October 7, 2025 • 32 mins
In this episode of Normally, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz mark their one-year anniversary with a lively dive into the week’s most talked-about stories. They unpack the political fallout from Virginia Democrat Jay Jones’ explosive text messages and explore what the controversy reveals about today’s political rhetoric and media bias. The conversation also takes a turn toward culture — from Bari Weiss’s surprising new role at CBS to how Gen Z is redefining marriage and divorce. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Yays, we are back takes full when the lead gets weird.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I am Mary Catherin Ham and I'm Carol Markowitz. Marry Catherine.
I have to say that you and I have a
lot of plusses, but we are not the world's most
organized people. So I just have to note that we
are recording this about a week and a half after
our one year anniversary of normally saying it, So congratulations
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on a year and a week and a half.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Well done to us. That's the traditional way too, it
is correct.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, I mean, just as long as we're not the
husband's in this equation. The show is doing super awesome.
We get over a million downloads a quarter. We love
all of our listeners, I mean most of our listeners,
and I really do just feel like it's so much
fun and it's just the conversations that you and I
would be having anyway, with maybe a little bit more explanation.
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tuning in and for passing it along to friends and
giving us reviews, I mean only the high ones please
and continue to do so because we like making it.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So here's to another year and week and a half.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
We should put this on the calendar. You really should.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I did put it on the calendar. I'm going to
tag you in.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Okay, great, we'll get it next year.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Next year, I'll totally get it.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, alrighty showing into the very weird news.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
So much weird news. What is going on in your state?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, welcome to Virginia, where we have spoken about the
Virginia governor's race, which is a tends to be treated
as a bellweather for what's coming for the two parties
in the future. Okay, Abigail Spanberger, who's a Democrat, is
running against Winsome Sears, the current lieutenant governor under Glenn
Youngkin in the state of Virginia. Virginia is a bluish
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purplish state.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
It has about.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Republicans, probably, but it's heavily populated with federal work, which
means in a Doge era can.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Be a little tricky tough times. Yeah, and often off.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
The out of power party wins. So that would mean
Democrats would be likely to win this time around. Right, Well,
we've got quite a story going on in the Virginia.
Racist story not coming from Abigail Spamberger, who nonetheless has
still not denounced any of the gender based scandals at
any of the Northern Virginia schools because she can't be
(02:26):
a bare minimum normy right, Oh, we got another bar
and it's lower, Carol.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So this story is about the AG candidate.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
That's the Attorney general candidate running against Jason Miaris, who
is the current Republican AG.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, his name is Jay Jones.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And National Review broke the other day, Well done, guys,
some text messages that he had sent in twenty twenty
two to a fellow delegate, a legislator in Virginia, a
Republican woman with whom he had had an argument. And
in the text messages, they're rehashing this argument, and she's saying, like,
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I'm trying to get what you're saying here, right.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
And what he's saying is and I wish this were
an exaggeration. We can go to the exact tweets.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, what I'm saying right here.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, what he's saying is that he wishes death, murder
in fact, upon his political opponents, the speaker, Republican Speaker
of the House, not only that that he'd do it
with two bullets, right, and not only that, but that
it would be good for his opponent's children to die
in their mother's arms to get her to change her
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views and the.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Speaker to change his political views. Am I exaggerating, Carol?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You are not. I'm going to read from these tweets
because I really do think we need to hear his
actual words. He said, if those guys die before me,
I will go to their funerals to piss on their graves,
send them out a wash in something.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
The person that he's writing who writes J Jones like,
come on, he writes three people two bullets, Gilbert, Hitler
and Polepot. That's the comparison here. Gilbert gets two bullets
to the head. Spoiler. Put Gilbert and the crew with
the two worst people you know, and he receives both bullets.
Every time the person he's writing with says Jay, please stop.
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You know, he goes on to say, I've told you
this before. Only when people feel pain personally do they
move on policy. And then he says, I mean, do
I think Todd and Jennifer are evil and that they're
breeding little fascists? Yes, this is just bananas.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
The thing that stuck out to me in your reading
of that too, is that the Republican he's texting, is trying.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
To get him to climb.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Down totally like normal, and she says at one point,
he's like, I'm just, you know, hashing this out with
you and sah, no, you're not.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
You're telling me that you're hoping for the deaths of
the children, right of this man to change his political views.
And he says, yes, period.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I have told you that unless people feel personal pain,
they will not change on policy, right.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And it's just such an insane thing to say and do.
It's like, what are you really talking about here? Killing
children so that they won't grow up to be people
that you disagree with politically? It makes no sense. But
what I wanted to say was that, look, there's a
larger story here, and Luke Rosiak has a whole thread
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about it. He writes, the most important part of the j.
Jones story is his rage was triggered by the fact
that a moderate Republican said nice things about a moderate
Democrat when the Democrat died. That's what caused him to
want to shoot the Republican House speaker. The Republican was collegial.
I think that it's so important because a lot of
people are like well, you know, there's also fringe right
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wing figures who say crazy things. This is a mainstream
story about mainstream people, and the fact that J. Jones
is considered mainstream despite this kind of insane rhetoric is
a real problem on the left.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
By the way, a couple Yes, the idea that you
would be triggered by someone giving a eulogy to someone
across the aisle to say this is absolutely bonkers, like
psychopathy level stuff, because you might assume like, oh, well,
maybe he's coming from a place of deep emotion, perhaps
there was a shooting and he's very upset about.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
No, there was a eulogy. Yeah, that's what's what he's
upset about.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
By the way, J Jones also just to this is
like a much lower tier issue now. He also was
pulled over for doing one hundred and sixteen miles per hour,
which of course, for any other Virginian would get you
in a lot of trouble. And then he was given
like community service And my favorite part of it is
that he did his community service for his own.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Pack, right, I get that alone.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Sleaziest slaziest stuff. He is now running to be the
head law enforcef of this entire state. Okay, so what's
his first reaction to this? His first statement was, like
all people, I've sent text messages that I regret and
I believe that violent rhetoric has no place in our politics.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
But he went on to say that.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Smears were being dropped on him by Trump controlled media
is going.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
There was no apology.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
This was his first reaction when he decided, oh, this
is probably is going to be a big story. He
did eventually apologize and say, oh, yeah, maybe I shouldn't
wish literal murder and the death of your children on
this guy. I called him to apologize. Oh gee, thinks
he is not, however, dropping out of the race, and
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no one in the Democratic Party has asked him to
do so, including Abigail Spamberger, who can't be a bare
minimum normy even in this case, including the other person
running on the take it for a lieutenant governor. That
including the National Party, Yeah, Virginia, the Virginia Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
The Virginia Beach Democrats issued a statement which reaffirms its
full support for j Jones for Attorney General and calls
on all Virginians to line up behind Jane Jones.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Another group of Democrats who are in the House of Delegates.
