January 21, 2025 • 35 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine & Karol cover various aspects of Inauguration Day, including personal impressions, celebrity sightings, and a detailed analysis of Trump's speech. They discuss cultural shifts, new alliances, and generational changes in leadership, culminating in a discussion about Biden's last day and the pardons he issued. They explore the political ramifications of these actions, including comparisons to Trump's administration and the handling of immigration policies. The discussion also touches on the pardons related to the January 6th events and the broader implications for law enforcement and civil liberties. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey guys, we were back on Normally the show with
normalish takes for when the news gets weird and it
is a very cold Inauguration Day edition of Normally. I'm
here with as always.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Carol Marko. It's nice to talk to you, MK. Can't
wait to hear your impressions of Inauguration Day.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
First of all, I was a little skeptical of moving
in inside, even though I know there's precedent for that
when it's very cold, and I'm a woosen the cold,
so you'd think I would support it, But I was
worried about sort.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Of the same girl name.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I was worried about the sort of majesty. I was
worried about people not getting to see what they had
traveled to see, many from very far away, and many
people who had spent a long time supporting the president. However,
it was bone chilling outside. It was really nasty, definitely.
It actually snowed yesterday while we were on air at
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various times in sleated, and it was icy, and it
was like a wind chill of twelve and so I
think everybody had had a fun time inside restaurants and
parties and made the best of the weekend and the
Rotunda experience was really beautiful. I of course was not
among the six hundred invited inside the rotunda, but it
was beautiful watching it on TV and covering it.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Love it. But I saw you were at some parties.
I saw you met. Who did you meet?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I met Connor McGregor.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yes, Connor McGregor was great celebrity spotting. I would get
my picture taken with him. I know who he is.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yes, well, that's you know, he's really famous because he's
a he's the fighter that everyone knows, right. He's like
our he's our generations Mike Tyson level, well known. And
it was funny. I was talking to at It was
at the Free Press party the night before the inauguration,
and I was talking to an Atlantic reporter who was like,
my husband says, there's some famous fighter around here. And
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so my husband and I, who are both UFC fans,
are looking around trying to see, like, oh, there's probably
a medium famous UFC fighter here. It's like, oh my god,
but with more cusswords. Is that kind of Regrettiger? And
here's the fun part, Carol, someone who works in his team,
(02:18):
This is a great lesson about like being nice to
folks throughout your career, no matter which job they have. YEA,
someone on his team says Connor, I want you to
meet Mary Catherine Ham. Amazing, And I go what because
we were just trying to sneak over and get a selfie, right,
And it turns out it was a young man who
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interreed at the Hugh Hewitt Show for several years and
we used to work with each other over the phone
doing radio in like twenty eleven, and so we did
need to meet him and it was fantastic. So I
was excited about that. I was excited about the other
celebrity siding I had, which was Jillian Michaels and I
love to talk.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
She's amazing, she was a blast. I knew you guys
would be friends. When I met her, I was like,
you have to meet my co host Mary Catherine Ham,
and I just I knew that would be a loved connection.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Oh my gosh. I could definitely hang out with her
in the gym or not, and she would definitely beat
me in the gym, but I could do my best.
But anyway, so a little a couple of celebrity sightings
and then mostly work other than that one party.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Right, well, it sounds like a really good time. The
only thing I remember about Connor McGregor I feel like
we were watching this together, but it must have been
like via like the Internet together when he broke someone's
nose with his shoulder. Do you remember that fight? I
just remember talking about it to you.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Well, that's funny. I'm sure I'm at the end of
this weekend blanking on something that I definitely should remember.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Something. Yeah, he like just knocked his shoulder into someone's nose.
Is impressive, really.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Well, and there is something that's actually a good segue
to the like the differentiation between the Trump celebrations and
the actual Rotunda inauguration, because man, like the the rally
before the day before the inauguration, uh, you got it
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swerves from Girls Gone Bible giving a prayer to Kid
Rock doing bah with Deba to uh to the Hulkster
and two first time Puerto Rican Pennsylvania voters. I mean,
it's just like and then of course ends with the
village people dancing with Trump and then you know the
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Connor mcgregors of the world and this like very interesting
new coalition. It's kind of wild. And then you get
to the Rotunda where it's just like this really beautiful
traditional ceremony.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
It's actually amazing how really normal and traditional and stayed.
Trump's speech was. I thought it was calm, collected. You know,
look during in twenty sixteen when he gave his speech
and George W. Bush said, that's some weird shipman, like
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that was some weird shipman.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
It was, it was, and this was not.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
This was not weird shit. This was really really normal
and I appreciated that.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah. I thought that his speech had sort of two halves.
One was that it was a pretty explicit indictment of
the current administration and the complaints that Americans have with
the problems that leftists have given them. Yeah, and I
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think it was deserved. Right. There are some I'm sure
who are like, oh, he shouldn't have done that to
his face or what have you, but they the discontent
with what the Biden administration gave Americans is what created
this moment, and it was exemplified by Biden. Will get
into this the details of it, but it was exemplified
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by Biden pardoning his entire family as he was arriving
for this August ceremony. That's right, just disgraceful. Ignominious behavior
to the end, and I don't even know if he
knows that he's signing it, have.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
No ideas, and so we'll seg into the you know,
into more about the pardons in Biden's last day. But
I mentioned to my fourteen year old daughter that Biden
pardoned his family and she was like, maybe he thinks
it did something wrong and he just doesn't know, because
you know, it's Biden, Like, who knows what do he knows?
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Fourteen years old knows this.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, I guess. So then you did the first half
of the speech and it's all about, like, you know,
people feeling like they can't get basic services. I deeply
appreciated his mentioning of North Carolina. He's just done it
twice in two days, so I am very happy that
North Carolina will not be forgotten. La has mentioned repeatedly
as well that this lack of trust in institutions has
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been driven by those who wanted to take him out.
These are all fair things to point out. I think
one of my favorite lines of the speech was when
he was like he made a promise not to politicize
the Justice Department and go after enemies, and he said
it's something I know a little bit about that was
in mind. Yeah, like a fairly subtle way to do that.
(07:38):
And then there was the like we're America impossible is
what we do best half of the speech and I enjoyed, loveday.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, I thought that was just great. I look, it's
an optimistic moment. It's a moment that we really need
someone to bring us a little bit closer together. That
that person is Donenald Trump is a surprise to me
as much as it is to anyone, but it is.
It is Donald Trump, but somehow it's Donald Trump yanking
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the country together.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Well, and he's explicitly thanked the new minority voters that
he earned during this time. I thought it was interesting
on that front and the sort of the cultural vibe
shift that Soldier boy. A couple people went after him
for performing at the Crypto Ball before the inauguration, and
he did a video and just said, look, made it
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very simple. Obama didn't put money in my pocket. Kamala
didn't put money in my pocket. Biden didn't. Trump did.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, And that's important.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
The idea that people will say that out loud. Who
are prominent people who are getting flack from their Peers.
