do it a lot,
and then go What if someone comes up to you
and says, you know, hey, man, like you you really,
you know, you're the Tom Clancy of our era, Like
you've become this huge phenomenon, so much success in writing.
How do I start to write a fiction book? In
(23:41):
the most general terms, what do you say to them?
Speaker 8 (23:44):
I say, don't worry about anything else but writing that book, meaning,
don't worry about Do I need to find an agent.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
Do I need to find a publisher?
Speaker 8 (23:51):
How does that happen? Do I need a social media presence?
Do I need to build that up in order to
sell books? I need to get a website going? When
need you to start? No, all of that bandwidth is
now bandwidth. It is not going into making that product,
in this case, a book, the best that it can
possibly be. So focus those efforts on making this book
the best it can possibly be. And then once it's done,
or you get it to a place where you think, hey,
(24:12):
if I worked on this for the next five to
ten years, it would get better, but it would get
better by a degree or two. And when you're at
that stage, then it's time to start thinking about those
other things, thinking about having to find an agent and
a publisher and all the rest of it. But the
first thing you have to do is have that product that.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I got one follow up question for you, Jack, and sorry,
I may or may not be taking notes here, because
I think writing a fiction book.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Would be fun.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Do you structure the whole thing out or do you
start writing based on the story you want to tell
and then create structure after you've gotten a chapter out
or something.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
Yeah, I have the same exact process from the entire time,
and it's not based on anything that I read or
anyone's advice. It was just what I thought was common sense.
And I come up with the title and a theme
for every book. And I've come up with a title,
even if it's going to change, wasting bandwidth, worried about
coming up with a good title, So I do that
I have a theme that's going to guide the writing process.
In the case of the first book, it was Revenge
(25:08):
without Constraint, and I had that on a little yellow
sticky on my computer as I typed away, just to
keep me on track. Then I read a one page
executive summary, and I read it and I say, is
this worth the next year to the year and a
half of my life?
Speaker 5 (25:19):
And if the answer is.
Speaker 8 (25:20):
Yes, I read it again and I say, if someone
was to walk by a Hudson News at the airport
and pull this book off the shelf and read something
similar to this that describes the book, would they be
willing to invest time in this story that they're never
going to get back? And if the answer is yes
or most likely, then that's my project. That's the next book.
And I take that one page executive summary, turn that
into the outline so I know where I'm going. So
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I have that beginning of that middle of that end,
a few scenes that are going to happen along the way,
and I at least have a destination. And if there's
some things in that out line where I'm like, ah close,
are you ever going to get out of this situation?
Or well, I know I have a year to figure
it out.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
This isn't the.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
Battlefield in a rack at Afghanistan where I have to
make a split second decision that's going to affect people
to my.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Right and left forever families. Now I have time.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
I can sleep on or I can wake up, I
can edit, and in a year, I am confident that
I'm creative enough that I can figure this out. So
get that to that stage, and then I turn that
outline into the narrative.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
We're talking to jackcar cry Havoc is the latest and
best book that Jack Carr has ever written. According to
Jackcarr himself, I love those answers, by the way, and
I would encourage people out there to take that advice
and pursue your own writing desires.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
The world is evolving and there's so much crazy happening
every day. You write out those plot points, and do
you ever think, boy, there's no way anything like this
could happen. And then there's a plot point that is
very similar to what you have thought about before. And
to your point, you spend a year writing, but it
can end up looking very timely. How much do you
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pay attention to current events? Buck just came back from Taiwan,
for instance. I'm not giving you ideas. You probably haven't
thought about a lot, but you know you can kind
of think of where the geopolitical flash points might be.
Are you conscious of that? Are you thinking about it?
As you're writing, or are you trying to divorce yourself
from the current world in which you sit.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
I'm always ever since I was little kid, I'm always
interested in in currents, current events, also history, the merging
of those two. What lessons we can draw from history
and apply to the problem sets of the present as wisdom.
But I'm not thinking about I need to grab something
from the headlines or I need to project into the future.
It happens naturally. I'm very aware of what's going on
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around the world. That's just where my interests lie then,
but I'm not obsessed with trying to fit it into
a story. Instead, I am focused only on the story.
And if I'm only focused on this story without worrying
about the current event or a headline, or if I'm
going to upset somebody with if I say X, Y
or Z or hey, are short chapters better than the
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long chapters?
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Now, I don't consider any of that.
