December 12, 2024 • 25 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz discuss the recent decision by the San Diego Board of Supervisors to restrict county resources for federal immigration enforcement, the implications of this policy shift, and the broader trends in immigration politics. They analyze the Democratic Party's struggles with immigration issues, Trump's moderate stance on immigration, and the public's reaction to illegal immigration. The conversation also touches on the media's glorification of criminals, the complexities of healthcare, and Caitlin Clark's comments on race and privilege in sports. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey guys, friends, Normy's countrymen. Here we are on Normally,
the show with normal it takes for when the news
gets weird. I'm Mary calthery.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Ham and I'm Carol Markowitz. The news is once again weird,
Mary Catherine. The San Diego Board.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Of Supervisors voted.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Three to one yesterday to restrict the use of county
resources for federal immigration enforcement. And from what I understand,
that means that they are welcoming illegal immigrants. They're not
going to help the federal government deal with the legal immigrants,
even if those illegal immigrants are criminals, and they're going
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to be standing in ICE's way as they try to
fix the problem.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Right. And it's it's a three person board that voted
this way, and I believe they seem similarly, and there's
one Republican. And the thing is, I truly don't understand this.
I often try not to just describe absolutely nuts to
people's decision making, but this is something that will protect
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people who are accused or apprehended of violent crimes a rape,
of assaults. And they're just like, no, not only are
we not going to help, we're like welcoming this. This
is putting out a welcome mat for this specific type
of offender. And it does nothing for the people you
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are charged with protecting except possibly hurt them and make
them pay money to keep people there.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, and another thing is that California swung read this time.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
In a big way. Obviously it's still a super blue.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
State, but San Diego County swung red. And it's like
they didn't understand what people meant with their votes. And
I understand again, it's not the majority. Okay, you could say, oh,
the majority still wants blue policies, but you can't look
at to move to the right across the country towards
Trump and in California and in San Diego County and
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say no, we're going to keep doing things the way we've.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Been doing things. It's totally fine.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
The San Diego County sheriff, who has something to say
about this, as Kelly Martinez announced. According to Bill Malusian,
who's a great reporter at Fox and thanks to him
for doing all the immigration and border reporting for years.
She announces she will not adhere to the super sanctuary policy,
which is what they dubbed this approved by the San
Diego County Board of the Supervisors today pointing out that
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she is an independently elected official, the board does not
set policy for her office, and she has exclusive authority
over county jails. She adds that California state law is
clear on when local law enforcement can cooperate with ICE,
and that there is no loophole in the law as
claimed by Nora Vargas, the Democrat chair of the San
Diego County Supervisors who introduced the policy. So it's nice
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to see the coequal folks stick up for themselves and
claim their power, which is what Martinez seems to be
doing here.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yeah. I don't understand it either.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I think that Okay, let's say you are extremely soft
on immigration. You think that borders are nonsense or anything
like that. Fine, I know I've heard this from from
libertarians and from leftists. Okay, most people aren't like that.
Most people believe in some sort of border. What they're
saying here is even the criminals, even the people who
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came in illegally and went on to commit another crime, Still,
we're not going to kick those people out.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yes, that's where.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I think they're losing the majority of people. I don't
think that there are many defenders of No, let's keep
illegal immigrant criminals in our country, and I don't know
who this vote is really speaking to because of that.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Well, there's a headline from the Atlantic Apparently the San
Diego Democrats didn't get the memo. Why Democrats got the
politics of immigrations so wrong for so long, they spent
more than a decade left on the issue to win
Latino votes. It may have cost them the White House twice.
And not only that, but as we've talked about, it's
costing them Latino votes right. Steve Kornaki revealed who's a
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numbers guy NBC who's really good at delving into the
nitty gritty of exit polling and all the results. He
looked to New Jersey to all the cities or towns
where Hispanics account for more than seventy percent of the
population and found that in each of them, the margin
moved at least twenty points in Trump's direction compared to
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twenty twenty. This is not something you can just write
off as fake or whatever the new word they're using
is what was the one they used on the Biden videos.
What was the one they came up with for that white.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Adjacent's I don't know that's another word, cheap fakes.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
This is not a cheap ing phenomenon. This is not
white adjacent c this is not white supremacy. This is
people reacting to not being protected by their governments and
feeling like there is chaos at the least right.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So Axios had a whole thing also where California and
Latinos are specifically moving to the right, and they're really
affecting change there. They're credited with several Republican House seats.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I mean, it's just you're ignoring the.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Big picture here at the peril of your party. Fine,
you want to keep doing these crazy things, keep doing them.
