May 15, 2025 • 33 mins
In this episode, Ryan and Carly Cooperman discuss the current state of the Democratic Party, focusing on the leadership void, voter sentiments, and the impact of geography on primaries. They explore the ideological divisions within the party, the emergence of new candidates, and the misconceptions Republicans have about Democrats. It's a Numbers Game is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back to a numbers game with Ryan Gradusky. Thank
you all for being here yet again. I hope you
like to Monday's episode on IRAN. I think it's a
little different a story that now is in the news,
but I was trying to cover it before it was.
But I want to take things back to America. Look
in our country. And I know this is a podcast
that I'm a Republican and I primarily talk to Republicans.
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The audience is conservative, but I want to spend an
episode talking about Democrats, and not even in a negative light,
but really exploring where the Democratic Party is and where
it's going. There's been a lot of news on the
direction of the Democratic Party and who their future leader
will be. And while Republicans have a clear front runner
in twenty twenty eight being Vice President of Vance, and
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even a secondary front runner being Marco Rubio, Democrats are
really lost in the wilderness. There's not a clear concise
future for them. First, there's a lot of leaks coming out.
This week started with a lot of leaks coming out
about Joe Biden, the last Democratic leader, thetmomer president, in
a new book called Original Sin, and it's about his
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cognitive decline and how the efforts on the part of
the media and the White House to hide its severity.
One of the leaks in the book I haven't read.
I'm supposed to get an advanced copy soon, but one
of the leaks that did come out was that the
White House was afraid if he fell one more time,
that he would end up in a wheelchair. I will say, personally,
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as somebody whose grandfather had Louis b dementia and I
saw somebody severely declining every single day, there were moments
in time looking at Joe Biden that it reminded me
of my grandfather in some of the worst states of
his decline. And the media and the White House cover
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it up, and the Republicans did market maybe to an
unnecessary point, but they rightfully were the only ones pointing
it out. So the book Original Sin, which comes out
I think next week, one of the authors, Alex Thompson,
told me he'll be on the podcast to talk about it,
which it's very exciting. I really want to talk about
the state that the media and the White House covered
up Joe Biden's health, and I'm actually going to ask
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hell listeners if you have a question about this and
you want me to ask a certain question at one
of the authors to Alex if he does come on,
I think he will least they will to ask him.
Shoot me an email at Ryan at numbers Game podcast
dot com. Ryan at Numbers Game Podcast. I comm and
I'll ask him when he comes on. I think that
people need to know more because so much was hit him. Anyway,
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a lot of Democrats have talked have been trying to
avoid the conversation on Joe Biden. Chuck Schumer was on
MSNBC and flat and said, we're not looking back anymore.
We're going to look into the future as if it's
not relevant, as if the last four years have not
been relevant. Even though Joe Biden is out there and
he's still doing media. He was on the View last
week talking about how he's going to prepare to take
on Trump on the stump, rigorous, eighty three year old
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Joe Biden just you know, hitting the campaign trail yet again.
And at the same time that you have the conversation
Joe Biden out in the media again and it's not
going away anytime soon, you have the negative comments and
coverage coming out of a Pennsylvania senator John Fetterman, if
you didn't read, his former chief of staff came forward
in a piece in New York Magazine saying that his
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mental state was in basically freefall and that he was
angry and lashing out staff Andator Senator Fetament deny these allegations,
but since the piece came out, more staffers have resigned
from his office, and it seemingly that the Democratic Party,
some members of the Democratic Party and Democratic activists are
cheering him leaving because he is a more moderate voice
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in the Democratic Party. Although he still has a pretty
progressive voting record, he's more moderate voice, especially on the
issue of Israel. And I think it's noteworthy if Vetterman
resigns or leaves early or doesn't run for reelection in
part because of being attacked so regularly. Now he did
have a stroke, he probably does have some cognitive issues
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because of that. But when he was running and had
cognitive issues, when he couldn't finish a sentence during his debate,
he was brave. And now that he has been a
stalwart for Israel, is you know should think about resigning
or think about retiring early. I think that's very interesting,
and especially coming out of a cycle where Joe Biden
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was healthy and rigorous and it was the best he's
ever been if you listen to Joe Scarborough and now
until he had to resign. So anyway, you look at
those two cases, those two stories going in about it,
and you look at the forward into the twenty twenty
eight election, which is, I know it seems like so
far away, but a candidate will be announcing that they
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are running for president the day after the midterm, if
not beforehand, honestly, but probably right after the midterm. You'll
have your first Democratic nominee. And I think that it's
important to look at who is floating themselves out there.
Arizona Senator Reuben Diego, he was out this in the
stump recently. A lot of these Democrats right now, by
the by, are doing small tours, big tours in some cases,
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but mostly small tours to important swing states and small
and swing regions and especially important primary and caucus states.
So you have Arizona Center Roup and Diego. He held
events in Bucks County, Pennsylvania. You have former Transportation Transportation
Secretary Pete Buddha Jeedge campaigning in Iowa with a beard
good for him. Minnesota governor and former Kamala Harris running
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mate Tim Waltz was in Wisconsin. And then you have
the media tour on podcasts coming from like Gavin Newsom
in Chicago Mayor rama Manuel. He was the he worked
for President Obama as the chief of staff, and then
he was the mayor of Chicago, and then he was
the ambassador I believed to Japan under Joe Biden. He
is being ripped on the coals in a lot of
these podcast interviews. He's doing such a horrible job, but
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he's floating idea for presidential run apparently. And then you've
Senator a Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy. They're all making the tours,
making the rounds, getting support early, and then there's the
aoc of it all. She is done across country tour
were called the Fight the Oligarchy Tour with Senator Bernie Sanders,
and it very much looks like she is possibly gearing
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up for a presidential run. Chuck Schumer's up in twenty
twenty six for the US Senate seat, but I don't
believe that she's gone a vuying for that. It'd be
very tough to oust the minority leader, especially he's been
there for so long and has so much institutional support
among organizations in New York. New York as a lifelong
New Yorker. In New York is not a progressive state
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as much as an establishment Democrat state, and certain organizations
and institutions keep the party from veering too far to
the left. It's not California, it's not Vermont. It's New York.
It's different. So I don't look at it and say
she's going to run for the Senate. I think she's
looking for and eyeing a presidential run with what she's
done so far, based upon what I've seen. But let's
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get to the numbers of all, because numbers do matter.
This is the Numbers Game podcast. It's extremely early, but
Democrat voters when asked a question of who would they
support in twenty twenty eight, Kamala Harris is the lead
because she was the former vice president. She is the
highest name ID. People remember her, people know her. That's
very very common. Sarah Palin was leading out of two
thousand and eight electional loss. There's a lot of people
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who run who lead. Paul Ryan was certainly very high
for some part after twenty twelve, just because they know
their name. That's why they slip their end and gal
and support them in these early polls. But I don't
think even Kamala Harris is going to run anyway. Second
place is either Pete Bootage Judge or Alexandro Cosia Quartez.
