July 3, 2025 • 29 mins
In this episode, Ryan discusses the current state of American pride as reflected in a Gallup poll, highlighting the stark differences in sentiment across political ideologies and generations. He reflects on the achievements of America and critiques the self-hatred observed in younger generations. The conversation shifts to immigration and demographic changes, including the Great Replacement Theory, and concludes with an Ask Me Anything segment addressing listener questions about immigration policies. It's a Numbers Game is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome back to a Numbers Game podcast. Thank you so
much for being here this Thursday, July third. I want
to start off by saying happy Independence Date everybody. Fourth
of July is probably my favorite holiday because it's a
relatively low maidenance day. People are just in a good mood.
You don't have to buy presence. I've never personally been
to a bad Fourth of July party. Then again, my
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friends don't really shoot rockets off their heads and ended
an ambulance. So I encourage everybody, if you're celebrating with
some fireworks and you're celebrating your nation's birthday by blowing
part of it up, to act responsibly. Gallup had a
new pull out regarding how many Americans how Americans feel
about their country. Only fifty eight percent so that they
were either very or extremely proud to be American. It
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is the lowest number since Galup started asking the question
back in two thousand and one. There was a stark
difference based on political ideology. However, ninety two percent of
Republicans reported to be very or extremely proud of their country.
This is a greater percentage than in two thousand and one.
Following the nine to eleven attacks. The number of Independents, however,
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fell to an all time low of fifty three percent,
down from fifty eight percent the year prior. Democrats, however,
are not so in love with America right now. Only
thirty six percent of Democrats that they were either very
or extremely proud to be an American. That's down from
sixty percent the year prior. Now, obviously that's all to
do with politics, right, I mean, we all know what
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happened last year. Donald Trump was like to president and
forty two percent of the people and there was a
big drop down right from Biden's presidency to Trump's presidency.
We all kind of see the writing on the wall.
It's all political. Republicans' feelings towards the country is less wavering,
though depending on who's president than Democrats. The first year
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of Obama's presidency, ninety two percent of Republicans said they
were extremely proud to be an American. In the last
year of his presidency was eighty nine nine percent, and
in the first year of Biden's presidency was eighty seven percent.
There was a stark decline because of COVID, and then
you know, it bounced back up. Republicans This is crazy,
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this number that I pulled out from here. Republicans were
more proud of their country during every year of Obama
and Biden's presidencies than Democrats. And there is a general
trajectory for Democrats right it is continually declining. And that's
partially because of an age difference. Right as Silent Generation
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and Baby Boomers are getting older and starting to die
off and Gen Z is coming of age, this age
difference is even more illuminating. Only forty one percent of
Gen Z reports that they are proud to be an American,
and the same issue for only fifty eight percent of millennials,
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compared to seventy one percent of Gen xers and seventy
five percent of Baby Boomers. For the Silent Generation, it's
eighty three percent. That's the Joe Biden age demographic. Once again, though,
there's a stark difference between people based on their politics.
Eighty seven percent of millennials who are Republicans say they
are proud to be proud to be an American, proud
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of this country. Only forty four percent of millennial Democrats
say the same. Sixty five percent of Gen Z Republicans
say they're proud to be, you know, an American compared
to twenty four percent of Gen Z Democrats. These people,
and I try really hard in this podcast not to
be super narrative and to just give a lot of
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fact based ideas, but I have to give a narrative
on this thing, on this topic, specifically, as we're getting
close to the fourth of July. These people, these democrats,
especially in Gen Z and Millennials, my generation, they are
so steeped in self hatred to a level that it
shows their own ignorance. Do you not realize how you
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are to be in this country at this time, a
time of relative peace and immense prosperity. Your sons aren't
being drafted, You're not being drafted. You can become a
millionaire by having a social media page. And you know, yes,
there's a lot of turbulence on the horizon, but no
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different and actually quite a bit less than most other
times in the history of our world. This episode's gonna
be a hodgepodge of different topics today because there's a
lot to really cover and there's no singular theme like
I try to do it. It's there's a lot of
data I want to nerd out about. For a second.
But I would be remiss to sit there and not
spend a second and say why I'm proud to be
an American. Through the course of human events, never has
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there been a place which foundational principles are based on order, liberty,
and prosperity through human freedom. I know critics of this
country love to point out that we're not perfect, as
if we invented all the evils of the world. But
if you take a step back from the focoing in
view of post structuralism, you would realize that no civilization
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in history has freed the lives of more people. Not
only through the chains of slavery we be able to
have to talk about every forty five seconds, but from
the iron curtain of communism, from disease, from famine, from
civil war, from fascism. Even at times when it wasn't
completely altruistic, we did it. Americans were the ones who
did it in the last twenty years alone. George W. Bush,
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who I am no fan of right, I don't like
most of his presidency, but his policies alone on prefar
save twenty five million people from dying of AIDS in Africa.
Twenty five million people from one country from one president
who did one thing, and that is a footnote on America.
That's just that's literally a footnote on all the things
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we have done. It's our scientists who discovered cures for
polio and advanced treatments for cancer, and groundbreaking research on
everything from Parkinson's to Alzheimer's. Ailing people across the globe
have a spark of hope because an American is working
to save their lives, even though they'll never know them.
In the last century, it was American men who died
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on beaches and in jungles and in deserts of foreign
land with the hopes of giving freedom from either fascism
or communism or Islamic tyranny to people who were too ungrateful,
too often to even understand their sacrifice. It's our institutions
that I have only created groundbreaking art and music, but
our beautiful institutions that have preserved shreds of human achievement
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in all those fields for each generation to enjoy. Yeah,
it's not perfect, but who said it has to be. People,
especially progressives, think that peace and prosperity is the starting
point of the human experience, That if it's the baseline,
that if we got rid of all the things that
made us American, we would still be peaceful and prosperous.
