October 23, 2025 • 28 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz break down the latest political buzz — from a Senate candidate’s viral tattoo controversy to the heated New York City mayoral race. They examine Andrew Cuomo’s uphill battle for a political comeback, the Left's view of the government shutdown, and they explore how today’s fast-paced political and media world challenges the idea of true work-life balance. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey guys, we were back on normally. The show with
normal is it takes for when the news gets weird. I'm
Mary Catherine hamp and.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm Carol Markowitz. How's it going, Mary Catherine?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
It's going good. I had travel day to day, so
I've been up for a while trying to get used
to West Coast time.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah, always tough.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I had a very intense playoff game today. It was
among nine year olds playing flag football. I love living
somewhere that takes sports so seriously. Like I had moms
who don't have any kids playing in this texting me
like what's the score? Like tell us they're nine. I mean, look,
I my heart was beating out of my chest. I
(00:43):
was sweaty, like it was really something. But I would
only care if my kids in it, Like.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh yeah, see, I know if you had me out there,
I would definitely care. You were just carrying.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
But they weren't out there.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
They were home, like, hey, who's winning?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Like it's just you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I always kind of enjoyed the places that take youth
sports very seriously, and now I live in one of those,
and that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well, I'm excited for the not Today's result, by the arrest,
is a tournament.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, he plays another game, another playoff game tomorrow on
the road to the nine year old Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Alrighty okay, shall we let's do it?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Is there a Nazi tattoo on the chest of a
Democratic US Senate candidate out of Maine?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
There is? So, this is Graham Plattner, who is a
Democratic nominee in the primary fight to face Susan Collins,
who is the always stay winning Republican perennials from Maine.
(01:52):
Now is there a chance to knock her off in
an off year when people are ticked off at Trump
in a place that is not super Redy okay, Yeah,
so they got They got two folks running in Maine.
One is this guy who got in early, who's a
Graham Platner, who's a marine vet, working class guy, oyster man. Yes.
(02:15):
Whereas the other person that the establishment is backing is
Janet Mills, who is the governor of Maine. This is
an interesting matchup because the governor of Maine embodies all
the things Democrats messed up last time, which is like,
she's just like an establishment old person, and so people
(02:35):
are gonna get ticked off about that. But Platner's got
his own problems, which we're finding out about now.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
So he had some questionable Reddit posts making fun of
working class white people, which not great in Maine claims
to be. I'm always like, it's always the people who
are the whitest who are making like bad comments about
white people, and I'm always like, you are white, you
are white.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Stop it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So, and then this tattoo thing comes up, and the
story's been kind of floating around. People knew about that
this tattoo.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
For a while.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
He knew what it was for a very very long time.
There's evidence that he's been aware for a very long time.
And now he's like, oh, I'm gonna just I'm going
to cover it up. It's totally fine. I had this
Nazi tattoo for decades, but it's all good now.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Well, and his story is he got it on. Surely
even Croatia, he was drunk. They didn't really know what
it was. They just thought it looked cool. Even if
you believe his version of the story, they've.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Done many years of it.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
He had almost twenty years to cover it, twenty years.
The reason he covered it is because someone found out
about it. In his first run for office. That's that
doesn't I don't that doesn't pass.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
The stiff exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
And obviously the mainstream media is holding him accountable for this.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Right right, obviously, especially the pod Save America bros, who
I guess now are just a clearinghouse for excuses for
Nazi tattoos, because it's amazing it came there to drop
the news. He was like, where could I do a
sympathetic interview about my Nazi tattoo? And he came to them,
(04:26):
and then the rest of the media, of course, has
lots of nuanced thoughts.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, they are so nuanced.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
It's about a like it's by the way, it's not
even like on his tush, right right test, Yeah, like
where you're going to see it a lot, And yeah,
there's a lot of nuanced thinking going on out there.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I think you flagged one tweet in particular.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Crystal Ball, who is just the worst, said for me personally,
I'll take a candidate with a regrettable tattoo over one
who has steadfast lead supported a Jenna's side, and like
the readers add context note on it is like they
supported a genocide. The Nazi ss were responsible for running
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concentration camps today Neo Nazis used a symbol to glorify
that genocide.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
He reportedly bragged about the tattoo.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah. Do you want to take a guess whether Crystal
Ball thought that Elon was guilty of a Nazi gesture
when he raised his hand at the crowd. Oh, yes,
she did. She thought that he needed to be held
accountable for that. But ink ink, that is specifically a
death's head. That's gonna be fine. And then I noticed
(05:42):
one of the pods save guys also, uh was you know,
did a long nuanced tweet about you know, do we
only want perfect candis?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Hey, ma'am, Like, I actually agree with you that we
don't want to cancel everyone who had unfortunate posts when
they were in their twenties, right. I think that's fair.
I don't want teenage tweets to bury people for the
rest of their lives. You guys were the ones who
were firing people over Okay, symbols that they put out
of their window in traffic. Okay, that was your line, right,
(06:18):
that was me yea, that we need to be considered
of the redemption arc of a working class vet who
had a Nazi tattoo for twenty years before he covered it.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
And knew the whole time, and you know, did nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Sung Min kim At, a reporter for AP, had this tweet.
