In this episode, Ryan delivers a sharp critique of Vivek Ramaswamy’s recent remarks on American identity and citizenship. Ryan examines Ramaswamy’s comments about “heritage Americans,” contrasts them with his personal background, and highlights what he sees as deep contradictions in Ramaswamy’s political philosophy. He argues that Ramaswamy’s ideology is less about preserving American values and more about consolidating personal power. Ryan explores how this rhetoric is shaping the conservative movement, influencing debates over national identity, and impacting broader American society.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's that special time of the year.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
No, not Christmas, tis the season from the vek Aramaswami
to lecture Americans about how awful they can possibly be.
Welcome back to a Numbers game with Ryan Grdusky. Now,
for those of you who have a healthy relationship with
social media and you don't read the New York Times,
you may have missed Republican candidate for governor of Ohio
and failed presidential candidate, the vek Raamaswami busy lecturing Americans. Now,
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for those of you who don't remember, last year, on
Christmas Eve, the vek Aramaswami decided to go on a
Twitter rant talking about how tech entrepreneurs hire immigrants over
Americans because our culture, the American culture, venerates mediocrity and laziness.
We celebrate athletes and prom queens and pop their kids
instead of nerds, and that American parents were failing their
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kids because they let them do extracurrik of activities and
sleepovers instead of math leatues. You know, they treated their
children like children instead of like employees to get the
maximum turnout possible from them. And his evidence for this
was TV shows from the nineties like Boy meets world,
family matters and saved by the bell. In other words,
Vivek Ramaswami's decades of resentment that he was never popular
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and he was beat up in school by black kids
and felt isolated by white kids finally boiled over. Took
thirty years, but it finally happened on Christmas Eve of
last year. Well, this Christmas season, Vivek is here to
lecture us again about how this incredible country that our
ancestors built doesn't really belong to us. It belongs to
anyone who believes what Vivek believes. In The New York Times,
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Vivek attempts to inject himself in the fight against Nick
Fuentes and the grappers and the far right who celebrate
quote unquote heritage Americans. What is a heritage American, he
might ask. It is a very loose term, referring to
people whose ancestry in this country dates back to the
American Revolution or before yours truly is a heritage American.
My paternal grandmother certainly came on the Mayflower and they
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fought in the Revolutionary War. According to ancestry dot Com,
sixty percent of all Americans can trace their ancestry to
the American Revolution as recently as twenty ten. So recently
twenty ten, a majority of Americans were heritage Americans. They
came in all different races, shape, sizes, and colors and creeds.
That is not good enough for VC Ramaswami to sit there,
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and you know, instead of applauding about mass assimilation, about
intermarriage between descendants of immigrants and founding stock Americans. You know,
like my family, My mother is the great granddaughter of
Italian immigrants. She is not a heritage American, but her
children are and her grandchildren are because they have intermarried.
She married my father, who was a heritage American. And
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we tie our nation's past with our nation's future in
this beautiful collective a way that is very unique to America,
and that you know, our family trees kind of all
intertwine into our both our history. We can look at
our past and say, eventually a majority can look at
our past and say we were part of that effort
to make this country over time. But the VEC doesn't
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see it that way because so Vek is not obviously
a heritage of Maria. He sits there and says that
being a heritage American is in fact not a defining
part of America at America's identity, he writes, quote this
view is now popularized by the groyper Wright, a rapidly
ascended online movement that argues that for the creation of
a white centric identity. This is a predictable response, one
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that I anticipated in my book Nation of Victims to
anti white discrimination over the last half decade, and is
no longer just a fringe viewpoint stops. First of all,
the VEC does not write his books. Veck's books are
ghost written allegedly by someone from the Manhattan Institute. I
know their name, but I'm not going to say it
because I don't want any complaints. But he does not
write any of his books. I continue the alternative, and
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in my view, the correct vision of American identity is
based on ideals.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
This is what be Beck writes.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Americanism isn't a scholar quality that varies based on your ancestry.
It's binary. Either you're an American or you're not. You're
an American if you believe in the rule of law,
in the freedom of conscious and the freedom of expression,
in colorblind maritiocracy, in the US Constitution, in the American
dream and if you are a citizen who swears exclusive
allegiance to our nation. He goes on to rant and
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ray about Nick Fuente is a great person, the cost
of living, and his follow up to the op ed
was a speech of the Turning Point USA conference where
he said that the idea of quote heritage American is
more American than another American is Unamerican at its core.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
The online common threads of Twitter might preach that our
lineage is our strength, and no, I'm sorry, our lineage
is not our strength. Our true strength is what unites
us across the diversity and through that lineage that is
a word salad of garbage. So I want to break
down Vivec's op ed and his speech and the idea
behind it. But first I need to talk a little
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bit about the VEC the man, because those of you
who kind of know who Avec is because you've seen
on cable news or some podcasts and you say yourself, Wow,
he says a lot of buzzwords that I really like.
He's an interesting guy. I think I like him, I
think I agree with him. He seems friendly, he seems patriotic.
That's probably how your relationship to Vivek Ramaswami is you
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know a little bit about him, but not a ton.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
You've seen him.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
You've seen him say and repeat the same buzz words
over and over again on a number of cable shows
and podcasts, but they're only skin deep. They're not a
real thought piece where he says something you say, wow,
oh my god, I've never.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Thought of it that before. But VEC doesn't offer that.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
You know, you need to understand something too, my my
dear listeners, need to understand by b k Raama Swami.
Bavek is the Nigerian prince of the Republican Party, promising
you money and riches if you just give him your
social Security number, your mother's made, the name, and your
name of your very first pet. He is a scam
artist to his core. He is a liar. He is
someone who has definitely perpetuated falsehoods on voters and on Republicans.
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And I need to bring it up to you because
I've seen a number of politicians who lie who fit.
I brought up a couple of them in the past,
but Vek is one of the worst, who is not
yet a politician, not yet an elected politician, but is
trying very, very hard.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Let's start at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
The VEC, for all his comments about how someone becomes
an American and is an American, was not born to
American citizens.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
His mother and father were here on work visas.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
She did not take a test, as a VEC said,
to show how much she agreed with the ideology of
the founding fathers or colorblind meritocracy or the free market.
She just got a job and had a baby, and
that baby got citizenship. That's all it was. There was
no further reasoning or belief system behind it that Vivec says,
what is an American? Two points worth noting the VEC
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oftentimes lies in interviews about his parents' origin story. During
presidential debate, he said that they came to this country
with nothing, but they came to this country with a
work visa, and his father was an engineer and his
mother was a doctor. So pumped the brakes on that
idea of rags to riches. It's also worth pointing out
that President Trump doesn't believe that people who come to
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this country on temporary visas and have babies that those
babies should be citizens. He is fighting this actively in
the Supreme Court. So if President Trump had been president
forty years ago and settle this case. You know, in
that decade, the VEC would have never been offered citizenship
to begin with. So a vec's clear statement about his
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birth and about why he's a citizen and how he's
a citizen one, it's full of contrary comments because his
mother and father never had to take assizenship to US.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I believe his father's still not even a citizen.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
And secondly, had President Trump been president then and had
President Trump, you know, if he's successful this time, a
future of a VEC would never be a citizen to
begin with, because they are here temporarily on just a
temporary work visa. When this was brought up to Vivek
Ramaswami in an interview that you know the fact that
his parents were not citizens when they came here, they
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were just on a temporary work visa. That his citizenship
is just because of a Supreme Court ruling that states
that you know, you're naturalized if you're just born here
through a retailing the fourteenth Amendment, which was designed just
for the descendants of slavery. Is he gets very defensive,
and he's inserting that Americans, no matter how long they've
been here. Well, we're all just citizens. If you have
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birth right, we're just like him.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I believe in being consistent about my policies.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Where So, your father is not a citizen of the
United States, he's okay. And your mother, when did your
mom take the citizenship test? Was it before or after
you were born? After I was born, after you were born?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Okay, after years of being in this you know, following
the legal process of becoming a naturalized citizen.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
She followed it through the legal process.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
You gained birth You gained citizenship through birthright then.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
But you gain citizenship through birthright citizenship in that sense too, right,
I mean every American. So what I want to do
is revive a vision of citizenship where every kid who
is sorry.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Just attract So your father is not a citizen.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Your man came to this country legally.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
This is a tactic that that often uses when he's
pointed to him that you don't have a long strending
connection to this country or to its people. Well, when
I was pointing out by Glenn Beck that he is
in fact a Hindu, which means he's a polytheists. He
believes in many gods, including cow gods, I'm not saying
I'm not shaming him. This is what he believes in, though,
something far removed from what the majority of Americans, who
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are mostly of the Abrahamic faiths, either Christianity, Judaism, or Islam.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Far removed from that.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
He gets extremely defensive, and not only does he say
that he can relate to Christians, he says that he
is in fact more Christian than some Christians.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
The acceptance of a Hindu as the President of the
United States, I say this as a member of the
Church of Jesus Christ. So that's not Christian enough for
a lot of Christians.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Have we passed that?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Or I think it depends on the person, right, I mean,
whether you're a Christian or whether you're a different person
of a different faith. I understand this is a nation
founded on Judeo Christian values, and Glenn I think I
can say this with deep, honest conviction. Here I share
are those same Judeo Christian values, more so than even
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many self professed Christians across the country.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Okay, this is the pattern of a deeply insecure man
who insists.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
That he has his connection is actually stronger than yours.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Is He faints outrage at the fact that you notice
that he's different, the fact that he noticed that he
is very very close to you know, he's a child
of immigrants, the fact that he is not does not
follow the same faith as the super majority of Americans,
and all while hoping that you don't notice the fact
that he has constantly been reinventing himself, like you know,
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like an aging pop star.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
He broke into the national scene when.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
His book Woke Inc. Came out in August twenty twenty one.
