May 13, 2025 • 29 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz discuss their Mother's Day experiences, delve into Trump's agreeing to receiving a jet from Qatar, and express concerns about Qatar's influence. They also analyze Trump's prescription drug pricing proposal and conclude with a discussion on SNL's recent comedic direction, highlighting a shift towards more relatable content. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, we are back on normally the show with normal,
which takes for when the news gets weird.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I am Mary Katherine Ham and I'm Karl Markowitz. How
was your mother with Daniline? Catherine?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
You know, it was good. I had some fun time
on my own. I had some fun time with the kids,
went to a little barbecue in the evening. Took some
of the kids with me, not the young ones because
there they couldn't stay out that late.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
But we had.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
We had a good old time and I got like
lots of little homemade goodies from my kiddos.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Very nice.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I just realized I haven't read their cards yet.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
You got to get on that. How is yours?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It was great. We had a beach day and then
we went to dinner at a restaurant called Malco, which
I think you and I were at in Tel Aviv.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
It was fantastic, really delicious. If anyone's ever in West Palm,
I highly recommend it.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Very nice.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
And as you and I always say, train your kids
early to go to the restaurant and not be on
a tablet.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Yeah, it is difficult.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Climb the mountain, and then you get the payoff after
you climbed the mountain.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well, I would even say I see kids on the
tablet on the beach and that actually more bananas hurts
my heart.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, my gosh, oh goodness.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Well, in addition to our wholesome weekend, Trump was cooking
up some stuff as always. On Sunday, I was on
Howie Kurtz's Media Buzz on Fox, and I'm just going
to throw to a SoundBite of myself assessing Trump's weekend activities.
I actually on every Monday just spend some time catching
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up on weird ideas Trump had over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Some of them I really do not like. This is
our cross bear. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I was like yesterday I was seeing things break and
I was like, you know what, it's Mother's Day. I'm
not doing this right now, yep.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I was like, I will learn it all well tomorrow.
I'm not focusing on Katari airplanes right now, yep.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
But we have since focused on Katari airplanes, and.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
We will talk about this story in which.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
The apparently the gout Our government at some point has
proffered a jet that could become air Force one as
possibly a gift to the Trump administration, which would in theory,
be refurbished, become Air Force one, and then go with
him to his library at some point. That those are
(02:35):
the basic outlines. Now, there's a lot of fighting about
the details here.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yes, how details matter, and so we'll try to get
into that here. But it is a confusing scandal because
on one hand, the White House is like, Hey, we're
getting this four hundred million dollar plane from Qatar, Qatar
or whatever.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
They're doing it in.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Full compliance, out in the open. And you're like, well,
if this was somehow illegal or untoward, they wouldn't be
doing it this openly, right, they wouldn't be showing it
to us. But I really don't know what's a thing.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, I my gut says, this seems like a very
bad idea.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yes, now the reason they're doing it, I think. Actually
one of the things.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I've learned from this story is the continuing saga of
what the heck is going on with Boeing?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Right right, because Comfortably Smug unearthed the Wall Street Journal
story from a few days ago that Boeing is apparently
supposed to be making a new Air Force one and
they are very far behind on that.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yea, So they were supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Their key project, right, Yeah, well they.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Were supposed to maybe deliver it last year. Trump wants
an updated Air Force one. The other Air Force one
is aging, Like there are two jets that are aging.
Boeing won a three point n nine billion dollar contract
but is now years behind schedule and billions of dollars
over budget. That's Josh Dassy with the Wall Street Journal
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reporting on that it's a series of supplier, engineering and
manufacturing setbacks. So Trump, being Trump, is impatient for a
nicer aircraft. He's rightly annoyed with Foeing he gets offered
something for free. But here's where I think Trump doesn't
all doesn't always rarely thinks through the moral implications of
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the security implications of something that he could easily do
as a businessman and private citizen. Right, taking a gift
as a businessman and private citizen, fine, But the cutter
government is not a friend to us. And taking what
could be some weird booby trapped seven or seven from
them that we then have to retrofit to fit the
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needs of the actual leader of the free world sounds
dicey to me.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, and he kind makes it seem like if you
think it sounds icy, you're stupid.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, I don't think I am.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
And this is a thing that concerns me too, which
is that Trump, and has always concerned me about Trump,
is that when he is treated really nicely feted by
a foreign government, he responds to that. He responds that
just as he does in personal interactions. And so when
he's offered this giant gift free of charge, he's like,
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there is a possibility that he's nicer to them, that
he's kinder to them, And I don't want him being
kinder to the kataris.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Right, right. He loves to be loved. We've talked about
that on here before. It's absolutely a negative, I think
because it allows you to be captured, just even emotionally
by people. I think we've seen it happen to him.
And again, it doesn't matter where you stand on the
issue necessarily, Like I think Kim Kardashian did that in
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the first term. I think she was very nice to him,
posed for all the pictures with him, got what she wanted.
And even if you're for that, you know the plan
that they worked on together to have non violent criminals released,
you still can see where her maneuvering on it was
very emotion spase.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And this is my argument for Democrats from the beginning.
It's that y'all should have normalized him from day one,
because you can walk it. If you can get access
to him in his office and you can put something
in his ear, he may decide that that's the greatest
thing he's ever heard. Like that is just part of
how this works. Donald Trump on truth says, so the
fact that the Defense Department is getting a gift free
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of charge of a seven to forty seven aircraft to
replace the forty year old Air Force one temporarily in
a very public and transparent transaction, so bothers the crooked
Democrats that they insist we pay top dollar for the plane.
