June 12, 2025 • 30 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine and Karol discuss the ongoing protests in various cities, the role of law enforcement, and the public's response to these events. They delve into the complexities of immigration and community sentiment, particularly in relation to recent political developments in New York City. The conversation also touches on celebrity apologies and how public figures navigate their relationships with the public and each other. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, guys, we are back on the show when Normal,
which takes from Windom News gets weird.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I am Mary Tavin here.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
And I'm Carol Marco. I'm Mary Catherine. How are you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm doing all right. There's no rioting by my house,
so we're good.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Not from yet.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
It spreads, It does spread.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
The protests do continue in Los Angeles, and despite the
fact that we are frequently told on the ex platform
that they are contained and we're being hysterical, Mayor of
Los Angeles did impose a curfew last night, which is
odd for protests that are not spreading and are super contained,
and they are spreading to other places like Chicago, New
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York City.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
They tried it in Tampa.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
One of my Twitter buddies, West Tennessee Barbecue described it
as tens and tens of people. Yeah, and there were
a lot of counter protesters and it was all quite hilarious.
But they are calling for a day of action this Saturday,
so it remains to be seen whether these protests really
will spread to other cities and cause fires and damage
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there as well.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
And I think, look, I'm fine with you guys being
wary of the federal government's exertion of power.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Welcome to the party on that. And protests are how
you address that? That's fine?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Protest away, yeah, pro just away.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Do not set things on fire, easy call, Do not
block traffic, do.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Not loot, do not loot.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Oh, by the way, did you see that the I
saw a clip where some Apple iPhones that have been
looted in LA started blaring alarms and saying return me
to the such and such store or it's amazing, like
the AI gotcha, and the AI was like, we're going
to contact the authorities on behalf of this stolen iPhone.
And I was like, I was like, the iPhones have
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risen up in defense of the waymos, which.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Self driving cars. Amazing. Yeah, so just like, don't do
those things.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Don't do those things.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Already in New York City where protests have begun, you
have folks blocking traffic. And you know what that means, Carol,
is that normis can't do normal things because there are
people who just need to run errands, and there are
people who need to pick up their kids from daycare,
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people who need to go to work. And you and
I both saw this fantastic clip illustrating the dynamic between
normal city dwellers and lefty protesters where a woman is
trying to go to work, and this is the interaction
she has with two lily white.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Protesters important there who are.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
No doubt well educated and for some reason able to
take off a Tuesday to protest in the streets and
block her way.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And here's the interaction that they.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Have about, I just knock again, you're not going?
Speaker 7 (03:21):
How is it the people protest?
Speaker 5 (03:26):
How I'm stopping a black woman from going to work?
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Oh no, not work?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
So you don't care about stopping black people from going
to work?
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Look at this, I'm not pausing the facial expressions.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Kind of make that video so if you can look
it up and go see her. But when he starts
making fun of the idea of her going to work,
her face is like if she was ever sympathetic to
any part of this, she no longer is.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Oh no, not work.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Has never been uttered by someone who doesn't have resources like.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
This guy is fine.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yes, this tonytailed lib is gonna be fine. He's gonna
have plenty of food today and all the things he
needs furnished for him. She would like to furnish those
things for her children. And this is what she gets
and she I love the part where she's like like
help me, help my yess and they're like they're like, no,
you're American, can't care about you.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Today is not about your kid.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
It is such a clear illustration of so many things
that drive this and I know there are sincere people
out there, but telling that poor woman that this is peace,
thus blocking a roadway is peace, that this is good
people things.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
We're doing good people things.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Stop yelling at us, lady who wants to feed your
children and her saying you could help me by just moving.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
That's it. It's very simple. You don't have to set
anything on fire. Just let me drive.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Yeah, has her.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Not being able to drive help them? Like, how in
the world is it at all helping any clause that
they want to support at all? I just it never
made any sense to me, like, let me inconvenience a
bunch of people who might even be on our side,
and that will make them be on our side, because
it won't. It definitely will not.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Doctor Drew talked about the song Guy Benson Show recently,
talking about the sort of the mental health mental health
issues that liberals self identify with at far higher levels
than Republicans, and he was talking about that and he
said a lot of this and sort of left activism
is an exercise in just having emotions loudly and putting
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them on other people, right, And so a lot of
this is because if you ask them to explain how
it's going to help, they don't know. They're just like,
we're making noise, We're doing the thing. We want you
to feel the pain that we want you to feel,
and that's the end of the plan. And I think
the same is true of their leaders, where Newsom and
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Bass are just having sort of emotional outbursts saying like
come at me, tough guy, and it's like arrest me,
why don't you? Why are you tough guy? The criminals
that would be that would be the thing to do.
And in these cities, I just am so fed up.
And look, it's why I don't live in a major city,
but I am so fed up on behalf of people
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who live there with the idea that just simple things
like law enforcement being allowed to say no, you can't
block the road, is that's somehow fascist?
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, So you know, the last episode, we talked about
how people were minimizing all of this and The La
Times had an article titled all of LA is not
a war zone. Okay, I was writing a market and
I did mock it a little bit because, okay, not
all of LA is a war zone. Even if only
part of one of our major cities is a war zone,
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I find that problematic.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Well, this is the this is the jd Vance line
from the debate.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I feel like one hotel taken over by.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Would be yeah, more than enough for us to be
out about.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Yeah, exactly so.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
But the La Times had that headline and they said
we separate facts from spin and disinformation abid amid immigration raids.
