October 9, 2025 • 24 mins
In this episode of Normally, hosts Mary Katharine Hamm and Karol Markowicz tackle a wide range of headline-making issues. They dive into California’s political landscape and the new challenges facing Katie Porter, they examine the growing problem of political violence in America, and unpack a pivotal Supreme Court case on conversion therapy and free speech. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, it's we're back on normal.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
So normal it's taking for when the news kids weird.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
I am Mary Kaffers.
Speaker 4 (00:09):
And I am Carol Markolitz. How are you doing, Mary Catherine.
Speaker 5 (00:13):
We're doing all right.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We're having quite a week.
Speaker 5 (00:15):
Two kids with croup.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
One dog had surgery because the allegedly smartest dog on
the planet ate a microfiber towel.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So he lost his crown. He lost his crown.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Sometimes smart people and dogs do not so smart things.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's fine, We're fine, fine, we're getting through it. We're
getting through it all right. Dog's doing well, So we
got that going forward.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
We're rooting for the dog. Hoping the kids feel better soon.
And hope you're doing Hope you're holding up over there.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, we're all right.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Well, we've got sort of a California heavy episode of
both of our first topics touch on it. Katie Porter
is the front runner to be the Democratic nominee for
the governor of California. She's poised to take.
Speaker 6 (01:01):
Over from Gavin and she was having what could only
be described as a fairly softball interview at CBS when
she completely lost her mind.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Let's roll that clip.
Speaker 7 (01:13):
What do you say to the forty percent of California
voters who you'll need.
Speaker 8 (01:16):
In order to win, who voted for Trump.
Speaker 9 (01:20):
How would I need them in order to win?
Speaker 7 (01:21):
Man, Well, unless you think you're going to get sixty
percent of the vote, you think you'll get sixty percent?
All everybody who did not vote for Trump will vote
for you, that's what you're.
Speaker 9 (01:30):
In a general election. Yes, if it is me versus
a Republican, I think that I will win the people
who did not vote for Trump.
Speaker 8 (01:37):
And if it's you versus another Democrat.
Speaker 9 (01:39):
I don't intend that to be the case.
Speaker 8 (01:41):
So how do you not intend that to be the case?
Do you? Are you going to ask them not to run?
Speaker 9 (01:46):
No? No, I'm saying I'm going to build the support. I
have the support already in terms of name recognition, and
so I'm going to do the very best I can
to make sure that we get through this primary in
a really strong position. But let me be clear with you.
I represented Orange County. I represented a purple area. I
have stood on my own two feet and one Republican
votes before. That's not something every candidate in this race
can say. If you're from a deep blue area, if
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you're from LA or you're from Oakland, you don't have
an experience.
Speaker 8 (02:11):
You just said you don't need those Trump voters.
Speaker 9 (02:13):
Well, you asked me if I need them to win?
Speaker 8 (02:15):
You don't.
Speaker 9 (02:15):
I think like this is unnecessarily argumentative. What is your question?
Speaker 7 (02:19):
The question is the same thing I asked everybody that
this is being called the empowering voters to stop Trump's
power grab. Every other candidate has answered this question.
Speaker 9 (02:28):
This is not and I said I support it.
Speaker 7 (02:31):
So and the question is what do you say to
the forty percent of voters who voted for Trump?
Speaker 9 (02:36):
Oh, I'm happy to say that. It's the do you
need them to win? Part that I don't understand. I'm
happy to answer the question aswer. The question is you
haven't written and all answer.
Speaker 7 (02:43):
And we've also asked the other candidates do you think
you need any of those forty percent of California voters
to win?
Speaker 8 (02:48):
And you're saying no, you don't.
Speaker 9 (02:49):
No, I'm saying I'm going to try to win every
vote I can. And what I'm saying to you.
Speaker 8 (02:54):
Is that, well, to those voters, Okay, so you I.
Speaker 9 (02:57):
Don't want to keep doing this. I'm going to call it.
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (03:02):
You're not going to do the interview with them.
Speaker 9 (03:04):
No, not like this. I'm not not with seven follow
ups to every single question you ask.
Speaker 8 (03:08):
Every other candidate has.
Speaker 9 (03:09):
I don't care. I don't care. I want to have
a pleasant, positive conversation which you asked me about every
issue on this list. And if every question you're going
to make up a follow up question, then we're never
going to get there and we're just going to circle away.
I've had to do this before ever.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
You've never had to have an anmation. Okay, but every
other candidate has done this.
Speaker 9 (03:33):
What part of I'm me? I'm reading for governor because
I'm a leader, So I am going to make so.
Speaker 8 (03:39):
You're not going to answer questions from reporters. Okay, why
don't we go through.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
I will continue to ask follow up questions because that's
my job as a journalist, but I will go through
and ask these and if you don't want to answer,
you don't want to answer, so nearly every legislative.
Speaker 9 (03:53):
I don't want to have an unhappy experience with you,
and I don't want this all on camera.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
I don't want to have an unhappy ax you either.
I would love to continue to ask these questions so
that we can show our viewers what every candidate feels
about every one of these issues that they care about,
and redistricting it's a massive issue. We're going to do
an entire story just on the responses to that question
and have asked everybody the same follow up question.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Hidden in that insanity was a normal answer that she
couldn't limit herself to.
