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Speaker 1 (00:03):
I'll know and welcome back to normally the show with
normalist takes for when the news gets weird. I am
Carol Markowitz. Mary Katherine Han's on education today, and filling
in for her is my very good friend Gates Garcia.
Gates is a contributor at Daily Wire and The Blaze
and the host of We the People with Gates Garcia
(00:24):
on YouTube and all audio programs. It's so nice to
have you on, Gates, Carol.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I prefer to be with you on the beach or
at the boat, but this is a close second.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, this is second best. We're going to have to
just take it.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
So.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I feel a lot of affinity with you for a
lot of reasons. But I like that you focus on culture.
I think that that's what I do as well. You
have a piece up on the Blaze site today. Can
you preview that for our listeners?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
So, I mean I'm a data three soon to before
baby Girl coming on Christmas, which we're.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Really excited about, as you know.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yea, and I just you know, in the last ten years,
because my oldest is I just see the world through
the eyes of a father. It's changed my whole perspective
on culture it's one thing for you know, the world
to attack me. When it starts attacking my kids, I
get pissed off. All to Beauty has stripped me of
a rite of passage that every mother and father should
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share with their kids. And that is one that you're
afraid of. It's that old birds and the bees conversation.
But I never and I've been preparing for that, and
I don't know when that day's coming.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
It's probably closer than farther away.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
But one conversation Carol and we've talked about this that
I didn't think i'd be having. First was talking to
my ten year old daughter about boys wanting to be
girls and girls wanted to be.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Boys, and she's just getting into makeup. So ol to
Beauty is.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Like a stop for us at the mall and no
longer because I now had to explain their campaign ad
about that. So I wrote an article about this because one,
it stripped me of a moment that I was preparing
for as a father and put one in front of
it that I was caught off guard with. And two,
I just have a hell of a lot of respect
for women, especially badass women like you like my wife,
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like a lot of others in our field, and it's
totally disrespectful to them. Makeup is supposed to help women
be seen, and a makeup company has chosen to use
an ad campaign that erases women. So I think it's laughable,
and I think the proof's always already in the pudding
with lost customers, stock price and all that.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, you know, it's such an interesting point because I
think that they're obviously the erasure of women point has
been made, but I have not heard anybody make the
point that you don't want to have to explain certain
things to young children, and that you don't you don't
want to kind of get ahead of yourself about what
the world is like and what they're going to see
in the world, and you want to maintain their innocence
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for a little while and don't want to plant ideas
in their head either. Is the is one of the
other things that kind of doesn't get discussed. So I
read your piece. I loved your piece. I recommend everybody
go check it out on the Blaze. If you also
write for Daily Wire or anything coming up there that
we should.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Know about, Well, we got to keep it PG on
your on your show. But there's this whole Uh yeah,
there's some things being thrown on the court in w
NBA games, and so I write about this. We've had
four of them land on the court. One of them,
I'm an easy I was waiting for permission. So four
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of these dildos have landed on the court and one
sadly missed the court and hit a twelve year old girl.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
And so my piece is a little bit more lighthearted.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I kind of write all my pieces from the perspective
of just like an everyday dude living his life. And certainly, yeah,
exactly so, like I do say in the piece, look
I laughed at some of these incidents. My text message
changed with my buddies have been funnier than usual.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
But at the same time, like.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
There is a decorum of respect that we have to
have for one professionals implementing their craft. Like, no one's
throwing dildos at me and my job. I'd be pretty
upset with that. And just women in general. I can
guarantee you that everyone throwing these as a man. And
so the whole piece, and the whole point of the
piece is like something can be funny and wrong, that's
not those can be mutually exclusive and we just have
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to learn how is a culture to balance that and
the whole build of things gone like way too far
in my.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Absolutely, and if it was your kid being hit with
one of those, it would really stop being funny very quickly.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, and spoiler alert, one of the five men has
been caught and he was wearing.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
A Beavis and butt Head shirt. So I think that
tells it all care Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Well, looking forward to reading that. I think you're fantastic,
as you know, so I'm really glad to be co
hosting with you on normally. Today, We're going to get
right into it, friends. The first topic of the day
is the crime beat in d C. Obviously, the Trump
administration has taken over the DC Police Department. On the
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first day of the crackdown, federal and local authorities made
twenty three arrests, including suspects wanted for murder, gun offences,
and other crimes. People are wondering how is the Trump
administed allowed to do this? And I think it needs
to be clarified that the District of Columbia's Home Rule
Act allows Trump to place the Metropolitan Police Department under
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federal control for up to thirty days. Trump and invoke
the law on Mondays, so it'd be thirty days from there.
