October 28, 2025 • 26 mins
Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz dig into New York’s political shake-up with Zorhan Mamdani’s rise and AOC’s latest rally rhetoric. They tackle how liberalism—not religion—is driving Europe’s cultural tensions, the Democrats’ quiet shutdown drama, and Arnold Schwarzenegger’s surprising stand against California redistricting. Plus, they break down Gavin Newsom’s not-so-subtle 2028 ambitions and his latest media reinvention tour. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey guys, we are back on normally the show with
normal it's tickets, but when the news gets weird, I'm
Mary casting him, and I'm Carol Markowitz. How are you, Mary, Catherine.
I'm doing good. It's Halloween week, so we're just like pushing.
We're pushing to Friday, when we're gonna get all cracked
out on a lot of candy and then we'll see
what happens next week.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I need a costume. I am not good at this
kind of stuff. If you have suggestions, people send it
my way. If my husband could be involved, that would
be a plus. We're just we're not those people, but
our block is having a block party, so we're trying.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Let me work on this for you. Yes, please, I
am those people.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, you could include our nine year old, who also
doesn't have a costume, but he prefers shirtless costumes because
it's hot in Florida and he's you know, he likes
to show off his chest anyway.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
He's him, he's him, He's very much him, and he
enjoys saying that. So I love it. That kid cracks
me up. Oh my goodness, oh gosh. We need to
get into the news. We do what's not cracking us
up is the somewhat inevitable, seemingly uh election crashing upon
us of Zoron Mamdani in New York City. And yeah,
(01:12):
have you have you detected a shift in his message
over the past couple of days?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
You know, I have to tell you, and people are
not going to want to hear this. He's acting like
somebody who has won the election and is now pushing
his real issues that he cares about.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Mm hmmm, so a couple of times recently, Yeah, two
clips he's speaking about, not affordability, not economics. Now you
and I don't agree that his proposals on any of
those things will work. Yeah, but he's shifted at least
his front facing message to identity is, which.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Is what he really cares about. Identity is still the
you know, the feeding trial of the left. They won't
get away from it.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
And he's in pole position to win, and so why
not return to his true love?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
And what does that mean for the city is a
real big question because I think you know, Andez, one
of our buddies who lives in New York said, you know,
she's been hearing the identity portion of this candidacy throughout
from canvassers. I think coverage of him has been lighter
on that perhaps to not make this an issue. The
(02:25):
New York Times has been happy to play defense for
him by saying, anything.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
You point out about his old rhetoric on nine to eleven,
it's all islamophobics racist, Yeah, but now he's like touting
this story of his aunt was afraid to ride the
subway after nine to eleven, And I just want.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
To say, this is like liberal fiction. Yeah, the United
States of America, including the leader of the United States
of America, who they thought was a Texan trougla dyte, right, well,
it was like extremely open and kind. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
You know the Norm McDonald joke about Islamists blowing up,
you know, detonating a nuke, And what he's really concerned is,
can you imagine the islamo phobia that will follow?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
The truth is that was us.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
We were concerned that Islamophobia would follow. Everybody was super
careful not to be islamophobic. Everybody, you know, separated the
terrorists who were all Muslim from the peaceful Muslims that
we imagined lived around us, and there was there was
this break of this is not their religion.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
So this crazy idea that his.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Aunt was afraid to ride the New York City subway
in a hijab after nine to eleven, it's questionable, it
really is.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Well, there's now some reporting done on this that suggests
the only aunt he has was not in New York
at the time and doesn't work a huge job. So
I assume he'll adjust his story to say, like, when
I say aunt, I mean just yeah on family, an
undesignated family press. Yes, yeah, but this sort of ranking
(04:06):
of victimhood seems, right, Carol, very central to who he is.
The problem is not so much that like it. You
don't have to go to Islamophobia to say, I have
seen what's happened in European cities when a large influx
from Muslim countries of emigrants demand not equal treatment, but
(04:31):
different treatment than everyone else gets, and a multicultural, very
liberal society will be knuckle under that will end up
in a bad place.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I've gotten to a place where I just kind of
want to comment all the time it's the liberalism because look,
you know, and I said this on our friend Guy
Benson show, Thailand has a very large Muslim population, that
you absolutely never hear about. Singapore has a very large
Muslim population that you absolutely never hear about.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
It's not the Muslims, it's the liberalism.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It's the fact that they're saying to these people who
come into their country, we will cater to you.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
We will make it however you want it to be.
We don't care.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
About our own values or our own background, our own history.
And Thailand and Singapore they're not saying that, and they're
not having the same outbursts that European cities are having.
So I will say, it's not Islam, it's not Muslims,
it's the liberalism. And I think it's the liberalism for
so many different things. I you know, when my Jewish
(05:31):
friends say, nobody's you know, cared about me after October seventh,
none of my friends have commented or whatever, I'm like, Yeah,
it's the liberalism because all of my friends have Actually.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, no, it's it's a real potential issue because you
have to have the I have to have the gumption,
the what it takes the balls to stand up for
your own culture. And the thing about liberalism is that
they don't think our culture is good.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Right, Yeah, therein lies their whole issue if your culturesism. Perhaps,
if your culture is not good, then why not let
it get taken over by a different culture. Also the
Europe problem, and I know, I think I've talked about
this book maybe five times on recent shows America alone.