Maine Senate candidate Graham Platner tells AP he got a
new tattoo to cover one scene as a Nazi symbol
seen as yep, we would totally get that benefit of
the doubt if our tattoo was seen as a Nazi symbol.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
It's just it's I don't find it that hard to
be like these guys joking in the chat about the
ovens and the gas chambers. I don't want anything to
do with them. Yes, guy with the Nazi tattoo, he
should be out of the race. That guy with the
uh violence political violence encouraging texts about his opponent in
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the AG race in Virginia. Not him either. These are
just qualifying events.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
It's crazy, all right.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Onto the crazy little mayoral race in New York City.
Curtis Leiwa is the Republican candidate. He is running against
the Democratic candidates or Mom Donni and ex Governor Andrew
Cuomo is the independent candidate who is the kind of
the great hope to stop Mom Donnie Curtis Sliwa Republican
is real tough. It's a real tough road in New
(07:49):
York City, obviously, But so Curtis has a lot of
pressure on him to drop out, and he's saying, why
should I drop out? Andrew, I'm lost to Zora Jwani
in the primary? Why don't Why isn't he drop out?
Give me his can you know his voters? Why do
I have to drop out? It's getting real ugly. I'm
(08:12):
seeing some battles on X between you know, kind of
either moderate Democrats or Republicans, and there's a lot of
people kind of mixed in there just really hoping that
slee Wa drops. He has said that he's been offered
fifteen million dollars to drop out, and he won't. I
don't feel like the fifteen million thing is true. Personally,
(08:33):
it just doesn't seem worth it. I don't know, because
the truth is that I don't know if Sleewa dropping
gives Andrew Cuomo the edge to beat Mam Donnie. And
I definitely don't think, you know, if, I just don't
think either one of them dropping out makes that much
of a difference.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
So New York's in a really tough spot.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I was at the commentary magazine dinner last weekend in
New York, and I love commentary. I love New York
City despite all of its many, many problems. But all
the conversations I was having were very copy. They were like,
you know, yeah, ma'm Donnie's probably gonna win, but he's
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not going to be able to do all the stuff
that he wants to do, which, listen fair enough. I
feel like if I was in New York right now,
I would either be pressuring Slee or to drop out.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Or studying myself for.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
The reality that I'm going to have this communist Islamist
mayor and hope that he can't get his crazy proposals through.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I understand Sleeve's position because Andrew Clomo already lost to
this dude. He had a chance to beat him and
he didn't beat him. Cuomo has also run one of
the least impressive miamigs I have ever seen. I mean,
the oppo on Mom Donnie is like mana from heaven
and he can't get any of it out there at all.
(09:52):
They haven't done any work on that. He is unimpressive
on the debate stage. Whereas Clots was.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, he did great. Yeah, because it cares.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
He cares about Like Curtis can't win. He can't win,
and that's too bad. But he cares about new York.
You see it in him. He wants it. Curtis Leewa
wants to be New York's next mayor. Does Andrew Cuomo
want to be New York's next mayor? I don't see
him fighting to the death on these Twitter threads. I see,
you know, people who really want New York not to
(10:23):
head further down that bad path having these really you know,
scratching each other's eyes out arguments. Meanwhile, Andrew Cmo is
barely campaigning. I said this, you know many times on
the show. But during the primary he would skip voter
for hims like Curtis lee What would show up and
him I'm donne would show up and some of the
other candidates.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
And Andrew Cmo thought it was beneath him. And I
haven't seen a.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Change in that attitude. He is not out there in
New York like I want to be your mayor. This
is what I stand for.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Vote for me.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I don't see him doing any of that.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
No, he's entitled. He thinks he he thinks he should
get a redemption ARC and I, actually, you're not the arc,
not owed the arc. You have to go out and
work for it. And he's always been somewhat unimpressive. The
only time anyone liked him was that month or two,
the month about COVID every daying. It turns out he
was totally wrong, and a ton of people it's amazing. Yeah,
(11:18):
but this all, this all feels very too little, too late,
and it is reminiscent of the Democratic Party with Biden
and Harris, where they're like, oh, we waited too long
to do the thing exactly, run any good candidates. Now
what do we do?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
But and they don't have a plan at all.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Right, you know this is this account Queen's parents on X.
She her bio says she's a mom, she's a moderate.
She's said to me on X, you know, why don't
you have Cuomo on your show? And the truth is
that we would have Clomo on the show. He would
never come on. He would never come on. It would
(11:59):
be interesting because we could give him a fair shake,
but I we'd have some questions.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
We'd have we'd have some questions. And he also already
has demonstrated he's not interested in giving answers to those
questions exactly debate. He doesn't have a SoundBite to explain
the sexual harassments none, yep, yeah, And you know if
you haven't, he just doesn't think.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
He has to.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
It's so galling and it's why people turned against him
during the pandemic too, because in the beginning he seemed
like he was just figuring it out with the rest
of us, and then he got high on his own
supply and he was like, I know more than the
rest of you, and he knew less, he knew less.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
So also, can we just note the poster, remember, yes,
just gonna go there. If you haven't seen the poster.
If you don't remember the poster, google it, please look
up Andrew Cuomo's.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Self himself and sold it on his website.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And he's sold about New York getting over the mountain
of COVID and he's like leading the flock. It is
one of the wildest things that has happened in politics.