It was a ghost written book. By the way, in
his book, which I have, I had to write actually
next to me, I must move it is when I
think he gave it to me, actually when I met
him at Seapac that year. Anyway, in his book book,
Vivech details how corporations have sold out to wokeness, like
the ideas like ESG and DEI. It seemed like a
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no brainer to listen to a guy like this on
the subject. Vivec would been wildly successful in business. He
had worked at Hedge Funds and he started his own
biotech company. Vivec employed the service of public relations teams
and paid influencers to put himself out there and become
quickly a household name among Republicans. He did a very
good job at that rollout. Little not that Vivec did
not tell his growing fan base without his company, the
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one he founded and ran as CEO, launched a nonprofit
committed to DEI. This is while he was saying DEI
was horrible. It was like with ESG, one of the
worst things possible. He remained that company CEO until twenty
twenty and chairman until twenty twenty two, and still holds
a large stake in it. Another little thing he never
mentioned to his growing fan base was that he became
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very rich in twenty fifteen by basically defrauding. I don't
want to say defrauding by having a pump and dump allegedly.
I think that would be a fair way to sit
there and say it. In twenty fifteen, at h one nine,
Ramaswami acquired a failed Alzheim drug candidate called Interpending. I'm
sorry if I just pronounced that. You know, guys, you
know pronunciations on my stomps with shrump suit. Anyway, he
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acquired of her five million dollars. Ramswami spun it out
into a new subsidiary called Axovan Sciences, which he positioned
as a high potential biotech focus on neurodiversion diseases, specifically Alzheimer's.
Asovan quickly became public in June twenty fifteen, with one
of the largest biotech IPOs at the time, raising three
hundred and fifteen million dollars and achieving an evaluation of
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three billion, despite not having any approved products and relying
heavily on the Alzheimer's medication. Now, the Alzheimer's medication had
failed its second round of clinical trials twice in a
single year. So why did people all of a sudden
get so excited about this new Alzheimer's medication. It had
to do with Vex some mother, a geriatric psychiatrist with
prior experience at pharmacutical companies like Merk. She served as
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the vice president of medical Affairs at Axovan and contributed
her clinical expertise in dementia and Alzeimer's care.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Sources indicate she.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Was involved in a key phase two clinical trial with
the Alzheimer's drug involving six hundred and eighty four patients
after Accivent acquired the drug from his primary owner, where
had previously failed multiple tests the trial showed some positive
signals which helped you hype into this new company. She
later co authored and presentations and posters about the drugs data,
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including a baseline characteristics of the Phase three mindset trial. Additionally,
she came out of retirement to lead Actravan's outreach efforts
to physicians and caregivers about dementia patients. So, in other words,
Vivek buys a drug that it failed multiple times, gets
his mom to do a study on whether or not
it's good to go for another round of trials, raises
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a ton of money, and when the bottom falls out,
they cash out. The VEC became very, very very wealthy
from this company based by the way out of Bermuda
to avoid certain taxes. Now you don't say Ryan, I
don't care about his business dealings. I don't care about
the past, you know, or even at the DEI non
or having a ghost certain book about corporate.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
DEI while having a DEI nonprofit. What about his policies?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yep, full of hypocrisies there too, Like the time that
he said that he cried on January sixth watching our
capital being stormed, and then it says said no, it
was actually just an FBI hit job. I don't know
why why he would cry about an inside job by
the FBI for or the time that he said that
he respected what Mike Pence did on January six and
he would have done the same thing, before saying that actually, no,
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he wouldn't have done that. He would basically call for
another election a do over, or the time of Beck
celebrated Juneteenth, only to say a few months later that
it was a useless holiday. He said climate change was
absolutely real, before a few months later saying that it
was a hoax. He said we should cut aid to
Israel before saying we should not cut aid to Israel.
He called TikTok digital fetanol before making an account and
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being opposed to the ban of TikTok. Then, on the
campaign trail in Ohio as governor, he made a video
saying that he wanted to have school twelve months a year,
basically abolish the summer break. You know, he thinks American
children are too lazy and to coddle to begin with,
So that backfired him and his campaign to whole conservative
allies in the media that the whole thing was fake.
It was just ai when and it turned out to
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be completely true. He did actually make that video. There's
also an x current business which he moved out of
the state of Ohio to Texas three months before announcing
his run for governor. I'm sure that had nothing to
do with the possibility of the Ohio Ethics Commission looking
into financial interests connected to the state and having to
have disclose it. He'd have to disclose all of a sudden,
all this financial interests connected to the state of Ohio, now,
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I'm sure has nothing to do with that. I'm sure
it makes perfectly extensis. To move all your jobs three
months before announcing your run for governor shows how good
you are a businessman for workers in that state. There
can't possibly be anything shady there now. There is nothing
but beck Ramaswamy will not do or say at any
given moment. This man who has a company based out
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of a Bermuda that could avoid taxes, only registered to
vote for president, only register to vote when he was
running for president. And the first job that Doge cut
was his because Elon Musk couldn't stand him. He is
the worst case of central character syndrome that has ever
been documented. A man who looks like the Indian version
of Jimmy Neutron trying to ask the Jewish question. He's
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someone who has spent his life repeatedly rejected by Americans,
either in schools or social settings or running for president.
And so he has made his life's mission to govern you,
to govern this country whose people he views as lazy,
as a mediocre and has rejected him time after time.
And for whatever reason, it's Christmas time that he is
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the most triggered to remind Americans why they're country. The
country that their ancestors built, whether he likes it or not,
really doesn't belong to them. It belongs to anybody. It
belongs to any person who can just sit here and
you believes what he believes. And how dare you complain
about losing your job or being replaced, or that your kids,
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You know, you let your kids play sports, you let
them have sleepover, so you deserve that they can't sit
there and get ahead.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
That's the core of who.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
This man is. He is a cars who speaks for
applause lines. He was a member of the Soros Foundation fellowship,
which is interesting. He says he needed a fellowship because
he couldn't pay for college. But he was already a
millionaire by the time he applied for college, where he
pled applied for law school. And unfortunately for the people of Ohio,
he's the leading candidate for governor. And if you believe Vavec,
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if you believe that he is out there to create
sound policies and he just wants good governance, a man
who's never even served on jury duty before or voted
for anyone besides himself, and you have fallen for the
motherload of con artists. Please do yourself a favor and
don't ever click on an unknown link in an email
that you receive from an anonymous sender, or give your
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credit card information away to someone on the phone that
randomly calls you. You are too gullible for this world. Okay,
that's who Vivec is, the person, the man. Let me
discuss the point of his comments, not just the man,
but the idea he's putting out there and the con
he is inflicting on the people of Ohio. So the
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argument of evec is trying to promote over the weekend,
is that something that he has said in the past
that American citizenship isn't tied to lineage. Being an American
the American identity isn't tied toll lineage. It's tied to
the share ideals like the rule of law, freedom of
conscious freedom of expression, and colorblind meritocracy in the US
Constitution and the American dream. If you are a citizen
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who swears exclusive allegiance to our country, you don't have
any other allegiance or any I guess other citizenship to
another country. And he's the notion of heritage American is
a proof that of a failed ideology. He implies Biden,
the idea that Biden is more American than Trump because
Trump is the son of an immigrant from Scotland, or
Bernie Sanders is more American than Bernie Marino, an immigrant
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from South America, or Elizabeth Warren is more American than
Marco Rubio, the son of an immigrant from Cuba, all
of which are utter looney ideas. Any American citizen is America, period.