Mark Stine wrote this book in the early two thousands.
It was about how Europe is not having children and
(06:20):
they are importing this you know, class of people from
these countries that hate them, and these people don't like
them either, and they're not having kids.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It was the central theme of it.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
And we are so there right now because also in
Europe it's like you don't like your culture and you're
not having any kids that you care about passing your
culture along to you end up in a really bad spot.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Well, a lot of people came out for Zoron at
a big rally this weekend, and AOC was speaking there,
and I guess, let's just play a clip or two
to give a sense of the of the message at
this route. Let's do it.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
This city was built by the High Irish escaping fan
and Italians fleeing fascism, Jews escaping Holocaust, Black Americans fleeing
sand slavery, and Jim Crow not being thos didn seeking
a better life, Native people standing for themselves, Asian Americans
(07:18):
coming together in Queens in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
It's like Brooks.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
Manicin it's step is island in this country in a
vision to build the freest top this and greatest city
on earth.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Howard Dean esque with the listing of locations there, she forgot.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
The natives, which is gonna be a bit of a
pickle for her.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Also, Jews escaping the Holocaust. There really wasn't that much
of that so well, Jews had been there for a while.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Also, also that line, you know, they're like they stick
it in the middle so the crowd doesn't go boom right,
Like little bit of an issue for them. Yeah, No,
I think the progressives in this crowd. I don't think
there's anything wrong with this message. This message is fine.
She should rehearse it a little bit better so it
comes out smoothly. There's another part that I thought was interesting,
(08:15):
where she protests too much. Here's another clip of ac.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
But we must remember, in a time such as this,
we are not the crazy ones New York City. We
are not the outlandish ones New York City. Well, they
want us to think we are crazy. We are saying.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
If you need to say it, when you need to
say it, it give me a problem. She also said
something about, you know, sending our money to bulldoze Palestinian
lives instead of paying for things here America first, is she? Yeah?
I guess so.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, I don't know the crazy line, Nick, what is
a woman?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
We could just start there. Do you know what a
woman is? Because if you do, then let us know,
because it doesn't seem like you do.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Look, I think this is the future of this party.
If mom Donnie wins a very clearly the brightest star
in their firmament, AOC is joining up with him because
she wants to be a bright star in the firmament.
They are both Democratic socialists, Yeah, as is their other
best buddy, who is not as bright as star Bernie,
(09:32):
somewhat letting than the star. Yeah. But look, they're attractive
and compelling and this is their message and the message
shift is noticeable, notice for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I mean, look, I'm not counting on November going well
for Republicans anywhere. I am racing for losses in New
York City, in Virginia, hopefully not New Jersey. But I
think in New Jersey as well. It's just it's tough.
These are blue states, very blue states. It will be
portrayed as a rebuffed President Trump. But the truth is
(10:06):
these are you know, blue slash pretty.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Purple stateable states.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, you're like, I don't call me a blue state.
Don't call my state a blue states. That's your I
mean like, it can be a purple, it's purple. It
can be purpleish read under perfect circumstances.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, and these are not perfect circumstances. I think. I
think New Jersey is interesting. I saw the apparently first
time consolidated endorsement of a Republican candidate by the Orthodox
Jewish communities. I saw that and councils, which is interesting.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I think it is, except they were all going to
vote the Republican anyway. It's just their leadership made a comment,
but they were all going to.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Do that already. So you know, I'm just I'm not
trying to get my hopes up here. I get it.
And although it matters that you reach these very specific,
smaller communities unless you're putting a lot of them together
and getting them out to vote. So it's difficult to
turn that into a win, but it was indicative of
something like momentum. To me, Yeah, that these leaders were saying,
(11:07):
for sure, we're seeing something.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
And should it really came close four years ago? I
hope that means something. I think New Jersey again. I'm
rooting my pants off for Virginia, I promise, but I
think I think New Jersey is going to be the
closest one. I think if these races can be kept close,
that'll be a good thing for Republicans going forward. If
New York, if I'm Donnie, can lose by just a
(11:32):
little bit instead of blowing it out, that'll be good,
you know, even even if New York City has to
have a Commy mayor for four years.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Speaking of Oh, actually, let's take a break here on normally,
and we will be back in a few with some
news on Virginia, particularly from the redistricting angle. All right,
we are back on normally talking redistricting, which is this
battle that has started across the US. There's always been Jerrymanderin, Like,
(12:01):
let's just put that out there. It's a it's a
very old term for a reason. Texas decided to do
mid district mid decade redistricting on a different schedule, partly
because the census got a bunch of stuff wrong. In
twenty twenty. When Texas decided to do that, California was like,
ha haa Democrats will show you. Yeah, we're gonna do
it too. Except their problem is that it's already getting
(12:24):
to it, because they already did it in a bunch
of places, including like Massachusetts, with there's zero Republican representation
in Maryland and Illinois anyway, So there's this battle going
on in Virginia. The Democrats have decided to join this battle.
They have called an emergency session of the General Assembly
and Senate in Virginia, which is complicated because it takes
(12:47):
Lieutenant Governor wins Sears off the trail in the last
two weeks by design or anything. Oh, I'm sure it's not.