Speaker 10 (04:22):
It's crazy, it's so embarrassing this this person is so
insufferable and so soft. The action is the question is simply,
forty percent of Californians voted for Trump.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
You're running to be governor.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
You might end up in a head to head with
a Republican, but regardless, what what do you think about
reaching out to those people? It's just analytics their own race,
and she can't do it.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah, she's like, don't need them, don't need them. And
you know what, I sort of get what she's saying.
She's like, why would I need forty percent when I
can get the sixty percent? Because ma'am, you might not
win that whole sixty Like hello, and that's what this
very nice reporter was trying to explain to her, Like,
then you're going to need the entire sixty in order
to win, and she's like, I'm going to get the
entire sixty you know. I was telling this story to
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somebody today and they were like, Oh, is that the
new CBS?
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Like, no, it's the old CBS. It's that very wise CBS.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
This is like, also, come on, I think this is
so revealing of the world in which California Democrats Democrats barely,
but California Democrats one state, one party rule in a state,
type of people in which they live, which is she
sees this reporter as her pr person.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
She's like, why are you messing up my moment?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
She says, and she says, I've never had to do
this ever.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You've never had to answer follow up question, a clarified
follow up question, yeah, to a very easy question to
start with, so that that's betraying something. She then says
she wants to have a positive interaction with this person.
That's not the reporter's job. She's being perfectly pleasant, but
that is not her job. And then she says, I'm
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calling it, ma'am. Do you know how a camera works.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
I can't call it. What are you talking about? She like,
I don't want to do this on camera. You already
did you did it on camera. It's too late, too late.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
This is just a I said this on Fox this morning.
This is the bare minimum for doing politics.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
It's just you have to think about all the voters
and you have to just at least entertain how you
might talk to all of them.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
They just don't know at all.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
And it's so bad for them. I know, we talked
about this all the time. It is so bad for
the Democrats that they are never challenged because when they
are challenge and the most peaceful.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Calm way, they lose the plot.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I will say, though she is not known for being
peaceful or calm.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
No.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Katie Porter's ex husband, who by the way, filed a
restraining order against her, says that she poured scalding mashed
potatoes on his head. Now, I know people say all
kinds of things when they're getting divorced, but that's pretty
darn specific.
Speaker 8 (07:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
She also famously berated at least one staffer for having
quote unquote given her COVID, and she goes real hard
in the texts on this poor woman, who I think
was breathed at.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
The time or something.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
There was something going on in that staffer's life, and
it's just brutal. And then I think we noted that
our friend Joshar got to I think two responses from
former Katie Porter staffers who were like, hey, imagine what
she's like with the cameras off.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yeah, that lady. I mean, good luck California because she
is the front runner.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
I do.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I think, like I always tell my kids that a
good attitude is like a huge part of succeeding in life.
And you know, you got to put a smile on
your face, you know, maybe and then they're going to
pull this video on me someday and be like, mom,
this woman became governor for.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
You who knows when they were being the president of
the United States, you know, who knows how far she will?
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Soar she was in the house.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
By the way, She'm on that Purple County for not
sniffing her out.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Like come on, where was that?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And like, by the way, this is a real Iraq
Iran situation. But I enjoy that Adam Schiff snaked her
out of the senator position, which is the last thing
she ran for.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
So she has lost before well she how it goes.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Yeah, I mean, look, I've always had a warm spot
for California. I you know, like I always like to
tell people, it used to be my plan B like
when New York. If New York would to go to shit,
I'd go to California.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Like what, that's a sweet thought, you summer child.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Yeah, so I love California.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
I would love to see it be a normal place
with normal people, Yeah, living normally.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
And it has so many normal people. And Steve Hilton
is the geoe. If there's other people in that primary
as well, it's a jungle primary, which means everything vote
for anyone in the primary, Democrat or Republican. Steve Hilton
is in their former Fox uh Fox. He's great, Yeah,
host and he's great. So that was the point that
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this reporter was trying to make. It's like you might
not necessarily be up against it, right, right, and then
you have to do more work, right, And she was like,
you might be up to get a Democrat. And she's like, well,
I'm gonna make sure that doesn't happen.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Like how you can add.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
By probably by being super mean to everyone and putting
mass potatoes.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Directing them with like cott mashed potatoes.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I just I I know this is.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Where we are, but what do better at California.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Peach what to peach that lady is.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Yeah, well, we're going to take a short break and
be right back with.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
More on Normally.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Welcome back to Normally, where our second topic is political violence.
There seems to be a lot of.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
It lately, and you know, people are kind of.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Losing the plot a little bit. And I know if
this is the second time I've used that phrase in
the last two segments, but it really feels like people
are losing it. A few days ago, a judge's home
exploded on a South Carolina island. She's a liberal South
Carolina judge, Diane Goodstein. Her home burnt to the ground,
her family barely escaped. Apparently she had gotten threats, although
(10:26):
we don't really know if that's true. A friend of mine,
who I like him a lot, and I'm not going
to call him out by name, but wrote to me
and said, a Jewish judge's home is burning in an
explosion that's been labeled Arsin less than a day after
Steven Miller tweeted that liberal judges are shielding an indirection
by left wing terrorists. Now you use your considerable platform
(10:47):
to condemn this, I was like, we don't even know
what happened, yet I like it could be a pre
Palestine lefty. We have no idea, Like, literally no idea
what happened here. I'm going to hold off and wait.
