October 21, 2025 • 32 mins
Mary Katherine Ham and Karol Markowicz break down the cultural and political crosscurrents shaping this election season. From local movements in Virginia and New Jersey to broader national trends, they explore how activism, accountability, and education are influencing voter attitudes. The conversation also looks abroad—examining Europe’s troubling rise in anti-Semitism and contrasting it with America’s response to cultural and political divides. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Yuys.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Yeah, that's normally.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
You're sure what normally it takes the when you me
Ki's weird. I am very Captani.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Carol Markoitz, How was your weekend, Mary Captain?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
It was pretty good. It was busy, but you know,
I'm trying. I try to get some Halloween decorations up.
That's correct, it is October twentieth. But the great thing
about that is that you get a lot of things
half price if you wait till October twentieth.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
So, oh, it's the plus and minuses. One year, I
waited too late and there was nothing left. Yes, like
you know, that's the minus part of that. Ours go
up October first, and I'm talking like, you know, September thirtieth.
My kids are like, can we.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Get them up?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Well, you know, we don't have the Christmas decorations.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah. I love Halloween. I love Halloween, but I do
feel like as a child, Halloween and Christmas were very
far apart, and as an adult they are not. So
sometimes I'm just like, I'm tired, We're gonna do one
of these.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, I don't know. My kids would so do Christmas
decorations if we allowed them. My daughter's always like, I
don't understand why they get to have the sparkly lights
they do.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
You have a lot of sparkly lights.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Nothing will do with Jesus, I can't.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Eat alrighty, so well, shall we talk about the sparkly
events over the weekend? All right? Everybody gathered for the
No King's Marches, No King's Day? Are they calling it
that at any rate? People of the left who object
to Donald Trump and people of the rights who have
joined them went out to protest this weekend. Look, I
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think the left often gets too much credit for being
mostly peaceful, as we saw in twenty twenty, But it
looks like this went off mostly without a hitch, which
makes me glad. I like to see people out doing
their speech, without blocking roads, without hurting people, without taking
janitor's hostage like they did on Ivy League campuses during
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the post October seventh, you know, anti Semitic protests and whatnot.
Like I'm on board with that part.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I mean, it's like the rock bottom we could expect
from these people.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
We're like, look at.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You guys, no violence.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So good.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Oh they accomplished that, you know. I try to be
careful about just like the collective guilt. There were some
nasty signs out there, one in particular, several like encouraging violence,
speakers encouraging violence. As we've noted on the show, one
way you can tell that the left has not denounced
political violence is that people like Angela Davis show up
to speak at their events and on all their Instagram
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feeds they've praised Asada Chakur like these people are politically
violent people who have been convicted. That's political violence. So
there's that. But there were some nasty signs, one in
particular that said what heals faster Trump's ear or Erica's heart,
and that one the widow bullying Nope, I want no
part of it.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Like what do the people around her think? Are they
like great sign or are they like, ma'am hurting the cause?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I mean, I don't think anyone thinks they're hurting the cause.
And this is like, this is one of those things
where I think the left pays a much smaller lower
price for that kind of messaging than the right does.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So look, we're like celebrating their like lack of violence, right,
you know, they get away with so much.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Well, and I would just like the standard to be
the same right, where if you have a right leaning
event and you have errant signs as you did during
the tea party, right, they don't make that the whole
characterization of the entire event, but you know, that's what
they did during the tea party years. I would like
the standard to be the same, but it doesn't seem
to be.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, it was a very old people event, which is
interesting because we think of the left as young. Right there,
it's the whole if you're not, you know, a communist,
when you're not when you're eighteen, you have no heart,
if you're not a whatever the actual quote is, if
you're not a conservative when you're there, you have no brain. Right, Yeah,
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but it just was so old. It was these boomer libs,
and it's almost like they had nothing else going on,
and they were like, hey, there's a protest, Like, let's
go do that. Peter J. Hassen had a great He's
been tweeting all about the fact that there is such
an old contingency in these protests, and he pointed out
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one story where a seventy five year old said she
skipped her granddaughter's soccer game to attend the protest because
she wants to ensure her granddaughter has a future. I
would want to ensure the granddaughter has a grandma who
cares about this. And she was wearing the hooded robe
and wide brimmed bonnet from handmaid's tail, because of course
she was. This was a costume party for her. Go
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to your granddaughter's soccer game? What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah, I agree, I agree with that perspective. Look, we
are not really a protest culture now, those of us
on the right. It's not our thing. And I'm glad
because I don't really want to be doing it.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, there was thank you for that.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
It was. Yes, they are very old. You can see
the shift both in racial and age demographics for the
left of this becoming a very affluent, older white party.
One picture stood out in particular of Birmingham, Alabama, where
the population is almost seventy percent black, and it was
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an all white picture. I'm not gonna say it all
white march, but it was an all white picture, which
is statistically very tough.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
So much kinder than they would be to us, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I Now, I did enjoy one person's comment under it
that was, like, not one person in this picture can
make cornbread properly. But like that, there is a real
shift happening and you can see it in these protests.
And look, those people have energy. It may be that
now I think those are people that they already have
on their side. Are those people registering voters in Virginia
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and New Jersey? Are they knocking on doors in Virginia
and New Jersey? I would suggest they do it without
the racial and violence promoting signs that they like to carry.
Are they winning people to their side? I don't know,
but there's something, there's something to the energy itself, even
if it's not being converted. I suppose.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I think this messaging is off the mark. And because
I'm on the opposite side from them, I'm not looking
to give them advice. But I would say the pea
hats from twenty sixteen made far more sense than this
notings thing. Yea, and like that was like Donald Trump
is anti women, we are going to wear these pink
hats and you know, show him and there was a
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different energy around it. This is it just doesn't make sense.
He is not I wouldn't say, overstepping into anything authoritarian.
Any court cases that rule against him, he accepts them,
not like Jo Biden with the student loan where he
just said I'm going to do it anyway. I'm going
to pay off these student loans, despite the fact that
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the Supreme Court told me no. That was far more
authoritarian to me. I think the messaging is just oft
and I think this is why they're not getting young people,
because young people are like, what are you even talking about?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah, it's also well, young people also remember, and this
is I think the root of some of the shift
right among those young people. Remember a time during COVID
when your government literally wouldn't let you leave your house
to protest their COVID regulations. So like, maybe there's a
little bit of dissonance there for them because they've seen authoritarianism.
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By the way, Trump was in charge for part of
that and should have encouraged states not to do that.