I don't think it's going to be electorally advantageous to
the Democrats in the long run. They can maybe in
the short run keep this.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Kind of thing up.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
But you know, like we said last time, there's a
vibe shift. The vibe shift has arrived. People have had
enough of the nonsense.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Well, and when Trump talked about it to Kristin Walker
of NBC for Meet the Press, he did like a
seventy five minute sit down with her, and she asked
him about immigration. Look, this is something that very clearly
he ran on, very clearly. People knew what they were getting,
and she says, there, you know, are you really going
to do the mass deportation? And he said what most
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Americans agree with, Well, we're going to start with the
criminals and then we're going to get to the rest
of it. And then he even was like added the
idea that there could be exemptions for dreamers, people who
came here not of their.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Trump almost did that last time.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yes, so yeah, I think she was expecting him to
sound more apocalyptic and problematic, and in the parts where
she thought he did, most Americans agree with him, and
then largely he didn't sound yeah, problematic.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well, as we've said on this show several times, Donald
Trump is a moderate and anyone who thinks otherwise has
not been paying attention. He is a moderate, and he
is even a moderate on the issue of immigration, where
he's seen as this far out radical. It's not radical
to say people who.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Enter the country illegally should be removed.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I don't think there's anything crazy about that.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I think most Americans would agree with that. So again,
start with the criminals. See where it goes.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And the arguments from the left are so offensive.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Like who's going to pick your fruit? Who's going to
clean your toilets?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Like, I'm sorry, are we really importing an underclass of
people that are paid less than minimum wage? And you
think this is okay as a liberal if.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
That one doesn't work for me, that argument doesn't work
for me.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, I'm okay with not doing that.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Let's not do that. Yeah. Well, and it speaks to
the arguments of someone like a Josh Holly who makes
a populist argument that illegal immigration drives down wages for Americans. Yeah,
and that's something that American voters are very willing to
listen to. So yeah, I think the more that the
crazy townships and cities and blue areas fight Trump, especially
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on the jail stuff, the criminal stuff, it's not going
to go well for them.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Right, No sex changes for criminal illegal immigrants was Trump's
whole thing filost exchanges and also maybe you know, kicking
them out.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
By the way, when we talk about people who are
soft on immigration, I used to be one of them, right.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I don't know that I saw sauced on it, but
I was softer.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Eactly like I think I was probably more middle of
the road, a little what they would call squishy. If
you're a if you're a conservative who's a hardliner and immigration,
and like, look, they turned me into a hard liner.
I looked at the chaos and was like, nah, nah,
I project this right.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
It just it became too blatant, and and also just
the quantity, the quantity became so insane. I have a
normy sister in law who's definitely not listening to this
because she doesn't listen to, you know, political podcasts, because normies.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
But she in the last few.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Weeks has been sending me kind of like, is this migrant.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Thing really happening?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Like this, they wait, they take flights with no id
at all, Like if I forget my idea, I can't
get on the plane, but please right this way. And
I was like, yeah, this is this is a real thing.
And then she started noticing the numbers and this is
literally like in the last few weeks, she's like, have
you heard of this migrant crisis?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yes, yes I have. Well, and I think that's part
of it too, when you start to notice that illegal
immigrants are getting things that citizens would never get, put
up at a hotel for months at a time, right
flown around the country on the dime of the government.
I've never been flown anywhere by the US government. No,
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and many others are One of my least favorite stories
infamous stories was during COVID there was a story about
teachers in la public school, teachers who were not teaching
in person in regular schools going to teach at migrant shelters.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And when people see illegal immigrants being getting better treatment
than they have gotten right from the public systems they're
paying for, that ticks them off, right.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
And look, I'm an immigrant.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I was a refugee to this country. Let me tell
you there was absolutely no government dole or anything.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
When you got here.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It was like somebody had to promise to take care
of you. So if you couldn't take care of yourself,
you had a sponsor who signed a document saying that
they were going to provide for all of your needs.
And you were not going to get on welfare, you
were not going to get any kind of funding from
the government. And that's how it used to work. There
used to be a process, And that's the thing I
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think that most Americans, if they saw an immigration process,
would be for it. There is no process. It's whoever
cuts in front of the line. You know, one thing,
my mother's sister stayed in Russia. She had already had
a son and grandkids, and she just wasn't leaving with us.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
But she would.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
She came to visit one time in my entire life,
and every other time she was denied entry because it
was the assumption that she would just stay right. She
had family here, she had opportunity. Why would she go
back to Russia. She wouldn't have. But okay, she couldn't come.
But if she flew to Mexico and walked across the border,
come right in, let us.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Give you some fun. You know.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
She died a few years ago, having only visited us
one time ever. And that's what happens when you follow
the rules. When you don't follow the rules, you get
whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Nobody likes. That will be right back on normally.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
You know. It's another thing that nobody likes, at least
on this show, because we're normal. The glorification of the
and the drooling over the apprehended suspect in the shooting,
the execution style shooting of Brian Thompson, the head of
United Healthcare. That's right. The suspect's name is Luigi Mangioni.
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He seems to having having arrested at a McDonald's in
Pennsylvania and brought into custody. He yelled at reporters nothing
that sounded like a denial of his involvement, and in
fact sort of affirmed that the reasons that he might
have done this. And so I think we can safely
assume this is the guy. But he's a good looking
young man, right and the I think is okay outpouring
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of fandom for him, The numbers he's racked up on
social media gross, The just outward drooling over him is
so gross. And I think this minute from Jimmy Kimmel's show,
I don't want to do too much of it because
I don't want to glorify it either, is indicative of
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what we're seeing. And this is where I'd love to
see a vibe shift away from this. Here we go, so.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Many women and so many men are going nuts over
how good looking this killer is.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
And there's a huge wave of horny washing over.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Us right now.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
It's like when one of the guys you work with
says he I had a dream.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
About you last night.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
When it's the FedEx guy with the big muscles and
the rolled up sleeves, You're like, oh, but if it's
the bald it guy wearing crocs with black socks you're
on the phone with HR.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
It's kind of that same dynamic our staff today. I
have never experienced anything like this. These are screen grabs
of actual exchange between our members of our staff and
their friends, relatives, whatever. I've changed the names to protect
the guilty, but that's say.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Lorraine Sea asks.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Do you guys think the United Healthcare CEO killer is hot?