To my friend's credit, it turns out that it's not
oursin looks like it's not Arson, and he apologized, which
is the correct thing to do in that situation. But
this rush to judgment. Not everything that happens to political
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figures is going to have a political motive. And I
think we're in a moment right now where the left
is really hoping that some right wingers do some crazy
things so that they can point to it and be like, see,
you guys have a problem too, But it is all
mostly coming from one side. And while you guys wait
to find that, here's a story from Mary Catherine about
(11:33):
yet another left is it?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
It does seem at the moment this month, the demand
for right wing VI is outstripped, is really outstripping the supply,
And like, look, like you said, we could we could
see something different in the future, but this one, this
is from DC and I heard about this story, and
much like you, in the early going, I was like,
(11:55):
I'm not going to comment on that because it looks suspicious. Yeah,
but I don't know happened.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Here's what happened.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
A man arrested outside the annual Red Mass ceremony held
at Saint Matthew's Cathedral in DC had over two hundred
explosive devices in a tent on the church's stairs. According
to police Lewis Gary forty one, touted homemade explosives when
officers approached him on the step ahead of the service,
typically attended by Supreme Court justices to ring in a
new term. Devices were find found inside his front pocket
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and a backpack he was carrying on the scene, in
addition to a tent encampment set up in close proximity
to the cathedral, which side of the aisle likes tent encampments.
It turns out he's anti Scotus, anti Jew, anti Catholic.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
It just like when we don't know a right winger,
when we don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Pause, Yeah, when we do know, let's deal with it.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
And this one seems particularly scary, as I believe last
year at the Red Mass, at least three Conservative justices
attended that mass. So if you're looking to do damage,
as we know that at least one other would be
assassin has been looking to do and has now been
sentenced to only eight years in prison. Yep, by the way,
(13:11):
just a little idea, maybe you're incentivizing more of this
by not punishing it very dramatically exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
So that's what's going on there, and I want to
add this to it.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Nancy Pelosi was on Dana Bash's show this week, asked
about j Jones's texts, and let's just hear the rousing
condemnations she had for that.
Speaker 11 (13:34):
Should he get out of the race, that's up to
the people, the leaders in Virginia. They have said, he
has apologized. What I understand is they say that on
balance he's the better person to be attorney general. But
that's up to them. But I wish there would be
enough fuss of all the times that people have said
they were going to put a bullet in my head
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right in public, in the public.
Speaker 8 (13:59):
Because of that, which that's one of the reasons I
wanted to ask you that you are somebody who knows
all too well in in a horrific way, we.
Speaker 11 (14:07):
Have to get rid of that kind of language. I mean,
it's just not appropriate.
Speaker 9 (14:10):
If you were Abigail Spamberger, who's the Democrat running for
a governor, would you call on him to step beside?
Speaker 11 (14:15):
But she has to do. She's going to be governor.
She's running very well. Everybody's very proud of her candidacy.
And her race is her race, and her state is
her state, and it's up to her. I really don't
get involved in other people's races.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
That the mayor of New York that this of that.
Speaker 11 (14:32):
It's up to the people in that state. I respect
their judgment and wish them well.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So yeah, Nancy just says, like, on balance, I think
he's probably better than the normy Republican AG.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
That's what I've heard, so should be fine.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Yeah, I mean, it's totally fine. He just wants to
murder the children of his political opponents because the parents
were nice to moderate Democrats. I mean, it's just bananas.
As we're recording this, a man has been arrested for
setting the fires in California, A Florida man. Sorry, guys,
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but we don't know his politics yet, although they are
chomping at a bit to be like, well, it's from Florida,
so he must be a conservative. But it really also
betrays the whole climate change set this fire and I
want to hear some people maybe apologize for that, or
you know, have some thoughts about not immediately jumping to
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your issue of the moment in order to lay blame
for any natural disaster or horrific event. Take a pause,
take a beat, think it over, wait, refect. These are
all normal things to do when things go bad.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Take a pause. Twenty four hour rule.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Yeah, twenty four hour rules should actually be applied to everything.
Like when you get any kind of news, just give
it twenty four hours. You don't have to run with
us your version of events, right, Hey, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
This happens on so many immigrant stories too, which I
look into all of them, right, because I am concerned
with Ice overstepping.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I am concerned with Trump doing things you shouldn't do, and.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Invariably outside of like two of them, you come across so.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Much more pertinent pertinent information. Oh.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
By the way, two lefties were arrested for ramming ice
vehicles in the Chicago area and they were let out
on veail.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Right, And there's a story that's what they didn't step
in to help Ice, And that is really a misuse
of you know, government officials telling police to stand down
because they're anti ice.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Your political opinion shouldn't be involved with who the police
step into help. I think it's just atrocious Governor Pritzkers
using the police in a manner that I think people
are afraid that Donald Trump will use the police. And
you know it is so irony there as.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Well wait for your info.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah not, that's all right. We'll be right back with
more on normally where a Supreme Court case this should
be wrapping up in the next day or two on
the question of conversion therapy, but who's doing the converting.
