August 18, 2025 • 54 mins
David Rutherford explains the Froglogic philosophy—the mindset forged through decades as a Navy SEAL, Blackwater operator, CIA contractor, and performance coach.
He breaks down:
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The Negative Insurgency—the internal and external forces of fear that attack us daily.
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Why pain is the Anvil of Life, shaping us into who we become.
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The four sequential pillars: Embrace Fear, Forging Self-Confidence, The Team Life, Living With Purpose.
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How to win the Motivation War and stop ringing the bell when life gets tough.
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - The Hardest Questions In Life
07:58 - Where Does Motivation Come From?
23:21 - The Froglogic Triad
28:59 - Embracing Fear
34:19 - Forging Self-Confidence
40:15 - Living The Team Life
44:19 - Living With Purpose
49:07 - Sacrifice
50:43 - Don’t Ring The Bell
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I am fired up on this show to really introduce
kind of the core idea behind my training philosophy, how
I approach teaching people, how I approach the overall development
of the individual as it relates to this unbelievable long
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term quest that I've had within the human condition to
try and understand what drives success or what initiates failure
from an individual level and a team level. And obviously
my background as a seal, a medic, an instructor and
operator at Blackwater, at the agency, as a motivational performance
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coach for professional and collegiate athletes, and then working with
you know, hundreds of different businesses from Fortune five hundred
companies all the way down to mom and pop shops
across the country. These this is kind of the formula
or the foundation that I believe impacts people's performance so
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they can really not only kind of face the great
challenges of their lives, but really, you know, come together
and accomplish a mission orientation that they hope for. And
I call all of this the frog logic concepts. Now,
if you've ever seen my original logo, it's it's the
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frog and the brain. Hopefully you've you've seen it on
Jordie's hat that he wears religiously. So Jordie, I can't
thank you enough for being a shameless promoter of frog Logic.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
So thank you, sir. I think this is literally the
only hat I wear now.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
So when Jordy comes on your team, he is all in,
by the way, folks, and I'm beyond below us to
have that. I really appreciate it, of course. All right,
So you know, when I'm out there given this presentation
to professionals, you know, within the financial services industry, with
whatever industry I'm talking to, this is the essentially the
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content that I deliver that I help people understand where
I'm coming from and why. Now. We did a show
recently where we talked a little bit about that evolution
and my becoming an instructor reluctantly and what I learned
and really the foundational ideas and how they emerged through
my own life experience, and you can check that show out.
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Just go back in our repertoire there and you'll find
that show. But here I wanted to really get kind
of describe the formula and how it works, how it's
supposed to function in your life. Now, obviously there has
to be some type of predicate for that, and the
main predicate I think for any human being. And you've
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you've gone through this yourself. I know you have, each
one of you out there that's listen. I know you've
gone through this where you've you've been in that point
and you're you're in the you're in the storm or
what I call the negative insurgency, and I'll define that
here for you in a second. And you're getting pummeled,
like you're getting just the outright hell kicked out of you.
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What questions do you ask? And I think these are
the same questions that we have been thinking about for
as long as human beings have have had the the
divine concept of consciousness, and most especially self consciousness. Right,
we've been asking who am I? And why am I here?
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And I think you know you asked that question first
and foremost. As you know an individual, whether you're an athlete,
or you're a student, or you're a father or a brother,
or you're a business leader or a follower, you know,
whatever it is, you're always kind of that's the reoccurring
as you distill it all down to the foundational level,
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it's like who am I? And and then and then
it's like, you know, who am I externally as a friend,
as a teammate, as a member of society? Right? Who
am I in that relationship? And then and then obviously
who am I in terms of a person under pressure?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Who am I?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
You know, am in a in a moment where people
have to depend on me? And and in our world
it's depend on me for in a life and death situation?
Who can depend on me in a in a situation
where man I have a best friend who's an addict
or an alcoholic or struggling immeasurably, you know who am
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I for them in that moment? And then you know, obviously,
you know, the most important who am I?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Uh? For me in my life is who who I am?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Who am I as it relates to my relationship with
Jesus Christ?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
And that's the heaviest one.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
That's the one that has really been the most challenging
meat for me to not only comprehend but then live
up to that day in and day out. And so
you have these profound who am I questions? And then
and then it's like, all right, well, well why am
I here? What is the grand purpose for my being
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in whatever of those environments that you're evaluating. And you know,
we can have the forty thousand foot uh, you know,
who am I? Why am I here as a human
being on this giant spinning ball in this infinite universe?
Or who am I in this moment where I have
the capacity to do great things or even good things
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or even small things for one one person at a time.
You know that one person that is in the audience
for me that I'll never know, I'll never get a
chance to talk to. But I, somehow, some way am
able to give them a seed, if you will, and
they take that seed and they run with it, and
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they it changes their life, maybe not in a profound
revelatory experience, but maybe just one decision they're making in
that very difficult environment they're operating, and that makes a difference.
And that's why I'm here, That's why I'm on the microphone.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
That's why I'm doing what I'm doing in my life.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Why I've dedicated my life to doing this is for
to help people kind of answer that question, if you
is why am I here?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And that's what I try and help people do.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
And that's what Frog logic is all designed to do,
is to help people answer those questions who am I?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
And why am I here?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Now, obviously the number one thing that impedes us from
answering that. I call it the negative insurgency. Some people
call it, you know, moral relativism, right. Some people call
it tyrannical ideologies. Some people call it political philosophical ideology,
or wherever whatever angle it's coming from. You know, it's
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that it's that thing that wants to tear us apart.
It's that thing that's always putting that pressure on us. Right,
It's that thing that puts us on the anvil of life.
And so I describe or define the negative insurgency as
every perceived external and or internal force that ignites fear,
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which translates into inhibitive thoughts, emotions, and actions relative to
one's motivational triggers, right, because like people always want to
get in. He's like, it's crazy, man. People want to
debate me on motivation and they're like.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
You know, you don't need motivation.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Goggins doesn't need motivation, and you know, he says motivation
and I'm like, hey man, you know, David is a
brilliant motivator. But he approaches this he has motivations and
and you know, if you got to know him, and
you had to, you really were able to lead read
between those lines. Man, That dude has motivations to do
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what he does that are much deeper than you can
possibly fathom. And if you read his book and you're
able to extrapolate any capacity of that through the impact
of his traumatic childhood, you'll know what I'm talking about.
Or within your own childhood, or within your own trauma
you faced as an adult, or whatever time, you have
an innate motivation to first and foremost be able to
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process that every day, live with it every day, learn
how to compartmentalize it so it doesn't affect you, and
then you know, hopefully have the courage to be able
to stand up to it or to overcome, if you
want to talk about it in that context. So this
negative insurgency those external forces, but it's also the internal forces, right,
It's the battle you're waging up here every day when
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this thing called the motivation war, this idea that I
have that we're all waging a motivation war against ourselves
every single day. We're fighting ourselves to find that aptitude
of positivity in our lives. Right to be able to
flip perception, to restructure that perception in a way where
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the attack internally and externally is not the thing that
is victorious.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
It's not what it's doing. That's not what's shaping.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
What shapes us is our proactivity right, our desire to
search out, to go find the initiative, to go find
the thing in our lives that gives us the strength
or the fortuitousness, or the resolution, whatever adjective you want
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to use for yourself, that you place yourself on the
anvil of life and you begin whacking away.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
David Rutherford, my best friend. Welcome to the show, Sean.
Thank you for having me. It's an honor to be here.
What's Up? Team?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I recently had the incredible honor of joining my best
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of my appreciation for him and his audience, I want
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Speaker 1 (11:38):
Thank you very much, oo yah and god speed. You know.
I have this.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Amazing friend, absolutely young man that I've been working with
for a very long time. Almost we're coming up on
I think we're closing in on geez. He's I think
thirty four. Now we started working together when he was twelve,
so that's a long time. And he's ascended to the
very highest of achievements in a particular endeavor in his life,
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to which you know, I'm beyond proud. But what I
began to realize is when we would chat in one
of these really intense situations where he was going through
what's arguably the most difficult military training program on the
planet by far, and it's not buds, trust me, it's
something much heavier than that. And he began to share
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back things with me that I altered my perception. And
that's when I was like, oh my god, now he's
teaching me because he's gone beyond the capacity with which
I was able to teach him. Now he was and
one of the things he really was able to help
me smise or help me formulate, this metaphor that I
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used called the anvil of life.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And that's this idea.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
That pain right is is your perception of pain right.
And pain can be distributed in relatively three different easy
ways if you distill it down, it can be positive,
it can be negative, it can be neutral right, and
and that's essentially your attitude right, or or how you
invoke motivation in your life. And so he describes it
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in this capacity. Right, he helped me realize that these
these these three ideas of pain, right, that you can
be in control of this. Now, you know, he was
in this process of becoming.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
The elite of the elite within within.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Special Operations, and and and he started to describe this,
this this idea that now I know it's going to
be painful, but but that pain is a component that
makes me better. That pain is the component that makes
me stronger. And so I'm going to use that pain
to sharpen myself. I'm going to use that pain to
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sharpen my physicality. I'm going to use that pain to
sharpen my cognitive ability. I'm going to definitely use that
pain to sharp my emotional intelligence or strength. And what
I love dearly about this individual who has since really
moved into a whole other level of spirituality and his
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confidence and his quest to serve God and to serve Christ.