I think it is genuinely very funny that there are
international no Kings rallies, but they can't call them no
kings because they have literal kings. Yeah, that's just very funny.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Let me just read what the Democrats abroad said about that.
They said, a few notes, we've changed the no Kings
theme of other events around the world to no tyrants
so as not to mix messages in a country with
a monarchy. Yeah, George Conway, a husband of Kelly and Conway,
who was Trump's campaign manager and counselor during his first term,
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was at one of the events in a I Am
Antifa shirt and let me tell you, I cringed so
hard seeing him there. It was really just, dude, what
are you doing? Like I don't get it, Like we've
talked about it on here before, but if I just
hate the politician. And look, I didn't like Donald Trump
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in twenty sixteen. I you know, it took a while
definitely come around to him. I didn't swap out all
of my beliefs. I didn't become antifa. No, right, Molly Hemingway,
who actually is like the sweetest person in the world,
So it's funny that she took this like super personal
shot at him. But she said, not to be all authoritarian,
but the person who died George Conway's hair should probably
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be imprison for the.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Rest I mean. So there's a piece in the argument
today entitled and thinks it does protest too much entitled
no Kings wasn't cringe And the picture is of you know,
of forty to fifty something liberal woman with a tri
cornered hat and an American flag and her sciences king
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free since seventeen seventy six. The subhead of this piece
is needing to seem cool in the face of authoritarian takeover?
Is cringe? Okay? Point taken? Like, I actually do think
that's legit.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
If you're a little cringe while you're objecting to your government,
while you're redressing your grievances, fine, this is like what
we've done forever. I'm not super mad at you. I
do think with the George Conway of it all, I mean,
I've told you this before. We're all nerds, right, people
select for this business who are narcissists and nerds. Actually
that's like sort of the group we have. But I
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was the drum major of my marching band, and I
would just beg of you to be like a little cooler,
just just a little bit. And also this embrace of
the Founding is totally transactional. Yeah, yeah, they are not
interested in the Founding. And in fact, ten to fifteen
years ago, when Conservatives wore tri cornered hats and carried
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seventy six signs, they were called backwards, cringe, racist, whatever
the thing was of the day. So again, it's not
that consistent about what makes a successful or good or
appropriate message at these things.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, and look again, you're much nicer than me.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I know.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I'm just like, let's call it fringe and it be right.
There's you know, if you're angry about what your government
is doing and you feel like you got to get
out there in the streets, it's so not me. Have
I've just never been a protester. I don't know, I
don't get it. I don't think that I just don't
get my anger out that way. Yes, this is really
what it is.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Oh, can I say one more thing because I commented
on this today. I think it was Morgan Freeman who
said his kid was like, will we get shot at
the gathering today? And again this is a thread that
has gone through a lot of liberal communities. It is
a mark of virtue to scare the crap out of
your children, right, And I would just like to say
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it's the opposite of virtue. My children have lived through
all the things that Morgan freemancy. By the way, I
had know Morgan had young children. That's all amazing. He
has young children. And my kids have lived through all
the same things as this young lady has, and you
shouldn't convince them that going out in the streets would
lead to that. You shouldn't put all of your adult
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anxieties on them. You should have some adult perspective about
what is real danger and what is not. And somehow
I have children who know that a person we know
got murdered doing my literal job a month ago, but
I have not turned that into their identity.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, exactly, it's bad parenting.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
It's so bad.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It isn't don't scare your children. Don't make them think
that they can get killed for protesting in America and
anything else. Don't don't make them think they could die
of climate change.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Like, yes, we'll put your one.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, Like you know, you know when you say we're nerds, Like,
there's a lot of different kinds of nerds. My my
daughter's math and science nerds. She finds are nerding, so bizarre.
Why do you guys care about this?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Why?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Well?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And the speeches, well, and we do have real problems,
which is why we, like I try to grant grace
in general to protest movements, even though people don't grant
it to ours. We do have real problems. But if
you have convinced your children, who live in the most
free and most prosperous society in the history of the world,
that they are in constant danger of penury and punishment,
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then you're going the wrong direction. Man.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Absolutely, We're going to take a short break and come
back with news out of the Blue States. Be right back.
We are back on normally where Virginia and New Jersey
and New York City are all having a normal one.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
It's going great. All right, let's talk about Virginia. Senator
Tim Kaine, a Democrat of Virginia, was on NBC News's
Meet the Press this weekend with Chris Walker, and he
was asked about the J. Jones controversy, which has not
gone any has not died, as he wishes his political
opponents too. It is still going because they didn't kick j. Jones,
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the Attorney general nominee for the Democrats in Virginia, off
the ticket. They have all danced around this and refused
to denounce him. They've denounced his words occasionally, but not him.
And this is what Tim Kaine has to say when
asked about this by Walker.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
A lot of people look at this, and I think
they asked the question, if this were a Republican, would
you be calling for him to drop out of the race.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
It is it's directly equivalent to things that the Republican
gubernatorial candidate has publicly said, not in private text.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Murder is murder, and your time will come.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
She said that in a public meeting speaking about pro
choice activists.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I've not called for her to drop out of the race.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
That the voters began voting in Virginia on September nineteenth,
these are fair items for voters to consider as they
cast their vote. But no, we're not calling for Republicans
to drop out of races.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
We do say, apologize.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
You have to take account for your actions, and voters
can look at the actions and look at your sincerity
if you apologize.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Apologies are in short supply in politics. These are all right.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
So what do you make of that, Carol. It's like
he got scared and suddenly realized he had to change
his whole stamp. He's like, oh wait, I'm a little
bit caught here. So he's saying, if a Republican nominee
for a state office in Virginia said in texts that
he would put two bullets in the speaker of the House,
who would, in this analogy be a Democrat, that he
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would not call for that guy to get out of
the race.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Right, Yeah, he's just such a good guy, you know.
He doesn't think anybody should drop out nobody.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And then he calls it directly analogous to things that
other folks have said, which is not true. I mean, like,
here's the thing you have to go. I want my
boundaries on speech to be pretty wide. Right when you're
running for office. I do think that literal death fantasies
about your opponents and their children should be the line.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, it's a good line, you know. I don't think
that that's too far at all. Won't say that you
want your opponents' kids to be killed?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
That's good?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, Yeah, they're lying. They would absolutely call for far
less to drop out. And you know, the funny thing
is that this scandal broke with the young Republicans and
the Virginia Democrats said to win some series that she
has to renounce them, and she was like, all right, done,
they should step down now you go.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
That was one of the Dulmer tactical moves I have
ever seen, because it didn't straight. It didn't come straight
from Abigail Spanmberger, who is the Democrat governor nominee for
the Dems here has not asked Ja Jones to step down.