We'll be right back. We are back on normally where
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the Child's versus Sala's our case is winding its way
through the Supreme Court.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
You know it's funny.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Why is Colorado the place where court cases involving free
speech and religious freedom seemed to be the norm. I mean,
there's the master Piece Cake Shop case, where of course
Jack Phillips was forced or you know, they wanted to
force him to bake the cake. There was also a
website designer who didn't want to make websites for same
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sex marriages because it violated her religious freedom. Supreme Court
ruled in her favor on that. And now Kayleie childs
as a therapist in Colorado, and she's at the center
of this case because she's a devout Christian and people
seek out her services because of her faith to talk
to their children who are having gender dysphoria.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
It's disturbing that the people of Colorado, people of faith
in Colorado, which is like used to be a normy state,
they have to go to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Like every time things settled.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
She's like, can I do my job? I don't know,
Let's go to the Supreme Court and figure it out.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
No.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I think this is like, this is one of those
tricky issues where a lot of places banned, say like
faith based conversion therapy for young gay kids, right or
for gay miners, right, And they would say that you
can't do that anymore. And it is an unpopular opinion.
But I've always thought that was a First Amendment issue
because if you aren't allowed to talk about this possibility
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versus another possibility, isn't that viewpoint discrimination And doesn't it
cut against people of faith in particular. So now we're
going to be testing it, at least in this in
this gender related area.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Yeah, you know, I have a column on this. I
think it should be out today Thursday in the New
York Post. But I actually say that there is not
a lot of evidence that you can convert people out
of being gay. So it really is a different thing,
because there's a lot of evidence that you can convert kids,
or not convert, but basically talk to them into accepting
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them their bodies as is. And there's a lot of
evidence that kids do outgrow that gender dysphoria. Kids don't
outgrow when they declare themselves gay. They generally don't outgrow that.
So those are really two different things. The other thing
is I think when people hear conversion therapy, I picture
the electroshock therapy of the sixties and seventies, Yeah, which
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also didn't work. So this is not that she's talking
to kids and making them accept their bodies as is,
which is really what we should want, right, I mean,
So in this case, Justice Sonya Soto, my you are
compared it to a dietitian telling an anorexic patient to
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engage in more restricted eating. But in my view, it's
the dietitian in this example is are all the therapists
who are telling these children that they are not in
the correct body and that they could take hormones, and
they can have surgery, and they could do all these
things to change their birth gender. You can't change that.
And no matter what you do, no matter how much
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you try, you remain the gender that you were born into.
It doesn't matter how you dress or how much makeup
you wear, any of it. You stay what you are.
So to me, the example here is child's is the
Dietitian From that example.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, this is it's disturbing to me as a mom.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And I know you guys wrote about this and stolen Use,
which is yours in Bethany Mandel's book the book and
Abi Yelschurer writes it about it as well.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
And it's not bad therapy. But there is this concern,
and I have it as a.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Normy right leaning mom of faith, is that these professional
associations that license therapists or states in this case, require
that they go down certain therapeutic paths exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, when maybe my kid just needs to talk to somebody.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
But as soon as I send my kid in there,
if your solution to their problem is that they might
be another gender, that's going to be a problem for me.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But if the professional association you're working with.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Or the state that you live in requires that that's
how you treat issues.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Then you're you're in a bind and the whole profession
is in trouble.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
All these licensing organizations, they make them handle problems in
a certain way. And I understand a Christian family in
Colorado would want to talk to a Christian therapist who
would have their same values and their same kind of
ideals and how she treats their child. The fact that
this has to get to the Supreme Court, like you said,
it's banana, is that Colorado just keeps pushing these people
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into it. Masterpiece Cake Shop is in another court case
where this time he didn't make a cake for a
transgender I believe, wedding. It just goes on and on
and on, and it's really wrong. I remember when Colorado
was a normal state. I worked in Colorado on the
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Bush two thousand and four campaign. It was a red state.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yes, No, there's so many great things in Colorado, including
friend of the show Kelly Maher, who does great work
out there. But the idea that these totally normal people
have to drag themselves to the Supreme Court and thank goodness.
There are good organizations like Allions Defending Freedom that take
up these cases so they don't break themselves having to
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do it. But you know, the emotional toll and the
financial toll, and the toll to their actual business that
they're trying to conduct on a day to day basis
is very, very high to get through these battles to
be like a semi public figure, which they never planned
on being before.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
We chose this life. They did not totally.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Yeah, we chose the stupid life.
Speaker 8 (23:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
She's just a therapist. She just wants to help kids.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
She just wants to talk to people and help them
with their problems. And there has to be more than
one way to do that. And it is a free
speech issue. Talk therapy should be the way that it
gets solved in these therapists office. It can't be one
way or no other way.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Well, it feels like an extension of sort of the
lefty college take on speech in general, which is like,
the truth is already decided. Yeah, the solution is already decided.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
And the discussion somebody must say, we can't talk about
it further.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
And the truth is both in a doctor's office, whether
it's COVID vaccines, or gender dysphoria, or in a college
setting you need to talk about it.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
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I am Mary Kaffers.
