It's a Numbers Game: The Big, Beautiful Breakup & Democrats Rethink Woke

In this episode, Ryan discusses the recent fallout between Donald Trump and Elon Musk, emphasizing the skepticism surrounding Musk's intentions. He delves into the evolving perspectives on wokeism in America, highlighting a significant decline in support for affirmative action among Democrats. The podcast shifts to demographic changes in the UK, predicting a future where the white native majority becomes a minority. It's a Numbers Game is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back to a Numbers game with Ryan Gurdusky. Happy Monday,
Rise and grind everybody. I hope you're enjoying the beginning
of the summer. It has been a while weekend since
Thursday's episode. Trump and Elon had their big Beautiful breakup,
where Trump threatened to cut off all federal contracts to
Elon's companies, and Elon accused Trump of being in the
Epstein files, a charge that was dismissed by Epstein's former lawyer,

(00:25):
who said he asked him about it, and Epstein said no,
I kind of doubt that he would be in the
Epstein file, and Biden wouldn't have released it. I'm not
going to go this whole episode until the end of
the bromance, but I'll say this, I told my audience
for a long time to be skeptical on Elon Musk.
From all my sources who know him, he never went

(00:46):
into this position with the goal of shrinking the size
of government. That was the pr of DOGE. There's always
been a financial incentive around him being there and federal
data incorporating his AI into the federal government. There were
reports from the Reuters and The New York Times about
how he was trying to do it for the Department
of plan and Security and for the Treasury. Everything else

(01:08):
was kind of just a frontal face. And why he's
mad about the big beautiful bill isn't just the amount
of spending, even though he's correct about what he's saying
when it comes to spending, not about Epstein. I want
to make that clear. I will tell my audience one
other thing to look out for. There will be intense

(01:29):
media scrutiny over Steven Miller, his wife Katie Miller, and
their relationship to Elon. I've spoken to a lot of
reporters in the last week. The rumors in DC about
their close relationship between Katie, Elon and Stephen is everywhere.
It's what everyone is talking about and trying to find
the truth of the fact that she works for Elon's company,

(01:51):
the fact that Elon and Stephen have unfollow each other
on social media. I'm telling you among reporters that I
have a decent relationship with This is half of what
they're talking about, aside from Trump and Elon himself. Also,
one of my predictions from the last episode came true.
I said that the Senate would change our language over

(02:12):
the ten year AI moutatorium. Instead of it being a
strict fan which would have been hurt in the Bird rule,
it's now going to be a financial incentive where states
will receive extra federal funds if they don't regulate AI,
and this will helpfully get that's what the Republicans are
hoping we'll get past the Bird rule. I personally think
that this is very stupid and won't do much because

(02:32):
the amount of money they're talking about allegedly offering is
fairly negligible as far as state budgets go. Okay, for
today's episode, which will be another solo episode, just me.
I hate to disappoint you, guys if you're looking forward
to guests. I will have guests coming on later in
the weekend next week, but I line them up, but
right now it's just me. I want to do a

(02:52):
two parter one the first on wocism in America and
the second on Europe. I asked you guys the last episode,
if you want me to talk more about Europe, and
I immediately received emails saying yes, I do. So I'm
going to You're going to indulge me, and I'm going
to indulge you. First on America. When the General Social
Survey came out last week or the week prior, I
did a full episode on it, but I wasn't able

(03:14):
to break down the specific demographics on the changing opinions
of wokeism at the time. Before I go any further,
let me describe what I'm talking about when I say
woke and being woke in the modern sense, Like I'm
talking about how liberals make race the central organizing principle
of everything. Black people receive lower standardized tests than Asians.

