June 14, 2025 • 19 mins
🇮🇱 🇮🇷 Rut and Tudor break down the Israeli airstrikes that rocked Iran—targeting high-ranking military leaders, nuclear scientists, and critical infrastructure. What does this mean for the stability of the Middle East? Will Iran retaliate with force, and are U.S. troops in the region at risk?
Rut shares his first-hand military experience and geopolitical insight to unpack the deeper strategy behind the strikes, the growing alliance between Iran, China, and Russia, and the potential for a much larger global conflict. Tudor asks the hard questions: Is this a justified response to terrorism, or a dangerous escalation? And where does America stand?
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - Pushback Against Trump’s Birthday
03:44 - Israel’s Strike & A Split In The MAGA Base
07:01 - Iran’s Nuclear Capabilities
10:12 - Americans In Harm’s Way
11:37 - Was Israel’s Strike Effective?
13:45 - Will This Be A Global Conflict?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, Happy Saturday, everybody. We are sort of combining shows here.
You've got the Tutor Dixon Podcast and the David Rutherford
Show here together this morning. We are gathering together because
we want to talk about everything. But I think first
and foremost, we have to say happy flag Day and
happy birthday mister President.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Who. Yeah, I think, oh absolutely, man. Anybody that's made
it to his age seventy nine years old and after
two assassination attempts trying to ruin him for eight years,
that man deserves a hell of a party today for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
And he is going to have one, which I wanted
to talk to you about because there's been some controversy.
People have come out and said he shouldn't be doing this,
and I wanted your opinion because I think about this
and I think our military has been so destroyed over
the past four years. The Biden administration was so terrible
to our military. There was no celebration, but it wasn't
(00:58):
even that. It was that they were humiliated. They were
fired for not taking a vaccine. It was diminished. They
were told that they were better off if they were
trans than if they were out there fighting. I mean,
it was the woke involvement in the military was insane.
I think that to me, this is a really significant
move for President Trump to say we love you, we
(01:21):
honor you, we respect you, we think that you're incredible.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Oh absolutely. I mean, you know, I served under three
different presidents, right. I served under Clinton in the late
nineties when I was in the Seal Teams. I served
under you know, George Bush Junior at during nine to eleven,
post nine to eleven, and for black when I was
at Blackwater. And then I served under Obama when I
(01:47):
was at the Central Intelligence Agency and you know, Clinton
days we had zero money for training, right, and then
after nine to eleven, the Golden Conics box opened up
and dablished ourselves and our supreme dominance and control over
different areas in the world. And one of the things
that always kind of got me was, how come we
(02:09):
don't do the giant military parades. Why don't we flex
on the world stage like that? Now, some people say
you flex enough by all the different conflicts you're engaging,
But I just think when you flex it for America
in terms of that capacity, it really continues to build morale,
which is at an all time high because of Pete
and his crew at the Pentagon, but.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
It was at an all time low. And I think
that's the important thing for people to understand. Because you
come from this world, you are a Navy cel, you
understand what this means. I've watched so many people say, Man,
we feel like we were crap down. We feel like
we've been less than We feel like we haven't been
taken care of. And people are mad about the price
tag and they're mad about they say that this is
(02:53):
something that is dictatorial. It's not about President Trump at all.
It is about honoring the men and women who.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Soar I agree, And it's also honoring the American public. Right.
One of the things that has traditionally been the most
unifying component is the underlying ideology behind meritocracy in the military.
You can go in the military and you can thrive
if you meet a standard, if you orient yourself at
(03:20):
the highest level in teamwork, if you participate in a
selfless way towards the benefits of the American people. Right.