Speaker 4 (00:09):
And I am Carol Markolitz. How are you doing, Mary Catherine.
Speaker 5 (00:13):
We're doing all right.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We're having quite a week.
Speaker 5 (00:15):
Two kids with croup.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
One dog had surgery because the allegedly smartest dog on
the planet ate a microfiber towel.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So he lost his crown. He lost his crown.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Sometimes smart people and dogs do not so smart things.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's fine, We're fine, fine, we're getting through it. We're
getting through it all right. Dog's doing well, So we
got that going forward.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
We're rooting for the dog. Hoping the kids feel better soon.
And hope you're doing Hope you're holding up over there.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, we're all right.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Well, we've got sort of a California heavy episode of
both of our first topics touch on it. Katie Porter
is the front runner to be the Democratic nominee for
the governor of California. She's poised to take.
Speaker 6 (01:01):
Over from Gavin and she was having what could only
be described as a fairly softball interview at CBS when
she completely lost her mind.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Let's roll that clip.
Speaker 7 (01:13):
What do you say to the forty percent of California
voters who you'll need.
Speaker 8 (01:16):
In order to win, who voted for Trump.
Speaker 9 (01:20):
How would I need them in order to win?
Speaker 7 (01:21):
Man, Well, unless you think you're going to get sixty
percent of the vote, you think you'll get sixty percent?
All everybody who did not vote for Trump will vote
for you, that's what you're.
Speaker 9 (01:30):
In a general election. Yes, if it is me versus
a Republican, I think that I will win the people
who did not vote for Trump.
Speaker 8 (01:37):
And if it's you versus another Democrat.
Speaker 9 (01:39):
I don't intend that to be the case.
Speaker 8 (01:41):
So how do you not intend that to be the case?
Do you? Are you going to ask them not to run?
Speaker 9 (01:46):
No? No, I'm saying I'm going to build the support. I
have the support already in terms of name recognition, and
so I'm going to do the very best I can
to make sure that we get through this primary in
a really strong position. But let me be clear with you.
I represented Orange County. I represented a purple area. I
have stood on my own two feet and one Republican
votes before. That's not something every candidate in this race
can say. If you're from a deep blue area, if
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you're from LA or you're from Oakland, you don't have
an experience.
Speaker 8 (02:11):
You just said you don't need those Trump voters.
Speaker 9 (02:13):
Well, you asked me if I need them to win?
Speaker 8 (02:15):
You don't.
Speaker 9 (02:15):
I think like this is unnecessarily argumentative. What is your question?
Speaker 7 (02:19):
The question is the same thing I asked everybody that
this is being called the empowering voters to stop Trump's
power grab. Every other candidate has answered this question.
Speaker 9 (02:28):
This is not and I said I support it.
Speaker 7 (02:31):
So and the question is what do you say to
the forty percent of voters who voted for Trump?
Speaker 9 (02:36):
Oh, I'm happy to say that. It's the do you
need them to win? Part that I don't understand. I'm
happy to answer the question aswer. The question is you
haven't written and all answer.
Speaker 7 (02:43):
And we've also asked the other candidates do you think
you need any of those forty percent of California voters
to win?
Speaker 8 (02:48):
And you're saying no, you don't.
Speaker 9 (02:49):
No, I'm saying I'm going to try to win every
vote I can. And what I'm saying to you.
Speaker 8 (02:54):
Is that, well, to those voters, Okay, so you I.
Speaker 9 (02:57):
Don't want to keep doing this. I'm going to call it.
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (03:02):
You're not going to do the interview with them.
Speaker 9 (03:04):
No, not like this. I'm not not with seven follow
ups to every single question you ask.
Speaker 8 (03:08):
Every other candidate has.
Speaker 9 (03:09):
I don't care. I don't care. I want to have
a pleasant, positive conversation which you asked me about every
issue on this list. And if every question you're going
to make up a follow up question, then we're never
going to get there and we're just going to circle away.
I've had to do this before ever.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
You've never had to have an anmation. Okay, but every
other candidate has done this.
Speaker 9 (03:33):
What part of I'm me? I'm reading for governor because
I'm a leader, So I am going to make so.
Speaker 8 (03:39):
You're not going to answer questions from reporters. Okay, why
don't we go through.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
I will continue to ask follow up questions because that's
my job as a journalist, but I will go through
and ask these and if you don't want to answer,
you don't want to answer, so nearly every legislative.
Speaker 9 (03:53):
I don't want to have an unhappy experience with you,
and I don't want this all on camera.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
I don't want to have an unhappy ax you either.
I would love to continue to ask these questions so
that we can show our viewers what every candidate feels
about every one of these issues that they care about,
and redistricting it's a massive issue. We're going to do
an entire story just on the responses to that question
and have asked everybody the same follow up question.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Hidden in that insanity was a normal answer that she
couldn't limit herself to.
