July 21, 2025 • 32 mins
In this conversation, Heather Mac Donald discusses the significant changes in medical school admissions and standards following the death of George Floyd. She highlights the shift towards racial proportionality over meritocracy, the implications of lowering medical standards, and the broader consequences for healthcare outcomes. Mac Donald emphasizes the need to address the skills gap in education and explores potential solutions for maintaining meritocracy while achieving diversity in the medical field. It's a Numbers Game is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back to a Numbers game with Ryan Gerdusky. Happy Monday, everyone.
I hope you all enjoyed the last weeks of the
podcast on immigration. Jeffrey Epstein, It's definitely been very interesting
doing podcasting about politics and elections during a non election
season in the middle of the summer. There's only so
many polls about New York City that I could do
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regularly to keep your interest, So I'm trying to expand
the conversation until we dig deep into election season, which
is coming up faster than you'd expect. We're headed towards
the end of July and in the final stretch of
the summer. I think a lot of people are looking
at what their summer goals. Where mine was to catch
up my summer reading. And a lot of times people
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send me books for free from publishers, so I would
talk with them on my substack or my Twitter or
write about them or have my podcast. We're headed to
the end of July in the final stretch to achieve
your summer goals, and I'm trying to catch them my
summer reading. A lot of times publishers will send me
free books to promote on either the podcast or my
sub stack or my social media, and I spent way
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too much time reading this book called Demon Copperhead this year.
It was very very good, but it was could have
been cut by one hundred feet pages at least. It
was very repetitive. Towards the end, I'm like, I don't
need this. And then I received a book called Class Matters.
Now I only read parts of it because I rejected
the premise entirely, but it was a book about how
higher education should wait economic class over race as a
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part of the admissions process. The author elaments how some
schools should take in the top ten percent of all
high school graduating students, regardless of economic status, and that
would level the playing field for people who aren't financially off.
They can't take advantage of early admissions or special classes
or maybe some sports. That is a very dumb idea,
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because there are plenty of school districts in this country
where the top ten percent of graduating class is still failing.
They still don't have meet the curriculum level of the
academic level in the curriculum of math and reading. You
wouldn't take them into Harvard just because they make the
top ten percent merit should be the only way we
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weigh in college and missions. It just makes sense if
you want to keep American colleges the best in the
world and make sure that all the students begin at
equal footing. I mean, some will do better than others
based upon their skills, but you want to at least
start on a decent playing ground and not have the
ability for students who have been brought in for diversity
to fall so far behind and have to quit college.
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It it hurts. It hurts them more than anybody else.
So I put the book down after a few chapters
and I read a story online that has to do
with merit, and I want to talk to you about it.
For those listeners from Southern California, you may have already
been aware of the story. For me, it was the
first time that I heard of it, and I actually
it was one of those stories that was so shocking
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I had to do the research on my own because
I didn't believe it was actually true. It's the story
of the Southern California hospital called the Martin Luther King
Junior Drew Medical Center, and from its inception, the whole
point of it was to be a hospital for the
black community that hired almost all, if not entirely all
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black people to run it. Black members members of the
black community to run it, although they weren't overtly involved
in racial hiring. In nineteen ninety six, the Los Angeles
County Civil Service Commission upheld a report finding that the
King Drew MLKA Junior Drew Medical Center had an unwritten
policy of favoring black candidates for leadership positions to the
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exclusion of non black cabinets. This was highlighted in a
case involving doctors. And I'm going to mispronounce his name.
You know, I can't speak when it's difficult, like this
doctor sub Marian, basal Submarian. That is absolutely not how
you said that name whatsoever. But go with me on it.
A non black emergency room physician who was not reinstated
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despite evidence of discrimination. This suggests that historically there was
a focus on hiring and proning only black staff, though
this led to accusations of racial discrimination, which you know,
only goes so far for some people. Now. This because
it was a basically black only hospital for the black
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community and employed almost only black staff, any criticism of
the hospital was deemed as racist, so they never acted.
People in administration and in elected government never acted on
fixing glarious, obvious problems in the hospital. And I'm going
to talk about some of them, but i want to
warn you some of this information is very disturbing and
very graphic. Within three years of opening, there were major
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issues of incompetence by the staff. Many were showing up
drunk or high, many weren't showing up at all, and
the hospital pharmacy was regularly being rated by the people
who work there. The staff started calling the hospital Killer King.
That came from the staff. From nineteen ninety nine to
two thousand and four, the hospital was among the worst
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in California. Two prominent accrediting groups said it was the
nation's most troubled hospital and received the lowest Postle rating
in two reviews from the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education,
and students were no longer being sent there for training
programs in surgery and radiology. They spent twenty million dollars
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on malpractice lawsuits in just five years, the most of
any hospital in California. It was so bad that people
would come in from minor injuries and end up dying.
Someone bled out in the emergency room for not being
treated for nearly an hour. The police had an unspoken
agreement that they would not send their partners there if
they were shot. Once, a nine year old girl from
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a Guatemalan immigrant family was brought there after she was
hit by a car. She just had a few broken
teeths in some minor scrapes. They ended up putting her
on sedatives meant for a grown man. They put her
on a ventilator almost no oxygen. They ended up pulling
it from her without checking to see if she could
breathe on her own, and she died alone there because
no one looked at her looked after her for more
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than a half an hour. Another time, a woman came
in for a hysterectomy and they infused her blood that
was positive for the AIDS virus. Another woman died in
the waiting room because nurses ignored her after she suffered
a perforated bow. She had been in the hospital six
previous times and the doctors had misdiagnosed her with gallstones.
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It became so bad another patient called nine one one
talking about talking about that woman, and they refused to
take her because she was already in an er She
died there in the middle of the waiting room while
the cameras rolled watching her. A fifty three year woman
named Yolanda Bell died in two thousand and four after
receiving an overdose of blood thinners due to a nurse's
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error in administering the drug. The nurse had turned out
failed to follow proper dosage protocols, and the error was
went unnoticed by the supervisors. In two thousand and four,
five patients died inside the hospital from MRSA due to
poor sterilization practices. Another time, a nurse turned off a
twenty eight year old's alarm for his vitals and reported
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in medical charts that he was fine for hours after
he already died. Because they were so determined to make
sure the staff remained mostly black, many employees falsified records,
lacked medical licenses, and had criminal backgrounds. In two thousand
and four, a nurses aid was found to have a
prior felony conviction and lacked any certification, yet was allowed
to provide direct patient care. The aids were linked to
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cases of patients suffering from injuries due to their improper handling.