So it's also to paying tribute to that heritage, and
in a time where a majority of our institutions are
really in question right now, I think it's a good
thing to bring back the status of the US military
(03:43):
and its might.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
So I want to get into Israel because we are
yesterday there was an attack.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I guess it was really for us.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
It was Thursday night, it was throughout the night and
into Friday morning. We are watching as Israel bombed what
was it seven targets in Iran?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
It was quite a few. The biggest thing was the
people they took out. Right, you had the supreme Commander,
the second highest commander, you had the head of the
aerospace unit, and then you had three major nuclear scientists
that were taken out and so and then the tod's
(04:24):
facility was significantly impacted. Now what that battle damage report is,
we don't have conclusive evidence yet, but we do know
that the strategic nature was a mission success.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
So I was telling you I was on Newsmax this
morning and I was kind of taken by surprise because
there's like, oh, there's these MAGA influencers who are not
happy with the president over this, and I'm like, what
in the what is happening. First of all, this was
Israel's choice. They decided to do this. They suffered a
horrific attack on Aober seventh, and I think that people
(05:02):
cannot forget that the number of people who died in
Israel on October seventh would be the equivalent equivalent of
like thirty thousand Americans dying. Do you think that if
that happened on US soil, which it could, based on
the fact that we've had open borders and we don't
know who's in this country, that America would stand by
and do nothing.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Well, No, America didn't stand by. It happened on nine
to eleven. I mean, when you look at the combined
impact of not only the people who died that day,
but the effects of the cancer and the impact on
the cleanup reports suicides that I mean, that's a significant number.
And as a result, what did we do? We went
(05:42):
to war for essentially twenty years, right. I think what
you're having is you're having a backlash because the president
ran on a whole position of peace and he said
that this I am going to be the president of
all time peace, no mayor nore, no more conflicts, no
more wars. And I think what a lot of these
(06:04):
people who believe that, in particular a large group of
my generation of g Watt fighters, you know, they don't
they they they went over and now what we know
about what Iraq and why we went, you know, that's questionable.
And so I think what people are backlashing at is
to say, hey, you said one thing, and now there's
something else. Now it was it did come out that
(06:27):
Rubio said that America did not participate in this in
any capacity. This was an independent operation conducted what was
it was called the operation right Raising Lion and Rising Lion.
And you know, I think what you have is a
very destabilized region, and what people are afraid of is
(06:50):
that it continues to destabilize in somehow, some way, We're
going to find ourselves in another hot war in the
Middle East. And I think that's where the pushback is
coming from.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Well, this is not a region that I mean, it's
not like the United States and Donald Trump has been negotiating.
He said he'd give him sixty days and he wanted
them to nuclearize. We know that there's weapons there. I mean,
I know, you talk about going in for going into
a rock. The weapons of mass destruction may not have
(07:22):
actually been there, but we know that they are working
on nuclear weapons.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
We know they have nuclear sites.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
We know that Israel believes that they would be the
target and it's not as though they've hidden this. I
mean the Ayahtola and the Supreme Leader whatever he is,
he's out there tweeting every day that he wants to
take them out, the Zionist regime, that's what he calls them.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Well, it's not just he's not just profess taking out Israel,
but he's professed taking out America American interests as well.
And they do have a significant arsenal. You know, the
last reports from the Atomic Energy Agency reports that we're
at about sixty percent uranium capacity, very easily taking that
up to ninety with a stockpile about two hundred and
(08:08):
seventy four kilograms and up to which could drive up
to ninety two and that's enough further to and rich
about ten nuclear bombs. Now. You know, when I was
at Blackwater back in the day, I worked on a
project where we were helping to design a kind of
a reconnaissance maritime reconnaissance thing out of Azerbijan in conjunction
(08:31):
with their military to observe Russian and Iranian ships going
back and forth in the CASPI and c and so
this is and if you really want to dig deep,
go back you and you read the former reports on
aq Khan, which was the person who really started global
nuclear proliferation by selling Pakistan's nuclear secrets all over the place,
(08:56):
many of which went to Iran, which really began their
robut nuclear capacity and development. Now, the other aspect is
you have to understand what i RAN's delivery systems are right,
and so you've got a ballistic arsenal like the Shabab three,
which can carry nuclear warheads with ranges up to two
(09:16):
thousand kilometers covering Israel and US bases in Iraq, Qutar
and beyond. You know, when you start to think about
the magnitude and some people say they have, you know,
like three to four thousand of these missiles. I tried
to do a deep dive in research on how many
drones they have right with long range capacity, and it
(09:39):
just couldn't couldn't. It didn't even know. It was like
they have thousands of different types of drones that have
up to seven hundred kilometer range. Right now, The last
little point that I want to put out toutor is
that if you don't think that American personnel are in jeopardy,
then think again. Rough estimates there are somewhere between fifty
(10:00):
and around forty five to fifty thousand troops in the
Middle East, with main bases right in Katar, main bases
in Bahrain and Kuwait and Iraq.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Right we also, I want to stop you for a
second because think about how significant that statement is that
you just made. When the person who was running against
Donald Trump said well, we don't have anybody out there
right now.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
That video killed me man and the members the Marines,
and they turn around, they're like, what a we you know,
And that's the thing. I think also that the American
public in the backlash is trying to say, hey, listen,
And that's the thing. I think also that the American
(10:44):
public in the backlash is trying to say, hey, listen,
you know, we have to be careful as this thing escalates, right,
And yes, Israel is every day at an existential reality
for sure. Hands down. What I find interest is some
of the immediate responses from the Egyptians, from the Turks,
(11:04):
from you know, all the surrounding areas which have come
out and said this is bull Israel didn't have the right,
it's unprovoked, all of that, and so you know, for me,
what I'm praying for is peace across the board always.