But we are the exception to the rule. Human history
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is built on failing governments and unimaginable levels of poverty
and instability. The horrors of history is the baseline, and
we are the exception. America, to me is the pinnacle
of Western civilization. All the roads that started in Athens
and Greece, and Rome and Jerusalem, they took us through
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the ages of the enlightenment and reason, have led us
to this place. And it is only because of the
tireless work of American men to build these institutions, to
defend this place, to build this country from a wild continent,
that we have a shred of what we enjoy that
oftentimes we don't deserve. This country wasn't built on slavery,
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or by immigrants, or by or for an elite few.
It was built on the backs of Western men. And
is about time that we acted grateful for what they
did and did our part to preserve it. And it's
about time we had an ounce of self respect for
what we have achieved as a people. We have done
more for the world than any other people in history.
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So many people like to point out how different we
are and how you know, diverse we are, and we
have no shared ancestry, and we're just an idea, which
is like the thing that drives me crazy. We're just
as melting potful of ideas. And that's true to a point,
but it's an important point. As of twenty ten, according
to ancestry dot com, sixty percent of the American population
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could trace their ancestry back to COLONIALUS in the Revolution
one of their ancestors, not all of them, but one
hundred and eighty three million Americans alive today or as
of twenty ten, had at least one ancestor living in
this place two hundred and forty nine years ago when
this country was born. We have more in common than
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people like to believe. And it's not just on the
ideas of our shared American experiences. And even for those
of us with no link to the past, people who
fully chose to be part of this country, to have
part of our share experience to become an American. We
are united by our greatness as a people. We are
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all the descendants of Washington and Lincoln and Roosevelt and
Bell and Edwards and Jobs and Sulk and Latimer and
Oppenheimer of Boone and Lindenberg and Armstrong and Presley and
Jackson and Dylan, and the great artists and engineers and
scientists and leaders and generals who built the foundation the
world lives on today. We are Americans, and we have
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to start acting like it. We are destined for greatness
because we are a great country, and the only thing
that can stop us is our own gluttony and greed
and envy. But every one of you should be proud
to be an American, proud of this country. And I
hope to live a life deserving of the sacrifices of
all the men and women who came before me. I
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know that's a rand. I don't like to go on rants,
but I needed to say it. We'll be back with
numbers for the numbers game that is not a narrative
right after this message. Stay tuned. So these two things
I want to talk about for the rest of the
show their immigration slash demographic related. So first, after Zoron
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Mandani won the Democratic primary, a number of conservative commentators
noted that it was time to put a moratorium on immigration.
After all the capitalist hating anti Semitic nominee for the
Democratic Party is an immigrant from Uganda, and he received
the support of many immigrants in New York City, especially
in the Asian and Muslim community. Well, Charlie Kirk said
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something to the effect of, you know, we need to stop.
We need a moratorium and immigration. And then Franklins, the
Republican polster, who hasn't been right on anything since New
York was a prairie, came out with a tweet spouting
that forty six percent of Fortune five hundred company founders
were either immigrants or the kids of immigrants, So that
would like include Donald Trump. His company's not a Fortune
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five hundred, but that would include him because his mother,
Mary was born in Scotland. And just as long as
we're all keeping track, well, I looked it up because
that seems startling to me, and then I thought, I
wonder what countries they come from, right, because there's this
trope about from people who are critical, sorry, people who
are supportive of mass immigration. They lobby it against people
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who are critical of just endless supplies of people, and
they use the term immigrant like it's like a bag
of oranges, right, if you want one you got to
get them all. You can't select which ones you want.
You can only you can't choose the one ripe one,
even if you need it for a recipe. You got
to get forty of them. You can't get the one
you need for the recipe. So the study that Frank
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cited comes from the American Immigration Council, which is basically
an organication that promotes open borders. Conveniently, not only do
they not list the nations of origin from these immigrants,
they don't even give you the list of immigrant and
the children immigrants who are the founders. They haven't done
that since two thousand and eleven, so I had to
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go back to the two thousand and eleven list. It
includes people like Jeff Bezos, who has two American born parents,
but he has a Cuban stepfather, So I mean they
he's counted as a son of an immigrant because his
mom remarried a Cuban man. That seems like a stretch
to me from people trying to make a point, trying to,
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you know, create a narrative. Other people listed in this
list of immigrants and children immigrants include Alexander Graham Bell,
who immigrated to the States in eighteen seventy one. Well,
that doesn't seem remotely like it's related to anything to
do with our current immigration system, does it? In fact,
in the twenty eleven list, I looked at the top
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twenty two fortune five hundred company founders. Sixteen of them
were born before the year nineteen hundred, some of them
born in countries that don't even exist anymore. Why would
you list that? Like, what does that have to do
at all with our current immigration system? Like? What on
earth does it matter that Walt Disney had a father
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born in Canada who immigrated in eighteen seventy six to
look for gold in California. It matters. It's completely irrelevant
to the conversation immigration. It's just to write a headline,
to make a narrative to attack anybody who supports any
restrictions on immigration at all. What about living founders? Right,
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because obviously the list that Frank cited, which he believed
without even doing any research whatsoever, what at living founders?
In twenty eighteen, Forbes wrote an article that fifty five
percent a billion dollars start had one immigrant co founder,
and they actually listed them. It was from a study
from the National Foundation of American policy. Well, the billion
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dollar co founders of these companies came from twenty five countries.
Can you guess what countries? Well, here it goes in
order of how many billionaire founders they produced. These are
the list of countries. Canada and Israel they both have
nine co founders as of twenty eighteen. Then India, the
United Kingdom, China, Germany, France, Ireland, Russia, Australia, Ukraine, Armenia, Azabaijan, Bulgaria, Denmark, Iraq, Italy, Lebanon,
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the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, South Africa. You can guess
who that one was. It was Beekistan and Vietnam. Well,
how did those countries reflect in America's overall immigration numbers?