Speaker 8 (27:55):
I just focus on the story, and in doing so,
I honor I think the readership and the listnership now
that is going to spend time with me that they're
never getting back, So I focus on that. But things
have happened that I've written about that I didn't. It
looks like I'm projecting something like the Russian invasian Ukraine,
But that was not a hard one. That was that
came out in twenty nineteen. That's the one we filmed
(28:16):
True Believer that we just finished up, and that storyline
had to change a little bit because the Russians actually
did invade Ukraine. So there's been that I talked about
an AI quantum computer well before anyone had heard of
chat GPT. There are certain things like that that have
come up in the novels. October seventh, something similar to
that I wrote about in Israel not too long ago
(28:38):
before it happened. So some of these things look like
I'm projecting I have a crystal ball, but I certainly
do not. They are just they just happened to correspond
with some current events. But I do like to weave
a lot of things that are our topical into the storylines,
because at one day people are going to go back
maybe and read these and it'll be like that time machine.
It's me going back and reading Hunt for Red October.
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Now that's a time machine in nineteen eighty four. And
so I do I am talking to some of that.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You think Tom Clancy is the biggest inspiration you had.
Who would you say, as a writer for what you're doing,
if you had to pick one author would be the
biggest thing.
Speaker 8 (29:16):
I picked one because I read so many growing up
and they're all part of my foundation. So it's certainly Clancy.
It's David Morrell. It's Nelson de Mill, It's A. J.
Quinnelli's J. C. Pollock, It's Mark Olden, It's Louis Lamore,
It's JOHONN.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Caray.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
It's Ian Fleming, It's Robert Ludlumit's all of those masters
that I read from the eighties all the way through
the nineties and continue to read today. David Morrell, who
created Rambo in nineteen seventy two with First Blood, kicked
off this book tour with me in Phoenix just a
few days ago. Such an honor to be on stage
with him. And all of those guys were so instrumental
during those very formative time in my life, let's say
(29:50):
for most of us age ten to twenty, and during
that time I am reading all those masters, and they're
really becoming my professors in the art of storytelling. But
back then I didn't look at it that way. I
just looked at it as escaping into the magic of
those pages. But it created this foundation that I then
coupled with the academic study of warfare and my experiences
down range in Iraq and Afghanistan, so I can bring
the feelings and emotions behind certain events that I was
(30:12):
involved with.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
All Right, all right, Jack, Jack, you're a best selling author,
you're an America page, You're a fantastic guy. You're being
far too diplomatic and humble, though, so I want to
put you on the hot seat with three best war
movies of all time. Then you don't have to give
it your author number one, but the three best war
movies for you are what all right.
Speaker 8 (30:31):
Band of Brothers, even though it's a series, I think it,
you know, keep that one to the side, but it's
a series.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
But that is certainly up there.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
I was just actually, right before we came on here,
I had to wrap up a podcast with Charlie Sheen
and we were talking, oh wow, tune. Yeah, we're talking
about Platoon and his experience on set with Apocalypse Now
when he was like nine or ten years old with
his dad. Because my book is probably having nineteen seventy eight,
and so we're talking about that and his experiences on
set with Marlon Brando and Dennis Hopper and Robert Duval
(31:00):
and just just a fascinating conversation with him. So I
would say band of brothers. I would throw a platoon
in there, for sure. I love Uncommon Valor. For those
who have remember that one Apopulypse now longest day.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Those ones really stand out to me.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Last question for you as we go to break here,
I've got one here who is a guy or gal
who has read your book that you were blown away?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Is a fan?
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Has there been somebody that you met and you just
couldn't get over it, because, look, you come from a background,
you're busting your ass, you know, doing what you do
in the military before you end up writing these books.
Is there anybody that you were just in disbelief was
a reader or a big fan of your work?
Speaker 5 (31:41):
It's yeah. David Morell, who created Rambo.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
I can't believe that he's he actually gave me a
blurb when that blurb ends with I'm a fan. Just
that that one blew me away because discovering him through
Rambo First Blood Part two, a novelization which is a
book based on a screenplay in the Summer of Rambo
in nineteen eighty five, then going and reading First Blood,
then reading Brother for the Rose, for Turning the Stone,
League of Night and Fogg, and then having him one
(32:05):
of my heroes in the literary realm, read my books
and be a fan. That's a little crazy. And then
Charlie Sheen he was a fan of the books before
he even came on the podcast, and that was a
little bit crazy too, having grown up watching him in
these movies to include Navy Seals, No Very Cool.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Well, cry Havoc is the book. It's gonna be a
runaway bestseller. Get your copy today. Also check out I'm
mid series right now for dark Wolf. Highly recommend it
to all of you. Our friend Jack Carr as always,
congrats with all your success. Come back and hang out
with us anytime.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
Oh man, Thank you guys so much. Love what you're doing.
Stay strong, it's important.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
We'll do. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
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We have had an awesome week with all of you.