I don't want to see any more US personnel. I
don't want to see any more Israelis killed, you know.
(11:24):
And but you know, there's also a significant number of
civilians that have been annihilated in the in the Middle
East in the last twenty four twenty five years as well.
So what hopefully the strikes were so profound that they
had a deeply impactful thing and really set the Iranian
nuclear program back by let's call it, let's twenty years
(11:47):
or more, hopefully.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Do you think it sets them back militarily?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
But I mean, if I'm looking at this as I
am from the United States, and I go, okay, they
they poked the band. There's no question the bear was poked,
and they're very angry. We are being told by experts
that it usually takes a few weeks for Ron to
react to this, to something like this. What kind of
(12:12):
weapons do I mean? Did they hit enough to really
damage them? Or is this something that is going to
become very ugly?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, it absolutely is. I mean they responded with immediate
one hundred drones and response. And don't forget you know,
there was an attack on October first of twenty twenty four,
where they launched about two hundred ballistic missiles in two ways,
targeting sites in Israel. Right now, is operation true promise
the second? So they're going to respond, There's no doubt.
(12:41):
They've already said it. They're going to respond significantly. They've
said they're going to respond to a US military basis
to the which you know, Trump you know, obviously set
up if you attack our bases, We're going to drop
the hammer on you, as he should. For sure. The
question that I would you really have to think about,
and this is the strategic initiative that is really I
(13:03):
think a component that is the scariest for me. You know,
what was it last year, the year before I Ran
did a four hundred billion dollar oil deal with China.
Right if now all of a sudden in China and
futures commodities, you know, oil prices went up about one
percent globally just today. Now, if that continues to rise,
it's going to have an impact on China's ability to
(13:26):
potentially get their oil, which then they could facilitate what
uh supersonic missiles into into Iran because they have a
direct route that comes through Afghanistan. Into uh into Herad
and into Iran, so they can supply missiles uh I.
Certainly Russia has the capacity to supply arms and missile
(13:49):
missile systems as well too, So you know what you're
looking at is a global escalation potentially.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Now I will say there, I want to just say
when when I was campaigning, I met with a few
different generals and we were talking about the impact of
China back then, and they said, You've got to understand,
Americans see this as dealing with a world leader similar
to the president of the United States. But that's not
the culture. That's not how they think the death and
(14:19):
war and all those things. They see it very differently.
They are radicals. I think I want to go back
to what you said about people being upset because Donald
Trump said he would be the no war president. He
came in and he said, I'm going to negotiate with Putin.
He has come out and he's been totally honest with
the American people. He's doing things I don't like. He's
not negotiating. This is a problem. Same situation with Iran
(14:43):
right now. But this is to me on the outside
looking in. Obviously I'm not in these conversations. I see
this connection between Iran and China. I see the connection
between China and Russia. This isn't looking great.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
No, And you know, the one thing that we always
had going for him, And there's a couple of great
military people have written some incredible books. There was an
author Graham, who wrote a book about, you know, China's
rising in terms of their militaristic and economic prowess against
American might and what that conflict in the future would
(15:18):
would look like. But what what what you have is
is you don't want to drive all of these people together.
And that's what we saw with the New Bricks Alliance,
right and and them trying to start their own currency
and their own uh market, UH community, and and and
that creates a major shift in our what global prowess economically,
(15:41):
certainly militaristically, we're the most dominant military on the planet.