And I guess the La Times is actually working on
being a real newspaper. So the article did actually clear
up some disinformation, which I found, you know, unusual.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
There were stories, it was.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
It was really wild because because I immediately made fun
of the headline and then I read the article and
I was like, this article is not bad, this is
pretty good.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
They clickbaited and then did some journalism under it.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yeah, oh they really got me.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
So there were stories circulating n LA that ice had
raided a school, and lots of people spread it of
course on X you know, like they're ripping these kids
out of their middle school graduations.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
The LA Time article says this did not happen.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
There was another story about ice rating a hotel and
taking out workers that didn't happen either. They allude to
the home depot story, but that's the only one they
were kind of weak on.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
They didn't specifically say it didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
But there's been a lot of reports that the home
depot raid that also was rumored to have happened, yeah, also.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Did not happen.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
So I don't know how many people are listening to
this that are inflamed by stories that they're hearing. I
think probably our audience is a little bit more savvy
than that.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I think that they would not automatically believe sensational stories.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
But if you do, if you've heard.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Stories, like, give it a minute. I take this approach
to anything, really, to any major story breaking, give it
a second, see what develops.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, and like all of these things, you know, I
do think that there are ways that the federal government
can certainly overstep in doing its duty, which the cities
are preventing it from doing. I worry about marines because
what are the rules of engagement here?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
That is a step beyond National Guard.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
National Guard I'm pretty comfortable with because I don't I
didn't love twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I didn't love Summer of twenty twenty. Guys.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Some of the summer riots not for me.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Really, I'm done with that. And so I'm okay with,
you know, enforcing the laws. And many Americans are, and
as CNN found out, a lot of those Americans are
in the immigrant community. I love when Harry Enson, who
is the numbers guy at CNN, the poll like, look
deep at the polling guy when he comes out. He
does about a weekly segment where like Kate Baldwin, the
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anchor has to be like.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Oh right, really, and he's just like, he's.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Just like breaking brains with this seemingly counterintuitive information.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Let's hear him do so.
Speaker 8 (09:48):
Start off on the fact that immigrant citizens, immigrant voters
forigm bow and voters have gone tremendously to the right
on this issue in twenty twenty four and twenty twenty
five versus where they were on twenty twenty. Closest to
trust more in immigration, you go back to twenty twenty,
Democrats Get This held a thirty two point lead on
this issue. Immigrant voters were in the Democratic camp. Jump
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forward to twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Look at that.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
Shift, a forty point shift to the right among immigrant voters.
Republicans now lead on this issue by eight points over Democrats,
more so than any other group that I could find.
The group of voters who became more hawkish on immigration
were in fact immigrants themselves, immigrants who are registered to
vote in this country.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
So that's on that issue. How about how they feel
about kind of traditionally historically about Donald Trump.
Speaker 8 (10:38):
Yeah, so you know, you see this shift, and you go,
what is going on underneath the hood? Well, take a
look donald Trump. You remember when he first ran back
in twenty sixteen, immigrant voters are one of his weakest bots.
But look at this. Trump's vote share in presidential elections
among again immigrant citizens, those who are registered to vote.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Look at this.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Twenty sixteen, you got.
Speaker 8 (10:53):
Thirty six percent of the vote. You go to twenty twenty,
thirty nine percent of the vote. Look at this in
twenty twenty four, all the way up to fight forty
seven percent of the vote. Some polls I looked at
had him barely losing that vote. Some poles I looked
at had him barely winning that vote. Again, there is
no block of voters that shifted more to the right
from twenty twenty to twenty twenty four than immigrant voters,
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and Donald Trump, at least in some surveys, actually won
that vote. On average, it's about equal.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
So there may be all this.
Speaker 8 (11:22):
Stuff right about undocumented immigrants and Trump being harsh on them,
but immigrant voters themselves have increasingly liked Donald Trump and
have increasingly moved to the right on immigration.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
All right, thank you, Harry, You you can wrap that up.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I do enjoy that each of these segments, there's always
an attempt to be like.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Well, surely there's bad news.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Trump, and he keeps going through the numbers, and it
fact is that the news isn't bad and it's not.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah. Look, we don't.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Always say that whatever's popular is right. But in this case,
what happened is a bunch of communities have a assimilated, immigrated,
and then related and then watched Biden let untold numbers
right come across the border without vetting, without a system,
ignoring our laws, and they got fed up.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That's what happened.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Like you just you hit a tipping point where this
wasn't cool with people anymore. And the Mexican immigrants and
Latin American immigrants from two generations ago now look around
and go like whoaa, whoa right, what's happening here with
the wave in the Mexican flag and setting cup cars
on fire.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
That's not totally that's not us, right. I look, I'm
an immigrant. I feel this very strongly. I was always pretty,
you know, hardcore on illegal immigration, but I've certainly become
even more hardcore. I think that I don't know, I
think even just maybe a decade ago, I don't know
that I would have been like, oh, we should just
be rounding people up.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
But it's gotten so bad that this is where we
are now.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
And I also I find it very offensive when they
intertwine illegal and legal immigration as if it's one thing.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
We're just not one thing. And I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
You know, I told a story on X but my
mother's sister lived in Russia until her death.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
She was not allowed to come visit.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
She was not granted a tourist visa to come visit,
because the assumption always was that she would probably stay
because why why not you have a family, et cetera.
And she was already older, so she wouldn't be able
to work and she'd be a drain on the system.
We don't really know why, but this was the assumption.
We followed all those rules, and my mom would like
watch on TV the people streaming across the border.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
And she'd say, my sister can't come visit me for
two weeks. And we followed those rules, and we followed
the law.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
And it's galling when other people don't and they get
away with it. And this is why I legal immigrants. Also,
the whole come here, will give you a hotel room
and a check and all the different things, like we
had to promise somebody would take care of us.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
There was no come let us take care of you.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
It just doesn't exist, didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I just think you run into real The Trump administration
can run into problems by overstepping right overplaying their hand.