We hope that you have had an awesome week with
us and that you will have fantastic weekends. Buck, you
were back home for the first time in a very
(34:55):
long time. Do you have any spectacular weekend plans or
are you just gonna kick up the feat and chill
at your place.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I mean, I'm just it's gonna be pj's Jimmy Speed,
Ginger Spice and Wife.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
The all weekend.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Man.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
It's just just laying low. There's nothing better when you've
been away from home, so taking it easy. Maybe, you know,
cooking up some steaks. That's about all I got. Not
Polish sausage steaks.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Not having the roommate come over and give you a
Polish sausage instructions.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Not this time.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
What didn't Kerry think about the Polish sausage discussion.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Well, she knew about my She knew about my Chicago
based roommate and his culinary habits, so this was not
some big surprise to her.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I also had a.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Roommate who used to eat brie like like a wedge
of brie, the way that you'd eat pizza like. He
would just sit there and I thought this was He
was really skinny too, But imagine someone would hold like
a triangular slice of pizza, but he would.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Do that with brie. Oh, I'm just sit there eating it. Yeah,
that sounds absolutely awful. I'm going to watch a lot
of college football in NFL. I don't think that's going
to shock anybody. And I can't wait Monday, brocking we're back.
I mean, it should be a pretty awesome day because
hopefully those hostages are going to come back, and it
will be Trump will be in the Middle East and.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
We'll have a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Which team is number one in the country right now
ranked for college football play.
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So in my opinion, it should be Miami. But you've
got Ohio State, You've got Oregon. We got a bunch
of big games going on.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
So I'm going to be rooting for I'm not going
to watch, but I'll be rooting from afar from my
beloved Miami Hurricanes.
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All right, it's third hour of Play again buck last
hour before the weekend gets going, which is so excelling,
and let's just bring up to speed all the latest news. Yere,
Let's dive into it, shall we. First of all, the
government shutdown is still a thing. The government is still
shut down. And Speaker Johnson, who play while you were out,
(00:20):
he actually called into the show. So we spoke to
the Speaker of a House about this issue. But he
just weighed in earlier today and his take is that
Democrats know they're going to have to cave, but first
they have to go through the theatrics of perhaps some
rallies over this weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Here is the Speaker of the House cut thirty hit it.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
We're so angry about it. I mean, you know, I'm
a very patient guy, but I have had it with
these people. They're playing games with real people's lives. The
theory we have right now. They have a Hate America
rally that's scheduled for October eighteenth on the National Mall.
It's all the pro moss Wing and the you know,
the Antifa people, they're all coming out. Some of the
(01:04):
House Democrats are selling t shirts for the event and
it's it's being told to us that they won't be
able to reopen the government until after that rally because
they can't face their rabid base. I mean, this is
serious business, hurting real people, and I just I'm beyond words.
I can't believe they're actually doing.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
This, Democrats putting the politics of the moment ahead of
real people's interests. Clay not a surprise here at all,
and I think this is the first shutdown I can
remember where Democrats are getting rarely the blame from a
majority of Americans.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I don't think most Americans feel impacted by the shutdown
at all. I mean, the Trump Middle East peace agreement
and him traveling to the Middle East is going to
take over all of the news through the weekend. The
release of the hostages, hopefully, which will occur after two
years on Monday, will be an unbelievable moment in the
(02:02):
Middle East. Even for Trump's detractors, that will be an
event that is very difficult not to imagine it leading
news all through Monday. I just I feel like Democrats
are in a tough spot and the reality is it
seems like Trump's kind of calling their bluff and saying okay,
we're gonna start laying off primarily Democrat workers.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And they cause this.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
And they don't really seem to have a way to
fix it, and I just think it's going to drag
on for a long time until some of these senators
in swing states Michigan, New Hampshire, Georgia, Arizona, until they
start looking around and recognizing that their constituents are not
(02:49):
pleased over their decision making. Remember, there's nothing going on here.
This is unprecedented because the continuing resolution would just continue
to spend money as has already occurred. And I just
think they're in a really tough position. I don't know
how they get themselves out of this mess. And I
think the only reason Chuck Schumer let it happen is
(03:09):
because he's terrified of AOC And I think Hakeem Jefferies
is terrified over one of the Mom Donnie guys who
evidently is going to challenge him in his seat. And
I think radical left wing ideas have taken root because remember,
the leader of the House is a New Yorker, the
leader of the Senate for Democrats is a New Yorker,
(03:32):
and the left in New York City has lost its
mind they're going to elect a socialist a communists, it appears,
and that has taken over the entire Democrat Party. So
I think this is actually just a local political preservation
move that Hakeem, Jefferies and Schumer are engaged in.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Meanwhile, speaking of the radical left, Clay the White House
puts out this on X Make no mistake, Antifa is
a radical terrorist organization that explicitly calls for the overthrow
of the US government, law enforcement, and our system of law.