These are two very they're young, but they have two
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very different parts of the party that they seem to represent.
Also very high in single digits in these polls is
Corey Booker and Gavin Newsom. Corey Booker center from New Jersey,
Gavin Newsom Gaverner from California. When aggregated Democrats support Kamala
Harris a twenty seven percent, that's a very high number
for all these polls, but a very weak number overall.
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Once again, I don't think she's running. Pete Bootage was
at sixteen percent, AOC was at thirteen percent, Corey Booker
at nine, and Gavin Newsom at seven. That is a
pretty open primary. And remember, once again, Kamala Harris, if
you take her out of it, because her numbers are
maasoning name id, you have this giant hole of who
is the future, who is the leader of the Democratic Party.
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Partially that we're going to see these the future leader
comes from money. Money tells us part of that story,
because the people who donate to politics, people who sit
there and give their twenty dollars a month to a
candidate and a recurring donation online. By the way, if
you ever want to give to a candidate, giving a
recurring donation is the best way that they'll receive that money.
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Most of the money will actually go to the candidate
and not to all the fundraisers and funding. If you
do a ten dollars donation once every month for a year,
over one hundred dollars donation just a little thing. The
ten dollars donation actually goes further. But that's besides the point.
But who is giving those recurring donations in democratic politics?
Where is the grassroots? They're behind AOC. In the first
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quarter of this year, from January to March, AOC raised
nine point six million dollars for her re election campaign
in a seat that no Republican can win ever. I
mean maybe in the future sometime, but not in today,
not in twenty twenty five, not in twenty twenty six,
probably not in twenty twenty eight. That seat cannot be
won by a Republican. It's a seat that Kamahers won
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by twenty two points. So why are they giving it
to her instead of let's say, a vulnerable Democrat running
for the USN and in Michigan or running in a
vulnerable House seat. Because small dollar donors believe in her
message and they believe in her vision. They think that
she represents the future of the Democratic Party, or at
least their version of how they want it. Or maybe
she just even represents somebody who's going to fight Trump
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and Ela Musk and jad Vans and the Republican Party
as a whole. They think that she's their only effective
person really doing it. And I want to compare. Nine
million dollars is a lot of money, but I want
to just show you how much money it actually is.
Chris Murphy, the cenator from one of the wealthy estates
in the country, Connecticut, not a poor state, very wealthy.
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He's very well known, he's very ambitious, he does a
lot of media. He raised eight million. She represents one
little district. Jasmine Crockett, who's done a ba Jillian media interviews,
recently raised one point seven million, which is the same
amount that Corey Booker raised in New Jersey after giving
the large longest speech in Senate history, trying to sit
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there and raise money for himself. AOC is enormously popular
in the party and possibly the future of it if
Democratic voters across the country, because regions do matter, especially
in a presidential primary. You have to win black voters
in the South, and the Latino voters in the West,
and then you know progressive voters in the Midwest and
progressive voters in the Northeast, progressive white voters. It's very
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difficult to see that they'll all sit there and rally
around her. But so far the grassroots have opinion. They
have a pick, and AOC is right now their pick.
So the party activists, those who put their wallets and
spend their time and do the door knocking on behalf
of the Democratic Party to elect somebody they like AOC.
To quote Sally Field when she won her oscar in
nineteen eighty five, they like her, They really really like her.
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But I'm a Republican, so maybe I'm not the best
person to ask when it comes to what Democrats want
and who their party leader is. Up next is a
Democratic polster who does so stay tuned with me for
this Thursday episode. Is Democrat polster Carly Cooperman. Thank you
so much for being here.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Carly, Thank you for having me so Carly.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I want to ask a question because I think most
Americans want to know who is the leader of the
Democratic Party, because for the first time, I think it's
like nineteen ninety one, there's a void, which is nerve
wracking for some people, but it really is very exciting
because out of that nineteen ninety one void you got
Bill Clinton. Do you see a star like that emerging
or is there a leader that we just don't kind
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of forecast as a leader right now.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I don't think we know yet who the leader is.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I definitely think there's a void that came out of
the elections. Democrats are really down on their party right now.
They desperately want fresh leadership. They want people who are
going to come out with new ideas. They want people
who are going to take on Donald Trump. I don't
think today it is clear in terms of that Kamala
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Harris is going to fill that void.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I don't really see it going in that direction.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
You've got somebody like AOC who is outspoken, she is
an effective speaker, but I don't see her taking hold
of the of the party. Despite the fact that she's
been out there, there's been a strong response to her
and Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
She y had, she's raised a ton of money.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Look, I mean there's a huge positive response into her
and Sanders going on the road because no other Democrat
was doing that.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
You're right, the oligarchy tour. Yeah, let's call I'm not joking.
I think yeah. I think it's called the oligarchy Tour.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I think yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I mean, look, people, I do not think Sanders and
AOC represent a majority of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
But people were so happy. Democrats were so happy.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
To see somebody speak up because you know, the party
is down in the dumps. They are out in the wilderness.
They are trying to figure out how to come back.
Like obviously the first few months, you're going to see
some people disagreeing on what that strategy should be. And
I think the shell shock of you know, the force
for which Trump came back, pulling the levers of government
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so much more effectively than the first time around, was
just huge. But I don't I don't see her coming
in and look, there's some people on the bench who
are trying to, you know, assert themselves more. You've got
Gavin Newsom trying to come on and you know, go
on other podcasts and try to like.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
A podcast host.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Now I know, like that's that's what happened with media
this cycle.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
And you know, young people are consuming content on podcasts,
They're not consuming content through traditional news sources, and they are.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
You know, young men especially.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
There's obviously been at nausee in this amount of discussion
around it, but it's a real thing. Democrats used to
be able to rely on young voters and that is
not where things are right now.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So, yeah, the David Shore data was really like it's
very startling, even even on the Republican side. After winning,
I said, wow, those are very stark numbers. What do
Democrats want? What did Drank about Democratic voters want from
their leader? And is there a difference among age, race, sex, geography?
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Is there stark difference? Is that really does matter as
far as the future of the party, not just you
know that the young people would decide, but people in
key states decide a lot of us.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Two, is there a difference?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Well above all? Right?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Now, what Democrats want are leaders that are going to
stand up to Donald Trump. There was a poll that
came out with the End of the West we I said,
seventy five percent of Democrats want somebody who's going to
stand up to Trump, and that was stronger than anything
else in terms of ideology. If forty six percent plurality
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of Democrats said that they want, you know, the party
can stay the same, and then it was twenty percent
said it should be more liberal, twenty one percent more moderate.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
And so basically you're.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Saying they were very broken on the direction philosophically. They
were just very strongly opposed to Trump, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah, they are above all.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
It's not an ideological thing right now, above all, it's
I mean, look, opposition to Trump is something that has
historically unified Democrats above all, but there was you know,
I think part of the problem is that there husband
this leftward drift of the party over a lot of years,
and at this point, you know, I think there's an
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awareness that that is, as you know, the party has
gone too far and they want their leaders to connect.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
To work in class voters.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
This is a voting block that they used to have,
and they want they want force that's going to stand
up for Trump. I also think you know, the first
time around with Trump, you saw people have an interest
in you know, this idea of bipartisanship and you know,
working together, and I think a decade later that's kind
of out the window. That's not where people are at
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this point, and so they want there to be a stand.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah. So the thing that I want wonder is that
you have a lot of Democrats who kind of float
ideas that are i would say, quote unquote moderate. Right,
it's for like you'll see like a John Fetterman talk
about like Israel, or you'll see I forget his name now,
the congressman from Massachusetts who was like biological men don't
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belong in girls sports, or you'll see one once in
a while they'll float something up. VINCENTE. Gonzalez voted for
the law that named after the young woman murdered by
Eliba Alien in Georgia, whose name also just slipped my mind.