Let's stop there for just one second. That's what the
vechs Seran says. First of all, no one is coming
to this country to take a political ideology test. No
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one is becoming a citizen and has to say that
they believe when Marco Rubio or Bernie Marino or any
of these people believe or Donald Trump, it's literally just
a bunch of beliefs he made up as the appropriate ones.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
It's not how to become a good citizen or a
real American. It's how to become mostly a good Republican honestly,
is what he's sitting there and saying as his core beliefs.
What about people who changed their minds? What about people
who come to this country and they start out as
a a vec Ramaswami American and then become liberal. Are
they an American because their opinions changed center Bernie Marino
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used to be very progressive as a Republican from Ohio.
He supported DEI policies, including fourteen trillion in reparations for
Black Americans, and then he switches opinion. Was he not
an American then? And he is an American?
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Now?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
What about Ariana Huffington, She's an immigrant who was the
very patriotic before becoming utterly insane and supporting a number
of things of a vec opposes in his list? Did
she lose her American identity because she changed her mind?
Because that's what Avec's saying. It's just a state of mind. Also,
what's the vec's plan for all these non Americans living
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in our country? If a VEC really believed this, if
he says, you are not an American if you don't
believe this thing or that thing, which, by the way,
he doesn't. By the way, this whole thing, this whole
right up for the New York Times is utterly focus.
He doesn't believe this because if you believed it, you
would call for a national a massive national denaturalization program
based on our non shared beliefs. Hassan Piker, a bisexual
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Twitch streamer, is actively supporting communism and as recently in China,
talk about how great their system is. Is he going
to be denaturalized? What about Ibram X Kennedy? Is he
He's actually called for the Constitution to be shredded and
an Office of Anti Racism to control all things local
and federal. He doesn't believe in freedom of speech at all,
freedom of conscious Nothing is vivek going to denaturalize Ebram
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x Kenndy? How is Ibram x Kenny a non American
according to Veck standards? How is he allowed to vote
in our country? Shouldn't this be a national emergency? See
Vivek is doing what so many conservative commentators have done.
They're using white liberals as the punching bag because of
course they can. It's easy. White liberals aren't insufferable people.
But notice how we never brought up any of these
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black democrats who have histories that go to slavery, because
that'd be uncomfortable, that'd be really weird for him. He
doesn't want to sit there and talk about how the
descendants of slaveries have no lineage to this country. There
lineage doesn't matter because it is such a part of
not only American identity, but definitely Black American identity. So no,
he attacks lives with warrant because it's easy to hate her.
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She's annoying, I get it. But Vec also likes to
use this very stupid quote from Ronald Reagan. Reagan said,
you can go to France, but you won't be a Frenchman.
You can move to Italy or Germany, but you'll never
be Italian or German. You can live the rest of
your life in China, but you'll ever be Chinese. But
America different. We're a nation based on ideals, and that
makes us exceptional. It's such a stupid Raking quote. None
of that is true. The leading contender for the president
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of France has immigrant parents from Italy. Like all the
great raging quotes, Vivek uses the stupidest one for his opinion.
Here's a more accurate quote from President Charles de Gaulle
of France on immigration, especially that country. Jagall said, it
is very good that there are black Frenchmen, brown Frenchmen,
yellow Frenchmen for the show that France is a universal location. However,
they must always remain a small minority, otherwise France will
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no longer be France. We must not forget we are
a nation born on the Christian religion, reco Roman culture,
and the white race. In other words, France can allow
anyone to be French, right, but if the native French
become a minority in their own country, they will lose
that country. And no matter how many times have Vek
says the following quote, no matter your ancestry, if you
wait your term to obtain citizenship, you are every bit
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as American as a Mayflower descendant, as long as you
subscribe to the creedive America's founding and the culture was
born in. What makes American exceptionalism possible. That is utter bullshit.
My friend Rufus and he's on Twitter as west Side
La guy. I had to say, you know, he asked me.
I was promoted because he made a good point. He said,
the main reason someone comes to this country to become
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a citizen isn't because they believe in some foundational creed
or some shared ideology. No. Sixty six to seventy percent
of immigrants in our country who come here, who becomes citizens,
come here because they're related to somebody through a family
reunification visa. That's all it is. That's literally all it is.
If you are related to somebody, you can get a visa.
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If you are direct relative of somebody, you can get
a visa. And if you wait long enough in line
and memorize six questions on a test that include how
many senators are there and what are the stars on
our nation's flag represents, then boom, you are an American.
That's it. That's all it is. It's empty, it's hollow,
it's gross. It's the reason why so many conservatives have
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turned against mass immigration and a vex's vision for what
American is over the last few years is because those
of us who have been here for generations, for centuries
or at least a century, those we as descendants of
those generations, are continually asked to make sacrifices on behalf
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of those.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Who have just come.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
It was white millennial men that was discussed in a
recent paper from Compact magazine that is set there, and
so that we suffered the most. Our generation did through
the twenty twenty DEI policies. Right, we had to diversify
the workplace, especially for recent immigrants. Recent immigrants, minds you
who used the black experience in this country, which was
you know, since slavery suffered real discrimination, they have piggybacked
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on that to reap the rewards like things like minority
owned business loans and opportunity zones. They were never part
of that massive struggle that does intertwine people who have
been in this country for generations. No, it means something
very different for vivek Ramaswami than it has for the
families who have fought every single American war that has
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spent generations building this land and being born on it
and dying in it, and fielding harvests and working in
factories and protecting personal economic freedoms so that vivek Ramaswami's
parents can come to this country and enjoy it. You
should at least owe a sense of gratitude towards the
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people who for generations serve in this country in one
capacity of the other. But no, America is not great
just because our ideas are great. And America is not
great just because we offer opportunities to foreigners because and
apparently that's what vec entire rationale is to Avect. The
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idea that America is so generous to everyone in the world. Well,
that's a recent thing that only existence since the Heart
Seller Act was overturning nineteen sixty five. Before then, I
guess it was a terrible place because it was so
so homogeneously you know, Western European. It must really hurt
Vavec's feelings. That the founding fathers, who is constantly sorely
talking about in the First Congress, those you know, those
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people who created the Constitution. One of their first acts
was sitting there and saying that only white people could
be citizens. That was one of their first things, was
excluding other people. It was very much part of what
it was to be an American in that time in
the Preamble of the Constitution, it says, we the people
United States, in order to make a form a more
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perfect union, established justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the
common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings
of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. That is literally
in the preamble of the Constitution, our descendants, our lineage,
and the first citizenship, you know, which was towards whites.
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That didn't change to add to blacks of the eighteen seventies,
And even when it was added to blacks during the reconstruction,
it was not added to non non non blacks.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Non whites.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
It was not added to everyone in the entire world
that was barred in until nineteen fifty two and from
the countries, and that the countries of the world weren't
allowed to immigrate to America until nineteen sixty five. So
this ideal that Evec speaks of, that, you know, this
founding principle of America was based on if his family
could get here. That is a relatively new concept. It
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is divorced from the original founding documents and the original
founding fathers. You know, this idea is younger than my
parents are. If America is only a set of ideals,
if it's only a list of principles of Vecroamaswami can
get published in the New York Times, and it has
nothing to do with the people who have lived here,
who have built it. Why has it been tried in
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other countries and failed? Why can't you just make in
America anywhere if it's just the ideas. Liberia in Africa
literally was founded on a copy of the American Constitution,
and for the fierce few presents of Liberia were all
American and it currently has a GDP per capital.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Of nine hundred dollars a year. No one is knocking
on the door to move to Liberia. They're just not.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
If Eveka's so sure America is just an idea, then
why hasn't he gone to all the places in the world.
You could have made tons of money just making new Americas.
They would be would have been, you know, an investor's
dream to have prosperity and tranquility and peace and prosperity everywhere,
booming markets. Why is it the people who believe in
the idea always seem to come here instead of bringing
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those ideas back to their parents' native country. While it's
true that anyone can become an American, especially over many generations,
it is not true that it can be done at
the scale of millions per year. You cannot just have
the same country with the different people. Yes, Ion or
Shi Ali, Denesh Dsuza, Louis von Meses, Jerry Springer all
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moved here became fully American. You can absolutely assimilate the individual.