Under the Trump administration, Antifa's days are over, but noted
extremism expert Jimmy Kimmel, who still has a TV show.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Everybody, I guess the first amendments not dead.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Oh my gosh, Jimmy Kimmel was off the air for
two days. Here's Jimmy or was it three days? Whatever
it was, here's Jimmy Kimmel four days.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
To be fair, I think I don't want MSNBC fact
checking you on your lack of commitment to the truth
and decency.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Thank you, Clay's Clay's always got my back. Jimmy Kimmel
lying to his audience about Antifa. This is twenty four
hit it you understand.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
There's no Antina.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
This is an entirely imaginary organization.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
There is not an Antifa.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
This is no different than if they.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
Announced they rounded up a dozen Decepticons.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
We've captured the super Cobra.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Everyone.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I've read books about Antifa. I've seen Antifa personally. I've
never seen the Chupacabra though, so I think that Jimmy's
analysis here needs a little bit of work.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yeah, he's wrong, And I've seen Antifa too. I remember
when Antifa really kind of got its start.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Remember all the.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
World Bank protests that they used to have. I don't
think they care about the World Bank anymore. But my
recollection is this is where all of the crazy people
became crazy for the first time was related to the IMF.
Do you remember that when they decided the IMF was
uniquely evil? And I haven't heard about the IMF in
a very very long time, but when I was in college,
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the IMF is right next to George Washington University, and
they basically rioted in nineteen ninety nine or two thousand
or whatever it was. I remember walking through campus and
all these Antifa lunatics running around with spray paint cans
and throwing throwing molotov cocktail a little bit like it
(05:59):
wasn't as if it was the same level that we
saw during the BLM protest. But lots of graffiti, lots
of the spray lighting things on fire. Remember that back
in the day when people used to have I don't
know what it was, but they would spray something and
they'd have a lighter and it would kind of turn
into a blow torch or whatever. Yeah, a lot of
that going on. And yeah, so I don't understand the
(06:23):
argument being this thing that you're seeing happen is not real.
This is the typical way this goes, right, they say
that's not happening. Then they say, Okay, it happens, but
not very often. Then they go to, yeah, it's happening
and it's a good thing. So at some point they're
going to come back around to yes, Antifa exists, but
(06:44):
they're not very impactful, and eventually we're all going to
be told, yes, Antifa exists. Then they have to exist
because otherwise who would stand up to fascism? And that's
kind of the treadmill that we're on when it comes
to the way we talk about left wing violence in
the country.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Buck did we even talk about this.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Apologies if we didn't, but it may have been earlier
this week, you may have mentioned it. Everybody just totally
basically stopped talking about a guy who had two hundred
explosive devices and showed up outside of a church where
the Republican, the Republican appointed and confirmed Supreme Court justices
tend to go worship and he wanted to kill as
(07:21):
many people as he could. Thankfully, they caught him two
hundred incendiary devices in his car. Though that seems like
kind of a big deal, it just totally plays that story.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Before we know whether he should spend the rest of
his life in prison or not, we have to know
does he identify as trans? Yeah, that's important because if
you identify as trans, you get a very light sentence,
even if you're planning a political assassination.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
That was just established.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Based on the guy who said he wanted to kill
Brett Kavanaugh. Because now he says he's trends, It's like
whoa WHOA Hold on a second, I didn't know he
was trans. We can't put him in prison that long,
and we're going to put him in a women's prison.
That's what they're trying to do. I mean, I'm gonna
be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
I guess if you had to get sent to prison,
like if I ever faced multiple years in prison, I'm
gonna say I'm a chick too. It's probably a lot
safer in a girl's prison than it is a guy's prison.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Am I crazy? M much better deal for a guy.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
To be in a woman's prison, and a I would assume,
I would assume I don't have experience.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I feel like I'm gonna be safer in the showers,
let's put it that way, than I would in the
men's prison.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
So I do.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I'm not even necessarily surprised by the decision, but I mean,
in all seriousness, we just keep stacking all of these
left wing wounds one after the other, and they happen
so frequently that the stories vanish and they have no
residence whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
And it just reminds me of the Jan six. You know,
Jan six happens and.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
They talk about it four years and they refuse to
allow it to vanish. Meanwhile, there's an assassin outside of
Brett Kavanaugh's house who is trying to kill him to
ensure that Roe V. Wade is not overturned. We still
don't know who the leaker was worth mentioning that set
all of this in order and was designed to set
this in order right. That basically drew the big target
(09:06):
on the on the Supreme Court justices because it was
until the public, yes, it was inciting terrorism, it was
inciting releasing that decision was meant to incite violence and
perhaps an assassination of a Supreme Court justice to stop
that decision. Because Democrats told me, feel as many babies
as they want with no one stopping.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Them until the opinion is published. It is not law.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
So that was an unprecedented leak which never occurs. And
there's only fifty people probably that had significant access to
that opinion, and basically everybody just threw up their hands
and said, well, we'll never know. But that was the
impetus under which Brett Kavanaugh's assassination was attempted.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Jimmy Kimmel not finished, by the way, with his statements
about politics lately. Here he is, remember, he got in
trouble because he's said that Charlie Kirk's assassin was a
MAGA guy, which was a lie. It was preposterous. Now
Here he is saying that he didn't say anything wrong.