I plugged it into rock and examining the average number
of immigrants that came to this US to the US
overlast four years from those countries, they represent just thirty
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percent of immigrants national origin. Right, So those thirty So
the thirty percent, all those billionaires would represent the immigrant
population from thirty percent of all immigrants. And that's actually
if you take out China and India, which I mean
you wouldn't, but China and India represent twenty of that
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thirty percent, which would make sense. They're the two largest
countries in the world by population. So our immigration system
that brings over billionaire entrepreneurs and tech giants and you know,
future founders of Google, doesn't represent are doesn't represent you know,
our immigrations from at all. Our immigrations some overall, brings
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in people that will never not only never co found
a billion dollar business, but no one from their nation
of origin will co found a billion dollar business, right
I mean, I don't mean I don't dislike any people
from any specific country just because they're from that country.
Everyone has good and bad people, YadA, YadA, YadA. But
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as far as the idea of creating billion dollar companies,
you have a better chance of getting struck by lightning
several times in a row and then winning lottery than
you do of some people from that country creating a
billion dollar business. It is just a fact. So with
the exception of Uzbekistan, Iraq, and Lebanon, which all had
one billionaire co founder, all these immigrants come from Europe,
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East Asia, and India, and that is not surprising. There
is a book called The Hive Mind by economist professor
Garrett Jones, who I invite on this podcast and he
turned me down. It's okay, I'm not better. He is
brilliant and he doesn't have to like me for me
to respect him anyway. He wrote in the book Hive
Mind that nations have SAT scores. Basically, if a country
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has a state history that is a formal state history,
like they formed a government, that's the S. An agricultural
history that's the A, and a technological history that's the
that matches where the most advanced societies were in the
years zero, one thousand and fifteen hundred. Those countries will
overwhelmingly produce high performing immigrants. They will have they will
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invent more, they will save more. They're high producing, high functioning,
high IQ societies. You know, basically, what our ancestors did
a thousand years ago or several hundred years ago details
kind of how we're going to perform today, you know.
And he also says in the book, you are better
being a dumb person in a smart country than a
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smart person in a dumb country. And when enough people
from high IQ countries high SAT score countries move to
other regions, they tend to improve their overall economies and
many times become economic dominant minorities. Getting back to Lunce,
he repeated a lie about open from an open borders
group because he wanted to believe it was true. He
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wanted the lie perpetuated by neoliberals to be true, so
when it was not, and did not do a shred
of thinking about it and say this seems odd? Is
this true? When were these immigrants coming here? Where did
they come from? And furthermore, people say immigrants do all
these fabulous things. I think it's worth saying where did
they come from? Because the idea that is perpetuated by
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the diversity delusion that every person, whether they come from
Haiti or hal Effects, is equally likely to generate the
same level of economic output isn't true. It's just it's
not a fact, and we are going to get thrown
that out there. And I think that if you are
somebody who's more on the immigration restriction aside like I am,
it's worth having that answer pointed out and ready when
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it goes just sit there and say what country do
that immigrant come from? Where do all these immigrants come from?
If they're all coming from three specific regions of the world,
why aren't almost all of our immigrants coming from three
specific regions of the world. Okay, next point, and I
want to make this quickly. The census data came out,
came out and found that during the last year of
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Trump's presidency and the four years of Biden's presidency, the
Native white population shranked by three million people, including about
two hundred and fifty thousand people last year. Now, a
lot of that can be contributed to COVID deaths. Back
in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, you know, a
lot of people did pass away, a lot of older people.
There was also a spike in the number of people
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reclassifying themselves as being Native American during the Floyd Riots.
You know, it was not it's not politically, economically, or
culturally wonderful to be a white person during that time.
And there's something called fleeing from whiteness where people discover
their one eighth Native American and now they're Cherokee, and
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they can re change all of their documentation to make
sure their kid gets a scholarship from a college, or
gets into a college, or gets a job, or gets
a government grant. All of the major institutions at the time,
although some of them are starting to change because of
the Supreme Court case absolutely put their thumb on the
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scale against specifically white men. But there was also a
general decline because of low birth rates, which has been
below replacement levels for decades. Remember, you need two point
one children on average per woman to sustain a population
from one generation to the next. Now, even though the
white population dec overall shrank, it did grow in seventeen states,
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three that voted for Kamala Harris, New Hampshire, Maine, and Delaware,
and fourteen that voted for Trump Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming,
South Dakota, Texas, Tennessee, Alabama, Florida, Arkansas, Missouri, and the Carolinas,
both north and south. On my substack, I broke down
county by county where you could see the white population
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whether it increased, and how it voted in the twenty
twenty four election. And what you see when you look
at the entire map of all the counties is they
mostly moved to red counties or they had a higher
birth rate in red counties, but they fled, especially from
urban areas where crime was extremely high during the Floyd Riots.
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The only states that saw the white population decline in
every county was Illinois and Rhode Island. But the biggest takeaway,
the several biggest takeaways, the biggest takeaways is one Rural America,
especially in the Rust Belt, Appalachia and the Prairie states,
are dying. They're just there. The economies are collapsed and
the populations are declining with them substantially. People, white Americans
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especially are fleeing from big blue states like Illinois, California,
and New York in droves. But rather than just picking
up and going to red cities or says cities in
red states, and it's happening in a few places like Nashville, Miami,
they are choosing to live in smaller cities and excerpts
of major metropolitan areas. The white population of the city
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of Atlanta grew a little bit, but in the suburbs
it shrunk as well. The egxerbs is where it exploded.