We can have a diverse population who come here, who
spend a lot of time here, who spend generations here,
who fully integrate and fully marry, and all the rest
of it, because the root of Americans. But you cannot
do that at a scale where the entire nations population
is being replaced or being dwarfed, right, because the root
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of Americans identity is the American people. If you ever
replace a majority of Americans with any other population in
the world, I don't care if they're Russian or Palestinians,
or Indians or Chinese or Nigerians anywhere, Brazilians, anywhere, you
will no longer have the United States will if you
replace our population now, you will even with the same ideals,
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you will have the same level of corruption, the same
level of welfare, you will have less free, less prosperous.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
And less tolerant people, a less toleran nation.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
This has been studied over and over and over again
by the way that mass diversity, not only since there
on influx a large amount of social distrust among people
who look like you, look different than you, they look
a lot like you. Right two thousand and Robert putne
seminal work Bowling alone. He says, when you push more
diversity into a community, the fewer people vote, the less
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they volunteer, the less they give to charity, and the
less they trust one another. Growth for the sake of
growth is the ideology of cancer cells, libertarians and open
border activists. Bevec isn't putting out this ideology because it's true.
He is doing it because he thinks it's his way
of rejecting Nick Fouentes and ropers and racism and anti
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semitism and all those horrible things. But he's saying it
because if you reject those things which you should reject,
it means you have no connection to this ancestors, to
what they built, to this innate heritage that you may
feel pride in. Right, you feel pride that your ancestors,
and you are part of a collective change. Literally in
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Russell Kirk's book about Conservatism of the Conservative Mind, this
is innately how we feel.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Why do heritage.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Americans feel a certain way about America that is different
than immigrants. It's like asking why do you feel different
way about your wife than a relative does. It's just different,
and that's okay, And it's okay, by the way, to
be a recent immigrant. It's okay to be a minority
in this country. We allow it. We allow them to prosper,
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we allow them to thrive, we allow them to be
fully American.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
And have equal rights as us.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
That's a great thing, but it has to be done
in scale and in proportion, and a little bit, just
one ounce of thank you. I am so proud of
part of this experiment, this part of this nation that
other people build so I can enjoy, would be very
very nice. And for all the people in the media
clapping for a back that they say the speech was wonderful,
(31:42):
which is such a great speech. Those who are falling
for a con artist, like you know, Mark Theessen, who's
been NonStop talking about how wonderful and all these founders
from Silicon Valley. They are all people who just can't
we replaced Americans with robots. You believe you are taking
a noble stand for American print. I understand and why
you're doing while you're clapping for a vec. You believe
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that you are taking a stand that is in Reagan's
vision against what the gropers say that you are the saint.
But I it's hard for me to explain to these people.
You are of a certain age where you are not
speaking anything to these young people who feel isolated, who
are being lured into gropers. You're not doing a single
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ounce of service to what you believe you are fighting
for when you clap for the vec Ramaswami, Because you
say to a young person whose family has been here
for two or three hundred years, for somebody who doesn't
do a ton of history research, doesn't do a ton
of ancestor researchers, knows that they have pride, their family
has been from this country for a very very long
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time and sacrificed. And then you tell him that he
doesn't have any more right to this country, or he
doesn't have any more identity of this country, a country
that not only the only that he is known, but
the only one that anyone in his living relatives have
ever known. He doesn't have any more connection and identity
that part of himself than someone who just showed up yesterday,
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who did not take a freaking test to see how
American they are. They believe that they are equal standing.
And then you say in the next breath that Jews
deserve their own state because of either political reasons or
religious reasons. I promise you you are making it radical.
You are turning him into something. You might as well
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sign him up to to be a grayber personally. And
for the record, I one hundred percent support the Jewish
date of Israel and believe they should have their own autonomy.
I'm not questioning that. I'm not sitting there and saying
this because you know it's opened up the door to
another question. But Israel, it's not that about.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
That at all.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
You have to see yourself as an older millionaire telling
a younger person that they do not have a connection
that is special to their country, and it is equal
to somebody whose mother was on a temporary work visa
and popped out a baby. You might as well be
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injecting them with anti Semitic feelings in real time clapping
for viveg on this. You might as well subscribe them
to Nick point as a show personally, to Nick, to Cannas,
to Tucker, to everyone you think has too much influence
and you know that they are toxic people that they
should be, you know, purge from society. Go tell a
kid whose family has been here for two hundred years
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and feel special pride that they are as equally as
American as someone who came on a diversity viza from
Portugal or Afghanistan in the last few weeks and commit
an act of terrorism. You are so so you're doing
so much damage. You're not helping anyone in this very
tense part of the conservative movement. That is very tense
time in the conservative movement. It is the people who
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make this country, not some random checklists of vague platitudes
like live, laugh, love that avec assembled. I'm going to
close by asking why you really think but bec has
started to inject himself on this conversation when he's going
on cable news or writing out beds or speaking at
turning point? Why did he inject himself because he wants
to take out a position showing he's not JD Vance,
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who has talked about how a lineage matters in this country.
He is not like the hardliners because he believes that
he can run for president. It's all it's about, literally,
all it's about. It's about sitting there and saying, if
JD goes down in twenty twenty eight for whatever reason,
then he has a primetime chance of being president. It's
all about power, it's all about influence. It's nothing but
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America or it's people. It comes down to all about Vivek.
That's all he is interested in is himself. It's always
ever been interested in. Ask Me Anything is coming up next.
Now it's time to Ask Me Anything segment. If you
want to part of the Ask Me Anything segment, please
emil me Ryan at Numbers gamepodcast dot com. That's Ryan
(35:53):
at Numbers Game podcast dot com. This message comes from Brock.
He said, Hey, Ryan, it's me again.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Brock. Thank you for email me again.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I continue to wait on the edge of my seat
for your podcast every time it comes out. I'm curious
about your prediction of the future of Byron Donald's Florida congressman.
Before President Trump was elected. I heard Byron Donald's give
the Best clearest and most eccinct explanation of Donald Trump's
policies that I've ever heard, and I assuming my part
of the Trump administration surprised when he didn't. What are
your thoughts about his future aspirations president or governor or
(36:21):
cabinet position. Hope you enjoy Christmas. I hope you enjoy Christmas,
or passover, Brock or whatever. You're doing well. Obviously, he's
running for governor, and he is leading candidate in the
Republican primary, though he's not actually doing as well as
I thought he would be doing in the polling, given
how early he has run and how much money he has.
But he's doing fine. He's very likely to win. He's
(36:42):
the odds on favor to win right now and firm there.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Where does he go? It's very hard to sit there
and say, Brock.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I mean a lot of what being present is and
running for president is is just simple timing. Let's say,
for argument's sake, right, complete arguments sake, and let's just
say Rondo Santas as well, Let's say the sand and
Byron Donalds as example, Roonda Santa's governor from two thousand
and eighteen to twenty twenty six Byron Donalds from twenty
(37:09):
twenty six to two thousand and thirty four. Let's just
make those the two that sixteen year period. Let's say
JD runs for president twenty twenty eight and loses, Well,
Rohonda Santas can run. I mean he was just governor
just you know, he just sted out as being governor
two years ago, two years before that. So he can
sit there and get in the news, and he will
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have a six year period. We'll have to sit there
and you know, be interesting and be there. Well, he
likely win, probably not, but he will have that window.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Still.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Now, let's say JD wins, and he wins for two terms, Well,
then you're asking Ron desanta Is to stay relevant in
people's minds for almost a decade. It becomes close to impossible.
Right And likewise, if JD runs in twenty twenty eight
and loses, well then you're asking Byron Donalds to all
of a sudden inject himself as a possible presidential candidate
within a term and a half like Ronda Santas did.
(37:57):
Or you're asking him or or I JD evans win
and he goes to twenty thirty six, Well then then
you have to. He has to keep himself relevant like
Nikki Haley did for two more years. So it's really
about timing. It's very you know it, and what is
exciting right now does not mean it's going to be
exciting in four years from now, six years from now.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
As far as elected officials go, Carrie A.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Lake was, you know, the biggest star of twenty seventeen
twenty eighteen, and now the idea of her running for
higher office is laughable. You know, people burn out, and
people come up, and people are special for a moment,
and when the window closes, it closed, and it's not
always your choice. So I don't know what's in Byron
Donald's future it aside from the likelihood of becoming governor
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of Florida, and he just has to do a good job.