Nurses were asking Janner's assistances to mix up IV medication.
Another time, a hospital hired a man with a long
history of academic and medical problems, and even though they
eventually fired him, he used his old medical idea to
gain access to the hospital instead of videotaping equipment on patients. Eventually,
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he was arrested for a hide and police found one
hundred and forty tapes of him taping mail patients being
nude in the hospital. Some patients even reported the employees
were selling bootleg DVDs and peanuts in the hallways. The
lack of proper credentialing was a major factor in the
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hospital's failure to pass federal inspections, and it resulted in
losing two hundred million dollars in federal funding in two
thousand and six. The issue of funding became a major
topic for activists, who constantly insisted that the hospital was
just underfunded. It was just about money. You see the
same cycle in the education field where they say these
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failing schools in Chicago and Baltimore, they're just underfunded. But
in fact, the Killer King Hospital was the most well
funded in Los Angeles County per patient. So where did
the money go? They spent millions paying disabilities for employees.
Between nineteen ninety four and two thousand and four, there
were one hundred and twenty two employees who sued for
falling out of chairs. They paid three point two million
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dollars on those claims. Another time, a cashier hadn't asked
her supervisor we have bridesmaid at her wedding, causing the
two to fight. Well, the cashier said had caused her
so much tress the hospital had to pay her two
hundred and sixteen thousand dollars in disability. Doctors were overcharging
the hospital. One neuroscientists made five hundred thousand dollars per
year and logged in twenty six working hours when he'd
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only spent six in the hospital. Overall, the hospital spent
thirty four million dollars over a five year period on
employee injuries, with many employees habitually not showing up for
weeks or even months each year. When public officials raise
these concerned about the hospital, figures like Jesse Jackson and
Maxine Waters to cry that everyone was just racist. They
were constantly being racist towards the hospital for servicing and
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hiring black people. Finally, the La Times reported what was
going on in the hospital in two thousand and four,
they wont to polsee her prize for doing so, and
the hospital closed in two thousand and seven. But it
gets better. Twenty after the George Floyd riots, the LA
Times apologize for their reporting that close that hospital down.
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This is why merit matters. People should only be hired
for jobs or admitted for schools if they have the
knowledge and skills, not because they're wealthy or they're poor,
or have certain sexual preferences or different anatomies or skin colors.
But sadly, since twenty twelve and the death of George Floyd,
many medical institutions have watered down merit as a condition
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getting their school more diverse. If anything, we're going to
have more hospitals like Killer King in the future. Despite
many companies backing away from DEI practices that were so
obviously bad for businesses, medical institutions have not done the same.
My next guest has written about this phenomena in a
nauseum about how medical institutions in the medical field is
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changing for the worst because of the need to promote
diversity at all costs. You won't want to miss this
interview coming up next. Heather MacDonald is a fellow at
the Manhattan Institute and the author of many great books,
including When Race Trump's a Merit. Heather, Thank you for
being here.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It's a pleasure, Ryan, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Heather. Tell me about how the death of George Floyd
and the following racial wreckoning really changed the way our
medical schools admitted applicants.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Well, the medical profession went through the usual mass psychosis
that every elite profession went through after the George Floyd
race riots, and every medical association declared itself guilty of
and responsible for white racism, and concluded that medical standards,
in medical school admissions, in medical licensing, anything that produced
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any lack of absolute proportional representation among black medical students
among black doctors must be the product of systemic racism.
So what the already existing set of double standards throughout
medical education.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
It was already bad. It got even worse, Ryan, And.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So schools started setting aside MCAT requirements for blacks, started
admitting black college students with grotesquely lower MCAT scores than
their wide and Asian peers. And that pressure to set
aside standards has continued throughout the.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Medical licensing process.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
It occurs throughout medical hiring for faculty within hospitals, deciding
who gets to be deans of medical schools. There is
absolutely no priority placed any longer on color blind merit.
It's all about achieving racial proportionality.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Now, none of that has changed the Harvard case, not so.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Far, not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
These schools are deeply committed to the idea that science
and medicine in particular is a enterprise. And you also
have professional organizations declaring that science is racist.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
And the medical curriculum is being changed.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Over fifty percent of the top fifty medical schools now
require a course in structural racism. Well, of course, learning
time is zero sum. Every hour that medical students spend
on the phony racism of intersectionality is an hour spent
not learning how to save a life that comes through
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the emergency room door after being battered in a near
fatal car crash.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, and there's been many times for decades where the
idea that Black Americans have lower standards of health, lower
life expectancy, higher coren abilities, that is inherently racist. In
my monologue, I talk about the MLK Hospital in California,
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which was had an endemic series of preventable deaths because
they were hiring people without a medical license. In many cases,
what is the I mean we saw in the case
of the MLK hospital it was horrific ramifications. Is that
kind of level of a medical maulpractice for lack of
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a better term, but is that kind of Is that
going to be seen at more hospitals, more medical professions
under this type of DEI standards when it comes to
admitting students come doctors well quite appropriately.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
The more case of all or cases in the field
of racial preferences generally arose out of a medical school
racial quota back in the seventies, and that was Baki
versus Regions of California. A white medical student who had
very good GPA and MCAT scores was not admitted to
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the Universe of California Davis Medical School, and he found
out that the UC Davis Medical School had set asides
for black students with woefully low qualifications, and he appealed
this and said his civil rights constitutional rights were being
violated because he was being penalized for the color of
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his skin, and that led to the awful Supreme Court
decision by Justice Powell that said well, you can have
racial considerations in college admissions and medical school admissions if
it's in the name of student diversity. Famously, one of
the black students that was admitted when Baki was not
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went on as a practicing obstetrician and generated an absolutely
horrific record of medical mal practice. This is of course
a nearly taboo topic after George Floyd and even before
it became a professional suicide to study any reason for
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racial disparities and outcomes other than racism. So it was
once possible to study black and white driving habits in
order to explain why, on dark highways, when everybody's going
seventy miles an hour and the police officer cannot possibly
see the race of a driver, why blacks are nevertheless
stopped at higher rates. It was once possible to study driving,
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and the two studies that got through the racism screen
found that blacks speed at twice the rate of wides,
and it speeds over ninety miles per hour even higher. Still,
it was once possible to study outcomes medical malpractice outcomes
and found that those were correlated with diversity variables. But
