January 16, 2025 • 36 mins
Daniel Penny back on the subway. Trump changed his opinion and agrees with Buck. ESPN apologizes for not playing the anthem. We’re winning the culture battles. The silent majority stands up. Trans issue was a tipping point. Poll: Trump is the most popular than he’s ever been.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Several different
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(00:21):
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have a lot of enjoyment from all of it. I'm
gonna talk a bit buck about Kamala being upset at
Joe Biden for saying he would have won the election
according to The Wall Street Journal. That a report also
(00:43):
New Washington Post slogan as we talked about democracy dies
in darkness, maybe on its way out. Daniel Penny back
on the subways. I want to get bucks take as
a New Yorker on Penny just going right back to
the subways after they tried to put him in prison
for committing a negligent homicide. Basically is the standard that
they tried to prosecute him under. We'll talk about that
(01:05):
we're getting fan mail we've been talking about TikTok, and
by fan mail, I mean people who believe that you
and I are morons. And so let's go ahead and
hear here's Dan who has emailed this.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Dan says, I'm shocked you support keeping TikTok so kids
aren't devastated with the loss and Trump's investment may suffer.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
What about national security?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Don't you find it difficult to have to build stories
constantly that match what Trump wants you to say? Who
cares how much people like TikTok? National security is the
top priority? Unbelievable. If Trump was against TikTok, your story
would be on the other side. So predictable. Now, let
me tee this up for you.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
You have actually, when no one else was defending TikTok,
you and like what's the guy's name, Jamal Bowman were
like the only people in America saying I don't want
to see TikTok band.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
The only people, the only people on the right that
we're raising any questions about it were yours, truly, Senator
rand Paul A little bit just because of the government
overreach component of just saying we're going to kill a
company because we think there's some theoretical national security risks
to it. Yeah, I mean, the gentleman can write in
whatever he likes and that's fine. But to say that
(02:18):
I've changed my tune on that's just contrafactual. I have
been pro TikTok when nobody I mean, I say pro TikTok,
keeping it alive, not shutting it down thinking that it's
overblown the national security risk. Nobody was agreeing with me,
and now Trump agrees with me. That's different. That's not
me agreeing with Trump.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Trump actually has changed his opinion to agree with Buck,
not us. And what I would say about myself. First
of all, there's lots of things that I disagree with
Trump on. I mean, you should disagree with any political
leader on lots of different issues. I think Trump's right
on almost everything, but there are three or four things
I would change if I were president. My perspective has
been pretty much the same. It's not as as much
(02:57):
as Buck's defense of TikTok. I have said I think
TikTok should be forced to be sold to an American owner,
and that I would be troubled in the same way
by China owning a Chinese individual or company owning the
Wall Street Journal, Fox News, any American media company, to
me should not be owned by a Chinese entity. So
(03:20):
I want an American or an American company to own TikTok.
So I appreciate Dan listening and believing that we are
encouraging the destruction of America with our perspectives on TikTok.
I actually think it's a super fascinating question. A lot
of you, we opened up phone lines, a lot of
you have a variety of perspectives. I was alongside a
Buck kind of impressed by how many of you are
(03:43):
big fans of TikTok and we are we are going
to have going forward tomorrow ran Paul on. We'll get
the latest on TikTok from him as it continues to
come down the pike, and you guys can call in
eight hundred and two to two eight A two and
we may well take some more of calls on TikTok today.
Appreciate I think his name was Dan being such a
(04:04):
big fan. In sending an email now Buck, we talked
about ESPN's decision not to air the Moment of Silence
for the terror attacks, and in New Orleans after the
Sugar Bowl and not to air the national anthem. We
played it all for you. The USA chance called out ESPN.
(04:24):
ESPN claimed that they had a timing issue. They have
been getting ripped to the high heavens such that I
don't know if you saw this, buck they actually aired
for the first time I've ever seen the pregame prayer
on nationwide ESPN. They have not missed the national anthem since,
which was a default acknowledgment that they had screwed up.
(04:45):
Now on a podcast, the executive Bert Magnus, who oversees ESPN,
has apologized, says it was a terrible mistake and a
horrible error not to air the national anthem and moment
of silence. I wanted to play this because I do
think it's significant of the voice out there from all
(05:06):
of you and how you can hold people accountable and
helped to make sports something that unites everybody instead of
being divisive.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Listen to this. I know there's a little bit of
controversy regarding you guys not covering the anthem in New
Orleans for the game. Can you speak about that.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
There's a group of people in Bristol who just made
an enormous mistake. It was a human error. It happens.
I don't want to minimize it by any stretch. But
as you noted, like nothing was normal about that next day,
including our programming lineup where we normally would have had
college game day and that crew leading into the game.
(05:43):
It wasn't that it was Sports Center, which is done
out of Bristol instead of and SID. It was just
a mistake that, you know, that we feel terrible about
and by the way, we should be held to account for.
Right like, we want to be as good as we
can possibly be at all times, and even though it
was not a normal situation. You know, our traffic got
fouled up, our timing got fouled up, we happened to
(06:04):
you know, to be in commercial break when the anthem happened.
It was just not good by any measuring stick and
not up to our standards.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Do you buy play that it was a foul up
more of an oversight that they're taking responsibility for, or
was this a decision that was made that now they're
trying to soft pedal as oh it was. You know,
this is like when someone says I misspoke, it's like, well,
if you read something off a.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Prompter, and you read it and you said it you didn't,
that's not misspeaking. Was this a you know what I mean?
I said at the time. There's only two explanations. It's
either a as they said, what did they say? A
enormous mistake and a horrible error, or it's intentional. Here's
what I would say, Buck, that can tell that's two options.
(06:55):
I think they're also somewhat connected because it goes to culture.
If you make horrible errors or enormous mistakes, if your
culture is strong, somebody should have stood up and said, hey,
there was a terror attack in New Orleans yesterday.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
We've got to make sure.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
That we have the moment of silence and that we
carry the national anthem because it's a moment of national healing.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
And it's also a.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Significant story how New Orleans responds to a terror attack
the day after you know there's not any It takes
a certain degree of bravery to be among sixty thousand
people who show up to watch a big event right
after they were having Bomb's planet in Bourbon Street. So
the resilience of the American spirit is to me the
(07:44):
best and most important story the game. Itself. Look, congratulations,
Notre Dame won it. But I think a lot of
people will remember the spirit of New Orleans. But ESPN
fouled it up. So I think it goes to culture,
regardless of direct intent, that it could be allowed to
happen is a failure enormously of culture.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Now, we've been.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Talking about the trajectory of social media platforms, news media,
Washington Posts and others, and the massive vibe shift that
is occurring toward the right toward Trump. Is this happening
in sports media as well? Or is sports media lagging
even this wave of sanity that feels like it is
(08:27):
finally washing across the country.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I think we're winning. And that's why I think again.