Nobody's even closed right now China is you know producing
what Seawn. You know, my best friend Seawan had a
guy on recently, a former Navy Seal Team six guy
who's getting contracts to build autonomous like drone bow for
the US military. And the numbers that he was rattling
(16:04):
off or staggering how rapidly China's military is improving.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Their navy is the largest in the world when it
comes to battleships, and I mean they're not trained like ours,
and their equipment is not the same as ours, so
you need to understand the difference. But they are larger,
and they are their ports are getting ever closer to
the United States. And that is the caution that we
have been talking about for years, and it's something that
(16:29):
people don't really want to talk about. I think it's
also important to note that this situation with Putin and China,
remember what was it was it twenty three or twenty
two when they came together and they said they're looking
for a new world order. The future will be different
with them together. Joe Biden was allowing I don't know
(16:50):
if he was not there or what it was, but
whatever the administration was.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Allowing this blancoln for sure, Yeah, for sure, I'm with you.
I agree, you know, and I think as you when
you start to look at strategic global alliances, Obviously America
and Israel have been tied at the hip from nineteen
sixty s. Probably even you could go back from nineteen
forty eight with Israel's inception, right, and even before that
(17:17):
you could argue as well. You know, I think what
you have is you have two things taking place right now.
You have a shift in militaristic and global powers taking
place between the unification of Russia at China Iran in
(17:37):
South Africa, right, and you have also a glowing rise
in socialism that's kind of sweeping the world as well too.
Look at South America right now, pretty much the only
democracy down there is Paraguay. So I think what's happening
is there's a shift, there's a paradigm shift. So what
(17:58):
do you do. You have to reac establish your military
might in those moments, and I think that's what's taking
place right now.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Well, we will see how this weekend goes. We'll see
what goes on today. We again wish the President a
very happy birthday.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Today.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
We wanted to get to what's happening with the whole
what are these riots called again the no Kings protests,
which we know we're going to be riots. We're going
to follow those throughout the weekend. So I would love
to get together again next week and we can talk
about those. So we'll try to plan that but I
also want to say to everybody who's listening, if you
liked this, leave us some comments, let us know that
(18:35):
you liked this, and we can try to continue putting
something like this together for you. So it's a combination
of the David Rutherford Show and the Tutor Dixon podcasts.
We'll both put it out. You can find us anywhere
you get your podcasts. We're both in the Clay and
Buck podcast network on iHeart. So I appreciate you all
listening to us. And I don't know, David, if there's
anything else you want to add about where people can
(18:57):
find it.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Same thing. You know, all podcasts areas all social media
at David Rutherford Show, same same, same, and Tutor. I
just it's such a privilege coming on with you. I
really enjoy our conversations. And uh, let's just hope this
gets this, it doesn't escalate.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yep, we'll keep well, we will keep praying all weekend
and we'll just keep everybody over there in Israel in
the Middle East in our prayers. So and thank you
all for listening, and I hope we all have a
blast weekend.
Well, Happy Saturday, everybody. We are sort of combining shows here.
You've got the Tutor Dixon Podcast and the David Rutherford
Show here together this morning. We are gathering together because
we want to talk about everything. But I think first
and foremost, we have to say happy flag Day and
happy birthday mister President.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Who. Yeah, I think, oh absolutely, man. Anybody that's made
it to his age seventy nine years old and after
two assassination attempts trying to ruin him for eight years,
that man deserves a hell of a party today for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
And he is going to have one, which I wanted
to talk to you about because there's been some controversy.
People have come out and said he shouldn't be doing this,
and I wanted your opinion because I think about this
and I think our military has been so destroyed over
the past four years. The Biden administration was so terrible
to our military. There was no celebration, but it wasn't
(00:58):
even that. It was that they were humiliated. They were
fired for not taking a vaccine. It was diminished. They
were told that they were better off if they were
trans than if they were out there fighting. I mean,
it was the woke involvement in the military was insane.
I think that to me, this is a really significant
move for President Trump to say we love you, we
(01:21):
honor you, we respect you, we think that you're incredible.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Oh absolutely. I mean, you know, I served under three
different presidents, right. I served under Clinton in the late
nineties when I was in the Seal Teams. I served
under you know, George Bush Junior at during nine to eleven,
post nine to eleven, and for black when I was
at Blackwater. And then I served under Obama when I
(01:47):
was at the Central Intelligence Agency and you know, Clinton
days we had zero money for training, right, and then
after nine to eleven, the Golden Conics box opened up
and dablished ourselves and our supreme dominance and control over
different areas in the world. And one of the things
that always kind of got me was, how come we
(02:09):
don't do the giant military parades. Why don't we flex
on the world stage like that? Now, some people say
you flex enough by all the different conflicts you're engaging,
But I just think when you flex it for America
in terms of that capacity, it really continues to build morale,
which is at an all time high because of Pete
and his crew at the Pentagon, but.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
It was at an all time low. And I think
that's the important thing for people to understand. Because you
come from this world, you are a Navy cel, you
understand what this means. I've watched so many people say, Man,
we feel like we were crap down. We feel like
we've been less than We feel like we haven't been
taken care of. And people are mad about the price
tag and they're mad about they say that this is
(02:53):
something that is dictatorial. It's not about President Trump at all.