So they're bringing them back because they want to try
to subvert the Virginia Redistricting Commission, which was formed with
a statewide vote, not not the legislator, a statewide vote
(13:10):
supported by the ACLU among others, and the AARP that
at seventy percent Virginia voters wanted this redistricting commission, not
the Assembly, to do stuff, and so now they're like,
we're gonna do something different, and we're gonna do it
in the two weeks before the election. And wouldn't you
know it, the coverage of Virginia's Democratic candidate Ali Gil
(13:30):
Spamberger is so nice from CNN. Virginia Democrats are set
to join the redistricting war. Their candidate for governor is
staying out of it. Yeah, because you're letting her right
like she's like, oh, no comment, And CNN's like, oh,
I guess she's not involved. Crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Amazing that grace that they get is always amazing too.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
It is amazing. That's right, that's ongoing in California. They
cantinue to try to redistrict. This one also required. This
one requires a constitutional amendment to change California's voters' wishes
for how to deal with this. And Arnold Schwarzenegger is
fighting against Gavin Newsom's fight to redistrict. And he was
on Jake Tapper's show and he had some interesting pushback
(14:17):
to the media narrative and to Gavin Newsom on this.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
Here's Arnie as you as you acknowledged this all started
because of redistricting in Texas. And this was Trump pushing
Republican controlled states to throw out their current congressional maps
so as to cook the book so that there is
less it is less likely for Democrats to retake control
of the House during the next year mid terms. I mean,
(14:42):
is it fair to argue that do you believe that
the Republican Party is starting this?
Speaker 8 (14:49):
No, jake, There has been cherrymandering going on for two
hundred years. There is such extreme cherrymandering going on in
the state likes Choosetts. It has like forty percent of
the people voting for Trump, they only had they have
er a representative. The Republican Party has zero representatives sent
(15:10):
to the House. Think about that. In New Mexico, have
forty five percent of the people voted for Trump and
vote Republican and Cyril is sent to the House zero
representative from the Republican Party. So there's cherry mandering, crazy
cherrymandering going on all over the country. And we wanted
to try to stop it in California, and we did
(15:32):
stop it in California and be made around the country.
So I think this whole thing about finger pointing and
said they did it, so therefore we should doing it.
That's not really the way to go that one party
should outperform the other party. It should be performance. And
when it comes to midterm elections, as you know, always
the party that is not in the White House usually
(15:52):
wins by twenty twenty five thirty seats. So what does
five seats matter in the first place? In Texas, it
is crazy should outperformed them that Actually.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Oh, Arnie, I know, it's like comforting to see him.
It's like he'll be back in my hell, be back. Yeah,
he's back.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
And it's funny because I you know, I haven't like
loved him in the.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Last few years, but he there's something about.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Him that I did miss a little bit. I mean,
I'll always listen to a Schwarzenegger sound by Yeah. Sure,
but he's he's correct on the facts here, and he's
fighting for something that he fought for when he was
governor of California, and uh so there you have it.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
And it's like Jake Tapper being like, didn't this start
in Texas? And schwartz eniggas like, actually, it's two hundred
years ago.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Oh goodness. So meanwhile, we should talk a little bit
about the past that Democrats are getting on the shutdown
which continues.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, is a shutdown still going, because I don't feel
like I've heard about that.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
In any of the main shoe media. Yeah. So it
is remarkable the chill coverage that this shutdown is getting
because Democrats are the culprits on this one, and it's
kind of hard to get around that. Right now, the
SNAP program, which is the USDA's food stamp program, is
(17:19):
about to be cut off, which, again, if Republicans had
voted twelve times not to open the government, I feel
I feel that this would be a large story. And
by the way, Bethany pointed out today, if you go
to the usdu A website, it will tell you who
voted twelve times to cut these benefits contend something. Yeah,
(17:41):
they're doing they're doing the messaging, but yeah, things things
could get quite bad. By the way, also for the economy,
which it's not great to have sort of lack of
spending from people who are reliant on various forms right
around the holiday season, like they're not paying the christ
Republicans would pay. But I do think this is eventually
(18:04):
going to be like, oh, are we going to keep
this up?
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Absolutely, Selna Zito points out that the country's largest union
representing federal workers is urging Democrats to abandon their current
position and join Republicans and supporting a stop gap solution.
I think, you know, people are really hurting, and they
don't care if it benefits the Democrats to keep the
government closed. The quote is it's time to pass a
(18:28):
clean continuing resolution and end this shut down today, no
half measures and no gamesmanship. That's from the American Federation
of Government Employees President Everett Kelly.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, this is their constituency, which is one of the
issues Democrats are running into. They're saying, like, media is
on our side, federal workers are on our side. Just
hush until what until what magical moment is going to
change here? Right, because the workers are seeing that the
calculus doesn't magically change.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, because I don't think Republicans are going to bend
on this.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Why should they?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
They're you know, well, and I think why should they
include a Democratic proposal into a clean bill?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, And the most likely person to bend is Trump,
who's not particularly ideologically invested in not having these subsidies.