And he's like, man, my spiritual pain is what I
most seek in this life because I know it shapes me,
I said, shaped Christ himself. And so he gave me
this beautiful metaphor of this anvil of life. And so
that's what we have to do. Right. We have to
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take ourselves and we have to what we're predisposed of
through our own limbic response to things, right, our own
genuine sensation of of.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Biology, if you will.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Right. And and we've got this amazing limbic system. Right,
We've got the hippocampus and you're Amigdala's right. We have
reward chemicals, right, and dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin, stress hormones right,
Adrenaline and cortisol. Right. You know, you have this limbic response,
which is this core response that no matter what what
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you want is going to happen. It's just we're built
for it. It's what's enabled the human species in its
current form to survive and to thrive, right, to to
be able to go out and and and and and
conquer and reconquer our own constitution. That's a big shout
out to the the reconquistas of Northern Spain back in
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the day.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Uh, And man Raymond, just thank you. I still think
about that. He just released another uh video that's just
unbelievable about Richard.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The line hardens most.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I mean, it's just this Guy's phenomen You want to
get fired up, you want to have motivation, go go
check out Raymond Ebrahim and his work about Christendom. Right,
all right, so you have this limbic natural limbic response,
and then then you have this prefrontal cortex that is
the battle, that's where the war begins to take place.
And you know, you have these cortical neurons that are
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able to generate mental representations in the absence of sensory stimulation. Right,
this is the foundation of abstract thought. Now, a lot
of people, you know, you just don't acknowledge it because
you're you're doing this millions of times every day. You're
able to look at the the objects around you each
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and every day transform transform the ability to identify those things,
and then they become if you're motivated, they become tools.
If you're not, they become obstacles or hurdles or component
of that negative insurgency. And so you know, what is
what in what you have in that working memory? Abstract reasoning,
flexible decision making, impulse control, executive function, and my favorite,
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which is metacognition. And metacognition I think is critical. Right,
that's the ability to project in the future what you
want your future self to become. Now, there's a distinct
argument that many, many philosophical philosophers or psychologists or whatever
that they taught theologians talk about in very heavily laden
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in Christendom. In what Christ's word tells us is that, no, man,
I'm going to imagine myself in the future. Why am
I here? I am here in the future to become
this person. I am this person right now. I think
I know what I am right now, and I'm here
because in the future I'm going to become this person
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and that person. I want to be this right, These
these things, these values, these virtues, these foundational ideas, right
that I'm learning through life experience, from reading, from writing,
from going on adventures to the things that I am
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out of control of the relationships I'm in the influence
I accept all these external components.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
And so what does that do? That shapes what that shapes.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Your own reality. And as you begin to pursue to
make that reality into something that becomes real, what are
we in We're in all of a sudden, we're facing
this war every day, right, We're facing this war between
ourselves cognitively and in our emotional reaction. Now, I'm not
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going to argue that, you know, oh I can when
it comes to certain decisions, I'm completely objectionable and I'm
just like, shut up.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
It's not possible.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Every decision that you make, and you know this, you
know this, Every decision you make is based on an
emotional thought, right, that's and and that thought is a
is a confluence of what different experiences that come together
because you want to uh feel or have the sensation
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of or imagine, right, some ideation of of of of success.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
And and then the counterpoint to that is failure.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Right. And you can articulate this as joy or fear
right of the because as we break it into the
emotions to understand that, right, you've got the emotion on
the emotion wheel, and these core eight emotions, which is trust, fear, surprise, sadness, discuss, anger, anticipation,
and joy. And that was developed by doctor Robert Pluck
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Pluck check back in the day. And so obviously you
know you have these definitive things that are at the
core of motivation, right, But on the other side, you
have this ability that you can think critically. Right, But
the test is how do you induct or induce critical
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thinking in those in every environment imaginable and whether you're
in the storm or you're in the elation point right.
And so you know, the idea behind critical thinking is
it's the active, persistent, and careful consideration of any belief
or supposed form of knowledge in the light of the
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grounds that support it and the further conclusions to which
it tend trends. Right. And that's by doctor John Dewey.
So you have your cognitive and emotional war taking place,
all right, So what do we do? We we were
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trying to figure all this stuff out every single day
that we wake up and we launch. Now, you know,
one of the things, the number one thing that I
believe that impedes us from truly seeking or creating the
reality that we want for ourselves, right, the outcome that
we're trying to manifest every day, and and that's pain.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And and to always quote one of my favorite guys
out there, love him or hate them, whatever, care, guy's
brilliant is doctor Jordan Peterson. And one of my favorite
quotes that he has is, you can't argue your way
out of pain, no matter what. Right. This construct of
pain is the thing that is going to govern you.
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And if you read enough scripture, particularly the Old Testament,
uh and and recognize that how angry God can get
with us, you realize that no matter what, uh you know,
life is in viewed with pain and suffering. It's just
the part of it. It just is what it is.
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And the great irony and all of this is as
you begin to use that metacognition, you begin to contemplate
who you could actually become. The loftier the goal, right,
or the higher the ambition, the more likelihood that you're
going to have to endure the greatest amount of pain.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
It's just built into it.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Hell, you know, I got I've references several times, and
I've been interviewed it in shows I've done in the
past where I talk about, Man, you know, I knew
Buds was going to be hard, but I didn't know
it was going to be like that, And probably had
I really been able to quantify the magnitude of the
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way I felt in Wednesday of Hell Week, where I
wanted to quit right desperately because of how much pain
I was in in that moment.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Thank God, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
One of my brothers, my boat crew leader, Adam, was
like man, don't quit right now, wait till after this
and that was that was a powerful moment for me.
And so you know, you're not going to argue your
way out of pain.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
So what do you do?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
You have to restructure perception of it. And and so
what that's what frog logic is, is is what I
hope to do. And so you know, there's been many
different approaches to this functionality. And obviously I don't want
to reinvent any wheel or tryad as I describe it,
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or foundation or whatever however you want to think about it.
But like you know, obviously, you know, I think about
it in terms of this triad, and that's the mind, body,
and the spirit and emotions encapsulated into that spirit. And
so you know, at the base of this this pyramid,
this phallic symbol, right, that is you know, you know,
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exemplified and pretty much every structure that man has built
since the dawn of time. Right.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
There's a reason for.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
That, right, because there's this a priori hierarchy of how
we perceive the world, right, And if we build something
along those lines metaphorically we can it causes a direction.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
It's directional, right, And.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
You know, and then you've got the female, the inversion
of that, which is you know, the womb and all
that stuff. And God, Man, I read this crazy book
about the history of religious symbols and rituals man, and
you know, it goes all the way back as far
as anything that we have that could be studied. And
it's remarkable that these this constructive idea of ascension is
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really what we build the development of our our future
reality upon. And so I just all right, I'm not
going to change that. I can't because it's ingrained, it's imbued,
and how human beings, in particular men think, So what
is it? It's the body of the mind. So right,
how do we develop the body and the mind to
where we can ascend to the highest order of emotional
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and spiritual capacity, where the pain of life is not going.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
To destroy us.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
And so that was my foundation of how I brought
all this together. And as I said in the in
the in the Other show, as first it emerged as
I wanted to utilize the concept of self confidence, and
then out of self confidence, team life emerge, and then
in fear emerged, and then ultimately the idea of purpose emerged.
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And so that's really the system that I chose right
as as inside of this triangle.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Right, this, this this.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Foundation that you build upon is is first and foremost
the most consequential emotion, negative emotion that we have to
manage day in and day out, and that's fear. Right,
And so that's kind of this base that you build
your foundation on is to understand or embrace your fear. Now, remember,
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as I built this all it's it's it's it's sequential.
And you'll see this if you ever, you know, if
we're fortunate enough to where you listen to this and
you you are intrigued, they're curious about what I'm saying.
You know, we have these courses that we do have
available out there through our website. And so what I
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wanted to do is, as I built these courses out,
you would go through one course, get that dialed in,
then you go through the next course, and the next course,
and the next course. And the way I broke each
course down obviously it's not obviously you haven't seen it yet,
but the way I broke it down was that there
they're built out in missions. So the process is a
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mission or a training module, and then underneath that there's
four sub steps to help build on the mission, and
you can do this, it's preferred you do it. Like
if let's say there's one mission is a month, right,
so the introduction to the core idea, and then each
step is a week. You take a week on ey
each step, and then you move on to the next one. Right.