Friend replies yes, I love Luigi.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I think he's gay. Though.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
This is an exchange between two of our producers.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
We'll call them Alphaba and Glinda. My TikTok is flooded.
My mom chain's going nuts. That's my TikTok. Everyone is obsessed.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Ew yeah, I'm proud by the way of my mom
groups where there hasn't been a bed thing.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
And every time I hit like one of the videos
on I don't use TikTok, but you know I use Instagram,
which is TikTok. Two weeks later, I scroll right past
it because I don't want to even see this kind
of disgusting content. This was a father, This was a human,
and he was.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Killed for absolutely no reason.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Nothing is going to change in healthcare policy because of
his death.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Nothing is going to be improved.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
In fact, I would say that they you know, for
all they know, they got rid of somebody that was
working to improve it.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
You have no idea, We don't know anything. So I'm
just disgusted by all of this.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
My friend Guy Benson also made the point smartly and
tragically that not only does this guy leave two sons behind,
but they are of I think prime social media consumption ages,
which means they're going to be seeing this kind of
thing just blithely celebrating, not just for motive, but just
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like as a teen idol of some kind, the man
who shot their father in cold blood. It's so gross.
Tilu Lorenz continues her downward spiral about it. But you
know who else is included in this group sort of
making excuses for this. Elizabeth Warren, Yeah, communists, you know. Man.
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Senator Elizabeth Warren talking about the killing of United Healthcare
CEO Brian Thompson. She says, this the visceral response from
people across this country who feel cheated, ripped off, and
threatened by the vile practices of their insurance companies. Should
be a warning to everyone in the healthcare system. While
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she's stressed, quote violence is never the answer, but she
said the butt is the important part. People can be
pushed only so far. This is a warning that if
you push people hard enough, they lose faith in the
ability of their government to make change, lose faith in
the ability of people who are providing the healthcare to
make change, and start to take matters into their own
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hands in ways that will ultimately be a threat to everyone.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah. The thing with this whole you know, trying to
reenact the French Revolution thing that's happening on the left
is they are going to be among.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
The very first people to the guillotine. Guillotine.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Elizabeth Warren has a net worth of approximately seventy five millions.
I'm not sure that that's correct, but.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
She ain't poor, She's not.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
No if we are rich, yeah, she's the rich, right,
there's I mean, Forbes has her at twelve million at
in twenty nineteen. There are numbers up to seventy five million.
Somewhere between twelve and seventy five million. So let me
tell you, Elizabeth Warren, you are right up against that wall.
I do not believe that They're not going to come
for you. That's not how this whole thing works. Of course,
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Jimmy Kimmel also at least fifty million dollars. These are
not just wealthy people. These are insanely wealthy people. And
if they are going with it's going to be okay
to kill rich people, I have some really terrible news
for them.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Well, and can you can you imagine thinking it's okay
to have your text shown like like, let's let's just imagine,
by the way, Daniel Penny's an actual hero who saved people.
Do you think these same producers, living in their little
liberal bubble would be caught dead texting about an actual
hero right in a laudatory manner. No, because they believe
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that he's bad. But Luigi Mangiani, we kind of like him.
That is so warped to me. Yeah, it's insane, It
really is.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And another point that I think we kind of made
in passing.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
But somebody that I follow on ex Byrne Hobart, he's
really really smart, always has good financial takes, but he
tweets taking a glance at United Healthcare Financials. If corporate
greed equals COEO pay, eliminating it would mean getting about
zero point zero one four percent more healthcare. If it
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refers to profits, now we're talking a whole four point
six percent increase. The guy whose job is to say,
here's how much healthcare you can afford, given how much
a cost and how much money you have, is not
the guy deciding how much a cost literally shooting the messenger.
It usually goes without saying that you shouldn't celebrate assassinations,
even if you do genuinely dislike the target. But in
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this case it's important to add the people's celebrating this
are enumerate as well as evil.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Thank you, yes, thank you very much. The other thing
about this, look, healthcare is complex. One of our issues
is that we've for a long time had a third
payer system, which means no one is enduring the actual costs,
and so the costs can inflate to such an insane
degree because no one actually knows what anything costs, right,
which is what happens when you remove things from a
free market. We've got this weird Frankenstein system. Regardless, healthcare
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is very important. I want people to have care when
they are in dire straits, when they are sick. However,
this assertion that healthcare is a human right, and I
know you'll be with me on this, Carol, is an
assertion that you have a right to other people's labor, education, experience, expertise, time,
And those things are neither free nor unlimited right. So
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there will be a time at which there is some
sort of control on that. You do not live in
a world where you can just tap a doctor for free,
in unlimited quantity anytime you want, because that doctor has
a family and a life and bills to pay. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Period, it is free.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I always say this about people who are like, Oh,
Canada has free healthcare, UK has free healthcare, France has
free healthcare. There is no such thing as free. They
are all paying for it, just in a different way. Also,
I lived in the UK, I got very sick. Do
not recommend at all, you know where you want to
be sick America.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
That's why they had different ways of rationing. And it
comes straight from the government. That's another thing about this.