And the fact that he wasn't mocked more mercilessly is
media bias on its space.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Our friend Nancy, we have a show together. We just
you know, we just it's so you have to look
it up.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
By our listeners, please do yourselves a favor.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Look has been framed on her wall in her apartment
and it's awesome and everybody takes pictures in front of it.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
It's such a ridiculous thing.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Good all right, one more?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
One more Democrats are Banana's story. What's going on with
the shutdown?
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Well, the shut shutdown is online. Think it could be
updated by tomorrow. But the twelfth vote of Senate Democrats
against reopening the government. They need a handful of those
guys to cross over to beat the filibuster. They keep
filibustering it. Democrats keep saying like, you won't open the government,
but that's actually not true, Like, yeah, Republicans have been
(14:11):
the culprits in the past. And it's funny because you
keep hearing and I think we've said this, but you
keep hearing like this is such a chill shutdown. Yeah,
because the media is not interested in making them pay
the price that they would pay. But they're going to
make themselves pay the price because Democrats keep telling on themselves.
As this video shows. This is Catherine Clark, the House
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Democratic whip, so she's in leadership this is not some
rank and file backbencher. And this is what she's got
to say talking to Chad Program of Fox News about
the Democratic philosophy on the shutdown.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
I mean, the shutdowns are terrible, and of course there
will be, you know, families that are going to suffer.
We take that responsibility very seriously. But it is one
the few leverage times we have.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
People are going to suffer, but this is how we
get political leverage.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, it's it's not a good message, it's not a
good look. I do think they look. I think Republicans
are branded as the shutdowners.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
In this case.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, they had to overcome that, and I think Johnson
in particular has done pretty a pretty good job of
messaging very well about that. The facts are on the
Republican side this time, and these guys keep doing stuff
like this. Didn't Schumer say something like like every day
gets better for us?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
It wasn't the greatest thing ever. Yeah, that's not it.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
That's not it because there are people who suffer, and
those people, in fact, are likely to be left leaning
constituents of the Democratic Party. So talking about it in
this way, particularly if you're in leadership and you're responsible
for their messaging. It's not great.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah great, I am sure be held responsible by many.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Peter Johnson has placed a screen in front of his
office for when they all so the Senators have been
wandering over to his side of the Capitol to say, like,
you guys should open the guy Republicans, you go back
to your Senate chamber and do it. So he left
a big screen TV playing this clip for anyone who
shows up.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Nice. I love it.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
We're going to take a short break and come back
to hear how Trump is raising the White House.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
It just won't exist anymore. Be right back.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
We are back on normally where the Libs are.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Having a normal one about Trump putting in a ballroom
in the East wing of the White House.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, they're really flipping out. So Trump has plans to
make this giant ballroom. And the East wing of the
White House is not what you think of when you
think of se at all front of the White House
or the south lawn or where the West Wing is
or where the President goes. It's actually down a long
hallway in a slightly separated building, and they are removing
(17:12):
that to do a privately funded ballroom, which actually I
got to say, just on a practical level, Yeah, the
White House barely has an event space.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
How does the White House not have an event space?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I just I need them to bring the temperature down
and ask themselves, how is it possible that the White
House doesn't have an event space?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, like you can cram people into like some of
those rooms, but a true event space would be extremely
practical as an addition to the White House, and privately
funded makes me happier than publicly funded. But the freak
out is a, he's doing this while the government is
shut down and people are hurting, even though it had
(17:53):
been planned and it's privately funded. B it's privately funded,
so it's open for like or what have you. Yeah,
I think I think it's but like there's two different
complains about it. And then it's just like he's ruining
America because part of the White House will no longer exist.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah, he's ruining America because part of the White House
that maybe you didn't even know existed will no longer exist.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It's yeah, they're just how could they stay this crazy
for this long? About this man?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
I think it would bother me if he lived in
my head the way he lives in their heads, like
Hillary Clinton tweeting, it's not his house, it's your house.
It is our house. We elected him. He's allowed to
put in a ballroom.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah. It's also like all of this depends on just
erasing all of history before last year, right, right, Because
Coolidge did a giant renovation, Truman did a giant renovation.
Every single president does things to the White House, including
(19:01):
including ambitious things.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I believe several have gutted large parts of the White
House to make them more livable. The Obamas did a renovation.
It is one of the like best. It's one of
the open secrets of Washington and political culture in general,
that the White House is not nearly as fancy as
the White House's reputation need you to believe. Yeah, And
(19:28):
that the building is like kind of creaky and the
floor boards are covered in weird carpet in places, and
you could roll a ball across the room because it's
not level like it's that there's a lot of spots
that it's.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
An old building, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah, And the fact that they don't want him to
touch it because they don't consider him the president. They
don't think of him as a legitimate president, and they
don't think that he should be allowed to do things
to it. And that's just ridiculous and too bad for you.
Near A Tandon believes that the images of them destroying
the East wing of the White House could be a
game changer in the elections, and she links a poll
(20:05):
that you know doesn't look great for your home state
of Virginia. Spanberger is leading Earl Sears by like thirteen
points in this poll.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Jay Jones is leading by five point points. But then
I was just curious.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I mean, I look, it could go badly in Virginia.
It's an off year election. This is what happens to
the out party like this, This could all I mean,
I hope that it doesn't and I hope you know
all my fingers crossed for you guys.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
But I go to the survey.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I go to the page of this poll and it
says this survey was fielded from these dates among six
hundred and ninety four registered likely voters in Virginia.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Respondents were randomly chosen from a voter file provided by
I three sixty and texted a link that directed them
to complete an online survey hosted on the survey Monkey platform.