Didn't come directly from her. It came from Virginia Democrats.
And what I think is that those people are so
in a bubble, that they are so cloistered, that they
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are so convinced of their correctness that they didn't even
see that coming. Because Wins Sears, as you and I were,
is happy to say, no, we don't want that influence.
That's bad, we don't want them in charge them, get
them out of here, even though they're not running for office,
And Spamberger is not able to say the same thing
about j Jones. So Wins's just like and back over
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the net to you, Abigail, But she has nothing to
say because she doesn't want to cut this guy off. Amazing,
which says something in and of itself. By the way, Miaras,
who is the Republican nominee running against Jones, has gained
quite a bit of momentum. It looks like five to
six points of swing in that race. So even though
this is an uphill state for Republicans, things certainly look
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better for them than they did several weeks ago before
the age and his text about killing people were we.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Have all my fingers crossed for you guys.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, we've had a good run with Younkin.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
So all right, New Jersey. In the recent Democratic debate
in New Jersey, Mickey Cheryl had this to stay.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
You know, I think it's interesting how he keeps citing
places like Louisiana and Mississippi. I think some of the
worst schools in the entire nation. If that's where he
wants to drive us to, I think voters better be
aware of that.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
All Right, she apparently doesn't listen to normally, and I
think that's a problem for her. We got tagged in
this video several times over the weekend because we do
talk about Louisiana and Mississippi and their gains in reading scores,
and it's just it's hilarious that she is so not
up on this. And the thing is, like a lot
of people are like, gotcha on this. She's not going
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to care. She is going to find a reason that
she's still right, and look, it's just it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Well, this is what you and I talk about lot,
where the bubble and the insular nature of the mostly
liberal media is dangerous for Democrats because she hasn't come
across this information because she's in a bubble. The people
who brief her do not know this information, and they
are therefore relying on both old information and regional bigotry
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frankly exactly to make their points. But those points aren't
relevant anymore and they don't know it. And like you said,
she's not going to be ashamed that she doesn't know it,
because again, I think we talked about this before. This
is the icky facts doctrine. If she knows achy facts,
that makes her ichy and write coded. So she can't
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know those things. She can't know that children of all
socioeconomic statuses and stati and races have improved exponentially in
the last several years in these southern states, because that
would go against what she's got already sort of logged
down her brain.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
So it's interesting because the Urban Institute fourth grade reading
score rankings have Mississippian first, Louisiana and second Florida and third.
New Jersey is number sixteen. I think she would say well,
you know this is demographically adjusted. You know, scores they
adjust for income, right, you know, But who cares more
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about income and equality than democrats and about this when
we're looking at reading scores.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
No, that's actually, by their philosophy, the thing you should
care most about, right, right, And so we do, but
I do generally. For years we've been having this discussion
because during the school closings, it was the case that
many liberals you would argue with about it, who were
in charge of making these decisions, very little about the
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actual facts of whether it was dangerous. This is a
similar situation where on education they get their talking points
from the National Teachers Unions and they're done.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
They're done.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
And by the way, did you see that the NEA
sent out an Israel map without Israel, Hon, Yeah, yeah,
I'm sure that was. They called it a lapse, Carol, Yeah,
a lapse.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
They're super, super concerned about kids having the right information
though just the one time they're not mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Anyway, it reveals terrible ignorance and they should be ashamed
of it because it's going to keep them from making
lives better in their states.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
So ashamed they will not. They will they will not
be ashamed. Icky facts, ikey facts.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
All right, what's going on with our friend mom Donnie?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Speaking of I'm actually recording this from New York City,
and I went to a conservative event last night. It
was the commentary yearly roast that they do, and I
spoke to lots of people and they're all I have
to say, they're in cope world where they're like, Mum
Donnie is going to be the next mayor. He's not
going to be able to do all these things that
he says he's going to do, and that's what we're
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going to hold on to if we can't leave. So
I think most people are bracing for the Mamdanni win. However,
there was a poll that says that Mam Donnie would
it would be very close in a race one on
one with Andrew Cuomo. However, there's this pesky Republican Curtis
Leeo and the race who refuses to get out. I'm
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of mixed mind about this, and look, I'm not somebody
that wants New York to fail. And I say this
a lot. I know a lot of Republicans are like,
who cares about that place?
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Like that's it?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I care about it? My family lives there, my friends
live there. I care about it surviving. But I get
Leewa's argument. He's like, Andrew Cuomo lost the Democratic primary
to this guy and then ran as an independent, and
I'm the one that's supposed to drop out.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, got found, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
And what would be worse is if Sleiwo dropped out
and Mamdanni still won, which is extremely probable.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, yeah, I get where he's coming from, because the
last thing I want to do if I were in
that situation is reward Cuomo or just all of like
for an incompetent campaign, for terrible behavior, for awful governance.
So even though he's the less bad of the two
leading options, although Mom Donny's leading him by quite a bit,
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I understand not wanting to reward any of that. And
although there is a world in which Republicans have been
governor of or have been mayor of New York before,
so arguably they should have put someone up who was
more broadly appealing than Curtis Sliwa. Absolutely, Democrats, this is
a left leaning city, like this was on y'all to
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mount a better opposition than this to Mom Donnie, and
I got to say, especially on the oppo research, of
which there is plenty on Mamdannyquoma's just like nah, not engaging.
And I think this is the Hillary Clinton problem. You
just show up with your name and your entitlement and
you think that people have to vote for you, and
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they don't.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Right, And especially Cuomo should have known that it would
be a bit of a battle because he had to
resign from his governorship. You don't resign people love you,
like when they can't get enough of the Cuomo you know.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yeah, but I do think I'm with you. I don't
want New York to face the consequences of this that
are some of which are going to be inevitable. I
do hope his powers are limited to some degree, but
some of the stuff he can do is going to
be really damaging, like removing gifted programs for kids.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yep, yep, that he could do. Yeah, there was Bamdanie
actually recently posted a photo of himself with Imam Suraj Wahaj,
who was an unindicted co conspiracy co conspirator in the
nineteen ninety three World Trade Center bombing in New York,
in New York, and this is like, who my New
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Yorkers are voting for It's it's sad, It's really sad.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think that any of us
would have imagined that twenty four years after nine to eleven,
potential mirror of New York would be standing next to
a guy who hosted the blind Shake at his mosque.