Really good to my research and my memory today, but
it will come to me the minute this segment completely ends.
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I'm like, this is the law. But you see that,
and then there's like a big pushback among like the twitterverse,
who don't really represent the average voter, because most voters
aren't on Twitter, but the fear of being mocked on
Twitter drives a lot of discourse. Do you think that
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that is true and that someone will be like, hey, listen,
we'll stick to our progressive values on healthcare or gun control,
but we're going to moderate on the border, you know
what I mean something like that, where they're going to
look for things because there are issues that Democrats are
much more popular with the average American on, and then
there's some issues that Republicans are much more popular than
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the average American on. And I think what Trump was
able to do is really abandon a lot of conservative
issues like abortion that was not popular with the average
American and say, no, we're not going to do a
nationwide bam, We're not going to do anything like that.
On healthcare, really don't really know what Trump's position was,
but it was like, we're going to take care of everybody,
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and yeah, exactly. But do you see a Democrat willing
to sit there and the same way that Trump was
willing to tell pro lifers, hey, guess what, we got
everything you're going to get from us, and then that's
that and the rest of it you deal with on
your state level issues, do you think that a Democrat
would do on let's say the border for example, Well.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I absolutely think that the party if you look at
like the average kind of center where the party is
on something like immigration at the border, it is one
hundred percent moved to the right from where it used
to be.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I mean, you have Democrats coming out and just just
speaking acknowledging you know, immigration has gotten out of control.
You know, what's coming into the border is too much.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
We support getting illegal immigrants, especially who are convicted felons,
to leave. I like, so I think that there has
been shift in a response to where you know, the
American the electorate really is on that kind of issue.
Donald Trump has done a very effective job, you know,
really hitting home that issue. And when he was running
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list hear that in the economy, the cost of living,
you know, he connected to voters on those issues, and
the Democrats were far too late scrambling to acknowledge that.
And so I do think you're seeing to some extent
a response and a willingness to.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Come there.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
But I also think part of the problem with the
Democrats last cycle is that they were really afraid to
go out there on Twitter for instance, and or on
podcasts and let them be you know, exposed to those
sorts of attacks, you know, something like abortion rights. Democrats
squarely were in the majority in terms of their attitudes
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to that issue. Most Americans. Polling shows time at time
again nationally in swing states that people believe there is
a legal right to abortion. And so we saw that
that helped the Democrats in twenty twenty two. There were
a lot of bowet inities that were being put on
balves that people thought were going to help, you know,
in terms of the actual presidential election, and so great,
you know, they can talk about that, but at the
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end of the day, it was very clear that in
a cycle where people felt like the cost of living
was too high in their day to day was too hard,
that just wasn't important. And so I do think they
absolutely need to and there will there has to be
if they're going to be successful in the midterms, some
kind of reconciliation.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
So I want to talk about geography because I think
it's a story and a narrative as someone who worked
on politics basically my whole life. The only other job
I ever had was Victoria's Secret So this is like
my whole kid in kaboodle. I mean, I have geography
is a very important narrative that people don't cover because
have the Democratic have the Democratic primary not had such
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a strong emphasis in the Deep South, on the Southeast
so early, it wouldn't Joe Biden would have never been
nomine He would have been saved. He was saved by
black voters in this southeast. Bill Clinton was saved by
black voters in Southeast. Barack Obama was helped by progressive
white voters in Iowa who gave him a chance and
legitimize his candidacy. Geography really matters where the party. I think. Listen,
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if in twenty sixteen had the Republican primary been Iowa
than Texas, Ted Cruz likely would have been a nominee
and not Donald Trump. Geography does matter. The primary start
of this year in South Carolina. They said we're going
to start them in South Carolina stead of Iowa and
New Hampshire. That will be very, I think important when
it comes to progressives trying to get a foothole because
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South Carolina Democrats are not the more progressive members of
the bunch. That's more of establishment state in democratic politics.
Do you think that if they continue that it's a
way for the party really to avoid a case where
maybe the more left winger would come in. And do
you think that that's act my take on it is
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accurate kind of prognostication of the party.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah, I think it's a really fair point you're making.
I think that.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
The Democratic Party is not going to change it in
a way where you have some of the states that
are really far left or have a stronger far left
presence go first.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
It's just happen now.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
No matter what you're going to see in four years,
I think you're going to see a wide range of
candidates come forward, and you're going to have some on
the far left. I think the ones who've been most
successful in a voice or at least in the conversations
about potential in the future. Pete Bouja, Gretchen Whitmer, you know,
knew some like we talked about JB. Pritzcare like those
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kind of people, the ones AOC aside tend to, you know,
be ones that are attempting to be more modern.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
But also it's about that where we are right now
is a country I barring.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
You know, there's a lot of crazy that I'm sure
is still yet to come from Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I cannot see us being in a place where the
shift could go that far back to the left.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
And so, you know, kind of responding to the moment
of where we are in politics right now, I think
the Democratic Party has to continue thinking about those sorts
of states and it really does matter, but there's more
to it that matters to in terms of just being
able to build that coalition and the momentum. And I
don't see that being a far left candidate right now.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Really, what about Josh Shapiro, because that's the name you
haven't said so far, and it is two Republicans. Republicans
feel like Jos Shapiro. He does have an Obama accent.
I'll just sit there and say that he does kind
of speak like I've never met a Jew who has
a blackbeet preacher accent besides Jos Shapiro. But that aside,
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he's extremely popular in a very critical state and a
lot of Republicans saw that he was stepped aside, and
that there is kind of this big question mark of
does he have obviously is a place in the Democratic Party,
but does he have a future where he would be
the leader Wes Moore. He said he's not going to
run and let's see if he sticks to that. But
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Wes Moore is also a very very viable Canada government
crea and super amazing resume, really young, black, you know everything.