Is a real difference.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, some might call it a vibe shift.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Did we talk about that. Oscar de la Renta is
is advertising that they have dressed Usha Vance and Evanka
Trump this time around. It's amazing the fashion houses are
definitely having a change of heart.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, I love that. I think that that's a really
good sign. And look, I mean obviously these you know,
last time around there were people who were dressing Milania,
but they would get such a barrage of hate and
attempted cancelation that they would tone it down and not
talk about it. He's not doing that. And he's my
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favorite designer honestly, him and Carolina Herrera. If I could
just wear two designers, and if I had a zillion dollars,
that's who I would wear all the time.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I also love Oscar de la Rena and by the way,
Usha off the charts. Look I empathize with or I sympathize.
I can't empathize because I can never dress this well,
but I sympathize with Usha having to be next to
mala Ania and Evanka. Right, these are two women who
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have a lot of experience dressing in this way frequently
over many years. Defining their own style, all that kind
of stuff, and Usha just knocked it out of the part.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
She was breathtaking.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
She really was incredible.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Wow, yeah, I thought one of my I was surprised,
you know, even even me, the old cynic I got
a little teary watching jd Vance get sworn in because
it is a generational change, yep.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
It is something that frankly, we've been hoping for that
there would be a new generation of leaders. We've been
watching the boomers fight each other for a while. Yeah.
And to see and to see Usha, who I really admire,
with her two year old, which is a real high
difficulty mom moved two year old at a formal, like bold,
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high stakes event like that. Mine would not stay quiet
during that swearing in.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
But if you get the band aids, she had three
band aids on her hand, which of course we all
know if you're a parent, every parent is because she
just wanted band aids and someone was like, we got
to give her the band aids she needs.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
She needs her Barbie band aids or whatever it is.
But to see her carrying her kiddo up there and
proud of her husband and watch him after having come
from his upbringing, which just a really it's a really
nice moment.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
It really was, and it was so relatable. They're just
a very relatable couple. I saw you tweet about whether
or not he was getting to watch the football game
he went to Notre Dame or he went to Ohio.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
He went to it. He went, let me help you,
he went to.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Help me, help me please. The thing is the fact
that I even know who's playing. You really just yeah,
because I have friends who are into Notre Dame and
they were talking about it, and that's the only reason
Night was playing tonight.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
You knew that there was a football game, and you
knew at least part of the name of each school.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
It's amazing, so tried, Yeah, that makes sense. He went
to Ohio because I was from.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Style, right, he went to They actually referred to it
as the Ohio State University. And yes, I do hope
that he's I don't when you hear this will know
who won. But I do hope that he's able to
watch that football game because as the most normal dude
who's run for president may or run for vice president
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in my lifetime. George W. Bush being the other most
normal dude of recent memory. He should he should be
able to watch his game. Really, I hope so. Right.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
You know what's really funny when you think back to
they tried to pin that he was weird. I know
that was how they ran against him, Like, I know
what a terrible campaign message that did not resonate at all.
Jd Vance is weird, that's weird.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I mean he's actually just a He's a lethal combination
of normal seeming and exceptionally smart, brilliant. Right, that's a
killer combo.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yep, personable, all of it.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah. I also wanted to applaud Carrie Underwood, who you know,
the music dropped out. It was clear that they couldn't
cue the music backing and it wasn't unclear to me
whether it was a track or it was a band
that was playing or what have you. But I loved
when she she's very calm. Obviously she's a total pro,
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and it's just getting to the point where people are
awkward enough, and you know, the TV people are like,
are we going to have to stall for time? And
she says she looks at the guy trying to troubleshoot
and she just says, I can just sing it, and
like of course she can. It's the clean version of
our Riley's effort. Let's do it live and and she
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then says, if you know, the words helped me out,
And it was a really it turned into a much
more beautiful probably moment because everybody was singing with her,
so that was cool.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
It was cool, and Biden was right next to her,
And when she said that, I was like, oh, no,
he does not know the words, and then he kind
of knew the words, so there you go.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It all worked out. No, So it was it was
It's always interesting to watch to witness history. I remember
covering the being on set for the first Trump inauguration
and people already sort of losing their minds a little
bit on set, and my sort of saying like, hey, hey,
(14:38):
some of these are just normal personnel changes that every
administration makes. I don't think we need to make such
huge deal about each of them. And there's an interesting
to me Counterhi history about had they treated him normally, Yeah,
in his first term, he probably would have been a
moderate ish Republican who made some deals with Democrats. He's
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very ideologically flexible. They wouldn't have created a situation where
Biden ends up becoming president and just thrashing the brand
and the party for four years, and they probably wouldn't
have ended up. They might not have ended up with
at least this type of second term for Donald Trump right.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Right where everybody's super excited to see him.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Right, they would have if there was a second term,
it would have been it would have been mid mid
COVID and people would have been like, like kind of
bumming out.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, yeah, I treated him normally, very realistic, alternative history.
I really could see it happening. We'll be right back
on normally. So Biden went out with a bank A
lot of it was expected and still super gross. Like
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earlier in the day, John Pittortz tweeted, like, is he
going to wait to give his brother the pardon till
like eleven forty five, And at like eleven thirty five,
he was like, Okay, now's the time, and he did.
He pardoned his brother and other members of his family.
He also pardoned Anthony Fauci. That is one that particularly
(16:19):
I feel kind of strongly about. I also don't think
that that one matches the other pardons really and it's
very curious to me, and it makes me want to
know what exactly he thought he was stardening Fauci for
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
It is, no stacking interesting. I feel like each of
these pardons gives you a window and to when someone
started committing crimes. It's like, it's like we're first two,
thy fourteen.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
And you for letting us know when to start that search.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I do think it's I'm also upset about the Fauci pardon,
And of course the Biden administration wants to have it
both ways, so they they say that, you know, these
guys accepting these pardons, by no way is an admission
of guilt on their behalf. But they also had their
DOJ announce and assert to J six folks that if
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they accept pardons, that would be an admission of repence.