Speaker 10 (04:22):
It's crazy, it's so embarrassing this this person is so
insufferable and so soft. The action is the question is simply,
forty percent of Californians voted for Trump.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
You're running to be governor.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
You might end up in a head to head with
a Republican, but regardless, what what do you think about
reaching out to those people? It's just analytics their own race,
and she can't do it.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah, she's like, don't need them, don't need them. And
you know what, I sort of get what she's saying.
She's like, why would I need forty percent when I
can get the sixty percent? Because ma'am, you might not
win that whole sixty Like hello, and that's what this
very nice reporter was trying to explain to her, Like,
then you're going to need the entire sixty in order
to win, and she's like, I'm going to get the
entire sixty you know. I was telling this story to
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somebody today and they were like, Oh, is that the
new CBS?
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Like, no, it's the old CBS. It's that very wise CBS.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
This is like, also, come on, I think this is
so revealing of the world in which California Democrats Democrats barely,
but California Democrats one state, one party rule in a state,
type of people in which they live, which is she
sees this reporter as her pr person.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
She's like, why are you messing up my moment?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
She says, and she says, I've never had to do
this ever.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You've never had to answer follow up question, a clarified
follow up question, yeah, to a very easy question to
start with, so that that's betraying something. She then says
she wants to have a positive interaction with this person.
That's not the reporter's job. She's being perfectly pleasant, but
that is not her job. And then she says, I'm
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calling it, ma'am. Do you know how a camera works.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
I can't call it. What are you talking about? She like,
I don't want to do this on camera. You already
did you did it on camera. It's too late, too late.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
This is just a I said this on Fox this morning.
This is the bare minimum for doing politics.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
It's just you have to think about all the voters
and you have to just at least entertain how you
might talk to all of them.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
They just don't know at all.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
And it's so bad for them. I know, we talked
about this all the time. It is so bad for
the Democrats that they are never challenged because when they
are challenge and the most peaceful.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Calm way, they lose the plot.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I will say, though she is not known for being
peaceful or calm.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
No.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Katie Porter's ex husband, who by the way, filed a
restraining order against her, says that she poured scalding mashed
potatoes on his head. Now, I know people say all
kinds of things when they're getting divorced, but that's pretty
darn specific.
Speaker 8 (07:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
She also famously berated at least one staffer for having
quote unquote given her COVID, and she goes real hard
in the texts on this poor woman, who I think
was breathed at.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
The time or something.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
There was something going on in that staffer's life, and
it's just brutal. And then I think we noted that
our friend Joshar got to I think two responses from
former Katie Porter staffers who were like, hey, imagine what
she's like with the cameras off.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yeah, that lady. I mean, good luck California because she
is the front runner.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
I do.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I think, like I always tell my kids that a
good attitude is like a huge part of succeeding in life.
And you know, you got to put a smile on
your face, you know, maybe and then they're going to
pull this video on me someday and be like, mom,
this woman became governor for.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
You who knows when they were being the president of
the United States, you know, who knows how far she will?
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Soar she was in the house.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
By the way, She'm on that Purple County for not
sniffing her out.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Like come on, where was that?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And like, by the way, this is a real Iraq
Iran situation. But I enjoy that Adam Schiff snaked her
out of the senator position, which is the last thing
she ran for.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
So she has lost before well she how it goes.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Yeah, I mean, look, I've always had a warm spot
for California. I you know, like I always like to
tell people, it used to be my plan B like
when New York. If New York would to go to shit,
I'd go to California.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Like what, that's a sweet thought, you summer child.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Yeah, so I love California.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
I would love to see it be a normal place
with normal people, Yeah, living normally.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
And it has so many normal people. And Steve Hilton
is the geoe. If there's other people in that primary
as well, it's a jungle primary, which means everything vote
for anyone in the primary, Democrat or Republican. Steve Hilton
is in their former Fox uh Fox. He's great, Yeah,
host and he's great. So that was the point that
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this reporter was trying to make. It's like you might
not necessarily be up against it, right, right, and then
you have to do more work, right, And she was like,
you might be up to get a Democrat. And she's like, well,
I'm gonna make sure that doesn't happen.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Like how you can add.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
By probably by being super mean to everyone and putting
mass potatoes.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Directing them with like cott mashed potatoes.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I just I I know this is.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Where we are, but what do better at California.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Peach what to peach that lady is.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Yeah, well, we're going to take a short break and
be right back with.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
More on Normally.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Welcome back to Normally, where our second topic is political violence.
There seems to be a lot of.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
It lately, and you know, people are kind of.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Losing the plot a little bit. And I know if
this is the second time I've used that phrase in
the last two segments, but it really feels like people
are losing it. A few days ago, a judge's home
exploded on a South Carolina island. She's a liberal South
Carolina judge, Diane Goodstein. Her home burnt to the ground,
her family barely escaped. Apparently she had gotten threats, although
(10:26):
we don't really know if that's true. A friend of mine,
who I like him a lot, and I'm not going
to call him out by name, but wrote to me
and said, a Jewish judge's home is burning in an
explosion that's been labeled Arsin less than a day after
Steven Miller tweeted that liberal judges are shielding an indirection
by left wing terrorists. Now you use your considerable platform
(10:47):
to condemn this, I was like, we don't even know
what happened, yet I like it could be a pre
Palestine lefty. We have no idea, Like, literally no idea
what happened here. I'm going to hold off and wait.