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that's now of course completely off limits. So it's going
to be hard to get this data. Schools refuse to
collect it. They refuse to look at the outcomes of
students that they've admitted with a standard deviation below White
and Asian students in MCAT scores that have been licensed
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with the standard deviation below of licensing scores. They refuse
to see how are those students. Are they actually ending
up practicing? Are they what is their medical malpackage. We're
just not going to be allowed that data, but for
certain it will happen unless we're nihilistic enough to think
that all standards of achievement and accomplishment are totally arbitrary.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
There's got to be a reason. Let me give you.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
You know, I've been speaking in general terms, Ryan about
the extent of these test score gaps.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Let me give you an example.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
If you look at white MCAT scores, the average MCAT
score for whites is at the seventy first percentile. That's
a technical term that merely means that the average score
for whites is better than seventy one percent of all
other white test takers.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
The average black m CAT.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Score is at the thirty fifth percentile, meaning that it
is worth five percent of all other of other test scores.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Let me excuse me. For whites, it's better than all
other test scores.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
For blacks, it means that there it's better than only thirty.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Four percent of other m CAT takers.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
And yet, nevertheless, a set of mediocre m cats and
GPAs that would for a white student would be virtually
automatically disqualifying. If you presented this profile of low m cats,
low GPA, a white student would have only an eight
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percent chance of getting admitted to medical schools. So basically,
forget about it, you're too you're too unqualified.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
To get in.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
If a black student presents the identical rock bottom m
cats and GPAs, he faces a fifty six percent chance
of being admitted. A black student with those low m
cats has a seven times higher chance of being admitted
than a white and a nine times higher chance of
being admitted than an Asian. So we are definitely admitting
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students that are not qualified. And what's happening is they're
not passing the licensing exam.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
So what do we do? We throw out the grades.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
The step one, the first step of medical licensing. Blacks
were doing so poorly on it that they were not
qualifying for their favored residencies, And so the AAMC that
administers this test said, no problem, let's get rid of
the standards. We'll just go past fail. So nobody admitting
students to hospital residencies will know where blacks stand on
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the curve. This is going to happen.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
More and more.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
If you are in an emergency room and a black
doctor walks through the door, be very very scared. He
may be the best doctor around, he may be there
because of the color of his skin.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Well, that's what I's going to ask you, is the
licensing I mean, to go through medical school is one
thing which is very rigorous and I couldn't do it,
so I'm not you know, I'm not putting anyone down
who can go through it. But then there is the
licensing exams afterwards, which have enormous fail rates. And so
are they like I saw it in a lot of
times in law school after they go through After applicants
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who've been there because of a DEI standard are going
through law school, they are not able to pass bars
at enormously high rates. That must be the same case
of the MCATs.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yes, it's absolutely the same case, so that it's a
waste of resources. You're taking slots that are precious and
giving it to people who have a very high rate
of failing out. Let's hope they do fail out and
that the system doesn't figure out more ways to keep
them along.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
You know, professors are under pressure.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
There's studies that have shown that black residents get consistently lower,
far lower scores ratings from the faculty advisors than white
and Asian residents, and the only allowable explanation for that
is racism. And we need to retrain the supervisors Stanley
Goldfarb and nephrologists at the University of Pennsylvania Medical School.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
When the studies came out, it showed.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
These disparities and ratings, and the study only allowed three
possible explanations racism in the ratings, racism in the doctors,
or racism systemically throughout society. And Goldfarb, who's you know,
is not putting up with any of this. Bsad Well,
maybe the black residents were just worse at being residents.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
He became even more of a parah.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
People called him human garbage and the University of Pennsylvania
Dean set out numerous emails, you know, apologizing for the
trauma that Goldfarb's tweeted paused and setting up all sorts
of counseling sessions and whatnot, so anybody who speaks the
truth will be canceled. Has happened to an editor at
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the Journal of American Medical Association JAMA who dared to
say that maybe systemic racism was not a problem in medicine.
He was disappeared, He lost his job, and the editor
of editor in chief of JAMMA lost his job, even
though he.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Had nothing to do with the podcast.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
And of course, the editor in chief of JAMA was
replaced by a black female who specializes in systemic racism
and who promised to bring more diverse voices into medical publishing.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
This matters. Quality of medical leadership matters.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
We have got diversity quota hires now running cancer centers
across the country, whether it's Memorial Sloan Kettering, whether it's
University of Chicago, whether it's Cleveland Clinic.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
It matters what their qualifications are.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
It matters who's running medical journals, because this still is
Although the journals are dedicated to publishing vast homes of
virtually indistinguishable black studies rhetoric, they should also be publishing
cutting edge research, and every article that they're publishing on
the phantom problem of systemic racism is one less article
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on actual scientific research that will allow scientists to pool
their intellectual resources to finally solve Alzheimer's disease, to finally
solve cancer. Instead, the medical profession is dedicated to solving
a non problem, which is systemic racism.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
And let me also say this, if.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
You care about black lives, you should care about honesty
and medicine. The medical profession is staking everything on the
proposition that disparities in health outcomes is due to doctor racism,
and so it's putting all of its marvels in training
doctors against their own racism. But if the reason for
disparities in health outcome is actual behavioral disparities, no attention
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is going into that. We know, you cannot talk about
obesity because that would have a disparate impact on blacks.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
You cannot talk about behavioral change.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
The Scientific American had a whole issue devoted to systemic racism,
the science of racism that declared, if you talk to
black people about obesity, you are a racist doctor. If
it turns out that disparities in health outcomes and they
are real Blacks do have shorter lifespans if those disparities
are due to higher rates of smoking, higher rates of
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drug use, less compliance with doctors orders, higher rates guns
of shootings, of involvement in crime, you know, poor dietary habits,
and doctors are now forbidden to talk about that. Guess
whose health is going to suffer further?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Blacks?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, no, And we see those a lot of those
same problems in white communities, poor white communities as well.