He can't reverse all the games that Ron Desant has
made for him. If he does, if he does a
terrible job, well then you know, likelihood of him becoming
president is very thinned.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
That's the best answer I have.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
We don't really know except for being governor and as
far as becoming a cabinet official, I guess he probably
didn't want anything, because I'm sure he could have flought
for something if he wanted it.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
But I'm sure you want to be up anyway. Thank
you for listening to this episode of the podcast. Please
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I will send you guys something later this week. Thank you.
It's that special time of the year.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
No, not Christmas, tis the season from the vek Aramaswami
to lecture Americans about how awful they can possibly be.
Welcome back to a Numbers game with Ryan Grdusky. Now,
for those of you who have a healthy relationship with
social media and you don't read the New York Times,
you may have missed Republican candidate for governor of Ohio
and failed presidential candidate, the vek Raamaswami busy lecturing Americans. Now,
(00:26):
for those of you who don't remember, last year, on
Christmas Eve, the vek Aramaswami decided to go on a
Twitter rant talking about how tech entrepreneurs hire immigrants over
Americans because our culture, the American culture, venerates mediocrity and laziness.
We celebrate athletes and prom queens and pop their kids
instead of nerds, and that American parents were failing their
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kids because they let them do extracurrik of activities and
sleepovers instead of math leatues. You know, they treated their
children like children instead of like employees to get the
maximum turnout possible from them. And his evidence for this
was TV shows from the nineties like Boy meets world,
family matters and saved by the bell. In other words,
Vivek Ramaswami's decades of resentment that he was never popular
(01:08):
and he was beat up in school by black kids
and felt isolated by white kids finally boiled over. Took
thirty years, but it finally happened on Christmas Eve of
last year. Well, this Christmas season, Vivek is here to
lecture us again about how this incredible country that our
ancestors built doesn't really belong to us. It belongs to
anyone who believes what Vivek believes. In The New York Times,
(01:29):
Vivek attempts to inject himself in the fight against Nick
Fuentes and the grappers and the far right who celebrate
quote unquote heritage Americans. What is a heritage American, he
might ask. It is a very loose term, referring to
people whose ancestry in this country dates back to the
American Revolution or before yours truly is a heritage American.
My paternal grandmother certainly came on the Mayflower and they
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fought in the Revolutionary War. According to ancestry dot Com,
sixty percent of all Americans can trace their ancestry to
the American Revolution as recently as twenty ten. So recently
twenty ten, a majority of Americans were heritage Americans. They
came in all different races, shape, sizes, and colors and creeds.
That is not good enough for VC Ramaswami to sit there,
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and you know, instead of applauding about mass assimilation, about
intermarriage between descendants of immigrants and founding stock Americans. You know,
like my family, My mother is the great granddaughter of
Italian immigrants. She is not a heritage American, but her
children are and her grandchildren are because they have intermarried.
She married my father, who was a heritage American. And
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we tie our nation's past with our nation's future in
this beautiful collective a way that is very unique to America,
and that you know, our family trees kind of all
intertwine into our both our history. We can look at
our past and say, eventually a majority can look at
our past and say we were part of that effort
to make this country over time. But the VEC doesn't
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see it that way because so Vek is not obviously
a heritage of Maria. He sits there and says that
being a heritage American is in fact not a defining
part of America at America's identity, he writes, quote this
view is now popularized by the groyper Wright, a rapidly
ascended online movement that argues that for the creation of
a white centric identity. This is a predictable response, one
(03:19):
that I anticipated in my book Nation of Victims to
anti white discrimination over the last half decade, and is
no longer just a fringe viewpoint stops. First of all,
the VEC does not write his books. Veck's books are
ghost written allegedly by someone from the Manhattan Institute. I
know their name, but I'm not going to say it
because I don't want any complaints. But he does not
write any of his books. I continue the alternative, and
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in my view, the correct vision of American identity is
based on ideals.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
This is what be Beck writes.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Americanism isn't a scholar quality that varies based on your ancestry.
It's binary. Either you're an American or you're not. You're
an American if you believe in the rule of law,
in the freedom of conscious and the freedom of expression,
in colorblind maritiocracy, in the US Constitution, in the American
dream and if you are a citizen who swears exclusive
allegiance to our nation. He goes on to rant and
(04:08):
ray about Nick Fuente is a great person, the cost
of living, and his follow up to the op ed
was a speech of the Turning Point USA conference where
he said that the idea of quote heritage American is
more American than another American is Unamerican at its core.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
The online common threads of Twitter might preach that our
lineage is our strength, and no, I'm sorry, our lineage
is not our strength. Our true strength is what unites
us across the diversity and through that lineage that is
a word salad of garbage. So I want to break
down Vivec's op ed and his speech and the idea
behind it. But first I need to talk a little
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bit about the VEC the man, because those of you
who kind of know who Avec is because you've seen
on cable news or some podcasts and you say yourself, Wow,
he says a lot of buzzwords that I really like.
He's an interesting guy. I think I like him, I
think I agree with him. He seems friendly, he seems patriotic.
That's probably how your relationship to Vivek Ramaswami is you
(05:04):
know a little bit about him, but not a ton.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
You've seen him.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
You've seen him say and repeat the same buzz words
over and over again on a number of cable shows
and podcasts, but they're only skin deep. They're not a
real thought piece where he says something you say, wow,
oh my god, I've never.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Thought of it that before. But VEC doesn't offer that.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
You know, you need to understand something too, my my
dear listeners, need to understand by b k Raama Swami.
Bavek is the Nigerian prince of the Republican Party, promising
you money and riches if you just give him your
social Security number, your mother's made, the name, and your
name of your very first pet. He is a scam
artist to his core. He is a liar. He is
someone who has definitely perpetuated falsehoods on voters and on Republicans.
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And I need to bring it up to you because
I've seen a number of politicians who lie who fit.
I brought up a couple of them in the past,
but Vek is one of the worst, who is not
yet a politician, not yet an elected politician, but is
trying very, very hard.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Let's start at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
The VEC, for all his comments about how someone becomes
an American and is an American, was not born to
American citizens.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
His mother and father were here on work visas.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
She did not take a test, as a VEC said,
to show how much she agreed with the ideology of
the founding fathers or colorblind meritocracy or the free market.
She just got a job and had a baby, and
that baby got citizenship. That's all it was. There was
no further reasoning or belief system behind it that Vivec says,
what is an American? Two points worth noting the VEC
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oftentimes lies in interviews about his parents' origin story. During
presidential debate, he said that they came to this country
with nothing, but they came to this country with a
work visa, and his father was an engineer and his
mother was a doctor. So pumped the brakes on that
idea of rags to riches. It's also worth pointing out
that President Trump doesn't believe that people who come to
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this country on temporary visas and have babies that those
babies should be citizens. He is fighting this actively in
the Supreme Court. So if President Trump had been president
forty years ago and settle this case. You know, in
that decade, the VEC would have never been offered citizenship
to begin with. So a vec's clear statement about his
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birth and about why he's a citizen and how he's
a citizen one, it's full of contrary comments because his
mother and father never had to take assizenship to US.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I believe his father's still not even a citizen.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
And secondly, had President Trump been president then and had
President Trump, you know, if he's successful this time, a
future of a VEC would never be a citizen to
begin with, because they are here temporarily on just a
temporary work visa. When this was brought up to Vivek
Ramaswami in an interview that you know the fact that
his parents were not citizens when they came here, they
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were just on a temporary work visa. That his citizenship
is just because of a Supreme Court ruling that states
that you know, you're naturalized if you're just born here
through a retailing the fourteenth Amendment, which was designed just
for the descendants of slavery. Is he gets very defensive,
and he's inserting that Americans, no matter how long they've
been here. Well, we're all just citizens. If you have
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birth right, we're just like him.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I believe in being consistent about my policies.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Where So, your father is not a citizen of the
United States, he's okay. And your mother, when did your
mom take the citizenship test? Was it before or after
you were born? After I was born, after you were born?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Okay, after years of being in this you know, following
the legal process of becoming a naturalized citizen.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
She followed it through the legal process.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
You gained birth You gained citizenship through birthright then.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
But you gain citizenship through birthright citizenship in that sense too, right,
I mean every American. So what I want to do
is revive a vision of citizenship where every kid who
is sorry.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Just attract So your father is not a citizen.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Your man came to this country legally.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
This is a tactic that that often uses when he's
pointed to him that you don't have a long strending
connection to this country or to its people. Well, when
I was pointing out by Glenn Beck that he is
in fact a Hindu, which means he's a polytheists. He
believes in many gods, including cow gods, I'm not saying
I'm not shaming him. This is what he believes in, though,
something far removed from what the majority of Americans, who
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are mostly of the Abrahamic faiths, either Christianity, Judaism, or Islam.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Far removed from that.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
He gets extremely defensive, and not only does he say
that he can relate to Christians, he says that he
is in fact more Christian than some Christians.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
The acceptance of a Hindu as the President of the
United States, I say this as a member of the
Church of Jesus Christ. So that's not Christian enough for
a lot of Christians.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Have we passed that?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Or I think it depends on the person, right, I mean,
whether you're a Christian or whether you're a different person
of a different faith. I understand this is a nation
founded on Judeo Christian values, and Glenn I think I
can say this with deep, honest conviction. Here I share
are those same Judeo Christian values, more so than even
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many self professed Christians across the country.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Okay, this is the pattern of a deeply insecure man
who insists.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
That he has his connection is actually stronger than yours.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Is He faints outrage at the fact that you notice
that he's different, the fact that he noticed that he
is very very close to you know, he's a child
of immigrants, the fact that he is not does not
follow the same faith as the super majority of Americans,
and all while hoping that you don't notice the fact
that he has constantly been reinventing himself, like you know,
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like an aging pop star.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
He broke into the national scene when.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
His book Woke Inc. Came out in August twenty twenty one.