So they're really they really want to have it both
ways here and and you really can't. But yeah, and
these guys, you know, Milli and Fauci are like happily
accepting the pardons. I feel like if it was me,
I'd be like, oh, man, thing wrong right right? But yeah,
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I mean, I'm curious when he's curious when he started
his crimes. I do I do think all of the
things that lefties overreach on and that Biden does end
up coming back to haunt them. And I don't mean
that just in the precedent for Trump doing things. What
I mean is that, although yes, we can get into that,
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I don't just mean that. What I mean is that
when you've pardoned Fauci, he can't play the fifth anymore
because he's immune from anything, and people still want to
get to the bottom of this. So you might actually
be able to question him without Trump, without the risk
of Trump leaning into the temptation to go to vengeful
on him.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yes, And look, you know, the thing is, I have
a very strong opinion on Bauci. I think he did
a lot wrong. I think he was a political agent
in a time where we really really needed a scientist
to explain things to us and to be factual and
truthful and not affected by like Randy Weingarten's wants and needs,
et cetera. But none of that is a crime. So
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what is he being pardoned for here? And the thing is,
of course, what is his connection to the Wuhan research Lab?
What is the idea here behind what the bidendministration was
thinking when they pardoned him. They didn't pardon him for
going on TV and saying that you don't need a mask,
and then saying you need two masks, and then saying
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you need a mask outside, and then saying you don't
need a mask outside. Right, none of that's none of
that's criminal. So it really does make you think, what
did this man do? What do they know? And how
do we find out? I'm fine with us finding out,
and fine he doesn't get criminally charged for it because
of this pardon, but I want to know what he did.
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I hope we get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I agree with you. He mentioned, also in classic Fauci fashion,
as he's accepting this pardon, that he has to accept
it because you know, the hypothetical things that Trump could
do that he's not doing. It's always a hypothetical risk.
The hypothetical risk is so great that it could it
would cause intolerable distress to him and his family. And
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I'm like, sure, you know, for sure everyone who waved
goodbye to their dying gramdma from the street and couldn't
hold a funeral or go to church or school, they'd
like a word about distress. Anthony Fauci, yep.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
And none of that is criminal, right, It's all all
kind of the wrong thing to do and incompetent and
his job and a jerk face. Sure, but none of
that's none of that is criminal. So I really do
think that, and you know, I have just the Rand
Paul to get to the bottom of this. I hope
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that Rand Paul runs with this.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I also looked up kind of the history of Trump
and Fauci, and for a long time they actually had
a very good working relationship and they complimented each other
and all of that. Their real main point of disagreement
and animosity is who gets the credit for getting the
vaccine rolled out quickly. That's not what Fauci haters don't
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like about him.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
They're not like, you're not.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Giving the appropriate credit to Trump for the vaccine rollout.
It's so, again, what is this really about?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yes, perhaps we shall find out. Did you see also
that he pardoned he pardoned someone who killed murdered two
FBI agents. Yeah, I mean, and didn't at one point
all the things he said he wasn't going to do,
he's done. He said he wasn't going to do violent offenders.
He said he wasn't going to pardon his son. He
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said it wasn't going to part of his partner, his family.
He said he wasn't going to do a blanket preemptive pardons.
In fact, when the hypothetical threat that one Donald Trump
would pardon his family came about in twenty twenty, is
that right? Yet in twenty twenty that when they made
a big deal over that, they asked Biden about this prospect,
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this very scary prospect of the norms being destroyed by
Donald Trump, which were later destroyed by Biden, and Biden said,
you know, that would really make me worry. I'm paraphrasing,
that would really make me worried about what the nation
and what the world would see about how justice works
in this country. And I'd be very concerned about that.
And you would not see that kind of thing in
my administration. Every single promise he made about this, that's right, and.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
All the people who defended him as this is a
good man, this is a man who would never do
these kind of kinds of things, and then, of course,
you know, then he did. The guy he released is
Leonard Peltier from federal prison. He killed two FBI agents,
Jack Kohler and Ronald Williams at the Pine Ridge, Indian
reservation in South Dakota in nineteen seventy five. He was
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serving two life sentences and now will be on home confinement.
So a cop killer goes free.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Amazing stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
KEUI agents not like being called cops, am I I
think their law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I just think over and over again, the left and
by himself end up being the threat. They say that
Trump will be right, and it just happens over and
over and over again. And although I think some of
Trump's behavior oversteps or is bad, even occasionally egregious, the
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constitutional threat posed by the cover up of Biden's mental
state is something that goes beyond I think anything I've
ever seen in my lifetime as a as a scandal
of epic proportions in a presidency. Not that it's covered
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that way, but it's just right.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
And the fact you know that all of this follows
that that he is handing out pardons to who knows
who and who knows why, He's making policies who knows why,
and who knows who's putting it in front of him.
All of that is just the scan to end all scandals.
We're going to take a short break and come right
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back with.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Normally, should we go into a little bit of Trump's
actions today. Yeah, because stuff started right away. The CBP
one app disappeared today. It got tiktoked, it got bricked.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
This is the app that allowed illegal immigrants to claim
asylum just automatically, and hundreds of thousands of people did
it through an app. We gave them an app for
this with no sort of vetting of the actual claims,
and so that went dark. Like second one, a bunch
of other immigration executive actions are on the list. He's
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really flooding the zone. And I a thing they've got
going for them is that they have much better prepped
than they were last time he came in the house.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Different administration, I mean in every way.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, And so they have these vetted executive orders that
they're trying to get through. I think the Birthright CITIZENSHI
one is going to have some trouble. There's certainly going
to be ones that go to court, but a lot
of them are just very common sense, getting the Biden
administration's nonsense off the books, getting the federal government out
of things that shouldn't be doing and into the things
it should be. And so it's been an active day
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and it ended with some pardons.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yes, he pardoned almost all of the January sixth participants,
and he commuted is it three sentences.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
It's a handful. It's like between three and six. I've
been seeing different numbers. But he shortened the prison terms
for rioters convicted of violence against police and issued sweeping
pardons for scores of other defendants who participated in the
January sixth siege on the Capitol. Is what NPR calls it.
I do think not the violent ones, right, Like, I'm
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fine with reassessing these cases. I think a lot of
people's civil liberties were abused. I think that even Enrique Tario,
who's the Proud Boys chairman, got twenty two years because
he wouldn't take a plea deal that was like six
years or something, right, So he was punished for going
to trial, which I don't think should happen. A bunch
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of people's info was dragneted so that they could find
the thousands of people who were within the vicinity of
the Capitol. They did a bunch of stuff they shouldn't
have done to get these people, and they've put insane
amounts of resources in time that would have been otherwise
used by the way for like actual violent criminals elsewhere.
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So I think, like I would have been very comfortable
with reassessing the nonviolent ones and not the violent ones, right,
you know.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
And the thing is is that this conversation would have
been a very different conversation if Joe Biden didn't exit,
you know, pardoning everybody who's ever met for crimes that
they may or may not have done over the course
of decades. So I think that the left really did
shoot themselves in the foot with this, because it's very
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hard for them to make this argument that oh, this
is wrong and that, you know, he shouldn't have blanket pardened.