I understand, we'll get emails every day, we get vip emails.
You can't trust Zuckerberg, can't trust Bezos. I understand that argument.
But what I am seeing is I don't think ESPN
would have come out and made this public acknowledgment. Remember
they tried to initially blame timing error. Now suddenly they're saying, actually,
(08:52):
we screwed up, and not only do we screw up,
we should be held to account for it. Like, hey,
you Clay Travis and Buck Sexton were right to call
us out for it. You, Clay Travis and other OutKick writers.
Bobby Barack is most established on writing this story. For instance,
at OutKick dot com. We're winning the culture battles. And
(09:15):
the fact that ESPN is admitting this and was asked
about it, I think is evidence that they recognize that.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
And where does that come from? Buck?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
It comes from overwhelming majorities of the American public saying
that's wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
You screwed this up. You should own it.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
And again, I think the silent majority, which oftentimes had
been on the sideline saying, eh, I might not like this,
but I don't really want to speak out because I'm
worried about what a lot of people are over it,
and they're like, screw it. I'm going to tell you
exactly what I think. And I think that's what Trump,
whether you like him or not bull in a China
(09:53):
Shop style, has created, is the Overton window for what
many people feel comfortable debate eating publicly has expanded, and
I think that's actually incredibly beneficial to the American public.
Regardless of what you want to argue in favor of well,
I mean, I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I think there was a time when if you had
called Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas in a public forum, you know,
especially if you worked at a place like ESPN, you
might have gotten in a lot of trouble. Guess what,
when the President of the United States.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Does it, it makes.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
It a lot harder for someone to say, well, you
can't say it if the actual sitting president says it.
I mean, I agree with your fundamental point, which is
that Trump has been saying things for a long time
now that allow people to say more of the same,
and there's a force multiplier effect that comes from all
of that. But I would wonder on the sports media
(10:46):
side of things, because I think that the trans stuff
in this election was potent, meaning, yes, the Democrats playing
this game of men can become women. You know, this
man should be able to play in women's sports. All
this stuff you have to use the preferred pronoun, you
have to this blew up in their faces and they
(11:08):
couldn't do what they normally do, which is support all
that stuff and.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Then be like why do you care? Why are you
talking about it? What did you guys?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Text this morning is among many things as we're prepping
there's a dude playing in San Francisco on the girls
high school basketball team who scored twenty nine points. And
we wrote about this at out Kick. And this is
not a super talented boys basketball player, right. If you
watch this guy running up and down the court, you're
(11:35):
not like, oh man, that's Kobe Bryant out there, or
even that's a good high school boys basketball player. And
he is dominating in San Francisco girls basketball because he
identifies as a girl. I think overwhelmingly people are like,
this is I want to curse, but this is bonkers,
(11:58):
this is insane. And you know what happened though, Buck
Only two Democrats voted in favor of a bill this week.
Every Republican supported it. All it did was say you
should if your school's receiving federal funds, there shouldn't be
boys who are allowed to compete in girl sports. Only
two Democrats voted against it. I think they are basically
(12:22):
committed to going down Titanic style with the ship on
this issue as it rapidly is becoming.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
An eighty twenty.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Unless you're just a crazy person, you're like, there's no
who are you talking about? A boy decides to identify
as a girl and plays on girl sports.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Like this is.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
They used to make movies mocking it back at remember
Juwana Man, Like they used to make movies mocking the
idea of a guy identifying as a woman and dominating.
Now it's actually reality at high schools and colleges, Like
I can't believe still.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
That this is the reality of where we are. Agree.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
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Speaker 3 (14:18):
Welcome back in Clay and Buck here and just a little,
a nice little momentum boost, not that I think one
is particularly needed right now for Trump going into the inauguration.
It's going to be uh this Monday. I can't believe
how quickly it's coming up. Fox News poll Trump is
the most popular he's ever been. Fifty two percent approve
(14:40):
of Trump's handling of the transition, forty six percent disapprove.
This is a reversal from twenty seventeen by a thirteen
point margin. More voters view Trump's victory as a referendum
on President Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris policies than
a validation of Trump's seventy one percent of yeah okay, yeah, yeah, YadA,
(15:02):
YadA YadA, fifty two percent approve of the handling of this.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
So Trump is, in.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
All respects Clay in the most powerful political position he
has ever been in. I think that's pretty clear right now,
which given what they threw against him, and given that
he had a bullet shot through his ear by a
would be assassin, and it's it's the most amazing story
in politics in our lifetime, I think, without question.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Well, and I think there are a lot of Democrats
slowly coming to grips with boy. It would have been
a lot better if we had just let Trump win
in twenty twenty because the House would have been in
Democrat control. Senate still up in the air because of
the runoffs in Georgia. But Trump's political power, not only
as approval buck, but his political power at the start
(15:52):
of twenty twenty five is the most substantial in his
entire political career. So they have tried to destroy guy,
put him in prison for the rest of his life,
kill him, and instead, come January twenty ath when he
raises his right hand and gets sworn in. We are
headed into an era of Trump's ability to change and
(16:13):
impact and reorient more in his first year than he's
ever had the ability to do in his entire political career,
Which is why this whole thing about Joe Biden's legacy.
Joe Biden arguably made Trump stronger than he had ever
been before because of his incompetence. And I think Democrats
(16:36):
right now are slowly recognizing this, and I don't even
know what they're thinking. They've got to now deal with
Trump until twenty twenty nine, bucks to say nothing of
what happens in November of twenty eight when Republicans, if
they do a decent job, will be in very good
shape to continue to hold political power. But my goodness,
I mean, you're talking about an unburdened, unopposed, unobstructed Trump
(17:00):
on a level we've never seen before. Where remember remember
how controversial build the Wall was. Now sixty percent of
Americans won a wall built. I mean, Trump has persuaded
huge majorities.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Kamala was talking about building a wall, which I still
honestly is still one of the parts of this that
gets the more less attention than it should. That's just
how crazy that was. For while I was like, yeah,
maybe a wall is not a bad idea. After all,
the wall was such a huge lightning rod politically.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
It was racist to say we should build a wall
in twenty sixteen. Now Democrats, to your point, Buck are like,
you know, law kind of makes a lot of sense.
The change in perspective. Again, this goes to people being
cowards and just following the majorities. You the American public,
decide where your politicians go, and they often run scurrying
(17:49):
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a better place. That's the reality of politics in America.
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Speaker 1 (18:58):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We're rolling through the
Thursday edition of the program. I tease this a bit earlier, Buck,
there is a photo that has gone very viral of
Daniel Penny, now acquitted, not guilty of doing anything inappropriate
(19:20):
in choking the individual who was on the subway making threats.