I think it's fantastic. I think it's really a good idea,
and a lot of people who are angry about it
aren't making a lot of sense when they're angry about it.
And an underreported fact is that the mayor of DC
is into it. On Tuesday, Mayor Muriel Bowser met with
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federal officials to discuss coordination and strategy for the federal
law enforcement presence. What do you think Gate's a good idea,
bad idea.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I think it's a great idea.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
It's called accountability, and all of us in our jobs
are held accountable to a standard, and when we don't
meet those standards, we aren't asked to perform anymore. And
I don't know why in all professions other than the
police force, it shouldn't be the same way. And the
biggest question you covered at first is like is this legal?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
So Trump made promises in his campaign and this is
him keeping those promises.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
And look, I lived in DC.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I went to college in DC and we had a
dorm demolished on our campus. It was the only dorm
that was technically across the street from the main campus
demolished because the crime was so rampant.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
They were drive by shootings on that dorm.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So I've seen this going back fifteen plus years, and
it's about time someone steps up there. The other thing,
like Carol, you and I have a lot of friends
that quote air quotes live in DC. When you meet
somebody that says, oh, I'm from DC, you say, oh,
what neighborhood Alexandria Arlington, like Zach no one lives in DC.
They drive and do their job, but they keep their
families out. So I think that's important to keep them perspective.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah. Absolutely, And this whole idea that like and Mary
Catherine and I covered it on Monday's episode where oh
a crime has gotten better in DC? Well, for one thing,
has it gotten better? You know a lot of crimes
just aren't prosecuted. Babylon b had a great headline Democrat
mayors report violent crime down forty percent since they redefined
violent and crime. Love the Babylon be But for example,
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Harmei Dylan, who is an Assistant Attorney General for Civil
Rights at the US Department of Justice, Harmitta is fantastic,
She tweeted, that yesterday a homeless man tried to swipe
her phone out of her hand. Now, these little crimes,
they matter, and she's probably not going to go and
report that crime. It's not going to be logged as
part of VC's crime problem. It's one of those things
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that won't make it into the numbers. But that disarray
and that disorder still needs to be stopped. And I
think this other argument that like, oh, it's fine, everything's fine.
Crime levels don't matter. It's quality of life. Yes, but
crime is a roadblock for so many people, especially for
poor people, to improve their situation. Christopher Ruffo posted on
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x Nobody wants to say it, but America's poor would
be much better off if we built new prisons rather
than new universities. Crime and violence, not systemic racism or redline,
are the great destroyers of opportunity for the poor. I
so agree with that, And that's why it's so irritating
to me to watch these people on TV say that
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crime is not a big deal, and then Girijratis at
MSNBC says he's not worried about crime. Let's roll that.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I think it's really important to be clear about what
is going on here, and a relatively small crime problem
is being used for specific authoritarian purposes that we know
and understand. So let's be clear about DC does have
a really one, really big crime problem, which was the
January sixth insurrection incited by the current president of the
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United States, and his first act in coming back was
pardoning all the people who tried to overturn constitutional republic order.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
In Washington, DC.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
When I go to DC, I'm not afraid of losing
my wallet so much as I'm afraid of losing my vote.