Anybody can do that. The Dems are world class losers,
magalliate the potential savings. I believe we'll be paying for
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the Boeing planes as well while this is happening.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, he's got a point about the public and transparent
part of this transaction. Again, I think that he took
away an argument from Democrats on this, and I think
they're scrambling around right now for something to say other
than Qatar is not our friend. And I don't think
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that they really have something that the initial thing that
they went for and that they always accused Trump of
is being a scammer and just kind of taking advantage
of the office, and that's tougher to do here because
of the transparency.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, I also think Democrats have trouble arguing on these grounds.
This is like Democrats getting super mad quote unquote about
the Pope picture. It's like, guys, we don't believe that
you care about the reverence toward the Catholic Church or
the Pope, so using that against him is not effective
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in this case. We don't always believe that you guys
aren't keen on talking to all of our adversaries at
all times and giving them, I don't know, Iran palettes
of cash, so it's harder to make the argument. I
do think this is one of those situations where you
just suck it up and pay for the thing that
you need and you don't put yourself in a position
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where you can have this, you know, hung on you.
And also like, what are we getting out of Cutter?
What is happening with Cutter. There's reports that are very
early that he's going to end up in Cutter as
part of this deal for Edan Alexander, the Americans still
in Gaza, who I'm very excited as being released, But
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what kind of folks are.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
We having with these people?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
And they need to be extremely stern and clear eyed
and not about the interior of a seven to forty seven.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, so I try to give the Trump administration the
benefit of the doubt on kind of You know, there's
a story right now that Eden Alexander, when he is released,
he'll be taken to Qatars to meet with Trump. I
hope that that story is wrong. It isn't sourced super well,
so I don't know if it's true. It's also just
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very hard because there's a lot of internal politics that
maybe we were not going to get super into on here.
But in Israel, the families of the hostages are fairly
left leaning and they hate net Nyahu, and there is
this kind of undercurrent of that and a lot of
the things that happen. For example, there was a story
(09:48):
last week about that Steve Whitkoff, the negotiator from the
United States, said that Israel doesn't want to end the war.
And then I saw this headline and I was like,
my god, this is not a good story. But then
you go into the story and it's like third hand
families of the hostages say Israel doesn't want to end
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the war, which has been their line all along on Netanyah.
So again, I think when people hear things about Israel,
they have to understand that they have their own internal
politics that we're not privy to, and that the stories
you might be hearing might not be exactly what you think.
So that's why I kind of give the Trump administration
(10:30):
some leeway on the stories that come out on this.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, and I would say proceed with caution with most
of the stories that come out.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Of this Middle East trip.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Wait for verification for anything you find to be, you know,
really wild, because.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
There are going to be weirdly sourced stories.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
There are going to be people trying to grind access
on all sides of all domestic policy exactly in the
countries that he is visiting, so our press, which is
legendarily untrustworthy. So just as this trip is ongoing, I
would keep a grain of salt with you at all
times exactly so we'll we'll find out more about this.
(11:15):
My general gut is like you should probably turn this
down and deal toughly with Cutter about the fact that
they're Hamas's buddies on the world stage and what can
we do about that, and the fact that they still
have all these.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Hostages exactly that is, you know, I think, as usual,
we're pretty aligned on this. I hope that the Trump
administration turns this down. I hope they realize that the
outcry is very pointed and specific to Qatar. They are
not our friend.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
This new rehabbing of Qatar is really not for me.
I think that they are in a lot of ways.
The problems that we have in America, a lot of
them you can trace back to Qatari influence. I think
that the the mobs that we see on campus, the
kind of anti American rhetoric, a lot of that is
paid for by Qatar, and we need to open eyed
(12:09):
about it.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, I think it's a It's an important point that
Cutter in particular has a record of buying people that
they're buying education, They're buying educational institutions. They're buying people
and institutions all over this country in an attempt to
influence us in a different direction. So maybe stay away
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from that. We have another fun idea from over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
You want to read this one.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Oh my gosh, you know another another case. If I
saw this yesterday, I was like, this is going to
have to be tomorrow's problems.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
We'll be right back on normally.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
So here's Donald Trump's truth, and I'll read it in
full so that you have all of it. For many years,
the world has wondered why prescription drugs and pharmaceuticals in
the United States of America were so much high in
price than they were in any other nation, sometimes being
five to ten times more expensive than the same drug
manufactured in the same exact laboratory or plant by the
same company, many many question marks. It was always difficult
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to explain and very embarrassing because in fact there was
no correct or rightful answer. The pharmaceutical drug companies would
say for years that it was research and development costs,
and that all of these costs were and would be
for no reason whatsoever, borne by the suckers of America alone.
Campaign contributions can do wonders, but not with me, and
not with the Republican Party. We are going to do
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the right thing, something that Democrats have fought for many years. Therefore,
I am pleased to announce that tomorrow morning, this is Monday,
in the White House at nine am, I will be
signing one of the most consequential executive orders in our
country's history. Protection prescription drug and pharmaceutical prices will be
reduced all caps almost immediately by thirty to eighty percent.