So current legislators called him a person of character, compassion,
and vision wild like to be sure, wishing murder on
your opponents is not something we endorse, but we do
endorse this person.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
And the reason they endorse.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
The person is because Mieris is somehow much worse than
a guy who endorses murdering political terrorism. So I guess
for me, as a right leaning mother in the state
of Virginia, this is really rubbing me the wrong way.
I gotta say, because the texts revealed. Now some Democrat
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hacks have tried to call them a joke.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
It's not a joke. He wasn't making a joke.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
There was.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
He was very serious.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Some have termed it bomb bast no near a Tandon,
a National Democrat. When a fellow panelist, not of course
the journalist, but a Republican on her panel brought up.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
This issue, said it was you know it was a
private conversation.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Well, it was a private conversation between two legislators about
how one of them wanted to shoot another legislator.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So like, yeah, I kind of work related.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
But what this is is an endorsement by a guy
who wants to be the top law enforcement officer of
a philosophy of political terrorism.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Right of the mids.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Like, that's not the right job for that guy.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Like he's like, no, I do think you should hurt
people to make them change their policy views, right.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Maybe kill their children, Like who knows. Until they feel
that pain, they can't possibly agree with me.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I'm the mom. I'm the mom he's talking about. I
am the right of center person in his state.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, it's how incredibly vile and it's it's not a mistake.
It wasn't a mistake. There was no error here. Charlie
Cook made it, you know, tweeted it. Made it sound
like he had made a typo. Like all of us
have sent tweets, texts we regret, Like I've never sent
a text like that that I regret.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
One of the statements from Democrats was like, you know,
he who he Who's without sin?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
And I was like, on this particular sin, I feel
quite comfortable picking up a stump like I this is.
And what concerns me is that when someone like near
A Tandon says this is just a private conversation, it
makes me think that's what her private conversations look like
and that her bubble is very comfortable.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Talking like this exactly. Yeah, there's actually a meme about
Democrats like taking something out of context in the Bible,
and it's like, no, I'm not a Christian and I
have nothing but contemporary r back with religious beliefs. But
this argument was going to work on me, but maybe
I can use it on you.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
No. Yeah, so he's not stepping down.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
He also it's worth noting that a couple of years ago,
he himself called for the Norfolk a Norfolk PD officer's
resignation for donating twenty five dollars to Kyle Rittenhouse's legal
defense fund. That's the line for someone else that's not
on his say for him, No, no, no, no no.
(11:28):
There is of course an ad about these texts that
the Sears campaign has gotten ready to go, Like I said,
Spanberger said, oh, to be sure, these are bad texts,
but made no move to just abow like the candidate
or she asked him to get off her own ticket.
She is sharing with him. Let's play the ad.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Real quick breaking news from the campaign trail.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Jay Jones is under fire.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
J Jones is under fire.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Jay Jones is under fire after messages he sent twenty
twenty two saying former Virginia House Speaker Todd Gilbert should
be shot.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I'm excited about this, jiggin. It's been a great to
be out on the campaign jail with j Jones.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
You said Gilbert's wife could watch her own child die
in her arms so that Gilbert might reconsider his political views.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
And Joe, who will stand up for the people?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Jones said, quotes Gilbert Hitler and pull a pot Gilbert
gets two bullets.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
To the head.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Jones doubled down, saying, quote, do I think Todd and
Jennifer are evil and that they're breeding little fascists?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
How can Virginians trust a man who said something so horrific,
so pallous? Only one people feel paid personally?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Do they move on policy that tagline? Reject the insanity?
Vote Republican because that is what it is. That is
in a nutshell, what it is like. Reject the crazy
and vote for the right ticket. It's just I hope
Virginians do the right. I know you guys are in
a tough election, but this is just such a wild
story and really a big tell about where Democrats are.
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They're national democrats. Being asked about this, of course not
is anybody being asked to condemn him from the national stage,
of course not. That's all reserved for Republicans. And I
hope that Virginia sees through this craziness and does the
right thing.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Yeah, I am a little concerned that I think it
was our friend Jeremy Sindaro has sent this to me.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Wondered whether.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
This would be one of those things that falls victim
to voters don't believe it because the Democrats are acting
so crazy that they're surely he didn't do that. Now,
this is why it's helpful to have the text on
the screen in the ad. And I do hope national
Republicans that are I would not say, like super optimistic
about this state perhaps should throw a bunch of money
at this particular campaign, because I think it is good
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for people to know that this is how they think.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
And I also want to say this, this is a
they learned last time, Virginia Democrats.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Last time somebody got in trouble for doing something appalling,
it was Governor Ralph Northam. And Governor Ralph Northam was
found in a an old yearbook from law school.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
High school, not high school, not middle school. Law school from.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Law school in blackface.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Technically, I don't think he ever admitted whether he was
the blackface guy or the clan hood guy. Could be
the one in this photo that was for publication. He
got in trouble for that. Democrats across the nation in
twenty twenty one were like, oh, you're yes, he needs
to step down now. They were reluctant to do this,
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of course because he's their guy, but they were like, oh,
I guess we don't like the blackface. We have made
that quite clear. So they tell him to step down.