But he seems thus far from what I'm hearing and
from what my healthcare friends are getting out of the
White House. He's like, nah, yeah, nah good.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I mean, you know, I think that's the right play
for Republicans here, especially if the Americans realize that it's
not their fault, which is a rare rarity with the
media lined up against them.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
When you got the facts on your side, it's helpful. Okay,
back to California for a bit, Carol. Gavin Newsom is
he running? Is he? We'll be right back on that.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
We are back on normally where you will be so
surprised to know that Gavin Newsom is planning to run
for president in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Not every single thing that.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
He's done in the last four to eight years has
pointed in that direction.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
So I assume you're shocked at this news. Yeah, he says.
I believe the verbiage was he's open to it, Caroll. Yeah,
is he open to it?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
He's way open to It's extremely open to you. I mean,
one of the only stories in Kamala Harris's book that
you know, I was interesting to me to read was
that she reached out to Gavin Newsom to support her
on the day that she was announcing or whatever, and
he was he wrote back hiking like we'll get back
to you, and then never got back to her.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I mean, ye is one of his more relatable moves.
The one thing he hasn't been doing for the past
four to eight years is running his state. Well, clearly
I have. I have not been able to bring myself
to read this particular New York Times piece, but I
just started it. Yeah, I just want to like read.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
This is Helene Olan's tweet on this piece. This piece
is utterly horrifying how California and Los Angeles's utterly enupt
and uncaring government does nothing to put a stop to
a three mile strip of underage street prostitution dubbed the
Kitty Stroll by local cops. This is the man who
thinks his record is good enough to be He's going
(21:15):
to point Helene and say we're great. And Helene is
no conservative.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
This is you know, the fact that she is saying
this is not a great sign.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
For also kind of a real quick we're still mad
bro quote from this piece. Part of that boom happened
during the pandemic, when many girls were out of school
and immersed in social media, where traffickers lurked. Teachers who
would ordinarily follow up on absences or report signs of neglect,
could not.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, yeah, and look, Bridges Fantasy points out that Gavin
Newsom signed SB three point fifty seven, the bill that
made trafficking miners in particular worse, and that Abigail Schreier
wrote about.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
It two years ago in City Journal. This is not news.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
This has been going on in California for a while,
and it's it's really terrible. I hope Gavin Newsom is
held accountable for this kind of stuff. He will get
a pass from the media and smoke will come out
of our ears, but we will do our best to
cover it here on normally. Also in Gavin newso News,
he is apparently trying to say that his childhood had
(22:24):
a lot of hardship.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Catherine, let's roll this clip.
Speaker 9 (22:28):
So you know, it was also about paying the bills man,
and it was just like hustling and and so I
was out there kind of raising myself, turning on the
TV started, you know, just getting obsessed, you know, sitting
there with the you know, the wonderbread and five stacks of.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
You know, like the white.
Speaker 9 (22:50):
Come every day every day in the back yard, just
bouncing the basketball throwing the ball against the wall until
the ball is just like fraying, man, and you're that's
it whole thing, so just and and then you know,
then this student that was shitty students in the back
(23:13):
with his head down all of a sudden started throwing
the baseball a little fashion and everyone else and started,
you know, make a few free throws because I was
sitting there practicing five hundred of them every damn night.
And in high school, I look up in the stands,
my dad's.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Back up there, okay, and it's like, man, and then
he's bringing his friends and your captain of the team,
and you're like, geez, you know, and it just saved
me and it got me into college.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Oh, I'm so embarrassed. I know it's awful. And you know,
people are also, don't throw a basketball like this. Nice
is the wrong movement.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
People are quoting the Steve Martin nineteen seventy nine film
The Jerk, which starts, I was born a poor black child.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yes this is for context, by the way, this is
an NBA podcast that he's on. So doing something that
is somehow generously called code switching, but in this case,
it's just like action, like an idiot, because I just
want to read. All you need to know. All you
need to know is the name of his father is
William Alfred Newsom the Third. Okay he didn't. That's not
(24:18):
a poverty name, guys. Yeah, that's but the hard knocks
of the life of the son of William Alfred Newsom
the Third.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Is ever come on like eating wonder bread and mac
and cheese, which, by the way, I would have loved
to mac and cheese.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
In my childhood.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
It was always like no, Grandma will make you blah
blah blah.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
He also says in this interview, again just changing no
matter what audience he's talking to. He says that the
anti woke message is obviously racism. Now he's spent the
last six months talking to conservatives or centrists or normies
about how the anti woke backlash is understandable because woke
was crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, yeah, I mean Gavin Newsome a picture from his
yearbook surfaced where he won most Stylish and he's wearing
like what appears to be a Burberry scarf and you know,
an overcoat. Maybe, I mean, let's just tell let me
tell you this kid is not poor at home. Also,
(25:23):
that line, though about his dad only showed up when
he got good at sports.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I mean, crappy dads.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Can be at you know, at every income level. But
I don't quite buy that he was poor.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, No, it's just this is like, sure, I'm sure
he ate those things at times during his who didn't
eat those things?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
The hard scrabbderbread and mac and cheese.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, it was the eighties. We all ate that if
we could. Again, I was told I couldn't even have that,
like it was.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
He's something else, both both he and Zorn. You see
them just like sort of whatever needs to be said, yep,
get said. And uh that's not a it's not a
comforting trait. No, I hope people don't fall for it.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
It's just they both have, you know, the gift of
gab a little bit, even though Gavin doesn't have it anywhere.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Near a Warzora.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I'm diagnosed, Like, especially if you watch Gavin Newsom talk,
his hand gestures are so ridiculous that it's like you're
not actually a real person.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I don't know what this is. Yeah, yeah, I don't
believe it. People.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
No, No, Gavin Newsom in twenty eight pick someone else. Well,
thanks for joining us on Normally. Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays,
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Hey guys, we are back on normally the show with
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Mary casting him, and I'm Carol Markowitz. How are you, Mary, Catherine.