That person ends up dying. Daniel Penny charged with basically
involuntary manslaughter. He now is back on the subway riding
it solo. So question for you, Buck, lifelong New York
City resident. I give credit to Daniel Penny for the
(19:43):
bravery just to be right back on the subway solo.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I think.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I said, I shared the photo and said, he's like Batman.
Every Batman movie they decide, you know that, there's the
trajectory same thing with Spider Man, where the city of
New York basically decides, oh, we don't need Batman anymore,
we don't need Spider Man. They become a bad guy
and they have to redeem themselves, sort of on their
hero arc. Would you be riding the subway if you
(20:08):
were Daniel Penny? My answer, I would be straight uber
or straight walking, I think for the rest of my life.
But I'm impressed by this guy's bravery that he's right
back to his normal life riding the subway.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
The Batman of the rails.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Well, I think that if we just take a step
back and consider what happened when somebody was threatening on
the subway before, in many ways, I think it's quite
unlikely someone is going to try to cause a problem
for him on the subway. I think that most average
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New Yorkers, especially now that the trial is in, the
verdict is in, I think they feel even more comfortable
with this is a case of somebody who is stepping
in in a city that wanted people to start to
step in more. I always think it's worth noting that
Jordan Neely, who was the man who died while you
(21:07):
know in the exchange with Daniel Penny, had violently assaulted
and seriously violently assaulted people on the subway numerous times
in the past. Yes, so it's not like he wasn't
someone who had committed violence, was a danger to those
around him, and continued to be He was menacing the
subway and people grow very tired of had grown very
(21:28):
tired of that. So I will I will say that
this case was the outcome was a kind of a
pleasant surprise to me. I was worried that given the
way that they had structured the charges, that they'd set
up the charges, it was well, well, it's not that
he stepped in, it's that he held them for too long. Well,
when they when they looked at this and they looked
(21:49):
into it more. The guy also had health issues that
came into the situation. He was a schizophrenic, I believe,
so he's you know, there's there's psychological and pulmonary issues
that come that come together that create greater risks. I
think that people in New York City, and I was
one of them for a long time. The health and
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safety of the subway as a system, and the sense
that people have that they can go on the subway
at any time and they'll be safe, is really used
as a litmus test for how the city is doing overall,
because for a lot of people, and this is I said,
this is different than in la and even in San Francisco,
where a lot of the rich people live in certain
areas they never really venture into, like the Tenderloin district
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or some of the more downtown, sketchier parts of San Francisco.
In New York, if you want to get from way
downtown to you know, the Upper east Side, you can
either take the subway, or you can sit in a
car for an hour and twenty minutes and pay a
whole bunch of money. I mean, you know, you can
just sit in traffic, just grind away. So the subway
(22:57):
is the proxy for how these that he is actually doing.
And people had had enough, and obviously that was shown
by the jury verdict here. So no, I don't think.
I don't think anyone's gonna bother Daniel Penny. Really, I
would find that very because if anyone did, I'll tell
you there's if someone stepped forward and said, Daniel Penny,
you know, how dare you show your face he or something,
(23:17):
there'll be other people on that subway who say, you know,
he's a.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Hero, you leave him alone.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I guess my thing on it is.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Remember when I think it was I can't remember the
girl's name who got her arm bitten off the surfer
by the shark, and then she continued to be a surfer.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I'm wondering how you're gonna stick the landing on this one,
But yeah, I'm gonna stick the landing.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
You're ready.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
So to me, if I ever got attacked by a shark,
the emotional trauma that I would feel going back into
the ocean would be so immense that I don't think
I would ever surf again. I don't think I would
ever go into the into the ocean again. The mental
bravery from her doing that to me somewhat akin to
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Daniel Penny, whatever you think about his behavior.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Except Clay, it's a little bit like if she ripped
the dorsal fin off the shark or something.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You know what I'm saying. I mean, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
The mental trauma of being put like you talk about,
and I do think it's true. The process is the punishment.
Oh yeah, the mental trauma relating to being charged with
negligent homicide, all of the work that you would have
to do, sitting at that table every day, looking at
that jury, the fact that they were going to try
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to put you in prison for years for something that
you think you were justified to have done. I give
credit in the same way that I would to the surfer,
but also to Daniel Penny. I think they're mentally tougher
than me. I don't think that I would be able
to go on the subway without thinking constantly in a flashback,
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oh what if something like this happens again. Now there's
also the element of, hey, you're right. People might recognize
him some, but he might try to do something to
him because he's famous that a little bit. I just
I don't think I would go back in the subway.
And I give credit immensely to him, because it is
an incredible amount to me of mental toughness to just
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be like, hey, I did what I think is right,
and now I'm going to go right back to my
normal life. And if that situation arises again. Guess what,
I'm going to do it again because I know I
didn't do anything wrong. I think it's an incredible credit
to him.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I also think that the people who don't want someone
like a Daniel Penny to step in are among those
who are the least likely to.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Try to bring it face out there that are on
social media in general. The guy who says if I
ever see you, I'm going to kick your ass either
pretends he doesn't see you in real life or ask
for a photo. That's been my experience, like the chirpers
on social media are typically not the people that are
likely to do anything. By the way, Bethany Hamilton, according
(25:58):
to the staff, I was gonna say Bethany Frankel, and
then I was like, no, I think she was a
real housewife, very different Bethany. But Bethany Hamilton, she was thirteen,
arm got, She's a great surfer, and her arm got.
She had attacked, she lost an arm, and she went
right back into the surf. And to me, that is
an incredible amount of mental toughness to have something awful
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happened to you and come through it on the other
side and say I'm going to continue to live my
life the same way I was before. Is I think
an agree of mental toughness that not very many people
out there are capable of.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I don't know that I am. I will tell you.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I had a friend recently told me at a at
an event he had been scuba diving over over five
hundred dives. He's a big scuba diver. And I said,
you know, what's the craziest thing you've ever seen? And
he actually witnessed a fatal shark attack, he told me
underwater and it's in the shark attack file. He told
me the whole story, which is quite a story. But
(26:58):
the thing about it that was other than just the
sort of shock and horror of hearing that somebody actually
saw that happen to someone.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I was like, and you keep scooba diving.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
He's like, yeah, of course, He's like, you know, it's
a bad luck. It's like getting struck by lightning. I'm
just like, I don't know, buddy, Like a big tiger
shark came and took somebody not far from me, Like
I think I would have had enough on that one.
But then again, I agree with you. Mostly went at
the beach. I'm I'm an up to my knees guy.