It is about honoring the men and women who.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Soar I agree, And it's also honoring the American public. Right.
One of the things that has traditionally been the most
unifying component is the underlying ideology behind meritocracy in the military.
You can go in the military and you can thrive
if you meet a standard, if you orient yourself at
(03:20):
the highest level in teamwork, if you participate in a
selfless way towards the benefits of the American people. Right.
So it's also to paying tribute to that heritage, and
in a time where a majority of our institutions are
really in question right now, I think it's a good
thing to bring back the status of the US military
(03:43):
and its might.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
So I want to get into Israel because we are
yesterday there was an attack.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I guess it was really for us.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
It was Thursday night, it was throughout the night and
into Friday morning. We are watching as Israel bombed what
was it seven targets in Iran?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
It was quite a few. The biggest thing was the
people they took out. Right, you had the supreme Commander,
the second highest commander, you had the head of the
aerospace unit, and then you had three major nuclear scientists
that were taken out and so and then the tod's
(04:24):
facility was significantly impacted. Now what that battle damage report is,
we don't have conclusive evidence yet, but we do know
that the strategic nature was a mission success.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
So I was telling you I was on Newsmax this
morning and I was kind of taken by surprise because
there's like, oh, there's these MAGA influencers who are not
happy with the president over this, and I'm like, what
in the what is happening. First of all, this was
Israel's choice. They decided to do this. They suffered a
horrific attack on Aober seventh, and I think that people
(05:02):
cannot forget that the number of people who died in
Israel on October seventh would be the equivalent equivalent of
like thirty thousand Americans dying. Do you think that if
that happened on US soil, which it could, based on
the fact that we've had open borders and we don't
know who's in this country, that America would stand by
and do nothing.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Well, No, America didn't stand by. It happened on nine
to eleven. I mean, when you look at the combined
impact of not only the people who died that day,
but the effects of the cancer and the impact on
the cleanup reports suicides that I mean, that's a significant number.
And as a result, what did we do? We went
(05:42):
to war for essentially twenty years, right. I think what
you're having is you're having a backlash because the president
ran on a whole position of peace and he said
that this I am going to be the president of
all time peace, no mayor nore, no more conflicts, no
more wars. And I think what a lot of these
(06:04):
people who believe that, in particular a large group of
my generation of g Watt fighters, you know, they don't
they they they went over and now what we know
about what Iraq and why we went, you know, that's questionable.
And so I think what people are backlashing at is
to say, hey, you said one thing, and now there's
something else. Now it was it did come out that
(06:27):
Rubio said that America did not participate in this in
any capacity. This was an independent operation conducted what was
it was called the operation right Raising Lion and Rising Lion.
And you know, I think what you have is a
very destabilized region, and what people are afraid of is
(06:50):
that it continues to destabilize in somehow, some way, We're
going to find ourselves in another hot war in the
Middle East. And I think that's where the pushback is
coming from.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Well, this is not a region that I mean, it's
not like the United States and Donald Trump has been negotiating.
He said he'd give him sixty days and he wanted
them to nuclearize. We know that there's weapons there. I mean,
I know, you talk about going in for going into
a rock. The weapons of mass destruction may not have
(07:22):
actually been there, but we know that they are working
on nuclear weapons.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
We know they have nuclear sites.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
We know that Israel believes that they would be the
target and it's not as though they've hidden this. I
mean the Ayahtola and the Supreme Leader whatever he is,
he's out there tweeting every day that he wants to
take them out, the Zionist regime, that's what he calls them.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Well, it's not just he's not just profess taking out Israel,
but he's professed taking out America American interests as well.