It was the way that people pounced on what he
(10:12):
said played twenty five.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
I didn't think there was a big problem.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
I you know, I just saw it as distortion on
the part of some of the right wing media networks,
and I was I aimed to correct it. I have
problems like all the time, and it's kind of funny
because sometimes you think, oh, this is not a problem,
and then it turns into a big problem. And then
sometimes it goes the other way where you think like, oh, oh,
(10:36):
this is gonna be a problem nobody really notices, and
so what point did you realize this was a problem.
I think when they pulled the show off the air, well,
that's unusual. He felt like their initial comments had been mischaracterized.
I didn't feel like it was playwhere it was intentionally
and I think maliciously mischaracterized.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
How was one mischaracterizing his words when what he said
was clearly false and malicious? That this is This is
where I wish somebody would ask, like, explain how that's
a mischaracter You said something that was clearly untrue, and
you didn't it wasn't part of a joke. By the way,
(11:18):
that's also a lie. He wasn't making a joke. He
was making a political statement. So now I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
The answer is. Yeah, I mean, I don't think there
is one.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I mean, look, I would just say we talk live
every single day, and so far, to my knowledge, we
haven't really had to apologize for anything. Now, we get
facts wrong unintentionally, we come back and we say, hey,
we saw that, we said this, but we never apologized
for an actual opinion. I don't think there was a mischaracterization. Now,
(11:51):
I do agree with him. That was I thought actually
kind of funny. When they took the show off. That's
when you know it's a bad thing. This is why
I'm anti cancel culture. Many of you who listened to
Rush know this. They will not stop coming after us
no matter what. They came after Rush with everything they had.
And I don't think that they're suddenly going to say, oh,
(12:16):
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think this is where you stand on principle. I understand
some people disagree and say, hey, live radio, live television,
whatever it is, this shouldn't be a cancel culture at all.
And I said that for Roseanne, I said that for
for Gina Carano. I think that if you're in creative space,
any comedian out there, you're sometimes going to speak inarticulately
(12:40):
and sometimes you're gonna say moronic things. And I think
as long as you are doing your best to to
to try to be creative in the space, I don't
think we should try to cancel people. But the words
weren't mischaracterized. They were poorly said, and they were they
were rightly condemned, I think by you when I saw
that he lied or or.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
He said something false because he's a moron. But either
way it's a bad thing to say. Living on blue sky,
the amount of left wingers who do not know basic
truths now and this is why I talk about the
cognitive dissonance. You've been told Trump's Hitler, and now he's
on the cover of Jerusalem Today or whatever it is
and is going to bring back all the terrorists. I mean,
(13:24):
at some point, the alarm bell should start going off
in your head. Hey, wait a minute, maybe the things
that I've been told by the media I follow are
not true. And I'm cautiously optimistic. Buck if you look,
for instance, at what's going on with the Washington Post,
that people like Jeff Bezos are starting to get fed
up with things, and there is a cultural shift that
(13:44):
is significant even in left wing publications.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Fingers crossed, you have more faith than I do. I'm
an optmorph. This is true, You're an optimist. I'm surly
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Wes, I mean, let's just going blue here at the
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By the way, good news, thank you les, very funny,
good news from the Nobel Peace Prize. Not that Trump
was left behind on this as he should have won,
but I thought this was great. This is Maria Corina Machado,
(16:37):
who won the Nobel Peace Prize, said, the recognition of
the struggle of all Venezuelans is a boost to conclude
our task to conquer freedom. We're on the threshold of victory,
and today, more than ever, we count on President Trump,
the people of the United States, the peoples of Latin America,
and the democratic nations of the world as our principal
allies to achieve freedom and democracy. I dedicate this prize
(17:00):
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for his decisive support of our cause. Buck, you have
got a ton of Venezuelans where you live, all over
Miami who have helped to flip Dade County red because they,
more than most understand the perils of socialism.
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I love my right wing Latinos. We just we're very sympatico,
you know. And whether it's my right wing Cubans or
my right wing Venezuelans or any of my Latino right
wing people, they understand because yeah, they've experienced, particularly in
those two countries, what happens when communism is just basically
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Ever, it's an earlier version of it, I should say,
it's the same thing.
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year at Peace Prize because of the situation in Israel
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Speaker 1 (18:53):
We're joined by Jackcarr. He is a former Navy seal
turned best selling author of The Terminal List books and
The Streaming Show, which is an excellent show. Highly How
do you recommend the books and the show? Usually, Jack,
you know you don't get both to be great, Like
you can write great books, but they don't do a
great show. You are in very rarefied air my friend
(19:15):
as somebody who has both great books and great show.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
Thank you, thank you so much. Yeah, both went to
number one on Prime Video, which is not that and
the first one that aired in twenty twenty two summer
of twenty twenty two hops back into that top five,
which is unusual as well, so after so many years.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
So that was pretty pretty cool.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
We'll find out in the next couple weeks if we
get a second season of Dark Wolf's looking good though.