They will rise throughout the world in order to equalize
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and for the first time in many years, bring fairness
to America. I will be in shooting a most Favored
Nations policy, whereby the United States will pay the same
price as the nation that pays the lowest price anywhere
in the world. Our country will finally be treated fairly,
and our citizens healthcare costs will be reduced by numbers
never even thought of before. Additionally, on top of everything else,
the United States will save tillions of dollars. Thank you
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for your attention to this matter. That's my favorite part
of all these. Yeah, make America great again.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Okay, there's a lot going on. There are there a.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Lot of drugs that are currently price capped. I can't
find a lot of information on this. It's also it's
so hard because the arguments kind of around this are
so ridiculous. They're just like from the left, it's like
pharmaceutical companies make too much money and so we need
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to limit that. I don't get a sense that the
left knows how to oppose this either, because they're basically
Trump's doing what Bernie Sanders has dreamed doing. But it
is it is a giant problem for us because I
think when Americans here that other countries are paying less
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than we are, it is unfair. It doesn't seem right. However,
there's a way that drug prices are determined, and our
system is so fractured. We have all these different entities
that determine the prices, whereas these European countries have just
the one entity because they're of socialized, registine system. We
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just have a different system, and I'm not sure how
this gets aligned.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yes, I would start by conceding that, yes, our healthcare
system has many, many problems, and I understand why people
are upset about that, particularly when they hear that, like
in Canada, across the border, they're paying so much less
for the same drugs. Right one, I think we both
agree that we're very unsure whether he has the power
to do any the central control, whether it's on tariffs
(16:05):
or these price controls. I'm not a fan of the
market is generally smarter at doing this, and to the
extent that we have pain in this country is it's
because there's less of a free market than there.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Should be for these things, and he's trying to make.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
It less free marketing, which is that's not the direction
I want to be going. I think the problem with
this is that, like all things, with all goods, if
everyone becomes a socialist, the good disappears, right, Okay, So
the same is true with pharmaceuticals. We do forty to
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fifty percent of pharmaceutical research and development in this country,
one hundred billion here and two hundred billion in the
world globally according to recent estimates.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
So that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
You would lose some of that if you cap prices
on too many things, because it's just like a it's
like a Hollywood studio, right, Some movies are tent poles,
and then you make other things that are less lucrative,
and you're able to invest in those things that might
have a long term research in to it, right, and
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you might lose some of that as opportunity costs if
you're capping the cost of everything. Because the pharmaceutical company says, well,
now we can only make these number of things, and
that will affect the whole world. The other problem we
have is that we just have a third party payer
system that is not quite socialist but sort of Frankenstein socialist.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
And the result is that no one knows what anything
should cost ever, nor bears the price of it, because
there's all though an intermediary, and so the market can't
work to bring down prices in the way that it
would otherwise.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Right. So the thing is that Trump tried this in
his first term as well. He tried establishing most favored
nation pricing for Medicare, and it didn't work out. It
was September twenty twenty, so he was nearing sort of
the end of his road. But the idea was to
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bring pharmaceutical companies to the bargaining table to negotiate better deals.
I wouldn't be totally shocked if that was the point
here too. I wonder if pharmaceutical companies will do that
instead of taking the Trump administration to court and saying
you're actually not allowed to set our prices. So if
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it ends up that this is a negotiating technique, like
a lot of what Trump does. I guess I'll be
happy about it. I don't love the government telling private
companies what they can do. I think that that takes
us down a dangerous road. It's not going to be
just pharmaceutical companies. What other goods do we absolutely need
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in the government? Thing too much for it's a dangerous
place to be. Having said all that, he did win
on this populous thing that I know you and I
are not super fond of. But he did run on
this right, He ran the first In his first campaign,
he kept saying this phrase that would make me crazy,
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but it was We're going to take care of everybody, right,
And I was like, Oh, this is so not Republican
or a conservative to say we're going to take care
of everyone the government. That's not supposed to be taking
care of everyone. That's not the role. But people love
it and people want it, and if conservatives want something else,
we need to be making the better argument for it.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, No, to that point, the message is going to
be popular and liberals are going to be annoyed at
how popular it is, and both sides will be annoyed
at me because I'll be like, this isn't.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Going to work, and it's not that it won't work.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
You can force people into putting price caps on things,
and there are things that exist. I believe there's a
price cap on insulin, for instance. But you can force
people to do price caps. You just lose other things
in the process, and you end up with less innovation
and you end up with fewer drugs. And some people
would say, well, farm is bad anyway, and I don't
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trust them, but like, look, farma.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Does a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
They don't just do the things that you're suspicious of.
They do a lot of work on rare diseases, on
things that are really hurting people, on genetic disorders that
you could improve, and we see a lot of.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Those innovations regularly.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
And you do really run the risk when you socialize
things of coming up with far less of that, or
of supplies being way lower than they would otherwise be.
That's where you end up in Canada, where you have
socialized medicine and you can't get a surgery, or you
can't get a scan, or you can't get the drug
you need, so.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
It has costs.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
You're just advertising you're going to fix all of this,
and then the costs are apparent later.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, well we'll see what happens again. If one more thing, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
I must blame the Libs for this from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Blame because it's not that part of this.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Absolutely, because the reason we have a Frankenstein situation in
the first place and people don't just pay their health
insurance or pay their health care is because in the thirties,
the Libs were like, you know what, we got to
put wage and price controls on companies so that they
can't pay their employees what they want to pay them.