And they do have a significant arsenal. You know, the
last reports from the Atomic Energy Agency reports that we're
at about sixty percent uranium capacity, very easily taking that
up to ninety with a stockpile about two hundred and
(08:08):
seventy four kilograms and up to which could drive up
to ninety two and that's enough further to and rich
about ten nuclear bombs. Now. You know, when I was
at Blackwater back in the day, I worked on a
project where we were helping to design a kind of
a reconnaissance maritime reconnaissance thing out of Azerbijan in conjunction
(08:31):
with their military to observe Russian and Iranian ships going
back and forth in the CASPI and c and so
this is and if you really want to dig deep,
go back you and you read the former reports on
aq Khan, which was the person who really started global
nuclear proliferation by selling Pakistan's nuclear secrets all over the place,
(08:56):
many of which went to Iran, which really began their
robut nuclear capacity and development. Now, the other aspect is
you have to understand what i RAN's delivery systems are right,
and so you've got a ballistic arsenal like the Shabab three,
which can carry nuclear warheads with ranges up to two
(09:16):
thousand kilometers covering Israel and US bases in Iraq, Qutar
and beyond. You know, when you start to think about
the magnitude and some people say they have, you know,
like three to four thousand of these missiles. I tried
to do a deep dive in research on how many
drones they have right with long range capacity, and it
(09:39):
just couldn't couldn't. It didn't even know. It was like
they have thousands of different types of drones that have
up to seven hundred kilometer range. Right now, The last
little point that I want to put out toutor is
that if you don't think that American personnel are in jeopardy,
then think again. Rough estimates there are somewhere between fifty
(10:00):
and around forty five to fifty thousand troops in the
Middle East, with main bases right in Katar, main bases
in Bahrain and Kuwait and Iraq.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Right we also, I want to stop you for a
second because think about how significant that statement is that
you just made. When the person who was running against
Donald Trump said well, we don't have anybody out there
right now.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
That video killed me man and the members the Marines,
and they turn around, they're like, what a we you know,
And that's the thing. I think also that the American
public in the backlash is trying to say, hey, listen,
And that's the thing. I think also that the American
(10:44):
public in the backlash is trying to say, hey, listen,
you know, we have to be careful as this thing escalates, right,
And yes, Israel is every day at an existential reality
for sure. Hands down. What I find interest is some
of the immediate responses from the Egyptians, from the Turks,
(11:04):
from you know, all the surrounding areas which have come
out and said this is bull Israel didn't have the right,
it's unprovoked, all of that, and so you know, for me,
what I'm praying for is peace across the board always.
I don't want to see any more US personnel. I
don't want to see any more Israelis killed, you know.
(11:24):
And but you know, there's also a significant number of
civilians that have been annihilated in the in the Middle
East in the last twenty four twenty five years as well.
So what hopefully the strikes were so profound that they
had a deeply impactful thing and really set the Iranian
nuclear program back by let's call it, let's twenty years
(11:47):
or more, hopefully.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Do you think it sets them back militarily?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
But I mean, if I'm looking at this as I
am from the United States, and I go, okay, they
they poked the band. There's no question the bear was poked,
and they're very angry. We are being told by experts
that it usually takes a few weeks for Ron to
react to this, to something like this. What kind of
(12:12):
weapons do I mean? Did they hit enough to really
damage them? Or is this something that is going to
become very ugly?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, it absolutely is. I mean they responded with immediate
one hundred drones and response. And don't forget you know,
there was an attack on October first of twenty twenty four,
where they launched about two hundred ballistic missiles in two ways,
targeting sites in Israel. Right now, is operation true promise
the second? So they're going to respond, There's no doubt.
(12:41):
They've already said it. They're going to respond significantly. They've
said they're going to respond to a US military basis
to the which you know, Trump you know, obviously set
up if you attack our bases, We're going to drop
the hammer on you, as he should. For sure. The
question that I would you really have to think about,
and this is the strategic initiative that is really I
(13:03):
think a component that is the scariest for me. You know,
what was it last year, the year before I Ran
did a four hundred billion dollar oil deal with China.
Right if now all of a sudden in China and
futures commodities, you know, oil prices went up about one
percent globally just today. Now, if that continues to rise,
it's going to have an impact on China's ability to
(13:26):
potentially get their oil, which then they could facilitate what
uh supersonic missiles into into Iran because they have a
direct route that comes through Afghanistan. Into uh into Herad
and into Iran, so they can supply missiles uh I.