Everybody wants to do it, so we shall see. And
then we just finished film and True Believer of the
second book over in Morocco and finished up there been
told me that since February in South Africa, Morocco and Toronto,
and that should come out next summer. So there's there's
a lot in the works.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I really appreciate.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
You know, when you're in the first episode, the first
episode of Dark Wolf, which obviously I saw recently, it
to me there's so much really good content that could
be done about that gwatt Era and special operations, but
really very few people have.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Done it or certainly done it well.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
And I think you just nailed it in the opening
episode of Dark Wolf. I'm also a Taylor Kitch and
Pratt are like two of my favorite actors. So how
did you manage? Did you get to pick?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Were you like? You know what?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I just want these two awesome guys to be playing
important roles in my series.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Well, Chris optioned out of the gate.
Speaker 8 (20:32):
He's the only person I wanted to option it and
play the character of James Reees. So he was my
pick and set from the beginning, and then the first
season I wasn't involved in the casting process. I was
involved in it for the second season and for Dark Wolf,
but first season I wasn't. So it was a not
a surprise, but I guess a surprise in the fact
that I didn't pick him. I didn't pick anybody because
(20:53):
I wasn't involved. But they said Taylor Kitch is playing
Ben Edwards, and I said, oh my gosh, that is
the best pick.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Have you got Riggins to play a navy Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Bock even recognizes the start from Friday Night Lights.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, Jack, And so that's an incredible combo.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
What is it like to balance writing obligations with making
television show obligations? Because I imagine you're on the road
all the time. You're promoting the book, the books all
the time, but you have to continue to produce new books.
How do you balance it all out? Do you have
a set, regimented schedule. There's a lot of people out
there in creative space, I bet that are curious how
(21:32):
you balance all of that.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Yes, well, balance is a bit of a misnomer. I
hope to get to some balance one day. But there's
a reason we're talking here in October and not in
June when the book was supposed to come out, and
that is because I was juggling so much with both
the TV show, two TV shows, essentially Dark Wolf and
True Believer, and writing this book that I thought was
going to be the most efficiently written book yet, meaning
(21:57):
I thought I had a good understanding of Vietnam, lessons
learned from Vietnam, the sixties, overall the feel of that
period of time. And then I dove into the research
for this book Cry Havoc, and I'm on book tour
four right now, and I realized I'd really just scratched
the surface, because every sentence in this book has to
be written through the lens of nineteen sixty eight. I
didn't want to have fifty plus years of hindsight applied
(22:20):
to any character's perspective on an event, a situation, or
part of a conversation. So that took a lot longer
than research for a contemporary thriller.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
And that's why we're here in.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
October point being the balance thing is something I am
still working on. Every morning I get up and it's
like being shot out of a cannon with kids, wife,
dog and all the rest of it.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
So it's just mass chaos.
Speaker 8 (22:41):
But I feel extremely fortunate to be working on multiple
Hollywood projects, multiple books, and to have Cry Havoc out there,
which I think is my best book yet.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Ooh, let's saying something.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
And you know, my father in law is a huge fan,
huge fan of the series.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
I know, I think I said it one I didn't directed.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
By that nod, thank you for that. And he reads
it like within you know, days of getting it, so
he's always very up to speed on it. I want
to ask you. The one thing that we get here
a lot, especially when I see people in person, Jack,
is they'll say, you know, I'm thinking about doing a podcast,
like do you have any advice? And I'll you know,
(23:19):
and we really do a radio show that's also a podcast.
But I just say, yeah, here's my advice. Do it,
and just start doing it, and just do it a lot,
and then go What if someone comes up to you
and says, you know, hey, man, like you you really,
you know, you're the Tom Clancy of our era, Like
you've become this huge phenomenon, so much success in writing.
How do I start to write a fiction book? In
(23:41):
the most general terms, what do you say to them?
Speaker 8 (23:44):
I say, don't worry about anything else but writing that book, meaning,
don't worry about Do I need to find an agent.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
Do I need to find a publisher?
Speaker 8 (23:51):
How does that happen? Do I need a social media presence?
Do I need to build that up in order to
sell books? I need to get a website going? When
need you to start? No, all of that bandwidth is
now bandwidth. It is not going into making that product,
in this case, a book, the best that it can
possibly be. So focus those efforts on making this book
the best it can possibly be. And then once it's done,
or you get it to a place where you think, hey,
(24:12):
if I worked on this for the next five to
ten years, it would get better, but it would get
better by a degree or two. And when you're at
that stage, then it's time to start thinking about those
other things, thinking about having to find an agent and
a publisher and all the rest of it. But the
first thing you have to do is have that product that.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I got one follow up question for you, Jack, and sorry,
I may or may not be taking notes here, because
I think writing a fiction book.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Would be fun.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Do you structure the whole thing out or do you
start writing based on the story you want to tell
and then create structure after you've gotten a chapter out
or something.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
Yeah, I have the same exact process from the entire time,
and it's not based on anything that I read or
anyone's advice. It was just what I thought was common sense.