For the most part, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I like to go up the knees level.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Maybe I'll sah around in the face, I'll go out
pretty far. But I'll tell you this. Here's another example.
You know, didn't two people just survive that Korean Airlines
flight that crashed and everybody else was killed.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
On the plane?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, which they were in the very back they were
flight attendants. If I'm not mistaken, like literally the very
back of the plane they survived, I certainly wouldn't continue
to work as a flight attendant. I don't know how
long it would take me to get back on an airplane.
I understand the probability is very low of something bad
happening to you in that context, But the mental toughness
(27:57):
you would have to have to walk around right back
onto an airplane after you were one of two people
that survived an awful crashing landing like that, I just
think it's a I think it's an incredible testament to
Daniel Penny. And you know, Buck, speaking of Daniel Penny, yesterday,
I met a guy who was a lifelong New Yorker
and he said, in twenty nineteen he moved. He lives
(28:19):
in my neighborhood now, he said. His wife said, I
don't feel safe riding the subway anymore. We've got to
get out of New York City. And I think it
kind of ties in with sort of the cultural vibe
and shift, and I think there are a lot of
people out there that have had those experiences and they're
just the straw that broke the camel's back. They're like,
(28:39):
I can't do this anymore. I'm leaving. I'm going somewhere safer,
I'm going somewhere where I feel more welcome.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Look, my mom is a petit woman and she used
to ride the subway all the time and for the
last you know, seven or eight years or so, and
I have to ask her when she'd really say she
started to feel this. But really, the de Blasio Yeah
Blasia administration doesn't feel safe in the subway anymore. It
has to avoid it, you know, as tries to absolutely
(29:06):
avoid it. And that's just like I said that as
an indicator, and it was an indicator when the city
was really bad back in the in the late eight
in the late eighties, the early nineties was actually when
the city was by the numbers and it's absolute worse
ninety one, ninety two, nineteen ninety ninety one, ninety two,
and the subways were covered in graffiti. Member, you would
(29:27):
see these old images and movies too of like these
subway cars all covered in graffiti and there was scratch
graffiti and all of the windows and there were just
these marauding bands of you know, hoodlums who would rob people.
And you know, it's a lot of this stuff too,
doesn't even ever get reported. That's another part of this
or it doesn't get treated as a big deal. But
(29:49):
I mean, imagine you're on the subway and you know,
perhaps even you're an elderly person and someone comes up
and you know, starts threatening you, cursing at you men
you know men is you?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Essentially?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
You know, that's psychologically really damaging when you're just trying
to get from one place to another. And so many
people have those stories.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I mean, that's it.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah, you know, not everybody's gonna have a story where
they've been physically assaulted, but have you had a crazy
person spittle in your face while he's saying, you know,
I'm gonna do something insane and like you're lucky I'm
not going to do this to you or whatever. Most
people who ride the subway in New York City, I
have those stories. Most people ride the subway in New
York have those stories.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
The last time I went to New York with Laura,
my wife, I told her absolutely no uncertain terms. You
don't ride the subway, like even if you have to
take longer, get into an uber walk wherever you go.
And I feel like many people out there, if they
don't live in New York City, have had this experience
in whatever community you live in. The test that I
always put in play is do you feel do you
(30:49):
feel comfortable with your wife, girlfriend, daughter, somebody who's relatively
young jogging in the neighborhood by themselves. I feel like
that's a really good test of it. Neighborhood and all night, right,
I mean at night, I think is the real real test.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
That's when you really know.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Like right around you know, like people come home from
work right and it's like, hey, what are you.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Gonna do now? I'm gonna put on my tennis shoes.
I'm gonna go jog a few miles.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
How many people out there have been apprehensive about their wife,
their dog. I'm not talking. I don't you and I
kind of feel differently. And this is my wife's big
attack on the whole trans community, the idea that you're
a real woman. It's like women think differently than like
you or I would, and a lot of the men
out there listening. Every time I go into a parking garage,
(31:33):
I don't think at all about being in danger, Like
I don't hold my keys like I'm gonna have to
stab somebody if they try to attack me. No one's
gonna bother me.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
When I'm jogging, I'm sweaty, I'm complaining, I smell bad,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
No one's uh.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
But but I think a lot of women out there
and they've started to speak out more. It's actually insulting
for you to claim, like, hey, I know what it's
like to be a woman when you're a grown man
who's like six foot two and you've never had to
actually live through the danger. Your mom's small. Producer Ali
is small, My wife Laura is small. Like if you're
one hundred and ten pounds, it's your threat level is
(32:10):
different than somebody who frankly, you and I weigh a
lot more than one hundred and ten pounds.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
I'm working on a clay, but I'm definitely definitely north
of one hundred and ten pounds, that's for sure, Ali
says Bruser. Ali just texted us that she had a
crazy person in her subway car this morning's and.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
You still Ali, you still ride it? Is it getting
any better? We'll ask her when we come back whether
whether or not. Like I mean again, the danger is
not made up.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
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in Wisconsin wants to weigh in on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
What's going on? Doug?
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Hey, guys playing buck, Thanks for taking my call. I
really appreciate it. You know, whenever anybody talks about TikTok,
they always talk in such glowing terms, and I get it,
there's a lot of good stuff out there, but nobody
ever talks about the negative side. I raised four daughters
from young without their mother, and they turned out really
great until he left college. And you know, three of
them are great concerns yet and my fourth daughter, she's
(35:02):
said daddy's girl was. Anyway, now we hardly talk. She
got on TikTok and she's just turned dark. She's so
liberal and talks about you know, what are that with
the women and their their their their rights, their reproductive rights.
It's all she wants to talk about, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Wait to ask is she is she in college?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Because that I mean the college is probably an even
bigger factor in this than TikTok would be my guest.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
But they can both work together to this And this.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Happened after college. She's up that foor now and it's
it's been yeah, and then I would say in the
last ten years. You know, it has to do with
the people she hangs with. I get that, you know,
But TikTok is where she gets your news from and
all the information, and man, I just I feel like
I've lost her. I really do well.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Get her to listen to Clay and Buck no straight.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I mean, thank you for the call. You can find
anything on TikTok. The reality is, I mean, my sons
are they love TikTok and they are getting very much
rightest content because their algorithm gives them that right Eighteen
to twenty nine year old men, young men overwhelmingly voted
(36:12):
Trump in twenty twenty four, and so I think there's
a sense that young people are getting influenced in a
negative way by TikTok. How many followers does Trump have
on TikTok and now Buck like one hundred million?