I mean, it's just that's pretty amazing. And of course
the New York Times does the woke jiu jitsu where
they're like, it's it's racist and islamophobic for y'all to
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mention these things, and it's like, no, no, no, no no.
If he were a candidate who was happy to say
those terror apologists are.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Bad, yeah, nobody would care that he was muzzled.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Who was happy to say globalized the end Offada is bad.
Who was happy to say Hamas should disarm? Those are
easy things to say. Who he doesn't say them is
because he doesn't believe them, guys, right, And that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
That is the problem, New York. Come on, better, do better?
All right, We're going to take a short break and
come right back with what's going on in Europe? What's
up with these places? We are back on normally where
we can literally have a segment called Europe. What's up
with you?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
It's not great? No, there was a.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Robbery at the Louver over the last few days and
it is crazy because they literally pulled a ladder truck
up to the louver, walked up a ladder into a window.
I mean you have to see this picture. There is
a ladder going up to the love in.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
The middle of the day. Not exactly cat Burglars is
what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
They walked up to an exhibit and they drilled into it.
And I wish I that the louver this summer, and
you cannot like they're like, you're walking too close to
the art right right? I think they should get some
of the security off of the Mona Lisa and put
it elsewhere, because how does this happen? How are you
not humiliated and embarrassed that somebody mounted a ladder into
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your louver window and stole priceless jewels? What is up
with your Europe?
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Also? Can I just read an embarrassing sentence? Four perpetrators
is from CNN World. Four perpetrators appear to have been
involved in the theft, who were unarmed but threatened the
guards with angle grinders. Paris prosecutor that's not good. No,
that's not good. Arm What are they going to do?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Hit them when the angle grinder?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
I just this is when I saw something recently about
I believe it was a public fountain in San Francisco
that of course had become a place of refuse and
needles and defecation and such, and they had just decided like,
let's not have the fountain anymore, let's not have that operative.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Right they do.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
You have to have the will to protect the things
that are important, to protect the things that the civilized
people are enjoying instead of you know, kneeling to every
criminal that comes around. And it's just it's the same thing.
You have to have the will to protect this stuff. Now,
I'm a little worried about the climate activists because usually
I don't like them throwing paint on these things regardless.
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But usually I'm like, those are behind glass or something, right,
and often they are. Yeah, Now I'm not There's a
lot of stuff that's going to ruin them.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Like, you know, they will threaten the security guards with
paint and and the security guards.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Will run away.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
It's just the jewels were from the Napoleon collection. My
middle son is super into Napoleon. So the joke in
our household is like, where was he on Thursday?
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Nay, what is his alibi? My goodness, I think we
have another insane Europeans story, correct.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Not just France. This weekend in Britain, a man was
arrested because his Star of David was problematic and aggressive.
I you know, look, there's a lot of conversation right now.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
About whether Jews should get out of Britain.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
The Manchester attack on a synagogue on Yam Kipor was
a big tell of that. What I've always said about
anti Semitism is that it's not the end. It's not
the anti Semitism, it's not what happens. Anti Semitism could
happen anywhere. I'm wearing a you know, a Star of
David around my neck right now, a Jewish star. I
could walk outside. I mean I'm in New York, so
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it would be crazy and somebody could assault me. The
thing is, it's how the public reacts to it. And
why I think America is so different is that when
anti Semitic attacks happen in America, and they do happen,
it's not like, well, what are you gonna do? Maybe
you should hide your Jewish starbetter.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
It's very, very different.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Why I'm bullish on.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
America in addition to the first and second amendments, is
because of the reaction of Americans when anti Semitism happens.
The reaction of Brits leaves a lot to be desired.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Well, and this there's some video of him being interrogated
by police who are like, you know, pointing out that
this Star of David is the issue. Right now, the
police have put out a statement saying, oh, no, no, no,
the thing is not It's not just the Star of David.
It's that like he was standing close to other people
who don't like the Star of David and it's like, okay,
that's not a good enough reason, guys. Right again, that's
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what they're like. He antagonized them because there were there
was base there was a protest and a protest and
counter protest, right and he like you know, got too
close to the people who don't like him. It's like, no,
m m, that's not going to cut it, guys, It's
not going to cut it.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Also, Israeli's soccer team was is poised to play in Birmingham, England,
and their fans are being banned from the city coming
and watch them play asking Villa, and these members of
parliament are celebrating it on the internet as if like
this is a good thing, Like, oh, it's so good
that we have stopped those Jews from coming to our
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football stadium.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yes, it's really wild.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
The thinking, or like the lie that they're telling is
that there was this big incident in Amsterdam last year
where Israeli soccer fans were assaulted and it was turns
out and the lie was that those Israeli soccer fans
were chanting something in Hebrew that you know fans knew
to be something negative. Look, soccer fans can be violent
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and aggressive. The Amsterdam attack on the Israeli soccer fans,
by all accounts, appears to be pre planned. They were like,
the Israelis are coming, let's beat them up. And that
attack on Israelis is being used to ban Israelis from
going to other games. It's such blatant into Semitism. It's
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just absolutely crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Again, it's like Jews standing too close to the people
who don't like them, right, and that is not an
acceptable reason. I kid you not, Carol. When I saw
an MP's statement on this. He was like, thank goodness,
these people have been banned from such and such. Because
I am not familiar with the names of soccer stadiums
in Britain, I assumed that this, you know, terrible MP
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must be talking about like a sports bar, because like,
at least that would be like a smaller situation. I
was like, oh my god, they mean the whole stadium. Yep,
how can this be happening because I thought he was
just talking about like his local sports bar. Nope, no, no, no,
which would not be acceptable either.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
But look, yeah it would be a personal decision by
the owner or whatever. Yeah, it's unacceptable, and I'll just
keep saying it. America is different, but we need to
defend that difference. We need to not follow Europe down
their terrible path. Also, if anybody hasn't read it America
Alone by Mark Stein, I don't even remember what year
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that came out, like twenty something years ago. Yes, he
wrote a prediction guide of what was going to happen.
It published two thousand and six, so almost twenty years
ago it is. We read it recently. Unbelievable how much
he got right about Europe and it's America alone because
we were the only ones kind of enforcing our border
rules and also having children, and those two factors. He said,
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We're going to bring down Europe, and we're watching it
in action.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
And they have fallen off here in the past five years.
