May 27, 2023 • 33 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of The Buck Sexton Show,
and with me first time on the program, Jackson Hinkel.
He is an independent political analyst. He is He is
described as here on Twitter the most censored man on YouTube.
So I'm gonna have to ask you a bit about that.
We're gonna talk Ukraine, twenty twenty four, California, California versus Florida,
(00:44):
all kinds of good things. Jackson. Welcome, good to have
you on.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Let's let's start if if I'm a Ukraine, I want
to get to you, Crane. Did did you you were
on Tucker's show, Tucker Show, I bring it up, brings it,
brings a tear to my eye. But anyway, you were
on Tucker Show? Did you? Were you talking Ukraine that time?
Or was it a different topic? I can't remember now. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Tucker did a model about Joe Biden's infamous red background
speech where he looked like Satan himself in the pits
of Hell, and then he did a monologue comparing, you know,
Joe Biden's policies, his authoritarian policies, to Zelenski's authoritarian policies
in Ukraine. And it was really cool. And I went
on to talk about and compare those two things.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Okay, yes, well that makes so it was I knew
there was a Ukraine tie in, but it was a
few months back. So here's my thing. Let me put
this premise out to you. Tell me what you think
about this. So I remember being in a rock and
being in Afghanistan with the CIA years ago, and certainly
in the context of Afghanistan, knowing I was there twenty ten,
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knowing that there's no chance this is going to work
like this plan that you know, we're sending more and
more people and this is never act. This thing of
we're going to have a self sustaining and democratic Afghanistan,
that that was just never gonna, never actually going to happen.
But nobody was willing to say that. First of all,
step one that and then okay, so what are we
(02:14):
doing here in Ukraine? I keep saying to everybody, all right,
so Republicans don't like that we're spending so much money,
I should say not Republicans some Republicans don't like that
we're spending so much money and that we're as involved
as we are, that we're sending F sixteen's, that we're
sending Abrams tanks, that Russia has thousands of nukes. But
I never hear anybody say what should we do? Like
(02:37):
what is the action item? Like in a Jackson Hinkle
foreign policy presidency, what is Ukraine policy?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
You bring up a good point, really good point, just
in the same way when it comes to Afghanistan, or
Iraq or Syria for that matter, Everyone in the State
Department to everyone in well most people within the Pentagon
are talking about how we're not going to stop with
this Ukraine business until Ukraine is victorious. But they'll never
(03:08):
ever identify what victory means for Ukraine. Some people have
come out and said, like I saw DeSantis came out
and say that if he could snap his fingers, he'd
give all of the Dombas and all of Crimea back
to Ukraine immediately. The fact of the matter is, as
you put it so bluntly, with the situation in Afghanistan,
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it's just not possible. You know, whatever we try to
do there, it's not gonna work. Russia has already taken
most of the Dombas, and they, i mean Primea voted
by a margin of ninety seven percent in twenty fourteen
to join the Russian Federation. So whatever those in the
Deep State want, you know, their deepest wants and wishes
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will never be granted. The only thing that they might
get close to is, you know, world War three and
nuclear warfare, which is obviously something that most rational saying
human beings don't want. But as for you said, what
would be my stated goal, if I would is the
one with the reins regarding Ukraine right now, I mean, ideally,
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none of this would have happened in the first place.
Ideally you could have prevented this by the Obama administration
not launching a coup on the sovereign, democratically elected government
of Ukraine in twenty fourteen, or you know, encouraging this
Zelensky government anytime between twenty nineteen to twenty twenty two
to actually adhere to the various peace accords that Putin
(04:38):
had proposed for the Dombas. As for now, it's a
little bit too little, too late. I mean, Rushia's already
sacrificed so much to try and achieve their goal, which
I think is eventually going to be to not only
demilitarize Ukraine and get rid of the Zelensky administration in
its entirety, but probably to try and landlocked Ukraine and
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conquer everything from Nikolaiev to Odessa all the way up
to Transnitria. So it's going to be a long time
before they can do that. I mean militarily, they're moving
slow but steadily. So the question of whether or not
a piece, you know, plan could be struck right now
is it's up in the air because they've already sacrificed
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so much, so why would they stop now.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So I always want to ask those So even like,
let's say, if we took the the Trump America first
line on this one, right, if we were to have
President Trump, I would want to know, do we pull
the funding entirely at a certain date? So do we say, look,
you guys have a year to figure this out. You
have six months to figure this out, three months, whatever
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it may be, and after that we start cycling down
the funding. And if not, then I always say to people,
So just you know, Jackson, when the war broke out
in what was it now, February of twenty twenty two,
on my radio show, I was saying, first of all,
all this stuff about how the Ukrainians were going to
just roll back. I remember that there was the stand
(06:07):
in Kiev, and then it was, oh, the Russians are
going to I said, everyone's underestimating the Russian war machine,
Russia's commitment to land warfare, grinding it down over time,
taking massive casualties if they have to on like this.
Just this notion of like the brave Ukrainian resistance is
going to now roll the Russians, it's just not going
to happen, and that this is going to eventually cost
unless we get a peace settlement, trillions of US dollars, right,
(06:30):
I mean, I know that sounds kind of crazy, or
maybe it's not a crazy people then, But now we're
at about, I don't know, on the books, one hundred
what one hundred and thirty billion, one hundred and fifty
billion something like that. War has absolutely no end in
sight whatsoever. So are we in for trillions? And if
we shouldn't be in for trillions, then shouldn't we set
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a limit to how much money we're going to spend
on a war that most Americans say why exactly is
this my problem?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
And it was Joseph Brell, who's one of the top
policy officials for the European Commission. He came out about
a week and a half ago and said, well, I
know how to end the war in Ukraine. The quickest,
most simple way to in the war in Ukraine is
if the West stops supplying Ukraine with money, in aid
and weapons, because if they did that, it would be over,
as he put it, within days. So that's a Western
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pro Ukraine voice who's leading up the policy on this
saying that very thing. As for you know how much
money we could be in the hole on this venture,
which is a suicide mission by the way, Yeah, it
could be trillions at the end of the day. And
I don't think we'll ever really know how much money
is being siphoned off for this, or how much money
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has been pumped into Ukraine since I mean since at
least twenty fourteen. You look back at US medaling in Ukraine,
especially within the nationalist elements of Ukraine, you can go
all the way back to World War Two, the Cold War.