Do you think that Josh Shapiro because he is frankly,
because he's Jewish, faces a big problem within a certain
fraction of the party.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I mean it's a concern I have. I did not
intentionally leave off jos Shapiro.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
No, I know, I'm not blaming you. I'm just it
just came my mind.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, because I think he's one hundred percent one of
the rising stars future of the party.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
He you know, people respond really well to him. He is.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
His favorability readings last year round the election, I mean
it was higher than almost any governor I would argue
in any state, upwards of sixty percent. Very well liked,
perceived as more moderate, and I know a lot of
people that were disappointed that he was not the Democratic nominee.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I was shocked. Yeah, I was genuinely.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Shout in terms of like how that went down.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, they heard the meeting went badly.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, no, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I do have concern about a Jewish person too, though,
it's tough. I mean, same with Pee poota judge and
having a gay person get elected. And by the way,
Kamala Harris, there are a lot of things that went
wrong with that campaign, but she was a woman, and
you know, it's not left to be unsaid that our
country is not yet elected a female president either. So
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it's a big country and there are a lot of
you know, specific demographic car.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, and don't I don't think that in the same
way that I don't think and this is just my
personal take. I don't think the Democratic Party is going
to nominate Pee poota judge, in part because I don't
think he can win over black voters in the South
in the primary. I don't think that the Republican Party
is going to nominate a gay person either, even if
there was one. There's not one on the horizon, but
if there was one, I don't think that that would
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be a possibility. Despite you know, they like certain figures
are our gay I don't think they would do that.
I don't think that the Republican parties don made a
woman in the near future either. And I don't think
that and my person because I don't think the Democratic
Party will too after being burned by Hillary and Kamla.
Do you get that from from Democratic voters?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I completely agree. I mean, I don't know that it's
being said as frankly and as honestly.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
As I'm just saying it like it is. I mean
whatever I mean, people could disagree with me, but I
think that that's what I see it.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Oh, I do. Look, I also think I mean the
movement that we're seeing in America around like a resurgence
in religion right like even the response to you know,
having a pope from America.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I feel like there is this cultural moment right now
in the country that is going back to you know
what tends to be associated with right word policies. But
it makes some of these demographic groups harder to see
as somebody who's going to get elected nationally.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
And that's the reality of things right now.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Okay, last shoe questions. One, What are like two or
three things that you could think of that you think
Republicans don't understand about Democrats but they should.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Republicans don't.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Well, I would say, uh, for a lot of Democrats,
you know, issues like climate change, you know, LGBTQ issues,
things like that that you know there's a values component
to it, and I think that it matters to Democrats,
but I think too many many Democrats it is not
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the top of mind or like issues that are driving them.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And I think that at this point.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Partially you know, as you know, giving credit to effective
communications on the Republican side, and you know, I think
Democrats have been painted out to be this very far
left leaning, really out of touch, like wacky liberal kind
of thing, and I don't really think that speaks the
truth to a lot of Democrats. And it's a messaging
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problem too. But I feel like there is a misperception
at this point of where a lot of Democrats are.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
What are now? I mean, is the economy still the
number one issue for Democrats going to rights as of
right now? I guess stopping Trump will be number one,
and I guess the economy probably number two. What is
a ray if you looked at all the polling and
I've looked at a lot of polling obviously going into
the midterms and into these special elections, what are give
me one or two things that Democrats have twoth look
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of that's positive in this moment.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Well, I think that there's a belief that Trump is
going too far.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I mean tariffs like tariffs one, two, and three, right
like he Trump got elected because he convinced people that
he understood how expensive life was for them. You know,
he said that everything was going to get more affordable.
And I mean it's been a roller coaster over the
last two months with what's happening right now.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
But now he's having a message that we should.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
All endure a short term, short term pain for this
long term, you know, complete reshuffling of how the.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Global economy is going to work.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
And yet now he's backing away from that, and there's
a lot of inconsistency. I don't see how this doesn't
make life more expensive for people in the short term.
And I think that it gives Democrats an opportunity to
come back to their own economic message and connect with
working class voters.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
So that's a good positive for Democrats if they can,
if they can hit on the moment, because I always
say different politics is like an open window. It's only
open for a little while and then it's shut And
asked Chris Christy, once it's shut, its sometimes it never reopens. Carly,
where can people go to read more about you? You're
pulling your information.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
I'm on Exit Cartley Cooperman and you know I write
up eds and the like off and on the Hill.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Oh and I go on Fox News.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Okay, well, well, Carly, thank you for being on this podcast.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
You're listening to It's a Numbers Game with Ryan Grodowski.
We'll be right back after this message. Our question today
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me Ryan at Numbers Game podcast dot com. That's Ryan
at numbers Plural gamepodcast dot com. Okay. To Jared's question,
he asked, when will labor unions wake up and oppose
mass migration as a wage suppression scheme. That is a
great question, Jared. So, Donald Trump's candidcy back in twenty
twenty four last year was probably the most not most likely,
(30:28):
but it was. It was the most pro union nomination
or Republicans had in decades. I mean, you have to
probably go back to Nixon or even further. And it
received actually very little union support as far as the
organization goes, not union voters, voters who are members of
a union, but the organizations. Trump received a lot of
support from police unions, some the Border Patrol union, and
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he got I think one steam fitters union and one
steel workers union, but they were local unions and that
was it. Famously, the TA Seamsters did not endorse, which
is a big deal, but it wasn't like they jumped
to the Republican side, despite Trump doing everything he can
to really ask them for it. But part of the
problem with the unions is that they are partisan, like
they are activists within the Democratic Party. The AFLCIO is
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a wing of the Democratic Party. I don't think that
they care so much about the best interests of their
voters as much as they care about the best interests
of the party as a whole. They're just an arm
of it. There used to be a time in our
country where Democrats and unions, but a lot of times
union and union activists really opposed illegal immigration and mass immigration.
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Ceesar Harbez, the great union activists of the twentieth century.
We used to call illegal aliens wetbacks on a regular basis.
He was a very big opponent against illegal immigration. He
was Hispanic, He was a Democrat, He was a progressive Democrat.
He was a labor activist, but he realized that you
could not be pro labor and pro illegal immigration and
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mass immigration. That was a very big part of the
Democratic Party and the unions as a whole. I don't
think that's going to change unless the union leadership has changed,
because I think where rank and file voters are within
the union is not the same place that union leadership is.
It's a lot like the Catholic Church in any ways.
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The Catholic Church, the cardinals are much more progressive than
the younger priests are. And I think the union leadership
is much more progressive and aligned with Democratic politicians than
the actual rank and file members are. And I think
that that's not going to change until the non establishment
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figures within these unions start winning their union presidencies and
their elections, which they are very expensive, costly elections where
union members vote. That's I mean, that's basically until they change.
I don't think that it's going to change. The Teamsters
union is the only one I could see the major
union maybe changing now that they are at least willing
to say, hey, our votes possibly up in the future.
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They did just doors Josh Holly for re election in Missouri.
I think that maybe they'll be the first ones if
we see one, but I wouldn't hold my breath on
seeing one. Hopefully one day. I think it's important. I
think that they will benefit from that. They'd be a
big boom for union and for a lower wage for
workers to sit there and increase their wages if we
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crack down on mass migration. But they have to be
there and their leaders supposed to be there. So thank
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next week.