Everyone's like pivoting to universal health care. Are you under
the impression that the government, when totally in charge of healthcare,
does not ration healthcare right or.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
In other ways your taxes won't go up you think
that you really think that this is going to be free.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I mean, you know that that tweet where they're numerates.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
They don't understand how anything works, and they are very
loud about it is. It's embarrassing. How do you not
know that nothing could be free?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
One last note, CBS reports again, this is what Twelve
years after we totally fixed healthcare with the overhaul called Obamacare,
health insurance costs are far out pacing inflation, leaving more
consumers on the hook each year for thousands of dollars
in out of pocket expenses. At the same time, some insurers,
rejecting nearly one in five claims that double whammy is
leaving Americans paying more for coverage, it's sometimes feeling like
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they're getting less in return. Experts say, I'm sure we
should look in my Argat archives from two thousand and
nine and find some indication that this might happen. Right,
The problem's real, but I am skeptical of fixes from
the people who told me they were fixing it last time.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Absolutely, we're going to take a short break and come
right back with normally. I think you know, people like
when we talk sports.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I think because you know.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
About sports, a little bit.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
So do we need to find out who.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Caitlin Clark is or is that where we're going with this.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
We're gonna go to Caitlin Clark. Kaitlin Clark was featured
by Time magazine as Athlete of the Year. I believe
they just straight up gave her that title. So big deal.
But she's getting a little bit of backlash because in
her article, let me give some context, Kaitlin Clark is
the best basketball player, and she's a BATUEB player. She's
extremely popular. She thinks extremely white, and she's very white
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or just white, I don't know what. I'm also very white,
so I feel like I could say that. But she's
very popular. She brought in huge numbers of people when
she moved from college to the WNBA fandom, not only
to college women's basketball, but to the UNBA. Nonetheless, I
would not say she is beloved by her fellow mates
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in the WNBA. There were a lot of incidents this
season where she was very hard fouled in ways that
went beyond normal tough back.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
And I've seen the videos, and I, you know, to
say I hate basketball and women's basketball. The fact that
I've seen the videos where she gets chapped really hard,
really says something.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
It was on normal basketball, and I've played rough basketball
in my past. But she was interviewed and here's what
she had to say about sort of the racial overtones
of the WNBA and her treatment and the controversy. Clark
is cognizant of the racial underpinnings of her stardom first
of all, Like why are there racial underpinnings of her startup?
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She's just successful? Yeah, and she says, I want to
say I've earned every single thing. But as a white person,
there is privilege. A lot of those players in the
league that have been really good have been black players.
This league has been kind of built on them. The
more we can appreciate that highlight that talk about that
and then continue to have brands and companies invest in
those players that have made this league incredible, I think
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that's very important. I have to continue to try that.
The more we can elevate black women, that's going to
be a beautiful thing.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
It's like, clearly that was written in October.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Clark missed the memo on the vibe shift.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yeah, I use crazy language like that anymore.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
We don't for her. I want to stick up for
her a little bit, because I feel bad for her
that she got it from the left while she was
successful pre October and November of twenty twenty four, and
then she got it physically on the court, and then
she got it now she's getting it from the right
because people are upset that she's said this thing, and
now listen, I don't think Clark is getting herself any
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credit from anyone by saying this, which is right, if
you on a practical front, maybe.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Not do this.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
However, I am sympathetic to the idea that she is
playing in a very hostile environment and she has to
remain there, so she's trying to find a way to
do that. And I'm sort of impressed that she's kept
her head about her the way she has, because she's
a very fierce competitor. I am not nearly as good
a competitor, but perhaps as fear set times and I
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would have lost it like several of those contacts made
with her. So I think she's trying to figure out
how to grow up in this league, how to find
a spot, and I hope that the league matures quickly
to the point where it can like take all the
increased money increased sales, increased Jersey sales, increased endorsement deals
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that Clark has brought more graciously.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
That would be nice. Yeah, the problem with what she
said to me is it.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Does ring very walking the line, getting into line.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Part of the thing with leftism is it's very conformist
and you have to say certain things, and you have
to say things in certain ways, and you have to
use the right language. And she's clearly trying to do
that there. I feel sorry for her that she feels
like she has to, but like you said, it's probably
the environment that she's in and she is trying.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
To ingratiate herself into it.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
The thing I would say to her if I were
her friend is these are circular firing squads and you're
never going to win. Somebody always gets shot and it
might be you and it might not be you. But
saying what they want here is never going to get
you out of that squad. I mean, just keep dropping
thirty fright, I mean, just keep doing what you're doing,
and don't say that you were privileged because you're white.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
You're privileged because you're really really good.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
She's very good.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Again, I've heard of you Caitlin Clark, that must mean something.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
It must mean something. Yeah. I do think a little
bit of drama in a league brings eyeballs, but the
kind of hostility that she experienced was beyond that and
made many of her competitors look bad, while she frankly
looked great because she put up with a bunch of
crap and continued to win.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Ham and I'm Carol Markowitz. The news is once again weird,
Mary Catherine. The San Diego Board.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Of Supervisors voted.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Three to one yesterday to restrict the use of county
resources for federal immigration enforcement. And from what I understand,
that means that they are welcoming illegal immigrants. They're not
going to help the federal government deal with the legal immigrants,
even if those illegal immigrants are criminals, and they're going
(00:41):
to be standing in ICE's way as they try to
fix the problem.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Right. And it's it's a three person board that voted
this way, and I believe they seem similarly, and there's
one Republican. And the thing is, I truly don't understand this.