Let me tell you that is not not exactly. That
is not a poll I would put my trust in.
And again, it doesn't mean that things aren't bad for
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Republicans in Virginia, but the online survey that they have
to complete after you send them a link, I mean,
the person has to be really, really motivated. And you
know who's really really motivated people who hate Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
By the way, two recent developments in that race. Abigail Spamberger,
who's the Democratic governor candidate, was asked about j Jones
for ag running mates texts by none other than Katie Kirk,
who was like, these texts are encouraging political violence, like
what's the deal man like? And Spanberger's like, you know,
(21:37):
I'm just I'm just upset. I even have to talk
about it front as somebody's text.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
You, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I bet you are. You should talk to him about
that anyway. So that happened. And also apparently there's a
special prosecutor assigned to his speeding infraction that he didn't
do his community service for, so now they're investigating whether
he did his community So that guy wins.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
It's just boat blue no matter who. I just hope
he does you know?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
But I do think if I may entertain the neurotandem
notion for a moment, I do think there it's like
a little jarring to watch that facade come down, and
there is enough quick consumption of news with no context
because the media is not interested in giving you context
that like if you're fed all the time, Oh look
(22:27):
at this dastardly thing he's doing. People could go like,
oh gosh, oh, you know, Trump is always making high
rises and he's ruining things right when in fact he's
like just gonna make a really nice ballroom that has
a little too much gold, and later some Democrat will
come along and happily give it a little facelift and
host everybody there because they need it.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Life moves on.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
We'll be right back with more on Normally, where we
try to be normal and have normal conversations.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Be right back. We are back on Normally.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Where our third topic is actually a column from August
that for some reason is trending again and it's got
a lot of people talking. It's from the Wall Street
Journal and it's called work Life Balance will keep you
mediocre for financial freedom by age thirty, optimize ruthlessly during
your peak physical and cognitive years.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Now.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I don't know about financial freedom by thirty. I don't
think anybody should be promising you that in a subhead
of anything. But I do think that optimizing ruthlessly during
your peak physical and cognitive years is not a bad
idea and what I will suggest my own kids do.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, I agree. Look, there's a happy medium, right. There's
some of these videos I watch on Instagram that are like,
I'm an investment banker, and it's just like beautiful twenty
four year old woman who works from yeah I've seen
right to one. Yeah am, and I'm like, whoa, yeah,
(24:05):
let's do something else, but it's not for me, right,
But she also is making banks, so like maybe she's
just saving that for later, right. I do think there's
a happy medium between that and like I must be
able to do my twenty step skincare and my workout
every day. Yeah, all these like specific, very specific wes.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I finish at five o'clock.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
I there's a lot of videos like that also, And
I do I respect that the girls who are like,
I'm finished with work at five o'clock.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I do not take calls at five point thirty. That's great.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I just think to myself, AI is coming and it's
going to replace a lot of people. And the people
that are going to be replaced first are the ones
who are like watching the clock to go home. It's unfair,
and you know it's wrong. You're right, you should be
paid for every you know, hour that you work. Absolutely,
but there's a lot of jobs that are very strivy jobs,
(25:00):
those like you said, those were never for me. I've
never wanted to be, you know, a top boss somewhere
or something. I always wanted that work life balance. So
I completely understand. But if you are in these careers,
there is something to the fact that you work insane
hours in your twenties and then you coast a little
(25:20):
bit in your thirties, forties and beyond. It is definitely
the hours come down after a certain point, But those
those hours in your twenties. I know people at these
kinds of jobs and at these kinds of upper echelon
of these kinds of careers, and.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
They work their butts off in their twenties.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
And even I'm going to give like a counterintuitive take,
which is like, when you are hustling in your twenties,
there's joy in that. Yeah, that's what you're doing at
that moment of your life, right, And I did all
sorts of silly stuff because I came up in new
media when new media first existed. Yeah, I was figuring
out how to make videos. I was figuring out how
(26:00):
to throw things at the wall on YouTube, on Twitter
to see what would work. And my bosses were letting
me do it so because it was like this whole
new frontier and that's how I made my career. But
I pulled an all nighter every single Thursday night for
years because I was editing video, and editing video took
so long in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Oh my god, the kids don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
They did not know. I I have no idea. It
took so long. And I was doing a little weekly
YouTube show, and so I edited all night long on
Thursday night and then just get up and go to
work on Friday.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Mon.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
This is what you do.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
That's what you did.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I had created a product, and I created something that
worked for my career, and it was fun and silly
and also I worked real hard on it.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
The writer of this piece a Meal, bar I mean,
he's like, you know, started companies when he was in
his twenties and is that kind of person. But you know,
you don't have to be the tech bro and whatever.
What you're talking about is the same thing he's saying.
He has a great line. When you frontload success early,
(27:07):
you buy the luxury of choice for the rest of
your life. Because Mary Catherine right now is like stay
up all night and do editing of videos like and
you have that luxury of choice right because thank you
to the Mary Catherine of back then.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
She had worked real hard.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
She could handle those all nighters. Not no more, no
more friends. But yeah, there was joy in that, and
there was joy in being with work people after hours.