Of course, things he did up dramatically two thousand and four,
and then again in twenty fourteen. But you know, the
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real point that I think should be drawn here is
exactly what you said. Russia is a war machine. You know,
we can look back in history. It's not really a
good idea to fight to Russia, especially you know, on
their Ukrainian border, and even more especially at a time
like winter, you know, and that's when Ukraine was preparing
this large counteroffensive that still has not materialized. I mean,
(08:31):
you can look back to Napoleon, you can look back
to Hitler. It is just not a good idea to
go to Russia in this region at the time.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
They did it.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And Russia is dead serious about the ambitions and the
goals that they put forward here, which are demilitarization of
Ukraine and denotification, as Putin stated back on February twenty
fourth of twenty twenty two. And how do we know
that their series, How do we know that they're committed
to this. We know that because they see the NATO
threat in Ukraine and now in some Nordic states as well,
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but most specifically in Ukraine, as an existential fight. And
when there are existential threats to Russia, not only the
Russian government, and not only the Russian military, but the
Russian people stop at nothing to achieve victory. We saw
that in World War Two. They were twenty seven million people,
dead serious about achieving victory and they did do it.
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And this is no different. I mean, they see it
as a very similar threat. There are many historical comparisons
that can be made. You know, they always say history
doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes. And there's surely a
lot of rhyming between what we're seeing right now with
this NATO threat against Russia and Ukraine and the threats
that the Third Reich pose against the Soviet Union back
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in World War Two.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
So now I want to switch gears with you, Jackson
in a second and ask you about how you're the
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a lot of friends who are censored for a whole rate.
I've been censored on Twitter, on YouTube, on Facebook, you know,
strikes for this, suspension for that. What do you get
in trouble for? Why are you so censored?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Well, just what we were talking about a moment ago,
the Ukraine War. When you upset the Deep States plans
and when you expose the lies that they're putting forward
about one of the largest wars that we could possibly
see since World War Two. Definitely, we've already seen the
largest battle since World War Two in Ukraine. They get
upset and they lash out, and when it comes to
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YouTube in particular, they act the alphabet company Google, they
act at the behest of these warmongering powers, the intelligence community,
so on and so forth. And it was just about
a year ago when my YouTube was it was I
got two suspensions, like totally about a month, and then
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YouTube permanently demonetized my YouTube channel.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So for once a year ago, the reason.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
They claimed it was promoting pro Russian narratives on the
war in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well, this is amazing. I'm sorry. I didn't know there's
a thing YouTube scene.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
For me.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
It was always COVID stuff like masks don't work, which
now Ryn goes, oh yeah, yeah. When I was saying,
and a lot of people were old, Master's going to
save you, it was ridiculous. You got demonetized from YouTube
for being too pro Russian.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah, allegedly too pro Russian. I guess just telling the
truth now is considered pro Russian. But they The interesting
part of that was they had updated their YouTube policy
and then they came after me. But it was it
was about a month after they updated their YouTube policy
on Russian Ukraine that they did this. And I was
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sitting there and thinking to myself, why did it take
them a month actually come after me, Why didn't they
do it immediately?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
And Glynn Greenwald and Matt Tayibi uncovered the answer. The
answer was that Ukrainian government established this thing called the
Ministry of Digital Transformation and it's essentially their pr you know,
front for the Ukrainian government. And they were actually coming
after my YouTube channel in particular and having thousands and
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thousands of bots and discord groups and telegram channels go
and report my account. And I was just shocked when
they uncovered that, because I was like, I guess, you know,
twenty three year.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Old YouTuber that didn't go to college.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
You know, anyone, you know, whoever has a voice that
challenges the establishment correctly and with aggression, will be censored
in the hands of this Biden administration that answers to
the whims of governments like Ukraine for example. So it's
it's extremely concerning, and I think maybe even more concerning
than the COVID stuff, the COVID censorship, because although it
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was complete bogus that was done, all the COVID censorship
was done under the guise of like, well, we have
to protect the public safety, we have to protect grandma
and grandpa's health.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Now with this, they're just simply stating that if you
have a foreign policy view that counters the official narrative,
you know, even though there's no public safety threat here,
we're going to censor you as well. It's very frightening.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
And did you have any at this, kint I was thinking,
as I'm asking, maybe this is a ridiculous question. You
have no appeal, right, I mean, they demonetize you. It's
like sucks for you, right, that's it. You're too pro Russia.
What do you say to people? I'm sure you get
attacked for being pro Russia too. I don't mean, but
you know, I'm throwing another question at you the same time,
what do you say to people who say that you
know your Putin's puppet because you know your point of view.
(14:50):
You don't have four Ukraine flags in your bio. That
is true.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, there's no like you said, no appeals whatsoever. It's
complete bogus and whatever it is. Vinmo, I got banned PayPal,
I got banned banned from Twitter multiple times.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
But I'm back now and are you on all that stuff?
Twitch same thing.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
But as for you know, the Putent puppet claim, I
think that, as with everything now, you're a racist, you're
a Nazi, you're a sexist, you're a Putin puppet. You know,
regardless of the veracity of the claim, it doesn't really matter.
People are going to throw that at you. And I
mean me being pro Russia at this point you have
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to look at the material situation and you kind of
do recognize that in some ways what Russia's doing is
good for humanity.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Though that's definitely not the right thing to say. I
think that is so true.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
To take me into that one a little bit, that
one might get a lot of people going, wait, wait,
what Russia's doing is good for humanity. Take me through
that a little bit that that sounds a little strange.
Go for it.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Briefly.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I mean, you had the Ukrainian government that was refusing
to accept the peace proposals that Putin had put forward
regarding the you know, it was basically like a civil
war in the Dombas. From twenty fourteen to twenty twenty two,
they slaughtered about fifteen thousand individuals at the behest of
the Ukrainian nationalists in this fighting civilians in the Dambas.