And I come up with the title and a theme
for every book. And I've come up with a title,
even if it's going to change, wasting bandwidth, worried about
coming up with a good title, So I do that
I have a theme that's going to guide the writing process.
In the case of the first book, it was Revenge
(25:08):
without Constraint, and I had that on a little yellow
sticky on my computer as I typed away, just to
keep me on track. Then I read a one page
executive summary, and I read it and I say, is
this worth the next year to the year and a
half of my life?
Speaker 5 (25:19):
And if the answer is.
Speaker 8 (25:20):
Yes, I read it again and I say, if someone
was to walk by a Hudson News at the airport
and pull this book off the shelf and read something
similar to this that describes the book, would they be
willing to invest time in this story that they're never
going to get back? And if the answer is yes
or most likely, then that's my project. That's the next book.
And I take that one page executive summary, turn that
into the outline so I know where I'm going. So
(25:41):
I have that beginning of that middle of that end,
a few scenes that are going to happen along the way,
and I at least have a destination. And if there's
some things in that out line where I'm like, ah close,
are you ever going to get out of this situation?
Or well, I know I have a year to figure
it out.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
This isn't the.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
Battlefield in a rack at Afghanistan where I have to
make a split second decision that's going to affect people
to my.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Right and left forever families. Now I have time.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
I can sleep on or I can wake up, I
can edit, and in a year, I am confident that
I'm creative enough that I can figure this out. So
get that to that stage, and then I turn that
outline into the narrative.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
We're talking to jackcar cry Havoc is the latest and
best book that Jack Carr has ever written. According to
Jackcarr himself, I love those answers, by the way, and
I would encourage people out there to take that advice
and pursue your own writing desires.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
The world is evolving and there's so much crazy happening
every day. You write out those plot points, and do
you ever think, boy, there's no way anything like this
could happen. And then there's a plot point that is
very similar to what you have thought about before. And
to your point, you spend a year writing, but it
can end up looking very timely. How much do you
(26:50):
pay attention to current events? Buck just came back from Taiwan,
for instance. I'm not giving you ideas. You probably haven't
thought about a lot, but you know you can kind
of think of where the geopolitical flash points might be.
Are you conscious of that? Are you thinking about it?
As you're writing, or are you trying to divorce yourself
from the current world in which you sit.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
I'm always ever since I was little kid, I'm always
interested in in currents, current events, also history, the merging
of those two. What lessons we can draw from history
and apply to the problem sets of the present as wisdom.
But I'm not thinking about I need to grab something
from the headlines or I need to project into the future.
It happens naturally. I'm very aware of what's going on
(27:31):
around the world. That's just where my interests lie then,
but I'm not obsessed with trying to fit it into
a story. Instead, I am focused only on the story.
And if I'm only focused on this story without worrying
about the current event or a headline, or if I'm
going to upset somebody with if I say X, Y
or Z or hey, are short chapters better than the
(27:52):
long chapters?
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Now, I don't consider any of that.
Speaker 8 (27:55):
I just focus on the story, and in doing so,
I honor I think the readership and the listnership now
that is going to spend time with me that they're
never getting back, So I focus on that. But things
have happened that I've written about that I didn't. It
looks like I'm projecting something like the Russian invasian Ukraine,
But that was not a hard one. That was that
came out in twenty nineteen. That's the one we filmed
(28:16):
True Believer that we just finished up, and that storyline
had to change a little bit because the Russians actually
did invade Ukraine. So there's been that I talked about
an AI quantum computer well before anyone had heard of
chat GPT. There are certain things like that that have
come up in the novels. October seventh, something similar to
that I wrote about in Israel not too long ago
(28:38):
before it happened. So some of these things look like
I'm projecting I have a crystal ball, but I certainly
do not. They are just they just happened to correspond
with some current events. But I do like to weave
a lot of things that are our topical into the storylines,
because at one day people are going to go back
maybe and read these and it'll be like that time machine.
It's me going back and reading Hunt for Red October.
(29:01):
Now that's a time machine in nineteen eighty four. And
so I do I am talking to some of that.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You think Tom Clancy is the biggest inspiration you had.
Who would you say, as a writer for what you're doing,
if you had to pick one author would be the
biggest thing.
Speaker 8 (29:16):
I picked one because I read so many growing up
and they're all part of my foundation. So it's certainly Clancy.
It's David Morrell. It's Nelson de Mill, It's A. J.