So we shall endeavor to keep what's great.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
About America, that's right America forever. Thanks for joining us
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Yuys.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Yeah, that's normally.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
You're sure what normally it takes the when you me
Ki's weird. I am very Captani.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Carol Markoitz, How was your weekend, Mary Captain?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
It was pretty good. It was busy, but you know,
I'm trying. I try to get some Halloween decorations up.
That's correct, it is October twentieth. But the great thing
about that is that you get a lot of things
half price if you wait till October twentieth.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
So, oh, it's the plus and minuses. One year, I
waited too late and there was nothing left. Yes, like
you know, that's the minus part of that. Ours go
up October first, and I'm talking like, you know, September thirtieth.
My kids are like, can we.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Get them up?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Well, you know, we don't have the Christmas decorations.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah. I love Halloween. I love Halloween, but I do
feel like as a child, Halloween and Christmas were very
far apart, and as an adult they are not. So
sometimes I'm just like, I'm tired, We're gonna do one
of these.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, I don't know. My kids would so do Christmas
decorations if we allowed them. My daughter's always like, I
don't understand why they get to have the sparkly lights
they do.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
You have a lot of sparkly lights.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Nothing will do with Jesus, I can't.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Eat alrighty, so well, shall we talk about the sparkly
events over the weekend? All right? Everybody gathered for the
No King's Marches, No King's Day? Are they calling it
that at any rate? People of the left who object
to Donald Trump and people of the rights who have
joined them went out to protest this weekend. Look, I
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think the left often gets too much credit for being
mostly peaceful, as we saw in twenty twenty, But it
looks like this went off mostly without a hitch, which
makes me glad. I like to see people out doing
their speech, without blocking roads, without hurting people, without taking
janitor's hostage like they did on Ivy League campuses during
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the post October seventh, you know, anti Semitic protests and whatnot.
Like I'm on board with that part.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I mean, it's like the rock bottom we could expect
from these people.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
We're like, look at.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You guys, no violence.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So good.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Oh they accomplished that, you know. I try to be
careful about just like the collective guilt. There were some
nasty signs out there, one in particular, several like encouraging violence,
speakers encouraging violence. As we've noted on the show, one
way you can tell that the left has not denounced
political violence is that people like Angela Davis show up
to speak at their events and on all their Instagram
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feeds they've praised Asada Chakur like these people are politically
violent people who have been convicted. That's political violence. So
there's that. But there were some nasty signs, one in
particular that said what heals faster Trump's ear or Erica's heart,
and that one the widow bullying Nope, I want no
part of it.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Like what do the people around her think? Are they
like great sign or are they like, ma'am hurting the cause?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I mean, I don't think anyone thinks they're hurting the cause.
And this is like, this is one of those things
where I think the left pays a much smaller lower
price for that kind of messaging than the right does.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So look, we're like celebrating their like lack of violence, right,
you know, they get away with so much.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Well, and I would just like the standard to be
the same right, where if you have a right leaning
event and you have errant signs as you did during
the tea party, right, they don't make that the whole
characterization of the entire event, but you know, that's what
they did during the tea party years. I would like
the standard to be the same, but it doesn't seem
to be.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, it was a very old people event, which is
interesting because we think of the left as young. Right there,
it's the whole if you're not, you know, a communist,
when you're not when you're eighteen, you have no heart,
if you're not a whatever the actual quote is, if
you're not a conservative when you're there, you have no brain. Right, Yeah,
(04:02):
but it just was so old. It was these boomer libs,
and it's almost like they had nothing else going on,
and they were like, hey, there's a protest, Like, let's
go do that. Peter J. Hassen had a great He's
been tweeting all about the fact that there is such
an old contingency in these protests, and he pointed out
(04:24):
one story where a seventy five year old said she
skipped her granddaughter's soccer game to attend the protest because
she wants to ensure her granddaughter has a future. I
would want to ensure the granddaughter has a grandma who
cares about this. And she was wearing the hooded robe
and wide brimmed bonnet from handmaid's tail, because of course
she was. This was a costume party for her. Go
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to your granddaughter's soccer game? What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah, I agree, I agree with that perspective. Look, we
are not really a protest culture now, those of us
on the right. It's not our thing. And I'm glad
because I don't really want to be doing it.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, there was thank you for that.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
It was. Yes, they are very old. You can see
the shift both in racial and age demographics for the
left of this becoming a very affluent, older white party.
One picture stood out in particular of Birmingham, Alabama, where
the population is almost seventy percent black, and it was
(05:23):
an all white picture. I'm not gonna say it all
white march, but it was an all white picture, which
is statistically very tough.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
So much kinder than they would be to us, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I Now, I did enjoy one person's comment under it
that was, like, not one person in this picture can
make cornbread properly. But like that, there is a real
shift happening and you can see it in these protests.
And look, those people have energy. It may be that
now I think those are people that they already have
on their side. Are those people registering voters in Virginia
(05:53):
and New Jersey? Are they knocking on doors in Virginia
and New Jersey? I would suggest they do it without
the racial and violence promoting signs that they like to carry.
Are they winning people to their side? I don't know,
but there's something, there's something to the energy itself, even
if it's not being converted. I suppose.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I think this messaging is off the mark. And because
I'm on the opposite side from them, I'm not looking
to give them advice. But I would say the pea
hats from twenty sixteen made far more sense than this
notings thing. Yea, and like that was like Donald Trump
is anti women, we are going to wear these pink
hats and you know, show him and there was a
(06:34):
different energy around it. This is it just doesn't make sense.
He is not I wouldn't say, overstepping into anything authoritarian.
Any court cases that rule against him, he accepts them,
not like Jo Biden with the student loan where he
just said I'm going to do it anyway. I'm going
to pay off these student loans, despite the fact that
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the Supreme Court told me no. That was far more
authoritarian to me. I think the messaging is just oft
and I think this is why they're not getting young people,
because young people are like, what are you even talking about?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah, it's also well, young people also remember, and this
is I think the root of some of the shift
right among those young people. Remember a time during COVID
when your government literally wouldn't let you leave your house
to protest their COVID regulations. So like, maybe there's a
little bit of dissonance there for them because they've seen authoritarianism.
(07:28):
By the way, Trump was in charge for part of
that and should have encouraged states not to do that.
I think it is genuinely very funny that there are
international no Kings rallies, but they can't call them no
kings because they have literal kings. Yeah, that's just very funny.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Let me just read what the Democrats abroad said about that.