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These were Ukrainian citizens and Russia, many people within Russia
like the KPRF Zuganov. They were requesting that Putin step
into the Dombas and do something years and years ago
to stop the massacre against the citizens of Ukraine and
the Dombas, and Putin refused. He kept trying to negotiate
peace steals.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Over and over and over again.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
And now we're learning that those peace steals that Putin
was upholding his end of the bargain on were actually uh,
you know, no one in the West was taking these
things seriously. Aungla Merkel has come out over the past
three months and said that the whole idea of these
Minsk Accords, as they called them, was to give Ukraine
more time for the preparation of war against Russia. So
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I think that it should have happened sooner. To be honest,
it's unfortunate that there was a coup in Ukraine, unfortunate
that no one adhered to these peace deals. But what's
even more unfortunate is that you had all these people
dying in the Dombass. I mean, you've had more civilians
die over the span of those eight years of civil
war than you've had civilians die over the past year
of extremely intense fighting. And that seems like a shocking statistic,
(17:27):
but it's just the truth.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
And that I mean, I'd want to check on that.
That's you're saying more people died in the fighting in
the Dawn Bass than have died in the civilians, non military,
non non soldiers have died.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Just civilians.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, so how many civilians.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
The nations, the United Nations believe it or not.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I mean, I don't know how much I trust the
United Nations, but they say ten thousand civilians have roughly
died over the past year of fighting in the dombass
and all throughout Ukraine, and all independent observers recognize that
it is between thirteen and fifteen thousand civilians that died
over the past like eight to nine years of fighting
post twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I mean that to me strikes me as entirely impossible numbers.
Let me just see what comes up. I'm curious how
many civilians died in Ukraine. I'm just wondering what comes up. Wow,
let me see it's saying it is that is fascinating.
Here we go the first No, I'm just gonna say this.
(18:27):
I google this because I, like a lot of people
at home, I want to be very very clear. I
would have thought the numbers were much higher, like and
I just to the point where I'm like, hold on
a second, Jackson, let me check this out to be
totally fair and transparent with everybody. It's radio free Europe.
First first thing that comes up, Radio free Europe, which
I don't think that's like a putin you know, putin
puppet thing or whatever. This is about eighteen thousand, So
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I thought it'd be way more than that. And that's ready.
So and six thousand, five hundred killed and eleven thousand,
six hundred and eighty four injured. Is that that just
feels How is it possible with that number? Let me
let me check this through with the date that's eight
that's twenty two, twenty three, April of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
They said, like sixty five hundred killed.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah, yeah, civilian, I mean, yeah, I'm just can I
just be clear you you I I thought the numbers
would have been based on what we see and you
know that ear I would have thought the number would
have been much higher than that.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah, both sides have done a I mean Russia and Ukraine,
they've both done a pretty good job of evacuating citizens, uh,
civilians rather, but it does seem shocking, doesn't it, right
that would be the case.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I mean, you see bach Mout, you see the you
see like the destruction of the city and the way
that this is being you know, I really do think
that they met and and you know one of my
problems with this is, look, CIA a rock Afghanistan. Say
what a lot of things can be said about our
presence of what we were doing, uh, you know, the
US military and otherwise. But I had a pretty good
(20:02):
sense of what was real, what was going on there.
I mean, I could read news reports and be like,
that's not right, right, you know. With this Ukraine stuff,
I'm like, there's just so much proper baganda. I've never
been boots on the ground, so to speak. I've never
seen I've never been to Ukraine, and I know that
we're being propagandized to the point where it feels really
hard to get honest, broker information about what's going on
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there that's not totally and I mean, I I be
honest with you, I thought I didn't want to let
you say that number without me, just because of my head.
I'm thinking, like that can't be right, Like it's got
to be more of that. No, that that apparently is
the number, so very interesting. But it just goes to
I think how fierce the propaganda is about this, because
they're making it seem like this is a World War
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two struggle against the Nazis kind of fight, right, And
I think people are thinking millions of civilian casualties are
you know possible here? Well, anything is possible, but so far,
you know, call it less than ten thousand civilians dead
in Ukraine? Is this what this Radio Free Europe is saying?
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So am I missing something?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
No?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I think that actually they're a pro Western outlet, and
I think that's I think of anything that might be
a bit low, But that's what they say.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I'm not bagging and tagging the bodies. But that is
one thing that is noteworthy about this war compared to
how we fought in say Vietnam, how the United States
fought and counted you know, dead Vietnamese fighters there was
by simply calculating, you know, if we fire x many
munitions towards the Vietnamese side, how many can how many
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can we estimate we killed by virtue of how many
things we fired or shot off?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Here in Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Russia is actually you know, taking over new territory, more
and more territory, and they are bagging and tagging each body.
So the counts are actually much more accurate than most
other wars we've seen in recent history.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
So yeah, a lot of soldiers are fine, I'll say
the soldier. I just pulled up the most recent data
on this soldier casualties are really high, which is why
I think so the soldier casualties you're looking at, Russia
has suffered. This is part of the New York Post,
I mean Washington Post, which is pulling based on some
of the leaks. Actually that if you remember that guy
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who leaked some of the information they had access to
a few months back a couple months ago. Two hundred
thousand Russian casualties and forty thousand killed is what they're saying.
And then Ukraine has about one hundred and twenty five
thousand casualties with about seventeen thousand killed. So a lot
of soldiers are dying in these fights, but I thought
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the civilian number of casualties was going to be much
That's another number that I appreciate you bringing up here
because I would have assumed that it would have been
much much higher than that. So that just goes to,
you know, the way that these things are being talked about.
Let me that that was really interesting, Jackson. Thank you
for taking us there. I want to come back in
a second and get into twenty twenty four a little bit,
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your twenty twenty four take. First off, are you are
you decided already? Are you waiting to see in this primary?
(24:35):
And I'll ask you more questions based on how you
answer that.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Haven't decided yet, But as of right now, I'm riding
with Trump. That's what I'm going for right now.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
You think he can win.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I think he could win if he was in prison
against Biden.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Against Biden is what I mean. Forget about the primary
for a second. There. You think he can be Biden?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
It's it's interesting you said, do you think you can
win from prison? I do believe, And I've spoken to
some very smart legal minds like world class you know,
former attorneys general. I mean, people who really know the
law really well, and and they think Trump's in real
legal jeopardy. That's not to say he should be, but
(25:16):
that's to say that the way the system is setting
him up here. I mean, I think they're going to
hit him with a criminal case in Georgia, obstruction charge
for the marl Lago documents, and maybe even insitementto insurrection
for January six. What do you think?