And when they did that, employers responded by adding healthcare
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plans to their packages of compensation to make up for
that and recruit good talent. So it starts with price
controls and it ends with price controls.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Stop doing it.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Word to your mother. Absolutely, we're going to take a
short break and come right back with Normally. We're going
to end on a lighter topic because I think we
got you know, we had two very complicated into the
weeds topics, but I thought that we had to do
those snl is what are they trying to do? Are
they trying to appeel to Americans, like all Americans, not
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just super lefty Americans?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
It's crazy, right, But two times in the past year
or so they have done skits about the Founding that
people who like The Founding and America have found very enjoyable.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
So this weekend they had.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
In the past it's been Nate Bargatzi playing George Washington
and that went super viral. This time it's Walton Goggins,
who's one of my favorite actors. I am just so
excited that this weird Georgia boy became an actor with
his big teeth and his crazy accent and hair. He's
on white lotus, he's on righteous gymstones, all sorts of
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stuff got his career started and justified, which was a
sort of like famous cable net series. At any rate,
he hosts SNL this weekend and they have him as
a founder.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Of sorts in the room. It's in the room while
they're writing the Bill of Rights? Shall we hear that?
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Now?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
What shall we discuss next? What is the second most
important principle of our nation? Guns?
Speaker 6 (23:12):
Excuse me, Gune, I don't hate that, well I do.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
It's ridiculous. So what is your name? Matt?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Matt?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
What Matt?
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Don't you worry about it?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Well?
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Matt?
Speaker 3 (23:33):
What will posterity say of us if the second right
we enshrine in this document is simply guns that.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
We don't play.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Damn, that's actually kind of sick.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yes, no, no, no, the idea is ludicrous.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Wait now, hold on.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
I mean we did just make a law that said
anyone can say whatever crazy stuff they want, right, maybe
this gun would kind of balance that out.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Lingo Okay, yes, but by the same token, wouldn't having
a gun emboldened people to say crazy stuff as well?
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Bro?
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Whoa yeah, what makes that make sense?
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Gentlemen?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
We cannot just have an amendment that says guns, but
what about guns?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Having them.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Smart?
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Like?
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Who is this guy?
Speaker 6 (24:28):
Why is it he running this?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Matt? I am open to discussing guns for a later amendment,
but I must insist we move on to a more
pressing concern.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
You're screaming, sir, where are you from?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Exactly America?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
But where in America?
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Which state.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Are United One?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I love it. I mean, the thing is that they
don't end up making some sort of leftist argument there,
which rising I kept waiting for it. It just comes
off as like, yeah, this is what we did because
we are bad.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
You know, It's.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Great and Walton Goggins is the perfect person to deliver
this message. No, I enjoyed it so much because it feels,
as you say, celebratory. It feels like good natured poking
fun at the sort of very wild nature and beginnings
of American freedom.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
And I'm here for that.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
And I know that I think liberals do sometimes have
trouble understanding why we like being like fun being poked when.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
It's actually funny.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Right. I just enjoy this very much, just as I
did the George Washington thing, because there are ridiculous things
about our founding that if you put pen to paper
and have somebody actually funny and normal doing it, it
comes out great.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Right. It's comedy for most of the country. And I
think SNL or if other late night shows would get
back to that, they would see success. They would see
kind of that we're not so separate and that laughing
at ourselves is important. I think we've talked about it
on here before. But Nate Brigazzi, who you mentioned as
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one of the other founding father skits on Saturday Night Live,
his comedy is so normal, it's not at all political.
It's so just about America and just for all of us.
I love it.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
He was profiled in Esquire this week because he has
this brand new book out called Big Dumb Eyes, which
is going gangbusters. But his stats are insane, it says
last year in Nate I got to the forty six
year old comedian from Tennessee sold more tickets to his
stand up shows than anyone in comedy, including Jerry Seinfeld,
Dave Chappelle, and Sebastian Menscalgo combined. That's more than one
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million tickets for an eighty million dollar hall. In October,
he has Saturday Live for the second time in twelve months.
Two months later, his third hour long comedy special for
Netflix premiered. Every week you can hear his musings on
the Nateland podcast, and then his book came out. He
in this interview, and I'm so pleased to hear it
because I think of him as sort of king of
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the normies and.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Totally, yes, that's a perfect description.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Kay's he's clean, his comedy is clean. I can watch
his specials with my kids.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
I do.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
He's just goofing on his normal life.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
He's married, he has he has faith, but it's not
explicitly like family friendly comedy. And it's not religious comedy,
it's just comedy.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I didn't realize that it was family friendly comedy for
a long time. Only like after a while did I realize, like, oh,
my kids are watching this with me. There's no cursing,
there's no sex, there's no like explicit content at all.
And yeah, he's just fantastic. I have tickets to show.
I'm one of those people who bought the tickets.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, and he's he's also thinking about starting a production
company for normy content and a theme park for the
normies to visit. So he's like, is he our generations
Dolly Parton? Possibly, but again, like I think he's even
less right coded than Dolly Parton is now. Dolly Parton
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is universally loved at this point, but she is specifically
faith based, and you know, her theme park has a
lot of that running through it.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
He says.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
When he's talking about producing things, he's like, I just
want to do things that normal people could enjoy. And
he says it's not explicitly religious. He says, like they're
just not going to be navel gazing, weirdo signaling right
at pieces. And I love that someone this powerful is
interested in doing this, and the reason he's powerful is
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because the market of normis is huge.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Exactly exactly stuff for the normies, and you will succeed.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I just want to note one fact check for the
SNL guys, which is appropriate. They're lefty guy in the
founding representing their point of view, gets it wrong and says,
we just wrote a law saying that people can say
whatever they want.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
It's a bill of.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Rights comes from God above, does not come from the government,
and is not granted by the government. But you know,
we all I'm sure that the left leaning audience of
SNL learned a little something about the Second Amendment anyway.