Speaker 3 (36:25):
I mean it's crazy. Yeah, I don't think it's a
hundred I think it's like fifteen million. But it's a lot,
all right, one.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Hundred million, fifteen million, it's a lot. But tomorrow will
be the final This is a great thing to get
to stay buck. Tomorrow will be the final show that
we do without Donald Trump as President of the United States.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Wow. I like it.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
It's been along four years, been along four years, but
tomorrow is goodbye Joe Biden.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
So tomorrow's a celebration show. Everybody, come hang with us.
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Several different
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gonna talk a bit buck about Kamala being upset at
Joe Biden for saying he would have won the election
according to The Wall Street Journal. That a report also
(00:43):
New Washington Post slogan as we talked about democracy dies
in darkness, maybe on its way out. Daniel Penny back
on the subways. I want to get bucks take as
a New Yorker on Penny just going right back to
the subways after they tried to put him in prison
for committing a negligent homicide. Basically is the standard that
they tried to prosecute him under. We'll talk about that
(01:05):
we're getting fan mail we've been talking about TikTok, and
by fan mail, I mean people who believe that you
and I are morons. And so let's go ahead and
hear here's Dan who has emailed this.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Dan says, I'm shocked you support keeping TikTok so kids
aren't devastated with the loss and Trump's investment may suffer.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
What about national security?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Don't you find it difficult to have to build stories
constantly that match what Trump wants you to say? Who
cares how much people like TikTok? National security is the
top priority? Unbelievable. If Trump was against TikTok, your story
would be on the other side. So predictable. Now, let
me tee this up for you.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
You have actually, when no one else was defending TikTok,
you and like what's the guy's name, Jamal Bowman were
like the only people in America saying I don't want
to see TikTok band.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
The only people, the only people on the right that
we're raising any questions about it were yours, truly, Senator
rand Paul A little bit just because of the government
overreach component of just saying we're going to kill a
company because we think there's some theoretical national security risks
to it. Yeah, I mean, the gentleman can write in
whatever he likes and that's fine. But to say that
(02:18):
I've changed my tune on that's just contrafactual. I have
been pro TikTok when nobody I mean, I say pro TikTok,
keeping it alive, not shutting it down thinking that it's
overblown the national security risk. Nobody was agreeing with me,
and now Trump agrees with me. That's different. That's not
me agreeing with Trump.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Trump actually has changed his opinion to agree with Buck,
not us. And what I would say about myself. First
of all, there's lots of things that I disagree with
Trump on. I mean, you should disagree with any political
leader on lots of different issues. I think Trump's right
on almost everything, but there are three or four things
I would change if I were president. My perspective has
been pretty much the same. It's not as as much
(02:57):
as Buck's defense of TikTok. I have said I think
TikTok should be forced to be sold to an American owner,
and that I would be troubled in the same way
by China owning a Chinese individual or company owning the
Wall Street Journal, Fox News, any American media company, to
me should not be owned by a Chinese entity. So
(03:20):
I want an American or an American company to own TikTok.
So I appreciate Dan listening and believing that we are
encouraging the destruction of America with our perspectives on TikTok.
I actually think it's a super fascinating question. A lot
of you, we opened up phone lines, a lot of
you have a variety of perspectives. I was alongside a
Buck kind of impressed by how many of you are
(03:43):
big fans of TikTok and we are we are going
to have going forward tomorrow ran Paul on. We'll get
the latest on TikTok from him as it continues to
come down the pike, and you guys can call in
eight hundred and two to two eight A two and
we may well take some more of calls on TikTok today.
Appreciate I think his name was Dan being such a
(04:04):
big fan. In sending an email now Buck, we talked
about ESPN's decision not to air the Moment of Silence
for the terror attacks, and in New Orleans after the
Sugar Bowl and not to air the national anthem. We
played it all for you. The USA chance called out ESPN.
(04:24):
ESPN claimed that they had a timing issue. They have
been getting ripped to the high heavens such that I
don't know if you saw this, buck they actually aired
for the first time I've ever seen the pregame prayer
on nationwide ESPN. They have not missed the national anthem since,
which was a default acknowledgment that they had screwed up.
(04:45):
Now on a podcast, the executive Bert Magnus, who oversees ESPN,
has apologized, says it was a terrible mistake and a
horrible error not to air the national anthem and moment
of silence. I wanted to play this because I do
think it's significant of the voice out there from all
(05:06):
of you and how you can hold people accountable and
helped to make sports something that unites everybody instead of
being divisive.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Listen to this. I know there's a little bit of
controversy regarding you guys not covering the anthem in New
Orleans for the game. Can you speak about that.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
There's a group of people in Bristol who just made
an enormous mistake. It was a human error. It happens.
I don't want to minimize it by any stretch. But
as you noted, like nothing was normal about that next day,
including our programming lineup where we normally would have had
college game day and that crew leading into the game.
(05:43):
It wasn't that it was Sports Center, which is done
out of Bristol instead of and SID. It was just
a mistake that, you know, that we feel terrible about
and by the way, we should be held to account for.
Right like, we want to be as good as we
can possibly be at all times, and even though it
was not a normal situation. You know, our traffic got
fouled up, our timing got fouled up, we happened to
(06:04):
you know, to be in commercial break when the anthem happened.
It was just not good by any measuring stick and
not up to our standards.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Do you buy play that it was a foul up
more of an oversight that they're taking responsibility for, or
was this a decision that was made that now they're
trying to soft pedal as oh it was. You know,
this is like when someone says I misspoke, it's like, well,
if you read something off a.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Prompter, and you read it and you said it you didn't,
that's not misspeaking. Was this a you know what I mean?
I said at the time. There's only two explanations. It's
either a as they said, what did they say? A
enormous mistake and a horrible error, or it's intentional. Here's
what I would say, Buck, that can tell that's two options.
(06:55):
I think they're also somewhat connected because it goes to culture.
If you make horrible errors or enormous mistakes, if your
culture is strong, somebody should have stood up and said, hey,
there was a terror attack in New Orleans yesterday.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
We've got to make sure.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
That we have the moment of silence and that we
carry the national anthem because it's a moment of national healing.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
And it's also a.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Significant story how New Orleans responds to a terror attack
the day after you know there's not any It takes
a certain degree of bravery to be among sixty thousand
people who show up to watch a big event right
after they were having Bomb's planet in Bourbon Street. So
the resilience of the American spirit is to me the
(07:44):
best and most important story the game. Itself. Look, congratulations,
Notre Dame won it. But I think a lot of
people will remember the spirit of New Orleans. But ESPN
fouled it up. So I think it goes to culture,
regardless of direct intent, that it could be allowed to
happen is a failure enormously of culture.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Now, we've been.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Talking about the trajectory of social media platforms, news media,
Washington Posts and others, and the massive vibe shift that
is occurring toward the right toward Trump. Is this happening
in sports media as well? Or is sports media lagging
even this wave of sanity that feels like it is
(08:27):
finally washing across the country.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I think we're winning. And that's why I think again.