I always told people in Texas, if you live in
East Texas or West Texas, the most republican parts of Texas,
you live on average about twenty years shorter than Austin
or the more liberal parts. So it's not a singular
race thing. It's a thing with a lot of things
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to do with poverty and other things. But they've made
an entire race thing. And I'll say one other thing
is that when you water down the standard, someone who
is an excellent black doctor like Ben Carson, their achievements
still matter, but they kind of the assumptions that they're
there because they are so brilliant in their field is
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water down as well. So so many companies have walked
away from DEI policies in the last two years. The
medical industry seems to be opposed to those same changes,
especially the medical journals that I've read. Is there any solution?
And then, lastly, also is there any way to achieve
diversity while upholding meritocracy.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
There was a bill that was introduced by Republicans in
Congress in twenty twenty four that would end federal funding
of medical schools that are committed to DEI That went nowhere,
but it was recently reintroduced in May. Certainly, cutting off
the federal spigot would help, and Trump is also trying
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to change the appalling use of taxpayer dollars through the
National Institutes of Health and National Science Foundation to fund
research in why engineering is a biased profession and against
blacks and how we need so we're wasting vast amounts
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of money. Cutting off the federal spigot would certainly help.
And no, there is no way at present to have
diversity and meritocracy at the same time.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
You have to have one or the other.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Any institution that has declared itself undying flty to diversity
has told you that has discarded meritocracy. The skills gap
is simply too large.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Ryan.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
The solution is to close the skills gap. It begins
early on. Sixty six percent of black twelfth graders do
not possess even partial mastery of the most basic twelfth
grade math skills like doing arithmetic or reading a graph.
That's the number of black twelfth graders who are advanced
in math nationally is too small to show up statistically,
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so it's essentially zero.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Given those skills gaps.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
The idea that absent racism phantom racism, we would have
thirteen percent Black representation in medical student bodies and medical
faculties is absurd.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
The skills are not.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
So that the community has to get its act together
and say we are going to be fanatically involved in
our children's schooling.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
We have to monitor homework.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
We have to make sure that black kids aren't running
running the streets and getting involved in gangs.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
We have to get rid of the racial impact standard
in school discipline.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
So if black students are raising hell and Trump one
of his executive orders did try to restore color blind
is to school discipline and not penalized schools who had
to higher rates of discipline for black students. And we
need to get back to basics and education and give
up the whole equity agenda.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, you know, it's so funny. I don't know if
you've heard you Have you heard of the miracle in Mississippi.
I've written about it a little bit, but it's about
Mississippi stopped allowing third graders to advance to fourth grade
if they could not meet reading curriculum, and Mississippi is
now the number four in the nation for fourth grade reading.
Fiiton did not not increasing the cost of schools and
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for black students. I think it is number two nationwide
for black students overall because they refused to allow kids
to fail forward. But the idea of failing forward in
the early grades leads to all the subsequent consequences in
the later grades when they want to achieve these miracle
levels of diversity across different institutions, and it's happened in
engineering and in law firms and unfortunate medical fields. Heather,
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where can people go to read more from you? Because
you write great things for the Manhattan Institute, But where
can people get your information from?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Oh? Thank you? Ron Well.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
The Best Summer is my latest book, when raised Trump's
Merit that has a kind of thing of the atrocity
of diversity in stem science fields, in medicine, but also
in policing.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
And in the arts.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
And you know, the hope now is that Trump will
get a handle on this, but believe me, they're dug
in and they're going to try and keep a hold
of their hatred for Western civilization and excellence as long
as possible.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Well, thank you for being on this podcast. I appreciate it,
my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Ryan, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Hey, we'll be right back after this and now for
the Ask Me Anything segment. If you wanty part of
the Ask Me Anything segment, email me Ryan at Numbers
Game podcast dot com. That's Ryan at Numbers gamepodcast dot com.
I think this segment is quickly becoming the favorite of
the show and I get a lot of emails now
and I love answering them. This question comes from Leah Schutz.
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She asked about the state of Colorado. She says that
her family moved from Texas to Colorado for work, and
she asks if her new state is becoming more purple.
The short answer is simply no. Colorado is probably going
to become one of the bluest states in the country
over a very short period of time. Its trajectory is
very obvious. Since twenty sixteen, the US overall moved four
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points to the right nationally, with obviously some states like
Florida or New York moving more than four points. Colorado
has moved six points to the left during the same
time period. It did move two point five points to
the right between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four, but
that's why. As the country as a whole moves six
points to the right, so it's moving to the left
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respective of the rest of the country, and part of
this date has moved to the right. The city of
Denver moved to the right pretty substantially. It moved four
points overall between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four, but
other areas, like for Collins, the suburbs of Colorado Springs,
and the areas between Boulder and Denver are moving hard
to the left. In twenty sixteen, November of twenty sixteen,
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Democrats had a seven thousand person voter advantage over Republicans
in the state. They now have over one hundred and
ten thousand. Over the course of those eight years. From
November twenty sixteen to November twenty twenty four, Democrats' advantage
has been pretty substantially growing, and then the independent numbers
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have grown by almost a million between the same time,
and the independence in Colorado lean to the left. So
in the long and short of it, no, it's not
moving to be more purple, it's moving to be more left.
It's one of the states that I would not be
shocked in the next decade has very very few elected
Republicans from it. I mean, I wouldn't be shocked if
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one day there's only one or two Republican congressmen from
the entire state of Colorado. I think right now they
have four. So yeah, Unfortunately, that's just the way the
state's moving. And maybe demographics will shift and Hispanics will
continue to vote more right and other people move more right.
But a lot of people from Texas and California who
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are left wing and want to be around left wing
people have seen Colorado as their new home. So that's
just the way that's Colorado is not going to be
able to be the state that makes the next Republican present.