He's just like nah. He bilgoievitched it. He was like,
I'm not leaving. He did the he did the moonwalk
at a press conference about it.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
It was wild, y'all. It was a wild time.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Then. The reason that the press eventually laid off and
that Democrats just shut their mouths and let him serve
out his term is because the next guy on the ticket,
justin Fairfax lieutenant governor, so several allegations of sexual assault
and wait for it, wait for it, the best part
the third person in line, the Democrat ag, Mark Herring.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
The Democratic ag also admitted to wearing blackface.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Incredible that.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
They ran the board.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
It was blackface, me too, blackface. The next person would
have been a Republican in line for this seat, so
they couldn't let go of Northom. And the press realized this,
so they were like, never mind, will back off of
this story.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
But I learned from last time.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
They're going to tweet right through this and it's up
to voters, I think, to do the right thing. Although
let's give a quick shout out and sorry to the
wine moms who are going to suffer through this one.
But Joe Scarborough next sitting to Mika, call for him
to drop out here he is.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
An attorney general candidate in Virginia, is apologizing for his text.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
It's about a state lawmaker. We'll go through and.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Probably be forced to withdraw the rest and probably is
doing a lot there.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
You were saying, you know, the little chain of command.
New York had a similar one where when Elliott Spitzer
resigned because of prostitutes and the next guy, his lieutenant governor,
who took over, like on day one, was like, by
the way, I had an affair. Just get that out there.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
You just seeing that Cliff hel Mika's squirming next to
Joe because they don't want any foothold on this because
they know it's appalling, even though, like I said, I
get the sense that a lot of their group chats
are full of this stuff, right, which might or not,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, same. I don't have anybody in my group chats
wishing death to anyone. It's just such a low bar,
but all of my friends clear it.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yes, congratulations everyone, Thank you, Guy Benson.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I wanted to just tack this on here because it's.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
On the the theme of political violence, right, which we get.
We get a lot of lectures about and Guy just
collected from the other day one the Jay Jones story
where he wrote down that the pain of these deaths
and murdering children and his colleague might help change people's
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policy positions. Then he notes too a development in the
case of a leftist would be assassin of a conservative
Supreme Court justice who traveled across the country heavily armed
with the stated intent of murdering up to three right
leaning justices because he was angry about their abortion jurisprudence.
The leftist judge in the case rejected a prosecutor's request
for a multi decade sentence, giving the defense team the
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very lenient sentence they sought. It was eight years because
and it's in writing. In her reasoning, the left disjudge
cited the criminals trans identity as a factor and expressed
happiness that the assassination plot and its aftermath helped with
the criminals family therapy, Like what what And then he
(18:18):
adds two more by the way, this is one day
of news stories. Number three a violent leftist attack on
ice officers.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Where they were rammed in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
We don't know all the details of this yet, but
it surely seems that they were surrounded and asked for
Chicago PD help and Chicago PD help.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
We do have the receipts on this was told not
to respond, stand down.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
And number four. On the October seventh anniversary, Elias Shapiro
is supposed to speak at NYU, a right leaning previously
canceled by Georgetown lawyer and a friend of ours, and
NYU's like, we can't give you security from all the
threats from us, so people.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Might hurt you, so we have the cancel your speech.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
So it feels not great, No, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
It doesn't feel good. It really will go to show
where conservatives are in this country. And the thing is,
you know, Trump loves to talk about his overwhelming win
in the last election, but it actually was an overwhelming win.
He won every single swing state. You know. Anybody who
points out that the popular vote was not quite as
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land flighty as Trump will have you believe. They don't
campaign for the popular vote. So we have no idea
how many more people would have voted for Trump. So
I would say that right of center is the majority,
and we are treated like this fringe group that needs
to be put down. It's a real problem, Like this is.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
How you deal with people like that.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
That's what concerns me, is like he looks at a
right leaning mom and her husband and their children, and
he's like worse than pulepot.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, like both bullets.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
That's a problem. That's a problem for me.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah. Well, we'll be right back with more on normal
and the changes at CBS. We are back on normally
with some media news. Barry Weiss of The Free Press
has become the editor in chief at CBS for news
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and this is a huge deal. It's very funny that
she's back in the mainstream media world. She very publicly
left The New York Times talking about how they didn't
have any kind of real journalist, you know, force anymore.
Over there, she said that a consensus had emerged in
the press and at the paper that the truth isn't
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a process of collective discovery but an orthodoxy already known
to an enlightened few whose job it is to inform
everyone else. She left The Times in a blaze of
glory started the Free Press. Free Press is extremely successful,
and now Paramount has purchased it and hired her to
run the CBS newsroom. I love I love it, and
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it's crazy because so many people are like, I can't
believe CBS got this right winger. Barry Weiss is a
left leaning moderate, like, you know, maybe just regular moderate
if you don't want to go with left leaning like
she is, in no way a right winger on no planet.
And again, these people need to understand that they're calling
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more than half the country this fringe element, and we're
simply not. And I love that Barry is in this role.
I think it's terrific. Iowah Hawk blog tweets mutiny reported
at CBS as journalists fear erosion of standards undercoming Barry
Weiss's reign of terror. But first a look into how
the right wing is pouncing on the humorous text messages
(21:43):
musings of an inspiring Virginia Attorney general candidate. So good.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
No, I'm excited for her. I think it's well deserved.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
There of course will be an uprising in CBS. And
I think your point is well taken about Barry Weiss's politics, right,
And this is actually an indication if the overwhelmingly insane
leftist media could read it accurately, it.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Is an endorsement of the rights.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Tolerance that most of us are rejoicing for the successful, fair, lesbian,
left leaning, somewhat heterodox thinker who runs the Free Press
and ran it so well that a bunch of people
paid actual money to sign up to get it.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I am people I paid.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I paid as well.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
We're excited to have her at the helm of something large.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
My only concern is that she you know that the
good vibes run towards CBS, and CBS is.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Bad vibes don't come over to the Free Press.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
But like that when I say, like we get involved
in culture wars, what I want is to bully people
into neutrality, that's all imo.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I don't actually want to bully you into.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Myte I bully people into inationality.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
It's all looking for and I feel like Barry Wise's
CBS is a is a step in that direction. I
did enjoy that brand Stelter tweets CBS News desperately needs someone.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
To supercharge its digital strategy. Maybe the Free Press can help.