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So it's essentially each mission is a four week period
to maximize the capacity within that particular training module, right,
And that goes across all twenty two missions that encapsulate
the core of what the frog logic concept again, which
I said is fear first and foremost, second is self confidence,
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third is team orientation, and then four is meaning in purpose, right,
and so what's up team? I've been writing for over
forty years. Finally I've decided to bring to life a
character that has been on my heart since my experiences
of carrying a gun for a living. If you recently
watched my episode with my best friend on his show,
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The Sean Ryan Show, you heard some of my real
world experiences that shape this character and the story of
The Poet Warrior. Can a poet's soul survive the crucible
of war? The Poet Warrior follows Adam Ferguson a reclusive
teenage artist haunted by his father's early death. As he
transforms into a battlescarred Navy seal through the chaos of
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combat in the shadow of nine to eleven, Adam grapples
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the turbulent dawn of the global War on Terror. This
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poetic heart and the hardened warrior he's become. If this
sounds like a story that might pull you in, please
visit my website at David Rutherford dot com or click
the link in the description below, and if you pre
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Thank you very much and godspeed. You know when you
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again with embracing fear, you know the truth of it
is that you cannot defeat fear. It's a It's a
part of us on on a biblical level, it's a
part part of us on a physiological level. It's a
part of us in in every way, shape or form,
right from the fact that we have dedicated uh neurocircuitry
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for snakes proofs uh. You know uh categorically that however,
you look at how we got here, however you break
it down, whether you're evolutionary biology or you're a belief
in the creation of God's divine intervention to give us
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that consciousness in the form that we are right now,
whatever that time is. You know, however you want to
look at it right Fear is a major player in
all of those things, and so you can't defeat it.
There's no such thing as fearless. Yes, there are people
that have had in head injuries or some bizarre thing.
They have underdeveloped amigdalas or hippocampuses that were low blood
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float to those areas for whatever reason, and so there's
it can be muted or or or subdued in some
capacity in some context through through head injuries. It can
you know, you can have profound impacts on how you
manage that or or how you you sense fear and
in the importance of it. So it's a part of us, right,
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you know, and you know the beauty of the knowing
that is that you are wired to survive. And that
was a real unique thing for me to come up
with in particular. Like I mean, I remember being in
training and I would just be riveted with fear, and
I'd look over to buddy next to me and they'd
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be like, yeah, dude, this is awesome, right. And you know,
one of those guys which I found fascinating in my
boat crew in hell week was Rob O'Neill, you know,
and and and you know, Rob god bless. Whether it
was too dumb to know how painful it was or
which I believe that was not the case. I believe
he was just hard and he had this great ability
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to just look at the pain as a shaping component
of what he was chose to become a part of,
Like he had gained control of that perspective in a
really unique way.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
And there are many many.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Others around me that I saw do this that I
you know, I'm just blown away by, you know, guys
that serve for for many many years that I was
just overwhelmed with with their their strength and who they
and they are and they've all many of those people
have gone on to distinguish themselves at the highest hoort.
And I saw it when I was an instructor too.
That was the thing I was looking for. That was
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the thing that I looked for in my private coaching clients.
Now I look for that spark, that ability in you,
you know, in that hard moment, can you can you
shift it around? Can you find the motivation in the
pain itself? Because as that fear emerges, is that's what
gets in the way for us, right, you know? And
and and on top of that that wiring, you're also
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in recognition that guess what, man, you've been taught fear
your whole life as well too. I mean, from day one,
you're taught don't touch that, or don't look, don't look
both ways before you cross the street, you know, don't
you know, don't don't don't talk to strange. You know.
My beautiful daughters, they've recited the they've memorized these twenty
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two life missions and and these missions are are you know,
hopefully will become a default setting at some point when
they're mature enough to be in a particular environment and
they're like, oh, oh, mission number one. Safety first is
is is the environment I'm about ready to move into?
Am I thinking about it from a safety perspective?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
That was mission number one. Mission number four don't.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Go near weirdos, right, you know, you know, am, I'm
I'm walking into this environment and I'm looking around. I've
got high essay or situational learn that dude looks jacked up, right,
they're they're they're able to profile based on this indoctrination
and a being you're going to be afraid.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Of no matter what.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
But in a healthy amount of fear is good because
it keeps you aware, it keeps you on your toes right,
and then how you know, Mission thirteen is embrace your fear.
So it's like, hopefully at some point they will be like,
all right, well what does this one mean? And I'll
be like, well, let me just show you step one
right mission one, and I'll have the opportunity or they'll
do it on then themselves. But what is my intention
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is to provoke them to say, hey, it's okay. You're
going to be afraid naturally, and I want you to
be afraid because you need to be afraid because there's
certain things in this life that are dangerous. There are
people that are dangerous, there are situations that are dangerous.
It is inescapable help man just spend five seconds looking
at what's taking place in the world around us right now.
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I mean it's a scary world we you know, just
had the President, in response to the president the form
President of Ussia made a nuclear threat. And what President Trump,
he has parked two nuclear submarines off the coast of Russia.
Now if that doesn't make you afraid, I don't know what. Well, right, So,
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how are we going to manage that? Well? We have
to learn to embrace that fear. And there is a
system that I that we've come up with and how to.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Do that, all right.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
The second one, once your fear, once you once you understand,
accept and are willing to train yourself, expose yourself to
fear and then be able to live with courage in
your life to utilize fear as that motivational tool in
that war against pain, right, that you can use it
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to propel you forward. But before you do that, what
do we have to do next? Is you have to
really get your self confidence dialed in. Right. Most people
believe that self confidence is an innate thing, and I
completely disagree with that in every facet. Like you know,
I have so many adults that come up to me
and they're if I give this talk or whatever and
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They'll be like, you know, hey, Rod, I really wish
that my sixteen year old son was hit there to
hear you, you know, hear this story. And I'd be like, well,
how about you? You know how to do for you?
And then you know, they kind of look around, make
sure nobody's around, and like, yeah, man, I needed that.
I was getting my butt kicked at work recently. My
self confidence was shattered. I lost a couple of big clients.
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You know, I'm not sure what to do. You know,
the technology is advancing faster than I can keep up with.
I don't know how to market to younger people. Like man,
I'm struggling. Self confidence is under attack by that negative insurgency.
So here's the deal. Here's the truth. Self confidence is
not absolute, nor will it ever be. In fact, it's
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one of the things that we that embodies us as
human beings that is the most fragile. Think about the
last time in your life that you were betrayed, right,
what did that do to your self confidence? And I'm
willing to bet it shattered you into a million pieces,
as it has for me on many occasions. And that's
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just how we are, right, We get knocked down every
single day. But the problem is is most people don't
have a dedicated set of tools or a system or
a processor or a formula that gets us back together,
or even a group of people man like a tribe
that you can lean on to help rebuild you. And
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that's a powerful, powerful, powerful thing right that you can
begin to rebuild yourself in with a formula process that
works right. And the other thing of that is is
that if you aren't sure what to do, you can
simply pick one aspect of those that for foundational or
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that triad right if you want to look at it,
this right, that directional thing right, physically, mentally, spiritually, emotionally right.
And the greater emotional comprehension that you have or emotional
intelligence that leads yourself to be a truly definitive warrior
for God right to put that armor of love of
God around you man. If you can, if you can
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walk through life with the armor of God on man,
you can you can tackle any challenge, no matter how
big or how small. And so when you think about
the truth of forging that self confidence on that anvil, right,
it is forging yourself physically, mentally, emost like I just
had a person reach out to me just the other day,
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going through some heaviness. I said, first and foremost, what
I want you to do is just start peteeing every day.
I don't care what you do. Wake up and just
go walk four miles. I don't care, don't don't.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Just do that. And what will happen After a week
or two or three weeks.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
He'll start this body will react to it, It'll start
to feel that strength throughout the day. It'll lift up
his mood, the endorphins, all the other physiological stuff, plus
the mental focus that he is able to get up
every day in the face of the insurgency and beat
it back a little bit by simply walking.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
That's how basic this is, right, because ultimately there are
two types of people. There are people as it relates
to specific skill sets and your performance or what you
want to achieve your ambition. The dream is people who
are willing to go get trained on something and those
who don't want to receive training. Because if you don't
have training or you don't engage in training, you're just
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winging it. And yeah, there are some people that have
the aptitude who can figure that stuff out, but most
of us, we need dedicated and focused training to be
able to do this right, you know. And the other
component is that And the last truth within that idea
is you've got to love to train, and you've got
to train to fail, So you have to love to fail. Now, again,
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this is a very difficult thing. I get in front
of three hundred people and I'll ask the question.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
I'll be like, who loves to fail? In the room?
Speaker 2 (39:02):
You know, in inevitably there might be one person because
they're all alpha people and they all want to be
successful business people whatever, and this is the one person.
And I'll be like, all right, you know, where did
you learn that? And many times it'll be somebody that
grew up and their dad was a you know, a
marine drill instructor, or their father was a police officer,
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or their mother was a teacher and taught them this
invaluable skill. Because what happens when failure emerges to our self?
What happens to our self confidence when we fail? It's challenged?
And what's your option? You can either be humble and
have that humility inspire you, right, create that motivation to
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over to embrace that fear of like, man, I don't know,
I'm not what I thought I was the moment before.