I think I wouldn't be shocked if New Mexico voted
Republican before Colorado. Anyway, that's the show. Thank you so much.
Be back on Thursday. I will talk about polling and
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will go into election season again. I promise you all.
Thank you see them
Welcome back to a Numbers game with Ryan Gerdusky. Happy Monday, everyone.
I hope you all enjoyed the last weeks of the
podcast on immigration. Jeffrey Epstein, It's definitely been very interesting
doing podcasting about politics and elections during a non election
season in the middle of the summer. There's only so
many polls about New York City that I could do
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regularly to keep your interest, So I'm trying to expand
the conversation until we dig deep into election season, which
is coming up faster than you'd expect. We're headed towards
the end of July and in the final stretch of
the summer. I think a lot of people are looking
at what their summer goals. Where mine was to catch
up my summer reading. And a lot of times people
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send me books for free from publishers, so I would
talk with them on my substack or my Twitter or
write about them or have my podcast. We're headed to
the end of July in the final stretch to achieve
your summer goals, and I'm trying to catch them my
summer reading. A lot of times publishers will send me
free books to promote on either the podcast or my
sub stack or my social media, and I spent way
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too much time reading this book called Demon Copperhead this year.
It was very very good, but it was could have
been cut by one hundred feet pages at least. It
was very repetitive. Towards the end, I'm like, I don't
need this. And then I received a book called Class Matters.
Now I only read parts of it because I rejected
the premise entirely, but it was a book about how
higher education should wait economic class over race as a
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part of the admissions process. The author elaments how some
schools should take in the top ten percent of all
high school graduating students, regardless of economic status, and that
would level the playing field for people who aren't financially off.
They can't take advantage of early admissions or special classes
or maybe some sports. That is a very dumb idea,
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because there are plenty of school districts in this country
where the top ten percent of graduating class is still failing.
They still don't have meet the curriculum level of the
academic level in the curriculum of math and reading. You
wouldn't take them into Harvard just because they make the
top ten percent merit should be the only way we
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weigh in college and missions. It just makes sense if
you want to keep American colleges the best in the
world and make sure that all the students begin at
equal footing. I mean, some will do better than others
based upon their skills, but you want to at least
start on a decent playing ground and not have the
ability for students who have been brought in for diversity
to fall so far behind and have to quit college.
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It it hurts. It hurts them more than anybody else.
So I put the book down after a few chapters
and I read a story online that has to do
with merit, and I want to talk to you about it.
For those listeners from Southern California, you may have already
been aware of the story. For me, it was the
first time that I heard of it, and I actually
it was one of those stories that was so shocking
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I had to do the research on my own because
I didn't believe it was actually true. It's the story
of the Southern California hospital called the Martin Luther King
Junior Drew Medical Center, and from its inception, the whole
point of it was to be a hospital for the
black community that hired almost all, if not entirely all
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black people to run it. Black members members of the
black community to run it, although they weren't overtly involved
in racial hiring. In nineteen ninety six, the Los Angeles
County Civil Service Commission upheld a report finding that the
King Drew MLKA Junior Drew Medical Center had an unwritten
policy of favoring black candidates for leadership positions to the
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exclusion of non black cabinets. This was highlighted in a
case involving doctors. And I'm going to mispronounce his name.
You know, I can't speak when it's difficult, like this
doctor sub Marian, basal Submarian. That is absolutely not how
you said that name whatsoever. But go with me on it.
A non black emergency room physician who was not reinstated
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despite evidence of discrimination. This suggests that historically there was
a focus on hiring and proning only black staff, though
this led to accusations of racial discrimination, which you know,
only goes so far for some people. Now. This because
it was a basically black only hospital for the black
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community and employed almost only black staff, any criticism of
the hospital was deemed as racist, so they never acted.
People in administration and in elected government never acted on
fixing glarious, obvious problems in the hospital. And I'm going
to talk about some of them, but i want to
warn you some of this information is very disturbing and
very graphic. Within three years of opening, there were major
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issues of incompetence by the staff. Many were showing up
drunk or high, many weren't showing up at all, and
the hospital pharmacy was regularly being rated by the people
who work there. The staff started calling the hospital Killer King.
That came from the staff. From nineteen ninety nine to
two thousand and four, the hospital was among the worst
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in California. Two prominent accrediting groups said it was the
nation's most troubled hospital and received the lowest Postle rating
in two reviews from the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education,
and students were no longer being sent there for training
programs in surgery and radiology. They spent twenty million dollars
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on malpractice lawsuits in just five years, the most of
any hospital in California. It was so bad that people
would come in from minor injuries and end up dying.
Someone bled out in the emergency room for not being
treated for nearly an hour. The police had an unspoken
agreement that they would not send their partners there if
they were shot. Once, a nine year old girl from
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a Guatemalan immigrant family was brought there after she was
hit by a car. She just had a few broken
teeths in some minor scrapes. They ended up putting her
on sedatives meant for a grown man. They put her
on a ventilator almost no oxygen. They ended up pulling
it from her without checking to see if she could
breathe on her own, and she died alone there because
no one looked at her looked after her for more
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than a half an hour. Another time, a woman came
in for a hysterectomy and they infused her blood that
was positive for the AIDS virus. Another woman died in
the waiting room because nurses ignored her after she suffered
a perforated bow. She had been in the hospital six
previous times and the doctors had misdiagnosed her with gallstones.
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It became so bad another patient called nine one one
talking about talking about that woman, and they refused to
take her because she was already in an er She
died there in the middle of the waiting room while
the cameras rolled watching her. A fifty three year woman
named Yolanda Bell died in two thousand and four after
receiving an overdose of blood thinners due to a nurse's
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error in administering the drug. The nurse had turned out
failed to follow proper dosage protocols, and the error was
went unnoticed by the supervisors. In two thousand and four,
five patients died inside the hospital from MRSA due to
poor sterilization practices. Another time, a nurse turned off a
twenty eight year old's alarm for his vitals and reported
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in medical charts that he was fine for hours after
he already died. Because they were so determined to make
sure the staff remained mostly black, many employees falsified records,
lacked medical licenses, and had criminal backgrounds. In two thousand
and four, a nurses aid was found to have a
prior felony conviction and lacked any certification, yet was allowed
to provide direct patient care. The aids were linked to
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cases of patients suffering from injuries due to their improper handling.