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That's racism, more police encounters, that's racism. Indians have weaker
handstring than Africans, that's racism. Everything is racism, identity, but
specifically race is at the center of their ideology and
their governing principle. Now I know that wocism is considered
almost a joke now, something that the left doesn't claim
ownership of and the right uses to mock them, but

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the grasp it had on progressives in America just five
year years ago is virtually unmatched. Think about this for
a second. I know that pre COVID is almost a
brain fog, and COVID was a brain fog. But in
twenty nineteen, Ebram x Kenny, one of the premier anti
racists in America, wanted a federal department on anti racism
and a constitutional amendment that acknowledged anti racism. He said,

(04:21):
and I quote, racial inequality is evidence of a racist policy,
and the different racial groups are equals. The amendment would
make unconst race inequality over a certain threshold, as well
as racist ideas by public officials. With racist ideas and
public officials clearly defined. It would establish a permanently funded

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Department of Anti Racism compromise of formal trained experts on
racism and no political appointees the DOA. The Department of
Anti Racism would be responsible for pre clearing all l local, state,
and federal public policies to ensure they won't yield racial inequity,
monitoring those policies, investigating private racist policies when racial inequality surface,

(05:11):
and monitoring public officials for expressions of racist ideas. Now
I know that this is a batshit crazy idea. A
federal's apartment that guarantees equal outcomes on the basis of
race in all levels of government is crazy. But what's
even crazier is the fact that Senator Elizabeth Warren and
a congresswoman wrote a bill to create a National Center

(05:35):
for Anti Racism with the CDC because they declare racism
was a national health crisis and even wilder, it received
fifty seven Democrat co sponsors, fifty two in the House
and five in the Senate. That's nuts. Democrats were writing
anti racism and wokeism until the tires fell off the

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car well. According to a new data from the General
Social Survey that's coming to an end. The data found
that support for affirm of action even among white Democrats
is down. Among white Democrats, those who strongly favor affirmative
action fell by twenty points from plus thirty five to
plus fifteen. Democrats have fallen closer to the center when

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it comes to the idea of a firm of action,
although their Republicans are way closer independence than Democrats are. Still,
on the question of do you want more immigration or
less our cred support for more immigration fell from majority
to less than ten percent, a complete and total freefall
on a core tenant of vocism. Because if you feel

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whiteness is inherently evil, then you support policies to make
our country less white for the sake of making our
country less white. Among white voters under thirty, the numbers
are even more startling. Those who said that we should
let in more immigrants fell in half from twenty twenty
one to twenty twenty four. Those who said differences in
outcome are due to discriminate fell from nearly seventy percent

(07:02):
to forty percent. Those who said we spend too little
on blacks fell from over sixty percent to thirty eight percent,
and those who said the government is obligated to give
special treatment to blacks fell from nearly thirty percent to
ten percent. The most dramatic decline came specifically from white
men under the age of forty, and it fell by

(07:23):
nearly twenty points from sixty to forty one on the
idea of affirmative action. Women under forty also declined, but
it was very small. Was much smaller than men. Non white,
non black Americans, that's what they labeled as others, but
I'm assuming they mean Hispanic Asians and Native Americans fell
from sixty two percent to forty five percent. This is

(07:44):
a startling decline among the most progressive generation in history
and probably aligns with why and an increasing number of them,
especially white men, between eighteen to twenty one through their
support behind President Trump. Now it's not all positive news.
There is a spike among Americans, specifically young female Americans
who say they're not proud to be an American. For

(08:06):
the very first time, a majority of young women fell
into that category. The most privileged and affluent group in
history are the ones who don't find pride in this country.
You cannot make it up. Those are the dramatic changes though,
among wokeism, and it will absolutely continue to affect our
policies as politicians like AOC, like Ilan Omar, like Bernie Sanders,

(08:32):
like the Progressive Caucus sit there and double down on
race based identity politics. It's all they really have. They
can't give it up because those who still believe in
it really believe in it, and they make up their
donor class and a big percentage of their voter class,
and they live in heavily cosmopolitan enclaves like in a
Story of Queens, where AOC and a lot of the

(08:54):
progressive left really thrive. So I don't think you'll see
the Democratic Party really run away from it, but voters,
even those who are still Democrats, have it's just going
to be the loudest voices left in the room still
believing in it. Next up, I want to talk about
England coming up right up to these messages. We're back