Right now, all of a sudden, you really don't know
who you what you are, what you thought you were.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
And then what do you do?
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Well? You utilize that failure to go find the training
to rectify that gap in your knowledge base and your
physicality whatever it might be, and that pushes you forward
and by doing that, re engaging self confidence clims. It's
that simple. It really is that simple, I'm telling you
all right. So, once your fear is dialed in and
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you can manage that with effectively lived with courage with it,
then you have a good system for when your self
confidence is getting knocked down, you build it back up.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
The next thing is, now you're ready to go out
and really become a part of a team or tribe,
whatever you want to describe it. And the truth is
nobody does it alone. Ever, It's just not we need
help our whole lives, right, and if we don't have
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those dedicated swim buddies in our lives, then what are
we We're you know, we're by ourselves. And there's been
conclusion of evidence that that says people who live in
an isolated state in whatever capacity, uh, they develop really
substantial challenges in their in their psychology right, or their
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personality disorders emerge and all these other things, and and
that isolationism is horrific for the human condition. And so
what do we need that that prompts us to always
want to go integrate into that existence. And that's why
it's so critical, Like when we're children, you know, you'd
be able to, you know, socialize your children to where
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they can go out and play the game with as
many and as many different iterations as possible. Right, And
that's why sports are such a beautiful thing, or playing
in a band is such a beautiful thing, or or
or going to a camp, a summer camp or whatever,
because what do we have to do. We have to
learn how to function with each other in the development
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of those relationships. And we you know, there's there's I
don't think I've ever had a person, you know, confront
me on the statement that, you know, the essence of
a highly functional individual is a person who can integrate
with other people to find common ground and achieve a
particular mission, right by infusing the uniqueness of their personalities.
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And there's collective skill sets together to accomplish the task, right,
because and then the other aspect. If you're lucky, if
you're courageous enough, you can embrace that fear enough, and
you're self confident enough, you can join a team that's
doing great things. And you want to feel fulfilled, like
you want to feel big. You want to feel purpose
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driven in your life and join a team that's doing
big things right and where the mission is bigger than yourself.
And that's what we have to have in this life.
You have to recognize that the mission is bigger than
you and if that mission is bigger than you, man,
it gets you out of day, It gets you out
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of bed every day, and it enables you to embrace
that fear no matter how scary it's going to be,
because you know your confidence. It's worth it to build
up your confidence every day to get back in the
fight with those people who are on the left and
the right to you. As my unbelievable one of my
closest friends, mister Dan Cirello, used to say shoulder to shoulder,
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shield to shield, and that was a reference from ancient Sparta,
but he lived that, he believed it, and I had
the great fortunate to be next to him in many
different capacities and he's truly missed, but he helped me
really understand that the mission is bigger than you.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
And when it's.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
There, then it's what it's then the willingness to communicate
your intent with the people around you that you love,
that you love most, and to be a leader of
love right or to lead with love. And if you
can lead with love in your heart or follow someone
who's leading with love in their heart. Man, Now you
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know you're part of something that's elite, something that's unique,
something that's different, and that's why it's so critical to
understand how to become a part of what is an
elite team, you know, and and we have a system
in place to be able to teach you to do that.
And then finally, the ultimate is is that you end
up being able to live a life of purpose or
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to live with purpose.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Now, what is it?
Speaker 2 (44:29):
The truth of purpose is you know you're not going
to find it without going to search for it. Now,
a lot of people believe that purpose finds you right
whether you stumble into it or you know, you go down,
you pick up a job and then you hate that job,
and that you move over to this and through some
random sequence, and next thing you know, you're you come
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together and all of a sudden, then your purpose emerges
out of out of God's divine touch or influence. Right,
But it's much more attainable if you go seek it
out like you seek something, and that that search, right,
it's it's it initiates with those those very intense questions
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who am I?
Speaker 1 (45:12):
And why am I here? Like? Who am I? Why?
Speaker 2 (45:14):
What is going to make me a viable candidate for
people wanting to be a part, letting me into their
tribe or being part of my tribe? Right?
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Who am I? Why I'm here?
Speaker 2 (45:25):
That in and of itself, you could spend your entire
life searching that out the answers to that, as I
hope you have, and I know everybody listening right now
has done that. You've asked yourself that you're like, well,
what am I supposed to.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Do in my life? I don't know?
Speaker 2 (45:42):
And I asked this question more than any other question,
you know, and and I you know, I typically get
four answers, and one is my purpose is to serve
my family, which is awesome, brilliant. Of course, purpose can
emerge out of that, right in particularly if you have children,
or a spouse, and you're dedicated to them, you want
them to be fulfilled. And because that that in and
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of itself, you dedicate your life where your purpose is
your family.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Man, Just you're ahead of the game, right right. The
other one is is altruism in nature.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
I wanna you know, I I I I want to
leave the world a better place, I mean awesome, all right,
figure out what what specific.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Thing you want to do that. I mean that that
in and of itself too.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
The third which is probably one of the most powerful
and one of the things that's influenced me at the
highest order after I uh, you know, started to realize
the fourth one, but is you know, to serve God
or to be spiritual, to have you know, to really
conjure up the necessity and faith in people right and
to drop those seeds in life, and to be apostolic
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in nature man, to serve Christ. Well, man, you you
want to have purpose, just go do that and it's beautiful,
I love. And then the final one is most a
lot of people, especially young people. I don't know what
my purpose is. And trust me, I understand that I
was in that spot at twenty two years old, in
my fourth year in college.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
I was lost. I was a lost soul. I had
no idea.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
And you know, through my first real big God moment,
God said, well, you know, I think you should go
try and become a navy seal.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Good God.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
I wish he had told me something else, but that
was the one that stuck with me. But and so
what was it? I had to go search my purpose out.
And that's what I'm talking about, right.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
And here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
If you're doing it right, it's going to be painful,
but that pain is going to be positive pain. It's
going to be the positive application of pain that forces
adaptation and change and assimilation and growth. Every single day
that you feel that that wins, that moan, that struggle,
that fatigue, you're growing out of that. And then the
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real truth beyond that is that if you're not sure,
then just start by putting other people ahead of yourself
to serve others. And you know that the truth lies
within each step you'll ever take, by by giving the
most valuable thing you have in your life, which is time,
because you don't know when your endpoint is going to be.
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And trust me as a person that has felt like
I flirted with that endpoint multiple times. It's really every
step that you get to take towards serving someone else. Man,
it makes it makes purpose tangible, like you feel it.
And that's not the idea that I'm going to give
somebody something and have an expectation that I want that
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you know, the gratification of that you're going to give
me something back, although that's what the healthiest relationships are.
They're reciprocal in nature. The game is equitable on each side.
But man, you want to serve, you know above all others,
is you just know, give people that unconditional love and
that man, that that will take you to another level.
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And really right, true purpose requires for you to love
the idea of sacrifice. You know.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
I it's.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
It's difficult for me to just stop for a moment.
I think about I think about people like Jason Freewall
who died on September eleventh, two thousand and eight, and
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what he sacrificed. That's purpose. I mean, we have this
idea from my world that the only easy day was yesterday,
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and now I know that's been battered and hammered and
almost become kind of comedic. In particular, if you were
to ask my my Green Beret friends, or my Ranger
buddies or my mar soccer marine buddies. You know, the
only easy day was yesterday, you know. And they bust
my chops for this. But man, there's a lot of
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truth to that. In particular, if if you're trying to
live this higher order life, you're trying to have real meaning,
genuine meaning and focus and determination and trying to figure out.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Who you are.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
And I think that's why, you know, the idea of
the bell for us represents so much. You know, we
in our training we have this bell. You know. I
used to think of it as like the bell was
this god awful thing. This it was this like its
own entity, and you'd run on the grinder every day
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and you'd kind of side eye it, you know, as
you'd run by with your swim buddy or your teammates,
and you'd be like, don't look at it, don't look
at it.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
You know.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
But then that thing you'd be in the middle of
some day, man, and you'd hear that thing ring three times.
And that's what the instructor's staff would do. That was protocol.
If you decided that the program wasn't for you, it
wasn't right for you. Then you would go up and
you would ring that bell three times, and that would signify, hey,
I'm I'm done with this right now. I'm you know,
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I the idea of you know, I quit this, you know,
that's what we we would say, and that's what it is,
is I'm quitting this because the intensity is too much,
it's not right for me.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
I just don't want to do this. So you ring
that bell, you.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Know that dong dong right, and man, you'd hear that
wherever you were and you almost like you feel that
shutter come down your spine, and you know there's a
certain point or attitude. And a lot of people that
was like, man, good, good riddance. Get out of here.
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We don't want you. If you can't hack it, we
don't want you. This is not a game. We're going
to combat, we're going to war. People are going to
die if you can't hack it. Get out of here.