I don't know, I feel like much the same like you.
I'm obviously, you know, very much pro law enforcement and
anti violence, and I think that a lot of these
people's rights got trampled on. And I'm largely okay with
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the blanket parden except for the violent ones.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, so I think he misssteps there, and like, look,
we're going to disagree with the moves he makes sometimes frankly,
today I'll like it like it's on the margins right
where I'm like, okay, I like some of this and
not other parts of it. Like today he does the
inaugural speech, and I'm like, oh, that was that was good.
And then he refuses to stick the landing and goes
(27:51):
next door and does this like rambling long speech to
his to his homers, to his you know, his fans.
It's fan service. It never seems to hurt him very
badly though, So but yeah, in this case, I think
I think that's that's the wrong use of this power.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Right. And Enrique Tario, just as a side note, was
not in the capitol that day. He had, you know,
put together a group to march to the capitol, but
he himself wasn't even there.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I mean, honestly, if you start looking into the details
of these cases, you go, wait, wait, wait, wait, this
doesn't seem like what I was told. Like Mema was
Mema was parading inside, and there were That's the thing
about January sixth. There were very violent and scary moments,
and then there were other moments that really were just
people walking through an open door.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Yeah, and they should differently, they should have been treated differently.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, I guess we're just doing We're just trading pardons
all the way down now.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Right right, who even I don't even know what Congress
is doing anymore, is just going to be executive orders, right.
I think that's what what what the Democrats have signed
up for after the last few years.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Well, on a bright note, I will say that the
Senate joined together on the day of inauguration in the evening,
maybe doing some of that drunk voting that Mark Mark
Queen Mullendog's about to approve Senator Market Radio as Secretary
of State ninety nine zero. So look at that.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
We did. The unity. Incredible. I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
We did the unity. It's so good. Oh man. By
the way, if I have decided that, yes, you shouldn't
wear shorts and a hoodie to inauguration, obviously, Senator John Fetterman. However,
I am on a sliding scale with this now because
if I have to trade his the decorum of his
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outfit for his common sense stances, I think that's a
trade I'm willing to make.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah, And he just you know, there's a group, some
class of man that always wear shorts, and he's just
in that class, and there's nothing we could do about it.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I think that I think that he should take a
page out of Malania's book, go to Carhart and ask
them to custom design him some formal wear.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I love Carhart. If Carhart wants to designed me some
formal wear, I'm.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
In, well you needed it the in DC today, My goodness.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yes, So wrapping this up okay, so you know we
have our yes I'm still mad bro segment and we
have the in case you missed it segment. I think
we could easily have a Nazi scandal segment.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
And if we drank every time someone in the Trump
administration is going to be accused of being a Nazi
in the next four years, I think we will be
drunk for many of these episodes. But the winner of
today's episode is Elon Musk and he gave a speech.
He was very excitable, bouncing around the stage, which I
actually love to see. I love when he acts like
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a little kid. It's super excited to be there. And
he put his hand on his heart and I don't
remember the exact words. He said something like my heart
goes out to you or yeah yeah, and he moved
his hand up towards the crowd in what people decided
was a Nazi salute and it's bananas. It's so crazy.
(31:23):
I mean you know, and I hate, I actually hate
all the arguments of like, he's not a Nazi, like
he went to Israel, he's pro Jewish, I mean whatever,
Like that's not the point. The point is you can
move your hand in a certain way and not be
a Nazi, and like stop being crazy about it and
the really impressive thing. Sorry, go ahead, yeah, no, no,
(31:43):
you go. Well, I was going to say that there's
the Anti Defamation League, which is a Jewish organization that
is extremely touchy and often gets really crazy about Oh
this is anti semitic, this is antismitic, which I really
think is a bad thing because plenty of things are
antismitic and we don't need to make things up. Yes,
(32:05):
and they tweeted this is a delicate moment. It's a
new day, and yet so many are on edge. Our
politics are inflamed, and social media only adds to the anxiety.
It seems that Elon Musk made an awkward gesture in
a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute. But again,
we appreciate that people are on edge. In this moment,
all sides should give one another a bit of grace,
(32:27):
perhaps even the benefit of doubt, and take a breath.
This is a new beginning. That's hope. We're healing and
work towards unity in the months and years ahead. This
is such a shocker. This is like the most shocking
thing the ADL's ever done. They took a breath and
weren't crazy.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I love it. No, it's the right thing. They said
it eloquently. Many made eloquent arguments on Elon's behalf. I
just tweeted, I shouldn't cuss, but F you were not
doing this anymore. We're not doing this anymore.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
You don't and you don't curse, you really don't.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I try not to do the the really bad words
on the X, but I did tonight because that really
it ticked me off. And we have to just draw
a hardline with these people now, Like it's just like
we're not that's it and doing this. We all know
that that's not what he was doing. We all know
you're pretending. And I'm done pretending exactly whether it's on
(33:19):
men and women and not non binary, whatever it is.
I'm done pretending, whether the president's non compassments, We're done pretending.
By the way, a few adds and ends before we
finish the pardons also included some of these pro life,
nonviolent pro life protesters who have been thrown in prison
first up to three years, one of these women for
(33:41):
being outside an abortion clinic and having conflict with other
counter protesters. So that's nice to see. And then lastly,
the reason that Fox News will continue to soar in
the ratings. Trump does a Q and A from the
Resolute desk in his Oval office. Oh yeah, this is
so good, with a gaggle, and Doucy yells out a question.
(34:04):
He says, do you have a letter from Biden in
your desk? Because you know they get the transition letter? Yeah,
for each other, right, And Trump goes, oh, I haven't
checked yet, should we check? And I was like, this
is the most amazing TV, Like, this is the Trump superpower.
And so he pulls it out and he's like, I
bet you'd like to read it together. Let me read
(34:25):
it first, and I'll fit. It's it's this insane back
and forth that is history playing out before your eyes.
And that's that's why both Trump and Peter Deucy will
continue to succeed.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yes, they're just so natural, and I love it. I
love that Trump isn't you know a lifelong politician who
always watched everything he said and doesn't know how to
be normal in front of other people. I really enjoy
that about him. I think we're also going to enjoy
the transparency he kind of says what's on his mind. Yes,
(35:00):
he's fantastic, but we'll take it after who knows what
was going on in the last four years did we
even have.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
A president exactly? That's one thing you can always say
for Trump is that he's doing the things pretty much
out in the open, and he's telling you what he's
going to do.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yep, Well here we are. You know, this is the
first episode of the new Trump administration. Looking forward to
four years of talking about this.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
There's gonna be as if today is any example, there's
going to be a lot of news broken a lot
of the time, all day long.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, and we'll be there for all of it.