Afraid of losing my wallet so much as I'm afraid
that my children's freedom to breathe will be stolen in
a world where climate change policy is non existent. I'm
afraid that the future of middle class people will be
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stolen by the very things you were talking about, cutting
the safety net, cutting Medicaid, cutting rural hospital.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Right, I'm afraid that my kid's right to breathe will
be stolen. This account Hilario Brighton Esquire a very funny
account on X tweeted, I'm always terrified when I'm walking
in the streets of DC at night that some gang
of youths will sneak up behind me and list certain
expenditures as legal expenses, which is of course what Trump
is convicted of. I find that all very galling. You know,
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that guy doesn't live in DC.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
He talks about, you know, he's not worried about losing
his wallet. He should be worried about losing his wallet
because if he loses his wallet, he won't have his
ID to vote, because we now enforce the law where
you need your ID to vote, and that will take
his right to vote away.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
So he might want to start worrying about that wallet.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I want to go back to what you were saying
about crime being under, the crime levels being whatever they are.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Crime goes unreported when it's not enforced.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
You're not going to report a crime if you have
no expectation of the police showing up and enforcing the law.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
So that's why crime is going to stay reported in DC.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Low crime numbers don't necessarily they usually don't mean low crime.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
It's just unreported.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
So I have this like sneaky suspicion that once Trump
enforces this stuff, that crime is going to get. Crime
reporting is going to go up, and the Left's going
to try to spend it a crime is actually going
up but what's going up at the same time as
the enforcement of that crime.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Here's what I hate.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
DC is like the gateway of the world to see
our country. It's where the most powerful leaders in the
world come to have their first impressions and sometimes last
impressions ever of us. Why if not more than any
other city in the world, would we want clean streets,
crime levels down, families roaming about safely, no carjackings. Where
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about climate change killing people? Let's study how many climate
things climate change is killed versus carjacking, guns, murders, knives
and all that I had. I was just starting to
rebuild my trust in mainstream media, just like a like
a worth and then you still see this stuff out there.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
He's looking for hot clicks.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Right exactly. I will say that not everyone at MSNBC
feels like an end does. Let's hear from Anthony Coley and.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
I live in Washington. This is personal for me. Many
people are frustrated with crime that we see, particularly committed
by juveniles in the in the city of Washington. People
are frustrated really that they when they go to CBS
to buy deodorant, that they have to get it from
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behind locked plexiglass right. But the response here and you know,
let me say this, right, this is not these are
not just random andadotes what we see in Washington Post
polling a month is that roughly half of DC residents,
mostly half of DC, view this as a serious problem
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or an extremely serious problem.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
It is a serious problem. I think that that's really
the thing. And this pretense from the media members who
are like, the crime is just isn't that big a deal.
It's like either they don't live in DC, like you've said,
or they're lying. And I kind of think it's the
second one. I think your you know, your trust in
media was correct in the first place, because they're they're
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just pushing a point of view, and that point of
view is everything's okay. It's Donald Trump that makes everything bad.
My buddy Curtis Hook at NewsBusters points out that it's
nearly impossible for these media people to not have seen crime.
He writes, it really is stunning to see the liberal
media be so dismissive of crime in Washington, DC as
a major problem when it's likely they know someone who
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has been carjacked, chased, harassed, or worse in the last
five to seven years.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, I had one of these situations happened to me.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
So I like, you always hear these stories on the news,
and you know, you want to believe that the new
sensationalizes things. But this happened in New York, but that
I know from friends that this happens in DC. I
was in a Walgreens in New York within the last year,
and a person comes in with a garbage bag and
just swipes a shelf. It was shampoo, shaving stuff and
all that. It was the first time I had seen it,
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and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is real. And
I turned to the cashier and I said, hey, look
look what he's doing. And they go, yeah, it happens
every day. And I said, where's the manager. She goes,
we will get fired if we confront them because they
will get violent. And so there's that. So there is
no enforcement. And then I worry about like people like
you and me with kids. I'm not necessarily worried about
my kids because I enforced rules in my home. But
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like when I grew up, Carol, we were at a party,
the cops showed up. We were gone, Okay, Now the
cops don't show up, and if they do, kids have
no respect.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
They have no fear of the law and no respect
from the law.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
And we're raising a whole generation to not even know
what law enforcement's role is in their lives. It's to
keep them safe and to keep them out of their
own harm's way. And you know, it's like the boiling
frog and the pot. Things happened very slowly over time.
We're creating a terrible issue for the youth in this
country when it comes to their view a law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
My middle son when he heard that theft or shoplifting
under nine hundred dollars in I think it was San
Francisco was not prosecuted, He's like, take me to the
Lego store in San Francisco. I was like, I don't
even know if Lego store is still there. So, because
you know, a lot of businesses don't stick around for that,
they actually ended up overturning that because it was such
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a poor idea. So, yeah, I'm going to end.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
This story with San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Gross. I'm going to end the story with Sarah Bedford
from DC Examiner. She writes, maybe elite journalists who have
wrongly substituted their own views for how normals act actually
feel about the economy, the border, transgenderism, and Biden's age
should sit this one out on DC crime. Totally agree
with Sarah. We're going to be right back with more
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on Normally. We're going to talk about New York highs
and lows and things that they're doing to improve the
situation and things that they're doing to not improve their situation.