I just want to point out not a lot.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Of guys they're doing their best over them, they're like, what.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Is interesting anyway, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
We'll get to the federal's papers later, but you know
they're getting started well.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
I am Mary Katherine Ham and I'm Karl Markowitz. How
was your mother with Daniline? Catherine?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
You know, it was good. I had some fun time
on my own. I had some fun time with the kids,
went to a little barbecue in the evening. Took some
of the kids with me, not the young ones because
there they couldn't stay out that late.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
But we had.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
We had a good old time and I got like
lots of little homemade goodies from my kiddos.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Very nice.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I just realized I haven't read their cards yet.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
You got to get on that. How is yours?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It was great. We had a beach day and then
we went to dinner at a restaurant called Malco, which
I think you and I were at in Tel Aviv.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
It was fantastic, really delicious. If anyone's ever in West Palm,
I highly recommend it.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Very nice.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
And as you and I always say, train your kids
early to go to the restaurant and not be on
a tablet.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Yeah, it is difficult.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Climb the mountain, and then you get the payoff after
you climbed the mountain.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well, I would even say I see kids on the
tablet on the beach and that actually more bananas hurts
my heart.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, my gosh, oh goodness.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Well, in addition to our wholesome weekend, Trump was cooking
up some stuff as always. On Sunday, I was on
Howie Kurtz's Media Buzz on Fox, and I'm just going
to throw to a SoundBite of myself assessing Trump's weekend activities.
I actually on every Monday just spend some time catching
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up on weird ideas Trump had over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Some of them I really do not like. This is
our cross bear. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I was like yesterday I was seeing things break and
I was like, you know what, it's Mother's Day. I'm
not doing this right now, yep.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I was like, I will learn it all well tomorrow.
I'm not focusing on Katari airplanes right now, yep.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
But we have since focused on Katari airplanes, and.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
We will talk about this story in which.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
The apparently the gout Our government at some point has
proffered a jet that could become air Force one as
possibly a gift to the Trump administration, which would in theory,
be refurbished, become Air Force one, and then go with
him to his library at some point. That those are
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the basic outlines. Now, there's a lot of fighting about
the details here.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yes, how details matter, and so we'll try to get
into that here. But it is a confusing scandal because
on one hand, the White House is like, Hey, we're
getting this four hundred million dollar plane from Qatar, Qatar
or whatever.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
They're doing it in.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Full compliance, out in the open. And you're like, well,
if this was somehow illegal or untoward, they wouldn't be
doing it this openly, right, they wouldn't be showing it
to us. But I really don't know what's a thing.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, I my gut says, this seems like a very
bad idea.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yes, now the reason they're doing it, I think. Actually
one of the things.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I've learned from this story is the continuing saga of
what the heck is going on with Boeing?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Right right, because Comfortably Smug unearthed the Wall Street Journal
story from a few days ago that Boeing is apparently
supposed to be making a new Air Force one and
they are very far behind on that.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yea, So they were supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Their key project, right, Yeah, well they.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Were supposed to maybe deliver it last year. Trump wants
an updated Air Force one. The other Air Force one
is aging, Like there are two jets that are aging.
Boeing won a three point n nine billion dollar contract
but is now years behind schedule and billions of dollars
over budget. That's Josh Dassy with the Wall Street Journal
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reporting on that it's a series of supplier, engineering and
manufacturing setbacks. So Trump, being Trump, is impatient for a
nicer aircraft. He's rightly annoyed with Foeing he gets offered
something for free. But here's where I think Trump doesn't
all doesn't always rarely thinks through the moral implications of
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the security implications of something that he could easily do
as a businessman and private citizen. Right, taking a gift
as a businessman and private citizen, fine, But the cutter
government is not a friend to us. And taking what
could be some weird booby trapped seven or seven from
them that we then have to retrofit to fit the
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needs of the actual leader of the free world sounds
dicey to me.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, and he kind makes it seem like if you
think it sounds icy, you're stupid.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, I don't think I am.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
And this is a thing that concerns me too, which
is that Trump, and has always concerned me about Trump,
is that when he is treated really nicely feted by
a foreign government, he responds to that. He responds that
just as he does in personal interactions. And so when
he's offered this giant gift free of charge, he's like,
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there is a possibility that he's nicer to them, that
he's kinder to them, And I don't want him being
kinder to the kataris.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Right, right. He loves to be loved. We've talked about
that on here before. It's absolutely a negative, I think
because it allows you to be captured, just even emotionally
by people. I think we've seen it happen to him.
And again, it doesn't matter where you stand on the
issue necessarily, Like I think Kim Kardashian did that in
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the first term. I think she was very nice to him,
posed for all the pictures with him, got what she wanted.
And even if you're for that, you know the plan
that they worked on together to have non violent criminals released,
you still can see where her maneuvering on it was
very emotion spase.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And this is my argument for Democrats from the beginning.
It's that y'all should have normalized him from day one,
because you can walk it. If you can get access
to him in his office and you can put something
in his ear, he may decide that that's the greatest
thing he's ever heard. Like that is just part of
how this works. Donald Trump on truth says, so the
fact that the Defense Department is getting a gift free
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of charge of a seven to forty seven aircraft to
replace the forty year old Air Force one temporarily in
a very public and transparent transaction, so bothers the crooked
Democrats that they insist we pay top dollar for the plane.