But for me, man, I had so many guys I
knew ring out It was like, god, man, that's such
a heavy thing. They're they're they're willfully ending this pursuit
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of their dream. And so the bell what it represents,
and so I use it quite a bit. Metaphorically. We
all have the bell on our shoulder, just right there
all day, every day. We can ring that bell if
we want, and we can, we can move on or
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whatever task it is we can. We cannot ring that
bell if we choose to, if we choose to, and
that's what I have tried to do. That's what I
have dedicated thirty years of my life is to create
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some kind of program, some kind of system, some kind
of process that can help you figure out how to
ring that bell. So again, I appreciate all of you.
I can't thank you enough for just listening and paying
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attention and for watching me and being on this journey
with me, and for all those new listeners that I have,
and I just I'm overwhelmed. I'm grateful that you would
even take two seconds out of your day to listen
to me on this thing, or to.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Just not ring the bell. So thank you, God, bless
you
What's up, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I am fired up on this show to really introduce
kind of the core idea behind my training philosophy, how
I approach teaching people, how I approach the overall development
of the individual as it relates to this unbelievable long
(00:25):
term quest that I've had within the human condition to
try and understand what drives success or what initiates failure
from an individual level and a team level. And obviously
my background as a seal, a medic, an instructor and
operator at Blackwater, at the agency, as a motivational performance
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coach for professional and collegiate athletes, and then working with
you know, hundreds of different businesses from Fortune five hundred
companies all the way down to mom and pop shops
across the country. These this is kind of the formula
or the foundation that I believe impacts people's performance so
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they can really not only kind of face the great
challenges of their lives, but really, you know, come together
and accomplish a mission orientation that they hope for. And
I call all of this the frog logic concepts. Now,
if you've ever seen my original logo, it's it's the
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frog and the brain. Hopefully you've you've seen it on
Jordie's hat that he wears religiously. So Jordie, I can't
thank you enough for being a shameless promoter of frog Logic.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
So thank you, sir. I think this is literally the
only hat I wear now.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
So when Jordy comes on your team, he is all in,
by the way, folks, and I'm beyond below us to
have that. I really appreciate it, of course. All right,
So you know, when I'm out there given this presentation
to professionals, you know, within the financial services industry, with
whatever industry I'm talking to, this is the essentially the
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content that I deliver that I help people understand where
I'm coming from and why. Now. We did a show
recently where we talked a little bit about that evolution
and my becoming an instructor reluctantly and what I learned
and really the foundational ideas and how they emerged through
my own life experience, and you can check that show out.
(02:42):
Just go back in our repertoire there and you'll find
that show. But here I wanted to really get kind
of describe the formula and how it works, how it's
supposed to function in your life. Now, obviously there has
to be some type of predicate for that, and the
main predicate I think for any human being. And you've
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you've gone through this yourself. I know you have, each
one of you out there that's listen. I know you've
gone through this where you've you've been in that point
and you're you're in the you're in the storm or
what I call the negative insurgency, and I'll define that
here for you in a second. And you're getting pummeled,
like you're getting just the outright hell kicked out of you.
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What questions do you ask? And I think these are
the same questions that we have been thinking about for
as long as human beings have have had the the
divine concept of consciousness, and most especially self consciousness. Right,
we've been asking who am I? And why am I here?
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And I think you know you asked that question first
and foremost. As you know an individual, whether you're an athlete,
or you're a student, or you're a father or a brother,
or you're a business leader or a follower, you know,
whatever it is, you're always kind of that's the reoccurring
as you distill it all down to the foundational level,
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it's like who am I? And and then and then
it's like, you know, who am I externally as a friend,
as a teammate, as a member of society? Right? Who
am I in that relationship? And then and then obviously
who am I in terms of a person under pressure?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Who am I?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
You know, am in a in a moment where people
have to depend on me? And and in our world
it's depend on me for in a life and death situation?
Who can depend on me in a in a situation
where man I have a best friend who's an addict
or an alcoholic or struggling immeasurably, you know who am
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I for them in that moment? And then you know, obviously,
you know, the most important who am I?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Uh? For me in my life is who who I am?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Who am I as it relates to my relationship with
Jesus Christ?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
And that's the heaviest one.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
That's the one that has really been the most challenging
meat for me to not only comprehend but then live
up to that day in and day out. And so
you have these profound who am I questions? And then
and then it's like, all right, well, well why am
I here? What is the grand purpose for my being
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in whatever of those environments that you're evaluating. And you know,
we can have the forty thousand foot uh, you know,
who am I? Why am I here as a human
being on this giant spinning ball in this infinite universe?
Or who am I in this moment where I have
the capacity to do great things or even good things
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or even small things for one one person at a time.
You know that one person that is in the audience
for me that I'll never know, I'll never get a
chance to talk to. But I, somehow, some way am
able to give them a seed, if you will, and
they take that seed and they run with it, and
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they it changes their life, maybe not in a profound
revelatory experience, but maybe just one decision they're making in
that very difficult environment they're operating, and that makes a difference.
And that's why I'm here, That's why I'm on the microphone.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
That's why I'm doing what I'm doing in my life.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Why I've dedicated my life to doing this is for
to help people kind of answer that question, if you
is why am I here?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And that's what I try and help people do.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
And that's what Frog logic is all designed to do,
is to help people answer those questions who am I?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
And why am I here?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Now, obviously the number one thing that impedes us from
answering that. I call it the negative insurgency. Some people
call it, you know, moral relativism, right. Some people call
it tyrannical ideologies. Some people call it political philosophical ideology,
or wherever whatever angle it's coming from. You know, it's
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that it's that thing that wants to tear us apart.
It's that thing that's always putting that pressure on us. Right,
It's that thing that puts us on the anvil of life.
And so I describe or define the negative insurgency as
every perceived external and or internal force that ignites fear,
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which translates into inhibitive thoughts, emotions, and actions relative to
one's motivational triggers, right, because like people always want to
get in. He's like, it's crazy, man. People want to
debate me on motivation and they're like.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
You know, you don't need motivation.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Goggins doesn't need motivation, and you know, he says motivation
and I'm like, hey man, you know, David is a
brilliant motivator. But he approaches this he has motivations and
and you know, if you got to know him, and
you had to, you really were able to lead read
between those lines. Man, That dude has motivations to do
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what he does that are much deeper than you can
possibly fathom. And if you read his book and you're
able to extrapolate any capacity of that through the impact
of his traumatic childhood, you'll know what I'm talking about.
Or within your own childhood, or within your own trauma
you faced as an adult, or whatever time, you have
an innate motivation to first and foremost be able to
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process that every day, live with it every day, learn
how to compartmentalize it so it doesn't affect you, and
then you know, hopefully have the courage to be able
to stand up to it or to overcome, if you
want to talk about it in that context. So this
negative insurgency those external forces, but it's also the internal forces, right,
It's the battle you're waging up here every day when
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this thing called the motivation war, this idea that I
have that we're all waging a motivation war against ourselves
every single day. We're fighting ourselves to find that aptitude
of positivity in our lives. Right to be able to
flip perception, to restructure that perception in a way where
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the attack internally and externally is not the thing that
is victorious.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
It's not what it's doing. That's not what's shaping.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
What shapes us is our proactivity right, our desire to
search out, to go find the initiative, to go find
the thing in our lives that gives us the strength
or the fortuitousness, or the resolution, whatever adjective you want
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to use for yourself, that you place yourself on the
anvil of life and you begin whacking away.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
David Rutherford, my best friend. Welcome to the show, Sean.
Thank you for having me. It's an honor to be here.
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I have this.
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Amazing friend, absolutely young man that I've been working with
for a very long time. Almost we're coming up on
I think we're closing in on geez. He's I think
thirty four. Now we started working together when he was twelve,
so that's a long time. And he's ascended to the
very highest of achievements in a particular endeavor in his life,
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to which you know, I'm beyond proud. But what I
began to realize is when we would chat in one
of these really intense situations where he was going through
what's arguably the most difficult military training program on the
planet by far, and it's not buds, trust me, it's
something much heavier than that. And he began to share
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back things with me that I altered my perception. And
that's when I was like, oh my god, now he's
teaching me because he's gone beyond the capacity with which
I was able to teach him. Now he was and
one of the things he really was able to help
me smise or help me formulate, this metaphor that I
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used called the anvil of life.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And that's this idea.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
That pain right is is your perception of pain right.
And pain can be distributed in relatively three different easy
ways if you distill it down, it can be positive,
it can be negative, it can be neutral right, and
and that's essentially your attitude right, or or how you
invoke motivation in your life. And so he describes it
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in this capacity. Right, he helped me realize that these
these these three ideas of pain, right, that you can
be in control of this. Now, you know, he was
in this process of becoming.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
The elite of the elite within within.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Special Operations, and and and he started to describe this,
this this idea that now I know it's going to
be painful, but but that pain is a component that
makes me better. That pain is the component that makes
me stronger. And so I'm going to use that pain
to sharpen myself. I'm going to use that pain to
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sharpen my physicality. I'm going to use that pain to
sharpen my cognitive ability. I'm going to definitely use that
pain to sharp my emotional intelligence or strength. And what
I love dearly about this individual who has since really
moved into a whole other level of spirituality and his
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confidence and his quest to serve God and to serve Christ.