To my friend's credit, it turns out that it's not
oursin looks like it's not Arson, and he apologized, which
is the correct thing to do in that situation. But
this rush to judgment. Not everything that happens to political
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figures is going to have a political motive. And I
think we're in a moment right now where the left
is really hoping that some right wingers do some crazy
things so that they can point to it and be like, see,
you guys have a problem too, But it is all
mostly coming from one side. And while you guys wait
to find that, here's a story from Mary Catherine about
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yet another left is it?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
It does seem at the moment this month, the demand
for right wing VI is outstripped, is really outstripping the supply,
And like, look, like you said, we could we could
see something different in the future, but this one, this
is from DC and I heard about this story, and
much like you, in the early going, I was like,
(11:55):
I'm not going to comment on that because it looks suspicious. Yeah,
but I don't know happened.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Here's what happened.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
A man arrested outside the annual Red Mass ceremony held
at Saint Matthew's Cathedral in DC had over two hundred
explosive devices in a tent on the church's stairs. According
to police Lewis Gary forty one, touted homemade explosives when
officers approached him on the step ahead of the service,
typically attended by Supreme Court justices to ring in a
new term. Devices were find found inside his front pocket
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and a backpack he was carrying on the scene, in
addition to a tent encampment set up in close proximity
to the cathedral, which side of the aisle likes tent encampments.
It turns out he's anti Scotus, anti Jew, anti Catholic.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
It just like when we don't know a right winger,
when we don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Pause, Yeah, when we do know, let's deal with it.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
And this one seems particularly scary, as I believe last
year at the Red Mass, at least three Conservative justices
attended that mass. So if you're looking to do damage,
as we know that at least one other would be
assassin has been looking to do and has now been
sentenced to only eight years in prison. Yep, by the way,
(13:11):
just a little idea, maybe you're incentivizing more of this
by not punishing it very dramatically exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
So that's what's going on there, and I want to
add this to it.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Nancy Pelosi was on Dana Bash's show this week, asked
about j Jones's texts, and let's just hear the rousing
condemnations she had for that.
Speaker 11 (13:34):
Should he get out of the race, that's up to
the people, the leaders in Virginia. They have said, he
has apologized. What I understand is they say that on
balance he's the better person to be attorney general. But
that's up to them. But I wish there would be
enough fuss of all the times that people have said
they were going to put a bullet in my head
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right in public, in the public.
Speaker 8 (13:59):
Because of that, which that's one of the reasons I
wanted to ask you that you are somebody who knows
all too well in in a horrific way, we.
Speaker 11 (14:07):
Have to get rid of that kind of language. I mean,
it's just not appropriate.
Speaker 9 (14:10):
If you were Abigail Spamberger, who's the Democrat running for
a governor, would you call on him to step beside?
Speaker 11 (14:15):
But she has to do. She's going to be governor.
She's running very well. Everybody's very proud of her candidacy.
And her race is her race, and her state is
her state, and it's up to her. I really don't
get involved in other people's races.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
That the mayor of New York that this of that.
Speaker 11 (14:32):
It's up to the people in that state. I respect
their judgment and wish them well.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So yeah, Nancy just says, like, on balance, I think
he's probably better than the normy Republican AG.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
That's what I've heard, so should be fine.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Yeah, I mean, it's totally fine. He just wants to
murder the children of his political opponents because the parents
were nice to moderate Democrats. I mean, it's just bananas.
As we're recording this, a man has been arrested for
setting the fires in California, A Florida man. Sorry, guys,
(15:05):
but we don't know his politics yet, although they are
chomping at a bit to be like, well, it's from Florida,
so he must be a conservative. But it really also
betrays the whole climate change set this fire and I
want to hear some people maybe apologize for that, or
you know, have some thoughts about not immediately jumping to
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your issue of the moment in order to lay blame
for any natural disaster or horrific event. Take a pause,
take a beat, think it over, wait, refect. These are
all normal things to do when things go bad.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Take a pause. Twenty four hour rule.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Yeah, twenty four hour rules should actually be applied to everything.
Like when you get any kind of news, just give
it twenty four hours. You don't have to run with
us your version of events, right, Hey, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
This happens on so many immigrant stories too, which I
look into all of them, right, because I am concerned
with Ice overstepping.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I am concerned with Trump doing things you shouldn't do, and.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Invariably outside of like two of them, you come across so.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Much more pertinent pertinent information. Oh.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
By the way, two lefties were arrested for ramming ice
vehicles in the Chicago area and they were let out
on veail.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Right, And there's a story that's what they didn't step
in to help Ice, And that is really a misuse
of you know, government officials telling police to stand down
because they're anti ice.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Your political opinion shouldn't be involved with who the police
step into help. I think it's just atrocious Governor Pritzkers
using the police in a manner that I think people
are afraid that Donald Trump will use the police. And
you know it is so irony there as.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Well wait for your info.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah not, that's all right. We'll be right back with
more on normally where a Supreme Court case this should
be wrapping up in the next day or two on
the question of conversion therapy, but who's doing the converting.