But staffer's reading this morning's memos are left to wonder
what exactly do the new bosses think we're doing wrong.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Again again having people read you she created.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
A product that people pay actual cash money for, like
CBS can't give a lot of me And I noted,
you know what, probably nothing, Brian. They're probably fine and
have nothing to learn from this media entity that did
all of that that we just explained. The hue and
cry is another indication that they're exactly what Barry said
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they were.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
When she left The New York Times.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
And I also want to shout out to Barry Weiss
and Crue for doing something that I do think is
really important and great for the public square that is overlooked.
And one of the reasons that I read the Free
Press is their treatment of Americans of faith of all faiths,
but people who take their religion seriously, is respectful and interesting,
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and she turns over stories of like revivals on college campuses,
Muslim parents in Montgomery County suing to make sure that
their kids can opt out of LGBT content like these
things are interesting and important.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
There's a curiosity that doesn't feel completely ideological. I often
don't know the ideology of the person I'm reading at
the Free Press. And that's huge because look, you know,
you could really tell with some of the main stream
organizations what the news, where the news is coming from.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
So a CBS news that incentivizes curiosity, great.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I love it. It's been a big week for now it
can be old our favorite segment of media. Do you
have a story for us?
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I do the Washington Post opinion page or opinion editorial writers.
So the official voice of the Washington Post a last
week was like, yeah, Democrats.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Actually shut down the government. That was them.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
In today's editorial, we have an admission that's really important,
that something I knew a long time ago, that the
real problem is that the Affordable Care Act was never
actually affordable.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I can't believe it.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
It goes on to say President Obama said, I oh,
Resident Barack Obama's signature achieve but allowed people to buy
insurance on marketplaces with subsidies based on their income.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
The architects of the program assumed that risk pools would
be bigger than they turned out to be, even though
I told them they would not be in a bunch
of us in.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
As a result, policies cost more than expected. It goes
on to explain that indeed, these like covid Era extended
subsidies they're trying to get are wildly inflated. They're for
rich people, they're for double enrollies, they're for people who
don't know they're enrolled in Omamacare and their nonsense. But
(26:13):
you know, I guess join the party. It's been since
two thousand and nine. I can't even do the math
on how many years.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
That is a lot of years. I was told there'd
be no math on the show. So give you like
five minutes. I can get there.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I feel like I knew this due thousand mielic.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Now it can be told. I have one. Also also
at the Washington Post, apparently it turns out that as
fed's probe DC crime stats, some police are eager to
help build a case that the supervisors have been downplaying
violent crime numbers, and it was in an effort to
make the city seem safer, and all of us called it. Literally,
(26:52):
everybody said that this was happening. Obviously, they couldn't admit
that because that would mean Donald Trump was right, and
Donald Trump can never be proven right. But some rank
and file DC officers and detectives have complained for months,
in some cases years, that managers were recording serious crimes
as minor ones to make their police districts appear safer
(27:14):
or avoid the ire of top department brass. That is
so nuts because it's also such gaslighting. People are like,
my neighborhood is crime ridden, and they're like, no, it's not.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Don't pay any.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Attention to your own eyes. I know you know a
lot of people who had crimes committed against them, but
let us show you our official numbers as to say
there's no crime at all. It's totally fine.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
I do love it how the left and like left
leaning commentators just sort of a light on these conclusions
six yea, six months to ten years after we have
and they're like, okay, yeah, so, like I mean we
totally knew this, Like smart people always knew this, right, obviously,
and like they don't address the fact that they lied
to you about it.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, just like you know some police are saying, frustrating
it really is. We will be right back with more
on normally, where we mock a New York Times piece
about divorce sort of be right back. We are back
on normally with a column in the New York Times
(28:17):
that says, what does gen z divorce look like? I
can't wait to hear? Do you want to tell us
about it?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah? Let me just give you that opening.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Actually can't wait to hear you pronounce the name of
this person, so please please proceed her title her titles.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
In twenty twenty one, Kira Benson, a violinist living in Seattle,
knew it was time to get a divorce, ending their
two year quote lavender marriage wasn't an easy decision, but
the musician had a supportive ally, quote if you have
to dump your ex husband mix am I MX, I.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Bet I was waiting to hear, is it MX mix Mix?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Benson said, I don't know. I'm not in a public
elementary school. How would I know how to say that?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I bet our I bought my kids.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
From their time in Brooklyn, so mc spenson said co
dump him with his mistress. Before the breakup, mc spenson
twenty seven, who uses the pronoun day, checked in with
their therapist, who said a divorce would be a quote
good choice out of queer solidarity. They informed their husband's
quote mistress this was kosher and Mick Spinson's arrangement, which
(29:22):
was not a legal marriage. I love domestic partnership about
their shared partner's troubling behavior. The night of the breakup,
mc spenson and the mistress spent a cozy evening together.
We were eating a lot of comfort food, playing a
lot of animal crossing.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I am having an aneurysm.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
What is going on?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
This is the divorce right?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah? My friend John Cardillo, I don't share private text,
but I don't think he'll mind this one. When we
were discussing this column, he said, so, quote they divorced someone,
quote they never married, which is what? And then The
Times had a piece about it.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah. I mean, if the gen z looks like that,
it's probably a pretty easy process.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
That's called a breakup.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I divorce, the I divorce, the I divorce the.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yes, it goes on to like report a couple of
other slightly more normal people getting divorced. But it says
that gen Z prizes speed. They want to get out
of these marriages quickly. They're often short, with no children
and no property. That's more gen Zu trends happening there.
Often divorce is about rebranding, which I do think. There
(30:30):
is this tendency to turn your divorce into content, which
I'm torn on this because on one hand, it can
help because people have been through a tough thing and
they're seeing your content and thinking like, maybe.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
That's what it could look like for me. But it's
a lot to be putting out there.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
There's also the theory that the COVID generation is more
comfortable with upheaval because they're like, everything got tossed in
the air anyway, So why does this marriage need to
stay here forever?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I don't like it either.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Also, a lot of them are just thrupples that are
in domestic partnership, so that's not really divorce.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, this poor guy, I lost his wife and his
mistress and they're like playing video games and having a
cozy evening. I don't know. I don't know what's going on.