I often try not to just describe absolutely nuts to
people's decision making, but this is something that will protect
(01:09):
people who are accused or apprehended of violent crimes a rape,
of assaults. And they're just like, no, not only are
we not going to help, we're like welcoming this. This
is putting out a welcome mat for this specific type
of offender. And it does nothing for the people you
(01:29):
are charged with protecting except possibly hurt them and make
them pay money to keep people there.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, and another thing is that California swung read this time.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
In a big way. Obviously it's still a super blue.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
State, but San Diego County swung red. And it's like
they didn't understand what people meant with their votes. And
I understand again, it's not the majority. Okay, you could say, oh,
the majority still wants blue policies, but you can't look
at to move to the right across the country towards
Trump and in California and in San Diego County and
(02:07):
say no, we're going to keep doing things the way we've.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Been doing things. It's totally fine.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
The San Diego County sheriff, who has something to say
about this, as Kelly Martinez announced. According to Bill Malusian,
who's a great reporter at Fox and thanks to him
for doing all the immigration and border reporting for years.
She announces she will not adhere to the super sanctuary policy,
which is what they dubbed this approved by the San
Diego County Board of the Supervisors today pointing out that
(02:32):
she is an independently elected official, the board does not
set policy for her office, and she has exclusive authority
over county jails. She adds that California state law is
clear on when local law enforcement can cooperate with ICE,
and that there is no loophole in the law as
claimed by Nora Vargas, the Democrat chair of the San
Diego County Supervisors who introduced the policy. So it's nice
(02:54):
to see the coequal folks stick up for themselves and
claim their power, which is what Martinez seems to be
doing here.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yeah. I don't understand it either.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I think that Okay, let's say you are extremely soft
on immigration. You think that borders are nonsense or anything
like that. Fine, I know I've heard this from from
libertarians and from leftists. Okay, most people aren't like that.
Most people believe in some sort of border. What they're
saying here is even the criminals, even the people who
(03:28):
came in illegally and went on to commit another crime, Still,
we're not going to kick those people out.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yes, that's where.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I think they're losing the majority of people. I don't
think that there are many defenders of No, let's keep
illegal immigrant criminals in our country, and I don't know
who this vote is really speaking to because of that.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Well, there's a headline from the Atlantic Apparently the San
Diego Democrats didn't get the memo. Why Democrats got the
politics of immigrations so wrong for so long, they spent
more than a decade left on the issue to win
Latino votes. It may have cost them the White House twice.
And not only that, but as we've talked about, it's
costing them Latino votes right. Steve Kornaki revealed who's a
(04:13):
numbers guy NBC who's really good at delving into the
nitty gritty of exit polling and all the results. He
looked to New Jersey to all the cities or towns
where Hispanics account for more than seventy percent of the
population and found that in each of them, the margin
moved at least twenty points in Trump's direction compared to
(04:34):
twenty twenty. This is not something you can just write
off as fake or whatever the new word they're using
is what was the one they used on the Biden videos.
What was the one they came up with for that white.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Adjacent's I don't know that's another word, cheap fakes.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
This is not a cheap ing phenomenon. This is not
white adjacent c this is not white supremacy. This is
people reacting to not being protected by their governments and
feeling like there is chaos at the least right.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So Axios had a whole thing also where California and
Latinos are specifically moving to the right, and they're really
affecting change there. They're credited with several Republican House seats.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I mean, it's just you're ignoring the.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Big picture here at the peril of your party. Fine,
you want to keep doing these crazy things, keep doing them.