Welcome back to a numbers game with Ryan Gradusky. Thank
you all for being here yet again. I hope you
like to Monday's episode on IRAN. I think it's a
little different a story that now is in the news,
but I was trying to cover it before it was.
But I want to take things back to America. Look
in our country. And I know this is a podcast
that I'm a Republican and I primarily talk to Republicans.
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The audience is conservative, but I want to spend an
episode talking about Democrats, and not even in a negative light,
but really exploring where the Democratic Party is and where
it's going. There's been a lot of news on the
direction of the Democratic Party and who their future leader
will be. And while Republicans have a clear front runner
in twenty twenty eight being Vice President of Vance, and
(00:43):
even a secondary front runner being Marco Rubio, Democrats are
really lost in the wilderness. There's not a clear concise
future for them. First, there's a lot of leaks coming out.
This week started with a lot of leaks coming out
about Joe Biden, the last Democratic leader, thetmomer president, in
a new book called Original Sin, and it's about his
(01:04):
cognitive decline and how the efforts on the part of
the media and the White House to hide its severity.
One of the leaks in the book I haven't read.
I'm supposed to get an advanced copy soon, but one
of the leaks that did come out was that the
White House was afraid if he fell one more time,
that he would end up in a wheelchair. I will say, personally,
(01:24):
as somebody whose grandfather had Louis b dementia and I
saw somebody severely declining every single day, there were moments
in time looking at Joe Biden that it reminded me
of my grandfather in some of the worst states of
his decline. And the media and the White House cover
(01:46):
it up, and the Republicans did market maybe to an
unnecessary point, but they rightfully were the only ones pointing
it out. So the book Original Sin, which comes out
I think next week, one of the authors, Alex Thompson,
told me he'll be on the podcast to talk about it,
which it's very exciting. I really want to talk about
the state that the media and the White House covered
up Joe Biden's health, and I'm actually going to ask
(02:07):
hell listeners if you have a question about this and
you want me to ask a certain question at one
of the authors to Alex if he does come on,
I think he will least they will to ask him.
Shoot me an email at Ryan at numbers Game podcast
dot com. Ryan at Numbers Game Podcast. I comm and
I'll ask him when he comes on. I think that
people need to know more because so much was hit him. Anyway,
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a lot of Democrats have talked have been trying to
avoid the conversation on Joe Biden. Chuck Schumer was on
MSNBC and flat and said, we're not looking back anymore.
We're going to look into the future as if it's
not relevant, as if the last four years have not
been relevant. Even though Joe Biden is out there and
he's still doing media. He was on the View last
week talking about how he's going to prepare to take
on Trump on the stump, rigorous, eighty three year old
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Joe Biden just you know, hitting the campaign trail yet again.
And at the same time that you have the conversation
Joe Biden out in the media again and it's not
going away anytime soon, you have the negative comments and
coverage coming out of a Pennsylvania senator John Fetterman, if
you didn't read, his former chief of staff came forward
in a piece in New York Magazine saying that his
(03:11):
mental state was in basically freefall and that he was
angry and lashing out staff Andator Senator Fetament deny these allegations,
but since the piece came out, more staffers have resigned
from his office, and it seemingly that the Democratic Party,
some members of the Democratic Party and Democratic activists are
cheering him leaving because he is a more moderate voice
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in the Democratic Party. Although he still has a pretty
progressive voting record, he's more moderate voice, especially on the
issue of Israel. And I think it's noteworthy if Vetterman
resigns or leaves early or doesn't run for reelection in
part because of being attacked so regularly. Now he did
have a stroke, he probably does have some cognitive issues
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because of that. But when he was running and had
cognitive issues, when he couldn't finish a sentence during his debate,
he was brave. And now that he has been a
stalwart for Israel, is you know should think about resigning
or think about retiring early. I think that's very interesting,
and especially coming out of a cycle where Joe Biden
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was healthy and rigorous and it was the best he's
ever been if you listen to Joe Scarborough and now
until he had to resign. So anyway, you look at
those two cases, those two stories going in about it,
and you look at the forward into the twenty twenty
eight election, which is, I know it seems like so
far away, but a candidate will be announcing that they
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are running for president the day after the midterm, if
not beforehand, honestly, but probably right after the midterm. You'll
have your first Democratic nominee. And I think that it's
important to look at who is floating themselves out there.
Arizona Senator Reuben Diego, he was out this in the
stump recently. A lot of these Democrats right now, by
the by, are doing small tours, big tours in some cases,
(05:01):
but mostly small tours to important swing states and small
and swing regions and especially important primary and caucus states.
So you have Arizona Center Roup and Diego. He held
events in Bucks County, Pennsylvania. You have former Transportation Transportation
Secretary Pete Buddha Jeedge campaigning in Iowa with a beard
good for him. Minnesota governor and former Kamala Harris running
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mate Tim Waltz was in Wisconsin. And then you have
the media tour on podcasts coming from like Gavin Newsom
in Chicago Mayor rama Manuel. He was the he worked
for President Obama as the chief of staff, and then
he was the mayor of Chicago, and then he was
the ambassador I believed to Japan under Joe Biden. He
is being ripped on the coals in a lot of
these podcast interviews. He's doing such a horrible job, but
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he's floating idea for presidential run apparently. And then you've
Senator a Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy. They're all making the tours,
making the rounds, getting support early, and then there's the
aoc of it all. She is done across country tour
were called the Fight the Oligarchy Tour with Senator Bernie Sanders,
and it very much looks like she is possibly gearing
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up for a presidential run. Chuck Schumer's up in twenty
twenty six for the US Senate seat, but I don't
believe that she's gone a vuying for that. It'd be
very tough to oust the minority leader, especially he's been
there for so long and has so much institutional support
among organizations in New York. New York as a lifelong
New Yorker. In New York is not a progressive state
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as much as an establishment Democrat state, and certain organizations
and institutions keep the party from veering too far to
the left. It's not California, it's not Vermont. It's New York.
It's different. So I don't look at it and say
she's going to run for the Senate. I think she's
looking for and eyeing a presidential run with what she's
done so far, based upon what I've seen. But let's
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get to the numbers of all, because numbers do matter.
This is the Numbers Game podcast. It's extremely early, but
Democrat voters when asked a question of who would they
support in twenty twenty eight, Kamala Harris is the lead
because she was the former vice president. She is the
highest name ID. People remember her, people know her. That's
very very common. Sarah Palin was leading out of two
thousand and eight electional loss. There's a lot of people
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who run who lead. Paul Ryan was certainly very high
for some part after twenty twelve, just because they know
their name. That's why they slip their end and gal
and support them in these early polls. But I don't
think even Kamala Harris is going to run anyway. Second
place is either Pete Bootage Judge or Alexandro Cosia Quartez.
These are two very they're young, but they have two
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very different parts of the party that they seem to represent.
Also very high in single digits in these polls is
Corey Booker and Gavin Newsom. Corey Booker center from New Jersey,
Gavin Newsom Gaverner from California. When aggregated Democrats support Kamala
Harris a twenty seven percent, that's a very high number
for all these polls, but a very weak number overall.