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is a very cold Inauguration Day edition of Normally. I'm
here with as always.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Carol Marko. It's nice to talk to you, MK. Can't
wait to hear your impressions of Inauguration Day.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
First of all, I was a little skeptical of moving
in inside, even though I know there's precedent for that
when it's very cold, and I'm a woosen the cold,
so you'd think I would support it, But I was
worried about sort.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Of the same girl name.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I was worried about the sort of majesty. I was
worried about people not getting to see what they had
traveled to see, many from very far away, and many
people who had spent a long time supporting the president. However,
it was bone chilling outside. It was really nasty, definitely.
It actually snowed yesterday while we were on air at
(00:57):
various times in sleated, and it was icy, and it
was like a wind chill of twelve and so I
think everybody had had a fun time inside restaurants and
parties and made the best of the weekend and the
Rotunda experience was really beautiful. I of course was not
among the six hundred invited inside the rotunda, but it
was beautiful watching it on TV and covering it.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Love it. But I saw you were at some parties.
I saw you met. Who did you meet?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I met Connor McGregor.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yes, Connor McGregor was great celebrity spotting. I would get
my picture taken with him. I know who he is.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yes, well, that's you know, he's really famous because he's
a he's the fighter that everyone knows, right. He's like
our he's our generations Mike Tyson level, well known. And
it was funny. I was talking to at It was
at the Free Press party the night before the inauguration,
and I was talking to an Atlantic reporter who was like,
my husband says, there's some famous fighter around here. And
(01:57):
so my husband and I, who are both UFC fans,
are looking around trying to see, like, oh, there's probably
a medium famous UFC fighter here. It's like, oh my god,
but with more cusswords. Is that kind of Regrettiger? And
here's the fun part, Carol, someone who works in his team,
(02:18):
This is a great lesson about like being nice to
folks throughout your career, no matter which job they have. YEA,
someone on his team says Connor, I want you to
meet Mary Catherine Ham. Amazing, And I go what because
we were just trying to sneak over and get a selfie, right,
And it turns out it was a young man who
(02:40):
interreed at the Hugh Hewitt Show for several years and
we used to work with each other over the phone
doing radio in like twenty eleven, and so we did
need to meet him and it was fantastic. So I
was excited about that. I was excited about the other
celebrity siding I had, which was Jillian Michaels and I
love to talk.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
She's amazing, she was a blast. I knew you guys
would be friends. When I met her, I was like,
you have to meet my co host Mary Catherine Ham,
and I just I knew that would be a loved connection.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Oh my gosh. I could definitely hang out with her
in the gym or not, and she would definitely beat
me in the gym, but I could do my best.
But anyway, so a little a couple of celebrity sightings
and then mostly work other than that one party.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Right, well, it sounds like a really good time. The
only thing I remember about Connor McGregor I feel like
we were watching this together, but it must have been
like via like the Internet together when he broke someone's
nose with his shoulder. Do you remember that fight? I
just remember talking about it to you.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Well, that's funny. I'm sure I'm at the end of
this weekend blanking on something that I definitely should remember.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Something. Yeah, he like just knocked his shoulder into someone's nose.
Is impressive, really.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Well, and there is something that's actually a good segue
to the like the differentiation between the Trump celebrations and
the actual Rotunda inauguration, because man, like the the rally
before the day before the inauguration, uh, you got it
(04:23):
swerves from Girls Gone Bible giving a prayer to Kid
Rock doing bah with Deba to uh to the Hulkster
and two first time Puerto Rican Pennsylvania voters. I mean,
it's just like and then of course ends with the
village people dancing with Trump and then you know the
(04:43):
Connor mcgregors of the world and this like very interesting
new coalition. It's kind of wild. And then you get
to the Rotunda where it's just like this really beautiful
traditional ceremony.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
It's actually amazing how really normal and traditional and stayed.
Trump's speech was. I thought it was calm, collected. You know,
look during in twenty sixteen when he gave his speech
and George W. Bush said, that's some weird shipman, like
(05:19):
that was some weird shipman.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
It was, it was, and this was not.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
This was not weird shit. This was really really normal
and I appreciated that.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah. I thought that his speech had sort of two halves.
One was that it was a pretty explicit indictment of
the current administration and the complaints that Americans have with
the problems that leftists have given them. Yeah, and I
(05:52):
think it was deserved. Right. There are some I'm sure
who are like, oh, he shouldn't have done that to
his face or what have you, but they the discontent
with what the Biden administration gave Americans is what created
this moment, and it was exemplified by Biden. Will get
into this the details of it, but it was exemplified
(06:14):
by Biden pardoning his entire family as he was arriving
for this August ceremony. That's right, just disgraceful. Ignominious behavior
to the end, and I don't even know if he
knows that he's signing it, have.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
No ideas, and so we'll seg into the you know,
into more about the pardons in Biden's last day. But
I mentioned to my fourteen year old daughter that Biden
pardoned his family and she was like, maybe he thinks
it did something wrong and he just doesn't know, because
you know, it's Biden, Like, who knows what do he knows?
(06:50):
Fourteen years old knows this.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, I guess. So then you did the first half
of the speech and it's all about, like, you know,
people feeling like they can't get basic services. I deeply
appreciated his mentioning of North Carolina. He's just done it
twice in two days, so I am very happy that
North Carolina will not be forgotten. La has mentioned repeatedly
as well that this lack of trust in institutions has
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been driven by those who wanted to take him out.
These are all fair things to point out. I think
one of my favorite lines of the speech was when
he was like he made a promise not to politicize
the Justice Department and go after enemies, and he said
it's something I know a little bit about that was
in mind. Yeah, like a fairly subtle way to do that.
(07:38):
And then there was the like we're America impossible is
what we do best half of the speech and I enjoyed, loveday.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, I thought that was just great. I look, it's
an optimistic moment. It's a moment that we really need
someone to bring us a little bit closer together. That
that person is Donenald Trump is a surprise to me
as much as it is to anyone, but it is.
It is Donald Trump, but somehow it's Donald Trump yanking
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the country together.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Well, and he's explicitly thanked the new minority voters that
he earned during this time. I thought it was interesting
on that front and the sort of the cultural vibe
shift that Soldier boy. A couple people went after him
for performing at the Crypto Ball before the inauguration, and
he did a video and just said, look, made it
(08:31):
very simple. Obama didn't put money in my pocket. Kamala
didn't put money in my pocket. Biden didn't. Trump did.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, And that's important.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
The idea that people will say that out loud. Who
are prominent people who are getting flack from their Peers.