We'll be right back. We are back on normally where
(17:19):
the Child's versus Sala's our case is winding its way
through the Supreme Court.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
You know it's funny.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Why is Colorado the place where court cases involving free
speech and religious freedom seemed to be the norm. I mean,
there's the master Piece Cake Shop case, where of course
Jack Phillips was forced or you know, they wanted to
force him to bake the cake. There was also a
website designer who didn't want to make websites for same
(17:46):
sex marriages because it violated her religious freedom. Supreme Court
ruled in her favor on that. And now Kayleie childs
as a therapist in Colorado, and she's at the center
of this case because she's a devout Christian and people
seek out her services because of her faith to talk
to their children who are having gender dysphoria.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
It's disturbing that the people of Colorado, people of faith
in Colorado, which is like used to be a normy state,
they have to go to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Like every time things settled.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
She's like, can I do my job? I don't know,
Let's go to the Supreme Court and figure it out.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
No.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I think this is like, this is one of those
tricky issues where a lot of places banned, say like
faith based conversion therapy for young gay kids, right or
for gay miners, right, And they would say that you
can't do that anymore. And it is an unpopular opinion.
But I've always thought that was a First Amendment issue
because if you aren't allowed to talk about this possibility
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versus another possibility, isn't that viewpoint discrimination And doesn't it
cut against people of faith in particular. So now we're
going to be testing it, at least in this in
this gender related area.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Yeah, you know, I have a column on this. I
think it should be out today Thursday in the New
York Post. But I actually say that there is not
a lot of evidence that you can convert people out
of being gay. So it really is a different thing,
because there's a lot of evidence that you can convert kids,
or not convert, but basically talk to them into accepting
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them their bodies as is. And there's a lot of
evidence that kids do outgrow that gender dysphoria. Kids don't
outgrow when they declare themselves gay. They generally don't outgrow that.
So those are really two different things. The other thing
is I think when people hear conversion therapy, I picture
the electroshock therapy of the sixties and seventies, Yeah, which
(19:44):
also didn't work. So this is not that she's talking
to kids and making them accept their bodies as is,
which is really what we should want, right, I mean,
So in this case, Justice Sonya Soto, my you are
compared it to a dietitian telling an anorexic patient to
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engage in more restricted eating. But in my view, it's
the dietitian in this example is are all the therapists
who are telling these children that they are not in
the correct body and that they could take hormones, and
they can have surgery, and they could do all these
things to change their birth gender. You can't change that.
And no matter what you do, no matter how much
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you try, you remain the gender that you were born into.
It doesn't matter how you dress or how much makeup
you wear, any of it. You stay what you are.
So to me, the example here is child's is the
Dietitian From that example.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, this is it's disturbing to me as a mom.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And I know you guys wrote about this and stolen Use,
which is yours in Bethany Mandel's book the book and
Abi Yelschurer writes it about it as well.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
And it's not bad therapy. But there is this concern,
and I have it as a.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Normy right leaning mom of faith, is that these professional
associations that license therapists or states in this case, require
that they go down certain therapeutic paths exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, when maybe my kid just needs to talk to somebody.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
But as soon as I send my kid in there,
if your solution to their problem is that they might
be another gender, that's going to be a problem for me.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But if the professional association you're working with.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Or the state that you live in requires that that's
how you treat issues.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Then you're you're in a bind and the whole profession
is in trouble.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
All these licensing organizations, they make them handle problems in
a certain way. And I understand a Christian family in
Colorado would want to talk to a Christian therapist who
would have their same values and their same kind of
ideals and how she treats their child. The fact that
this has to get to the Supreme Court, like you said,
it's banana, is that Colorado just keeps pushing these people
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into it. Masterpiece Cake Shop is in another court case
where this time he didn't make a cake for a
transgender I believe, wedding. It just goes on and on
and on, and it's really wrong. I remember when Colorado
was a normal state. I worked in Colorado on the
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Bush two thousand and four campaign. It was a red state.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yes, No, there's so many great things in Colorado, including
friend of the show Kelly Maher, who does great work
out there. But the idea that these totally normal people
have to drag themselves to the Supreme Court and thank goodness.
There are good organizations like Allions Defending Freedom that take
up these cases so they don't break themselves having to
(22:47):
do it. But you know, the emotional toll and the
financial toll, and the toll to their actual business that
they're trying to conduct on a day to day basis
is very, very high to get through these battles to
be like a semi public figure, which they never planned
on being before.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
We chose this life. They did not totally.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Yeah, we chose the stupid life.
Speaker 8 (23:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
She's just a therapist. She just wants to help kids.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
She just wants to talk to people and help them
with their problems. And there has to be more than
one way to do that. And it is a free
speech issue. Talk therapy should be the way that it
gets solved in these therapists office. It can't be one
way or no other way.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Well, it feels like an extension of sort of the
lefty college take on speech in general, which is like,
the truth is already decided. Yeah, the solution is already decided.
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And the discussion somebody must say, we can't talk about
it further.
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And the truth is both in a doctor's office, whether
it's COVID vaccines, or gender dysphoria, or in a college
setting you need to talk about it.
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