And I think he's spoiling for that fight he wants
to do over twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
He's happy to do that.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
But I think you run into real problems with normies
when it is so obvious that you value those who
have broken those sas who have violated the system over
those who haven't.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And in fact, what you do is you soak the
ones who follow the rules to serve the.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Ones who do not, And that is what happens in
all of these cities, and it's so depressing and so
demoralizing as an actual citizen who's trying.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
To do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
By the way, if anybody's worried about us living in
a fascist state, I do want to let you know
that the tweeting menswear guy, oh yeah, who I actually
started following back when he got promoted or whatever reason.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Yeah, I ended up following.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I enjoyed the takes. I was into it.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
He has a very specialized kind of knowledge. It's interesting,
and he's gotten very big. And then he had to
signal how lefty he was, so he just started like
trashing right landing figures.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Outfits and like whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I'm not a snowflake about it, but it's very obvious
that he's only picking right laning people. And then he
just decided during this week to say, oh, by the way,
I'm an illegal immigrant. And he was brought here by
his family when he was very young. He did not
really have a choice in this matter. Something that is
like more sympathetic certainly than other stories, sure, but like
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the menswear guy is just going to tweet that he's
here illegally and pretend we live in a fascist state. Yeah,
but tweeting that he's here illegally just makes him probably
more famous and more money on X.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And you know the Vice PRIs.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
No, and like, look, if he gets deported, you straight
up told everyone on the platform where the actual Homeland
Security and Vice President hang out a lot, that you're
here illegally. So like, that's well within what could happen
to you. You have assumed their risk here. But I
do think it's.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Kind of interesting that he's just still joking about stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
He's trolling on the X about this very pertinent fact
in our fascist state.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Right, and if he does get kicked out, he has
no one to blame but himself will be right back
on normally, speaking of crazy places that are doing crazy things,
New York City is going to have an election in
just a few days. They're going to have a primary election,
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and traditionally, whoever wins the New York City mayoral Democratic
primary goes on to win the election.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
This is the one party rule situation, right.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
It may be a little bit different this time because
the current mayor Eric Adams is running as an independent,
so I'm not really sure how that's going to play
into this. I mean, I've said openly if I were
still living in New York, I would be holding on
to Eric Adams with both hands.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
He you know, it's like which is which is such
a testament to the others.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
It's like vote for the criminal. It's important, truly.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
But in.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
The top two.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Slots of the Democratic primary right now are former Governor
Andrew Cuomo and Zorn Mamandi, who is a Democratic Socialist
and is running to the left of that. I would
say he's running as a full on communist and he
may win.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah, I mean, look, it's scary when the clearly best
options for normal people are Eric Adams and Andrew Cuomo.
And look, I don't want that guy to have a comeback.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
No, I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
But what.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I'm dammy is like right out here saying I'm going
to freeze rents. He has no authority to do so,
it would it would ruin so many things. It was
just like a middle schooler being like, I'll give you
free treats from the vending machines, Like, no, you won't.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Right, He wants free buses, government run grocery stores, and
freezing the rent. I mean again, full on communist government
run grocery stores, Like I don't even think AOC would
be for that.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
No, no, it's far out.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Somebody jokes that I think it was.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Ben Dreyfus pointed out that I'm sure they had decided
that AOC should endorse him, and when would she endorse him?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
And you got to make the most impact possible. And
it happened on the day that Elon and it was amazing.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
It really was, because it was like so like, will
she won't she? Will? She won't she?
Speaker 4 (18:44):
And she finally did it, and it's like did not
make the news at all?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
No, yeah, zero.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
So a lot of people hear his ideas and say
that's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Obviously someone like that can't win.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
But as I always like to say, it's very important
to remember that I will give you free stuff remains
a popular campaign tactic.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
And I'm worried.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I don't know, some polls I've seen have him winning Brooklyn.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
It's definitely a concern.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I hope Andrew Cuomo pulls it out in the Democratic primary.
The problem is that Cuomo is still super unlikable. And
you may remember that from twenty twenty and our friend
Justin Robert Young of the amazing political show Politics, Politics, Politics,
he points out on X that Mamandi is running a
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very good campaign tactically, and Cuomo is acting like everyone
in New York City should be honored. He'd slum it
by running for mayor. So so yeah, that's how that's going.
Like Como wasn't showing up to mayoral forums. He was
really just acting as if like here I am, you
guys are so lucky to have me.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Yep, that might not work.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
It might not work.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
It might not.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
And Zoron for his part, and I must say this
about every single one of the them that pops up Pep, Pete,
boudhajeedge aoc him. If they can talk, they're a danger.
And this guy can talk. His ads are very good,
they're creative. He is an interesting speaker, and so that's
always a challenge because he comes.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Off much more likable than quote like low bar.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
But it is amazing to me that both LA and
New York right now in very different ways.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
New York electorally LA.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
In the streets, the lefty leaders are doing the things
that the American people that the normies, even in their towns,
left leaning towns.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Have told them they hate. They don't want chaos.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
They don't want chaos on behalf of illegal immigrants and criminals,
convicted criminals.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
By the way, many of these people that are being
picked up.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
They don't like the far far left inability to govern
and deliver on services they do not want. That's why
the ezra klines of the intellectual lefty world to trying
to drag them back to the idea that they should
serve voters with an idea services, right, and they're just
like tripling down on all of it.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I don't know how they don't know. I don't think
they know how to pivot at this point.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Right, I kind of want to go back in time
and tell Carol and Mary Catherine of twenty twenty that
we'd be rooting for Andrew Pommo to.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Win, to win anything.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Really, I'm so not a fan of Andrew CMO. This
is again why I would prefer Adams if I were
New Yorker.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Just so imprincible. I don't even care how bad Adams is.
I'm like, I know, not this at all.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Exactly, And during the pandemic.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Clomo so openly hated New York City, and he was
just always so anti the city.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
But there's this whole subtext of.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
The mayor election where they get asked their bagel orders.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Yes, this is great, tell me your bagel order.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I mean, look, I'm not a connoisseur, so I think, like,
I'm not the one to ask, So we're going to
go to you second after I get my trash order out.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
But I would just say I bagel orders bow Jangles.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
No, my my favorite.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
My preference would be a fresh, warm everything bagel with plane,
cream cheese, right and possibly Lucks.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Okay, yeah, my order is everything, bagel, cream, cheese, tomato.
It's not crazy, it's not you know, anything fancy. The
thing is, when you're hearing the bagel orders in New York,
what New Yorkers are looking for is whether or not
you say toasted. If you say toasted, you're not from here.
So this is still still a New Yorker somewhere at heart.