Is a real difference.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, some might call it a vibe shift.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Did we talk about that. Oscar de la Renta is
is advertising that they have dressed Usha Vance and Evanka
Trump this time around. It's amazing the fashion houses are
definitely having a change of heart.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, I love that. I think that that's a really
good sign. And look, I mean obviously these you know,
last time around there were people who were dressing Milania,
but they would get such a barrage of hate and
attempted cancelation that they would tone it down and not
talk about it. He's not doing that. And he's my
(09:34):
favorite designer honestly, him and Carolina Herrera. If I could
just wear two designers, and if I had a zillion dollars,
that's who I would wear all the time.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I also love Oscar de la Rena and by the way,
Usha off the charts. Look I empathize with or I sympathize.
I can't empathize because I can never dress this well,
but I sympathize with Usha having to be next to
mala Ania and Evanka. Right, these are two women who
(10:03):
have a lot of experience dressing in this way frequently
over many years. Defining their own style, all that kind
of stuff, and Usha just knocked it out of the part.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
She was breathtaking.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
She really was incredible.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Wow, yeah, I thought one of my I was surprised,
you know, even even me, the old cynic I got
a little teary watching jd Vance get sworn in because
it is a generational change, yep.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
It is something that frankly, we've been hoping for that
there would be a new generation of leaders. We've been
watching the boomers fight each other for a while. Yeah.
And to see and to see Usha, who I really admire,
with her two year old, which is a real high
difficulty mom moved two year old at a formal, like bold,
(10:59):
high stakes event like that. Mine would not stay quiet
during that swearing in.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
But if you get the band aids, she had three
band aids on her hand, which of course we all
know if you're a parent, every parent is because she
just wanted band aids and someone was like, we got
to give her the band aids she needs.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
She needs her Barbie band aids or whatever it is.
But to see her carrying her kiddo up there and
proud of her husband and watch him after having come
from his upbringing, which just a really it's a really
nice moment.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
It really was, and it was so relatable. They're just
a very relatable couple. I saw you tweet about whether
or not he was getting to watch the football game
he went to Notre Dame or he went to Ohio.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
He went to it. He went, let me help you,
he went to.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Help me, help me please. The thing is the fact
that I even know who's playing. You really just yeah,
because I have friends who are into Notre Dame and
they were talking about it, and that's the only reason
Night was playing tonight.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
You knew that there was a football game, and you
knew at least part of the name of each school.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
It's amazing, so tried, Yeah, that makes sense. He went
to Ohio because I was from.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Style, right, he went to They actually referred to it
as the Ohio State University. And yes, I do hope
that he's I don't when you hear this will know
who won. But I do hope that he's able to
watch that football game because as the most normal dude
who's run for president may or run for vice president
(12:34):
in my lifetime. George W. Bush being the other most
normal dude of recent memory. He should he should be
able to watch his game. Really, I hope so. Right.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
You know what's really funny when you think back to
they tried to pin that he was weird. I know
that was how they ran against him, Like, I know
what a terrible campaign message that did not resonate at all.
Jd Vance is weird, that's weird.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I mean he's actually just a He's a lethal combination
of normal seeming and exceptionally smart, brilliant. Right, that's a
killer combo.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yep, personable, all of it.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah. I also wanted to applaud Carrie Underwood, who you know,
the music dropped out. It was clear that they couldn't
cue the music backing and it wasn't unclear to me
whether it was a track or it was a band
that was playing or what have you. But I loved
when she she's very calm. Obviously she's a total pro,
(13:36):
and it's just getting to the point where people are
awkward enough, and you know, the TV people are like,
are we going to have to stall for time? And
she says she looks at the guy trying to troubleshoot
and she just says, I can just sing it, and
like of course she can. It's the clean version of
our Riley's effort. Let's do it live and and she
(13:57):
then says, if you know, the words helped me out,
And it was a really it turned into a much
more beautiful probably moment because everybody was singing with her,
so that was cool.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
It was cool, and Biden was right next to her,
And when she said that, I was like, oh, no,
he does not know the words, and then he kind
of knew the words, so there you go.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It all worked out. No, So it was it was
It's always interesting to watch to witness history. I remember
covering the being on set for the first Trump inauguration
and people already sort of losing their minds a little
bit on set, and my sort of saying like, hey, hey,
(14:38):
some of these are just normal personnel changes that every
administration makes. I don't think we need to make such
huge deal about each of them. And there's an interesting
to me Counterhi history about had they treated him normally, Yeah,
in his first term, he probably would have been a
moderate ish Republican who made some deals with Democrats. He's
(15:01):
very ideologically flexible. They wouldn't have created a situation where
Biden ends up becoming president and just thrashing the brand
and the party for four years, and they probably wouldn't
have ended up. They might not have ended up with
at least this type of second term for Donald Trump right.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Right where everybody's super excited to see him.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Right, they would have if there was a second term,
it would have been it would have been mid mid
COVID and people would have been like, like kind of
bumming out.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, yeah, I treated him normally, very realistic, alternative history.
I really could see it happening. We'll be right back
on normally. So Biden went out with a bank A
lot of it was expected and still super gross. Like
(15:56):
earlier in the day, John Pittortz tweeted, like, is he
going to wait to give his brother the pardon till
like eleven forty five, And at like eleven thirty five,
he was like, Okay, now's the time, and he did.
He pardoned his brother and other members of his family.
He also pardoned Anthony Fauci. That is one that particularly
(16:19):
I feel kind of strongly about. I also don't think
that that one matches the other pardons really and it's
very curious to me, and it makes me want to
know what exactly he thought he was stardening Fauci for
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
It is, no stacking interesting. I feel like each of
these pardons gives you a window and to when someone
started committing crimes. It's like, it's like we're first two,
thy fourteen.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
And you for letting us know when to start that search.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I do think it's I'm also upset about the Fauci pardon,
And of course the Biden administration wants to have it
both ways, so they they say that, you know, these
guys accepting these pardons, by no way is an admission
of guilt on their behalf. But they also had their
DOJ announce and assert to J six folks that if
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they accept pardons, that would be an admission of repence.
So they're really they really want to have it both
ways here and and you really can't. But yeah, and
these guys, you know, Milli and Fauci are like happily
accepting the pardons. I feel like if it was me,
I'd be like, oh, man, thing wrong right right? But yeah,
(17:39):
I mean, I'm curious when he's curious when he started
his crimes. I do I do think all of the
things that lefties overreach on and that Biden does end
up coming back to haunt them. And I don't mean
that just in the precedent for Trump doing things. What
I mean is that, although yes, we can get into that,
(18:00):
I don't just mean that. What I mean is that
when you've pardoned Fauci, he can't play the fifth anymore
because he's immune from anything, and people still want to
get to the bottom of this. So you might actually
be able to question him without Trump, without the risk
of Trump leaning into the temptation to go to vengeful
on him.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yes, And look, you know, the thing is, I have
a very strong opinion on Bauci. I think he did
a lot wrong. I think he was a political agent
in a time where we really really needed a scientist
to explain things to us and to be factual and
truthful and not affected by like Randy Weingarten's wants and needs,
et cetera. But none of that is a crime. So
(18:42):
what is he being pardoned for here? And the thing is,
of course, what is his connection to the Wuhan research Lab?