They said, a few notes, we've changed the no Kings
theme of other events around the world to no tyrants
so as not to mix messages in a country with
a monarchy. Yeah, George Conway, a husband of Kelly and Conway,
who was Trump's campaign manager and counselor during his first term,
(08:09):
was at one of the events in a I Am
Antifa shirt and let me tell you, I cringed so
hard seeing him there. It was really just, dude, what
are you doing? Like I don't get it, Like we've
talked about it on here before, but if I just
hate the politician. And look, I didn't like Donald Trump
(08:31):
in twenty sixteen. I you know, it took a while
definitely come around to him. I didn't swap out all
of my beliefs. I didn't become antifa. No, right, Molly Hemingway,
who actually is like the sweetest person in the world,
So it's funny that she took this like super personal
shot at him. But she said, not to be all authoritarian,
but the person who died George Conway's hair should probably
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be imprison for the.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Rest I mean. So there's a piece in the argument
today entitled and thinks it does protest too much entitled
no Kings wasn't cringe And the picture is of you know,
of forty to fifty something liberal woman with a tri
cornered hat and an American flag and her sciences king
(09:14):
free since seventeen seventy six. The subhead of this piece
is needing to seem cool in the face of authoritarian takeover?
Is cringe? Okay? Point taken? Like, I actually do think
that's legit.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
If you're a little cringe while you're objecting to your government,
while you're redressing your grievances, fine, this is like what
we've done forever. I'm not super mad at you. I
do think with the George Conway of it all, I mean,
I've told you this before. We're all nerds, right, people
select for this business who are narcissists and nerds. Actually
that's like sort of the group we have. But I
(09:46):
was the drum major of my marching band, and I
would just beg of you to be like a little cooler,
just just a little bit. And also this embrace of
the Founding is totally transactional. Yeah, yeah, they are not
interested in the Founding. And in fact, ten to fifteen
years ago, when Conservatives wore tri cornered hats and carried
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seventy six signs, they were called backwards, cringe, racist, whatever
the thing was of the day. So again, it's not
that consistent about what makes a successful or good or
appropriate message at these things.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, and look again, you're much nicer than me.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I know.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I'm just like, let's call it fringe and it be right.
There's you know, if you're angry about what your government
is doing and you feel like you got to get
out there in the streets, it's so not me. Have
I've just never been a protester. I don't know, I
don't get it. I don't think that I just don't
get my anger out that way. Yes, this is really
what it is.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Oh, can I say one more thing because I commented
on this today. I think it was Morgan Freeman who
said his kid was like, will we get shot at
the gathering today? And again this is a thread that
has gone through a lot of liberal communities. It is
a mark of virtue to scare the crap out of
your children, right, And I would just like to say
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it's the opposite of virtue. My children have lived through
all the things that Morgan freemancy. By the way, I
had know Morgan had young children. That's all amazing. He
has young children. And my kids have lived through all
the same things as this young lady has, and you
shouldn't convince them that going out in the streets would
lead to that. You shouldn't put all of your adult
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anxieties on them. You should have some adult perspective about
what is real danger and what is not. And somehow
I have children who know that a person we know
got murdered doing my literal job a month ago, but
I have not turned that into their identity.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, exactly, it's bad parenting.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
It's so bad.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It isn't don't scare your children. Don't make them think
that they can get killed for protesting in America and
anything else. Don't don't make them think they could die
of climate change.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Like, yes, we'll put your one.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, Like you know, you know when you say we're nerds, Like,
there's a lot of different kinds of nerds. My my
daughter's math and science nerds. She finds are nerding, so bizarre.
Why do you guys care about this?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Why?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Well?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And the speeches, well, and we do have real problems,
which is why we, like I try to grant grace
in general to protest movements, even though people don't grant
it to ours. We do have real problems. But if
you have convinced your children, who live in the most
free and most prosperous society in the history of the world,
that they are in constant danger of penury and punishment,
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then you're going the wrong direction. Man.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Absolutely, We're going to take a short break and come
back with news out of the Blue States. Be right back.
We are back on normally where Virginia and New Jersey
and New York City are all having a normal one.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
It's going great. All right, let's talk about Virginia. Senator
Tim Kaine, a Democrat of Virginia, was on NBC News's
Meet the Press this weekend with Chris Walker, and he
was asked about the J. Jones controversy, which has not
gone any has not died, as he wishes his political
opponents too. It is still going because they didn't kick j. Jones,
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the Attorney general nominee for the Democrats in Virginia, off
the ticket. They have all danced around this and refused
to denounce him. They've denounced his words occasionally, but not him.
And this is what Tim Kaine has to say when
asked about this by Walker.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
A lot of people look at this, and I think
they asked the question, if this were a Republican, would
you be calling for him to drop out of the race.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
It is it's directly equivalent to things that the Republican
gubernatorial candidate has publicly said, not in private text.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Murder is murder, and your time will come.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
She said that in a public meeting speaking about pro
choice activists.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I've not called for her to drop out of the race.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
That the voters began voting in Virginia on September nineteenth,
these are fair items for voters to consider as they
cast their vote. But no, we're not calling for Republicans
to drop out of races.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
We do say, apologize.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
You have to take account for your actions, and voters
can look at the actions and look at your sincerity
if you apologize.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Apologies are in short supply in politics. These are all right.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
So what do you make of that, Carol. It's like
he got scared and suddenly realized he had to change
his whole stamp. He's like, oh wait, I'm a little
bit caught here. So he's saying, if a Republican nominee
for a state office in Virginia said in texts that
he would put two bullets in the speaker of the House,
who would, in this analogy be a Democrat, that he
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would not call for that guy to get out of
the race.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Right, Yeah, he's just such a good guy, you know.
He doesn't think anybody should drop out nobody.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And then he calls it directly analogous to things that
other folks have said, which is not true. I mean, like,
here's the thing you have to go. I want my
boundaries on speech to be pretty wide. Right when you're
running for office. I do think that literal death fantasies
about your opponents and their children should be the line.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, it's a good line, you know. I don't think
that that's too far at all. Won't say that you
want your opponents' kids to be killed?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
That's good?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, Yeah, they're lying. They would absolutely call for far
less to drop out. And you know, the funny thing
is that this scandal broke with the young Republicans and
the Virginia Democrats said to win some series that she
has to renounce them, and she was like, all right, done,
they should step down now you go.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
That was one of the Dulmer tactical moves I have
ever seen, because it didn't straight. It didn't come straight
from Abigail Spanmberger, who is the Democrat governor nominee for
the Dems here has not asked Ja Jones to step down.