I'm doing good. It's Halloween week, so we're just like pushing.
We're pushing to Friday, when we're gonna get all cracked
out on a lot of candy and then we'll see
what happens next week.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I need a costume. I am not good at this
kind of stuff. If you have suggestions, people send it
my way. If my husband could be involved, that would
be a plus. We're just we're not those people, but
our block is having a block party, so we're trying.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Let me work on this for you. Yes, please, I
am those people.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, you could include our nine year old, who also
doesn't have a costume, but he prefers shirtless costumes because
it's hot in Florida and he's you know, he likes
to show off his chest anyway.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
He's him, he's him, He's very much him, and he
enjoys saying that. So I love it. That kid cracks
me up. Oh my goodness, oh gosh. We need to
get into the news. We do what's not cracking us
up is the somewhat inevitable, seemingly uh election crashing upon
us of Zoron Mamdani in New York City. And yeah,
(01:12):
have you have you detected a shift in his message
over the past couple of days?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
You know, I have to tell you, and people are
not going to want to hear this. He's acting like
somebody who has won the election and is now pushing
his real issues that he cares about.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Mm hmmm, so a couple of times recently, Yeah, two
clips he's speaking about, not affordability, not economics. Now you
and I don't agree that his proposals on any of
those things will work. Yeah, but he's shifted at least
his front facing message to identity is, which.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Is what he really cares about. Identity is still the
you know, the feeding trial of the left. They won't
get away from it.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
And he's in pole position to win, and so why
not return to his true love?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
And what does that mean for the city is a
real big question because I think you know, Andez, one
of our buddies who lives in New York said, you know,
she's been hearing the identity portion of this candidacy throughout
from canvassers. I think coverage of him has been lighter
on that perhaps to not make this an issue. The
(02:25):
New York Times has been happy to play defense for
him by saying, anything.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
You point out about his old rhetoric on nine to eleven,
it's all islamophobics racist, Yeah, but now he's like touting
this story of his aunt was afraid to ride the
subway after nine to eleven, And I just want.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
To say, this is like liberal fiction. Yeah, the United
States of America, including the leader of the United States
of America, who they thought was a Texan trougla dyte, right, well,
it was like extremely open and kind. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
You know the Norm McDonald joke about Islamists blowing up,
you know, detonating a nuke, And what he's really concerned is,
can you imagine the islamo phobia that will follow?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
The truth is that was us.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
We were concerned that Islamophobia would follow. Everybody was super
careful not to be islamophobic. Everybody, you know, separated the
terrorists who were all Muslim from the peaceful Muslims that
we imagined lived around us, and there was there was
this break of this is not their religion.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
So this crazy idea that his.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Aunt was afraid to ride the New York City subway
in a hijab after nine to eleven, it's questionable, it
really is.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Well, there's now some reporting done on this that suggests
the only aunt he has was not in New York
at the time and doesn't work a huge job. So
I assume he'll adjust his story to say, like, when
I say aunt, I mean just yeah on family, an
undesignated family press. Yes, yeah, but this sort of ranking
(04:06):
of victimhood seems, right, Carol, very central to who he is.
The problem is not so much that like it. You
don't have to go to Islamophobia to say, I have
seen what's happened in European cities when a large influx
from Muslim countries of emigrants demand not equal treatment, but
(04:31):
different treatment than everyone else gets, and a multicultural, very
liberal society will be knuckle under that will end up
in a bad place.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I've gotten to a place where I just kind of
want to comment all the time it's the liberalism because look,
you know, and I said this on our friend Guy
Benson show, Thailand has a very large Muslim population, that
you absolutely never hear about. Singapore has a very large
Muslim population that you absolutely never hear about.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
It's not the Muslims, it's the liberalism.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It's the fact that they're saying to these people who
come into their country, we will cater to you.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
We will make it however you want it to be.
We don't care.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
About our own values or our own background, our own history.
And Thailand and Singapore they're not saying that, and they're
not having the same outbursts that European cities are having.
So I will say, it's not Islam, it's not Muslims,
it's the liberalism. And I think it's the liberalism for
so many different things. I you know, when my Jewish
(05:31):
friends say, nobody's you know, cared about me after October seventh,
none of my friends have commented or whatever, I'm like, Yeah,
it's the liberalism because all of my friends have Actually.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, no, it's it's a real potential issue because you
have to have the I have to have the gumption,
the what it takes the balls to stand up for
your own culture. And the thing about liberalism is that
they don't think our culture is good.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Right, Yeah, therein lies their whole issue if your culturesism. Perhaps,
if your culture is not good, then why not let
it get taken over by a different culture. Also the
Europe problem, and I know, I think I've talked about
this book maybe five times on recent shows America alone.
Mark Stine wrote this book in the early two thousands.