I don't think it's going to be electorally advantageous to
the Democrats in the long run. They can maybe in
the short run keep this.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Kind of thing up.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
But you know, like we said last time, there's a
vibe shift. The vibe shift has arrived. People have had
enough of the nonsense.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Well, and when Trump talked about it to Kristin Walker
of NBC for Meet the Press, he did like a
seventy five minute sit down with her, and she asked
him about immigration. Look, this is something that very clearly
he ran on, very clearly. People knew what they were getting,
and she says, there, you know, are you really going
to do the mass deportation? And he said what most
(06:03):
Americans agree with, Well, we're going to start with the
criminals and then we're going to get to the rest
of it. And then he even was like added the
idea that there could be exemptions for dreamers, people who
came here not of their.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Trump almost did that last time.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yes, so yeah, I think she was expecting him to
sound more apocalyptic and problematic, and in the parts where
she thought he did, most Americans agree with him, and
then largely he didn't sound yeah, problematic.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well, as we've said on this show several times, Donald
Trump is a moderate and anyone who thinks otherwise has
not been paying attention. He is a moderate, and he
is even a moderate on the issue of immigration, where
he's seen as this far out radical. It's not radical
to say people who.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Enter the country illegally should be removed.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I don't think there's anything crazy about that.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I think most Americans would agree with that. So again,
start with the criminals. See where it goes.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And the arguments from the left are so offensive.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Like who's going to pick your fruit? Who's going to
clean your toilets?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Like, I'm sorry, are we really importing an underclass of
people that are paid less than minimum wage? And you
think this is okay as a liberal if.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
That one doesn't work for me, that argument doesn't work
for me.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, I'm okay with not doing that.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Let's not do that. Yeah. Well, and it speaks to
the arguments of someone like a Josh Holly who makes
a populist argument that illegal immigration drives down wages for Americans. Yeah,
and that's something that American voters are very willing to
listen to. So yeah, I think the more that the
crazy townships and cities and blue areas fight Trump, especially
(07:50):
on the jail stuff, the criminal stuff, it's not going
to go well for them.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Right, No sex changes for criminal illegal immigrants was Trump's
whole thing filost exchanges and also maybe you know, kicking
them out.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
By the way, when we talk about people who are
soft on immigration, I used to be one of them, right.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I don't know that I saw sauced on it, but
I was softer.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Eactly like I think I was probably more middle of
the road, a little what they would call squishy. If
you're a if you're a conservative who's a hardliner and immigration,
and like, look, they turned me into a hard liner.
I looked at the chaos and was like, nah, nah,
I project this right.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
It just it became too blatant, and and also just
the quantity, the quantity became so insane. I have a
normy sister in law who's definitely not listening to this
because she doesn't listen to, you know, political podcasts, because normies.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
But she in the last few.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Weeks has been sending me kind of like, is this migrant.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Thing really happening?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Like this, they wait, they take flights with no id
at all, Like if I forget my idea, I can't
get on the plane, but please right this way. And
I was like, yeah, this is this is a real thing.
And then she started noticing the numbers and this is
literally like in the last few weeks, she's like, have
you heard of this migrant crisis?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yes, yes I have. Well, and I think that's part
of it too, when you start to notice that illegal
immigrants are getting things that citizens would never get, put
up at a hotel for months at a time, right
flown around the country on the dime of the government.
I've never been flown anywhere by the US government. No,
(09:28):
and many others are One of my least favorite stories
infamous stories was during COVID there was a story about
teachers in la public school, teachers who were not teaching
in person in regular schools going to teach at migrant shelters.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And when people see illegal immigrants being getting better treatment
than they have gotten right from the public systems they're
paying for, that ticks them off, right.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
And look, I'm an immigrant.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I was a refugee to this country. Let me tell
you there was absolutely no government dole or anything.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
When you got here.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It was like somebody had to promise to take care
of you. So if you couldn't take care of yourself,
you had a sponsor who signed a document saying that
they were going to provide for all of your needs.
And you were not going to get on welfare, you
were not going to get any kind of funding from
the government. And that's how it used to work. There
used to be a process, And that's the thing I
(10:22):
think that most Americans, if they saw an immigration process,
would be for it. There is no process. It's whoever
cuts in front of the line. You know, one thing,
my mother's sister stayed in Russia. She had already had
a son and grandkids, and she just wasn't leaving with us.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
But she would.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
She came to visit one time in my entire life,
and every other time she was denied entry because it
was the assumption that she would just stay right. She
had family here, she had opportunity. Why would she go
back to Russia. She wouldn't have. But okay, she couldn't come.
But if she flew to Mexico and walked across the border,
come right in, let us.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Give you some fun. You know.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
She died a few years ago, having only visited us
one time ever. And that's what happens when you follow
the rules. When you don't follow the rules, you get
whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Nobody likes. That will be right back on normally.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
You know. It's another thing that nobody likes, at least
on this show, because we're normal. The glorification of the
and the drooling over the apprehended suspect in the shooting,
the execution style shooting of Brian Thompson, the head of
United Healthcare. That's right. The suspect's name is Luigi Mangioni.
(11:35):
He seems to having having arrested at a McDonald's in
Pennsylvania and brought into custody. He yelled at reporters nothing
that sounded like a denial of his involvement, and in
fact sort of affirmed that the reasons that he might
have done this. And so I think we can safely
assume this is the guy. But he's a good looking
young man, right and the I think is okay outpouring
(11:58):
of fandom for him, The numbers he's racked up on
social media gross, The just outward drooling over him is
so gross. And I think this minute from Jimmy Kimmel's show,
I don't want to do too much of it because
I don't want to glorify it either, is indicative of
(12:20):
what we're seeing. And this is where I'd love to
see a vibe shift away from this. Here we go, so.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Many women and so many men are going nuts over
how good looking this killer is.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
And there's a huge wave of horny washing over.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Us right now.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
It's like when one of the guys you work with
says he I had a dream.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
About you last night.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
When it's the FedEx guy with the big muscles and
the rolled up sleeves, You're like, oh, but if it's
the bald it guy wearing crocs with black socks you're
on the phone with HR.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
It's kind of that same dynamic our staff today. I
have never experienced anything like this. These are screen grabs
of actual exchange between our members of our staff and
their friends, relatives, whatever. I've changed the names to protect
the guilty, but that's say.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Lorraine Sea asks.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Do you guys think the United Healthcare CEO killer is hot?