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But yeah, you're it's it's the if you're toasting, then
you're not going to a bagel shop that makes it fresh,
And then what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (22:48):
You may as well have a supermarket based.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
So this was new information to me because I have
never lived in a place with great bagels like New
York I did. We had a Burger's bagel, which is
a chain, and I'm sure you workers would look down
upon it.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
However, they did have fresh bagels, which is why.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
That's all that matters.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I want the hot one, right right, but I will,
you know, toast one when I don't have that option.
But I believe let's see, it was Zorn's was toasted,
correct that where he went?
Speaker 5 (23:21):
I don't know. I had the brad Lander.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Our friend Eli Klein on X pointed out that brad
Lander gave his bagel order as everything bagel, scallion cream, cheese,
sliced tomato, and locks and again, it doesn't matter what
you put on it, capers and blah blah blah, it
doesn't matter. But brad Lander then retweeted like somebody praising
his order and added lightly toasted.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
It's like he has no principles.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
This man stands for nothing.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Come on, right, it's it's it's just it's unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Okay, So yes, okay, let me let me just call
him out. Yeah, the socialist is for toasted, Okay, the order.
As someone who grew up morning side heights, I have
to go back to absolute bagels, poppy seed bagel, scallion
cream cheese, some pulp tropic canna on the side, And
this is going to lose me some votes.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
But to be honest with you, toasted.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, unacceptable, just really really not acceptable. So Ben points
out that bagel shops bake their own bagels fresh, no
reason to toast a bagel, And then he says, no
one is saying you shouldn't toast your piece of shit,
loser bagel that you bought from the supermarket and brought
back to your rat infested trailer.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
I actually showed that to my daughter to.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Be like, you know, toasting bagels is unacceptable, yes, behavior okay.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
He also made.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Fun of Zoran because he had the tropic canna on
the side. He was like, toasted poppy seed bagel with
a tropic canna on the side. Is he running to
be the mayor of Cincinnati Airport? Which it's pretty good, pretty.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Good, It's funny.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Do you remember notoriously Cynthia Nixon, the Sex and the
City actress. She had some weird She was a gubernatorial
candidate and her bagel order was this is horrific.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
A cinnamon raisin bagel. Yeah, with locks and cabage.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
How ow.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Like I'm for a sweet and savory in some capacities,
but not in that one.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
No, No, that's super gross.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
That's anyway, best of luck to everyone. Yeah, I do
not understand if you can get one fresh and hot
right in New York?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Why are you? That doesn't make any sense. Why would
you coast?
Speaker 4 (25:28):
It makes no sense. That's absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
You're not for my land of trash bagels? Like, do
it right.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
We're going to take a short break and come right
back with normally.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
People have been having a good twenty four hours of
being nice and apologizing. Should we wrap up with something pleasure?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, let's do some some apologies. The apology tour, the
apology to very famous people.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
It turns out that both Simone Biles and Elon Musk
have had a bit of a change of heart.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, Simone Biles, her apology was very.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Scripted, conluted.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yes, I did not believe her, Like her post at
Riley was on a Saturday night, and you know, I guess.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
A lot I and a lot of other people assumed
she had had a.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
Couple of drinks aggressive, yes, yes, but this her apology
was just like the current system doesn't adequately balance these
important principles of you know, competitive equity and inclusivity, which often.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Leads to frustration and heated exchanges. And it didn't help
for me to get personal with Riley, which I apologize
for it.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Just like just say, you're sorry, what is this? What
is this like the way that.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
I spoke, you know, it just it made no sense
to me.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
And also it seems like forty eight hours after the thing.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
It was like in not probably not that quite that much,
but it was the delay was large given how famous
she is and how quickly the news cycle moves. Nor
you want to do a clean up like this pretty
quickly afterwards, so that would have probably helped.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
But I think.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Kiley is so just what a great person accepted the
apology said, you know, Simon is still the greatest gymnast
ever and accepts it.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I don't accept it.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
I just I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I found the apology to be bake And I like,
if Simone Biles is promoting something I'm not in that.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
She she lost me.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, I'm out on it too, Like she's she's without
dispute the goat when it comes to stymnastics. No one
can take that away from her. I'm not going to
be particularly wooed anymore by any of her pitches.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Yeah, yeah, that's it for that.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Elon Musk, However, his his his apology tweet was around
three in the morning, who.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
By the way, definitely does not have crisis pr That
guy no no.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Is helping him craft any of this, He tweets, I
regret some of my posts about President Donald Trump last week.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
They went too far.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Again, it's not an effusive apology, but I believe him.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Again at three in the.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Morning apology that's not four hundred words, I feel like
he really means it.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Will they be bros?
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Again?
Speaker 4 (28:22):
I'm not so sure.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
Well.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
For his part, Trump responded and as he has done
throughout this pretty in a pretty measured manner, right, he
said to He talked to New York Post and said,
I thought it was very nice that he did that.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Yeah, I didn't fight like that.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, he didn't say whether he was willing to let
bygones be bygones with Tesla and SpaceX and Muskin general.
But you know, like Trump is so such an interesting
character because sometimes you want to say like, oh yeah,
like this guy's burned forever.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
There's no way you.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Can come back from this with Trump. That's not It's
not often or even often how Trump operates like you
come and say the right thing, right, and he's gonna
be like okay, right.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
I can think of a lot of examples of that,
including his vice president. J. D. Vance said some terrible
things about Donald Trump. Marco Rubio said some terrible things.
He's golfed with Ron DeSantis.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
I mean there he makes.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Up, he kisses and make up.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
But this one, I thought maybe not just because they
were really close, and I you know, it remains to
be seen. Maybe Trump really has mellowed and he can forgive.
But it seemed like they were like friends, not just
It seems.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Like an affectionate relationship.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Trump was hanging out with his son, like with Elon's son,
more than he was hanging out like with his own kids.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I hope that those two crazy kids find a way
to make it work.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
It was it was nice, nice when they were friends.
It was well, thanks for joining us on normal normally.