And he's like, man, my spiritual pain is what I
most seek in this life because I know it shapes me,
I said, shaped Christ himself. And so he gave me
this beautiful metaphor of this anvil of life. And so
that's what we have to do. Right. We have to
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take ourselves and we have to what we're predisposed of
through our own limbic response to things, right, our own
genuine sensation of of.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Biology, if you will.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Right. And and we've got this amazing limbic system. Right,
We've got the hippocampus and you're Amigdala's right. We have
reward chemicals, right, and dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin, stress hormones right,
Adrenaline and cortisol. Right. You know, you have this limbic response,
which is this core response that no matter what what
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you want is going to happen. It's just we're built
for it. It's what's enabled the human species in its
current form to survive and to thrive, right, to to
be able to go out and and and and and
conquer and reconquer our own constitution. That's a big shout
out to the the reconquistas of Northern Spain back in
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the day.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Uh, And man Raymond, just thank you. I still think
about that. He just released another uh video that's just
unbelievable about Richard.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The line hardens most.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I mean, it's just this Guy's phenomen You want to
get fired up, you want to have motivation, go go
check out Raymond Ebrahim and his work about Christendom. Right,
all right, so you have this limbic natural limbic response,
and then then you have this prefrontal cortex that is
the battle, that's where the war begins to take place.
And you know, you have these cortical neurons that are
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able to generate mental representations in the absence of sensory stimulation. Right,
this is the foundation of abstract thought. Now, a lot
of people, you know, you just don't acknowledge it because
you're you're doing this millions of times every day. You're
able to look at the the objects around you each
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and every day transform transform the ability to identify those things,
and then they become if you're motivated, they become tools.
If you're not, they become obstacles or hurdles or component
of that negative insurgency. And so you know, what is
what in what you have in that working memory? Abstract reasoning,
flexible decision making, impulse control, executive function, and my favorite,
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which is metacognition. And metacognition I think is critical. Right,
that's the ability to project in the future what you
want your future self to become. Now, there's a distinct
argument that many, many philosophical philosophers or psychologists or whatever
that they taught theologians talk about in very heavily laden
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in Christendom. In what Christ's word tells us is that, no, man,
I'm going to imagine myself in the future. Why am
I here? I am here in the future to become
this person. I am this person right now. I think
I know what I am right now, and I'm here
because in the future I'm going to become this person
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and that person. I want to be this right, These
these things, these values, these virtues, these foundational ideas, right
that I'm learning through life experience, from reading, from writing,
from going on adventures to the things that I am
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out of control of the relationships I'm in the influence
I accept all these external components.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
And so what does that do? That shapes what that shapes.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Your own reality. And as you begin to pursue to
make that reality into something that becomes real, what are
we in We're in all of a sudden, we're facing
this war every day, right, We're facing this war between
ourselves cognitively and in our emotional reaction. Now, I'm not
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going to argue that, you know, oh I can when
it comes to certain decisions, I'm completely objectionable and I'm
just like, shut up.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
It's not possible.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Every decision that you make, and you know this, you
know this, Every decision you make is based on an
emotional thought, right, that's and and that thought is a
is a confluence of what different experiences that come together
because you want to uh feel or have the sensation
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of or imagine, right, some ideation of of of of success.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
And and then the counterpoint to that is failure.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Right. And you can articulate this as joy or fear
right of the because as we break it into the
emotions to understand that, right, you've got the emotion on
the emotion wheel, and these core eight emotions, which is trust, fear, surprise, sadness, discuss, anger, anticipation,
and joy. And that was developed by doctor Robert Pluck
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Pluck check back in the day. And so obviously you
know you have these definitive things that are at the
core of motivation, right, But on the other side, you
have this ability that you can think critically. Right, But
the test is how do you induct or induce critical
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thinking in those in every environment imaginable and whether you're
in the storm or you're in the elation point right.
And so you know, the idea behind critical thinking is
it's the active, persistent, and careful consideration of any belief
or supposed form of knowledge in the light of the
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grounds that support it and the further conclusions to which
it tend trends. Right. And that's by doctor John Dewey.
So you have your cognitive and emotional war taking place,
all right, So what do we do? We we were
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trying to figure all this stuff out every single day
that we wake up and we launch. Now, you know,
one of the things, the number one thing that I
believe that impedes us from truly seeking or creating the
reality that we want for ourselves, right, the outcome that
we're trying to manifest every day, and and that's pain.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And and to always quote one of my favorite guys
out there, love him or hate them, whatever, care, guy's
brilliant is doctor Jordan Peterson. And one of my favorite
quotes that he has is, you can't argue your way
out of pain, no matter what. Right. This construct of
pain is the thing that is going to govern you.
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And if you read enough scripture, particularly the Old Testament,
uh and and recognize that how angry God can get
with us, you realize that no matter what, uh you know,
life is in viewed with pain and suffering. It's just
the part of it. It just is what it is.
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And the great irony and all of this is as
you begin to use that metacognition, you begin to contemplate
who you could actually become. The loftier the goal, right,
or the higher the ambition, the more likelihood that you're
going to have to endure the greatest amount of pain.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
It's just built into it.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Hell, you know, I got I've references several times, and
I've been interviewed it in shows I've done in the
past where I talk about, Man, you know, I knew
Buds was going to be hard, but I didn't know
it was going to be like that, And probably had
I really been able to quantify the magnitude of the
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way I felt in Wednesday of Hell Week, where I
wanted to quit right desperately because of how much pain
I was in in that moment.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Thank God, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
One of my brothers, my boat crew leader, Adam, was
like man, don't quit right now, wait till after this
and that was that was a powerful moment for me.
And so you know, you're not going to argue your
way out of pain.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
So what do you do?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
You have to restructure perception of it. And and so
what that's what frog logic is, is is what I
hope to do. And so you know, there's been many
different approaches to this functionality. And obviously I don't want
to reinvent any wheel or tryad as I describe it,
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or foundation or whatever however you want to think about it.
But like you know, obviously, you know, I think about
it in terms of this triad, and that's the mind, body,
and the spirit and emotions encapsulated into that spirit. And
so you know, at the base of this this pyramid,
this phallic symbol, right, that is you know, you know,
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exemplified and pretty much every structure that man has built
since the dawn of time. Right.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
There's a reason for.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
That, right, because there's this a priori hierarchy of how
we perceive the world, right, And if we build something
along those lines metaphorically we can it causes a direction.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
It's directional, right, And.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
You know, and then you've got the female, the inversion
of that, which is you know, the womb and all
that stuff. And God, Man, I read this crazy book
about the history of religious symbols and rituals man, and
you know, it goes all the way back as far
as anything that we have that could be studied. And
it's remarkable that these this constructive idea of ascension is
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really what we build the development of our our future
reality upon. And so I just all right, I'm not
going to change that. I can't because it's ingrained, it's imbued,
and how human beings, in particular men think, So what
is it? It's the body of the mind. So right,
how do we develop the body and the mind to
where we can ascend to the highest order of emotional
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and spiritual capacity, where the pain of life is not going.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
To destroy us.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
And so that was my foundation of how I brought
all this together. And as I said in the in
the in the Other show, as first it emerged as
I wanted to utilize the concept of self confidence, and
then out of self confidence, team life emerge, and then
in fear emerged, and then ultimately the idea of purpose emerged.
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And so that's really the system that I chose right
as as inside of this triangle.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Right, this, this this.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Foundation that you build upon is is first and foremost
the most consequential emotion, negative emotion that we have to
manage day in and day out, and that's fear. Right,
And so that's kind of this base that you build
your foundation on is to understand or embrace your fear. Now, remember,
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as I built this all it's it's it's it's sequential.
And you'll see this if you ever, you know, if
we're fortunate enough to where you listen to this and
you you are intrigued, they're curious about what I'm saying.
You know, we have these courses that we do have
available out there through our website. And so what I
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wanted to do is, as I built these courses out,
you would go through one course, get that dialed in,
then you go through the next course, and the next course,
and the next course. And the way I broke each
course down obviously it's not obviously you haven't seen it yet,
but the way I broke it down was that there
they're built out in missions. So the process is a
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mission or a training module, and then underneath that there's
four sub steps to help build on the mission, and
you can do this, it's preferred you do it. Like
if let's say there's one mission is a month, right,
so the introduction to the core idea, and then each
step is a week. You take a week on ey
each step, and then you move on to the next one. Right.
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So it's essentially each mission is a four week period
to maximize the capacity within that particular training module, right,
And that goes across all twenty two missions that encapsulate
the core of what the frog logic concept again, which
I said is fear first and foremost, second is self confidence,
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Thank you very much and godspeed. You know when you
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again with embracing fear, you know the truth of it
is that you cannot defeat fear. It's a It's a
part of us on on a biblical level, it's a
part part of us on a physiological level. It's a
part of us in in every way, shape or form,
right from the fact that we have dedicated uh neurocircuitry
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for snakes proofs uh. You know uh categorically that however,
you look at how we got here, however you break
it down, whether you're evolutionary biology or you're a belief
in the creation of God's divine intervention to give us
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that consciousness in the form that we are right now,
whatever that time is. You know, however you want to
look at it right Fear is a major player in
all of those things, and so you can't defeat it.