I'm too old for this shit like.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
We are too old for it. It is true. Yeah
it doesn't sound fulfilling. I'll tell you that, No, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Nothing about this is like, oh, I want to go
get this like, nothing aspirational about.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
It, that everyman opening. I do love that. The New
York Times is like, this is it. This is the
anecdote that will really resonate with everyone. Mix Mix Spenson
ask to you, Mix Spenson.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Good luck with that in your future endeavors.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
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Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, alrighty showing into the very weird news.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
So much weird news. What is going on in your state?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, welcome to Virginia, where we have spoken about the
Virginia governor's race, which is a tends to be treated
as a bellweather for what's coming for the two parties
in the future. Okay, Abigail Spanberger, who's a Democrat, is
running against Winsome Sears, the current lieutenant governor under Glenn
Youngkin in the state of Virginia. Virginia is a bluish
(01:51):
purplish state.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
It has about.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Republicans, probably, but it's heavily populated with federal work, which
means in a Doge era can.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Be a little tricky tough times. Yeah, and often off.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
The out of power party wins. So that would mean
Democrats would be likely to win this time around. Right, Well,
we've got quite a story going on in the Virginia.
Racist story not coming from Abigail Spamberger, who nonetheless has
still not denounced any of the gender based scandals at
any of the Northern Virginia schools because she can't be
(02:26):
a bare minimum normy right, Oh, we got another bar
and it's lower, Carol.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So this story is about the AG candidate.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
That's the Attorney general candidate running against Jason Miaris, who
is the current Republican AG.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, his name is Jay Jones.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And National Review broke the other day, Well done, guys,
some text messages that he had sent in twenty twenty
two to a fellow delegate, a legislator in Virginia, a
Republican woman with whom he had had an argument. And
in the text messages, they're rehashing this argument, and she's saying, like,
(03:06):
I'm trying to get what you're saying here, right.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
And what he's saying is and I wish this were
an exaggeration. We can go to the exact tweets.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, what I'm saying right here.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, what he's saying is that he wishes death, murder
in fact, upon his political opponents, the speaker, Republican Speaker
of the House, not only that that he'd do it
with two bullets, right, and not only that, but that
it would be good for his opponent's children to die
in their mother's arms to get her to change her
(03:39):
views and the.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Speaker to change his political views. Am I exaggerating, Carol?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You are not. I'm going to read from these tweets
because I really do think we need to hear his
actual words. He said, if those guys die before me,
I will go to their funerals to piss on their graves,
send them out a wash in something.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
The person that he's writing who writes J Jones like,
come on, he writes three people two bullets, Gilbert, Hitler
and Polepot. That's the comparison here. Gilbert gets two bullets
to the head. Spoiler. Put Gilbert and the crew with
the two worst people you know, and he receives both bullets.
Every time the person he's writing with says Jay, please stop.
(04:19):
You know, he goes on to say, I've told you
this before. Only when people feel pain personally do they
move on policy. And then he says, I mean, do
I think Todd and Jennifer are evil and that they're
breeding little fascists? Yes, this is just bananas.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
The thing that stuck out to me in your reading
of that too, is that the Republican he's texting, is trying.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
To get him to climb.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Down totally like normal, and she says at one point,
he's like, I'm just, you know, hashing this out with
you and sah, no, you're not.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
You're telling me that you're hoping for the deaths of
the children, right of this man to change his political views.
And he says, yes, period.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I have told you that unless people feel personal pain,
they will not change on policy, right.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And it's just such an insane thing to say and do.
It's like, what are you really talking about here? Killing
children so that they won't grow up to be people
that you disagree with politically? It makes no sense. But
what I wanted to say was that, look, there's a
larger story here, and Luke Rosiak has a whole thread
(05:29):
about it. He writes, the most important part of the j.
Jones story is his rage was triggered by the fact
that a moderate Republican said nice things about a moderate
Democrat when the Democrat died. That's what caused him to
want to shoot the Republican House speaker. The Republican was collegial.
I think that it's so important because a lot of
people are like well, you know, there's also fringe right
(05:51):
wing figures who say crazy things. This is a mainstream
story about mainstream people, and the fact that J. Jones
is considered mainstream despite this kind of insane rhetoric is
a real problem on the left.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
By the way, a couple Yes, the idea that you
would be triggered by someone giving a eulogy to someone
across the aisle to say this is absolutely bonkers, like
psychopathy level stuff, because you might assume like, oh, well,
maybe he's coming from a place of deep emotion, perhaps
there was a shooting and he's very upset about.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
No, there was a eulogy. Yeah, that's what's what he's
upset about.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
By the way, J Jones also just to this is
like a much lower tier issue now. He also was
pulled over for doing one hundred and sixteen miles per hour,
which of course, for any other Virginian would get you
in a lot of trouble. And then he was given
like community service And my favorite part of it is
that he did his community service for his own.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Pack, right, I get that alone.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Sleaziest slaziest stuff. He is now running to be the
head law enforcef of this entire state. Okay, so what's
his first reaction to this? His first statement was, like
all people, I've sent text messages that I regret and
I believe that violent rhetoric has no place in our politics.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
But he went on to say that.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Smears were being dropped on him by Trump controlled media
is going.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
There was no apology.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
This was his first reaction when he decided, oh, this
is probably is going to be a big story. He
did eventually apologize and say, oh, yeah, maybe I shouldn't
wish literal murder and the death of your children on
this guy. I called him to apologize. Oh gee, thinks
he is not, however, dropping out of the race, and
(07:46):
no one in the Democratic Party has asked him to
do so, including Abigail Spamberger, who can't be a bare
minimum normy even in this case, including the other person
running on the take it for a lieutenant governor. That
including the National Party, Yeah, Virginia, the Virginia Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
The Virginia Beach Democrats issued a statement which reaffirms its
full support for j Jones for Attorney General and calls
on all Virginians to line up behind Jane Jones.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Another group of Democrats who are in the House of Delegates.