Nurses were asking Janner's assistances to mix up IV medication.
Another time, a hospital hired a man with a long
history of academic and medical problems, and even though they
eventually fired him, he used his old medical idea to
gain access to the hospital instead of videotaping equipment on patients. Eventually,
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he was arrested for a hide and police found one
hundred and forty tapes of him taping mail patients being
nude in the hospital. Some patients even reported the employees
were selling bootleg DVDs and peanuts in the hallways. The
lack of proper credentialing was a major factor in the
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hospital's failure to pass federal inspections, and it resulted in
losing two hundred million dollars in federal funding in two
thousand and six. The issue of funding became a major
topic for activists, who constantly insisted that the hospital was
just underfunded. It was just about money. You see the
same cycle in the education field where they say these
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failing schools in Chicago and Baltimore, they're just underfunded. But
in fact, the Killer King Hospital was the most well
funded in Los Angeles County per patient. So where did
the money go? They spent millions paying disabilities for employees.
Between nineteen ninety four and two thousand and four, there
were one hundred and twenty two employees who sued for
falling out of chairs. They paid three point two million
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dollars on those claims. Another time, a cashier hadn't asked
her supervisor we have bridesmaid at her wedding, causing the
two to fight. Well, the cashier said had caused her
so much tress the hospital had to pay her two
hundred and sixteen thousand dollars in disability. Doctors were overcharging
the hospital. One neuroscientists made five hundred thousand dollars per
year and logged in twenty six working hours when he'd
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only spent six in the hospital. Overall, the hospital spent
thirty four million dollars over a five year period on
employee injuries, with many employees habitually not showing up for
weeks or even months each year. When public officials raise
these concerned about the hospital, figures like Jesse Jackson and
Maxine Waters to cry that everyone was just racist. They
were constantly being racist towards the hospital for servicing and
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hiring black people. Finally, the La Times reported what was
going on in the hospital in two thousand and four,
they wont to polsee her prize for doing so, and
the hospital closed in two thousand and seven. But it
gets better. Twenty after the George Floyd riots, the LA
Times apologize for their reporting that close that hospital down.
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This is why merit matters. People should only be hired
for jobs or admitted for schools if they have the
knowledge and skills, not because they're wealthy or they're poor,
or have certain sexual preferences or different anatomies or skin colors.
But sadly, since twenty twelve and the death of George Floyd,
many medical institutions have watered down merit as a condition
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getting their school more diverse. If anything, we're going to
have more hospitals like Killer King in the future. Despite
many companies backing away from DEI practices that were so
obviously bad for businesses, medical institutions have not done the same.
My next guest has written about this phenomena in a
nauseum about how medical institutions in the medical field is
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changing for the worst because of the need to promote
diversity at all costs. You won't want to miss this
interview coming up next. Heather MacDonald is a fellow at
the Manhattan Institute and the author of many great books,
including When Race Trump's a Merit. Heather, Thank you for
being here.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It's a pleasure, Ryan, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Heather. Tell me about how the death of George Floyd
and the following racial wreckoning really changed the way our
medical schools admitted applicants.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Well, the medical profession went through the usual mass psychosis
that every elite profession went through after the George Floyd
race riots, and every medical association declared itself guilty of
and responsible for white racism, and concluded that medical standards,
in medical school admissions, in medical licensing, anything that produced
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any lack of absolute proportional representation among black medical students
among black doctors must be the product of systemic racism.
So what the already existing set of double standards throughout
medical education.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
It was already bad. It got even worse, Ryan, And.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So schools started setting aside MCAT requirements for blacks, started
admitting black college students with grotesquely lower MCAT scores than
their wide and Asian peers. And that pressure to set
aside standards has continued throughout the.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Medical licensing process.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
It occurs throughout medical hiring for faculty within hospitals, deciding
who gets to be deans of medical schools. There is
absolutely no priority placed any longer on color blind merit.
It's all about achieving racial proportionality.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Now, none of that has changed the Harvard case, not so.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Far, not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
These schools are deeply committed to the idea that science
and medicine in particular is a enterprise. And you also
have professional organizations declaring that science is racist.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
And the medical curriculum is being changed.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Over fifty percent of the top fifty medical schools now
require a course in structural racism. Well, of course, learning
time is zero sum. Every hour that medical students spend
on the phony racism of intersectionality is an hour spent
not learning how to save a life that comes through
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the emergency room door after being battered in a near
fatal car crash.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, and there's been many times for decades where the
idea that Black Americans have lower standards of health, lower
life expectancy, higher coren abilities, that is inherently racist. In
my monologue, I talk about the MLK Hospital in California,
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which was had an endemic series of preventable deaths because
they were hiring people without a medical license. In many cases,
what is the I mean we saw in the case
of the MLK hospital it was horrific ramifications. Is that
kind of level of a medical maulpractice for lack of
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a better term, but is that kind of Is that
going to be seen at more hospitals, more medical professions
under this type of DEI standards when it comes to
admitting students come doctors well quite appropriately.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
The more case of all or cases in the field
of racial preferences generally arose out of a medical school
racial quota back in the seventies, and that was Baki
versus Regions of California. A white medical student who had
very good GPA and MCAT scores was not admitted to
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the Universe of California Davis Medical School, and he found
out that the UC Davis Medical School had set asides
for black students with woefully low qualifications, and he appealed
this and said his civil rights constitutional rights were being
violated because he was being penalized for the color of
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his skin, and that led to the awful Supreme Court
decision by Justice Powell that said well, you can have
racial considerations in college admissions and medical school admissions if
it's in the name of student diversity. Famously, one of
the black students that was admitted when Baki was not
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went on as a practicing obstetrician and generated an absolutely
horrific record of medical mal practice. This is of course
a nearly taboo topic after George Floyd and even before
it became a professional suicide to study any reason for
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racial disparities and outcomes other than racism. So it was
once possible to study black and white driving habits in
order to explain why, on dark highways, when everybody's going
seventy miles an hour and the police officer cannot possibly
see the race of a driver, why blacks are nevertheless
stopped at higher rates. It was once possible to study driving,
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and the two studies that got through the racism screen
found that blacks speed at twice the rate of wides,
and it speeds over ninety miles per hour even higher. Still,
it was once possible to study outcomes medical malpractice outcomes
and found that those were correlated with diversity variables. But