There's no such thing as fearless. Yes, there are people
that have had in head injuries or some bizarre thing.
They have underdeveloped amigdalas or hippocampuses that were low blood
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float to those areas for whatever reason, and so there's
it can be muted or or or subdued in some
capacity in some context through through head injuries. It can
you know, you can have profound impacts on how you
manage that or or how you you sense fear and
in the importance of it. So it's a part of us, right,
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you know, and you know the beauty of the knowing
that is that you are wired to survive. And that
was a real unique thing for me to come up
with in particular. Like I mean, I remember being in
training and I would just be riveted with fear, and
I'd look over to buddy next to me and they'd
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be like, yeah, dude, this is awesome, right. And you know,
one of those guys which I found fascinating in my
boat crew in hell week was Rob O'Neill, you know,
and and and you know, Rob god bless. Whether it
was too dumb to know how painful it was or
which I believe that was not the case. I believe
he was just hard and he had this great ability
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to just look at the pain as a shaping component
of what he was chose to become a part of,
Like he had gained control of that perspective in a
really unique way.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
And there are many many.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Others around me that I saw do this that I
you know, I'm just blown away by, you know, guys
that serve for for many many years that I was
just overwhelmed with with their their strength and who they
and they are and they've all many of those people
have gone on to distinguish themselves at the highest hoort.
And I saw it when I was an instructor too.
That was the thing I was looking for. That was
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the thing that I looked for in my private coaching clients.
Now I look for that spark, that ability in you,
you know, in that hard moment, can you can you
shift it around? Can you find the motivation in the
pain itself? Because as that fear emerges, is that's what
gets in the way for us, right, you know? And
and and on top of that that wiring, you're also
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in recognition that guess what, man, you've been taught fear
your whole life as well too. I mean, from day one,
you're taught don't touch that, or don't look, don't look
both ways before you cross the street, you know, don't
you know, don't don't don't talk to strange. You know.
My beautiful daughters, they've recited the they've memorized these twenty
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two life missions and and these missions are are you know,
hopefully will become a default setting at some point when
they're mature enough to be in a particular environment and
they're like, oh, oh, mission number one. Safety first is
is is the environment I'm about ready to move into?
Am I thinking about it from a safety perspective?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
That was mission number one. Mission number four don't.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Go near weirdos, right, you know, you know, am, I'm
I'm walking into this environment and I'm looking around. I've
got high essay or situational learn that dude looks jacked up, right,
they're they're they're able to profile based on this indoctrination
and a being you're going to be afraid.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Of no matter what.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
But in a healthy amount of fear is good because
it keeps you aware, it keeps you on your toes right,
and then how you know, Mission thirteen is embrace your fear.
So it's like, hopefully at some point they will be like,
all right, well what does this one mean? And I'll
be like, well, let me just show you step one
right mission one, and I'll have the opportunity or they'll
do it on then themselves. But what is my intention
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is to provoke them to say, hey, it's okay. You're
going to be afraid naturally, and I want you to
be afraid because you need to be afraid because there's
certain things in this life that are dangerous. There are
people that are dangerous, there are situations that are dangerous.
It is inescapable help man just spend five seconds looking
at what's taking place in the world around us right now.
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I mean it's a scary world we you know, just
had the President, in response to the president the form
President of Ussia made a nuclear threat. And what President Trump,
he has parked two nuclear submarines off the coast of Russia.
Now if that doesn't make you afraid, I don't know what. Well, right, So,
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how are we going to manage that? Well? We have
to learn to embrace that fear. And there is a
system that I that we've come up with and how to.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Do that, all right.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
The second one, once your fear, once you once you understand,
accept and are willing to train yourself, expose yourself to
fear and then be able to live with courage in
your life to utilize fear as that motivational tool in
that war against pain, right, that you can use it
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to propel you forward. But before you do that, what
do we have to do next? Is you have to
really get your self confidence dialed in. Right. Most people
believe that self confidence is an innate thing, and I
completely disagree with that in every facet. Like you know,
I have so many adults that come up to me
and they're if I give this talk or whatever and
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They'll be like, you know, hey, Rod, I really wish
that my sixteen year old son was hit there to
hear you, you know, hear this story. And I'd be like, well,
how about you? You know how to do for you?
And then you know, they kind of look around, make
sure nobody's around, and like, yeah, man, I needed that.
I was getting my butt kicked at work recently. My
self confidence was shattered. I lost a couple of big clients.
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You know, I'm not sure what to do. You know,
the technology is advancing faster than I can keep up with.
I don't know how to market to younger people. Like man,
I'm struggling. Self confidence is under attack by that negative insurgency.
So here's the deal. Here's the truth. Self confidence is
not absolute, nor will it ever be. In fact, it's
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one of the things that we that embodies us as
human beings that is the most fragile. Think about the
last time in your life that you were betrayed, right,
what did that do to your self confidence? And I'm
willing to bet it shattered you into a million pieces,
as it has for me on many occasions. And that's
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just how we are, right, We get knocked down every
single day. But the problem is is most people don't
have a dedicated set of tools or a system or
a processor or a formula that gets us back together,
or even a group of people man like a tribe
that you can lean on to help rebuild you. And
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that's a powerful, powerful, powerful thing right that you can
begin to rebuild yourself in with a formula process that
works right. And the other thing of that is is
that if you aren't sure what to do, you can
simply pick one aspect of those that for foundational or
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that triad right if you want to look at it,
this right, that directional thing right, physically, mentally, spiritually, emotionally right.
And the greater emotional comprehension that you have or emotional
intelligence that leads yourself to be a truly definitive warrior
for God right to put that armor of love of
God around you man. If you can, if you can
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walk through life with the armor of God on man,
you can you can tackle any challenge, no matter how
big or how small. And so when you think about
the truth of forging that self confidence on that anvil, right,
it is forging yourself physically, mentally, emost like I just
had a person reach out to me just the other day,
(37:35):
going through some heaviness. I said, first and foremost, what
I want you to do is just start peteeing every day.
I don't care what you do. Wake up and just
go walk four miles. I don't care, don't don't.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Just do that. And what will happen After a week
or two or three weeks.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
He'll start this body will react to it, It'll start
to feel that strength throughout the day. It'll lift up
his mood, the endorphins, all the other physiological stuff, plus
the mental focus that he is able to get up
every day in the face of the insurgency and beat
it back a little bit by simply walking.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
That's how basic this is, right, because ultimately there are
two types of people. There are people as it relates
to specific skill sets and your performance or what you
want to achieve your ambition. The dream is people who
are willing to go get trained on something and those
who don't want to receive training. Because if you don't
have training or you don't engage in training, you're just
(38:29):
winging it. And yeah, there are some people that have
the aptitude who can figure that stuff out, but most
of us, we need dedicated and focused training to be
able to do this right, you know. And the other
component is that And the last truth within that idea
is you've got to love to train, and you've got
to train to fail, So you have to love to fail. Now, again,
(38:53):
this is a very difficult thing. I get in front
of three hundred people and I'll ask the question.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
I'll be like, who loves to fail? In the room?
Speaker 2 (39:02):
You know, in inevitably there might be one person because
they're all alpha people and they all want to be
successful business people whatever, and this is the one person.
And I'll be like, all right, you know, where did
you learn that? And many times it'll be somebody that
grew up and their dad was a you know, a
marine drill instructor, or their father was a police officer,
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or their mother was a teacher and taught them this
invaluable skill. Because what happens when failure emerges to our self?
What happens to our self confidence when we fail? It's challenged?
And what's your option? You can either be humble and
have that humility inspire you, right, create that motivation to
(39:46):
over to embrace that fear of like, man, I don't know,
I'm not what I thought I was the moment before.
Right now, all of a sudden, you really don't know
who you what you are, what you thought you were.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
And then what do you do?
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Well? You utilize that failure to go find the training
to rectify that gap in your knowledge base and your
physicality whatever it might be, and that pushes you forward
and by doing that, re engaging self confidence clims. It's
that simple. It really is that simple, I'm telling you
all right. So, once your fear is dialed in and
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you can manage that with effectively lived with courage with it,
then you have a good system for when your self
confidence is getting knocked down, you build it back up.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
The next thing is, now you're ready to go out
and really become a part of a team or tribe,
whatever you want to describe it. And the truth is
nobody does it alone. Ever, It's just not we need
help our whole lives, right, and if we don't have
(40:49):
those dedicated swim buddies in our lives, then what are
we We're you know, we're by ourselves. And there's been
conclusion of evidence that that says people who live in
an isolated state in whatever capacity, uh, they develop really
substantial challenges in their in their psychology right, or their
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personality disorders emerge and all these other things, and and
that isolationism is horrific for the human condition. And so
what do we need that that prompts us to always
want to go integrate into that existence. And that's why
it's so critical, Like when we're children, you know, you'd
be able to, you know, socialize your children to where
(41:34):
they can go out and play the game with as
many and as many different iterations as possible. Right, And
that's why sports are such a beautiful thing, or playing
in a band is such a beautiful thing, or or
or going to a camp, a summer camp or whatever,
because what do we have to do. We have to
learn how to function with each other in the development
(41:55):
of those relationships. And we you know, there's there's I
don't think I've ever had a person, you know, confront
me on the statement that, you know, the essence of
a highly functional individual is a person who can integrate
with other people to find common ground and achieve a
particular mission, right by infusing the uniqueness of their personalities.