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Once again, I don't think she's running. Pete Bootage was
at sixteen percent, AOC was at thirteen percent, Corey Booker
at nine, and Gavin Newsom at seven. That is a
pretty open primary. And remember, once again, Kamala Harris, if
you take her out of it, because her numbers are
maasoning name id, you have this giant hole of who
is the future, who is the leader of the Democratic Party.
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Partially that we're going to see these the future leader
comes from money. Money tells us part of that story,
because the people who donate to politics, people who sit
there and give their twenty dollars a month to a
candidate and a recurring donation online. By the way, if
you ever want to give to a candidate, giving a
recurring donation is the best way that they'll receive that money.
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Most of the money will actually go to the candidate
and not to all the fundraisers and funding. If you
do a ten dollars donation once every month for a year,
over one hundred dollars donation just a little thing. The
ten dollars donation actually goes further. But that's besides the point.
But who is giving those recurring donations in democratic politics?
Where is the grassroots? They're behind AOC. In the first
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quarter of this year, from January to March, AOC raised
nine point six million dollars for her re election campaign
in a seat that no Republican can win ever. I
mean maybe in the future sometime, but not in today,
not in twenty twenty five, not in twenty twenty six,
probably not in twenty twenty eight. That seat cannot be
won by a Republican. It's a seat that Kamahers won
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by twenty two points. So why are they giving it
to her instead of let's say, a vulnerable Democrat running
for the USN and in Michigan or running in a
vulnerable House seat. Because small dollar donors believe in her
message and they believe in her vision. They think that
she represents the future of the Democratic Party, or at
least their version of how they want it. Or maybe
she just even represents somebody who's going to fight Trump
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and Ela Musk and jad Vans and the Republican Party
as a whole. They think that she's their only effective
person really doing it. And I want to compare. Nine
million dollars is a lot of money, but I want
to just show you how much money it actually is.
Chris Murphy, the cenator from one of the wealthy estates
in the country, Connecticut, not a poor state, very wealthy.
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He's very well known, he's very ambitious, he does a
lot of media. He raised eight million. She represents one
little district. Jasmine Crockett, who's done a ba Jillian media interviews,
recently raised one point seven million, which is the same
amount that Corey Booker raised in New Jersey after giving
the large longest speech in Senate history, trying to sit
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there and raise money for himself. AOC is enormously popular
in the party and possibly the future of it if
Democratic voters across the country, because regions do matter, especially
in a presidential primary. You have to win black voters
in the South, and the Latino voters in the West,
and then you know progressive voters in the Midwest and
progressive voters in the Northeast, progressive white voters. It's very
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difficult to see that they'll all sit there and rally
around her. But so far the grassroots have opinion. They
have a pick, and AOC is right now their pick.
So the party activists, those who put their wallets and
spend their time and do the door knocking on behalf
of the Democratic Party to elect somebody they like AOC.
To quote Sally Field when she won her oscar in
nineteen eighty five, they like her, They really really like her.
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But I'm a Republican, so maybe I'm not the best
person to ask when it comes to what Democrats want
and who their party leader is. Up next is a
Democratic polster who does so stay tuned with me for
this Thursday episode. Is Democrat polster Carly Cooperman. Thank you
so much for being here.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Carly, Thank you for having me so Carly.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I want to ask a question because I think most
Americans want to know who is the leader of the
Democratic Party, because for the first time, I think it's
like nineteen ninety one, there's a void, which is nerve
wracking for some people, but it really is very exciting
because out of that nineteen ninety one void you got
Bill Clinton. Do you see a star like that emerging
or is there a leader that we just don't kind
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of forecast as a leader right now.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I don't think we know yet who the leader is.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I definitely think there's a void that came out of
the elections. Democrats are really down on their party right now.
They desperately want fresh leadership. They want people who are
going to come out with new ideas. They want people
who are going to take on Donald Trump. I don't
think today it is clear in terms of that Kamala
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Harris is going to fill that void.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I don't really see it going in that direction.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
You've got somebody like AOC who is outspoken, she is
an effective speaker, but I don't see her taking hold
of the of the party. Despite the fact that she's
been out there, there's been a strong response to her
and Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
She y had, she's raised a ton of money.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Look, I mean there's a huge positive response into her
and Sanders going on the road because no other Democrat
was doing that.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
You're right, the oligarchy tour. Yeah, let's call I'm not joking.
I think yeah. I think it's called the oligarchy Tour.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I think yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I mean, look, people, I do not think Sanders and
AOC represent a majority of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
But people were so happy. Democrats were so happy.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
To see somebody speak up because you know, the party
is down in the dumps. They are out in the wilderness.
They are trying to figure out how to come back.
Like obviously the first few months, you're going to see
some people disagreeing on what that strategy should be. And
I think the shell shock of you know, the force
for which Trump came back, pulling the levers of government
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so much more effectively than the first time around, was
just huge. But I don't I don't see her coming
in and look, there's some people on the bench who
are trying to, you know, assert themselves more. You've got
Gavin Newsom trying to come on and you know, go
on other podcasts and try to like.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
A podcast host.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Now I know, like that's that's what happened with media
this cycle.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
And you know, young people are consuming content on podcasts,
They're not consuming content through traditional news sources, and they are.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
You know, young men especially.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
There's obviously been at nausee in this amount of discussion
around it, but it's a real thing. Democrats used to
be able to rely on young voters and that is
not where things are right now.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So, yeah, the David Shore data was really like it's
very startling, even even on the Republican side. After winning,
I said, wow, those are very stark numbers. What do
Democrats want? What did Drank about Democratic voters want from
their leader? And is there a difference among age, race, sex, geography?
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Is there stark difference? Is that really does matter as
far as the future of the party, not just you
know that the young people would decide, but people in
key states decide a lot of us.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Two, is there a difference?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Well above all? Right?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Now, what Democrats want are leaders that are going to
stand up to Donald Trump. There was a poll that
came out with the End of the West we I said,
seventy five percent of Democrats want somebody who's going to
stand up to Trump, and that was stronger than anything
else in terms of ideology. If forty six percent plurality
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of Democrats said that they want, you know, the party
can stay the same, and then it was twenty percent
said it should be more liberal, twenty one percent more moderate.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
And so basically you're.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Saying they were very broken on the direction philosophically. They
were just very strongly opposed to Trump, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah, they are above all.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
It's not an ideological thing right now, above all, it's
I mean, look, opposition to Trump is something that has
historically unified Democrats above all, but there was you know,
I think part of the problem is that there husband
this leftward drift of the party over a lot of years,
and at this point, you know, I think there's an
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awareness that that is, as you know, the party has
gone too far and they want their leaders to connect.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
To work in class voters.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
This is a voting block that they used to have,
and they want they want force that's going to stand
up for Trump. I also think you know, the first
time around with Trump, you saw people have an interest
in you know, this idea of bipartisanship and you know,
working together, and I think a decade later that's kind
of out the window. That's not where people are at
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this point, and so they want there to be a stand.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah. So the thing that I want wonder is that
you have a lot of Democrats who kind of float
ideas that are i would say, quote unquote moderate. Right,
it's for like you'll see like a John Fetterman talk
about like Israel, or you'll see I forget his name now,
the congressman from Massachusetts who was like biological men don't
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belong in girls sports, or you'll see one once in
a while they'll float something up. VINCENTE. Gonzalez voted for
the law that named after the young woman murdered by
Eliba Alien in Georgia, whose name also just slipped my mind.