Speaker 1 (25:30):
We'll see what happens.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
It's very risky when you start, as you know, playing
with the judicial system like that in our public prosecution.
I mean, I just find it insane that you have
former presidents that we're killing innocent people and you many
in Iraq each and every day. Or you have former
presidents who are flying with Jeffrey Epstein to his private
(25:52):
island thirty plus times and they're completely fine. You know,
they're untouchable, and they're still celebrated by the mass media.
And then, of course Donald Trump is the one who
might end up in prison before this upcoming election. But again,
I mean, it's been done before. We've had candidates run
for president from prison before. They didn't make it too far.
But I think if anything, it would just harden Trump's
(26:14):
base and maybe turn off some perspective independent voters. But
for me, it wouldn't wouldn't bother me, and I'm not
even a registered Republican I'm an independent, so I would
I would view it as the deep state coming after
a truth teller, which is something so many average Americans
have suffered from in the hands of these big tech
(26:35):
companies for the past several years now.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
So you're a registered independent. That's interesting to me because
I always think the challenge for Trump is it's not
with the base, it's not with the g it's not
with the Republican Party overall. I mean, if he's the nominee,
people on the right are going to come out for
Trump big time. I'm gonna come out for Trump. I mean,
everyone's coming out for Trump, who's a conservative when he's
facing Biden, for sure. But independence and when you start
(27:01):
to narrow it down to the key states Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada,
maybe Virginia. Probably not when you narrow it down to
these key states, though independence matter a whole lot, much
celebrated and talked about swing voters. How do you think
(27:22):
Donald Trump wins enough of them in those places to
beat Biden?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
You know, when it when it comes to beating Biden,
he did put forward a plan.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Like it or not think of it?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
What you will this build back better plan for actually
trying to revitalize America? And I think everyone agrees it's
been an abysmal failure. The question is does Trump have
something that can counter that, or does DeSantis potentially have
something that could counter that. As of right now, I
mean DeSantis just began his candidacy. He doesn't even have
a fully fledged website. But everything I see from him
(28:00):
is just opposition to the woke culture and there's no
real vision for America with Trump. Surprisingly to at least
to my surprise, and his he's been putting those little
policy videos out where he has his plans for making
America great again, and I think it's just been incredible
to see his plans for reindustrializing America. Obviously, he achieved
(28:22):
the USMCA trade deal, which was a bit better than
NATA for America, but I mean he's talking about really
revolutionary things like that. I don't know if you saw
his plan for building freedom cities, I don't know how
viable of an idea that is, but I mean he's
talking about choosing like the best city planners architects in
the nation, having them submit various proposals to create new
(28:46):
freedom cities and having them serve as kind of hubs,
as test hubs for young Americans to move in to
areas that will be populated with good paying jobs, low
low cost homes, and beginning to rebuild America. I haven't
heard any ideas like that from any presidential candidate in
a long time, and I think it's something we really need.
(29:07):
And I think when you talk about how do you
reach those independent voters that are concerned about the state
of our economy and the states of the fact that
the Biden administration has pretty much single handedly collapsed the
dollar as a global reserve currency. With the sanctioned warfare
against Russia and now probably with China, we are isolating
ourselves on the global stage. I think they want someone
(29:29):
like Trump who isn't a tody of Russia or China,
but knows how to make a deal and actually is
respected by these various leaders.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
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upcoming move to Florida, where I'm also I'm a former
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(31:04):
an original? You've kind of some California vibes? Are you
an original Californian?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Orange County?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Orange County? Oh, that's God's country, man, that's I grew
up as a New Yorker watching you know, these shows
like Beverly Hills nine oh two and zero in the OC,
and I was like, man, that would be really nice.
But you know, I know, you've got a little stronghold
of sanity there. It's a very beautiful place. What made
you finally decide you're gonna leave arguably the nicest part
(31:31):
of California to move to Florida?
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Well, first I moved to Los Angeles. I lived here
for the past two years, and Orange County was just
a bit slow for me. I'm twenty three and I
was looking for a bit more life in a city.
I like big cities. And I moved there and I'm
still here. I'm in downtown LA And I'm not even
being hyperbolic right now. I mean, if you've been to
(31:57):
La you know everyone says it is the worst place
in our country.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
It is.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Every day when I'm walking, I think we're sending two
hundred billion dollars to Ukraine. But I just passed by
six homeless people and you know, four piles of two
on the ground walk.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Into my coffee. It's crazy. Miami.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
I went for the first time there this winter and
I was just I was just so in love. I
took my girlfriend there and we just loved it. And
ever since we went there, we're just like, we got
to move to Miami. And you talk about the politics,
the culture, the people, the taxes, all that stuff. It
makes it a very inviting, the weather, very inviting place
(32:37):
to live.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Do you get any sense from Los Angelinos that they
are they are they in denial about what's happening to
their city still, or do they recognize that the state
of California has lost hundreds of thousands of people and
this is going to have a lot of downstream impacts,
including in the next census.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I think there's a lot of people who understand what's happening.
You know, you have average people that understand that's what's happening.
But I think you have a lot of like activists
that live here that just think it's the bashan for
progressivism or something to that effect.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
But yeah, the stats don't lie.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Everyone understands that businesses and people are leaving California, in
particular Los Angeles, and it's just very sad because it
used to be a beautiful place to live.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I mean everyone wanted to live here.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Now I wake up and I think, why on earth
would I wake up? You know, if you're making enough
money and you're not tied to a job, why on
earth would I live here when I don't have to?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Why would I choose to live here? So it's very sad.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, that's what happened to me in New York. Man. Well,
welcome to the Florida Revolution. I'll tell Governor Ron to
say just that you send your thanks to being. I
know you like Trump, but the governor here is doing
a great job as the governor. Yes, and we'll see
you in Miami. My friend Jackson Hankle follow him on Twitter,
and I'm sure we'll be seeing more of you man,
Thanks so much
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Thanks for having me on
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of The Buck Sexton Show,
and with me first time on the program, Jackson Hinkel.
He is an independent political analyst. He is He is
described as here on Twitter the most censored man on YouTube.
So I'm gonna have to ask you a bit about that.