It was about how Europe is not having children and
(06:20):
they are importing this you know, class of people from
these countries that hate them, and these people don't like
them either, and they're not having kids.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It was the central theme of it.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
And we are so there right now because also in
Europe it's like you don't like your culture and you're
not having any kids that you care about passing your
culture along to you end up in a really bad spot.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Well, a lot of people came out for Zoron at
a big rally this weekend, and AOC was speaking there,
and I guess, let's just play a clip or two
to give a sense of the of the message at
this route. Let's do it.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
This city was built by the High Irish escaping fan
and Italians fleeing fascism, Jews escaping Holocaust, Black Americans fleeing
sand slavery, and Jim Crow not being thos didn seeking
a better life, Native people standing for themselves, Asian Americans
(07:18):
coming together in Queens in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
It's like Brooks.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
Manicin it's step is island in this country in a
vision to build the freest top this and greatest city
on earth.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Howard Dean esque with the listing of locations there, she forgot.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
The natives, which is gonna be a bit of a
pickle for her.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Also, Jews escaping the Holocaust. There really wasn't that much
of that so well, Jews had been there for a while.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Also, also that line, you know, they're like they stick
it in the middle so the crowd doesn't go boom right,
Like little bit of an issue for them. Yeah, No,
I think the progressives in this crowd. I don't think
there's anything wrong with this message. This message is fine.
She should rehearse it a little bit better so it
comes out smoothly. There's another part that I thought was interesting,
(08:15):
where she protests too much. Here's another clip of ac.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
But we must remember, in a time such as this,
we are not the crazy ones New York City. We
are not the outlandish ones New York City. Well, they
want us to think we are crazy. We are saying.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
If you need to say it, when you need to
say it, it give me a problem. She also said
something about, you know, sending our money to bulldoze Palestinian
lives instead of paying for things here America first, is she? Yeah?
I guess so.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, I don't know the crazy line, Nick, what is
a woman?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
We could just start there. Do you know what a
woman is? Because if you do, then let us know,
because it doesn't seem like you do.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Look, I think this is the future of this party.
If mom Donnie wins a very clearly the brightest star
in their firmament, AOC is joining up with him because
she wants to be a bright star in the firmament.
They are both Democratic socialists, Yeah, as is their other
best buddy, who is not as bright as star Bernie,
(09:32):
somewhat letting than the star. Yeah. But look, they're attractive
and compelling and this is their message and the message
shift is noticeable, notice for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I mean, look, I'm not counting on November going well
for Republicans anywhere. I am racing for losses in New
York City, in Virginia, hopefully not New Jersey. But I
think in New Jersey as well. It's just it's tough.
These are blue states, very blue states. It will be
portrayed as a rebuffed President Trump. But the truth is
(10:06):
these are you know, blue slash pretty.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Purple stateable states.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, you're like, I don't call me a blue state.
Don't call my state a blue states. That's your I
mean like, it can be a purple, it's purple. It
can be purpleish read under perfect circumstances.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, and these are not perfect circumstances. I think. I
think New Jersey is interesting. I saw the apparently first
time consolidated endorsement of a Republican candidate by the Orthodox
Jewish communities. I saw that and councils, which is interesting.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I think it is, except they were all going to
vote the Republican anyway. It's just their leadership made a comment,
but they were all going to.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Do that already. So you know, I'm just I'm not
trying to get my hopes up here. I get it.
And although it matters that you reach these very specific,
smaller communities unless you're putting a lot of them together
and getting them out to vote. So it's difficult to
turn that into a win, but it was indicative of
something like momentum. To me, Yeah, that these leaders were saying,
(11:07):
for sure, we're seeing something.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
And should it really came close four years ago? I
hope that means something. I think New Jersey again. I'm
rooting my pants off for Virginia, I promise, but I
think I think New Jersey is going to be the
closest one. I think if these races can be kept close,
that'll be a good thing for Republicans going forward. If
New York, if I'm Donnie, can lose by just a
(11:32):
little bit instead of blowing it out, that'll be good,
you know, even even if New York City has to
have a Commy mayor for four years.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Speaking of Oh, actually, let's take a break here on normally,
and we will be back in a few with some
news on Virginia, particularly from the redistricting angle. All right,
we are back on normally talking redistricting, which is this
battle that has started across the US. There's always been Jerrymanderin, Like,
(12:01):
let's just put that out there. It's a it's a
very old term for a reason. Texas decided to do
mid district mid decade redistricting on a different schedule, partly
because the census got a bunch of stuff wrong. In
twenty twenty. When Texas decided to do that, California was like,
ha haa Democrats will show you. Yeah, we're gonna do
it too. Except their problem is that it's already getting
(12:24):
to it, because they already did it in a bunch
of places, including like Massachusetts, with there's zero Republican representation
in Maryland and Illinois anyway, So there's this battle going
on in Virginia. The Democrats have decided to join this battle.
They have called an emergency session of the General Assembly
and Senate in Virginia, which is complicated because it takes
(12:47):
Lieutenant Governor wins Sears off the trail in the last
two weeks by design or anything. Oh, I'm sure it's not.