It was a ghost written book. By the way, in
his book, which I have, I had to write actually
next to me, I must move it is when I
think he gave it to me, actually when I met
him at Seapac that year. Anyway, in his book book,
Vivech details how corporations have sold out to wokeness, like
the ideas like ESG and DEI. It seemed like a
(11:03):
no brainer to listen to a guy like this on
the subject. Vivec would been wildly successful in business. He
had worked at Hedge Funds and he started his own
biotech company. Vivec employed the service of public relations teams
and paid influencers to put himself out there and become
quickly a household name among Republicans. He did a very
good job at that rollout. Little not that Vivec did
not tell his growing fan base without his company, the
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one he founded and ran as CEO, launched a nonprofit
committed to DEI. This is while he was saying DEI
was horrible. It was like with ESG, one of the
worst things possible. He remained that company CEO until twenty
twenty and chairman until twenty twenty two, and still holds
a large stake in it. Another little thing he never
mentioned to his growing fan base was that he became
(11:46):
very rich in twenty fifteen by basically defrauding. I don't
want to say defrauding by having a pump and dump allegedly.
I think that would be a fair way to sit
there and say it. In twenty fifteen, at h one nine,
Ramaswami acquired a failed Alzheim drug candidate called Interpending. I'm
sorry if I just pronounced that. You know, guys, you
know pronunciations on my stomps with shrump suit. Anyway, he
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acquired of her five million dollars. Ramswami spun it out
into a new subsidiary called Axovan Sciences, which he positioned
as a high potential biotech focus on neurodiversion diseases, specifically Alzheimer's.
Asovan quickly became public in June twenty fifteen, with one
of the largest biotech IPOs at the time, raising three
hundred and fifteen million dollars and achieving an evaluation of
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three billion, despite not having any approved products and relying
heavily on the Alzheimer's medication. Now, the Alzheimer's medication had
failed its second round of clinical trials twice in a
single year. So why did people all of a sudden
get so excited about this new Alzheimer's medication. It had
to do with Vex some mother, a geriatric psychiatrist with
prior experience at pharmacutical companies like Merk. She served as
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the vice president of medical Affairs at Axovan and contributed
her clinical expertise in dementia and Alzeimer's care.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Sources indicate she.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Was involved in a key phase two clinical trial with
the Alzheimer's drug involving six hundred and eighty four patients
after Accivent acquired the drug from his primary owner, where
had previously failed multiple tests the trial showed some positive
signals which helped you hype into this new company. She
later co authored and presentations and posters about the drugs data,
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including a baseline characteristics of the Phase three mindset trial. Additionally,
she came out of retirement to lead Actravan's outreach efforts
to physicians and caregivers about dementia patients. So, in other words,
Vivek buys a drug that it failed multiple times, gets
his mom to do a study on whether or not
it's good to go for another round of trials, raises
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a ton of money, and when the bottom falls out,
they cash out. The VEC became very, very very wealthy
from this company based by the way out of Bermuda
to avoid certain taxes. Now you don't say Ryan, I
don't care about his business dealings. I don't care about
the past, you know, or even at the DEI non
or having a ghost certain book about corporate.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
DEI while having a DEI nonprofit. What about his policies?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yep, full of hypocrisies there too, Like the time that
he said that he cried on January sixth watching our
capital being stormed, and then it says said no, it
was actually just an FBI hit job. I don't know
why why he would cry about an inside job by
the FBI for or the time that he said that
he respected what Mike Pence did on January six and
he would have done the same thing, before saying that actually, no,
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he wouldn't have done that. He would basically call for
another election a do over, or the time of Beck
celebrated Juneteenth, only to say a few months later that
it was a useless holiday. He said climate change was
absolutely real, before a few months later saying that it
was a hoax. He said we should cut aid to
Israel before saying we should not cut aid to Israel.
He called TikTok digital fetanol before making an account and
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being opposed to the ban of TikTok. Then, on the
campaign trail in Ohio as governor, he made a video
saying that he wanted to have school twelve months a year,
basically abolish the summer break. You know, he thinks American
children are too lazy and to coddle to begin with,
So that backfired him and his campaign to whole conservative
allies in the media that the whole thing was fake.
It was just ai when and it turned out to
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be completely true. He did actually make that video. There's
also an x current business which he moved out of
the state of Ohio to Texas three months before announcing
his run for governor. I'm sure that had nothing to
do with the possibility of the Ohio Ethics Commission looking
into financial interests connected to the state and having to
have disclose it. He'd have to disclose all of a sudden,
all this financial interests connected to the state of Ohio, now,
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I'm sure has nothing to do with that. I'm sure
it makes perfectly extensis. To move all your jobs three
months before announcing your run for governor shows how good
you are a businessman for workers in that state. There
can't possibly be anything shady there now. There is nothing
but beck Ramaswamy will not do or say at any
given moment. This man who has a company based out
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of a Bermuda that could avoid taxes, only registered to
vote for president, only register to vote when he was
running for president. And the first job that Doge cut
was his because Elon Musk couldn't stand him. He is
the worst case of central character syndrome that has ever
been documented. A man who looks like the Indian version
of Jimmy Neutron trying to ask the Jewish question. He's
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someone who has spent his life repeatedly rejected by Americans,
either in schools or social settings or running for president.
And so he has made his life's mission to govern you,
to govern this country whose people he views as lazy,
as a mediocre and has rejected him time after time.
And for whatever reason, it's Christmas time that he is
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the most triggered to remind Americans why they're country. The
country that their ancestors built, whether he likes it or not,
really doesn't belong to them. It belongs to anybody. It
belongs to any person who can just sit here and
you believes what he believes. And how dare you complain
about losing your job or being replaced, or that your kids,
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You know, you let your kids play sports, you let
them have sleepover, so you deserve that they can't sit
there and get ahead.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
That's the core of who.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
This man is. He is a cars who speaks for
applause lines. He was a member of the Soros Foundation fellowship,
which is interesting. He says he needed a fellowship because
he couldn't pay for college. But he was already a
millionaire by the time he applied for college, where he
pled applied for law school. And unfortunately for the people of Ohio,
he's the leading candidate for governor. And if you believe Vavec,
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if you believe that he is out there to create
sound policies and he just wants good governance, a man
who's never even served on jury duty before or voted
for anyone besides himself, and you have fallen for the
motherload of con artists. Please do yourself a favor and
don't ever click on an unknown link in an email
that you receive from an anonymous sender, or give your
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credit card information away to someone on the phone that
randomly calls you. You are too gullible for this world. Okay,
that's who Vivec is, the person, the man. Let me
discuss the point of his comments, not just the man,
but the idea he's putting out there and the con
he is inflicting on the people of Ohio. So the
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argument of evec is trying to promote over the weekend,
is that something that he has said in the past
that American citizenship isn't tied to lineage. Being an American
the American identity isn't tied toll lineage. It's tied to
the share ideals like the rule of law, freedom of
conscious freedom of expression, and colorblind meritocracy in the US
Constitution and the American dream. If you are a citizen
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who swears exclusive allegiance to our country, you don't have
any other allegiance or any I guess other citizenship to
another country. And he's the notion of heritage American is
a proof that of a failed ideology. He implies Biden,
the idea that Biden is more American than Trump because
Trump is the son of an immigrant from Scotland, or
Bernie Sanders is more American than Bernie Marino, an immigrant
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from South America, or Elizabeth Warren is more American than
Marco Rubio, the son of an immigrant from Cuba, all
of which are utter looney ideas. Any American citizen is America, period.