So current legislators called him a person of character, compassion,
and vision wild like to be sure, wishing murder on
your opponents is not something we endorse, but we do
endorse this person.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
And the reason they endorse.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
The person is because Mieris is somehow much worse than
a guy who endorses murdering political terrorism. So I guess
for me, as a right leaning mother in the state
of Virginia, this is really rubbing me the wrong way.
I gotta say, because the texts revealed. Now some Democrat
(09:03):
hacks have tried to call them a joke.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
It's not a joke. He wasn't making a joke.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
There was.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
He was very serious.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Some have termed it bomb bast no near a Tandon,
a National Democrat. When a fellow panelist, not of course
the journalist, but a Republican on her panel brought up.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
This issue, said it was you know it was a
private conversation.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Well, it was a private conversation between two legislators about
how one of them wanted to shoot another legislator.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So like, yeah, I kind of work related.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
But what this is is an endorsement by a guy
who wants to be the top law enforcement officer of
a philosophy of political terrorism.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Right of the mids.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Like, that's not the right job for that guy.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Like he's like, no, I do think you should hurt
people to make them change their policy views, right.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Maybe kill their children, Like who knows. Until they feel
that pain, they can't possibly agree with me.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I'm the mom. I'm the mom he's talking about. I
am the right of center person in his state.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, it's how incredibly vile and it's it's not a mistake.
It wasn't a mistake. There was no error here. Charlie
Cook made it, you know, tweeted it. Made it sound
like he had made a typo. Like all of us
have sent tweets, texts we regret, Like I've never sent
a text like that that I regret.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
One of the statements from Democrats was like, you know,
he who he Who's without sin?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
And I was like, on this particular sin, I feel
quite comfortable picking up a stump like I this is.
And what concerns me is that when someone like near
A Tandon says this is just a private conversation, it
makes me think that's what her private conversations look like
and that her bubble is very comfortable.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Talking like this exactly. Yeah, there's actually a meme about
Democrats like taking something out of context in the Bible,
and it's like, no, I'm not a Christian and I
have nothing but contemporary r back with religious beliefs. But
this argument was going to work on me, but maybe
I can use it on you.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
No. Yeah, so he's not stepping down.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
He also it's worth noting that a couple of years ago,
he himself called for the Norfolk a Norfolk PD officer's
resignation for donating twenty five dollars to Kyle Rittenhouse's legal
defense fund. That's the line for someone else that's not
on his say for him, No, no, no, no no.
(11:28):
There is of course an ad about these texts that
the Sears campaign has gotten ready to go, Like I said,
Spanberger said, oh, to be sure, these are bad texts,
but made no move to just abow like the candidate
or she asked him to get off her own ticket.
She is sharing with him. Let's play the ad.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Real quick breaking news from the campaign trail.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Jay Jones is under fire.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
J Jones is under fire.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Jay Jones is under fire after messages he sent twenty
twenty two saying former Virginia House Speaker Todd Gilbert should
be shot.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I'm excited about this, jiggin. It's been a great to
be out on the campaign jail with j Jones.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
You said Gilbert's wife could watch her own child die
in her arms so that Gilbert might reconsider his political views.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
And Joe, who will stand up for the people?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Jones said, quotes Gilbert Hitler and pull a pot Gilbert
gets two bullets.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
To the head.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Jones doubled down, saying, quote, do I think Todd and
Jennifer are evil and that they're breeding little fascists?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
How can Virginians trust a man who said something so horrific,
so pallous? Only one people feel paid personally?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Do they move on policy that tagline? Reject the insanity?
Vote Republican because that is what it is. That is
in a nutshell, what it is like. Reject the crazy
and vote for the right ticket. It's just I hope
Virginians do the right. I know you guys are in
a tough election, but this is just such a wild
story and really a big tell about where Democrats are.
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They're national democrats. Being asked about this, of course not
is anybody being asked to condemn him from the national stage,
of course not. That's all reserved for Republicans. And I
hope that Virginia sees through this craziness and does the
right thing.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Yeah, I am a little concerned that I think it
was our friend Jeremy Sindaro has sent this to me.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Wondered whether.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
This would be one of those things that falls victim
to voters don't believe it because the Democrats are acting
so crazy that they're surely he didn't do that. Now,
this is why it's helpful to have the text on
the screen in the ad. And I do hope national
Republicans that are I would not say, like super optimistic
about this state perhaps should throw a bunch of money
at this particular campaign, because I think it is good
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for people to know that this is how they think.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
And I also want to say this, this is a
they learned last time, Virginia Democrats.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Last time somebody got in trouble for doing something appalling,
it was Governor Ralph Northam. And Governor Ralph Northam was
found in a an old yearbook from law school.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
High school, not high school, not middle school. Law school from.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Law school in blackface.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Technically, I don't think he ever admitted whether he was
the blackface guy or the clan hood guy. Could be
the one in this photo that was for publication. He
got in trouble for that. Democrats across the nation in
twenty twenty one were like, oh, you're yes, he needs
to step down now. They were reluctant to do this,
(14:40):
of course because he's their guy, but they were like, oh,
I guess we don't like the blackface. We have made
that quite clear. So they tell him to step down.
He's just like nah. He bilgoievitched it. He was like,
I'm not leaving. He did the he did the moonwalk
at a press conference about it.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
It was wild, y'all. It was a wild time.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Then. The reason that the press eventually laid off and
that Democrats just shut their mouths and let him serve
out his term is because the next guy on the ticket,
justin Fairfax lieutenant governor, so several allegations of sexual assault
and wait for it, wait for it, the best part
the third person in line, the Democrat ag, Mark Herring.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
The Democratic ag also admitted to wearing blackface.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Incredible that.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
They ran the board.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
It was blackface, me too, blackface. The next person would
have been a Republican in line for this seat, so
they couldn't let go of Northom. And the press realized this,
so they were like, never mind, will back off of
this story.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
But I learned from last time.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
They're going to tweet right through this and it's up
to voters, I think, to do the right thing. Although
let's give a quick shout out and sorry to the
wine moms who are going to suffer through this one.