Anybody can do that. The Dems are world class losers,
magalliate the potential savings. I believe we'll be paying for
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the Boeing planes as well while this is happening.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, he's got a point about the public and transparent
part of this transaction. Again, I think that he took
away an argument from Democrats on this, and I think
they're scrambling around right now for something to say other
than Qatar is not our friend. And I don't think
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that they really have something that the initial thing that
they went for and that they always accused Trump of
is being a scammer and just kind of taking advantage
of the office, and that's tougher to do here because
of the transparency.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, I also think Democrats have trouble arguing on these grounds.
This is like Democrats getting super mad quote unquote about
the Pope picture. It's like, guys, we don't believe that
you care about the reverence toward the Catholic Church or
the Pope, so using that against him is not effective
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in this case. We don't always believe that you guys
aren't keen on talking to all of our adversaries at
all times and giving them, I don't know, Iran palettes
of cash, so it's harder to make the argument. I
do think this is one of those situations where you
just suck it up and pay for the thing that
you need and you don't put yourself in a position
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where you can have this, you know, hung on you.
And also like, what are we getting out of Cutter?
What is happening with Cutter. There's reports that are very
early that he's going to end up in Cutter as
part of this deal for Edan Alexander, the Americans still
in Gaza, who I'm very excited as being released, But
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what kind of folks are.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
We having with these people?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
And they need to be extremely stern and clear eyed
and not about the interior of a seven to forty seven.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, so I try to give the Trump administration the
benefit of the doubt on kind of You know, there's
a story right now that Eden Alexander, when he is released,
he'll be taken to Qatars to meet with Trump. I
hope that that story is wrong. It isn't sourced super well,
so I don't know if it's true. It's also just
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very hard because there's a lot of internal politics that
maybe we were not going to get super into on here.
But in Israel, the families of the hostages are fairly
left leaning and they hate net Nyahu, and there is
this kind of undercurrent of that and a lot of
the things that happen. For example, there was a story
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last week about that Steve Whitkoff, the negotiator from the
United States, said that Israel doesn't want to end the war.
And then I saw this headline and I was like,
my god, this is not a good story. But then
you go into the story and it's like third hand
families of the hostages say Israel doesn't want to end
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the war, which has been their line all along on Netanyah.
So again, I think when people hear things about Israel,
they have to understand that they have their own internal
politics that we're not privy to, and that the stories
you might be hearing might not be exactly what you think.
So that's why I kind of give the Trump administration
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some leeway on the stories that come out on this.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, and I would say proceed with caution with most
of the stories that come out.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Of this Middle East trip.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Wait for verification for anything you find to be, you know,
really wild, because.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
There are going to be weirdly sourced stories.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
There are going to be people trying to grind access
on all sides of all domestic policy exactly in the
countries that he is visiting, so our press, which is
legendarily untrustworthy. So just as this trip is ongoing, I
would keep a grain of salt with you at all
times exactly so we'll we'll find out more about this.
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My general gut is like you should probably turn this
down and deal toughly with Cutter about the fact that
they're Hamas's buddies on the world stage and what can
we do about that, and the fact that they still
have all these.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Hostages exactly that is, you know, I think, as usual,
we're pretty aligned on this. I hope that the Trump
administration turns this down. I hope they realize that the
outcry is very pointed and specific to Qatar. They are
not our friend.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
This new rehabbing of Qatar is really not for me.
I think that they are in a lot of ways.
The problems that we have in America, a lot of
them you can trace back to Qatari influence. I think
that the the mobs that we see on campus, the
kind of anti American rhetoric, a lot of that is
paid for by Qatar, and we need to open eyed
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about it.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, I think it's a It's an important point that
Cutter in particular has a record of buying people that
they're buying education, They're buying educational institutions. They're buying people
and institutions all over this country in an attempt to
influence us in a different direction. So maybe stay away
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from that. We have another fun idea from over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
You want to read this one.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Oh my gosh, you know another another case. If I
saw this yesterday, I was like, this is going to
have to be tomorrow's problems.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
We'll be right back on normally.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
So here's Donald Trump's truth, and I'll read it in
full so that you have all of it. For many years,
the world has wondered why prescription drugs and pharmaceuticals in
the United States of America were so much high in
price than they were in any other nation, sometimes being
five to ten times more expensive than the same drug
manufactured in the same exact laboratory or plant by the
same company, many many question marks. It was always difficult
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to explain and very embarrassing because in fact there was
no correct or rightful answer. The pharmaceutical drug companies would
say for years that it was research and development costs,
and that all of these costs were and would be
for no reason whatsoever, borne by the suckers of America alone.
Campaign contributions can do wonders, but not with me, and
not with the Republican Party. We are going to do
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the right thing, something that Democrats have fought for many years. Therefore,
I am pleased to announce that tomorrow morning, this is Monday,
in the White House at nine am, I will be
signing one of the most consequential executive orders in our
country's history. Protection prescription drug and pharmaceutical prices will be
reduced all caps almost immediately by thirty to eighty percent.