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Hey, guys, we are back on the show when Normal,
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
I am Mary Tavin here.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
And I'm Carol Marco. I'm Mary Catherine. How are you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm doing all right. There's no rioting by my house,
so we're good.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Not from yet.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
It spreads, It does spread.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
The protests do continue in Los Angeles, and despite the
fact that we are frequently told on the ex platform
that they are contained and we're being hysterical, Mayor of
Los Angeles did impose a curfew last night, which is
odd for protests that are not spreading and are super contained,
and they are spreading to other places like Chicago, New
(00:44):
York City.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
They tried it in Tampa.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
One of my Twitter buddies, West Tennessee Barbecue described it
as tens and tens of people. Yeah, and there were
a lot of counter protesters and it was all quite hilarious.
But they are calling for a day of action this Saturday,
so it remains to be seen whether these protests really
will spread to other cities and cause fires and damage
(01:10):
there as well.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
And I think, look, I'm fine with you guys being
wary of the federal government's exertion of power.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Welcome to the party on that. And protests are how
you address that? That's fine?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Protest away, yeah, pro just away.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Do not set things on fire, easy call, Do not
block traffic, do.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Not loot, do not loot.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Oh, by the way, did you see that the I
saw a clip where some Apple iPhones that have been
looted in LA started blaring alarms and saying return me
to the such and such store or it's amazing, like
the AI gotcha, and the AI was like, we're going
to contact the authorities on behalf of this stolen iPhone.
And I was like, I was like, the iPhones have
(01:56):
risen up in defense of the waymos, which.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Self driving cars. Amazing. Yeah, so just like, don't do
those things.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Don't do those things.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Already in New York City where protests have begun, you
have folks blocking traffic. And you know what that means, Carol,
is that normis can't do normal things because there are
people who just need to run errands, and there are
people who need to pick up their kids from daycare,
(02:30):
people who need to go to work. And you and
I both saw this fantastic clip illustrating the dynamic between
normal city dwellers and lefty protesters where a woman is
trying to go to work, and this is the interaction
she has with two lily white.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Protesters important there who are.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
No doubt well educated and for some reason able to
take off a Tuesday to protest in the streets and
block her way.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And here's the interaction that they.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Have about, I just knock again, you're not going?
Speaker 7 (03:21):
How is it the people protest?
Speaker 5 (03:26):
How I'm stopping a black woman from going to work?
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Oh no, not work?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
So you don't care about stopping black people from going
to work?
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Look at this, I'm not pausing the facial expressions.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Kind of make that video so if you can look
it up and go see her. But when he starts
making fun of the idea of her going to work,
her face is like if she was ever sympathetic to
any part of this, she no longer is.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Oh no, not work.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Has never been uttered by someone who doesn't have resources like.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
This guy is fine.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yes, this tonytailed lib is gonna be fine. He's gonna
have plenty of food today and all the things he
needs furnished for him. She would like to furnish those
things for her children. And this is what she gets
and she I love the part where she's like like
help me, help my yess and they're like they're like, no,
you're American, can't care about you.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Today is not about your kid.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
It is such a clear illustration of so many things
that drive this and I know there are sincere people
out there, but telling that poor woman that this is peace,
thus blocking a roadway is peace, that this is good
people things.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
We're doing good people things.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Stop yelling at us, lady who wants to feed your
children and her saying you could help me by just moving.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
That's it. It's very simple. You don't have to set
anything on fire. Just let me drive.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Yeah, has her.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Not being able to drive help them? Like, how in
the world is it at all helping any clause that
they want to support at all? I just it never
made any sense to me, like, let me inconvenience a
bunch of people who might even be on our side,
and that will make them be on our side, because
it won't. It definitely will not.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Doctor Drew talked about the song Guy Benson Show recently,
talking about the sort of the mental health mental health
issues that liberals self identify with at far higher levels
than Republicans, and he was talking about that and he
said a lot of this and sort of left activism
is an exercise in just having emotions loudly and putting
(05:46):
them on other people, right, And so a lot of
this is because if you ask them to explain how
it's going to help, they don't know. They're just like,
we're making noise, We're doing the thing. We want you
to feel the pain that we want you to feel,
and that's the end of the plan. And I think
the same is true of their leaders, where Newsom and
(06:07):
Bass are just having sort of emotional outbursts saying like
come at me, tough guy, and it's like arrest me,
why don't you? Why are you tough guy? The criminals
that would be that would be the thing to do.
And in these cities, I just am so fed up.
And look, it's why I don't live in a major city,
but I am so fed up on behalf of people
(06:28):
who live there with the idea that just simple things
like law enforcement being allowed to say no, you can't
block the road, is that's somehow fascist?
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, So you know, the last episode, we talked about
how people were minimizing all of this and The La
Times had an article titled all of LA is not
a war zone. Okay, I was writing a market and
I did mock it a little bit because, okay, not
all of LA is a war zone. Even if only
part of one of our major cities is a war zone,
(07:00):
I find that problematic.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Well, this is the this is the jd Vance line
from the debate.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I feel like one hotel taken over by.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Would be yeah, more than enough for us to be
out about.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Yeah, exactly so.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
But the La Times had that headline and they said
we separate facts from spin and disinformation abid amid immigration raids.