Didn't come directly from her. It came from Virginia Democrats.
And what I think is that those people are so
in a bubble, that they are so cloistered, that they
(16:15):
are so convinced of their correctness that they didn't even
see that coming. Because Wins Sears, as you and I were,
is happy to say, no, we don't want that influence.
That's bad, we don't want them in charge them, get
them out of here, even though they're not running for office,
And Spamberger is not able to say the same thing
about j Jones. So Wins's just like and back over
(16:38):
the net to you, Abigail, But she has nothing to
say because she doesn't want to cut this guy off. Amazing,
which says something in and of itself. By the way, Miaras,
who is the Republican nominee running against Jones, has gained
quite a bit of momentum. It looks like five to
six points of swing in that race. So even though
this is an uphill state for Republicans, things certainly look
(17:00):
better for them than they did several weeks ago before
the age and his text about killing people were we.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Have all my fingers crossed for you guys.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, we've had a good run with Younkin.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
So all right, New Jersey. In the recent Democratic debate
in New Jersey, Mickey Cheryl had this to stay.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
You know, I think it's interesting how he keeps citing
places like Louisiana and Mississippi. I think some of the
worst schools in the entire nation. If that's where he
wants to drive us to, I think voters better be
aware of that.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
All Right, she apparently doesn't listen to normally, and I
think that's a problem for her. We got tagged in
this video several times over the weekend because we do
talk about Louisiana and Mississippi and their gains in reading scores,
and it's just it's hilarious that she is so not
up on this. And the thing is, like a lot
of people are like, gotcha on this. She's not going
(17:51):
to care. She is going to find a reason that
she's still right, and look, it's just it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Well, this is what you and I talk about lot,
where the bubble and the insular nature of the mostly
liberal media is dangerous for Democrats because she hasn't come
across this information because she's in a bubble. The people
who brief her do not know this information, and they
are therefore relying on both old information and regional bigotry
(18:22):
frankly exactly to make their points. But those points aren't
relevant anymore and they don't know it. And like you said,
she's not going to be ashamed that she doesn't know it,
because again, I think we talked about this before. This
is the icky facts doctrine. If she knows achy facts,
that makes her ichy and write coded. So she can't
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know those things. She can't know that children of all
socioeconomic statuses and stati and races have improved exponentially in
the last several years in these southern states, because that
would go against what she's got already sort of logged
down her brain.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
So it's interesting because the Urban Institute fourth grade reading
score rankings have Mississippian first, Louisiana and second Florida and third.
New Jersey is number sixteen. I think she would say well,
you know this is demographically adjusted. You know, scores they
adjust for income, right, you know, But who cares more
(19:25):
about income and equality than democrats and about this when
we're looking at reading scores.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
No, that's actually, by their philosophy, the thing you should
care most about, right, right, And so we do, but
I do generally. For years we've been having this discussion
because during the school closings, it was the case that
many liberals you would argue with about it, who were
in charge of making these decisions, very little about the
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actual facts of whether it was dangerous. This is a
similar situation where on education they get their talking points
from the National Teachers Unions and they're done.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
They're done.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
And by the way, did you see that the NEA
sent out an Israel map without Israel, Hon, Yeah, yeah,
I'm sure that was. They called it a lapse, Carol, Yeah,
a lapse.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
They're super, super concerned about kids having the right information
though just the one time they're not mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Anyway, it reveals terrible ignorance and they should be ashamed
of it because it's going to keep them from making
lives better in their states.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
So ashamed they will not. They will they will not
be ashamed. Icky facts, ikey facts.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
All right, what's going on with our friend mom Donnie?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Speaking of I'm actually recording this from New York City,
and I went to a conservative event last night. It
was the commentary yearly roast that they do, and I
spoke to lots of people and they're all I have
to say, they're in cope world where they're like, Mum
Donnie is going to be the next mayor. He's not
going to be able to do all these things that
he says he's going to do, and that's what we're
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going to hold on to if we can't leave. So
I think most people are bracing for the Mamdanni win. However,
there was a poll that says that Mam Donnie would
it would be very close in a race one on
one with Andrew Cuomo. However, there's this pesky Republican Curtis
Leeo and the race who refuses to get out. I'm
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of mixed mind about this, and look, I'm not somebody
that wants New York to fail. And I say this
a lot. I know a lot of Republicans are like,
who cares about that place?
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Like that's it?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I care about it? My family lives there, my friends
live there. I care about it surviving. But I get
Leewa's argument. He's like, Andrew Cuomo lost the Democratic primary
to this guy and then ran as an independent, and
I'm the one that's supposed to drop out.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, got found, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
And what would be worse is if Sleiwo dropped out
and Mamdanni still won, which is extremely probable.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, yeah, I get where he's coming from, because the
last thing I want to do if I were in
that situation is reward Cuomo or just all of like
for an incompetent campaign, for terrible behavior, for awful governance.
So even though he's the less bad of the two
leading options, although Mom Donny's leading him by quite a bit,
(22:19):
I understand not wanting to reward any of that. And
although there is a world in which Republicans have been
governor of or have been mayor of New York before,
so arguably they should have put someone up who was
more broadly appealing than Curtis Sliwa. Absolutely, Democrats, this is
a left leaning city, like this was on y'all to
(22:40):
mount a better opposition than this to Mom Donnie, and
I got to say, especially on the oppo research, of
which there is plenty on Mamdannyquoma's just like nah, not engaging.
And I think this is the Hillary Clinton problem. You
just show up with your name and your entitlement and
you think that people have to vote for you, and
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they don't.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Right, And especially Cuomo should have known that it would
be a bit of a battle because he had to
resign from his governorship. You don't resign people love you,
like when they can't get enough of the Cuomo you know.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yeah, but I do think I'm with you. I don't
want New York to face the consequences of this that
are some of which are going to be inevitable. I
do hope his powers are limited to some degree, but
some of the stuff he can do is going to
be really damaging, like removing gifted programs for kids.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yep, yep, that he could do. Yeah, there was Bamdanie
actually recently posted a photo of himself with Imam Suraj Wahaj,
who was an unindicted co conspiracy co conspirator in the
nineteen ninety three World Trade Center bombing in New York,
in New York, and this is like, who my New
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Yorkers are voting for It's it's sad, It's really sad.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think that any of us
would have imagined that twenty four years after nine to eleven,
potential mirror of New York would be standing next to
a guy who hosted the blind Shake at his mosque.