Let's stop there for just one second. That's what the
vechs Seran says. First of all, no one is coming
to this country to take a political ideology test. No
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one is becoming a citizen and has to say that
they believe when Marco Rubio or Bernie Marino or any
of these people believe or Donald Trump, it's literally just
a bunch of beliefs he made up as the appropriate ones.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
It's not how to become a good citizen or a
real American. It's how to become mostly a good Republican honestly,
is what he's sitting there and saying as his core beliefs.
What about people who changed their minds? What about people
who come to this country and they start out as
a a vec Ramaswami American and then become liberal. Are
they an American because their opinions changed center Bernie Marino
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used to be very progressive as a Republican from Ohio.
He supported DEI policies, including fourteen trillion in reparations for
Black Americans, and then he switches opinion. Was he not
an American then? And he is an American?
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Now?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
What about Ariana Huffington, She's an immigrant who was the
very patriotic before becoming utterly insane and supporting a number
of things of a vec opposes in his list? Did
she lose her American identity because she changed her mind?
Because that's what Avec's saying. It's just a state of mind. Also,
what's the vec's plan for all these non Americans living
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in our country? If a VEC really believed this, if
he says, you are not an American if you don't
believe this thing or that thing, which, by the way,
he doesn't. By the way, this whole thing, this whole
right up for the New York Times is utterly focus.
He doesn't believe this because if you believed it, you
would call for a national a massive national denaturalization program
based on our non shared beliefs. Hassan Piker, a bisexual
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Twitch streamer, is actively supporting communism and as recently in China,
talk about how great their system is. Is he going
to be denaturalized? What about Ibram X Kennedy? Is he
He's actually called for the Constitution to be shredded and
an Office of Anti Racism to control all things local
and federal. He doesn't believe in freedom of speech at all,
freedom of conscious Nothing is vivek going to denaturalize Ebram
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x Kenndy? How is Ibram x Kenny a non American
according to Veck standards? How is he allowed to vote
in our country? Shouldn't this be a national emergency? See
Vivek is doing what so many conservative commentators have done.
They're using white liberals as the punching bag because of
course they can. It's easy. White liberals aren't insufferable people.
But notice how we never brought up any of these
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black democrats who have histories that go to slavery, because
that'd be uncomfortable, that'd be really weird for him. He
doesn't want to sit there and talk about how the
descendants of slaveries have no lineage to this country. There
lineage doesn't matter because it is such a part of
not only American identity, but definitely Black American identity. So no,
he attacks lives with warrant because it's easy to hate her.
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She's annoying, I get it. But Vec also likes to
use this very stupid quote from Ronald Reagan. Reagan said,
you can go to France, but you won't be a Frenchman.
You can move to Italy or Germany, but you'll never
be Italian or German. You can live the rest of
your life in China, but you'll ever be Chinese. But
America different. We're a nation based on ideals, and that
makes us exceptional. It's such a stupid Raking quote. None
of that is true. The leading contender for the president
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of France has immigrant parents from Italy. Like all the
great raging quotes, Vivek uses the stupidest one for his opinion.
Here's a more accurate quote from President Charles de Gaulle
of France on immigration, especially that country. Jagall said, it
is very good that there are black Frenchmen, brown Frenchmen,
yellow Frenchmen for the show that France is a universal location. However,
they must always remain a small minority, otherwise France will
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no longer be France. We must not forget we are
a nation born on the Christian religion, reco Roman culture,
and the white race. In other words, France can allow
anyone to be French, right, but if the native French
become a minority in their own country, they will lose
that country. And no matter how many times have Vek
says the following quote, no matter your ancestry, if you
wait your term to obtain citizenship, you are every bit
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as American as a Mayflower descendant, as long as you
subscribe to the creedive America's founding and the culture was
born in. What makes American exceptionalism possible. That is utter bullshit.
My friend Rufus and he's on Twitter as west Side
La guy. I had to say, you know, he asked me.
I was promoted because he made a good point. He said,
the main reason someone comes to this country to become
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a citizen isn't because they believe in some foundational creed
or some shared ideology. No. Sixty six to seventy percent
of immigrants in our country who come here, who becomes citizens,
come here because they're related to somebody through a family
reunification visa. That's all it is. That's literally all it is.
If you are related to somebody, you can get a visa.
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If you are direct relative of somebody, you can get
a visa. And if you wait long enough in line
and memorize six questions on a test that include how
many senators are there and what are the stars on
our nation's flag represents, then boom, you are an American.
That's it. That's all it is. It's empty, it's hollow,
it's gross. It's the reason why so many conservatives have
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turned against mass immigration and a vex's vision for what
American is over the last few years is because those
of us who have been here for generations, for centuries
or at least a century, those we as descendants of
those generations, are continually asked to make sacrifices on behalf
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of those.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Who have just come.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
It was white millennial men that was discussed in a
recent paper from Compact magazine that is set there, and
so that we suffered the most. Our generation did through
the twenty twenty DEI policies. Right, we had to diversify
the workplace, especially for recent immigrants. Recent immigrants, minds you
who used the black experience in this country, which was
you know, since slavery suffered real discrimination, they have piggybacked
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on that to reap the rewards like things like minority
owned business loans and opportunity zones. They were never part
of that massive struggle that does intertwine people who have
been in this country for generations. No, it means something
very different for vivek Ramaswami than it has for the
families who have fought every single American war that has
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spent generations building this land and being born on it
and dying in it, and fielding harvests and working in
factories and protecting personal economic freedoms so that vivek Ramaswami's
parents can come to this country and enjoy it. You
should at least owe a sense of gratitude towards the
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people who for generations serve in this country in one
capacity of the other. But no, America is not great
just because our ideas are great. And America is not
great just because we offer opportunities to foreigners because and
apparently that's what vec entire rationale is to Avect. The
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idea that America is so generous to everyone in the world. Well,
that's a recent thing that only existence since the Heart
Seller Act was overturning nineteen sixty five. Before then, I
guess it was a terrible place because it was so
so homogeneously you know, Western European. It must really hurt
Vavec's feelings. That the founding fathers, who is constantly sorely
talking about in the First Congress, those you know, those
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people who created the Constitution. One of their first acts
was sitting there and saying that only white people could
be citizens. That was one of their first things, was
excluding other people. It was very much part of what
it was to be an American in that time in
the Preamble of the Constitution, it says, we the people
United States, in order to make a form a more
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perfect union, established justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the
common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings
of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. That is literally
in the preamble of the Constitution, our descendants, our lineage,
and the first citizenship, you know, which was towards whites.
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That didn't change to add to blacks of the eighteen seventies,
And even when it was added to blacks during the reconstruction,
it was not added to non non non blacks.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Non whites.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
It was not added to everyone in the entire world
that was barred in until nineteen fifty two and from
the countries, and that the countries of the world weren't
allowed to immigrate to America until nineteen sixty five. So
this ideal that Evec speaks of, that, you know, this
founding principle of America was based on if his family
could get here. That is a relatively new concept. It
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is divorced from the original founding documents and the original
founding fathers. You know, this idea is younger than my
parents are. If America is only a set of ideals,
if it's only a list of principles of Vecroamaswami can
get published in the New York Times, and it has
nothing to do with the people who have lived here,
who have built it. Why has it been tried in
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other countries and failed? Why can't you just make in
America anywhere if it's just the ideas. Liberia in Africa
literally was founded on a copy of the American Constitution,
and for the fierce few presents of Liberia were all
American and it currently has a GDP per capital.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Of nine hundred dollars a year. No one is knocking
on the door to move to Liberia. They're just not.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
If Eveka's so sure America is just an idea, then
why hasn't he gone to all the places in the world.
You could have made tons of money just making new Americas.
They would be would have been, you know, an investor's
dream to have prosperity and tranquility and peace and prosperity everywhere,
booming markets. Why is it the people who believe in
the idea always seem to come here instead of bringing
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those ideas back to their parents' native country. While it's
true that anyone can become an American, especially over many generations,
it is not true that it can be done at
the scale of millions per year. You cannot just have
the same country with the different people. Yes, Ion or
Shi Ali, Denesh Dsuza, Louis von Meses, Jerry Springer all
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moved here became fully American. You can absolutely assimilate the individual.