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that's now of course completely off limits. So it's going
to be hard to get this data. Schools refuse to
collect it. They refuse to look at the outcomes of
students that they've admitted with a standard deviation below White
and Asian students in MCAT scores that have been licensed
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with the standard deviation below of licensing scores. They refuse
to see how are those students. Are they actually ending
up practicing? Are they what is their medical malpackage. We're
just not going to be allowed that data, but for
certain it will happen unless we're nihilistic enough to think
that all standards of achievement and accomplishment are totally arbitrary.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
There's got to be a reason. Let me give you.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
You know, I've been speaking in general terms, Ryan about
the extent of these test score gaps.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Let me give you an example.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
If you look at white MCAT scores, the average MCAT
score for whites is at the seventy first percentile. That's
a technical term that merely means that the average score
for whites is better than seventy one percent of all
other white test takers.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
The average black m CAT.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Score is at the thirty fifth percentile, meaning that it
is worth five percent of all other of other test scores.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Let me excuse me. For whites, it's better than all
other test scores.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
For blacks, it means that there it's better than only thirty.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Four percent of other m CAT takers.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
And yet, nevertheless, a set of mediocre m cats and
GPAs that would for a white student would be virtually
automatically disqualifying. If you presented this profile of low m cats,
low GPA, a white student would have only an eight
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percent chance of getting admitted to medical schools. So basically,
forget about it, you're too you're too unqualified.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
To get in.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
If a black student presents the identical rock bottom m
cats and GPAs, he faces a fifty six percent chance
of being admitted. A black student with those low m
cats has a seven times higher chance of being admitted
than a white and a nine times higher chance of
being admitted than an Asian. So we are definitely admitting
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students that are not qualified. And what's happening is they're
not passing the licensing exam.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
So what do we do? We throw out the grades.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
The step one, the first step of medical licensing. Blacks
were doing so poorly on it that they were not
qualifying for their favored residencies, And so the AAMC that
administers this test said, no problem, let's get rid of
the standards. We'll just go past fail. So nobody admitting
students to hospital residencies will know where blacks stand on
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the curve. This is going to happen.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
More and more.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
If you are in an emergency room and a black
doctor walks through the door, be very very scared. He
may be the best doctor around, he may be there
because of the color of his skin.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Well, that's what I's going to ask you, is the
licensing I mean, to go through medical school is one
thing which is very rigorous and I couldn't do it,
so I'm not you know, I'm not putting anyone down
who can go through it. But then there is the
licensing exams afterwards, which have enormous fail rates. And so
are they like I saw it in a lot of
times in law school after they go through After applicants
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who've been there because of a DEI standard are going
through law school, they are not able to pass bars
at enormously high rates. That must be the same case
of the MCATs.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yes, it's absolutely the same case, so that it's a
waste of resources. You're taking slots that are precious and
giving it to people who have a very high rate
of failing out. Let's hope they do fail out and
that the system doesn't figure out more ways to keep
them along.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
You know, professors are under pressure.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
There's studies that have shown that black residents get consistently lower,
far lower scores ratings from the faculty advisors than white
and Asian residents, and the only allowable explanation for that
is racism. And we need to retrain the supervisors Stanley
Goldfarb and nephrologists at the University of Pennsylvania Medical School.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
When the studies came out, it showed.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
These disparities and ratings, and the study only allowed three
possible explanations racism in the ratings, racism in the doctors,
or racism systemically throughout society. And Goldfarb, who's you know,
is not putting up with any of this. Bsad Well,
maybe the black residents were just worse at being residents.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
He became even more of a parah.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
People called him human garbage and the University of Pennsylvania
Dean set out numerous emails, you know, apologizing for the
trauma that Goldfarb's tweeted paused and setting up all sorts
of counseling sessions and whatnot, so anybody who speaks the
truth will be canceled. Has happened to an editor at
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the Journal of American Medical Association JAMA who dared to
say that maybe systemic racism was not a problem in medicine.
He was disappeared, He lost his job, and the editor
of editor in chief of JAMMA lost his job, even
though he.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Had nothing to do with the podcast.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
And of course, the editor in chief of JAMA was
replaced by a black female who specializes in systemic racism
and who promised to bring more diverse voices into medical publishing.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
This matters. Quality of medical leadership matters.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
We have got diversity quota hires now running cancer centers
across the country, whether it's Memorial Sloan Kettering, whether it's
University of Chicago, whether it's Cleveland Clinic.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
It matters what their qualifications are.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
It matters who's running medical journals, because this still is
Although the journals are dedicated to publishing vast homes of
virtually indistinguishable black studies rhetoric, they should also be publishing
cutting edge research, and every article that they're publishing on
the phantom problem of systemic racism is one less article
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on actual scientific research that will allow scientists to pool
their intellectual resources to finally solve Alzheimer's disease, to finally
solve cancer. Instead, the medical profession is dedicated to solving
a non problem, which is systemic racism.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
And let me also say this, if.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
You care about black lives, you should care about honesty
and medicine. The medical profession is staking everything on the
proposition that disparities in health outcomes is due to doctor racism,
and so it's putting all of its marvels in training
doctors against their own racism. But if the reason for
disparities in health outcome is actual behavioral disparities, no attention
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is going into that. We know, you cannot talk about
obesity because that would have a disparate impact on blacks.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
You cannot talk about behavioral change.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
The Scientific American had a whole issue devoted to systemic racism,
the science of racism that declared, if you talk to
black people about obesity, you are a racist doctor. If
it turns out that disparities in health outcomes and they
are real Blacks do have shorter lifespans if those disparities
are due to higher rates of smoking, higher rates of
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drug use, less compliance with doctors orders, higher rates guns
of shootings, of involvement in crime, you know, poor dietary habits,
and doctors are now forbidden to talk about that. Guess
whose health is going to suffer further?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Blacks?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, no, And we see those a lot of those
same problems in white communities, poor white communities as well.