And you know, you live a little bit more of that,
the office life, where your more of your relationships are
in that place than at your house. And it was
good and it was fun.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, and the adrenaline keeps you running. Thanks for joining
us on normally normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you
can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Get in touch
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Speaker 2 (27:58):
Thanks for listening and things get weird eck Normally
Hey guys, we were back on normally. The show with
normal is it takes for when the news gets weird. I'm
Mary Catherine hamp and.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm Carol Markowitz. How's it going, Mary Catherine?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
It's going good. I had travel day to day, so
I've been up for a while trying to get used
to West Coast time.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah, always tough.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I had a very intense playoff game today. It was
among nine year olds playing flag football. I love living
somewhere that takes sports so seriously. Like I had moms
who don't have any kids playing in this texting me
like what's the score? Like tell us they're nine. I mean, look,
I my heart was beating out of my chest. I
(00:43):
was sweaty, like it was really something. But I would
only care if my kids in it, Like.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh yeah, see, I know if you had me out there,
I would definitely care. You were just carrying.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
But they weren't out there.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
They were home, like, hey, who's winning?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Like it's just you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I always kind of enjoyed the places that take youth
sports very seriously, and now I live in one of those,
and that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well, I'm excited for the not Today's result, by the arrest,
is a tournament.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, he plays another game, another playoff game tomorrow on
the road to the nine year old Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Alrighty okay, shall we let's do it?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Is there a Nazi tattoo on the chest of a
Democratic US Senate candidate out of Maine?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
There is? So, this is Graham Plattner, who is a
Democratic nominee in the primary fight to face Susan Collins,
who is the always stay winning Republican perennials from Maine.
(01:52):
Now is there a chance to knock her off in
an off year when people are ticked off at Trump
in a place that is not super Redy okay, Yeah,
so they got They got two folks running in Maine.
One is this guy who got in early, who's a
Graham Platner, who's a marine vet, working class guy, oyster man. Yes.
(02:15):
Whereas the other person that the establishment is backing is
Janet Mills, who is the governor of Maine. This is
an interesting matchup because the governor of Maine embodies all
the things Democrats messed up last time, which is like,
she's just like an establishment old person, and so people
(02:35):
are gonna get ticked off about that. But Platner's got
his own problems, which we're finding out about now.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
So he had some questionable Reddit posts making fun of
working class white people, which not great in Maine claims
to be. I'm always like, it's always the people who
are the whitest who are making like bad comments about
white people, and I'm always like, you are white, you
are white.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Stop it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So, and then this tattoo thing comes up, and the
story's been kind of floating around. People knew about that
this tattoo.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
For a while.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
He knew what it was for a very very long time.
There's evidence that he's been aware for a very long time.
And now he's like, oh, I'm gonna just I'm going
to cover it up. It's totally fine. I had this
Nazi tattoo for decades, but it's all good now.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Well, and his story is he got it on. Surely
even Croatia, he was drunk. They didn't really know what
it was. They just thought it looked cool. Even if
you believe his version of the story, they've.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Done many years of it.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
He had almost twenty years to cover it, twenty years.
The reason he covered it is because someone found out
about it. In his first run for office. That's that
doesn't I don't that doesn't pass.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
The stiff exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
And obviously the mainstream media is holding him accountable for this.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Right right, obviously, especially the pod Save America bros, who
I guess now are just a clearinghouse for excuses for
Nazi tattoos, because it's amazing it came there to drop
the news. He was like, where could I do a
sympathetic interview about my Nazi tattoo? And he came to them,
(04:26):
and then the rest of the media, of course, has
lots of nuanced thoughts.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, they are so nuanced.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
It's about a like it's by the way, it's not
even like on his tush, right right test, Yeah, like
where you're going to see it a lot, And yeah,
there's a lot of nuanced thinking going on out there.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I think you flagged one tweet in particular.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Crystal Ball, who is just the worst, said for me personally,
I'll take a candidate with a regrettable tattoo over one
who has steadfast lead supported a Jenna's side, and like
the readers add context note on it is like they
supported a genocide. The Nazi ss were responsible for running
(05:11):
concentration camps today Neo Nazis used a symbol to glorify
that genocide.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
He reportedly bragged about the tattoo.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah. Do you want to take a guess whether Crystal
Ball thought that Elon was guilty of a Nazi gesture
when he raised his hand at the crowd. Oh, yes,
she did. She thought that he needed to be held
accountable for that. But ink ink, that is specifically a
death's head. That's gonna be fine. And then I noticed
(05:42):
one of the pods save guys also, uh was you know,
did a long nuanced tweet about you know, do we
only want perfect candis?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Hey, ma'am, Like, I actually agree with you that we
don't want to cancel everyone who had unfortunate posts when
they were in their twenties, right. I think that's fair.
I don't want teenage tweets to bury people for the
rest of their lives. You guys were the ones who
were firing people over Okay, symbols that they put out
of their window in traffic. Okay, that was your line, right,
(06:18):
that was me yea, that we need to be considered
of the redemption arc of a working class vet who
had a Nazi tattoo for twenty years before he covered it.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
And knew the whole time, and you know, did nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Sung Min kim At, a reporter for AP, had this tweet.