We're gonna talk Ukraine, twenty twenty four, California, California versus Florida,
(00:44):
all kinds of good things. Jackson. Welcome, good to have
you on.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Let's let's start if if I'm a Ukraine, I want
to get to you, Crane. Did did you you were
on Tucker's show, Tucker Show, I bring it up, brings it,
brings a tear to my eye. But anyway, you were
on Tucker Show? Did you? Were you talking Ukraine that time?
Or was it a different topic? I can't remember now. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Tucker did a model about Joe Biden's infamous red background
speech where he looked like Satan himself in the pits
of Hell, and then he did a monologue comparing, you know,
Joe Biden's policies, his authoritarian policies, to Zelenski's authoritarian policies
in Ukraine. And it was really cool. And I went
on to talk about and compare those two things.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Okay, yes, well that makes so it was I knew
there was a Ukraine tie in, but it was a
few months back. So here's my thing. Let me put
this premise out to you. Tell me what you think
about this. So I remember being in a rock and
being in Afghanistan with the CIA years ago, and certainly
in the context of Afghanistan, knowing I was there twenty ten,
(01:53):
knowing that there's no chance this is going to work
like this plan that you know, we're sending more and
more people and this is never act. This thing of
we're going to have a self sustaining and democratic Afghanistan,
that that was just never gonna, never actually going to happen.
But nobody was willing to say that. First of all,
step one that and then okay, so what are we
(02:14):
doing here in Ukraine? I keep saying to everybody, all right,
so Republicans don't like that we're spending so much money,
I should say not Republicans some Republicans don't like that
we're spending so much money and that we're as involved
as we are, that we're sending F sixteen's, that we're
sending Abrams tanks, that Russia has thousands of nukes. But
I never hear anybody say what should we do? Like
(02:37):
what is the action item? Like in a Jackson Hinkle
foreign policy presidency, what is Ukraine policy?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
You bring up a good point, really good point, just
in the same way when it comes to Afghanistan, or
Iraq or Syria for that matter, Everyone in the State
Department to everyone in well most people within the Pentagon
are talking about how we're not going to stop with
this Ukraine business until Ukraine is victorious. But they'll never
(03:08):
ever identify what victory means for Ukraine. Some people have
come out and said, like I saw DeSantis came out
and say that if he could snap his fingers, he'd
give all of the Dombas and all of Crimea back
to Ukraine immediately. The fact of the matter is, as
you put it so bluntly, with the situation in Afghanistan,
(03:31):
it's just not possible. You know, whatever we try to
do there, it's not gonna work. Russia has already taken
most of the Dombas, and they, i mean Primea voted
by a margin of ninety seven percent in twenty fourteen
to join the Russian Federation. So whatever those in the
Deep State want, you know, their deepest wants and wishes
(03:53):
will never be granted. The only thing that they might
get close to is, you know, world War three and
nuclear warfare, which is obviously something that most rational saying
human beings don't want. But as for you said, what
would be my stated goal, if I would is the
one with the reins regarding Ukraine right now, I mean, ideally,
(04:16):
none of this would have happened in the first place.
Ideally you could have prevented this by the Obama administration
not launching a coup on the sovereign, democratically elected government
of Ukraine in twenty fourteen, or you know, encouraging this
Zelensky government anytime between twenty nineteen to twenty twenty two
to actually adhere to the various peace accords that Putin
(04:38):
had proposed for the Dombas. As for now, it's a
little bit too little, too late. I mean, Rushia's already
sacrificed so much to try and achieve their goal, which
I think is eventually going to be to not only
demilitarize Ukraine and get rid of the Zelensky administration in
its entirety, but probably to try and landlocked Ukraine and
(04:59):
conquer everything from Nikolaiev to Odessa all the way up
to Transnitria. So it's going to be a long time
before they can do that. I mean militarily, they're moving
slow but steadily. So the question of whether or not
a piece, you know, plan could be struck right now
is it's up in the air because they've already sacrificed
(05:20):
so much, so why would they stop now.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So I always want to ask those So even like,
let's say, if we took the the Trump America first
line on this one, right, if we were to have
President Trump, I would want to know, do we pull
the funding entirely at a certain date? So do we say, look,
you guys have a year to figure this out. You
have six months to figure this out, three months, whatever
(05:45):
it may be, and after that we start cycling down
the funding. And if not, then I always say to people,
So just you know, Jackson, when the war broke out
in what was it now, February of twenty twenty two,
on my radio show, I was saying, first of all,
all this stuff about how the Ukrainians were going to
just roll back. I remember that there was the stand
(06:07):
in Kiev, and then it was, oh, the Russians are
going to I said, everyone's underestimating the Russian war machine,
Russia's commitment to land warfare, grinding it down over time,
taking massive casualties if they have to on like this.
Just this notion of like the brave Ukrainian resistance is
going to now roll the Russians, it's just not going
to happen, and that this is going to eventually cost
unless we get a peace settlement, trillions of US dollars, right,
(06:30):
I mean, I know that sounds kind of crazy, or
maybe it's not a crazy people then, But now we're
at about, I don't know, on the books, one hundred
what one hundred and thirty billion, one hundred and fifty
billion something like that. War has absolutely no end in
sight whatsoever. So are we in for trillions? And if
we shouldn't be in for trillions, then shouldn't we set
(06:51):
a limit to how much money we're going to spend
on a war that most Americans say why exactly is
this my problem?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
And it was Joseph Brell, who's one of the top
policy officials for the European Commission. He came out about
a week and a half ago and said, well, I
know how to end the war in Ukraine. The quickest,
most simple way to in the war in Ukraine is
if the West stops supplying Ukraine with money, in aid
and weapons, because if they did that, it would be over,
as he put it, within days. So that's a Western
(07:24):
pro Ukraine voice who's leading up the policy on this
saying that very thing. As for you know how much
money we could be in the hole on this venture,
which is a suicide mission by the way, Yeah, it
could be trillions at the end of the day. And
I don't think we'll ever really know how much money
is being siphoned off for this, or how much money
(07:44):
has been pumped into Ukraine since I mean since at
least twenty fourteen. You look back at US medaling in Ukraine,
especially within the nationalist elements of Ukraine, you can go
all the way back to World War Two, the Cold War.