We can have a diverse population who come here, who
spend a lot of time here, who spend generations here,
who fully integrate and fully marry, and all the rest
of it, because the root of Americans. But you cannot
do that at a scale where the entire nations population
is being replaced or being dwarfed, right, because the root
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of Americans identity is the American people. If you ever
replace a majority of Americans with any other population in
the world, I don't care if they're Russian or Palestinians,
or Indians or Chinese or Nigerians anywhere, Brazilians, anywhere, you
will no longer have the United States will if you
replace our population now, you will even with the same ideals,
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you will have the same level of corruption, the same
level of welfare, you will have less free, less prosperous.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
And less tolerant people, a less toleran nation.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
This has been studied over and over and over again
by the way that mass diversity, not only since there
on influx a large amount of social distrust among people
who look like you, look different than you, they look
a lot like you. Right two thousand and Robert putne
seminal work Bowling alone. He says, when you push more
diversity into a community, the fewer people vote, the less
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they volunteer, the less they give to charity, and the
less they trust one another. Growth for the sake of
growth is the ideology of cancer cells, libertarians and open
border activists. Bevec isn't putting out this ideology because it's true.
He is doing it because he thinks it's his way
of rejecting Nick Fouentes and ropers and racism and anti
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semitism and all those horrible things. But he's saying it
because if you reject those things which you should reject,
it means you have no connection to this ancestors, to
what they built, to this innate heritage that you may
feel pride in. Right, you feel pride that your ancestors,
and you are part of a collective change. Literally in
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Russell Kirk's book about Conservatism of the Conservative Mind, this
is innately how we feel.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Why do heritage.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Americans feel a certain way about America that is different
than immigrants. It's like asking why do you feel different
way about your wife than a relative does. It's just different,
and that's okay, And it's okay, by the way, to
be a recent immigrant. It's okay to be a minority
in this country. We allow it. We allow them to prosper,
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we allow them to thrive, we allow them to be
fully American.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
And have equal rights as us.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
That's a great thing, but it has to be done
in scale and in proportion, and a little bit, just
one ounce of thank you. I am so proud of
part of this experiment, this part of this nation that
other people build so I can enjoy, would be very
very nice. And for all the people in the media
clapping for a back that they say the speech was wonderful,
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which is such a great speech. Those who are falling
for a con artist, like you know, Mark Theessen, who's
been NonStop talking about how wonderful and all these founders
from Silicon Valley. They are all people who just can't
we replaced Americans with robots. You believe you are taking
a noble stand for American print. I understand and why
you're doing while you're clapping for a vec. You believe
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that you are taking a stand that is in Reagan's
vision against what the gropers say that you are the saint.
But I it's hard for me to explain to these people.
You are of a certain age where you are not
speaking anything to these young people who feel isolated, who
are being lured into gropers. You're not doing a single
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ounce of service to what you believe you are fighting
for when you clap for the vec Ramaswami, Because you
say to a young person whose family has been here
for two or three hundred years, for somebody who doesn't
do a ton of history research, doesn't do a ton
of ancestor researchers, knows that they have pride, their family
has been from this country for a very very long
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time and sacrificed. And then you tell him that he
doesn't have any more right to this country, or he
doesn't have any more identity of this country, a country
that not only the only that he is known, but
the only one that anyone in his living relatives have
ever known. He doesn't have any more connection and identity
that part of himself than someone who just showed up yesterday,
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who did not take a freaking test to see how
American they are. They believe that they are equal standing.
And then you say in the next breath that Jews
deserve their own state because of either political reasons or
religious reasons. I promise you you are making it radical.
You are turning him into something. You might as well
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sign him up to to be a grayber personally. And
for the record, I one hundred percent support the Jewish
date of Israel and believe they should have their own autonomy.
I'm not questioning that. I'm not sitting there and saying
this because you know it's opened up the door to
another question. But Israel, it's not that about.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
That at all.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
You have to see yourself as an older millionaire telling
a younger person that they do not have a connection
that is special to their country, and it is equal
to somebody whose mother was on a temporary work visa
and popped out a baby. You might as well be
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injecting them with anti Semitic feelings in real time clapping
for viveg on this. You might as well subscribe them
to Nick point as a show personally, to Nick, to Cannas,
to Tucker, to everyone you think has too much influence
and you know that they are toxic people that they
should be, you know, purge from society. Go tell a
kid whose family has been here for two hundred years
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and feel special pride that they are as equally as
American as someone who came on a diversity viza from
Portugal or Afghanistan in the last few weeks and commit
an act of terrorism. You are so so you're doing
so much damage. You're not helping anyone in this very
tense part of the conservative movement. That is very tense
time in the conservative movement. It is the people who
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make this country, not some random checklists of vague platitudes
like live, laugh, love that avec assembled. I'm going to
close by asking why you really think but bec has
started to inject himself on this conversation when he's going
on cable news or writing out beds or speaking at
turning point? Why did he inject himself because he wants
to take out a position showing he's not JD Vance,
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who has talked about how a lineage matters in this country.
He is not like the hardliners because he believes that
he can run for president. It's all it's about, literally,
all it's about. It's about sitting there and saying, if
JD goes down in twenty twenty eight for whatever reason,
then he has a primetime chance of being president. It's
all about power, it's all about influence. It's nothing but
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America or it's people. It comes down to all about Vivek.
That's all he is interested in is himself. It's always
ever been interested in. Ask Me Anything is coming up next.
Now it's time to Ask Me Anything segment. If you
want to part of the Ask Me Anything segment, please
emil me Ryan at Numbers gamepodcast dot com. That's Ryan
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at Numbers Game podcast dot com. This message comes from Brock.
He said, Hey, Ryan, it's me again.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Brock. Thank you for email me again.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I continue to wait on the edge of my seat
for your podcast every time it comes out. I'm curious
about your prediction of the future of Byron Donald's Florida congressman.
Before President Trump was elected. I heard Byron Donald's give
the Best clearest and most eccinct explanation of Donald Trump's
policies that I've ever heard, and I assuming my part
of the Trump administration surprised when he didn't. What are
your thoughts about his future aspirations president or governor or
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cabinet position. Hope you enjoy Christmas. I hope you enjoy Christmas,
or passover, Brock or whatever. You're doing well. Obviously, he's
running for governor, and he is leading candidate in the
Republican primary, though he's not actually doing as well as
I thought he would be doing in the polling, given
how early he has run and how much money he has.
But he's doing fine. He's very likely to win. He's
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the odds on favor to win right now and firm there.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Where does he go? It's very hard to sit there
and say, Brock.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I mean a lot of what being present is and
running for president is is just simple timing. Let's say,
for argument's sake, right, complete arguments sake, and let's just
say Rondo Santas as well, Let's say the sand and
Byron Donalds as example, Roonda Santa's governor from two thousand
and eighteen to twenty twenty six Byron Donalds from twenty
(37:09):
twenty six to two thousand and thirty four. Let's just
make those the two that sixteen year period. Let's say
JD runs for president twenty twenty eight and loses, Well,
Rohonda Santas can run. I mean he was just governor
just you know, he just sted out as being governor
two years ago, two years before that. So he can
sit there and get in the news, and he will
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have a six year period. We'll have to sit there
and you know, be interesting and be there. Well, he
likely win, probably not, but he will have that window.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Still.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Now, let's say JD wins, and he wins for two terms, Well,
then you're asking Ron desanta Is to stay relevant in
people's minds for almost a decade. It becomes close to impossible.
Right And likewise, if JD runs in twenty twenty eight
and loses, well then you're asking Byron Donalds to all
of a sudden inject himself as a possible presidential candidate
within a term and a half like Ronda Santas did.
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Or you're asking him or or I JD evans win
and he goes to twenty thirty six, Well then then
you have to. He has to keep himself relevant like
Nikki Haley did for two more years. So it's really
about timing. It's very you know it, and what is
exciting right now does not mean it's going to be
exciting in four years from now, six years from now.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
As far as elected officials go, Carrie A.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Lake was, you know, the biggest star of twenty seventeen
twenty eighteen, and now the idea of her running for
higher office is laughable. You know, people burn out, and
people come up, and people are special for a moment,
and when the window closes, it closed, and it's not
always your choice. So I don't know what's in Byron
Donald's future it aside from the likelihood of becoming governor
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of Florida, and he just has to do a good job.
He can't reverse all the games that Ron Desant has
made for him. If he does, if he does a
terrible job, well then you know, likelihood of him becoming
president is very thinned.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
That's the best answer I have.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
We don't really know except for being governor and as
far as becoming a cabinet official, I guess he probably
didn't want anything, because I'm sure he could have flought
for something if he wanted it.
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