Maine Senate candidate Graham Platner tells AP he got a
new tattoo to cover one scene as a Nazi symbol
seen as yep, we would totally get that benefit of
the doubt if our tattoo was seen as a Nazi symbol.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
It's just it's I don't find it that hard to
be like these guys joking in the chat about the
ovens and the gas chambers. I don't want anything to
do with them. Yes, guy with the Nazi tattoo, he
should be out of the race. That guy with the
uh violence political violence encouraging texts about his opponent in
(07:20):
the AG race in Virginia. Not him either. These are
just qualifying events.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
It's crazy, all right.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Onto the crazy little mayoral race in New York City.
Curtis Leiwa is the Republican candidate. He is running against
the Democratic candidates or Mom Donni and ex Governor Andrew
Cuomo is the independent candidate who is the kind of
the great hope to stop Mom Donnie Curtis Sliwa Republican
is real tough. It's a real tough road in New
(07:49):
York City, obviously, But so Curtis has a lot of
pressure on him to drop out, and he's saying, why
should I drop out? Andrew, I'm lost to Zora Jwani
in the primary? Why don't Why isn't he drop out?
Give me his can you know his voters? Why do
I have to drop out? It's getting real ugly. I'm
(08:12):
seeing some battles on X between you know, kind of
either moderate Democrats or Republicans, and there's a lot of
people kind of mixed in there just really hoping that
slee Wa drops. He has said that he's been offered
fifteen million dollars to drop out, and he won't. I
don't feel like the fifteen million thing is true. Personally,
(08:33):
it just doesn't seem worth it. I don't know, because
the truth is that I don't know if Sleewa dropping
gives Andrew Cuomo the edge to beat Mam Donnie. And
I definitely don't think, you know, if, I just don't
think either one of them dropping out makes that much
of a difference.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
So New York's in a really tough spot.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I was at the commentary magazine dinner last weekend in
New York, and I love commentary. I love New York
City despite all of its many, many problems. But all
the conversations I was having were very copy. They were like,
you know, yeah, ma'm Donnie's probably gonna win, but he's
(09:12):
not going to be able to do all the stuff
that he wants to do, which, listen fair enough. I
feel like if I was in New York right now,
I would either be pressuring Slee or to drop out.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Or studying myself for.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
The reality that I'm going to have this communist Islamist
mayor and hope that he can't get his crazy proposals through.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I understand Sleeve's position because Andrew Clomo already lost to
this dude. He had a chance to beat him and
he didn't beat him. Cuomo has also run one of
the least impressive miamigs I have ever seen. I mean,
the oppo on Mom Donnie is like mana from heaven
and he can't get any of it out there at all.
(09:52):
They haven't done any work on that. He is unimpressive
on the debate stage. Whereas Clots was.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, he did great. Yeah, because it cares.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
He cares about Like Curtis can't win. He can't win,
and that's too bad. But he cares about new York.
You see it in him. He wants it. Curtis Leewa
wants to be New York's next mayor. Does Andrew Cuomo
want to be New York's next mayor? I don't see
him fighting to the death on these Twitter threads. I see,
you know, people who really want New York not to
(10:23):
head further down that bad path having these really you know,
scratching each other's eyes out arguments. Meanwhile, Andrew Cmo is
barely campaigning. I said this, you know many times on
the show. But during the primary he would skip voter
for hims like Curtis lee What would show up and
him I'm donne would show up and some of the
other candidates.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
And Andrew Cmo thought it was beneath him. And I
haven't seen a.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Change in that attitude. He is not out there in
New York like I want to be your mayor. This
is what I stand for.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Vote for me.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I don't see him doing any of that.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
No, he's entitled. He thinks he he thinks he should
get a redemption ARC and I, actually, you're not the arc,
not owed the arc. You have to go out and
work for it. And he's always been somewhat unimpressive. The
only time anyone liked him was that month or two,
the month about COVID every daying. It turns out he
was totally wrong, and a ton of people it's amazing. Yeah,
(11:18):
but this all, this all feels very too little, too late,
and it is reminiscent of the Democratic Party with Biden
and Harris, where they're like, oh, we waited too long
to do the thing exactly, run any good candidates. Now
what do we do?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
But and they don't have a plan at all.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Right, you know this is this account Queen's parents on X.
She her bio says she's a mom, she's a moderate.
She's said to me on X, you know, why don't
you have Cuomo on your show? And the truth is
that we would have Clomo on the show. He would
never come on. He would never come on. It would
(11:59):
be interesting because we could give him a fair shake,
but I we'd have some questions.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
We'd have we'd have some questions. And he also already
has demonstrated he's not interested in giving answers to those
questions exactly debate. He doesn't have a SoundBite to explain
the sexual harassments none, yep, yeah, And you know if
you haven't, he just doesn't think.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
He has to.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
It's so galling and it's why people turned against him
during the pandemic too, because in the beginning he seemed
like he was just figuring it out with the rest
of us, and then he got high on his own
supply and he was like, I know more than the
rest of you, and he knew less, he knew less.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
So also, can we just note the poster, remember, yes,
just gonna go there. If you haven't seen the poster.
If you don't remember the poster, google it, please look
up Andrew Cuomo's.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Self himself and sold it on his website.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And he's sold about New York getting over the mountain
of COVID and he's like leading the flock. It is
one of the wildest things that has happened in politics.
And the fact that he wasn't mocked more mercilessly is
media bias on its space.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Our friend Nancy, we have a show together. We just
you know, we just it's so you have to look
it up.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
By our listeners, please do yourselves a favor.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Look has been framed on her wall in her apartment
and it's awesome and everybody takes pictures in front of it.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
It's such a ridiculous thing.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Good all right, one more?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
One more Democrats are Banana's story. What's going on with
the shutdown?