And I guess the La Times is actually working on
being a real newspaper. So the article did actually clear
up some disinformation, which I found, you know, unusual.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
There were stories, it was.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
It was really wild because because I immediately made fun
of the headline and then I read the article and
I was like, this article is not bad, this is
pretty good.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
They clickbaited and then did some journalism under it.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yeah, oh they really got me.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
So there were stories circulating n LA that ice had
raided a school, and lots of people spread it of
course on X you know, like they're ripping these kids
out of their middle school graduations.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
The LA Time article says this did not happen.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
There was another story about ice rating a hotel and
taking out workers that didn't happen either. They allude to
the home depot story, but that's the only one they
were kind of weak on.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
They didn't specifically say it didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
But there's been a lot of reports that the home
depot raid that also was rumored to have happened, yeah, also.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Did not happen.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
So I don't know how many people are listening to
this that are inflamed by stories that they're hearing. I
think probably our audience is a little bit more savvy
than that.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I think that they would not automatically believe sensational stories.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
But if you do, if you've heard.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Stories, like, give it a minute. I take this approach
to anything, really, to any major story breaking, give it
a second, see what develops.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, and like all of these things, you know, I
do think that there are ways that the federal government
can certainly overstep in doing its duty, which the cities
are preventing it from doing. I worry about marines because
what are the rules of engagement here?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
That is a step beyond National Guard.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
National Guard I'm pretty comfortable with because I don't I
didn't love twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I didn't love Summer of twenty twenty. Guys.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Some of the summer riots not for me.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Really, I'm done with that. And so I'm okay with,
you know, enforcing the laws. And many Americans are, and
as CNN found out, a lot of those Americans are
in the immigrant community. I love when Harry Enson, who
is the numbers guy at CNN, the poll like, look
deep at the polling guy when he comes out. He
does about a weekly segment where like Kate Baldwin, the
(09:38):
anchor has to be like.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Oh right, really, and he's just like, he's.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Just like breaking brains with this seemingly counterintuitive information.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Let's hear him do so.
Speaker 8 (09:48):
Start off on the fact that immigrant citizens, immigrant voters
forigm bow and voters have gone tremendously to the right
on this issue in twenty twenty four and twenty twenty
five versus where they were on twenty twenty. Closest to
trust more in immigration, you go back to twenty twenty,
Democrats Get This held a thirty two point lead on
this issue. Immigrant voters were in the Democratic camp. Jump
(10:08):
forward to twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Look at that.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
Shift, a forty point shift to the right among immigrant voters.
Republicans now lead on this issue by eight points over Democrats,
more so than any other group that I could find.
The group of voters who became more hawkish on immigration
were in fact immigrants themselves, immigrants who are registered to
vote in this country.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
So that's on that issue. How about how they feel
about kind of traditionally historically about Donald Trump.
Speaker 8 (10:38):
Yeah, so you know, you see this shift, and you go,
what is going on underneath the hood? Well, take a
look donald Trump. You remember when he first ran back
in twenty sixteen, immigrant voters are one of his weakest bots.
But look at this. Trump's vote share in presidential elections
among again immigrant citizens, those who are registered to vote.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Look at this.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Twenty sixteen, you got.
Speaker 8 (10:53):
Thirty six percent of the vote. You go to twenty twenty,
thirty nine percent of the vote. Look at this in
twenty twenty four, all the way up to fight forty
seven percent of the vote. Some polls I looked at
had him barely losing that vote. Some poles I looked
at had him barely winning that vote. Again, there is
no block of voters that shifted more to the right
from twenty twenty to twenty twenty four than immigrant voters,
(11:15):
and Donald Trump, at least in some surveys, actually won
that vote. On average, it's about equal.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
So there may be all this.
Speaker 8 (11:22):
Stuff right about undocumented immigrants and Trump being harsh on them,
but immigrant voters themselves have increasingly liked Donald Trump and
have increasingly moved to the right on immigration.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
All right, thank you, Harry, You you can wrap that up.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I do enjoy that each of these segments, there's always
an attempt to be like.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Well, surely there's bad news.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Trump, and he keeps going through the numbers, and it
fact is that the news isn't bad and it's not.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah. Look, we don't.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Always say that whatever's popular is right. But in this case,
what happened is a bunch of communities have a assimilated, immigrated,
and then related and then watched Biden let untold numbers
right come across the border without vetting, without a system,
ignoring our laws, and they got fed up.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That's what happened.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Like you just you hit a tipping point where this
wasn't cool with people anymore. And the Mexican immigrants and
Latin American immigrants from two generations ago now look around
and go like whoaa, whoa right, what's happening here with
the wave in the Mexican flag and setting cup cars
on fire.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
That's not totally that's not us, right. I look, I'm
an immigrant. I feel this very strongly. I was always pretty,
you know, hardcore on illegal immigration, but I've certainly become
even more hardcore. I think that I don't know, I
think even just maybe a decade ago, I don't know
that I would have been like, oh, we should just
be rounding people up.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
But it's gotten so bad that this is where we
are now.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
And I also I find it very offensive when they
intertwine illegal and legal immigration as if it's one thing.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
We're just not one thing. And I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
You know, I told a story on X but my
mother's sister lived in Russia until her death.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
She was not allowed to come visit.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
She was not granted a tourist visa to come visit,
because the assumption always was that she would probably stay
because why why not you have a family, et cetera.
And she was already older, so she wouldn't be able
to work and she'd be a drain on the system.
We don't really know why, but this was the assumption.
We followed all those rules, and my mom would like
watch on TV the people streaming across the border.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
And she'd say, my sister can't come visit me for
two weeks. And we followed those rules, and we followed
the law.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
And it's galling when other people don't and they get
away with it. And this is why I legal immigrants. Also,
the whole come here, will give you a hotel room
and a check and all the different things, like we
had to promise somebody would take care of us.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
There was no come let us take care of you.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
It just doesn't exist, didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I just think you run into real The Trump administration
can run into problems by overstepping right overplaying their hand.