But Joe Scarborough next sitting to Mika, call for him
to drop out here he is.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
An attorney general candidate in Virginia, is apologizing for his text.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
It's about a state lawmaker. We'll go through and.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Probably be forced to withdraw the rest and probably is
doing a lot there.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
You were saying, you know, the little chain of command.
New York had a similar one where when Elliott Spitzer
resigned because of prostitutes and the next guy, his lieutenant governor,
who took over, like on day one, was like, by
the way, I had an affair. Just get that out there.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
You just seeing that Cliff hel Mika's squirming next to
Joe because they don't want any foothold on this because
they know it's appalling, even though, like I said, I
get the sense that a lot of their group chats
are full of this stuff, right, which might or not,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, same. I don't have anybody in my group chats
wishing death to anyone. It's just such a low bar,
but all of my friends clear it.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yes, congratulations everyone, Thank you, Guy Benson.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I wanted to just tack this on here because it's.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
On the the theme of political violence, right, which we get.
We get a lot of lectures about and Guy just
collected from the other day one the Jay Jones story
where he wrote down that the pain of these deaths
and murdering children and his colleague might help change people's
(17:28):
policy positions. Then he notes too a development in the
case of a leftist would be assassin of a conservative
Supreme Court justice who traveled across the country heavily armed
with the stated intent of murdering up to three right
leaning justices because he was angry about their abortion jurisprudence.
The leftist judge in the case rejected a prosecutor's request
for a multi decade sentence, giving the defense team the
(17:52):
very lenient sentence they sought. It was eight years because
and it's in writing. In her reasoning, the left disjudge
cited the criminals trans identity as a factor and expressed
happiness that the assassination plot and its aftermath helped with
the criminals family therapy, Like what what And then he
(18:18):
adds two more by the way, this is one day
of news stories. Number three a violent leftist attack on
ice officers.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Where they were rammed in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
We don't know all the details of this yet, but
it surely seems that they were surrounded and asked for
Chicago PD help and Chicago PD help.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
We do have the receipts on this was told not
to respond, stand down.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
And number four. On the October seventh anniversary, Elias Shapiro
is supposed to speak at NYU, a right leaning previously
canceled by Georgetown lawyer and a friend of ours, and
NYU's like, we can't give you security from all the
threats from us, so people.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Might hurt you, so we have the cancel your speech.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
So it feels not great, No, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
It doesn't feel good. It really will go to show
where conservatives are in this country. And the thing is,
you know, Trump loves to talk about his overwhelming win
in the last election, but it actually was an overwhelming win.
He won every single swing state. You know. Anybody who
points out that the popular vote was not quite as
(19:23):
land flighty as Trump will have you believe. They don't
campaign for the popular vote. So we have no idea
how many more people would have voted for Trump. So
I would say that right of center is the majority,
and we are treated like this fringe group that needs
to be put down. It's a real problem, Like this is.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
How you deal with people like that.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
That's what concerns me, is like he looks at a
right leaning mom and her husband and their children, and
he's like worse than pulepot.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, like both bullets.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
That's a problem. That's a problem for me.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah. Well, we'll be right back with more on normal
and the changes at CBS. We are back on normally
with some media news. Barry Weiss of The Free Press
has become the editor in chief at CBS for news
(20:17):
and this is a huge deal. It's very funny that
she's back in the mainstream media world. She very publicly
left The New York Times talking about how they didn't
have any kind of real journalist, you know, force anymore.
Over there, she said that a consensus had emerged in
the press and at the paper that the truth isn't
(20:37):
a process of collective discovery but an orthodoxy already known
to an enlightened few whose job it is to inform
everyone else. She left The Times in a blaze of
glory started the Free Press. Free Press is extremely successful,
and now Paramount has purchased it and hired her to
run the CBS newsroom. I love I love it, and
(21:01):
it's crazy because so many people are like, I can't
believe CBS got this right winger. Barry Weiss is a
left leaning moderate, like, you know, maybe just regular moderate
if you don't want to go with left leaning like
she is, in no way a right winger on no planet.
And again, these people need to understand that they're calling
(21:22):
more than half the country this fringe element, and we're
simply not. And I love that Barry is in this role.
I think it's terrific. Iowah Hawk blog tweets mutiny reported
at CBS as journalists fear erosion of standards undercoming Barry
Weiss's reign of terror. But first a look into how
the right wing is pouncing on the humorous text messages
(21:43):
musings of an inspiring Virginia Attorney general candidate. So good.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
No, I'm excited for her. I think it's well deserved.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
There of course will be an uprising in CBS. And
I think your point is well taken about Barry Weiss's politics, right,
And this is actually an indication if the overwhelmingly insane
leftist media could read it accurately, it.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Is an endorsement of the rights.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Tolerance that most of us are rejoicing for the successful, fair, lesbian,
left leaning, somewhat heterodox thinker who runs the Free Press
and ran it so well that a bunch of people
paid actual money to sign up to get it.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I am people I paid.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I paid as well.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
We're excited to have her at the helm of something large.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
My only concern is that she you know that the
good vibes run towards CBS, and CBS is.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Bad vibes don't come over to the Free Press.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
But like that when I say, like we get involved
in culture wars, what I want is to bully people
into neutrality, that's all imo.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I don't actually want to bully you into.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Myte I bully people into inationality.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
It's all looking for and I feel like Barry Wise's
CBS is a is a step in that direction. I
did enjoy that brand Stelter tweets CBS News desperately needs someone.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
To supercharge its digital strategy. Maybe the Free Press can help.
But staffer's reading this morning's memos are left to wonder
what exactly do the new bosses think we're doing wrong.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Again again having people read you she created.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
A product that people pay actual cash money for, like
CBS can't give a lot of me And I noted,
you know what, probably nothing, Brian. They're probably fine and
have nothing to learn from this media entity that did
all of that that we just explained. The hue and
cry is another indication that they're exactly what Barry said
(23:55):
they were.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
When she left The New York Times.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
And I also want to shout out to Barry Weiss
and Crue for doing something that I do think is
really important and great for the public square that is overlooked.