Friend replies yes, I love Luigi.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I think he's gay. Though.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
This is an exchange between two of our producers.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
We'll call them Alphaba and Glinda. My TikTok is flooded.
My mom chain's going nuts. That's my TikTok. Everyone is obsessed.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Ew yeah, I'm proud by the way of my mom
groups where there hasn't been a bed thing.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
And every time I hit like one of the videos
on I don't use TikTok, but you know I use Instagram,
which is TikTok. Two weeks later, I scroll right past
it because I don't want to even see this kind
of disgusting content. This was a father, This was a human,
and he was.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Killed for absolutely no reason.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Nothing is going to change in healthcare policy because of
his death.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Nothing is going to be improved.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
In fact, I would say that they you know, for
all they know, they got rid of somebody that was
working to improve it.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
You have no idea, We don't know anything. So I'm
just disgusted by all of this.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
My friend Guy Benson also made the point smartly and
tragically that not only does this guy leave two sons behind,
but they are of I think prime social media consumption ages,
which means they're going to be seeing this kind of
thing just blithely celebrating, not just for motive, but just
(14:33):
like as a teen idol of some kind, the man
who shot their father in cold blood. It's so gross.
Tilu Lorenz continues her downward spiral about it. But you
know who else is included in this group sort of
making excuses for this. Elizabeth Warren, Yeah, communists, you know. Man.
(14:54):
Senator Elizabeth Warren talking about the killing of United Healthcare
CEO Brian Thompson. She says, this the visceral response from
people across this country who feel cheated, ripped off, and
threatened by the vile practices of their insurance companies. Should
be a warning to everyone in the healthcare system. While
(15:15):
she's stressed, quote violence is never the answer, but she
said the butt is the important part. People can be
pushed only so far. This is a warning that if
you push people hard enough, they lose faith in the
ability of their government to make change, lose faith in
the ability of people who are providing the healthcare to
make change, and start to take matters into their own
(15:35):
hands in ways that will ultimately be a threat to everyone.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah. The thing with this whole you know, trying to
reenact the French Revolution thing that's happening on the left
is they are going to be among.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
The very first people to the guillotine. Guillotine.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Elizabeth Warren has a net worth of approximately seventy five millions.
I'm not sure that that's correct, but.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
She ain't poor, She's not.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
No if we are rich, yeah, she's the rich, right,
there's I mean, Forbes has her at twelve million at
in twenty nineteen. There are numbers up to seventy five million.
Somewhere between twelve and seventy five million. So let me
tell you, Elizabeth Warren, you are right up against that wall.
I do not believe that They're not going to come
for you. That's not how this whole thing works. Of course,
(16:25):
Jimmy Kimmel also at least fifty million dollars. These are
not just wealthy people. These are insanely wealthy people. And
if they are going with it's going to be okay
to kill rich people, I have some really terrible news
for them.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Well, and can you can you imagine thinking it's okay
to have your text shown like like, let's let's just imagine,
by the way, Daniel Penny's an actual hero who saved people.
Do you think these same producers, living in their little
liberal bubble would be caught dead texting about an actual
hero right in a laudatory manner. No, because they believe
(17:04):
that he's bad. But Luigi Mangiani, we kind of like him.
That is so warped to me. Yeah, it's insane, It
really is.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And another point that I think we kind of made
in passing.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
But somebody that I follow on ex Byrne Hobart, he's
really really smart, always has good financial takes, but he
tweets taking a glance at United Healthcare Financials. If corporate
greed equals COEO pay, eliminating it would mean getting about
zero point zero one four percent more healthcare. If it
(17:36):
refers to profits, now we're talking a whole four point
six percent increase. The guy whose job is to say,
here's how much healthcare you can afford, given how much
a cost and how much money you have, is not
the guy deciding how much a cost literally shooting the messenger.
It usually goes without saying that you shouldn't celebrate assassinations,
even if you do genuinely dislike the target. But in
(17:57):
this case it's important to add the people's celebrating this
are enumerate as well as evil.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Thank you, yes, thank you very much. The other thing
about this, look, healthcare is complex. One of our issues
is that we've for a long time had a third
payer system, which means no one is enduring the actual costs,
and so the costs can inflate to such an insane
degree because no one actually knows what anything costs, right,
which is what happens when you remove things from a
free market. We've got this weird Frankenstein system. Regardless, healthcare
(18:27):
is very important. I want people to have care when
they are in dire straits, when they are sick. However,
this assertion that healthcare is a human right, and I
know you'll be with me on this, Carol, is an
assertion that you have a right to other people's labor, education, experience, expertise, time,
And those things are neither free nor unlimited right. So
(18:51):
there will be a time at which there is some
sort of control on that. You do not live in
a world where you can just tap a doctor for free,
in unlimited quantity anytime you want, because that doctor has
a family and a life and bills to pay. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Period, it is free.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I always say this about people who are like, Oh,
Canada has free healthcare, UK has free healthcare, France has
free healthcare. There is no such thing as free. They
are all paying for it, just in a different way. Also,
I lived in the UK, I got very sick. Do
not recommend at all, you know where you want to
be sick America.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
That's why they had different ways of rationing. And it
comes straight from the government. That's another thing about this.