What is the idea here behind what the bidendministration was
thinking when they pardoned him. They didn't pardon him for
going on TV and saying that you don't need a mask,
and then saying you need two masks, and then saying
(19:04):
you need a mask outside, and then saying you don't
need a mask outside. Right, none of that's none of
that's criminal. So it really does make you think, what
did this man do? What do they know? And how
do we find out? I'm fine with us finding out,
and fine he doesn't get criminally charged for it because
of this pardon, but I want to know what he did.
(19:26):
I hope we get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I agree with you. He mentioned, also in classic Fauci fashion,
as he's accepting this pardon, that he has to accept
it because you know, the hypothetical things that Trump could
do that he's not doing. It's always a hypothetical risk.
The hypothetical risk is so great that it could it
would cause intolerable distress to him and his family. And
(19:51):
I'm like, sure, you know, for sure everyone who waved
goodbye to their dying gramdma from the street and couldn't
hold a funeral or go to church or school, they'd
like a word about distress. Anthony Fauci, yep.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
And none of that is criminal, right, It's all all
kind of the wrong thing to do and incompetent and
his job and a jerk face. Sure, but none of
that's none of that is criminal. So I really do
think that, and you know, I have just the Rand
Paul to get to the bottom of this. I hope
(20:26):
that Rand Paul runs with this.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I also looked up kind of the history of Trump
and Fauci, and for a long time they actually had
a very good working relationship and they complimented each other
and all of that. Their real main point of disagreement
and animosity is who gets the credit for getting the
vaccine rolled out quickly. That's not what Fauci haters don't
(20:54):
like about him.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
They're not like, you're not.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Giving the appropriate credit to Trump for the vaccine rollout.
It's so, again, what is this really about?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yes, perhaps we shall find out. Did you see also
that he pardoned he pardoned someone who killed murdered two
FBI agents. Yeah, I mean, and didn't at one point
all the things he said he wasn't going to do,
he's done. He said he wasn't going to do violent offenders.
He said he wasn't going to pardon his son. He
(21:27):
said it wasn't going to part of his partner, his family.
He said he wasn't going to do a blanket preemptive pardons.
In fact, when the hypothetical threat that one Donald Trump
would pardon his family came about in twenty twenty, is
that right? Yet in twenty twenty that when they made
a big deal over that, they asked Biden about this prospect,
(21:51):
this very scary prospect of the norms being destroyed by
Donald Trump, which were later destroyed by Biden, and Biden said,
you know, that would really make me worry. I'm paraphrasing,
that would really make me worried about what the nation
and what the world would see about how justice works
in this country. And I'd be very concerned about that.
And you would not see that kind of thing in
my administration. Every single promise he made about this, that's right, and.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
All the people who defended him as this is a
good man, this is a man who would never do
these kind of kinds of things, and then, of course,
you know, then he did. The guy he released is
Leonard Peltier from federal prison. He killed two FBI agents,
Jack Kohler and Ronald Williams at the Pine Ridge, Indian
reservation in South Dakota in nineteen seventy five. He was
(22:39):
serving two life sentences and now will be on home confinement.
So a cop killer goes free.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Amazing stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
KEUI agents not like being called cops, am I I
think their law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I just think over and over again, the left and
by himself end up being the threat. They say that
Trump will be right, and it just happens over and
over and over again. And although I think some of
Trump's behavior oversteps or is bad, even occasionally egregious, the
(23:18):
constitutional threat posed by the cover up of Biden's mental
state is something that goes beyond I think anything I've
ever seen in my lifetime as a as a scandal
of epic proportions in a presidency. Not that it's covered
(23:39):
that way, but it's just right.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
And the fact you know that all of this follows
that that he is handing out pardons to who knows
who and who knows why, He's making policies who knows why,
and who knows who's putting it in front of him.
All of that is just the scan to end all scandals.
We're going to take a short break and come right
(24:03):
back with.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Normally, should we go into a little bit of Trump's
actions today. Yeah, because stuff started right away. The CBP
one app disappeared today. It got tiktoked, it got bricked.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
This is the app that allowed illegal immigrants to claim
asylum just automatically, and hundreds of thousands of people did
it through an app. We gave them an app for
this with no sort of vetting of the actual claims,
and so that went dark. Like second one, a bunch
of other immigration executive actions are on the list. He's
(24:43):
really flooding the zone. And I a thing they've got
going for them is that they have much better prepped
than they were last time he came in the house.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Different administration, I mean in every way.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, And so they have these vetted executive orders that
they're trying to get through. I think the Birthright CITIZENSHI
one is going to have some trouble. There's certainly going
to be ones that go to court, but a lot
of them are just very common sense, getting the Biden
administration's nonsense off the books, getting the federal government out
of things that shouldn't be doing and into the things
it should be. And so it's been an active day
(25:17):
and it ended with some pardons.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yes, he pardoned almost all of the January sixth participants,
and he commuted is it three sentences.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
It's a handful. It's like between three and six. I've
been seeing different numbers. But he shortened the prison terms
for rioters convicted of violence against police and issued sweeping
pardons for scores of other defendants who participated in the
January sixth siege on the Capitol. Is what NPR calls it.
I do think not the violent ones, right, Like, I'm
(25:52):
fine with reassessing these cases. I think a lot of
people's civil liberties were abused. I think that even Enrique Tario,
who's the Proud Boys chairman, got twenty two years because
he wouldn't take a plea deal that was like six
years or something, right, So he was punished for going
to trial, which I don't think should happen. A bunch
(26:14):
of people's info was dragneted so that they could find
the thousands of people who were within the vicinity of
the Capitol. They did a bunch of stuff they shouldn't
have done to get these people, and they've put insane
amounts of resources in time that would have been otherwise
used by the way for like actual violent criminals elsewhere.
(26:35):
So I think, like I would have been very comfortable
with reassessing the nonviolent ones and not the violent ones, right,
you know.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
And the thing is is that this conversation would have
been a very different conversation if Joe Biden didn't exit,
you know, pardoning everybody who's ever met for crimes that
they may or may not have done over the course
of decades. So I think that the left really did
shoot themselves in the foot with this, because it's very
(27:05):
hard for them to make this argument that oh, this
is wrong and that, you know, he shouldn't have blanket pardened.