Certainly Russia has the capacity to supply arms and missile
(13:49):
missile systems as well too, So you know what you're
looking at is a global escalation potentially.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Now I will say there, I want to just say
when when I was campaigning, I met with a few
different generals and we were talking about the impact of
China back then, and they said, You've got to understand,
Americans see this as dealing with a world leader similar
to the president of the United States. But that's not
the culture. That's not how they think the death and
(14:19):
war and all those things. They see it very differently.
They are radicals. I think I want to go back
to what you said about people being upset because Donald
Trump said he would be the no war president. He
came in and he said, I'm going to negotiate with Putin.
He has come out and he's been totally honest with
the American people. He's doing things I don't like. He's
not negotiating. This is a problem. Same situation with Iran
(14:43):
right now. But this is to me on the outside
looking in. Obviously I'm not in these conversations. I see
this connection between Iran and China. I see the connection
between China and Russia. This isn't looking great.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
No, And you know, the one thing that we always
had going for him, And there's a couple of great
military people have written some incredible books. There was an
author Graham, who wrote a book about, you know, China's
rising in terms of their militaristic and economic prowess against
American might and what that conflict in the future would
(15:18):
would look like. But what what what you have is
is you don't want to drive all of these people together.
And that's what we saw with the New Bricks Alliance,
right and and them trying to start their own currency
and their own uh market, UH community, and and and
that creates a major shift in our what global prowess economically,
(15:41):
certainly militaristically, we're the most dominant military on the planet.
Nobody's even closed right now China is you know producing
what Seawn. You know, my best friend Seawan had a
guy on recently, a former Navy Seal Team six guy
who's getting contracts to build autonomous like drone bow for
the US military. And the numbers that he was rattling
(16:04):
off or staggering how rapidly China's military is improving.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Their navy is the largest in the world when it
comes to battleships, and I mean they're not trained like ours,
and their equipment is not the same as ours, so
you need to understand the difference. But they are larger,
and they are their ports are getting ever closer to
the United States. And that is the caution that we
have been talking about for years, and it's something that
(16:29):
people don't really want to talk about. I think it's
also important to note that this situation with Putin and China,
remember what was it was it twenty three or twenty
two when they came together and they said they're looking
for a new world order. The future will be different
with them together. Joe Biden was allowing I don't know
(16:50):
if he was not there or what it was, but
whatever the administration was.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Allowing this blancoln for sure, Yeah, for sure, I'm with you.
I agree, you know, and I think as you when
you start to look at strategic global alliances, Obviously America
and Israel have been tied at the hip from nineteen
sixty s. Probably even you could go back from nineteen
forty eight with Israel's inception, right, and even before that
(17:17):
you could argue as well. You know, I think what
you have is you have two things taking place right now.
You have a shift in militaristic and global powers taking
place between the unification of Russia at China Iran in
(17:37):
South Africa, right, and you have also a glowing rise
in socialism that's kind of sweeping the world as well too.
Look at South America right now, pretty much the only
democracy down there is Paraguay. So I think what's happening
is there's a shift, there's a paradigm shift. So what
(17:58):
do you do. You have to reac establish your military
might in those moments, and I think that's what's taking
place right now.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Well, we will see how this weekend goes. We'll see
what goes on today. We again wish the President a
very happy birthday.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Today.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
We wanted to get to what's happening with the whole
what are these riots called again the no Kings protests,
which we know we're going to be riots. We're going
to follow those throughout the weekend. So I would love
to get together again next week and we can talk
about those. So we'll try to plan that but I
also want to say to everybody who's listening, if you
liked this, leave us some comments, let us know that
(18:35):
you liked this, and we can try to continue putting
something like this together for you. So it's a combination
of the David Rutherford Show and the Tutor Dixon podcasts.
We'll both put it out. You can find us anywhere
you get your podcasts. We're both in the Clay and
Buck podcast network on iHeart. So I appreciate you all
listening to us. And I don't know, David, if there's
anything else you want to add about where people can
(18:57):
find it.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Same thing. You know, all podcasts areas all social media
at David Rutherford Show, same same, same, and Tutor. I
just it's such a privilege coming on with you. I
really enjoy our conversations. And uh, let's just hope this
gets this, it doesn't escalate.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yep, we'll keep well, we will keep praying all weekend
and we'll just keep everybody over there in Israel in
the Middle East in our prayers. So and thank you
all for listening, and I hope we all have a
blast weekend.
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