And I think he's spoiling for that fight he wants
to do over twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
He's happy to do that.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
But I think you run into real problems with normies
when it is so obvious that you value those who
have broken those sas who have violated the system over
those who haven't.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And in fact, what you do is you soak the
ones who follow the rules to serve the.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Ones who do not, And that is what happens in
all of these cities, and it's so depressing and so
demoralizing as an actual citizen who's trying.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
To do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
By the way, if anybody's worried about us living in
a fascist state, I do want to let you know
that the tweeting menswear guy, oh yeah, who I actually
started following back when he got promoted or whatever reason.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Yeah, I ended up following.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I enjoyed the takes. I was into it.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
He has a very specialized kind of knowledge. It's interesting,
and he's gotten very big. And then he had to
signal how lefty he was, so he just started like
trashing right landing figures.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Outfits and like whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I'm not a snowflake about it, but it's very obvious
that he's only picking right laning people. And then he
just decided during this week to say, oh, by the way,
I'm an illegal immigrant. And he was brought here by
his family when he was very young. He did not
really have a choice in this matter. Something that is
like more sympathetic certainly than other stories, sure, but like
(15:37):
the menswear guy is just going to tweet that he's
here illegally and pretend we live in a fascist state. Yeah,
but tweeting that he's here illegally just makes him probably
more famous and more money on X.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And you know the Vice PRIs.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
No, and like, look, if he gets deported, you straight
up told everyone on the platform where the actual Homeland
Security and Vice President hang out a lot, that you're
here illegally. So like, that's well within what could happen
to you. You have assumed their risk here. But I
do think it's.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Kind of interesting that he's just still joking about stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
He's trolling on the X about this very pertinent fact
in our fascist state.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Right, and if he does get kicked out, he has
no one to blame but himself will be right back
on normally, speaking of crazy places that are doing crazy things,
New York City is going to have an election in
just a few days. They're going to have a primary election,
(16:42):
and traditionally, whoever wins the New York City mayoral Democratic
primary goes on to win the election.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
This is the one party rule situation, right.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
It may be a little bit different this time because
the current mayor Eric Adams is running as an independent,
so I'm not really sure how that's going to play
into this. I mean, I've said openly if I were
still living in New York, I would be holding on
to Eric Adams with both hands.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
He you know, it's like which is which is such
a testament to the others.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
It's like vote for the criminal. It's important, truly.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
But in.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
The top two.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Slots of the Democratic primary right now are former Governor
Andrew Cuomo and Zorn Mamandi, who is a Democratic Socialist
and is running to the left of that. I would
say he's running as a full on communist and he
may win.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah, I mean, look, it's scary when the clearly best
options for normal people are Eric Adams and Andrew Cuomo.
And look, I don't want that guy to have a comeback.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
No, I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
But what.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I'm dammy is like right out here saying I'm going
to freeze rents. He has no authority to do so,
it would it would ruin so many things. It was
just like a middle schooler being like, I'll give you
free treats from the vending machines, Like, no, you won't.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Right, He wants free buses, government run grocery stores, and
freezing the rent. I mean again, full on communist government
run grocery stores, Like I don't even think AOC would
be for that.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
No, no, it's far out.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Somebody jokes that I think it was.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Ben Dreyfus pointed out that I'm sure they had decided
that AOC should endorse him, and when would she endorse him?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
And you got to make the most impact possible. And
it happened on the day that Elon and it was amazing.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
It really was, because it was like so like, will
she won't she? Will? She won't she?
Speaker 4 (18:44):
And she finally did it, and it's like did not
make the news at all?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
No, yeah, zero.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
So a lot of people hear his ideas and say
that's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Obviously someone like that can't win.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
But as I always like to say, it's very important
to remember that I will give you free stuff remains
a popular campaign tactic.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
And I'm worried.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I don't know, some polls I've seen have him winning Brooklyn.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
It's definitely a concern.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I hope Andrew Cuomo pulls it out in the Democratic primary.
The problem is that Cuomo is still super unlikable. And
you may remember that from twenty twenty and our friend
Justin Robert Young of the amazing political show Politics, Politics, Politics,
he points out on X that Mamandi is running a
(19:34):
very good campaign tactically, and Cuomo is acting like everyone
in New York City should be honored. He'd slum it
by running for mayor. So so yeah, that's how that's going.
Like Como wasn't showing up to mayoral forums. He was
really just acting as if like here I am, you
guys are so lucky to have me.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Yep, that might not work.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
It might not work.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
It might not.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
And Zoron for his part, and I must say this
about every single one of the them that pops up Pep, Pete,
boudhajeedge aoc him. If they can talk, they're a danger.
And this guy can talk. His ads are very good,
they're creative. He is an interesting speaker, and so that's
always a challenge because he comes.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Off much more likable than quote like low bar.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
But it is amazing to me that both LA and
New York right now in very different ways.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
New York electorally LA.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
In the streets, the lefty leaders are doing the things
that the American people that the normies, even in their towns,
left leaning towns.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Have told them they hate. They don't want chaos.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
They don't want chaos on behalf of illegal immigrants and criminals,
convicted criminals.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
By the way, many of these people that are being
picked up.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
They don't like the far far left inability to govern
and deliver on services they do not want. That's why
the ezra klines of the intellectual lefty world to trying
to drag them back to the idea that they should
serve voters with an idea services, right, and they're just
like tripling down on all of it.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I don't know how they don't know. I don't think
they know how to pivot at this point.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Right, I kind of want to go back in time
and tell Carol and Mary Catherine of twenty twenty that
we'd be rooting for Andrew Pommo to.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Win, to win anything.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Really, I'm so not a fan of Andrew CMO. This
is again why I would prefer Adams if I were
New Yorker.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Just so imprincible. I don't even care how bad Adams is.
I'm like, I know, not this at all.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Exactly, And during the pandemic.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Clomo so openly hated New York City, and he was
just always so anti the city.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
But there's this whole subtext of.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
The mayor election where they get asked their bagel orders.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Yes, this is great, tell me your bagel order.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I mean, look, I'm not a connoisseur, so I think, like,
I'm not the one to ask, So we're going to
go to you second after I get my trash order out.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
But I would just say I bagel orders bow Jangles.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
No, my my favorite.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
My preference would be a fresh, warm everything bagel with plane,
cream cheese, right and possibly Lucks.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Okay, yeah, my order is everything, bagel, cream, cheese, tomato.
It's not crazy, it's not you know, anything fancy. The
thing is, when you're hearing the bagel orders in New York,
what New Yorkers are looking for is whether or not
you say toasted. If you say toasted, you're not from here.
So this is still still a New Yorker somewhere at heart.