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and a bombshell report came out just a few days
ago that didn't make much news in the United States,
but it was front and center in the UK. According
to a report by professor Matt Gobin of Buckingham University,
he was on this podcast just two weeks ago, the
white native majority of Great Britain will be a minority
by twenty sixty three. Now. I know, if you're a
geriatric millennial like myself, you think that's sixty three years

(09:39):
from now, because we're kind of always under the premise
in the contract that nineteen ninety was ten years ago,
but it's not. The date that British Natives will be
a minority in their own homeland is thirty nine years away.
For Brits born this year, they will be a minority
in their own country among their age group in just
twenty five years. Further projections are that by twenty one
h one hundred, just one in three people living in

(10:03):
the UK will be white British, and the form born
population will be an outright majority by twenty seventy nine
in England, to eighty one in Wales, twenty ninety three
in Scotland, and then much much later Northern Ireland, possibly
not for another one hundred years, but the Muslim population
will swalter from seven percent today to twenty five percent

(10:24):
by the end of the century. Now I know that
any implications that this is a bad thing, or any
kind of notion that this is not wonderful as deemed racism,
we can talk about it. Blah blah blah. I've already
been canceled for making a beeper joke, so I don't care.
This kind of demographic change in such a rapid pace
creates a fundamental problem both domestically for the British and

(10:48):
internationally as a member of NATO and close ally of
the United States. Let's start with the second part first.
In twenty fifteen, a story broke that more British Muslims
have left the country to join Isis in their fight
for the caliphate, then joined Her Majesty's army, the British Army.
Muslims in the UK made a choice when it came

(11:09):
to do they side more with Western civilization or the
most heenous acts of barbarism committed in modern times, and
Western civilization did not win out. The British military has
been plagued by recruiting issues and it's gotten so bad
that they're asking foreign nationals in Kenya, India, Canada, Canada
which is more looking more and more like India every day,

(11:30):
and Fiji to join the army to make up for
Brits not wanting to fight for His Majesty. Now they
cannot commence their own young people to serve in their
armed forces, so they're asking those around the globe who
are in the Commonwealth, that live in the UK, even
though they're not citizens, they have no connection to that country,

(11:50):
they have no connection to the heritage or to the Crown,
to do the fighting for them as their country diversifies
and imports more cultures hostile Western civilization, hostibly the United
States and some of our allies like Israel, and I'm
more in line with some of our enemies. What does
that say about our alliance? How much harder will it
be to secure our own border when the UK can

(12:13):
easily produce one thousand, maybe two thousand homegrown terrorists in
their Muslim ghettos, neocons and Libtards have this notion that
every time there's a global conflict that the United States
can get this band of European allies from World War
Two back together and bring peace in the world. You
hear about it on like the Caroswisher podcast with that

(12:33):
guy or the university professor for NYU. They always talk
about this notion that we'll just get the Western Allies
back together and we'll be able to fight Russia and
China and whatever problems there are in the Middle East.
What happens when those Allies soldiers have no ties to
that thinking They believe Winston Churchill was a villain, not
a hero, as many Indian Brits do. This delusion on

(12:55):
the part of neo conservatives that mass immigration, especially for
Muslim majority countries, will not alter European country's willingness to
engage in military action when their populations have no connection
or historical ties, is delusional. Let's get back more to
the domestic part of the problem. What does it mean
to be English? Can you have in England where the

(13:16):
ancestral people have had their ability to decide their fate
and the fate of their countrymen taken from them? When
you have no unifying culture, history, religion, heroes, language. In
many cases, does sharing a border make countrymen? I don't believe. So.
What is the fate of the British monarchy? Possibly the

(13:39):
most identical part of being the British nation today is
they have a king and queen. Will that survive as
the subjects no longer look to them as you know,
the divine leaders of their nation as the most positively
viewed figures, even though they're not political political figures in
their country. This is what has caused the UK to