Be right back on Normally. Welcome back on Normally. I'm
here with guest host Gates Garcia. He is fantastic and
you should check out We the People with Gates Garcia
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anywhere you get your podcasts. So New York is actually
closing its last migrant hotel because illegal population has plummeted
so much under Donald Trump. It's amazing, actually how much
it has plummeted, and the fact that it was seen
as something impossible, impossible to solve before Donald Trump got
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into office.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
So New York has had everyone flee their city and
it's gotten so bad that the illegals are even leaving
this is once the safe haven for them. And Trump
shows up again. He's shown up in DC, He's shown
up in New York. You know, hotels are built for tourism.
What is tourism. Tourism brings tax revenue into a city. Instead,
these hotels have turned into migrant homes, which costs money.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
And I did the math.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
The one that's being closed was costing four thousand dollars
per homeless person per month.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
That that math does not add up.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
So I'm thrilled to see one of the first saying
and productive fiscal decisions ever to come out of New
York City in the last decade plus.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
But we'll see where it goes from here.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Right because Zarmum Danny is in pole position to be
their next mayor, and it's easy to imagine that he
will say, you know, New York is once again open
for this kind of business because they hope to get
money from the federal government. I don't know that that's
the sly going to happen under the Trump administration, but
it will it would under a future Democrat where they
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get funding for this. So I think that the crazy
thing in New York is that they are poised to
elect a mayor who will bring back as much of
this could as he possibly can. Obviously, when fewer people
are coming across the border, they have less need for this,
but he can up their sanctuary city status. You can
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say we want anybody coming in illegally in our city,
and he can attract it in a way that Eric
Adams just isn't doing right now. On the flip side,
in New York, they just open the country's first city
funded shelter for transgender and gender non conforming people experiencing homelessness. Now,
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it's funny because I actually don't have that much of
a problem with this. I kind of think it's stupid,
but I don't have an issue with having kind of
people who are having gender dysphoria grouped together. I think
that that if they were offering them help, for example,
that it might be a positive. It will include services
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like individual and group counseling. Of course, those services are
not going to be like helping them with the gender dysphoria.
It's going to be just helping them lean into that.
So what do you think, Gates?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
So I'm also one of these conservatives that I don't
think that conservatives aren't empathetic, but I tend to talk
about my empathy for this group of people more than
I hear from others. That doesn't mean I condone it,
that doesn't mean I promote it. That doesn't mean I
don't want it. I want it for my family, because
I don't. But I am empathetic to these individuals. But
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
That this isn't a step too far.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
I mean, we've poured DEI into everywhere we possibly can,
and now we're pouring it into the homeless community. The
biggest question I have with this is like, how many transgender.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Homeless people are there in New York City?
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Like this a population that is so massive that we
need to go immediately focus on service for them right now.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
These people don't have homes. Like, if you look at
your basic necessities that you need as a human, you
need food and shelter.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Let's provide this for the homeless people in New York
City that need us to provide it for them. But
why do we have to put them into these ideological
groups based on their gender?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I just don't understand.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, absolutely, it's funny. I was thinking the same thing,
like how many of them can there be? And I
wonder if it doesn't end up attracting you know, gender
dysphoric youth who maybe aren't completely supported by their parents
or completely the parents aren't aren't letting them lean into
it all the way to actually become homeless, to run
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away from home. I could tell you that when I
was a teenager, there was a homeless shelter for teenagers
in Manhattan on like eighteenth Street and Seventh Avenue. It's
actually now it's the Maritime Hotel in New York, and
it became known as like the cool place to go
hang out. Like people would go hang out at this
homeless shelter for teens because it was like, you know
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where the funky people were, and you could like have
some street credit school by saying you spent your weekend
hanging out at this homeless shelter. So I wonder if
it doesn't end up growing that population more than anything else.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And the other thing is like I think that gender
dysphoria is a mental disease, and I think we need
to treat it like one so we can put appropriate
resources to helping cure.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Some of these individuals.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
We're now far enough into gender dysphoria where we're seeing
that it contributes to more suicides than many other things
at least that used to lead to suicide. When these
individuals grow up and they can't go back and reverse
what they've done. So it's like, hey, we're going to
give you food and shelter, but we're not going to
spend more tax payer dollars on diverse FI unit of
these groups. But hey, we can take some of that
money and maybe fight some of these mental health issues.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
You know, I think back to we just.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Covered something that New York City was doing productively, and
then we go to this. I can't help but think
of my favorite movie movie, Dumb and Dumber, when Lloyd
says her, when Harry says, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Lloyd, just when you go and do something dumb, you
go and totally redeem yourself. That's what I think about
this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Exactly. I have to rewatch that. Actually maybe I don't.