Really good to my research and my memory today, but
it will come to me the minute this segment completely ends.
(17:05):
I'm like, this is the law. But you see that,
and then there's like a big pushback among like the twitterverse,
who don't really represent the average voter, because most voters
aren't on Twitter, but the fear of being mocked on
Twitter drives a lot of discourse. Do you think that
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that is true and that someone will be like, hey, listen,
we'll stick to our progressive values on healthcare or gun control,
but we're going to moderate on the border, you know
what I mean something like that, where they're going to
look for things because there are issues that Democrats are
much more popular with the average American on, and then
there's some issues that Republicans are much more popular than
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the average American on. And I think what Trump was
able to do is really abandon a lot of conservative
issues like abortion that was not popular with the average
American and say, no, we're not going to do a
nationwide bam, We're not going to do anything like that.
On healthcare, really don't really know what Trump's position was,
but it was like, we're going to take care of everybody,
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and yeah, exactly. But do you see a Democrat willing
to sit there and the same way that Trump was
willing to tell pro lifers, hey, guess what, we got
everything you're going to get from us, and then that's
that and the rest of it you deal with on
your state level issues, do you think that a Democrat
would do on let's say the border for example, Well.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I absolutely think that the party if you look at
like the average kind of center where the party is
on something like immigration at the border, it is one
hundred percent moved to the right from where it used
to be.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I mean, you have Democrats coming out and just just
speaking acknowledging you know, immigration has gotten out of control.
You know, what's coming into the border is too much.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
We support getting illegal immigrants, especially who are convicted felons,
to leave. I like, so I think that there has
been shift in a response to where you know, the
American the electorate really is on that kind of issue.
Donald Trump has done a very effective job, you know,
really hitting home that issue. And when he was running
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list hear that in the economy, the cost of living,
you know, he connected to voters on those issues, and
the Democrats were far too late scrambling to acknowledge that.
And so I do think you're seeing to some extent
a response and a willingness to.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Come there.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
But I also think part of the problem with the
Democrats last cycle is that they were really afraid to
go out there on Twitter for instance, and or on
podcasts and let them be you know, exposed to those
sorts of attacks, you know, something like abortion rights. Democrats
squarely were in the majority in terms of their attitudes
(19:49):
to that issue. Most Americans. Polling shows time at time
again nationally in swing states that people believe there is
a legal right to abortion. And so we saw that
that helped the Democrats in twenty twenty two. There were
a lot of bowet inities that were being put on
balves that people thought were going to help, you know,
in terms of the actual presidential election, and so great,
you know, they can talk about that, but at the
(20:10):
end of the day, it was very clear that in
a cycle where people felt like the cost of living
was too high in their day to day was too hard,
that just wasn't important. And so I do think they
absolutely need to and there will there has to be
if they're going to be successful in the midterms, some
kind of reconciliation.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
So I want to talk about geography because I think
it's a story and a narrative as someone who worked
on politics basically my whole life. The only other job
I ever had was Victoria's Secret So this is like
my whole kid in kaboodle. I mean, I have geography
is a very important narrative that people don't cover because
have the Democratic have the Democratic primary not had such
(20:51):
a strong emphasis in the Deep South, on the Southeast
so early, it wouldn't Joe Biden would have never been
nomine He would have been saved. He was saved by
black voters in this southeast. Bill Clinton was saved by
black voters in Southeast. Barack Obama was helped by progressive
white voters in Iowa who gave him a chance and
legitimize his candidacy. Geography really matters where the party. I think. Listen,
(21:13):
if in twenty sixteen had the Republican primary been Iowa
than Texas, Ted Cruz likely would have been a nominee
and not Donald Trump. Geography does matter. The primary start
of this year in South Carolina. They said we're going
to start them in South Carolina stead of Iowa and
New Hampshire. That will be very, I think important when
it comes to progressives trying to get a foothole because
(21:34):
South Carolina Democrats are not the more progressive members of
the bunch. That's more of establishment state in democratic politics.
Do you think that if they continue that it's a
way for the party really to avoid a case where
maybe the more left winger would come in. And do
you think that that's act my take on it is
(21:57):
accurate kind of prognostication of the party.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah, I think it's a really fair point you're making.
I think that.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
The Democratic Party is not going to change it in
a way where you have some of the states that
are really far left or have a stronger far left
presence go first.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
It's just happen now.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
No matter what you're going to see in four years,
I think you're going to see a wide range of
candidates come forward, and you're going to have some on
the far left. I think the ones who've been most
successful in a voice or at least in the conversations
about potential in the future. Pete Bouja, Gretchen Whitmer, you know,
knew some like we talked about JB. Pritzcare like those
(22:38):
kind of people, the ones AOC aside tend to, you know,
be ones that are attempting to be more modern.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
But also it's about that where we are right now
is a country I barring.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
You know, there's a lot of crazy that I'm sure
is still yet to come from Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I cannot see us being in a place where the
shift could go that far back to the left.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
And so, you know, kind of responding to the moment
of where we are in politics right now, I think
the Democratic Party has to continue thinking about those sorts
of states and it really does matter, but there's more
to it that matters to in terms of just being
able to build that coalition and the momentum. And I
don't see that being a far left candidate right now.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Really, what about Josh Shapiro, because that's the name you
haven't said so far, and it is two Republicans. Republicans
feel like Jos Shapiro. He does have an Obama accent.
I'll just sit there and say that he does kind
of speak like I've never met a Jew who has
a blackbeet preacher accent besides Jos Shapiro. But that aside,
(23:43):
he's extremely popular in a very critical state and a
lot of Republicans saw that he was stepped aside, and
that there is kind of this big question mark of
does he have obviously is a place in the Democratic Party,
but does he have a future where he would be
the leader Wes Moore. He said he's not going to
run and let's see if he sticks to that. But
(24:04):
Wes Moore is also a very very viable Canada government
crea and super amazing resume, really young, black, you know everything.