They chose to live in exxerb communities that are more
politically like them, probably more racially like them, have more
values like they do. There is a realignment going on
where people are choosing to move. It will eventually have,
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you know, changes within the congressional lines over time. I
guess maybe, well, maybe not, because immigrants do replace they
are having immigrants replace Americans in those cities for those populations,
but it will it will have a point specifically with voting,
for sure at some point. There have also been pockets
of rural Americas that did see some level population growth
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for white Americans because of a high concentration of highly
religious people. These include Orthodox Jews in Rockland County, Latin
Mass Catholics in Patawami and Newca Counties. Kansas. Seriously, Kansas,
you could make that easier for me. I spoke at
your damn convention, and Amish people in Holmes County, Ohio,
and Lagrange and Adams Counties in Indiana. I say this
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just to say that there's a lot of online conversation
about something called the Great Replacement theory, the idea that
Western governments are purposely replacing their native white populations with immigrants.
Now there is, you know, an insane level of adoration
for mass immigration on the part of Western nations that
you don't see in other parts of the world, like
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in the Far East, where birth rates are declining, in
populations are declining, there's still a demand to keep their
culture intact, which is not the same in Western nations.
In most parts of Western nations, but what's really causing
the mass decline of native white populations is that you
don't have enough children. If anyone choosing to be replaced,
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it's the decision by white Americans to not have kids.
Granted there's a big difference between progressive whites and conservative whites.
Progressive whites have an extremely low birth rate. But to
anyone complaining, which is mostly right wingers, about a great replacement,
my first question to you, because I hate complainers, my
first question to you is how many kids do you have?
Because if the answer is three or less, I don't
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really want to hear you talk about or sorry, if
it's less than three, If it's maybe two, I was
even think two. If it's under two, I don't want
to hear you talk about being replaced. I just don't
want to have a conversation. If you're like my grandma
and you had eleven kids and you want to talk
about it, I'll hear your complaint. But if you have
no kids and you just live online to complain, maybe
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go on a date, maybe talk to a girl, maybe
have a little experiment of having a life outside being
online that might do something. I know. It's a strange
set of topics today. It's kind of a michmash. We're
in summer, it's not an election this week, so I
thought I bring you some interesting numbers that are out there.
You're listening to It's a numbers game with Ryan Gradsky.
We'll be right back now for the Ask Me Anything
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segment of the show. I have to to tell you.
I used to get so few questions that I would
text friends and like family members and my employees and
be like, I don't have any questions, Send me a question.
Now I have so many questions in the backlog, which
I appreciate beyond belief that Monday's episode is going to
be a full ask Me Anything segment because I gotta
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get through some of these questions. I promise my listeners
I will answer all their questions, and we are going
to be waiting until Christmas to get me through September
if I don't start doing a full episode based on it.
So I'm very excited if you have questions that you
would like me to answer and they Ask Me Anything
segment of the show. Email me Ryan at Numbers Gamepodcast
dot com. That's Ryan at numbers Plural Numbers gamepodcast dot com.
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And I will answer your questions either through one on
one email or I will answer them on the show.
Today's question comes from Kyle Carson. He writes, Ryan, I
appreciated your podcast our Jay Homan. I think he raises
some excellent points. However, in light of the OBB that's
the big beautiful bill passing in the Senate inclusion for
greater ICE funding, I am skeptical that we simply can
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throw money at the issue to actually fulfill mass deportations.
I support increasing ICE and it will certainly allow for
more deportations. However, I do not think we can achieve
mass deportation unless the White House use its full power
and Red states get involved. It should have supported chip
Roy's amendment to significantly drag on deportations in the courts.
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Left wing interest groups are forcing the White House to
do deportations one by one because illegal aliens are suing
under Article three. Trump should invoke section eight of the
US Code eleven eleven three, Section A ten. This would
allow for street level immigration enforcement by state and local police. Basically,
every local police department with the consent of the chief,
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and the city would now be an ICE officer and
can do effective immigration arrests on their own. DISANTUS four
for this provision in Florida and wants to force every
Florida police department to follow it. Question or what are
your thoughts on Trump's plan to do to facto amnesty
to Farm's Best Kyle, Okay, Kyle, thank you so much,
great question. All right, first point, yes, I agree that
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it's not possible for ICE just simply do fifteen to
twenty million deportations of illegal aliens, especially with the way
the courts are right now, it takes months and sometimes years.
There are, however, over a million illegal aliens in our
country today who have already had their full legal proceedings
done and were issued war issued notices that they had
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to leave the country, and then they stayed. Those people
can go immediately if they are upon being arrested. They
don't have to have more court cases. They've had a
million court cases. But how we entice illegal aliens leave
our country is you do self deportation. I mean it's
cheaper and it's faster. The Bureau for Labor Statistics stated
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that a million non citizens. About a million have already
dropped out of the workforce. There's no telling whether or
not they went to their home country, but they're no
longer showing up for work. A migration policy paper found
that and estimated five thousand migrants self deported in the
first three months of the Trump presidency, and immigration judges
have granted voluntary deportation for almost nine hundred illegal immigrants
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in the month of May alone. Now there's a lot
of stories in places like the New York Times and
the Los Angeles Times about people self deporting, but it's
hard to get real numbers about how effective it is
because they're not It's just, you know, stories about this
crying mother and how her life is so hard to
just go back to I don't know, Dominican Republic or whatever,
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or Mexico. But as far as real numbers goes, it's very,
very difficult to actually get hard numbers. Given that no
one is coming through our southern border and that illegal
immigration is at a record low, we are definitely seeing
overall net illegal immigration population in this country declining every month.
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It seems obvious as far as the farm raiders go,
this was originally a plan brought on by Agricultural Secretary
Brook Rollins. I covered it on my podcast with Marco
Corean a couple of weeks ago. The plan was proposed,
but according to the New York Times, it was almost
immediately reversed and rates on farms have continued. So that's
all the information I have on that. I haven't seen
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anywhere that Trump has actually gone back again and changed
his mind. Great questions. I agree though, that we need
to do more to fix this system and get rid
of our illegal alien population and restructure our illegal immigration system.