I understand, we'll get emails every day, we get vip emails.
You can't trust Zuckerberg, can't trust Bezos. I understand that argument.
But what I am seeing is I don't think ESPN
would have come out and made this public acknowledgment. Remember
they tried to initially blame timing error. Now suddenly they're saying, actually,
(08:52):
we screwed up, and not only do we screw up,
we should be held to account for it. Like, hey,
you Clay Travis and Buck Sexton were right to call
us out for it. You, Clay Travis and other OutKick writers.
Bobby Barack is most established on writing this story. For instance,
at OutKick dot com. We're winning the culture battles. And
(09:15):
the fact that ESPN is admitting this and was asked
about it, I think is evidence that they recognize that.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
And where does that come from? Buck?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
It comes from overwhelming majorities of the American public saying
that's wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
You screwed this up. You should own it.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
And again, I think the silent majority, which oftentimes had
been on the sideline saying, eh, I might not like this,
but I don't really want to speak out because I'm
worried about what a lot of people are over it,
and they're like, screw it. I'm going to tell you
exactly what I think. And I think that's what Trump,
whether you like him or not bull in a China
(09:53):
Shop style, has created, is the Overton window for what
many people feel comfortable debate eating publicly has expanded, and
I think that's actually incredibly beneficial to the American public.
Regardless of what you want to argue in favor of well,
I mean, I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I think there was a time when if you had
called Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas in a public forum, you know,
especially if you worked at a place like ESPN, you
might have gotten in a lot of trouble. Guess what,
when the President of the United States.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Does it, it makes.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
It a lot harder for someone to say, well, you
can't say it if the actual sitting president says it.
I mean, I agree with your fundamental point, which is
that Trump has been saying things for a long time
now that allow people to say more of the same,
and there's a force multiplier effect that comes from all
of that. But I would wonder on the sports media
(10:46):
side of things, because I think that the trans stuff
in this election was potent, meaning, yes, the Democrats playing
this game of men can become women. You know, this
man should be able to play in women's sports. All
this stuff you have to use the preferred pronoun, you
have to this blew up in their faces and they
(11:08):
couldn't do what they normally do, which is support all
that stuff and.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Then be like why do you care? Why are you
talking about it? What did you guys?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Text this morning is among many things as we're prepping
there's a dude playing in San Francisco on the girls
high school basketball team who scored twenty nine points. And
we wrote about this at out Kick. And this is
not a super talented boys basketball player, right. If you
watch this guy running up and down the court, you're
(11:35):
not like, oh man, that's Kobe Bryant out there, or
even that's a good high school boys basketball player. And
he is dominating in San Francisco girls basketball because he
identifies as a girl. I think overwhelmingly people are like,
this is I want to curse, but this is bonkers,
(11:58):
this is insane. And you know what happened though, Buck
Only two Democrats voted in favor of a bill this week.
Every Republican supported it. All it did was say you
should if your school's receiving federal funds, there shouldn't be
boys who are allowed to compete in girl sports. Only
two Democrats voted against it. I think they are basically
(12:22):
committed to going down Titanic style with the ship on
this issue as it rapidly is becoming.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
An eighty twenty.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Unless you're just a crazy person, you're like, there's no
who are you talking about? A boy decides to identify
as a girl and plays on girl sports.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Like this is.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
They used to make movies mocking it back at remember
Juwana Man, Like they used to make movies mocking the
idea of a guy identifying as a woman and dominating.
Now it's actually reality at high schools and colleges, Like
I can't believe still.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
That this is the reality of where we are. Agree.
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Speaker 3 (14:18):
Welcome back in Clay and Buck here and just a little,
a nice little momentum boost, not that I think one
is particularly needed right now for Trump going into the inauguration.
It's going to be uh this Monday. I can't believe
how quickly it's coming up. Fox News poll Trump is
the most popular he's ever been. Fifty two percent approve
(14:40):
of Trump's handling of the transition, forty six percent disapprove.
This is a reversal from twenty seventeen by a thirteen
point margin. More voters view Trump's victory as a referendum
on President Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris policies than
a validation of Trump's seventy one percent of yeah okay, yeah, yeah, YadA,
(15:02):
YadA YadA, fifty two percent approve of the handling of this.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
So Trump is, in.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
All respects Clay in the most powerful political position he
has ever been in. I think that's pretty clear right now,
which given what they threw against him, and given that
he had a bullet shot through his ear by a
would be assassin, and it's it's the most amazing story
in politics in our lifetime, I think, without question.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Well, and I think there are a lot of Democrats
slowly coming to grips with boy. It would have been
a lot better if we had just let Trump win
in twenty twenty because the House would have been in
Democrat control. Senate still up in the air because of
the runoffs in Georgia. But Trump's political power, not only
as approval buck, but his political power at the start
(15:52):
of twenty twenty five is the most substantial in his
entire political career. So they have tried to destroy guy,
put him in prison for the rest of his life,
kill him, and instead, come January twenty ath when he
raises his right hand and gets sworn in. We are
headed into an era of Trump's ability to change and
(16:13):
impact and reorient more in his first year than he's
ever had the ability to do in his entire political career,
Which is why this whole thing about Joe Biden's legacy.
Joe Biden arguably made Trump stronger than he had ever
been before because of his incompetence. And I think Democrats
(16:36):
right now are slowly recognizing this, and I don't even
know what they're thinking. They've got to now deal with
Trump until twenty twenty nine, bucks to say nothing of
what happens in November of twenty eight when Republicans, if
they do a decent job, will be in very good
shape to continue to hold political power. But my goodness,
I mean, you're talking about an unburdened, unopposed, unobstructed Trump
(17:00):
on a level we've never seen before. Where remember remember
how controversial build the Wall was. Now sixty percent of
Americans won a wall built. I mean, Trump has persuaded
huge majorities.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Kamala was talking about building a wall, which I still
honestly is still one of the parts of this that
gets the more less attention than it should. That's just
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the wall was such a huge lightning rod politically.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
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in twenty sixteen. Now Democrats, to your point, Buck are like,
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The change in perspective. Again, this goes to people being
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Speaker 1 (18:58):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We're rolling through the
Thursday edition of the program. I tease this a bit earlier, Buck,
there is a photo that has gone very viral of
Daniel Penny, now acquitted, not guilty of doing anything inappropriate
(19:20):
in choking the individual who was on the subway making threats.
That person ends up dying. Daniel Penny charged with basically
involuntary manslaughter. He now is back on the subway riding
it solo. So question for you, Buck, lifelong New York
City resident. I give credit to Daniel Penny for the
(19:43):
bravery just to be right back on the subway solo.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I think.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I said, I shared the photo and said, he's like Batman.