I always told people in Texas, if you live in
East Texas or West Texas, the most republican parts of Texas,
you live on average about twenty years shorter than Austin
or the more liberal parts. So it's not a singular
race thing. It's a thing with a lot of things
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to do with poverty and other things. But they've made
an entire race thing. And I'll say one other thing
is that when you water down the standard, someone who
is an excellent black doctor like Ben Carson, their achievements
still matter, but they kind of the assumptions that they're
there because they are so brilliant in their field is
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water down as well. So so many companies have walked
away from DEI policies in the last two years. The
medical industry seems to be opposed to those same changes,
especially the medical journals that I've read. Is there any solution?
And then, lastly, also is there any way to achieve
diversity while upholding meritocracy.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
There was a bill that was introduced by Republicans in
Congress in twenty twenty four that would end federal funding
of medical schools that are committed to DEI That went nowhere,
but it was recently reintroduced in May. Certainly, cutting off
the federal spigot would help, and Trump is also trying
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to change the appalling use of taxpayer dollars through the
National Institutes of Health and National Science Foundation to fund
research in why engineering is a biased profession and against
blacks and how we need so we're wasting vast amounts
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of money. Cutting off the federal spigot would certainly help.
And no, there is no way at present to have
diversity and meritocracy at the same time.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
You have to have one or the other.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Any institution that has declared itself undying flty to diversity
has told you that has discarded meritocracy. The skills gap
is simply too large.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Ryan.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
The solution is to close the skills gap. It begins
early on. Sixty six percent of black twelfth graders do
not possess even partial mastery of the most basic twelfth
grade math skills like doing arithmetic or reading a graph.
That's the number of black twelfth graders who are advanced
in math nationally is too small to show up statistically,
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so it's essentially zero.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Given those skills gaps.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
The idea that absent racism phantom racism, we would have
thirteen percent Black representation in medical student bodies and medical
faculties is absurd.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
The skills are not.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
So that the community has to get its act together
and say we are going to be fanatically involved in
our children's schooling.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
We have to monitor homework.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
We have to make sure that black kids aren't running
running the streets and getting involved in gangs.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
We have to get rid of the racial impact standard
in school discipline.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
So if black students are raising hell and Trump one
of his executive orders did try to restore color blind
is to school discipline and not penalized schools who had
to higher rates of discipline for black students. And we
need to get back to basics and education and give
up the whole equity agenda.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, you know, it's so funny. I don't know if
you've heard you Have you heard of the miracle in Mississippi.
I've written about it a little bit, but it's about
Mississippi stopped allowing third graders to advance to fourth grade
if they could not meet reading curriculum, and Mississippi is
now the number four in the nation for fourth grade reading.
Fiiton did not not increasing the cost of schools and
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for black students. I think it is number two nationwide
for black students overall because they refused to allow kids
to fail forward. But the idea of failing forward in
the early grades leads to all the subsequent consequences in
the later grades when they want to achieve these miracle
levels of diversity across different institutions, and it's happened in
engineering and in law firms and unfortunate medical fields. Heather,
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where can people go to read more from you? Because
you write great things for the Manhattan Institute, But where
can people get your information from?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Oh? Thank you? Ron Well.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
The Best Summer is my latest book, when raised Trump's
Merit that has a kind of thing of the atrocity
of diversity in stem science fields, in medicine, but also
in policing.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
And in the arts.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
And you know, the hope now is that Trump will
get a handle on this, but believe me, they're dug
in and they're going to try and keep a hold
of their hatred for Western civilization and excellence as long
as possible.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Well, thank you for being on this podcast. I appreciate it,
my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Ryan, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Hey, we'll be right back after this and now for
the Ask Me Anything segment. If you wanty part of
the Ask Me Anything segment, email me Ryan at Numbers
Game podcast dot com. That's Ryan at Numbers gamepodcast dot com.
I think this segment is quickly becoming the favorite of
the show and I get a lot of emails now
and I love answering them. This question comes from Leah Schutz.
(30:13):
She asked about the state of Colorado. She says that
her family moved from Texas to Colorado for work, and
she asks if her new state is becoming more purple.
The short answer is simply no. Colorado is probably going
to become one of the bluest states in the country
over a very short period of time. Its trajectory is
very obvious. Since twenty sixteen, the US overall moved four
(30:35):
points to the right nationally, with obviously some states like
Florida or New York moving more than four points. Colorado
has moved six points to the left during the same
time period. It did move two point five points to
the right between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four, but
that's why. As the country as a whole moves six
points to the right, so it's moving to the left
(30:56):
respective of the rest of the country, and part of
this date has moved to the right. The city of
Denver moved to the right pretty substantially. It moved four
points overall between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four, but
other areas, like for Collins, the suburbs of Colorado Springs,
and the areas between Boulder and Denver are moving hard
to the left. In twenty sixteen, November of twenty sixteen,
(31:19):
Democrats had a seven thousand person voter advantage over Republicans
in the state. They now have over one hundred and
ten thousand. Over the course of those eight years. From
November twenty sixteen to November twenty twenty four, Democrats' advantage
has been pretty substantially growing, and then the independent numbers
(31:39):
have grown by almost a million between the same time,
and the independence in Colorado lean to the left. So
in the long and short of it, no, it's not
moving to be more purple, it's moving to be more left.
It's one of the states that I would not be
shocked in the next decade has very very few elected
Republicans from it. I mean, I wouldn't be shocked if
(32:01):
one day there's only one or two Republican congressmen from
the entire state of Colorado. I think right now they
have four. So yeah, Unfortunately, that's just the way the
state's moving. And maybe demographics will shift and Hispanics will
continue to vote more right and other people move more right.
But a lot of people from Texas and California who
(32:23):
are left wing and want to be around left wing
people have seen Colorado as their new home. So that's
just the way that's Colorado is not going to be
able to be the state that makes the next Republican present.
I think I wouldn't be shocked if New Mexico voted
Republican before Colorado. Anyway, that's the show. Thank you so much.
Be back on Thursday. I will talk about polling and
(32:45):
will go into election season again. I promise you all.
Thank you see them
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