I think those two ideas that you put out there
are very very smart. So we'll see what happens and
maybe I'll get some hard numbers to report for you. Anyway,
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thank you. Come back again Monday whole episode of Ask
Me Anything Questions. Looking forward to it. Please like and
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I'll see you guys on Monday, and Happy Independence Day.
Welcome back to a Numbers Game podcast. Thank you so
much for being here this Thursday, July third. I want
to start off by saying happy Independence Date everybody. Fourth
of July is probably my favorite holiday because it's a
relatively low maidenance day. People are just in a good mood.
You don't have to buy presence. I've never personally been
to a bad Fourth of July party. Then again, my
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friends don't really shoot rockets off their heads and ended
an ambulance. So I encourage everybody, if you're celebrating with
some fireworks and you're celebrating your nation's birthday by blowing
part of it up, to act responsibly. Gallup had a
new pull out regarding how many Americans how Americans feel
about their country. Only fifty eight percent so that they
were either very or extremely proud to be American. It
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is the lowest number since Galup started asking the question
back in two thousand and one. There was a stark
difference based on political ideology. However, ninety two percent of
Republicans reported to be very or extremely proud of their country.
This is a greater percentage than in two thousand and one.
Following the nine to eleven attacks. The number of Independents, however,
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fell to an all time low of fifty three percent,
down from fifty eight percent the year prior. Democrats, however,
are not so in love with America right now. Only
thirty six percent of Democrats that they were either very
or extremely proud to be an American. That's down from
sixty percent the year prior. Now, obviously that's all to
do with politics, right, I mean, we all know what
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happened last year. Donald Trump was like to president and
forty two percent of the people and there was a
big drop down right from Biden's presidency to Trump's presidency.
We all kind of see the writing on the wall.
It's all political. Republicans' feelings towards the country is less wavering,
though depending on who's president than Democrats. The first year
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of Obama's presidency, ninety two percent of Republicans said they
were extremely proud to be an American. In the last
year of his presidency was eighty nine nine percent, and
in the first year of Biden's presidency was eighty seven percent.
There was a stark decline because of COVID, and then
you know, it bounced back up. Republicans This is crazy,
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this number that I pulled out from here. Republicans were
more proud of their country during every year of Obama
and Biden's presidencies than Democrats. And there is a general
trajectory for Democrats right it is continually declining. And that's
partially because of an age difference. Right as Silent Generation
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and Baby Boomers are getting older and starting to die
off and Gen Z is coming of age, this age
difference is even more illuminating. Only forty one percent of
Gen Z reports that they are proud to be an American,
and the same issue for only fifty eight percent of millennials,
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compared to seventy one percent of Gen xers and seventy
five percent of Baby Boomers. For the Silent Generation, it's
eighty three percent. That's the Joe Biden age demographic. Once again, though,
there's a stark difference between people based on their politics.
Eighty seven percent of millennials who are Republicans say they
are proud to be proud to be an American, proud
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of this country. Only forty four percent of millennial Democrats
say the same. Sixty five percent of Gen Z Republicans
say they're proud to be, you know, an American compared
to twenty four percent of Gen Z Democrats. These people,
and I try really hard in this podcast not to
be super narrative and to just give a lot of
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fact based ideas, but I have to give a narrative
on this thing, on this topic, specifically, as we're getting
close to the fourth of July. These people, these democrats,
especially in Gen Z and Millennials, my generation, they are
so steeped in self hatred to a level that it
shows their own ignorance. Do you not realize how you
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are to be in this country at this time, a
time of relative peace and immense prosperity. Your sons aren't
being drafted, You're not being drafted. You can become a
millionaire by having a social media page. And you know, yes,
there's a lot of turbulence on the horizon, but no
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different and actually quite a bit less than most other
times in the history of our world. This episode's gonna
be a hodgepodge of different topics today because there's a
lot to really cover and there's no singular theme like
I try to do it. It's there's a lot of
data I want to nerd out about. For a second.
But I would be remiss to sit there and not
spend a second and say why I'm proud to be
an American. Through the course of human events, never has
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there been a place which foundational principles are based on order, liberty,
and prosperity through human freedom. I know critics of this
country love to point out that we're not perfect, as
if we invented all the evils of the world. But
if you take a step back from the focoing in
view of post structuralism, you would realize that no civilization
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in history has freed the lives of more people. Not
only through the chains of slavery we be able to
have to talk about every forty five seconds, but from
the iron curtain of communism, from disease, from famine, from
civil war, from fascism. Even at times when it wasn't
completely altruistic, we did it. Americans were the ones who
did it in the last twenty years alone. George W. Bush,
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who I am no fan of right, I don't like
most of his presidency, but his policies alone on prefar
save twenty five million people from dying of AIDS in Africa.
Twenty five million people from one country from one president
who did one thing, and that is a footnote on America.
That's just that's literally a footnote on all the things
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we have done. It's our scientists who discovered cures for
polio and advanced treatments for cancer, and groundbreaking research on
everything from Parkinson's to Alzheimer's. Ailing people across the globe
have a spark of hope because an American is working
to save their lives, even though they'll never know them.
In the last century, it was American men who died
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on beaches and in jungles and in deserts of foreign
land with the hopes of giving freedom from either fascism
or communism or Islamic tyranny to people who were too ungrateful,
too often to even understand their sacrifice. It's our institutions
that I have only created groundbreaking art and music, but
our beautiful institutions that have preserved shreds of human achievement
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in all those fields for each generation to enjoy. Yeah,
it's not perfect, but who said it has to be. People,
especially progressives, think that peace and prosperity is the starting
point of the human experience, That if it's the baseline,
that if we got rid of all the things that
made us American, we would still be peaceful and prosperous.