Do you think that Josh Shapiro because he is frankly,
because he's Jewish, faces a big problem within a certain
fraction of the party.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I mean it's a concern I have. I did not
intentionally leave off jos Shapiro.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
No, I know, I'm not blaming you. I'm just it
just came my mind.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, because I think he's one hundred percent one of
the rising stars future of the party.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
He you know, people respond really well to him. He is.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
His favorability readings last year round the election, I mean
it was higher than almost any governor I would argue
in any state, upwards of sixty percent. Very well liked,
perceived as more moderate, and I know a lot of
people that were disappointed that he was not the Democratic nominee.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I was shocked. Yeah, I was genuinely.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Shout in terms of like how that went down.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, they heard the meeting went badly.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, no, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I do have concern about a Jewish person too, though,
it's tough. I mean, same with Pee poota judge and
having a gay person get elected. And by the way,
Kamala Harris, there are a lot of things that went
wrong with that campaign, but she was a woman, and
you know, it's not left to be unsaid that our
country is not yet elected a female president either. So
(25:28):
it's a big country and there are a lot of
you know, specific demographic car.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, and don't I don't think that in the same
way that I don't think and this is just my
personal take. I don't think the Democratic Party is going
to nominate Pee poota judge, in part because I don't
think he can win over black voters in the South
in the primary. I don't think that the Republican Party
is going to nominate a gay person either, even if
there was one. There's not one on the horizon, but
if there was one, I don't think that that would
(25:55):
be a possibility. Despite you know, they like certain figures
are our gay I don't think they would do that.
I don't think that the Republican parties don made a
woman in the near future either. And I don't think
that and my person because I don't think the Democratic
Party will too after being burned by Hillary and Kamla.
Do you get that from from Democratic voters?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I completely agree. I mean, I don't know that it's
being said as frankly and as honestly.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
As I'm just saying it like it is. I mean
whatever I mean, people could disagree with me, but I
think that that's what I see it.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Oh, I do. Look, I also think I mean the
movement that we're seeing in America around like a resurgence
in religion right like even the response to you know,
having a pope from America.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I feel like there is this cultural moment right now
in the country that is going back to you know
what tends to be associated with right word policies. But
it makes some of these demographic groups harder to see
as somebody who's going to get elected nationally.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
And that's the reality of things right now.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Okay, last shoe questions. One, What are like two or
three things that you could think of that you think
Republicans don't understand about Democrats but they should.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Republicans don't.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Well, I would say, uh, for a lot of Democrats,
you know, issues like climate change, you know, LGBTQ issues,
things like that that you know there's a values component
to it, and I think that it matters to Democrats,
but I think too many many Democrats it is not
(27:28):
the top of mind or like issues that are driving them.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And I think that at this point.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Partially you know, as you know, giving credit to effective
communications on the Republican side, and you know, I think
Democrats have been painted out to be this very far
left leaning, really out of touch, like wacky liberal kind
of thing, and I don't really think that speaks the
truth to a lot of Democrats. And it's a messaging
(27:55):
problem too. But I feel like there is a misperception
at this point of where a lot of Democrats are.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
What are now? I mean, is the economy still the
number one issue for Democrats going to rights as of
right now? I guess stopping Trump will be number one,
and I guess the economy probably number two. What is
a ray if you looked at all the polling and
I've looked at a lot of polling obviously going into
the midterms and into these special elections, what are give
me one or two things that Democrats have twoth look
(28:22):
of that's positive in this moment.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Well, I think that there's a belief that Trump is
going too far.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I mean tariffs like tariffs one, two, and three, right
like he Trump got elected because he convinced people that
he understood how expensive life was for them. You know,
he said that everything was going to get more affordable.
And I mean it's been a roller coaster over the
last two months with what's happening right now.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
But now he's having a message that we should.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
All endure a short term, short term pain for this
long term, you know, complete reshuffling of how the.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Global economy is going to work.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
And yet now he's backing away from that, and there's
a lot of inconsistency. I don't see how this doesn't
make life more expensive for people in the short term.
And I think that it gives Democrats an opportunity to
come back to their own economic message and connect with
working class voters.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
So that's a good positive for Democrats if they can,
if they can hit on the moment, because I always
say different politics is like an open window. It's only
open for a little while and then it's shut And
asked Chris Christy, once it's shut, its sometimes it never reopens. Carly,
where can people go to read more about you? You're
pulling your information.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
I'm on Exit Cartley Cooperman and you know I write
up eds and the like off and on the Hill.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Oh and I go on Fox News.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Okay, well, well, Carly, thank you for being on this podcast.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
You're listening to It's a Numbers Game with Ryan Grodowski.
We'll be right back after this message. Our question today
and they Ask Me Anything segment actually comes from on
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Smith spelled but Jared. And if you want to be
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(30:06):
me Ryan at Numbers Game podcast dot com. That's Ryan
at numbers Plural gamepodcast dot com. Okay. To Jared's question,
he asked, when will labor unions wake up and oppose
mass migration as a wage suppression scheme. That is a
great question, Jared. So, Donald Trump's candidcy back in twenty
twenty four last year was probably the most not most likely,
(30:28):
but it was. It was the most pro union nomination
or Republicans had in decades. I mean, you have to
probably go back to Nixon or even further. And it
received actually very little union support as far as the
organization goes, not union voters, voters who are members of
a union, but the organizations. Trump received a lot of
support from police unions, some the Border Patrol union, and
(30:52):
he got I think one steam fitters union and one
steel workers union, but they were local unions and that
was it. Famously, the TA Seamsters did not endorse, which
is a big deal, but it wasn't like they jumped
to the Republican side, despite Trump doing everything he can
to really ask them for it. But part of the
problem with the unions is that they are partisan, like
they are activists within the Democratic Party. The AFLCIO is
(31:17):
a wing of the Democratic Party. I don't think that
they care so much about the best interests of their
voters as much as they care about the best interests
of the party as a whole. They're just an arm
of it. There used to be a time in our
country where Democrats and unions, but a lot of times
union and union activists really opposed illegal immigration and mass immigration.
(31:40):
Ceesar Harbez, the great union activists of the twentieth century.
We used to call illegal aliens wetbacks on a regular basis.
He was a very big opponent against illegal immigration. He
was Hispanic, He was a Democrat, He was a progressive Democrat.
He was a labor activist, but he realized that you
could not be pro labor and pro illegal immigration and
(32:01):
mass immigration. That was a very big part of the
Democratic Party and the unions as a whole. I don't
think that's going to change unless the union leadership has changed,
because I think where rank and file voters are within
the union is not the same place that union leadership is.
It's a lot like the Catholic Church in any ways.
(32:22):
The Catholic Church, the cardinals are much more progressive than
the younger priests are. And I think the union leadership
is much more progressive and aligned with Democratic politicians than
the actual rank and file members are. And I think
that that's not going to change until the non establishment
(32:43):
figures within these unions start winning their union presidencies and
their elections, which they are very expensive, costly elections where
union members vote. That's I mean, that's basically until they change.
I don't think that it's going to change. The Teamsters
union is the only one I could see the major
union maybe changing now that they are at least willing
to say, hey, our votes possibly up in the future.
(33:04):
They did just doors Josh Holly for re election in Missouri.
I think that maybe they'll be the first ones if
we see one, but I wouldn't hold my breath on
seeing one. Hopefully one day. I think it's important. I
think that they will benefit from that. They'd be a
big boom for union and for a lower wage for
workers to sit there and increase their wages if we
(33:25):
crack down on mass migration. But they have to be
there and their leaders supposed to be there. So thank
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