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Well, the shut shutdown is online. Think it could be
updated by tomorrow. But the twelfth vote of Senate Democrats
against reopening the government. They need a handful of those
guys to cross over to beat the filibuster. They keep
filibustering it. Democrats keep saying like, you won't open the government,
but that's actually not true, Like, yeah, Republicans have been
(14:11):
the culprits in the past. And it's funny because you
keep hearing and I think we've said this, but you
keep hearing like this is such a chill shutdown. Yeah,
because the media is not interested in making them pay
the price that they would pay. But they're going to
make themselves pay the price because Democrats keep telling on themselves.
As this video shows. This is Catherine Clark, the House
(14:34):
Democratic whip, so she's in leadership this is not some
rank and file backbencher. And this is what she's got
to say talking to Chad Program of Fox News about
the Democratic philosophy on the shutdown.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
I mean, the shutdowns are terrible, and of course there
will be, you know, families that are going to suffer.
We take that responsibility very seriously. But it is one
the few leverage times we have.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
People are going to suffer, but this is how we
get political leverage.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, it's it's not a good message, it's not a
good look. I do think they look. I think Republicans
are branded as the shutdowners.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
In this case.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, they had to overcome that, and I think Johnson
in particular has done pretty a pretty good job of
messaging very well about that. The facts are on the
Republican side this time, and these guys keep doing stuff
like this. Didn't Schumer say something like like every day
gets better for us?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
It wasn't the greatest thing ever. Yeah, that's not it.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
That's not it because there are people who suffer, and
those people, in fact, are likely to be left leaning
constituents of the Democratic Party. So talking about it in
this way, particularly if you're in leadership and you're responsible
for their messaging. It's not great.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah great, I am sure be held responsible by many.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Peter Johnson has placed a screen in front of his
office for when they all so the Senators have been
wandering over to his side of the Capitol to say, like,
you guys should open the guy Republicans, you go back
to your Senate chamber and do it. So he left
a big screen TV playing this clip for anyone who
shows up.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Nice. I love it.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
We're going to take a short break and come back
to hear how Trump is raising the White House.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
It just won't exist anymore. Be right back.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
We are back on normally where the Libs are.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Having a normal one about Trump putting in a ballroom
in the East wing of the White House.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, they're really flipping out. So Trump has plans to
make this giant ballroom. And the East wing of the
White House is not what you think of when you
think of se at all front of the White House
or the south lawn or where the West Wing is
or where the President goes. It's actually down a long
hallway in a slightly separated building, and they are removing
(17:12):
that to do a privately funded ballroom, which actually I
got to say, just on a practical level, Yeah, the
White House barely has an event space.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
How does the White House not have an event space?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I just I need them to bring the temperature down
and ask themselves, how is it possible that the White
House doesn't have an event space?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, like you can cram people into like some of
those rooms, but a true event space would be extremely
practical as an addition to the White House, and privately
funded makes me happier than publicly funded. But the freak
out is a, he's doing this while the government is
shut down and people are hurting, even though it had
(17:53):
been planned and it's privately funded. B it's privately funded,
so it's open for like or what have you. Yeah,
I think I think it's but like there's two different
complains about it. And then it's just like he's ruining
America because part of the White House will no longer exist.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah, he's ruining America because part of the White House
that maybe you didn't even know existed will no longer exist.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It's yeah, they're just how could they stay this crazy
for this long? About this man?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
I think it would bother me if he lived in
my head the way he lives in their heads, like
Hillary Clinton tweeting, it's not his house, it's your house.
It is our house. We elected him. He's allowed to
put in a ballroom.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah. It's also like all of this depends on just
erasing all of history before last year, right, right, Because
Coolidge did a giant renovation, Truman did a giant renovation.
Every single president does things to the White House, including
(19:01):
including ambitious things.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I believe several have gutted large parts of the White
House to make them more livable. The Obamas did a renovation.
It is one of the like best. It's one of
the open secrets of Washington and political culture in general,
that the White House is not nearly as fancy as
the White House's reputation need you to believe. Yeah, And
(19:28):
that the building is like kind of creaky and the
floor boards are covered in weird carpet in places, and
you could roll a ball across the room because it's
not level like it's that there's a lot of spots
that it's.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
An old building, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah, And the fact that they don't want him to
touch it because they don't consider him the president. They
don't think of him as a legitimate president, and they
don't think that he should be allowed to do things
to it. And that's just ridiculous and too bad for you.
Near A Tandon believes that the images of them destroying
the East wing of the White House could be a
game changer in the elections, and she links a poll
(20:05):
that you know doesn't look great for your home state
of Virginia. Spanberger is leading Earl Sears by like thirteen
points in this poll.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Jay Jones is leading by five point points. But then
I was just curious.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I mean, I look, it could go badly in Virginia.
It's an off year election. This is what happens to
the out party like this, This could all I mean,
I hope that it doesn't and I hope you know
all my fingers crossed for you guys.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
But I go to the survey.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I go to the page of this poll and it
says this survey was fielded from these dates among six
hundred and ninety four registered likely voters in Virginia.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Respondents were randomly chosen from a voter file provided by
I three sixty and texted a link that directed them
to complete an online survey hosted on the survey Monkey platform.