But we are the exception to the rule. Human history
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is built on failing governments and unimaginable levels of poverty
and instability. The horrors of history is the baseline, and
we are the exception. America, to me is the pinnacle
of Western civilization. All the roads that started in Athens
and Greece, and Rome and Jerusalem, they took us through
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the ages of the enlightenment and reason, have led us
to this place. And it is only because of the
tireless work of American men to build these institutions, to
defend this place, to build this country from a wild continent,
that we have a shred of what we enjoy that
oftentimes we don't deserve. This country wasn't built on slavery,
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or by immigrants, or by or for an elite few.
It was built on the backs of Western men. And
is about time that we acted grateful for what they
did and did our part to preserve it. And it's
about time we had an ounce of self respect for
what we have achieved as a people. We have done
more for the world than any other people in history.
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So many people like to point out how different we
are and how you know, diverse we are, and we
have no shared ancestry, and we're just an idea, which
is like the thing that drives me crazy. We're just
as melting potful of ideas. And that's true to a point,
but it's an important point. As of twenty ten, according
to ancestry dot com, sixty percent of the American population
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could trace their ancestry back to COLONIALUS in the Revolution
one of their ancestors, not all of them, but one
hundred and eighty three million Americans alive today or as
of twenty ten, had at least one ancestor living in
this place two hundred and forty nine years ago when
this country was born. We have more in common than
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people like to believe. And it's not just on the
ideas of our shared American experiences. And even for those
of us with no link to the past, people who
fully chose to be part of this country, to have
part of our share experience to become an American. We
are united by our greatness as a people. We are
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all the descendants of Washington and Lincoln and Roosevelt and
Bell and Edwards and Jobs and Sulk and Latimer and
Oppenheimer of Boone and Lindenberg and Armstrong and Presley and
Jackson and Dylan, and the great artists and engineers and
scientists and leaders and generals who built the foundation the
world lives on today. We are Americans, and we have
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to start acting like it. We are destined for greatness
because we are a great country, and the only thing
that can stop us is our own gluttony and greed
and envy. But every one of you should be proud
to be an American, proud of this country. And I
hope to live a life deserving of the sacrifices of
all the men and women who came before me. I
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know that's a rand. I don't like to go on rants,
but I needed to say it. We'll be back with
numbers for the numbers game that is not a narrative
right after this message. Stay tuned. So these two things
I want to talk about for the rest of the
show their immigration slash demographic related. So first, after Zoron
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Mandani won the Democratic primary, a number of conservative commentators
noted that it was time to put a moratorium on immigration.
After all the capitalist hating anti Semitic nominee for the
Democratic Party is an immigrant from Uganda, and he received
the support of many immigrants in New York City, especially
in the Asian and Muslim community. Well, Charlie Kirk said
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something to the effect of, you know, we need to stop.
We need a moratorium and immigration. And then Franklins, the
Republican polster, who hasn't been right on anything since New
York was a prairie, came out with a tweet spouting
that forty six percent of Fortune five hundred company founders
were either immigrants or the kids of immigrants, So that
would like include Donald Trump. His company's not a Fortune
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five hundred, but that would include him because his mother,
Mary was born in Scotland. And just as long as
we're all keeping track, well, I looked it up because
that seems startling to me, and then I thought, I
wonder what countries they come from, right, because there's this
trope about from people who are critical, sorry, people who
are supportive of mass immigration. They lobby it against people
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who are critical of just endless supplies of people, and
they use the term immigrant like it's like a bag
of oranges, right, if you want one you got to
get them all. You can't select which ones you want.
You can only you can't choose the one ripe one,
even if you need it for a recipe. You got
to get forty of them. You can't get the one
you need for the recipe. So the study that Frank
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cited comes from the American Immigration Council, which is basically
an organication that promotes open borders. Conveniently, not only do
they not list the nations of origin from these immigrants,
they don't even give you the list of immigrant and
the children immigrants who are the founders. They haven't done
that since two thousand and eleven, so I had to
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go back to the two thousand and eleven list. It
includes people like Jeff Bezos, who has two American born parents,
but he has a Cuban stepfather, So I mean they
he's counted as a son of an immigrant because his
mom remarried a Cuban man. That seems like a stretch
to me from people trying to make a point, trying to,
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you know, create a narrative. Other people listed in this
list of immigrants and children immigrants include Alexander Graham Bell,
who immigrated to the States in eighteen seventy one. Well,
that doesn't seem remotely like it's related to anything to
do with our current immigration system, does it? In fact,
in the twenty eleven list, I looked at the top
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twenty two fortune five hundred company founders. Sixteen of them
were born before the year nineteen hundred, some of them
born in countries that don't even exist anymore. Why would
you list that? Like, what does that have to do
at all with our current immigration system? Like? What on
earth does it matter that Walt Disney had a father
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born in Canada who immigrated in eighteen seventy six to
look for gold in California. It matters. It's completely irrelevant
to the conversation immigration. It's just to write a headline,
to make a narrative to attack anybody who supports any
restrictions on immigration at all. What about living founders? Right,
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because obviously the list that Frank cited, which he believed
without even doing any research whatsoever, what at living founders?
In twenty eighteen, Forbes wrote an article that fifty five
percent a billion dollars start had one immigrant co founder,
and they actually listed them. It was from a study
from the National Foundation of American policy. Well, the billion
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dollar co founders of these companies came from twenty five countries.
Can you guess what countries? Well, here it goes in
order of how many billionaire founders they produced. These are
the list of countries. Canada and Israel they both have
nine co founders as of twenty eighteen. Then India, the
United Kingdom, China, Germany, France, Ireland, Russia, Australia, Ukraine, Armenia, Azabaijan, Bulgaria, Denmark, Iraq, Italy, Lebanon,
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the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, South Africa. You can guess
who that one was. It was Beekistan and Vietnam. Well,
how did those countries reflect in America's overall immigration numbers?