I mean, it's just that's pretty amazing. And of course
the New York Times does the woke jiu jitsu where
they're like, it's it's racist and islamophobic for y'all to
(24:18):
mention these things, and it's like, no, no, no, no no.
If he were a candidate who was happy to say
those terror apologists are.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Bad, yeah, nobody would care that he was muzzled.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Who was happy to say globalized the end Offada is bad.
Who was happy to say Hamas should disarm? Those are
easy things to say. Who he doesn't say them is
because he doesn't believe them, guys, right, And that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
That is the problem, New York. Come on, better, do better?
All right, We're going to take a short break and
come right back with what's going on in Europe? What's
up with these places? We are back on normally where
we can literally have a segment called Europe. What's up
with you?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
It's not great? No, there was a.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Robbery at the Louver over the last few days and
it is crazy because they literally pulled a ladder truck
up to the louver, walked up a ladder into a window.
I mean you have to see this picture. There is
a ladder going up to the love in.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
The middle of the day. Not exactly cat Burglars is
what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
They walked up to an exhibit and they drilled into it.
And I wish I that the louver this summer, and
you cannot like they're like, you're walking too close to
the art right right? I think they should get some
of the security off of the Mona Lisa and put
it elsewhere, because how does this happen? How are you
not humiliated and embarrassed that somebody mounted a ladder into
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your louver window and stole priceless jewels? What is up
with your Europe?
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Also? Can I just read an embarrassing sentence? Four perpetrators
is from CNN World. Four perpetrators appear to have been
involved in the theft, who were unarmed but threatened the
guards with angle grinders. Paris prosecutor that's not good. No,
that's not good. Arm What are they going to do?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Hit them when the angle grinder?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
I just this is when I saw something recently about
I believe it was a public fountain in San Francisco
that of course had become a place of refuse and
needles and defecation and such, and they had just decided like,
let's not have the fountain anymore, let's not have that operative.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Right they do.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
You have to have the will to protect the things
that are important, to protect the things that the civilized
people are enjoying instead of you know, kneeling to every
criminal that comes around. And it's just it's the same thing.
You have to have the will to protect this stuff. Now,
I'm a little worried about the climate activists because usually
I don't like them throwing paint on these things regardless.
(26:51):
But usually I'm like, those are behind glass or something, right,
and often they are. Yeah, Now I'm not There's a
lot of stuff that's going to ruin them.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Like, you know, they will threaten the security guards with
paint and and the security guards.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Will run away.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
It's just the jewels were from the Napoleon collection. My
middle son is super into Napoleon. So the joke in
our household is like, where was he on Thursday?
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Nay, what is his alibi? My goodness, I think we
have another insane Europeans story, correct.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Not just France. This weekend in Britain, a man was
arrested because his Star of David was problematic and aggressive.
I you know, look, there's a lot of conversation right now.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
About whether Jews should get out of Britain.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
The Manchester attack on a synagogue on Yam Kipor was
a big tell of that. What I've always said about
anti Semitism is that it's not the end. It's not
the anti Semitism, it's not what happens. Anti Semitism could
happen anywhere. I'm wearing a you know, a Star of
David around my neck right now, a Jewish star. I
could walk outside. I mean I'm in New York, so
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it would be crazy and somebody could assault me. The
thing is, it's how the public reacts to it. And
why I think America is so different is that when
anti Semitic attacks happen in America, and they do happen,
it's not like, well, what are you gonna do? Maybe
you should hide your Jewish starbetter.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
It's very, very different.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Why I'm bullish on.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
America in addition to the first and second amendments, is
because of the reaction of Americans when anti Semitism happens.
The reaction of Brits leaves a lot to be desired.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Well, and this there's some video of him being interrogated
by police who are like, you know, pointing out that
this Star of David is the issue. Right now, the
police have put out a statement saying, oh, no, no, no,
the thing is not It's not just the Star of David.
It's that like he was standing close to other people
who don't like the Star of David and it's like, okay,
that's not a good enough reason, guys. Right again, that's
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what they're like. He antagonized them because there were there
was base there was a protest and a protest and
counter protest, right and he like you know, got too
close to the people who don't like him. It's like, no,
m m, that's not going to cut it, guys, It's
not going to cut it.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Also, Israeli's soccer team was is poised to play in Birmingham, England,
and their fans are being banned from the city coming
and watch them play asking Villa, and these members of
parliament are celebrating it on the internet as if like
this is a good thing, Like, oh, it's so good
that we have stopped those Jews from coming to our
(29:35):
football stadium.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yes, it's really wild.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
The thinking, or like the lie that they're telling is
that there was this big incident in Amsterdam last year
where Israeli soccer fans were assaulted and it was turns
out and the lie was that those Israeli soccer fans
were chanting something in Hebrew that you know fans knew
to be something negative. Look, soccer fans can be violent
(30:02):
and aggressive. The Amsterdam attack on the Israeli soccer fans,
by all accounts, appears to be pre planned. They were like,
the Israelis are coming, let's beat them up. And that
attack on Israelis is being used to ban Israelis from
going to other games. It's such blatant into Semitism. It's
(30:23):
just absolutely crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Again, it's like Jews standing too close to the people
who don't like them, right, and that is not an
acceptable reason. I kid you not, Carol. When I saw
an MP's statement on this. He was like, thank goodness,
these people have been banned from such and such. Because
I am not familiar with the names of soccer stadiums
in Britain, I assumed that this, you know, terrible MP
(30:47):
must be talking about like a sports bar, because like,
at least that would be like a smaller situation. I
was like, oh my god, they mean the whole stadium. Yep,
how can this be happening because I thought he was
just talking about like his local sports bar. Nope, no, no, no,
which would not be acceptable either.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
But look, yeah it would be a personal decision by
the owner or whatever. Yeah, it's unacceptable, and I'll just
keep saying it. America is different, but we need to
defend that difference. We need to not follow Europe down
their terrible path. Also, if anybody hasn't read it America
Alone by Mark Stein, I don't even remember what year
(31:26):
that came out, like twenty something years ago. Yes, he
wrote a prediction guide of what was going to happen.
It published two thousand and six, so almost twenty years
ago it is. We read it recently. Unbelievable how much
he got right about Europe and it's America alone because
we were the only ones kind of enforcing our border
rules and also having children, and those two factors. He said,
(31:49):
We're going to bring down Europe, and we're watching it
in action.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
And they have fallen off here in the past five years.
So we shall endeavor to keep what's great.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
About America, that's right America forever. Thanks for joining us
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