They will rise throughout the world in order to equalize
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and for the first time in many years, bring fairness
to America. I will be in shooting a most Favored
Nations policy, whereby the United States will pay the same
price as the nation that pays the lowest price anywhere
in the world. Our country will finally be treated fairly,
and our citizens healthcare costs will be reduced by numbers
never even thought of before. Additionally, on top of everything else,
the United States will save tillions of dollars. Thank you
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for your attention to this matter. That's my favorite part
of all these. Yeah, make America great again.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Okay, there's a lot going on. There are there a.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Lot of drugs that are currently price capped. I can't
find a lot of information on this. It's also it's
so hard because the arguments kind of around this are
so ridiculous. They're just like from the left, it's like
pharmaceutical companies make too much money and so we need
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to limit that. I don't get a sense that the
left knows how to oppose this either, because they're basically
Trump's doing what Bernie Sanders has dreamed doing. But it
is it is a giant problem for us because I
think when Americans here that other countries are paying less
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than we are, it is unfair. It doesn't seem right. However,
there's a way that drug prices are determined, and our
system is so fractured. We have all these different entities
that determine the prices, whereas these European countries have just
the one entity because they're of socialized, registine system. We
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just have a different system, and I'm not sure how
this gets aligned.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yes, I would start by conceding that, yes, our healthcare
system has many, many problems, and I understand why people
are upset about that, particularly when they hear that, like
in Canada, across the border, they're paying so much less
for the same drugs. Right one, I think we both
agree that we're very unsure whether he has the power
to do any the central control, whether it's on tariffs
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or these price controls. I'm not a fan of the
market is generally smarter at doing this, and to the
extent that we have pain in this country is it's
because there's less of a free market than there.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Should be for these things, and he's trying to make.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
It less free marketing, which is that's not the direction
I want to be going. I think the problem with
this is that, like all things, with all goods, if
everyone becomes a socialist, the good disappears, right, Okay, So
the same is true with pharmaceuticals. We do forty to
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fifty percent of pharmaceutical research and development in this country,
one hundred billion here and two hundred billion in the
world globally according to recent estimates.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
So that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
You would lose some of that if you cap prices
on too many things, because it's just like a it's
like a Hollywood studio, right, Some movies are tent poles,
and then you make other things that are less lucrative,
and you're able to invest in those things that might
have a long term research in to it, right, and
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you might lose some of that as opportunity costs if
you're capping the cost of everything. Because the pharmaceutical company says, well,
now we can only make these number of things, and
that will affect the whole world. The other problem we
have is that we just have a third party payer
system that is not quite socialist but sort of Frankenstein socialist.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
And the result is that no one knows what anything
should cost ever, nor bears the price of it, because
there's all though an intermediary, and so the market can't
work to bring down prices in the way that it
would otherwise.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Right. So the thing is that Trump tried this in
his first term as well. He tried establishing most favored
nation pricing for Medicare, and it didn't work out. It
was September twenty twenty, so he was nearing sort of
the end of his road. But the idea was to
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bring pharmaceutical companies to the bargaining table to negotiate better deals.
I wouldn't be totally shocked if that was the point
here too. I wonder if pharmaceutical companies will do that
instead of taking the Trump administration to court and saying
you're actually not allowed to set our prices. So if
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it ends up that this is a negotiating technique, like
a lot of what Trump does. I guess I'll be
happy about it. I don't love the government telling private
companies what they can do. I think that that takes
us down a dangerous road. It's not going to be
just pharmaceutical companies. What other goods do we absolutely need
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in the government? Thing too much for it's a dangerous
place to be. Having said all that, he did win
on this populous thing that I know you and I
are not super fond of. But he did run on
this right, He ran the first In his first campaign,
he kept saying this phrase that would make me crazy,
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but it was We're going to take care of everybody, right,
And I was like, Oh, this is so not Republican
or a conservative to say we're going to take care
of everyone the government. That's not supposed to be taking
care of everyone. That's not the role. But people love
it and people want it, and if conservatives want something else,
we need to be making the better argument for it.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, No, to that point, the message is going to
be popular and liberals are going to be annoyed at
how popular it is, and both sides will be annoyed
at me because I'll be like, this isn't.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Going to work, and it's not that it won't work.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
You can force people into putting price caps on things,
and there are things that exist. I believe there's a
price cap on insulin, for instance. But you can force
people to do price caps. You just lose other things
in the process, and you end up with less innovation
and you end up with fewer drugs. And some people
would say, well, farm is bad anyway, and I don't
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trust them, but like, look, farma.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Does a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
They don't just do the things that you're suspicious of.
They do a lot of work on rare diseases, on
things that are really hurting people, on genetic disorders that
you could improve, and we see a lot of.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Those innovations regularly.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
And you do really run the risk when you socialize
things of coming up with far less of that, or
of supplies being way lower than they would otherwise be.
That's where you end up in Canada, where you have
socialized medicine and you can't get a surgery, or you
can't get a scan, or you can't get the drug
you need, so.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
It has costs.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
You're just advertising you're going to fix all of this,
and then the costs are apparent later.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, well we'll see what happens again. If one more thing, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
I must blame the Libs for this from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Blame because it's not that part of this.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Absolutely, because the reason we have a Frankenstein situation in
the first place and people don't just pay their health
insurance or pay their health care is because in the thirties,
the Libs were like, you know what, we got to
put wage and price controls on companies so that they
can't pay their employees what they want to pay them.
And when they did that, employers responded by adding healthcare
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plans to their packages of compensation to make up for
that and recruit good talent. So it starts with price
controls and it ends with price controls.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Stop doing it.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Word to your mother. Absolutely, we're going to take a
short break and come right back with Normally. We're going
to end on a lighter topic because I think we
got you know, we had two very complicated into the
weeds topics, but I thought that we had to do
those snl is what are they trying to do? Are
they trying to appeel to Americans, like all Americans, not
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just super lefty Americans?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
It's crazy, right, But two times in the past year
or so they have done skits about the Founding that
people who like The Founding and America have found very enjoyable.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
So this weekend they had.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
In the past it's been Nate Bargatzi playing George Washington
and that went super viral. This time it's Walton Goggins,
who's one of my favorite actors. I am just so
excited that this weird Georgia boy became an actor with
his big teeth and his crazy accent and hair. He's
on white lotus, he's on righteous gymstones, all sorts of
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stuff got his career started and justified, which was a
sort of like famous cable net series. At any rate,
he hosts SNL this weekend and they have him as
a founder.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Of sorts in the room. It's in the room while
they're writing the Bill of Rights? Shall we hear that?