So they're bringing them back because they want to try
to subvert the Virginia Redistricting Commission, which was formed with
a statewide vote, not not the legislator, a statewide vote
(13:10):
supported by the ACLU among others, and the AARP that
at seventy percent Virginia voters wanted this redistricting commission, not
the Assembly, to do stuff, and so now they're like,
we're gonna do something different, and we're gonna do it
in the two weeks before the election. And wouldn't you
know it, the coverage of Virginia's Democratic candidate Ali Gil
(13:30):
Spamberger is so nice from CNN. Virginia Democrats are set
to join the redistricting war. Their candidate for governor is
staying out of it. Yeah, because you're letting her right
like she's like, oh, no comment, And CNN's like, oh,
I guess she's not involved. Crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Amazing that grace that they get is always amazing too.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
It is amazing. That's right, that's ongoing in California. They
cantinue to try to redistrict. This one also required. This
one requires a constitutional amendment to change California's voters' wishes
for how to deal with this. And Arnold Schwarzenegger is
fighting against Gavin Newsom's fight to redistrict. And he was
on Jake Tapper's show and he had some interesting pushback
(14:17):
to the media narrative and to Gavin Newsom on this.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
Here's Arnie as you as you acknowledged this all started
because of redistricting in Texas. And this was Trump pushing
Republican controlled states to throw out their current congressional maps
so as to cook the book so that there is
less it is less likely for Democrats to retake control
of the House during the next year mid terms. I mean,
(14:42):
is it fair to argue that do you believe that
the Republican Party is starting this?
Speaker 8 (14:49):
No, jake, There has been cherrymandering going on for two
hundred years. There is such extreme cherrymandering going on in
the state likes Choosetts. It has like forty percent of
the people voting for Trump, they only had they have
er a representative. The Republican Party has zero representatives sent
(15:10):
to the House. Think about that. In New Mexico, have
forty five percent of the people voted for Trump and
vote Republican and Cyril is sent to the House zero
representative from the Republican Party. So there's cherry mandering, crazy
cherrymandering going on all over the country. And we wanted
to try to stop it in California, and we did
(15:32):
stop it in California and be made around the country.
So I think this whole thing about finger pointing and
said they did it, so therefore we should doing it.
That's not really the way to go that one party
should outperform the other party. It should be performance. And
when it comes to midterm elections, as you know, always
the party that is not in the White House usually
(15:52):
wins by twenty twenty five thirty seats. So what does
five seats matter in the first place? In Texas, it
is crazy should outperformed them that Actually.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Oh, Arnie, I know, it's like comforting to see him.
It's like he'll be back in my hell, be back. Yeah,
he's back.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
And it's funny because I you know, I haven't like
loved him in the.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Last few years, but he there's something about.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Him that I did miss a little bit. I mean,
I'll always listen to a Schwarzenegger sound by Yeah. Sure,
but he's he's correct on the facts here, and he's
fighting for something that he fought for when he was
governor of California, and uh so there you have it.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
And it's like Jake Tapper being like, didn't this start
in Texas? And schwartz eniggas like, actually, it's two hundred
years ago.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Oh goodness. So meanwhile, we should talk a little bit
about the past that Democrats are getting on the shutdown
which continues.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, is a shutdown still going, because I don't feel
like I've heard about that.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
In any of the main shoe media. Yeah. So it
is remarkable the chill coverage that this shutdown is getting
because Democrats are the culprits on this one, and it's
kind of hard to get around that. Right now, the
SNAP program, which is the USDA's food stamp program, is
(17:19):
about to be cut off, which, again, if Republicans had
voted twelve times not to open the government, I feel
I feel that this would be a large story. And
by the way, Bethany pointed out today, if you go
to the usdu A website, it will tell you who
voted twelve times to cut these benefits contend something. Yeah,
(17:41):
they're doing they're doing the messaging, but yeah, things things
could get quite bad. By the way, also for the economy,
which it's not great to have sort of lack of
spending from people who are reliant on various forms right
around the holiday season, like they're not paying the christ
Republicans would pay. But I do think this is eventually
(18:04):
going to be like, oh, are we going to keep
this up?
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Absolutely, Selna Zito points out that the country's largest union
representing federal workers is urging Democrats to abandon their current
position and join Republicans and supporting a stop gap solution.
I think, you know, people are really hurting, and they
don't care if it benefits the Democrats to keep the
government closed. The quote is it's time to pass a
(18:28):
clean continuing resolution and end this shut down today, no
half measures and no gamesmanship. That's from the American Federation
of Government Employees President Everett Kelly.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, this is their constituency, which is one of the
issues Democrats are running into. They're saying, like, media is
on our side, federal workers are on our side. Just
hush until what until what magical moment is going to
change here? Right, because the workers are seeing that the
calculus doesn't magically change.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, because I don't think Republicans are going to bend
on this.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Why should they?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
They're you know, well, and I think why should they
include a Democratic proposal into a clean bill?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, And the most likely person to bend is Trump,
who's not particularly ideologically invested in not having these subsidies.
But he seems thus far from what I'm hearing and
from what my healthcare friends are getting out of the
White House. He's like, nah, yeah, nah good.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I mean, you know, I think that's the right play
for Republicans here, especially if the Americans realize that it's
not their fault, which is a rare rarity with the
media lined up against them.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
When you got the facts on your side, it's helpful. Okay,
back to California for a bit, Carol. Gavin Newsom is
he running? Is he? We'll be right back on that.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
We are back on normally where you will be so
surprised to know that Gavin Newsom is planning to run
for president in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Not every single thing that.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
He's done in the last four to eight years has
pointed in that direction.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
So I assume you're shocked at this news. Yeah, he says.