(14:02):
go from a high trt society to a low trust
society in the course of two decades. In twenty nineteen,
the Migration Observatory at the Oxford University reviewed evidence on
immigration and social cohesion in the UK. They found a
modest negative correlation between diversity and trust at the neighborhood level.
And that was when Muslim population in the country was

(14:23):
about five percent and the non white population was under
twenty five percent. Now take it and expand it, Now
take it and double it. It's not that the UK
couldn't have any immigration, but their leaders have decided to
go from a ninety one percent white British nation to
a thirty three percent white British nation in ninety nine years.
This is the singular reason that the rise of national

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populism in the UK has happened. This is why the
most stable Western democracy for the past millennia is seeing
a populist backlash and the rise of Nigel Faraj as
a reform UK Party. The British public have essentially two
elections to not just slow down overturn the effects of
mass migration and by the means of mass deportation by

(15:06):
remitigation the way the Sweden and Denmark are trying to
do it. Now. That's not a lot of time, and
the type of demographic shift is especially volatile in a
nation that is steeped with white guilt and anti colonialism
and CRT and equity communism, as the UK is, And
there is no telling if in institutions, if these institutions

(15:26):
that hold that country together will continue to hold it
as they come apart in their identity, in their shared bonds.
It's not great, by the way, to be a former
member of a majority that is still the economic dominant
minority in a nation that changes so quickly in their demographics.
Look no further to the whites of the Congo and

(15:47):
Zimbabwe and South Africa, or the ethnic Chinese in Vietnam
or Malaysia or Indonesia, or the Indians in Ethiopia and Uganda.
None of them had a happy ending. It's just a
warning and it's just a sign of the change to
come politics and culture in our nations. We are not

(16:07):
living in ponds. We're living in ever changing rivers that
are moving constantly that you cannot go back to. And
the decision to have mass migration on such a level
means that you will never have the culture and the
country that we know as England will not be the
one In just a few decades. Our children, our grandchildren

(16:29):
will look at videos of Princess Diana's funeral and not
recognize the country mourning for their princess. Will not understand
why the King and Queen meant something, will not understand
the unity and the bond, or why even the commemoration
of things like d Day cannot understand the commemoration and

(16:49):
the unity that our allied nations fought together in World
War Two. All of that will be lost because of
mass demographic transformation, a decision by the way that was
made by the elites made by the politicians, made by
the donor class. It was not made by the people,
and every time the people have asked for it to

(17:10):
be reversed, the politicians have said no. It's a stark warning,
but one that needs to be said. Now before we
end this podcast, I want to go to questions from
my audience and they ask Me Anything segment. I have
a bunch of questions. I'll be doing more than one
for the very first time. Stick around. We'll be right
back with that. We're back with the ask Me Anything

(17:32):
segment of this podcast. If you want a part of
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an idea for the podcast or question you want me
to answer answer on air. The other day I tweeted

(17:53):
if people had questions, so I'm actually going to answer
questions from Twitter. So the first question comes from a
guy named Tron and he said if Henry Kular, he
is a congressman from South Texas, is found guilty of
in his trial in September and resigns in Texas twenty eight.
Who would be the best candidate for either party in
a special election and also who will be favored to
win R or D. This is a great question. Henry

(18:16):
Kular is a Democrat from South Texas in a district
that is rapidly becoming more Republican. It is a lot
of Tahnos who have left the party. It's part of
that South Texas migration. I don't know who the best
Republican would because I don't know the district especially well,
but it is one of the It is probably the
fastest moving Republican district in the country. My bet is
Henry Kuler will be the last Democrat to hold the election. Okay,

(18:40):
next question is come from Jim Will. One of the
impacts of the federal and federal and state level efforts
to reduce spending just be an increased on taxation at
the local city, county level to make up the difference.
I'm quite literally living in the moment and attempting to
stop a proposal to increase in an R plus thirty district. No,
I don't think so, because most federal taxes are not