And one of the reasons that I read the Free
Press is their treatment of Americans of faith of all faiths,
but people who take their religion seriously, is respectful and interesting,
(24:18):
and she turns over stories of like revivals on college campuses,
Muslim parents in Montgomery County suing to make sure that
their kids can opt out of LGBT content like these
things are interesting and important.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
There's a curiosity that doesn't feel completely ideological. I often
don't know the ideology of the person I'm reading at
the Free Press. And that's huge because look, you know,
you could really tell with some of the main stream
organizations what the news, where the news is coming from.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
So a CBS news that incentivizes curiosity, great.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I love it. It's been a big week for now it
can be old our favorite segment of media. Do you
have a story for us?
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I do the Washington Post opinion page or opinion editorial writers.
So the official voice of the Washington Post a last
week was like, yeah, Democrats.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Actually shut down the government. That was them.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
In today's editorial, we have an admission that's really important,
that something I knew a long time ago, that the
real problem is that the Affordable Care Act was never
actually affordable.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I can't believe it.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
It goes on to say President Obama said, I oh,
Resident Barack Obama's signature achieve but allowed people to buy
insurance on marketplaces with subsidies based on their income.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
The architects of the program assumed that risk pools would
be bigger than they turned out to be, even though
I told them they would not be in a bunch
of us in.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
As a result, policies cost more than expected. It goes
on to explain that indeed, these like covid Era extended
subsidies they're trying to get are wildly inflated. They're for
rich people, they're for double enrollies, they're for people who
don't know they're enrolled in Omamacare and their nonsense. But
(26:13):
you know, I guess join the party. It's been since
two thousand and nine. I can't even do the math
on how many years.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
That is a lot of years. I was told there'd
be no math on the show. So give you like
five minutes. I can get there.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I feel like I knew this due thousand mielic.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Now it can be told. I have one. Also also
at the Washington Post, apparently it turns out that as
fed's probe DC crime stats, some police are eager to
help build a case that the supervisors have been downplaying
violent crime numbers, and it was in an effort to
make the city seem safer, and all of us called it. Literally,
(26:52):
everybody said that this was happening. Obviously, they couldn't admit
that because that would mean Donald Trump was right, and
Donald Trump can never be proven right. But some rank
and file DC officers and detectives have complained for months,
in some cases years, that managers were recording serious crimes
as minor ones to make their police districts appear safer
(27:14):
or avoid the ire of top department brass. That is
so nuts because it's also such gaslighting. People are like,
my neighborhood is crime ridden, and they're like, no, it's not.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Don't pay any.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Attention to your own eyes. I know you know a
lot of people who had crimes committed against them, but
let us show you our official numbers as to say
there's no crime at all. It's totally fine.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
I do love it how the left and like left
leaning commentators just sort of a light on these conclusions
six yea, six months to ten years after we have
and they're like, okay, yeah, so, like I mean we
totally knew this, Like smart people always knew this, right, obviously,
and like they don't address the fact that they lied
to you about it.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, just like you know some police are saying, frustrating
it really is. We will be right back with more
on normally, where we mock a New York Times piece
about divorce sort of be right back. We are back
on normally with a column in the New York Times
(28:17):
that says, what does gen z divorce look like? I
can't wait to hear? Do you want to tell us
about it?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah? Let me just give you that opening.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Actually can't wait to hear you pronounce the name of
this person, so please please proceed her title her titles.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
In twenty twenty one, Kira Benson, a violinist living in Seattle,
knew it was time to get a divorce, ending their
two year quote lavender marriage wasn't an easy decision, but
the musician had a supportive ally, quote if you have
to dump your ex husband mix am I MX, I.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Bet I was waiting to hear, is it MX mix Mix?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Benson said, I don't know. I'm not in a public
elementary school. How would I know how to say that?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I bet our I bought my kids.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
From their time in Brooklyn, so mc spenson said co
dump him with his mistress. Before the breakup, mc spenson
twenty seven, who uses the pronoun day, checked in with
their therapist, who said a divorce would be a quote
good choice out of queer solidarity. They informed their husband's
quote mistress this was kosher and Mick Spinson's arrangement, which
(29:22):
was not a legal marriage. I love domestic partnership about
their shared partner's troubling behavior. The night of the breakup,
mc spenson and the mistress spent a cozy evening together.
We were eating a lot of comfort food, playing a
lot of animal crossing.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I am having an aneurysm.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
What is going on?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
This is the divorce right?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah? My friend John Cardillo, I don't share private text,
but I don't think he'll mind this one. When we
were discussing this column, he said, so, quote they divorced someone,
quote they never married, which is what? And then The
Times had a piece about it.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah. I mean, if the gen z looks like that,
it's probably a pretty easy process.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
That's called a breakup.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I divorce, the I divorce, the I divorce the.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yes, it goes on to like report a couple of
other slightly more normal people getting divorced. But it says
that gen Z prizes speed. They want to get out
of these marriages quickly. They're often short, with no children
and no property. That's more gen Zu trends happening there.
Often divorce is about rebranding, which I do think. There
(30:30):
is this tendency to turn your divorce into content, which
I'm torn on this because on one hand, it can
help because people have been through a tough thing and
they're seeing your content and thinking like, maybe.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
That's what it could look like for me. But it's
a lot to be putting out there.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
There's also the theory that the COVID generation is more
comfortable with upheaval because they're like, everything got tossed in
the air anyway, So why does this marriage need to
stay here forever?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I don't like it either.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Also, a lot of them are just thrupples that are
in domestic partnership, so that's not really divorce.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, this poor guy, I lost his wife and his
mistress and they're like playing video games and having a
cozy evening. I don't know. I don't know what's going on.
I'm too old for this shit like.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
We are too old for it. It is true. Yeah
it doesn't sound fulfilling. I'll tell you that, No, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Nothing about this is like, oh, I want to go
get this like, nothing aspirational about.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
It, that everyman opening. I do love that. The New
York Times is like, this is it. This is the
anecdote that will really resonate with everyone. Mix Mix Spenson
ask to you, Mix Spenson.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Good luck with that in your future endeavors.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
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