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Now?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
What shall we discuss next? What is the second most
important principle of our nation? Guns?
Speaker 6 (23:12):
Excuse me, Gune, I don't hate that, well I do.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
It's ridiculous. So what is your name? Matt?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Matt?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
What Matt?
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Don't you worry about it?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Well?
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Matt?
Speaker 3 (23:33):
What will posterity say of us if the second right
we enshrine in this document is simply guns that.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
We don't play.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Damn, that's actually kind of sick.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yes, no, no, no, the idea is ludicrous.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Wait now, hold on.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
I mean we did just make a law that said
anyone can say whatever crazy stuff they want, right, maybe
this gun would kind of balance that out.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Lingo Okay, yes, but by the same token, wouldn't having
a gun emboldened people to say crazy stuff as well?
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Bro?
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Whoa yeah, what makes that make sense?
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Gentlemen?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
We cannot just have an amendment that says guns, but
what about guns?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Having them.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Smart?
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Like?
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Who is this guy?
Speaker 6 (24:28):
Why is it he running this?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Matt? I am open to discussing guns for a later amendment,
but I must insist we move on to a more
pressing concern.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
You're screaming, sir, where are you from?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Exactly America?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
But where in America?
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Which state.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Are United One?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I love it. I mean, the thing is that they
don't end up making some sort of leftist argument there,
which rising I kept waiting for it. It just comes
off as like, yeah, this is what we did because
we are bad.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
You know, It's.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Great and Walton Goggins is the perfect person to deliver
this message. No, I enjoyed it so much because it feels,
as you say, celebratory. It feels like good natured poking
fun at the sort of very wild nature and beginnings
of American freedom.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
And I'm here for that.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
And I know that I think liberals do sometimes have
trouble understanding why we like being like fun being poked when.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
It's actually funny.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Right. I just enjoy this very much, just as I
did the George Washington thing, because there are ridiculous things
about our founding that if you put pen to paper
and have somebody actually funny and normal doing it, it
comes out great.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Right. It's comedy for most of the country. And I
think SNL or if other late night shows would get
back to that, they would see success. They would see
kind of that we're not so separate and that laughing
at ourselves is important. I think we've talked about it
on here before. But Nate Brigazzi, who you mentioned as
(26:18):
one of the other founding father skits on Saturday Night Live,
his comedy is so normal, it's not at all political.
It's so just about America and just for all of us.
I love it.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
He was profiled in Esquire this week because he has
this brand new book out called Big Dumb Eyes, which
is going gangbusters. But his stats are insane, it says
last year in Nate I got to the forty six
year old comedian from Tennessee sold more tickets to his
stand up shows than anyone in comedy, including Jerry Seinfeld,
Dave Chappelle, and Sebastian Menscalgo combined. That's more than one
(26:56):
million tickets for an eighty million dollar hall. In October,
he has Saturday Live for the second time in twelve months.
Two months later, his third hour long comedy special for
Netflix premiered. Every week you can hear his musings on
the Nateland podcast, and then his book came out. He
in this interview, and I'm so pleased to hear it
because I think of him as sort of king of
(27:16):
the normies and.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Totally, yes, that's a perfect description.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Kay's he's clean, his comedy is clean. I can watch
his specials with my kids.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
I do.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
He's just goofing on his normal life.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
He's married, he has he has faith, but it's not
explicitly like family friendly comedy. And it's not religious comedy,
it's just comedy.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I didn't realize that it was family friendly comedy for
a long time. Only like after a while did I realize, like, oh,
my kids are watching this with me. There's no cursing,
there's no sex, there's no like explicit content at all.
And yeah, he's just fantastic. I have tickets to show.
I'm one of those people who bought the tickets.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, and he's he's also thinking about starting a production
company for normy content and a theme park for the
normies to visit. So he's like, is he our generations
Dolly Parton? Possibly, but again, like I think he's even
less right coded than Dolly Parton is now. Dolly Parton
(28:26):
is universally loved at this point, but she is specifically
faith based, and you know, her theme park has a
lot of that running through it.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
He says.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
When he's talking about producing things, he's like, I just
want to do things that normal people could enjoy. And
he says it's not explicitly religious. He says, like they're
just not going to be navel gazing, weirdo signaling right
at pieces. And I love that someone this powerful is
interested in doing this, and the reason he's powerful is
(28:55):
because the market of normis is huge.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Exactly exactly stuff for the normies, and you will succeed.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I just want to note one fact check for the
SNL guys, which is appropriate. They're lefty guy in the
founding representing their point of view, gets it wrong and says,
we just wrote a law saying that people can say
whatever they want.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
It's a bill of.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Rights comes from God above, does not come from the government,
and is not granted by the government. But you know,
we all I'm sure that the left leaning audience of
SNL learned a little something about the Second Amendment anyway.
I just want to point out not a lot.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Of guys they're doing their best over them, they're like, what.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Is interesting anyway, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
We'll get to the federal's papers later, but you know
they're getting started well.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
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