I plugged it into rock and examining the average number
of immigrants that came to this US to the US
overlast four years from those countries, they represent just thirty
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percent of immigrants national origin. Right, So those thirty So
the thirty percent, all those billionaires would represent the immigrant
population from thirty percent of all immigrants. And that's actually
if you take out China and India, which I mean
you wouldn't, but China and India represent twenty of that
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thirty percent, which would make sense. They're the two largest
countries in the world by population. So our immigration system
that brings over billionaire entrepreneurs and tech giants and you know,
future founders of Google, doesn't represent are doesn't represent you know,
our immigrations from at all. Our immigrations some overall, brings
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in people that will never not only never co found
a billion dollar business, but no one from their nation
of origin will co found a billion dollar business, right
I mean, I don't mean I don't dislike any people
from any specific country just because they're from that country.
Everyone has good and bad people, YadA, YadA, YadA. But
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as far as the idea of creating billion dollar companies,
you have a better chance of getting struck by lightning
several times in a row and then winning lottery than
you do of some people from that country creating a
billion dollar business. It is just a fact. So with
the exception of Uzbekistan, Iraq, and Lebanon, which all had
one billionaire co founder, all these immigrants come from Europe,
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East Asia, and India, and that is not surprising. There
is a book called The Hive Mind by economist professor
Garrett Jones, who I invite on this podcast and he
turned me down. It's okay, I'm not better. He is
brilliant and he doesn't have to like me for me
to respect him anyway. He wrote in the book Hive
Mind that nations have SAT scores. Basically, if a country
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has a state history that is a formal state history,
like they formed a government, that's the S. An agricultural
history that's the A, and a technological history that's the
that matches where the most advanced societies were in the
years zero, one thousand and fifteen hundred. Those countries will
overwhelmingly produce high performing immigrants. They will have they will
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invent more, they will save more. They're high producing, high functioning,
high IQ societies. You know, basically, what our ancestors did
a thousand years ago or several hundred years ago details
kind of how we're going to perform today, you know.
And he also says in the book, you are better
being a dumb person in a smart country than a
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smart person in a dumb country. And when enough people
from high IQ countries high SAT score countries move to
other regions, they tend to improve their overall economies and
many times become economic dominant minorities. Getting back to Lunce,
he repeated a lie about open from an open borders
group because he wanted to believe it was true. He
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wanted the lie perpetuated by neoliberals to be true, so
when it was not, and did not do a shred
of thinking about it and say this seems odd? Is
this true? When were these immigrants coming here? Where did
they come from? And furthermore, people say immigrants do all
these fabulous things. I think it's worth saying where did
they come from? Because the idea that is perpetuated by
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the diversity delusion that every person, whether they come from
Haiti or hal Effects, is equally likely to generate the
same level of economic output isn't true. It's just it's
not a fact, and we are going to get thrown
that out there. And I think that if you are
somebody who's more on the immigration restriction aside like I am,
it's worth having that answer pointed out and ready when
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it goes just sit there and say what country do
that immigrant come from? Where do all these immigrants come from?
If they're all coming from three specific regions of the world,
why aren't almost all of our immigrants coming from three
specific regions of the world. Okay, next point, and I
want to make this quickly. The census data came out,
came out and found that during the last year of
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Trump's presidency and the four years of Biden's presidency, the
Native white population shranked by three million people, including about
two hundred and fifty thousand people last year. Now, a
lot of that can be contributed to COVID deaths. Back
in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, you know, a
lot of people did pass away, a lot of older people.
There was also a spike in the number of people
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reclassifying themselves as being Native American during the Floyd Riots.
You know, it was not it's not politically, economically, or
culturally wonderful to be a white person during that time.
And there's something called fleeing from whiteness where people discover
their one eighth Native American and now they're Cherokee, and
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they can re change all of their documentation to make
sure their kid gets a scholarship from a college, or
gets into a college, or gets a job, or gets
a government grant. All of the major institutions at the time,
although some of them are starting to change because of
the Supreme Court case absolutely put their thumb on the
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scale against specifically white men. But there was also a
general decline because of low birth rates, which has been
below replacement levels for decades. Remember, you need two point
one children on average per woman to sustain a population
from one generation to the next. Now, even though the
white population dec overall shrank, it did grow in seventeen states,
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three that voted for Kamala Harris, New Hampshire, Maine, and Delaware,
and fourteen that voted for Trump Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming,
South Dakota, Texas, Tennessee, Alabama, Florida, Arkansas, Missouri, and the Carolinas,
both north and south. On my substack, I broke down
county by county where you could see the white population
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whether it increased, and how it voted in the twenty
twenty four election. And what you see when you look
at the entire map of all the counties is they
mostly moved to red counties or they had a higher
birth rate in red counties, but they fled, especially from
urban areas where crime was extremely high during the Floyd Riots.
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The only states that saw the white population decline in
every county was Illinois and Rhode Island. But the biggest takeaway,
the several biggest takeaways, the biggest takeaways is one Rural America,
especially in the Rust Belt, Appalachia and the Prairie states,
are dying. They're just there. The economies are collapsed and
the populations are declining with them substantially. People, white Americans
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especially are fleeing from big blue states like Illinois, California,
and New York in droves. But rather than just picking
up and going to red cities or says cities in
red states, and it's happening in a few places like Nashville, Miami,
they are choosing to live in smaller cities and excerpts
of major metropolitan areas. The white population of the city
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of Atlanta grew a little bit, but in the suburbs
it shrunk as well. The egxerbs is where it exploded.
They chose to live in exxerb communities that are more
politically like them, probably more racially like them, have more
values like they do. There is a realignment going on
where people are choosing to move. It will eventually have,
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you know, changes within the congressional lines over time. I
guess maybe, well, maybe not, because immigrants do replace they
are having immigrants replace Americans in those cities for those populations,
but it will it will have a point specifically with voting,
for sure at some point. There have also been pockets
of rural Americas that did see some level population growth
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for white Americans because of a high concentration of highly
religious people. These include Orthodox Jews in Rockland County, Latin
Mass Catholics in Patawami and Newca Counties. Kansas. Seriously, Kansas,
you could make that easier for me. I spoke at
your damn convention, and Amish people in Holmes County, Ohio,
and Lagrange and Adams Counties in Indiana. I say this
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just to say that there's a lot of online conversation
about something called the Great Replacement theory, the idea that
Western governments are purposely replacing their native white populations with immigrants.