Quinnelli's J. C. Pollock, It's Mark Olden, It's Louis Lamore,
It's JOHONN.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Caray.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
It's Ian Fleming, It's Robert Ludlumit's all of those masters
that I read from the eighties all the way through
the nineties and continue to read today. David Morrell, who
created Rambo in nineteen seventy two with First Blood, kicked
off this book tour with me in Phoenix just a
few days ago. Such an honor to be on stage
with him. And all of those guys were so instrumental
during those very formative time in my life, let's say
(29:50):
for most of us age ten to twenty, and during
that time I am reading all those masters, and they're
really becoming my professors in the art of storytelling. But
back then I didn't look at it that way. I
just looked at it as escaping into the magic of
those pages. But it created this foundation that I then
coupled with the academic study of warfare and my experiences
down range in Iraq and Afghanistan, so I can bring
the feelings and emotions behind certain events that I was
(30:12):
involved with.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
All Right, all right, Jack, Jack, you're a best selling author,
you're an America page, You're a fantastic guy. You're being
far too diplomatic and humble, though, so I want to
put you on the hot seat with three best war
movies of all time. Then you don't have to give
it your author number one, but the three best war
movies for you are what all right.
Speaker 8 (30:31):
Band of Brothers, even though it's a series, I think it,
you know, keep that one to the side, but it's
a series.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
But that is certainly up there.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
I was just actually, right before we came on here,
I had to wrap up a podcast with Charlie Sheen
and we were talking, oh wow, tune. Yeah, we're talking
about Platoon and his experience on set with Apocalypse Now
when he was like nine or ten years old with
his dad. Because my book is probably having nineteen seventy eight,
and so we're talking about that and his experiences on
set with Marlon Brando and Dennis Hopper and Robert Duval
(31:00):
and just just a fascinating conversation with him. So I
would say band of brothers. I would throw a platoon
in there, for sure. I love Uncommon Valor. For those
who have remember that one Apopulypse now longest day.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Those ones really stand out to me.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Last question for you as we go to break here,
I've got one here who is a guy or gal
who has read your book that you were blown away?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Is a fan?
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Has there been somebody that you met and you just
couldn't get over it, because, look, you come from a background,
you're busting your ass, you know, doing what you do
in the military before you end up writing these books.
Is there anybody that you were just in disbelief was
a reader or a big fan of your work?
Speaker 5 (31:41):
It's yeah. David Morell, who created Rambo.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
I can't believe that he's he actually gave me a
blurb when that blurb ends with I'm a fan. Just
that that one blew me away because discovering him through
Rambo First Blood Part two, a novelization which is a
book based on a screenplay in the Summer of Rambo
in nineteen eighty five, then going and reading First Blood,
then reading Brother for the Rose, for Turning the Stone,
League of Night and Fogg, and then having him one
(32:05):
of my heroes in the literary realm, read my books
and be a fan. That's a little crazy. And then
Charlie Sheen he was a fan of the books before
he even came on the podcast, and that was a
little bit crazy too, having grown up watching him in
these movies to include Navy Seals, No Very Cool.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Well, cry Havoc is the book. It's gonna be a
runaway bestseller. Get your copy today. Also check out I'm
mid series right now for dark Wolf. Highly recommend it
to all of you. Our friend Jack Carr as always,
congrats with all your success. Come back and hang out
with us anytime.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
Oh man, Thank you guys so much. Love what you're doing.
Stay strong, it's important.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
We'll do. Thank you.
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were back home for the first time in a very
(34:55):
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I mean, I'm just it's gonna be pj's Jimmy Speed,
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The all weekend.
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It's just just laying low. There's nothing better when you've
been away from home, so taking it easy. Maybe, you know,
cooking up some steaks. That's about all I got. Not
Polish sausage steaks.
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Not this time.
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Well, she knew about my She knew about my Chicago
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some big surprise to her.
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Roommate who used to eat brie like like a wedge
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would just sit there and I thought this was He
was really skinny too, But imagine someone would hold like
a triangular slice of pizza, but he would.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Do that with brie. Oh, I'm just sit there eating it. Yeah,
that sounds absolutely awful. I'm going to watch a lot
of college football in NFL. I don't think that's going
to shock anybody. And I can't wait Monday, brocking we're back.
I mean, it should be a pretty awesome day because
hopefully those hostages are going to come back, and it
will be Trump will be in the Middle East and.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
We'll have a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Which team is number one in the country right now
ranked for college football play.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
So in my opinion, it should be Miami. But you've
got Ohio State, You've got Oregon. We got a bunch
of big games going on.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
So I'm going to be rooting for I'm not going
to watch, but I'll be rooting from afar from my
beloved Miami Hurricanes.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Right the rest that is correct.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
It is the Hurricanes and they have been stellar so
far this season. They are the state champions, as Governor
Ron DeSantis proclaimed them, because they've beaten South Florida, Florida State,
and Florida, among others. It should be an awesome weekend.
Get those prize picks in. We love you guys. See
them Monday
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