Every Batman movie they decide, you know that, there's the
trajectory same thing with Spider Man, where the city of
New York basically decides, oh, we don't need Batman anymore,
we don't need Spider Man. They become a bad guy
and they have to redeem themselves, sort of on their
hero arc. Would you be riding the subway if you
(20:08):
were Daniel Penny? My answer, I would be straight uber
or straight walking, I think for the rest of my life.
But I'm impressed by this guy's bravery that he's right
back to his normal life riding the subway.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
The Batman of the rails.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Well, I think that if we just take a step
back and consider what happened when somebody was threatening on
the subway before, in many ways, I think it's quite
unlikely someone is going to try to cause a problem
for him on the subway. I think that most average
(20:44):
New Yorkers, especially now that the trial is in, the
verdict is in, I think they feel even more comfortable
with this is a case of somebody who is stepping
in in a city that wanted people to start to
step in more. I always think it's worth noting that
Jordan Neely, who was the man who died while you
(21:07):
know in the exchange with Daniel Penny, had violently assaulted
and seriously violently assaulted people on the subway numerous times
in the past. Yes, so it's not like he wasn't
someone who had committed violence, was a danger to those
around him, and continued to be He was menacing the
subway and people grow very tired of had grown very
(21:28):
tired of that. So I will I will say that
this case was the outcome was a kind of a
pleasant surprise to me. I was worried that given the
way that they had structured the charges, that they'd set
up the charges, it was well, well, it's not that
he stepped in, it's that he held them for too long. Well,
when they when they looked at this and they looked
(21:49):
into it more. The guy also had health issues that
came into the situation. He was a schizophrenic, I believe,
so he's you know, there's there's psychological and pulmonary issues
that come that come together that create greater risks. I
think that people in New York City, and I was
one of them for a long time. The health and
(22:12):
safety of the subway as a system, and the sense
that people have that they can go on the subway
at any time and they'll be safe, is really used
as a litmus test for how the city is doing overall,
because for a lot of people, and this is I said,
this is different than in la and even in San Francisco,
where a lot of the rich people live in certain
areas they never really venture into, like the Tenderloin district
(22:34):
or some of the more downtown, sketchier parts of San Francisco.
In New York, if you want to get from way
downtown to you know, the Upper east Side, you can
either take the subway, or you can sit in a
car for an hour and twenty minutes and pay a
whole bunch of money. I mean, you know, you can
just sit in traffic, just grind away. So the subway
(22:57):
is the proxy for how these that he is actually doing.
And people had had enough, and obviously that was shown
by the jury verdict here. So no, I don't think.
I don't think anyone's gonna bother Daniel Penny. Really, I
would find that very because if anyone did, I'll tell
you there's if someone stepped forward and said, Daniel Penny,
you know, how dare you show your face he or something,
(23:17):
there'll be other people on that subway who say, you know,
he's a.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Hero, you leave him alone.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I guess my thing on it is.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Remember when I think it was I can't remember the
girl's name who got her arm bitten off the surfer
by the shark, and then she continued to be a surfer.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I'm wondering how you're gonna stick the landing on this one,
But yeah, I'm gonna stick the landing.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
You're ready.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
So to me, if I ever got attacked by a shark,
the emotional trauma that I would feel going back into
the ocean would be so immense that I don't think
I would ever surf again. I don't think I would
ever go into the into the ocean again. The mental
bravery from her doing that to me somewhat akin to
(24:01):
Daniel Penny, whatever you think about his behavior.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Except Clay, it's a little bit like if she ripped
the dorsal fin off the shark or something.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You know what I'm saying. I mean, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
The mental trauma of being put like you talk about,
and I do think it's true. The process is the punishment.
Oh yeah, the mental trauma relating to being charged with
negligent homicide, all of the work that you would have
to do, sitting at that table every day, looking at
that jury, the fact that they were going to try
(24:32):
to put you in prison for years for something that
you think you were justified to have done. I give
credit in the same way that I would to the surfer,
but also to Daniel Penny. I think they're mentally tougher
than me. I don't think that I would be able
to go on the subway without thinking constantly in a flashback,
(24:52):
oh what if something like this happens again. Now there's
also the element of, hey, you're right. People might recognize
him some, but he might try to do something to
him because he's famous that a little bit. I just
I don't think I would go back in the subway.
And I give credit immensely to him, because it is
an incredible amount to me of mental toughness to just
(25:14):
be like, hey, I did what I think is right,
and now I'm going to go right back to my
normal life. And if that situation arises again. Guess what,
I'm going to do it again because I know I
didn't do anything wrong. I think it's an incredible credit
to him.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I also think that the people who don't want someone
like a Daniel Penny to step in are among those
who are the least likely to.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Try to bring it face out there that are on
social media in general. The guy who says if I
ever see you, I'm going to kick your ass either
pretends he doesn't see you in real life or ask
for a photo. That's been my experience, like the chirpers
on social media are typically not the people that are
likely to do anything. By the way, Bethany Hamilton, according
(25:58):
to the staff, I was gonna say Bethany Frankel, and
then I was like, no, I think she was a
real housewife, very different Bethany. But Bethany Hamilton, she was thirteen,
arm got, She's a great surfer, and her arm got.
She had attacked, she lost an arm, and she went
right back into the surf. And to me, that is
an incredible amount of mental toughness to have something awful
(26:21):
happened to you and come through it on the other
side and say I'm going to continue to live my
life the same way I was before. Is I think
an agree of mental toughness that not very many people
out there are capable of.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I don't know that I am. I will tell you.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I had a friend recently told me at a at
an event he had been scuba diving over over five
hundred dives. He's a big scuba diver. And I said,
you know, what's the craziest thing you've ever seen? And
he actually witnessed a fatal shark attack, he told me
underwater and it's in the shark attack file. He told
me the whole story, which is quite a story. But
(26:58):
the thing about it that was other than just the
sort of shock and horror of hearing that somebody actually
saw that happen to someone.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I was like, and you keep scooba diving.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
He's like, yeah, of course, He's like, you know, it's
a bad luck. It's like getting struck by lightning. I'm
just like, I don't know, buddy, Like a big tiger
shark came and took somebody not far from me, Like
I think I would have had enough on that one.
But then again, I agree with you. Mostly went at
the beach. I'm I'm an up to my knees guy.
For the most part, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I like to go up the knees level.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Maybe I'll sah around in the face, I'll go out
pretty far. But I'll tell you this. Here's another example.
You know, didn't two people just survive that Korean Airlines
flight that crashed and everybody else was killed.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
On the plane?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, which they were in the very back they were
flight attendants. If I'm not mistaken, like literally the very
back of the plane they survived, I certainly wouldn't continue
to work as a flight attendant. I don't know how
long it would take me to get back on an airplane.