(19:03):
paid for by local taxes, right, So any when a
state or municipality increase let's even say sales tax or
property tax, it usually goes to local schools, firefighters, cops.
It doesn't usually go to the federal government. So I
don't believe that that's how they will pay for it.
But what I will say is when you're going to
look for tax increases as a possibility to kind of

(19:26):
get themselves out of it, one the idea of a
millionaire's tax, I think is actually really on the table
even for a number of Republicans. I think that that's
not out of the question for people who make more
than five million dollars a year, because the donor base
of Democrats who make five million dollars a year far
is outside the number of Republicans. You know, Wall Street people,

(19:46):
They're mostly Democrats, Hollywood actors, tech entrepreneurs, these are all
Democrats voter base. And I think that as the Republican
Party is more populous and is further away from like
the Reaganomics view of the economy, that is absolutely going
to be on the table. But I don't see it
for local or municipality elections. So anyway, that's uh, that's

(20:09):
that's what I think that Okay, PA Loyalist writes, what
happens ad Vance loses in twenty twenty eight and MAGA
is not showing over the polls. So this is a
wonderful question. Will MAGA show up in a post Trump election?
I kind of think so, only because yes, they do
love Trump. But if Trump annoints the successor who is

(20:30):
energetic and populus on the issue, they will know There'll
be no man like Donald Trump ever again. We will
not see the likes of him again. He is uniquely funny,
he's uniquely energetic, he speaks in a brash way. There
will never be anyone like Donald Trump again. I'm not
going to make the comparison they will be, But I
do think that the base of the party is changing

(20:51):
enough that they will show up for the successor. But
what happens if they if they lose, I don't know.
But given that working class vow of all ethnicities are
becoming more and more Republican and they do show up
in presidential elections, I'm not sure that that's a question
I'm gonna have to worry about. Last question. I believe

(21:14):
and so many members of Congress have tied their future
to President Trump. Mine Rep. Fine, He's a new congressman
from Florida literally based his entire campaign on Trump's endorsement.
What is the potential impact of those politicians if there's
a true split between Elon and Trump supporters. I don't
think that this is real because I don't think there's
any genuine Elon supporters. I think there are people interested

(21:34):
in him as a man and as a businessman, but
not as a politician. They may agree with his question
over spending, and they may say he has a point,
and he probably does have a point, but I think
that the I think it's a party of Trump. I
think the bigger question is what happens to those people
and what happens to the Trump economy, the people who

(21:56):
sell access to Trump, the people who sell commemative memorabilia
on Trump, the people who sell the notion that they
speak trump Ism When there's no Trump. What happens the
entire grifter economy that lives outside mar A Lago twenty
four hours a day post Trump. There are a million
of those people, That's really the question, and I think

(22:16):
a lot of them don't survive. And the ones who
don't find themselves in good standing with whoever the successor is,
will become desperate and will probably back a primary challenger
that will give them in grant them access. I can
tell you, guys, I heard his story last year that
a number of these well known maga I love Trump

(22:39):
people who really serve no purpose aside from saying that
they love Trump on social media and trying to grift
off of it. That they were hoping Carrie Lake would
win her Senate race in twenty twenty four so they
could run her for president in twenty twenty eight because
they know that she would be granting them the access
that they have from Trump. Didn't really work out out,

(23:00):
and I don't think she's going to run, but it
goes to show that they are willing to do anything
to be part of the conversation and get access. That's
how hungry this grifter community is. It shouldn't be lost
in anybody anyway. Those are my questions. I had one more, Actually,
do we win New Jersey in the fall in the
governor's race. I don't know. There's not a lot of
general election polling out there. I think Republicans are still behind,

(23:22):
but I think it's much more open and the possibility
of it happening is very very real. So I will
have to wait to see more polling and more data
to sit there and show that. But Republican registration, Republican
voter turnout is very high. If independents break heavily enough
with Republicans like they did last time, given that there's
all these new Republicans, I think Republicans can win. But
it's a lot of ifs in that sentence for it

(23:44):
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