Of course, things he did up dramatically two thousand and four,
and then again in twenty fourteen. But you know, the
(08:08):
real point that I think should be drawn here is
exactly what you said. Russia is a war machine. You know,
we can look back in history. It's not really a
good idea to fight to Russia, especially you know, on
their Ukrainian border, and even more especially at a time
like winter, you know, and that's when Ukraine was preparing
this large counteroffensive that still has not materialized. I mean,
(08:31):
you can look back to Napoleon, you can look back
to Hitler. It is just not a good idea to
go to Russia in this region at the time.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
They did it.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And Russia is dead serious about the ambitions and the
goals that they put forward here, which are demilitarization of
Ukraine and denotification, as Putin stated back on February twenty
fourth of twenty twenty two. And how do we know
that their series, How do we know that they're committed
to this. We know that because they see the NATO
threat in Ukraine and now in some Nordic states as well,
(09:01):
but most specifically in Ukraine, as an existential fight. And
when there are existential threats to Russia, not only the
Russian government, and not only the Russian military, but the
Russian people stop at nothing to achieve victory. We saw
that in World War Two. They were twenty seven million people,
dead serious about achieving victory and they did do it.
(09:24):
And this is no different. I mean, they see it
as a very similar threat. There are many historical comparisons
that can be made. You know, they always say history
doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes. And there's surely a
lot of rhyming between what we're seeing right now with
this NATO threat against Russia and Ukraine and the threats
that the Third Reich pose against the Soviet Union back
(09:44):
in World War Two.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
So now I want to switch gears with you, Jackson
in a second and ask you about how you're the
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(11:15):
a lot of friends who are censored for a whole rate.
I've been censored on Twitter, on YouTube, on Facebook, you know,
strikes for this, suspension for that. What do you get
in trouble for? Why are you so censored?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Well, just what we were talking about a moment ago,
the Ukraine War. When you upset the Deep States plans
and when you expose the lies that they're putting forward
about one of the largest wars that we could possibly
see since World War Two. Definitely, we've already seen the
largest battle since World War Two in Ukraine. They get
upset and they lash out, and when it comes to
(11:50):
YouTube in particular, they act the alphabet company Google, they
act at the behest of these warmongering powers, the intelligence community,
so on and so forth. And it was just about
a year ago when my YouTube was it was I
got two suspensions, like totally about a month, and then
(12:10):
YouTube permanently demonetized my YouTube channel.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So for once a year ago, the reason.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
They claimed it was promoting pro Russian narratives on the
war in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well, this is amazing. I'm sorry. I didn't know there's
a thing YouTube scene.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
For me.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
It was always COVID stuff like masks don't work, which
now Ryn goes, oh yeah, yeah. When I was saying,
and a lot of people were old, Master's going to
save you, it was ridiculous. You got demonetized from YouTube
for being too pro Russian.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah, allegedly too pro Russian. I guess just telling the
truth now is considered pro Russian. But they The interesting
part of that was they had updated their YouTube policy
and then they came after me. But it was it
was about a month after they updated their YouTube policy
on Russian Ukraine that they did this. And I was
(13:01):
sitting there and thinking to myself, why did it take
them a month actually come after me, Why didn't they
do it immediately?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
And Glynn Greenwald and Matt Tayibi uncovered the answer. The
answer was that Ukrainian government established this thing called the
Ministry of Digital Transformation and it's essentially their pr you know,
front for the Ukrainian government. And they were actually coming
after my YouTube channel in particular and having thousands and
(13:28):
thousands of bots and discord groups and telegram channels go
and report my account. And I was just shocked when
they uncovered that, because I was like, I guess, you know,
twenty three year.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Old YouTuber that didn't go to college.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
You know, anyone, you know, whoever has a voice that
challenges the establishment correctly and with aggression, will be censored
in the hands of this Biden administration that answers to
the whims of governments like Ukraine for example. So it's
it's extremely concerning, and I think maybe even more concerning
than the COVID stuff, the COVID censorship, because although it
(14:04):
was complete bogus that was done, all the COVID censorship
was done under the guise of like, well, we have
to protect the public safety, we have to protect grandma
and grandpa's health.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Now with this, they're just simply stating that if you
have a foreign policy view that counters the official narrative,
you know, even though there's no public safety threat here,
we're going to censor you as well. It's very frightening.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
And did you have any at this, kint I was thinking,
as I'm asking, maybe this is a ridiculous question. You
have no appeal, right, I mean, they demonetize you. It's
like sucks for you, right, that's it. You're too pro Russia.
What do you say to people? I'm sure you get
attacked for being pro Russia too. I don't mean, but
you know, I'm throwing another question at you the same time,
what do you say to people who say that you
know your Putin's puppet because you know your point of view.
(14:50):
You don't have four Ukraine flags in your bio. That
is true.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, there's no like you said, no appeals whatsoever. It's
complete bogus and whatever it is. Vinmo, I got banned PayPal,
I got banned banned from Twitter multiple times.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
But I'm back now and are you on all that stuff?
Twitch same thing.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
But as for you know, the Putent puppet claim, I
think that, as with everything now, you're a racist, you're
a Nazi, you're a sexist, you're a Putin puppet. You know,
regardless of the veracity of the claim, it doesn't really matter.
People are going to throw that at you. And I
mean me being pro Russia at this point you have
(15:31):
to look at the material situation and you kind of
do recognize that in some ways what Russia's doing is
good for humanity.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Though that's definitely not the right thing to say. I
think that is so true.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
To take me into that one a little bit, that
one might get a lot of people going, wait, wait,
what Russia's doing is good for humanity. Take me through
that a little bit that that sounds a little strange.
Go for it.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Briefly.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I mean, you had the Ukrainian government that was refusing
to accept the peace proposals that Putin had put forward
regarding the you know, it was basically like a civil
war in the Dombas. From twenty fourteen to twenty twenty two,
they slaughtered about fifteen thousand individuals at the behest of
the Ukrainian nationalists in this fighting civilians in the Dambas.