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And there's collective skill sets together to accomplish the task, right,
because and then the other aspect. If you're lucky, if
you're courageous enough, you can embrace that fear enough, and
you're self confident enough, you can join a team that's
doing great things. And you want to feel fulfilled, like
you want to feel big. You want to feel purpose
(42:41):
driven in your life and join a team that's doing
big things right and where the mission is bigger than yourself.
And that's what we have to have in this life.
You have to recognize that the mission is bigger than
you and if that mission is bigger than you, man,
it gets you out of day, It gets you out
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of bed every day, and it enables you to embrace
that fear no matter how scary it's going to be,
because you know your confidence. It's worth it to build
up your confidence every day to get back in the
fight with those people who are on the left and
the right to you. As my unbelievable one of my
closest friends, mister Dan Cirello, used to say shoulder to shoulder,
(43:23):
shield to shield, and that was a reference from ancient Sparta,
but he lived that, he believed it, and I had
the great fortunate to be next to him in many
different capacities and he's truly missed, but he helped me
really understand that the mission is bigger than you.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
And when it's.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
There, then it's what it's then the willingness to communicate
your intent with the people around you that you love,
that you love most, and to be a leader of
love right or to lead with love. And if you
can lead with love in your heart or follow someone
who's leading with love in their heart. Man, Now you
(44:03):
know you're part of something that's elite, something that's unique,
something that's different, and that's why it's so critical to
understand how to become a part of what is an
elite team, you know, and and we have a system
in place to be able to teach you to do that.
And then finally, the ultimate is is that you end
up being able to live a life of purpose or
(44:25):
to live with purpose.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Now, what is it?
Speaker 2 (44:29):
The truth of purpose is you know you're not going
to find it without going to search for it. Now,
a lot of people believe that purpose finds you right
whether you stumble into it or you know, you go down,
you pick up a job and then you hate that job,
and that you move over to this and through some
random sequence, and next thing you know, you're you come
(44:52):
together and all of a sudden, then your purpose emerges
out of out of God's divine touch or influence. Right,
But it's much more attainable if you go seek it
out like you seek something, and that that search, right,
it's it's it initiates with those those very intense questions
(45:12):
who am I?
Speaker 1 (45:12):
And why am I here? Like? Who am I? Why?
Speaker 2 (45:14):
What is going to make me a viable candidate for
people wanting to be a part, letting me into their
tribe or being part of my tribe? Right?
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Who am I? Why I'm here?
Speaker 2 (45:25):
That in and of itself, you could spend your entire
life searching that out the answers to that, as I
hope you have, and I know everybody listening right now
has done that. You've asked yourself that you're like, well,
what am I supposed to.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Do in my life? I don't know?
Speaker 2 (45:42):
And I asked this question more than any other question,
you know, and and I you know, I typically get
four answers, and one is my purpose is to serve
my family, which is awesome, brilliant. Of course, purpose can
emerge out of that, right in particularly if you have children,
or a spouse, and you're dedicated to them, you want
them to be fulfilled. And because that that in and
(46:05):
of itself, you dedicate your life where your purpose is
your family.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Man, Just you're ahead of the game, right right. The
other one is is altruism in nature.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
I wanna you know, I I I I want to
leave the world a better place, I mean awesome, all right,
figure out what what specific.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Thing you want to do that. I mean that that
in and of itself too.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
The third which is probably one of the most powerful
and one of the things that's influenced me at the
highest order after I uh, you know, started to realize
the fourth one, but is you know, to serve God
or to be spiritual, to have you know, to really
conjure up the necessity and faith in people right and
to drop those seeds in life, and to be apostolic
(46:52):
in nature man, to serve Christ. Well, man, you you
want to have purpose, just go do that and it's beautiful,
I love. And then the final one is most a
lot of people, especially young people. I don't know what
my purpose is. And trust me, I understand that I
was in that spot at twenty two years old, in
my fourth year in college.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
I was lost. I was a lost soul. I had
no idea.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
And you know, through my first real big God moment,
God said, well, you know, I think you should go
try and become a navy seal.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Good God.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
I wish he had told me something else, but that
was the one that stuck with me. But and so
what was it? I had to go search my purpose out.
And that's what I'm talking about, right.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
And here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
If you're doing it right, it's going to be painful,
but that pain is going to be positive pain. It's
going to be the positive application of pain that forces
adaptation and change and assimilation and growth. Every single day
that you feel that that wins, that moan, that struggle,
that fatigue, you're growing out of that. And then the
(48:04):
real truth beyond that is that if you're not sure,
then just start by putting other people ahead of yourself
to serve others. And you know that the truth lies
within each step you'll ever take, by by giving the
most valuable thing you have in your life, which is time,
because you don't know when your endpoint is going to be.
(48:24):
And trust me as a person that has felt like
I flirted with that endpoint multiple times. It's really every
step that you get to take towards serving someone else. Man,
it makes it makes purpose tangible, like you feel it.
And that's not the idea that I'm going to give
somebody something and have an expectation that I want that
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you know, the gratification of that you're going to give
me something back, although that's what the healthiest relationships are.
They're reciprocal in nature. The game is equitable on each side.
But man, you want to serve, you know above all others,
is you just know, give people that unconditional love and
that man, that that will take you to another level.
(49:08):
And really right, true purpose requires for you to love
the idea of sacrifice. You know.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
I it's.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
It's difficult for me to just stop for a moment.
I think about I think about people like Jason Freewall
who died on September eleventh, two thousand and eight, and
(49:44):
what he sacrificed. That's purpose. I mean, we have this
idea from my world that the only easy day was yesterday,
(50:06):
and now I know that's been battered and hammered and
almost become kind of comedic. In particular, if you were
to ask my my Green Beret friends, or my Ranger
buddies or my mar soccer marine buddies. You know, the
only easy day was yesterday, you know. And they bust
my chops for this. But man, there's a lot of
(50:28):
truth to that. In particular, if if you're trying to
live this higher order life, you're trying to have real meaning,
genuine meaning and focus and determination and trying to figure out.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Who you are.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
And I think that's why, you know, the idea of
the bell for us represents so much. You know, we
in our training we have this bell. You know. I
used to think of it as like the bell was
this god awful thing. This it was this like its
own entity, and you'd run on the grinder every day
(51:04):
and you'd kind of side eye it, you know, as
you'd run by with your swim buddy or your teammates,
and you'd be like, don't look at it, don't look
at it.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
You know.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
But then that thing you'd be in the middle of
some day, man, and you'd hear that thing ring three times.
And that's what the instructor's staff would do. That was protocol.
If you decided that the program wasn't for you, it
wasn't right for you. Then you would go up and
you would ring that bell three times, and that would signify, hey,
I'm I'm done with this right now. I'm you know,
(51:36):
I the idea of you know, I quit this, you know,
that's what we we would say, and that's what it is,
is I'm quitting this because the intensity is too much,
it's not right for me.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
I just don't want to do this. So you ring
that bell, you.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Know that dong dong right, and man, you'd hear that
wherever you were and you almost like you feel that
shutter come down your spine, and you know there's a
certain point or attitude. And a lot of people that
was like, man, good, good riddance. Get out of here.
(52:13):
We don't want you. If you can't hack it, we
don't want you. This is not a game. We're going
to combat, we're going to war. People are going to
die if you can't hack it. Get out of here.
But for me, man, I had so many guys I
knew ring out It was like, god, man, that's such
a heavy thing. They're they're they're willfully ending this pursuit
(52:33):
of their dream. And so the bell what it represents,
and so I use it quite a bit. Metaphorically. We
all have the bell on our shoulder, just right there
all day, every day. We can ring that bell if
we want, and we can, we can move on or
(52:54):
whatever task it is we can. We cannot ring that
bell if we choose to, if we choose to, and
that's what I have tried to do. That's what I
have dedicated thirty years of my life is to create
(53:14):
some kind of program, some kind of system, some kind
of process that can help you figure out how to
ring that bell. So again, I appreciate all of you.
I can't thank you enough for just listening and paying
(53:37):
attention and for watching me and being on this journey
with me, and for all those new listeners that I have,
and I just I'm overwhelmed. I'm grateful that you would
even take two seconds out of your day to listen
to me on this thing, or to.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Just not ring the bell. So thank you, God, bless
you
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