I don't remember if I show it to my kids,
Is it is it time for that yet?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Or nah? Your kids are good?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
All right. We are going to take a short break
and come right back with more on Normally. The French
might get air conditioning. We will see, be right back,
Welcome back to Normally. I'm here with guest host Gates Garcia,
and I'll tell you Gates, Mary Catherine Ham and I
love covering when leftists call something right wing. I mean
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some things that have been right wing just this last year.
Red meat is right wing. Working out is right wing.
Sheath dresses, our right wing make up is right wing.
A lot of things that you wouldn't think have a
political personality are actually political, according to the left. Now,
air conditioning in France might be getting that same treatment.
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Marine leapenn is running on getting people that air conditioning.
She says that if her Nationalist party wins, she would
deploy a quote major air conditioning equipment plan around France.
One French chalk show host wondered if air condition air
conditioning is a far right thing, I'll take it. I
don't care make it a far right thing. I came
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home yesterday to Florida after some travel and our air
conditioning wasn't working, and I can as far right as
can be. I needed my air conditioning fixed.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
All they're saying is that the conservatives are cool ding
ming ming, But I'm jing so. It's so funny.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
We lost power last night for thirty seconds, and all
the kids were in bed and they come to downstairs
and they're like.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
We lost power.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
It's gonna get so hot in this house. Like the
first thing they thought about was their air conditioning. But
it's like the left wants to now you named all
these things that are far right anymore. You forgot masculinity, fatherhood, parenting,
all those.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Things surviving is now far right.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I mean it's like tell your grandparents that fought in
World War two, or name any war you want that.
You know, air conditioning was going to be extreme by
the time we got to our generation.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
This is preposterous.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
If it's this easy to win an election on air conditioning,
I'm running in every city across America.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, I think that we would elect to emperor in
Florida if you ran on air conditioning.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
So the funny thing is or not not so funny.
But France does have a certain number of deaths every
few years from a heat wave. In twenty twenty three,
one thousand people died in France as a result of
a heat wave. And I see people say saying, oh,
this happens everywhere, you know, even in America, we do
have people die from heat. Sure US had seventeen hundred
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heat related deaths in twenty twenty two. That very same year,
Europe had sixty two thousand, eight hundred and sixty two
and if you're just for population, that's like twenty seven
times more heat related deaths. This is no joke. In Europe,
and in France, you know, it is particularly bad. I
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think that air conditioning can be the unifying thing for
the Nationalist Party in France. I think that they could
really show people that they are the sane party who
wants normal things. Kyle Orton on X posted quote. If
you tell a population that protecting borders or wanting air
conditioning amid a heat wave is far right, they will
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not cease wanting those things. They will ask how it
is that they can get in touch with these far
right chaps so they can hire them to run the country.
I hope that that's the case.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I'm a far right chap, Carol. I just.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
When the government wants to strip you of your basic necessities,
we have gone into lunatic world. I mean, the left
has been living in most of that world as far
as long as we've been talking. But this is it
does you wrote up the Babylon b It does remind
me of a Babylon Bee post. I mean, if they're
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so worried about global warming, wouldn't they want to cool
people down wouldn't they want to get people into a
cooler environment. I mean, I just I'm looking for like
this is a terrible pond. I'm looking for a hot
take to give you, Carol. And sometimes the headlines do
so much of the writing themselves that it's I'm almost
at a loss of words.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, I really feel like Europeans once they get air
conditioning and see what it is and how good it
is and how prevalent it is. Because still, you know,
I was just in France. Actually you walk into a
store and it's like hot in the store. Everything will
get better with air conditioning, I assure you. So. It
will not bring down your civilization. You will enjoy it
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very much. Air conditioning all the way. Let's do it Europe.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
The other thing they need that's warm over there is
warm beer. That's the reason that I don't like going
to Europe. They need to cool their beer down too.
So if we could get europe ac and a good
cold pine of beer, I might make the trips over
there with me and my other far right chaps.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Things might really change. Yeah, I think your far right chaps,
we'll have a good time if they fix some things
over there. Well, thank you, for joining us on Normally.
Thank you to my guest host, Gates Garcia. Check out
We The People with Gates Garcia on YouTube or all
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