(16:17):
These were Ukrainian citizens and Russia, many people within Russia
like the KPRF Zuganov. They were requesting that Putin step
into the Dombas and do something years and years ago
to stop the massacre against the citizens of Ukraine and
the Dombas, and Putin refused. He kept trying to negotiate
peace steals.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Over and over and over again.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
And now we're learning that those peace steals that Putin
was upholding his end of the bargain on were actually uh,
you know, no one in the West was taking these
things seriously. Aungla Merkel has come out over the past
three months and said that the whole idea of these
Minsk Accords, as they called them, was to give Ukraine
more time for the preparation of war against Russia. So
(17:03):
I think that it should have happened sooner. To be honest,
it's unfortunate that there was a coup in Ukraine, unfortunate
that no one adhered to these peace deals. But what's
even more unfortunate is that you had all these people
dying in the Dombass. I mean, you've had more civilians
die over the span of those eight years of civil
war than you've had civilians die over the past year
of extremely intense fighting. And that seems like a shocking statistic,
(17:27):
but it's just the truth.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
And that I mean, I'd want to check on that.
That's you're saying more people died in the fighting in
the Dawn Bass than have died in the civilians, non military,
non non soldiers have died.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Just civilians.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, so how many civilians.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
The nations, the United Nations believe it or not.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I mean, I don't know how much I trust the
United Nations, but they say ten thousand civilians have roughly
died over the past year of fighting in the dombass
and all throughout Ukraine, and all independent observers recognize that
it is between thirteen and fifteen thousand civilians that died
over the past like eight to nine years of fighting
post twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I mean that to me strikes me as entirely impossible numbers.
Let me just see what comes up. I'm curious how
many civilians died in Ukraine. I'm just wondering what comes up. Wow,
let me see it's saying it is that is fascinating.
Here we go the first No, I'm just gonna say this.
(18:27):
I google this because I, like a lot of people
at home, I want to be very very clear. I
would have thought the numbers were much higher, like and
I just to the point where I'm like, hold on
a second, Jackson, let me check this out to be
totally fair and transparent with everybody. It's radio free Europe.
First first thing that comes up, Radio free Europe, which
I don't think that's like a putin you know, putin
puppet thing or whatever. This is about eighteen thousand, So
(18:54):
I thought it'd be way more than that. And that's ready.
So and six thousand, five hundred killed and eleven thousand,
six hundred and eighty four injured. Is that that just
feels How is it possible with that number? Let me
let me check this through with the date that's eight
that's twenty two, twenty three, April of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
They said, like sixty five hundred killed.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah, yeah, civilian, I mean, yeah, I'm just can I
just be clear you you I I thought the numbers
would have been based on what we see and you
know that ear I would have thought the number would
have been much higher than that.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah, both sides have done a I mean Russia and Ukraine,
they've both done a pretty good job of evacuating citizens, uh,
civilians rather, but it does seem shocking, doesn't it, right
that would be the case.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I mean, you see bach Mout, you see the you
see like the destruction of the city and the way
that this is being you know, I really do think
that they met and and you know one of my
problems with this is, look, CIA a rock Afghanistan. Say
what a lot of things can be said about our
presence of what we were doing, uh, you know, the
US military and otherwise. But I had a pretty good
(20:02):
sense of what was real, what was going on there.
I mean, I could read news reports and be like,
that's not right, right, you know. With this Ukraine stuff,
I'm like, there's just so much proper baganda. I've never
been boots on the ground, so to speak. I've never
seen I've never been to Ukraine, and I know that
we're being propagandized to the point where it feels really
hard to get honest, broker information about what's going on
(20:25):
there that's not totally and I mean, I I be
honest with you, I thought I didn't want to let
you say that number without me, just because of my head.
I'm thinking, like that can't be right, Like it's got
to be more of that. No, that that apparently is
the number, so very interesting. But it just goes to
I think how fierce the propaganda is about this, because
they're making it seem like this is a World War
(20:45):
two struggle against the Nazis kind of fight, right, And
I think people are thinking millions of civilian casualties are
you know possible here? Well, anything is possible, but so far,
you know, call it less than ten thousand civilians dead
in Ukraine? Is this what this Radio Free Europe is saying?
(21:06):
So am I missing something?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
No?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I think that actually they're a pro Western outlet, and
I think that's I think of anything that might be
a bit low, But that's what they say.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I'm not bagging and tagging the bodies. But that is
one thing that is noteworthy about this war compared to
how we fought in say Vietnam, how the United States
fought and counted you know, dead Vietnamese fighters there was
by simply calculating, you know, if we fire x many
munitions towards the Vietnamese side, how many can how many
(21:41):
can we estimate we killed by virtue of how many
things we fired or shot off?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Here in Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Russia is actually you know, taking over new territory, more
and more territory, and they are bagging and tagging each body.
So the counts are actually much more accurate than most
other wars we've seen in recent history.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
So yeah, a lot of soldiers are fine, I'll say
the soldier. I just pulled up the most recent data
on this soldier casualties are really high, which is why
I think so the soldier casualties you're looking at, Russia
has suffered. This is part of the New York Post,
I mean Washington Post, which is pulling based on some
of the leaks. Actually that if you remember that guy
(22:22):
who leaked some of the information they had access to
a few months back a couple months ago. Two hundred
thousand Russian casualties and forty thousand killed is what they're saying.
And then Ukraine has about one hundred and twenty five
thousand casualties with about seventeen thousand killed. So a lot
of soldiers are dying in these fights, but I thought
(22:46):
the civilian number of casualties was going to be much
That's another number that I appreciate you bringing up here
because I would have assumed that it would have been
much much higher than that. So that just goes to,
you know, the way that these things are being talked about.
Let me that that was really interesting, Jackson. Thank you
for taking us there. I want to come back in
a second and get into twenty twenty four a little bit,
(23:08):
and then also calif Fournier versus Florida, which I think
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your twenty twenty four take. First off, are you are
you decided already? Are you waiting to see in this primary?
(24:35):
And I'll ask you more questions based on how you
answer that.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Haven't decided yet, But as of right now, I'm riding
with Trump. That's what I'm going for right now.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
You think he can win.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I think he could win if he was in prison
against Biden.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Against Biden is what I mean. Forget about the primary
for a second. There. You think he can be Biden?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
It's it's interesting you said, do you think you can
win from prison? I do believe, And I've spoken to
some very smart legal minds like world class you know,
former attorneys general. I mean, people who really know the
law really well, and and they think Trump's in real
legal jeopardy. That's not to say he should be, but
(25:16):
that's to say that the way the system is setting
him up here. I mean, I think they're going to
hit him with a criminal case in Georgia, obstruction charge
for the marl Lago documents, and maybe even insitementto insurrection
for January six. What do you think?