I don't know, I feel like much the same like you.
I'm obviously, you know, very much pro law enforcement and
anti violence, and I think that a lot of these
people's rights got trampled on. And I'm largely okay with
(27:27):
the blanket parden except for the violent ones.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, so I think he misssteps there, and like, look,
we're going to disagree with the moves he makes sometimes frankly,
today I'll like it like it's on the margins right
where I'm like, okay, I like some of this and
not other parts of it. Like today he does the
inaugural speech, and I'm like, oh, that was that was good.
And then he refuses to stick the landing and goes
(27:51):
next door and does this like rambling long speech to
his to his homers, to his you know, his fans.
It's fan service. It never seems to hurt him very
badly though, So but yeah, in this case, I think
I think that's that's the wrong use of this power.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Right. And Enrique Tario, just as a side note, was
not in the capitol that day. He had, you know,
put together a group to march to the capitol, but
he himself wasn't even there.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I mean, honestly, if you start looking into the details
of these cases, you go, wait, wait, wait, wait, this
doesn't seem like what I was told. Like Mema was
Mema was parading inside, and there were That's the thing
about January sixth. There were very violent and scary moments,
and then there were other moments that really were just
people walking through an open door.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Yeah, and they should differently, they should have been treated differently.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, I guess we're just doing We're just trading pardons
all the way down now.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Right right, who even I don't even know what Congress
is doing anymore, is just going to be executive orders, right.
I think that's what what what the Democrats have signed
up for after the last few years.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Well, on a bright note, I will say that the
Senate joined together on the day of inauguration in the evening,
maybe doing some of that drunk voting that Mark Mark
Queen Mullendog's about to approve Senator Market Radio as Secretary
of State ninety nine zero. So look at that.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
We did. The unity. Incredible. I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
We did the unity. It's so good. Oh man. By
the way, if I have decided that, yes, you shouldn't
wear shorts and a hoodie to inauguration, obviously, Senator John Fetterman. However,
I am on a sliding scale with this now because
if I have to trade his the decorum of his
(29:48):
outfit for his common sense stances, I think that's a
trade I'm willing to make.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah, And he just you know, there's a group, some
class of man that always wear shorts, and he's just
in that class, and there's nothing we could do about it.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I think that I think that he should take a
page out of Malania's book, go to Carhart and ask
them to custom design him some formal wear.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I love Carhart. If Carhart wants to designed me some
formal wear, I'm.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
In, well you needed it the in DC today, My goodness.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yes, So wrapping this up okay, so you know we
have our yes I'm still mad bro segment and we
have the in case you missed it segment. I think
we could easily have a Nazi scandal segment.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
And if we drank every time someone in the Trump
administration is going to be accused of being a Nazi
in the next four years, I think we will be
drunk for many of these episodes. But the winner of
today's episode is Elon Musk and he gave a speech.
He was very excitable, bouncing around the stage, which I
actually love to see. I love when he acts like
(30:59):
a little kid. It's super excited to be there. And
he put his hand on his heart and I don't
remember the exact words. He said something like my heart
goes out to you or yeah yeah, and he moved
his hand up towards the crowd in what people decided
was a Nazi salute and it's bananas. It's so crazy.
(31:23):
I mean you know, and I hate, I actually hate
all the arguments of like, he's not a Nazi, like
he went to Israel, he's pro Jewish, I mean whatever,
Like that's not the point. The point is you can
move your hand in a certain way and not be
a Nazi, and like stop being crazy about it and
the really impressive thing. Sorry, go ahead, yeah, no, no,
(31:43):
you go. Well, I was going to say that there's
the Anti Defamation League, which is a Jewish organization that
is extremely touchy and often gets really crazy about Oh
this is anti semitic, this is antismitic, which I really
think is a bad thing because plenty of things are
antismitic and we don't need to make things up. Yes,
(32:05):
and they tweeted this is a delicate moment. It's a
new day, and yet so many are on edge. Our
politics are inflamed, and social media only adds to the anxiety.
It seems that Elon Musk made an awkward gesture in
a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute. But again,
we appreciate that people are on edge. In this moment,
all sides should give one another a bit of grace,
(32:27):
perhaps even the benefit of doubt, and take a breath.
This is a new beginning. That's hope. We're healing and
work towards unity in the months and years ahead. This
is such a shocker. This is like the most shocking
thing the ADL's ever done. They took a breath and
weren't crazy.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I love it. No, it's the right thing. They said
it eloquently. Many made eloquent arguments on Elon's behalf. I
just tweeted, I shouldn't cuss, but F you were not
doing this anymore. We're not doing this anymore.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
You don't and you don't curse, you really don't.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I try not to do the the really bad words
on the X, but I did tonight because that really
it ticked me off. And we have to just draw
a hardline with these people now, Like it's just like
we're not that's it and doing this. We all know
that that's not what he was doing. We all know
you're pretending. And I'm done pretending exactly whether it's on
(33:19):
men and women and not non binary, whatever it is.
I'm done pretending, whether the president's non compassments, We're done pretending.
By the way, a few adds and ends before we
finish the pardons also included some of these pro life,
nonviolent pro life protesters who have been thrown in prison
first up to three years, one of these women for
(33:41):
being outside an abortion clinic and having conflict with other
counter protesters. So that's nice to see. And then lastly,
the reason that Fox News will continue to soar in
the ratings. Trump does a Q and A from the
Resolute desk in his Oval office. Oh yeah, this is
so good, with a gaggle, and Doucy yells out a question.
(34:04):
He says, do you have a letter from Biden in
your desk? Because you know they get the transition letter? Yeah,
for each other, right, And Trump goes, oh, I haven't
checked yet, should we check? And I was like, this
is the most amazing TV, Like, this is the Trump superpower.
And so he pulls it out and he's like, I
bet you'd like to read it together. Let me read
(34:25):
it first, and I'll fit. It's it's this insane back
and forth that is history playing out before your eyes.
And that's that's why both Trump and Peter Deucy will
continue to succeed.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yes, they're just so natural, and I love it. I
love that Trump isn't you know a lifelong politician who
always watched everything he said and doesn't know how to
be normal in front of other people. I really enjoy
that about him. I think we're also going to enjoy
the transparency he kind of says what's on his mind. Yes,
(35:00):
he's fantastic, but we'll take it after who knows what
was going on in the last four years did we
even have.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
A president exactly? That's one thing you can always say
for Trump is that he's doing the things pretty much
out in the open, and he's telling you what he's
going to do.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yep, Well here we are. You know, this is the
first episode of the new Trump administration. Looking forward to
four years of talking about this.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
There's gonna be as if today is any example, there's
going to be a lot of news broken a lot
of the time, all day long.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, and we'll be there for all of it.
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