Everyone's like pivoting to universal health care. Are you under
the impression that the government, when totally in charge of healthcare,
does not ration healthcare right or.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
In other ways your taxes won't go up you think
that you really think that this is going to be free.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I mean, you know that that tweet where they're numerates.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
They don't understand how anything works, and they are very
loud about it is. It's embarrassing. How do you not
know that nothing could be free?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
One last note, CBS reports again, this is what Twelve
years after we totally fixed healthcare with the overhaul called Obamacare,
health insurance costs are far out pacing inflation, leaving more
consumers on the hook each year for thousands of dollars
in out of pocket expenses. At the same time, some insurers,
rejecting nearly one in five claims that double whammy is
leaving Americans paying more for coverage, it's sometimes feeling like
(20:19):
they're getting less in return. Experts say, I'm sure we
should look in my Argat archives from two thousand and
nine and find some indication that this might happen. Right,
The problem's real, but I am skeptical of fixes from
the people who told me they were fixing it last time.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Absolutely, we're going to take a short break and come
right back with normally. I think you know, people like
when we talk sports.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I think because you know.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
About sports, a little bit.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
So do we need to find out who.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Caitlin Clark is or is that where we're going with this.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
We're gonna go to Caitlin Clark. Kaitlin Clark was featured
by Time magazine as Athlete of the Year. I believe
they just straight up gave her that title. So big deal.
But she's getting a little bit of backlash because in
her article, let me give some context, Kaitlin Clark is
the best basketball player, and she's a BATUEB player. She's
extremely popular. She thinks extremely white, and she's very white
(21:17):
or just white, I don't know what. I'm also very white,
so I feel like I could say that. But she's
very popular. She brought in huge numbers of people when
she moved from college to the WNBA fandom, not only
to college women's basketball, but to the UNBA. Nonetheless, I
would not say she is beloved by her fellow mates
(21:39):
in the WNBA. There were a lot of incidents this
season where she was very hard fouled in ways that
went beyond normal tough back.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
And I've seen the videos, and I, you know, to
say I hate basketball and women's basketball. The fact that
I've seen the videos where she gets chapped really hard,
really says something.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
It was on normal basketball, and I've played rough basketball
in my past. But she was interviewed and here's what
she had to say about sort of the racial overtones
of the WNBA and her treatment and the controversy. Clark
is cognizant of the racial underpinnings of her stardom first
of all, Like why are there racial underpinnings of her startup?
(22:20):
She's just successful? Yeah, and she says, I want to
say I've earned every single thing. But as a white person,
there is privilege. A lot of those players in the
league that have been really good have been black players.
This league has been kind of built on them. The
more we can appreciate that highlight that talk about that
and then continue to have brands and companies invest in
those players that have made this league incredible, I think
(22:42):
that's very important. I have to continue to try that.
The more we can elevate black women, that's going to
be a beautiful thing.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
It's like, clearly that was written in October.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Clark missed the memo on the vibe shift.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yeah, I use crazy language like that anymore.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
We don't for her. I want to stick up for
her a little bit, because I feel bad for her
that she got it from the left while she was
successful pre October and November of twenty twenty four, and
then she got it physically on the court, and then
she got it now she's getting it from the right
because people are upset that she's said this thing, and
now listen, I don't think Clark is getting herself any
(23:19):
credit from anyone by saying this, which is right, if
you on a practical front, maybe.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Not do this.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
However, I am sympathetic to the idea that she is
playing in a very hostile environment and she has to
remain there, so she's trying to find a way to
do that. And I'm sort of impressed that she's kept
her head about her the way she has, because she's
a very fierce competitor. I am not nearly as good
a competitor, but perhaps as fear set times and I
(23:50):
would have lost it like several of those contacts made
with her. So I think she's trying to figure out
how to grow up in this league, how to find
a spot, and I hope that the league matures quickly
to the point where it can like take all the
increased money increased sales, increased Jersey sales, increased endorsement deals
(24:15):
that Clark has brought more graciously.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
That would be nice. Yeah, the problem with what she
said to me is it.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Does ring very walking the line, getting into line.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Part of the thing with leftism is it's very conformist
and you have to say certain things, and you have
to say things in certain ways, and you have to
use the right language. And she's clearly trying to do
that there. I feel sorry for her that she feels
like she has to, but like you said, it's probably
the environment that she's in and she is trying.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
To ingratiate herself into it.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
The thing I would say to her if I were
her friend is these are circular firing squads and you're
never going to win. Somebody always gets shot and it
might be you and it might not be you. But
saying what they want here is never going to get
you out of that squad. I mean, just keep dropping
thirty fright, I mean, just keep doing what you're doing,
and don't say that you were privileged because you're white.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
You're privileged because you're really really good.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
She's very good.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Again, I've heard of you Caitlin Clark, that must mean something.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
It must mean something. Yeah. I do think a little
bit of drama in a league brings eyeballs, but the
kind of hostility that she experienced was beyond that and
made many of her competitors look bad, while she frankly
looked great because she put up with a bunch of
crap and continued to win.
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