Speaker 1 (25:30):
We'll see what happens.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
It's very risky when you start, as you know, playing
with the judicial system like that in our public prosecution.
I mean, I just find it insane that you have
former presidents that we're killing innocent people and you many
in Iraq each and every day. Or you have former
presidents who are flying with Jeffrey Epstein to his private
(25:52):
island thirty plus times and they're completely fine. You know,
they're untouchable, and they're still celebrated by the mass media.
And then, of course Donald Trump is the one who
might end up in prison before this upcoming election. But again,
I mean, it's been done before. We've had candidates run
for president from prison before. They didn't make it too far.
But I think if anything, it would just harden Trump's
(26:14):
base and maybe turn off some perspective independent voters. But
for me, it wouldn't wouldn't bother me, and I'm not
even a registered Republican I'm an independent, so I would
I would view it as the deep state coming after
a truth teller, which is something so many average Americans
have suffered from in the hands of these big tech
(26:35):
companies for the past several years now.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
So you're a registered independent. That's interesting to me because
I always think the challenge for Trump is it's not
with the base, it's not with the g it's not
with the Republican Party overall. I mean, if he's the nominee,
people on the right are going to come out for
Trump big time. I'm gonna come out for Trump. I mean,
everyone's coming out for Trump, who's a conservative when he's
facing Biden, for sure. But independence and when you start
(27:01):
to narrow it down to the key states Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada,
maybe Virginia. Probably not when you narrow it down to
these key states, though independence matter a whole lot, much
celebrated and talked about swing voters. How do you think
(27:22):
Donald Trump wins enough of them in those places to
beat Biden?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
You know, when it when it comes to beating Biden,
he did put forward a plan.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Like it or not think of it?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
What you will this build back better plan for actually
trying to revitalize America? And I think everyone agrees it's
been an abysmal failure. The question is does Trump have
something that can counter that, or does DeSantis potentially have
something that could counter that. As of right now, I
mean DeSantis just began his candidacy. He doesn't even have
a fully fledged website. But everything I see from him
(28:00):
is just opposition to the woke culture and there's no
real vision for America with Trump. Surprisingly to at least
to my surprise, and his he's been putting those little
policy videos out where he has his plans for making
America great again, and I think it's just been incredible
to see his plans for reindustrializing America. Obviously, he achieved
(28:22):
the USMCA trade deal, which was a bit better than
NATA for America, but I mean he's talking about really
revolutionary things like that. I don't know if you saw
his plan for building freedom cities, I don't know how
viable of an idea that is, but I mean he's
talking about choosing like the best city planners architects in
the nation, having them submit various proposals to create new
(28:46):
freedom cities and having them serve as kind of hubs,
as test hubs for young Americans to move in to
areas that will be populated with good paying jobs, low
low cost homes, and beginning to rebuild America. I haven't
heard any ideas like that from any presidential candidate in
a long time, and I think it's something we really need.
(29:07):
And I think when you talk about how do you
reach those independent voters that are concerned about the state
of our economy and the states of the fact that
the Biden administration has pretty much single handedly collapsed the
dollar as a global reserve currency. With the sanctioned warfare
against Russia and now probably with China, we are isolating
ourselves on the global stage. I think they want someone
(29:29):
like Trump who isn't a tody of Russia or China,
but knows how to make a deal and actually is
respected by these various leaders.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
So I want to ask you about California and your
upcoming move to Florida, where I'm also I'm a former
New Yorker who moved to Florida, So we got a
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(31:04):
an original? You've kind of some California vibes? Are you
an original Californian?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Orange County?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Orange County? Oh, that's God's country, man, that's I grew
up as a New Yorker watching you know, these shows
like Beverly Hills nine oh two and zero in the OC,
and I was like, man, that would be really nice.
But you know, I know, you've got a little stronghold
of sanity there. It's a very beautiful place. What made
you finally decide you're gonna leave arguably the nicest part
(31:31):
of California to move to Florida?
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Well, first I moved to Los Angeles. I lived here
for the past two years, and Orange County was just
a bit slow for me. I'm twenty three and I
was looking for a bit more life in a city.
I like big cities. And I moved there and I'm
still here. I'm in downtown LA And I'm not even
being hyperbolic right now. I mean, if you've been to
(31:57):
La you know everyone says it is the worst place
in our country.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
It is.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Every day when I'm walking, I think we're sending two
hundred billion dollars to Ukraine. But I just passed by
six homeless people and you know, four piles of two
on the ground walk.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Into my coffee. It's crazy. Miami.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
I went for the first time there this winter and
I was just I was just so in love. I
took my girlfriend there and we just loved it. And
ever since we went there, we're just like, we got
to move to Miami. And you talk about the politics,
the culture, the people, the taxes, all that stuff. It
makes it a very inviting, the weather, very inviting place
(32:37):
to live.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Do you get any sense from Los Angelinos that they
are they are they in denial about what's happening to
their city still, or do they recognize that the state
of California has lost hundreds of thousands of people and
this is going to have a lot of downstream impacts,
including in the next census.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I think there's a lot of people who understand what's happening.
You know, you have average people that understand that's what's happening.
But I think you have a lot of like activists
that live here that just think it's the bashan for
progressivism or something to that effect.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
But yeah, the stats don't lie.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Everyone understands that businesses and people are leaving California, in
particular Los Angeles, and it's just very sad because it
used to be a beautiful place to live.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I mean everyone wanted to live here.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Now I wake up and I think, why on earth
would I wake up? You know, if you're making enough
money and you're not tied to a job, why on
earth would I live here when I don't have to?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Why would I choose to live here? So it's very sad.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, that's what happened to me in New York. Man. Well,
welcome to the Florida Revolution. I'll tell Governor Ron to
say just that you send your thanks to being. I
know you like Trump, but the governor here is doing
a great job as the governor. Yes, and we'll see
you in Miami. My friend Jackson Hankle follow him on Twitter,
and I'm sure we'll be seeing more of you man,
Thanks so much
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Thanks for having me on
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