I believe the verbiage was he's open to it, Caroll. Yeah,
is he open to it?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
He's way open to It's extremely open to you. I mean,
one of the only stories in Kamala Harris's book that
you know, I was interesting to me to read was
that she reached out to Gavin Newsom to support her
on the day that she was announcing or whatever, and
he was he wrote back hiking like we'll get back
to you, and then never got back to her.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I mean, ye is one of his more relatable moves.
The one thing he hasn't been doing for the past
four to eight years is running his state. Well, clearly
I have. I have not been able to bring myself
to read this particular New York Times piece, but I
just started it. Yeah, I just want to like read.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
This is Helene Olan's tweet on this piece. This piece
is utterly horrifying how California and Los Angeles's utterly enupt
and uncaring government does nothing to put a stop to
a three mile strip of underage street prostitution dubbed the
Kitty Stroll by local cops. This is the man who
thinks his record is good enough to be He's going
(21:15):
to point Helene and say we're great. And Helene is
no conservative.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
This is you know, the fact that she is saying
this is not a great sign.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
For also kind of a real quick we're still mad
bro quote from this piece. Part of that boom happened
during the pandemic, when many girls were out of school
and immersed in social media, where traffickers lurked. Teachers who
would ordinarily follow up on absences or report signs of neglect,
could not.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, yeah, and look, Bridges Fantasy points out that Gavin
Newsom signed SB three point fifty seven, the bill that
made trafficking miners in particular worse, and that Abigail Schreier
wrote about.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
It two years ago in City Journal. This is not news.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
This has been going on in California for a while,
and it's it's really terrible. I hope Gavin Newsom is
held accountable for this kind of stuff. He will get
a pass from the media and smoke will come out
of our ears, but we will do our best to
cover it here on normally. Also in Gavin newso News,
he is apparently trying to say that his childhood had
(22:24):
a lot of hardship.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Catherine, let's roll this clip.
Speaker 9 (22:28):
So you know, it was also about paying the bills man,
and it was just like hustling and and so I
was out there kind of raising myself, turning on the
TV started, you know, just getting obsessed, you know, sitting
there with the you know, the wonderbread and five stacks of.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
You know, like the white.
Speaker 9 (22:50):
Come every day every day in the back yard, just
bouncing the basketball throwing the ball against the wall until
the ball is just like fraying, man, and you're that's
it whole thing, so just and and then you know,
then this student that was shitty students in the back
(23:13):
with his head down all of a sudden started throwing
the baseball a little fashion and everyone else and started,
you know, make a few free throws because I was
sitting there practicing five hundred of them every damn night.
And in high school, I look up in the stands,
my dad's.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Back up there, okay, and it's like, man, and then
he's bringing his friends and your captain of the team,
and you're like, geez, you know, and it just saved
me and it got me into college.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Oh, I'm so embarrassed. I know it's awful. And you know,
people are also, don't throw a basketball like this. Nice
is the wrong movement.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
People are quoting the Steve Martin nineteen seventy nine film
The Jerk, which starts, I was born a poor black child.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yes this is for context, by the way, this is
an NBA podcast that he's on. So doing something that
is somehow generously called code switching, but in this case,
it's just like action, like an idiot, because I just
want to read. All you need to know. All you
need to know is the name of his father is
William Alfred Newsom the Third. Okay he didn't. That's not
(24:18):
a poverty name, guys. Yeah, that's but the hard knocks
of the life of the son of William Alfred Newsom
the Third.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Is ever come on like eating wonder bread and mac
and cheese, which, by the way, I would have loved
to mac and cheese.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
In my childhood.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
It was always like no, Grandma will make you blah
blah blah.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
He also says in this interview, again just changing no
matter what audience he's talking to. He says that the
anti woke message is obviously racism. Now he's spent the
last six months talking to conservatives or centrists or normies
about how the anti woke backlash is understandable because woke
was crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, yeah, I mean Gavin Newsome a picture from his
yearbook surfaced where he won most Stylish and he's wearing
like what appears to be a Burberry scarf and you know,
an overcoat. Maybe, I mean, let's just tell let me
tell you this kid is not poor at home. Also,
(25:23):
that line, though about his dad only showed up when
he got good at sports.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I mean, crappy dads.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Can be at you know, at every income level. But
I don't quite buy that he was poor.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, No, it's just this is like, sure, I'm sure
he ate those things at times during his who didn't
eat those things?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
The hard scrabbderbread and mac and cheese.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, it was the eighties. We all ate that if
we could. Again, I was told I couldn't even have that,
like it was.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
He's something else, both both he and Zorn. You see
them just like sort of whatever needs to be said, yep,
get said. And uh that's not a it's not a
comforting trait. No, I hope people don't fall for it.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
It's just they both have, you know, the gift of
gab a little bit, even though Gavin doesn't have it anywhere.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Near a Warzora.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I'm diagnosed, Like, especially if you watch Gavin Newsom talk,
his hand gestures are so ridiculous that it's like you're
not actually a real person.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I don't know what this is. Yeah, yeah, I don't
believe it. People.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
No, No, Gavin Newsom in twenty eight pick someone else. Well,
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Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, And Charlamagne Tha God!