Let me tell you that is not not exactly. That
is not a poll I would put my trust in.
And again, it doesn't mean that things aren't bad for
(21:03):
Republicans in Virginia, but the online survey that they have
to complete after you send them a link, I mean,
the person has to be really, really motivated. And you
know who's really really motivated people who hate Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
By the way, two recent developments in that race. Abigail Spamberger,
who's the Democratic governor candidate, was asked about j Jones
for ag running mates texts by none other than Katie Kirk,
who was like, these texts are encouraging political violence, like
what's the deal man like? And Spanberger's like, you know,
(21:37):
I'm just I'm just upset. I even have to talk
about it front as somebody's text.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
You, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I bet you are. You should talk to him about
that anyway. So that happened. And also apparently there's a
special prosecutor assigned to his speeding infraction that he didn't
do his community service for, so now they're investigating whether
he did his community So that guy wins.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
It's just boat blue no matter who. I just hope
he does you know?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
But I do think if I may entertain the neurotandem
notion for a moment, I do think there it's like
a little jarring to watch that facade come down, and
there is enough quick consumption of news with no context
because the media is not interested in giving you context
that like if you're fed all the time, Oh look
(22:27):
at this dastardly thing he's doing. People could go like,
oh gosh, oh, you know, Trump is always making high
rises and he's ruining things right when in fact he's
like just gonna make a really nice ballroom that has
a little too much gold, and later some Democrat will
come along and happily give it a little facelift and
host everybody there because they need it.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Life moves on.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
We'll be right back with more on Normally, where we
try to be normal and have normal conversations.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Be right back. We are back on Normally.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Where our third topic is actually a column from August
that for some reason is trending again and it's got
a lot of people talking. It's from the Wall Street
Journal and it's called work Life Balance will keep you
mediocre for financial freedom by age thirty, optimize ruthlessly during
your peak physical and cognitive years.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Now.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I don't know about financial freedom by thirty. I don't
think anybody should be promising you that in a subhead
of anything. But I do think that optimizing ruthlessly during
your peak physical and cognitive years is not a bad
idea and what I will suggest my own kids do.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, I agree. Look, there's a happy medium, right. There's
some of these videos I watch on Instagram that are like,
I'm an investment banker, and it's just like beautiful twenty
four year old woman who works from yeah I've seen
right to one. Yeah am, and I'm like, whoa, yeah,
(24:05):
let's do something else, but it's not for me, right,
But she also is making banks, so like maybe she's
just saving that for later, right. I do think there's
a happy medium between that and like I must be
able to do my twenty step skincare and my workout
every day. Yeah, all these like specific, very specific wes.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I finish at five o'clock.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
I there's a lot of videos like that also, And
I do I respect that the girls who are like,
I'm finished with work at five o'clock.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I do not take calls at five point thirty. That's great.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I just think to myself, AI is coming and it's
going to replace a lot of people. And the people
that are going to be replaced first are the ones
who are like watching the clock to go home. It's unfair,
and you know it's wrong. You're right, you should be
paid for every you know, hour that you work. Absolutely,
but there's a lot of jobs that are very strivy jobs,
(25:00):
those like you said, those were never for me. I've
never wanted to be, you know, a top boss somewhere
or something. I always wanted that work life balance. So
I completely understand. But if you are in these careers,
there is something to the fact that you work insane
hours in your twenties and then you coast a little
(25:20):
bit in your thirties, forties and beyond. It is definitely
the hours come down after a certain point, But those
those hours in your twenties. I know people at these
kinds of jobs and at these kinds of upper echelon
of these kinds of careers, and.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
They work their butts off in their twenties.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
And even I'm going to give like a counterintuitive take,
which is like, when you are hustling in your twenties,
there's joy in that. Yeah, that's what you're doing at
that moment of your life, right, And I did all
sorts of silly stuff because I came up in new
media when new media first existed. Yeah, I was figuring
out how to make videos. I was figuring out how
(26:00):
to throw things at the wall on YouTube, on Twitter
to see what would work. And my bosses were letting
me do it so because it was like this whole
new frontier and that's how I made my career. But
I pulled an all nighter every single Thursday night for
years because I was editing video, and editing video took
so long in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Oh my god, the kids don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
They did not know. I I have no idea. It
took so long. And I was doing a little weekly
YouTube show, and so I edited all night long on
Thursday night and then just get up and go to
work on Friday.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Mon.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
This is what you do.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
That's what you did.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I had created a product, and I created something that
worked for my career, and it was fun and silly
and also I worked real hard on it.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
The writer of this piece a Meal, bar I mean,
he's like, you know, started companies when he was in
his twenties and is that kind of person. But you know,
you don't have to be the tech bro and whatever.
What you're talking about is the same thing he's saying.
He has a great line. When you frontload success early,
(27:07):
you buy the luxury of choice for the rest of
your life. Because Mary Catherine right now is like stay
up all night and do editing of videos like and
you have that luxury of choice right because thank you
to the Mary Catherine of back then.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
She had worked real hard.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
She could handle those all nighters. Not no more, no
more friends. But yeah, there was joy in that, and
there was joy in being with work people after hours.
And you know, you live a little bit more of that,
the office life, where your more of your relationships are
in that place than at your house. And it was
good and it was fun.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, and the adrenaline keeps you running. Thanks for joining
us on normally normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you
can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Get in touch
with us at normally theepod at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
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