(22:42):
But yeah, you're it's it's the if you're toasting, then
you're not going to a bagel shop that makes it fresh,
And then what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (22:48):
You may as well have a supermarket based.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
So this was new information to me because I have
never lived in a place with great bagels like New
York I did. We had a Burger's bagel, which is
a chain, and I'm sure you workers would look down
upon it.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
However, they did have fresh bagels, which is why.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
That's all that matters.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I want the hot one, right right, but I will,
you know, toast one when I don't have that option.
But I believe let's see, it was Zorn's was toasted,
correct that where he went?
Speaker 5 (23:21):
I don't know. I had the brad Lander.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Our friend Eli Klein on X pointed out that brad
Lander gave his bagel order as everything bagel, scallion cream, cheese,
sliced tomato, and locks and again, it doesn't matter what
you put on it, capers and blah blah blah, it
doesn't matter. But brad Lander then retweeted like somebody praising
his order and added lightly toasted.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
It's like he has no principles.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
This man stands for nothing.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Come on, right, it's it's it's just it's unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Okay, So yes, okay, let me let me just call
him out. Yeah, the socialist is for toasted, Okay, the order.
As someone who grew up morning side heights, I have
to go back to absolute bagels, poppy seed bagel, scallion
cream cheese, some pulp tropic canna on the side, And
this is going to lose me some votes.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
But to be honest with you, toasted.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, unacceptable, just really really not acceptable. So Ben points
out that bagel shops bake their own bagels fresh, no
reason to toast a bagel, And then he says, no
one is saying you shouldn't toast your piece of shit,
loser bagel that you bought from the supermarket and brought
back to your rat infested trailer.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
I actually showed that to my daughter to.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Be like, you know, toasting bagels is unacceptable, yes, behavior okay.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
He also made.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Fun of Zoran because he had the tropic canna on
the side. He was like, toasted poppy seed bagel with
a tropic canna on the side. Is he running to
be the mayor of Cincinnati Airport? Which it's pretty good, pretty.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Good, It's funny.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Do you remember notoriously Cynthia Nixon, the Sex and the
City actress. She had some weird She was a gubernatorial
candidate and her bagel order was this is horrific.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
A cinnamon raisin bagel. Yeah, with locks and cabage.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
How ow.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Like I'm for a sweet and savory in some capacities,
but not in that one.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
No, No, that's super gross.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
That's anyway, best of luck to everyone. Yeah, I do
not understand if you can get one fresh and hot
right in New York?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Why are you? That doesn't make any sense. Why would
you coast?
Speaker 4 (25:28):
It makes no sense. That's absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
You're not for my land of trash bagels? Like, do
it right.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
We're going to take a short break and come right
back with normally.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
People have been having a good twenty four hours of
being nice and apologizing. Should we wrap up with something pleasure?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, let's do some some apologies. The apology tour, the
apology to very famous people.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
It turns out that both Simone Biles and Elon Musk
have had a bit of a change of heart.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, Simone Biles, her apology was very.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Scripted, conluted.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yes, I did not believe her, Like her post at
Riley was on a Saturday night, and you know, I guess.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
A lot I and a lot of other people assumed
she had had a.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
Couple of drinks aggressive, yes, yes, but this her apology
was just like the current system doesn't adequately balance these
important principles of you know, competitive equity and inclusivity, which often.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Leads to frustration and heated exchanges. And it didn't help
for me to get personal with Riley, which I apologize
for it.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Just like just say, you're sorry, what is this? What
is this like the way that.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
I spoke, you know, it just it made no sense
to me.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
And also it seems like forty eight hours after the thing.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
It was like in not probably not that quite that much,
but it was the delay was large given how famous
she is and how quickly the news cycle moves. Nor
you want to do a clean up like this pretty
quickly afterwards, so that would have probably helped.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
But I think.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Kiley is so just what a great person accepted the
apology said, you know, Simon is still the greatest gymnast
ever and accepts it.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I don't accept it.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
I just I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I found the apology to be bake And I like,
if Simone Biles is promoting something I'm not in that.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
She she lost me.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, I'm out on it too, Like she's she's without
dispute the goat when it comes to stymnastics. No one
can take that away from her. I'm not going to
be particularly wooed anymore by any of her pitches.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Yeah, yeah, that's it for that.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Elon Musk, However, his his his apology tweet was around
three in the morning, who.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
By the way, definitely does not have crisis pr That
guy no no.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Is helping him craft any of this, He tweets, I
regret some of my posts about President Donald Trump last week.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
They went too far.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Again, it's not an effusive apology, but I believe him.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Again at three in the.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Morning apology that's not four hundred words, I feel like
he really means it.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Will they be bros?
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Again?
Speaker 4 (28:22):
I'm not so sure.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
Well.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
For his part, Trump responded and as he has done
throughout this pretty in a pretty measured manner, right, he
said to He talked to New York Post and said,
I thought it was very nice that he did that.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Yeah, I didn't fight like that.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, he didn't say whether he was willing to let
bygones be bygones with Tesla and SpaceX and Muskin general.
But you know, like Trump is so such an interesting
character because sometimes you want to say like, oh yeah,
like this guy's burned forever.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
There's no way you.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Can come back from this with Trump. That's not It's
not often or even often how Trump operates like you
come and say the right thing, right, and he's gonna
be like okay, right.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
I can think of a lot of examples of that,
including his vice president. J. D. Vance said some terrible
things about Donald Trump. Marco Rubio said some terrible things.
He's golfed with Ron DeSantis.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
I mean there he makes.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Up, he kisses and make up.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
But this one, I thought maybe not just because they
were really close, and I you know, it remains to
be seen. Maybe Trump really has mellowed and he can forgive.
But it seemed like they were like friends, not just
It seems.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Like an affectionate relationship.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Trump was hanging out with his son, like with Elon's son,
more than he was hanging out like with his own kids.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I hope that those two crazy kids find a way
to make it work.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
It was it was nice, nice when they were friends.
It was well, thanks for joining us on normal normally.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
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Speaker 4 (30:02):
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Speaker 3 (30:05):
Get in touch with us at normallythepod at gmail dot com.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
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