I understand the probability is very low of something bad
happening to you in that context, But the mental toughness
(27:57):
you would have to have to walk around right back
onto an airplane after you were one of two people
that survived an awful crashing landing like that, I just
think it's a I think it's an incredible testament to
Daniel Penny. And you know, Buck, speaking of Daniel Penny, yesterday,
I met a guy who was a lifelong New Yorker
and he said, in twenty nineteen he moved. He lives
(28:19):
in my neighborhood now, he said. His wife said, I
don't feel safe riding the subway anymore. We've got to
get out of New York City. And I think it
kind of ties in with sort of the cultural vibe
and shift, and I think there are a lot of
people out there that have had those experiences and they're
just the straw that broke the camel's back. They're like,
(28:39):
I can't do this anymore. I'm leaving. I'm going somewhere safer,
I'm going somewhere where I feel more welcome.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Look, my mom is a petit woman and she used
to ride the subway all the time and for the
last you know, seven or eight years or so, and
I have to ask her when she'd really say she
started to feel this. But really, the de Blasio Yeah
Blasia administration doesn't feel safe in the subway anymore. It
has to avoid it, you know, as tries to absolutely
(29:06):
avoid it. And that's just like I said that as
an indicator, and it was an indicator when the city
was really bad back in the in the late eight
in the late eighties, the early nineties was actually when
the city was by the numbers and it's absolute worse
ninety one, ninety two, nineteen ninety ninety one, ninety two,
and the subways were covered in graffiti. Member, you would
(29:27):
see these old images and movies too of like these
subway cars all covered in graffiti and there was scratch
graffiti and all of the windows and there were just
these marauding bands of you know, hoodlums who would rob people.
And you know, it's a lot of this stuff too,
doesn't even ever get reported. That's another part of this
or it doesn't get treated as a big deal. But
(29:49):
I mean, imagine you're on the subway and you know,
perhaps even you're an elderly person and someone comes up
and you know, starts threatening you, cursing at you men
you know men is you?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Essentially?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
You know, that's psychologically really damaging when you're just trying
to get from one place to another. And so many
people have those stories.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I mean, that's it.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah, you know, not everybody's gonna have a story where
they've been physically assaulted, but have you had a crazy
person spittle in your face while he's saying, you know,
I'm gonna do something insane and like you're lucky I'm
not going to do this to you or whatever. Most
people who ride the subway in New York City, I
have those stories. Most people ride the subway in New
York have those stories.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
The last time I went to New York with Laura,
my wife, I told her absolutely no uncertain terms. You
don't ride the subway, like even if you have to
take longer, get into an uber walk wherever you go.
And I feel like many people out there, if they
don't live in New York City, have had this experience
in whatever community you live in. The test that I
always put in play is do you feel do you
(30:49):
feel comfortable with your wife, girlfriend, daughter, somebody who's relatively
young jogging in the neighborhood by themselves. I feel like
that's a really good test of it. Neighborhood and all night, right,
I mean at night, I think is the real real test.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
That's when you really know.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Like right around you know, like people come home from
work right and it's like, hey, what are you.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Gonna do now? I'm gonna put on my tennis shoes.
I'm gonna go jog a few miles.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
How many people out there have been apprehensive about their wife,
their dog. I'm not talking. I don't you and I
kind of feel differently. And this is my wife's big
attack on the whole trans community, the idea that you're
a real woman. It's like women think differently than like
you or I would, and a lot of the men
out there listening. Every time I go into a parking garage,
(31:33):
I don't think at all about being in danger, Like
I don't hold my keys like I'm gonna have to
stab somebody if they try to attack me. No one's
gonna bother me.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
When I'm jogging, I'm sweaty, I'm complaining, I smell bad,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
No one's uh.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
But but I think a lot of women out there
and they've started to speak out more. It's actually insulting
for you to claim, like, hey, I know what it's
like to be a woman when you're a grown man
who's like six foot two and you've never had to
actually live through the danger. Your mom's small. Producer Ali
is small, My wife Laura is small. Like if you're
one hundred and ten pounds, it's your threat level is
(32:10):
different than somebody who frankly, you and I weigh a
lot more than one hundred and ten pounds.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
I'm working on a clay, but I'm definitely definitely north
of one hundred and ten pounds, that's for sure, Ali
says Bruser. Ali just texted us that she had a
crazy person in her subway car this morning's and.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
You still Ali, you still ride it? Is it getting
any better? We'll ask her when we come back whether
whether or not. Like I mean again, the danger is
not made up.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
It's real.
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in Wisconsin wants to weigh in on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
What's going on? Doug?
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Hey, guys playing buck, Thanks for taking my call. I
really appreciate it. You know, whenever anybody talks about TikTok,
they always talk in such glowing terms, and I get it,
there's a lot of good stuff out there, but nobody
ever talks about the negative side. I raised four daughters
from young without their mother, and they turned out really
great until he left college. And you know, three of
them are great concerns yet and my fourth daughter, she's
(35:02):
said daddy's girl was. Anyway, now we hardly talk. She
got on TikTok and she's just turned dark. She's so
liberal and talks about you know, what are that with
the women and their their their their rights, their reproductive rights.
It's all she wants to talk about, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Wait to ask is she is she in college?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Because that I mean the college is probably an even
bigger factor in this than TikTok would be my guest.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
But they can both work together to this And this.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Happened after college. She's up that foor now and it's
it's been yeah, and then I would say in the
last ten years. You know, it has to do with
the people she hangs with. I get that, you know,
But TikTok is where she gets your news from and
all the information, and man, I just I feel like
I've lost her. I really do well.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Get her to listen to Clay and Buck no straight.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I mean, thank you for the call. You can find
anything on TikTok. The reality is, I mean, my sons
are they love TikTok and they are getting very much
rightest content because their algorithm gives them that right Eighteen
to twenty nine year old men, young men overwhelmingly voted
(36:12):
Trump in twenty twenty four, and so I think there's
a sense that young people are getting influenced in a
negative way by TikTok. How many followers does Trump have
on TikTok and now Buck like one hundred million?
Speaker 3 (36:25):
I mean it's crazy. Yeah, I don't think it's a
hundred I think it's like fifteen million. But it's a lot,
all right, one.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Hundred million, fifteen million, it's a lot. But tomorrow will
be the final This is a great thing to get
to stay buck. Tomorrow will be the final show that
we do without Donald Trump as President of the United States.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Wow. I like it.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
It's been along four years, been along four years, but
tomorrow is goodbye Joe Biden.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
So tomorrow's a celebration show. Everybody, come hang with us.
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