Now there is, you know, an insane level of adoration
for mass immigration on the part of Western nations that
you don't see in other parts of the world, like
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in the Far East, where birth rates are declining, in
populations are declining, there's still a demand to keep their
culture intact, which is not the same in Western nations.
In most parts of Western nations, but what's really causing
the mass decline of native white populations is that you
don't have enough children. If anyone choosing to be replaced,
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it's the decision by white Americans to not have kids.
Granted there's a big difference between progressive whites and conservative whites.
Progressive whites have an extremely low birth rate. But to
anyone complaining, which is mostly right wingers, about a great replacement,
my first question to you, because I hate complainers, my
first question to you is how many kids do you have?
Because if the answer is three or less, I don't
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really want to hear you talk about or sorry, if
it's less than three, If it's maybe two, I was
even think two. If it's under two, I don't want
to hear you talk about being replaced. I just don't
want to have a conversation. If you're like my grandma
and you had eleven kids and you want to talk
about it, I'll hear your complaint. But if you have
no kids and you just live online to complain, maybe
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go on a date, maybe talk to a girl, maybe
have a little experiment of having a life outside being
online that might do something. I know. It's a strange
set of topics today. It's kind of a michmash. We're
in summer, it's not an election this week, so I
thought I bring you some interesting numbers that are out there.
You're listening to It's a numbers game with Ryan Gradsky.
We'll be right back now for the Ask Me Anything
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segment of the show. I have to to tell you.
I used to get so few questions that I would
text friends and like family members and my employees and
be like, I don't have any questions, Send me a question.
Now I have so many questions in the backlog, which
I appreciate beyond belief that Monday's episode is going to
be a full ask Me Anything segment because I gotta
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get through some of these questions. I promise my listeners
I will answer all their questions, and we are going
to be waiting until Christmas to get me through September
if I don't start doing a full episode based on it.
So I'm very excited if you have questions that you
would like me to answer and they Ask Me Anything
segment of the show. Email me Ryan at Numbers Gamepodcast
dot com. That's Ryan at numbers Plural Numbers gamepodcast dot com.
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And I will answer your questions either through one on
one email or I will answer them on the show.
Today's question comes from Kyle Carson. He writes, Ryan, I
appreciated your podcast our Jay Homan. I think he raises
some excellent points. However, in light of the OBB that's
the big beautiful bill passing in the Senate inclusion for
greater ICE funding, I am skeptical that we simply can
(26:03):
throw money at the issue to actually fulfill mass deportations.
I support increasing ICE and it will certainly allow for
more deportations. However, I do not think we can achieve
mass deportation unless the White House use its full power
and Red states get involved. It should have supported chip
Roy's amendment to significantly drag on deportations in the courts.
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Left wing interest groups are forcing the White House to
do deportations one by one because illegal aliens are suing
under Article three. Trump should invoke section eight of the
US Code eleven eleven three, Section A ten. This would
allow for street level immigration enforcement by state and local police. Basically,
every local police department with the consent of the chief,
(26:47):
and the city would now be an ICE officer and
can do effective immigration arrests on their own. DISANTUS four
for this provision in Florida and wants to force every
Florida police department to follow it. Question or what are
your thoughts on Trump's plan to do to facto amnesty
to Farm's Best Kyle, Okay, Kyle, thank you so much,
great question. All right, first point, yes, I agree that
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it's not possible for ICE just simply do fifteen to
twenty million deportations of illegal aliens, especially with the way
the courts are right now, it takes months and sometimes years.
There are, however, over a million illegal aliens in our
country today who have already had their full legal proceedings
done and were issued war issued notices that they had
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to leave the country, and then they stayed. Those people
can go immediately if they are upon being arrested. They
don't have to have more court cases. They've had a
million court cases. But how we entice illegal aliens leave
our country is you do self deportation. I mean it's
cheaper and it's faster. The Bureau for Labor Statistics stated
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that a million non citizens. About a million have already
dropped out of the workforce. There's no telling whether or
not they went to their home country, but they're no
longer showing up for work. A migration policy paper found
that and estimated five thousand migrants self deported in the
first three months of the Trump presidency, and immigration judges
have granted voluntary deportation for almost nine hundred illegal immigrants
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in the month of May alone. Now there's a lot
of stories in places like the New York Times and
the Los Angeles Times about people self deporting, but it's
hard to get real numbers about how effective it is
because they're not It's just, you know, stories about this
crying mother and how her life is so hard to
just go back to I don't know, Dominican Republic or whatever,
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or Mexico. But as far as real numbers goes, it's very,
very difficult to actually get hard numbers. Given that no
one is coming through our southern border and that illegal
immigration is at a record low, we are definitely seeing
overall net illegal immigration population in this country declining every month.
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It seems obvious as far as the farm raiders go,
this was originally a plan brought on by Agricultural Secretary
Brook Rollins. I covered it on my podcast with Marco
Corean a couple of weeks ago. The plan was proposed,
but according to the New York Times, it was almost
immediately reversed and rates on farms have continued. So that's
all the information I have on that. I haven't seen
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anywhere that Trump has actually gone back again and changed
his mind. Great questions. I agree though, that we need
to do more to fix this system and get rid
of our illegal alien population and restructure our illegal immigration system.
I think those two ideas that you put out there
are very very smart. So we'll see what happens and
maybe I'll get some hard numbers to report for you. Anyway,
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thank you. Come back again Monday whole episode of Ask
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