In this episode, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz break down the latest election results and what they reveal about the shifting political landscape. From Republican disappointments to surprising Democratic victories in key states like New York, they explore what these outcomes mean for future elections and the GOP’s ongoing struggle to connect with diverse voter groups. They also examine the growing influence of political extremism on both sides—and close with a surprising cultural twist: Nicki Minaj’s outspoken advocacy for persecuted Christians. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Yeah, we're back normally the normally it takes for when
the news gets weird.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I am Mary Catherine Ham.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
And I'm Carol Markowitz.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
We are recording this the day after election day, which
didn't go that well for Republicans. But I was not
at all surprised, Like, this wasn't one of those like,
oh my god, what happened? This is crazy. The only
one that I was a little bit surprised was how
much j Jones, the attorney general candidate in Virginia who
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wished death on his political opponent and her children or
his children, that he won by quite a bit. That
was upsetting and disappointing, but still not totally surprising.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Like, I'm pretty good. I've lived through a lot of
election disappointments over the years. I will say the same
the same.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
J Jones won.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Smarts a little like it feels more personal personal, right.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Because you're like, oh, my neighbors are.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Like cool with this, Yes, yeah, they're cool with that.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I also think he's just a crook in general. In
addition to being a sociopath, he is a person who
was arrested for and prosecuted and excuse me, arrested and
convicted for reckless driving and then did not do his
community service and infacted his community service for himself for
his pack, which is crazy down anyway, and also inflated
his career as a prosecutor.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
But all of that's no good.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So all that's good.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I mean my top lines are look, I think certainly
a very pleasing night for Democrats. To me, the margins
are impressive, and I think worrisome for Republicans because yes,
New Jersey and Virginia were Harris plus six ish states
a little under six. I believe Cheryl's up over like
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eleven or twelve at this point. Obviously that it'll be continue,
it'll be finished counting at some point.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
By the way, I got up at like three thirty,
so I'm just a little There's also kay.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
And in Virginia also a double digit win for Abigail Spamberger.
I believe that's the first time for a double digit
win like that for a Democrat since two thousand and nine,
so that is substantial. It also led to down ballot
problems for Republicans in the state of Virginia, so the
in the last ten years, Republicans will go from having
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a supermajority to like closer to a Democratic supermajority, and
they're going to do a lot of shady things down
in Richmond. There's also indications that in places like for instance,
Bucks County, Pennsylvania, which is the swingiest county of the
swingiest state, like the county you're looking for, a lot
of those local elections went left and they were nationalized
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about immigration and economic concerns. So the GOP has a
year to prove to people that it can do the
economic and helped them.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, and get turnout to where it needs to be.
As we've talked about on this show, a lot of
the GOP new voters are low propensity voters, and that's
a problem for the GOP because they aren't the ones
who come out for the state for the school board elections,
and they don't come out for the state houses, and
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all of that is of course a problem. I will
say there were some bright spots that nobody's mentioning because
they're kind of small, But then so is the school
board in Bucks County. It's kind of like we're only
getting the negative news out of those smaller elections. But
I'll tell you in New York, the Nassau County executive,
Bruce Blakeman won reelection. That one was supposed to be
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tight and ended up not being that tight. In Miami Beach,
you know, I've mentioned on the show before that Miami
has a lot of mayors. They don't have a lot
of power, but they have. Miami Beach mayor is kind
of his own thing, and he does have quite a
bit of power. And he cleaned up South Beach, Stephen Minor,
he really did some amazing work down there, and that
was supposed to be super tight, got called fairly early
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that he had won it.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
So are these giant races. No, but those are two
blue areas.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Long Island is getting redder, and you know, COVID kind
of moved it redder. And the presidential election they voted
for Trump. But in general it's a suburb of New
York and it's not a deep red enclave. And Bruce
Blakeman winning that is great Miami Beach. You know, Republicans
simply don't have that many city mayors, and so the
fact that he has won reelection there Stephen Minor, that's great.
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In Miami the city, it's going to be a runoff
between the Democrat and Republican. That could have gone worse
because the third place person is another Democrat. It could
have been a runoff between a Democrat and a Democrat.
It's a Republican mayor right now, Brantis Suarez.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Again, this isn't a New York City mayorship. They have
like four neighborhoods. It's not that huge a deal.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
But again, if we're talking about school boards in Bucks County,
I don't see why we shouldn't be mentioning some of
the smaller but good results from last night.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
No, this is fair.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I think in any situation where a party has a
bad election night, you have to you have to sort
of like short circuit your emotional response. And Gosha, I
heard this from somebody at some point that said, just like,
I am accepting this data like data received, right. Yes, yes,
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there's an update to my priors and we're thinking about it, right.
And so I think, especially the way that these off
your elections are set up. Again, expectations were not high
for Republicans, but I think some of these margins are concerning.
It gives you a year to figure out what kind
of pitch you want to be making, I thought Emily
Joshinsky had a great way of putting it.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
She said, yeah, like these were reaches to begin with.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
We've said on the show.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah yeah, But she said tonight is good evidence that
some of what felt like the future during peak Woke
won't work without being tethered to Mom Donnie's style, affordability
of sessions.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
After the vibes talk about I want to talk about girls' sports.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Great, frame it as an elite fixation and tie it
right back to your message about jobs, taxes, corporate power.
In other words, like, yes, people wanted to break from woke,
but they did not want the corresponding mirror version of
a culture war. They want you to talk to them
about their grocery things, and they want and if you
point out the girls sports stuff as an indicator that
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these people are totally out of touch with your views
and your concerns, that's what that is.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I thought that was a good way of putting in.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I also I just think Mom Donnie in New York
City is its own thing. It's not really comparable to
a lot of places. And the truth is he was
running against Andrew Como, who was a horrific candidate. And
you know, I have to say, I feel like I
have been saying it on this show, but in general,
I have limited my fire.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Before the election on Andrew Como.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I didn't want to be the New Yorker who left
and is not letting the New Yorkers get their right.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
So I didn't, for example, talk.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
About how horrible his last AD was, which was like
literally chat GPT generic, like I'm a politician, I want
the things that you want, vote for me, the politician,
and it was like zero personality. He never seemed like
he wanted it. He never worked hard enough, he never
asked conservatives for their vote. He never endorsed any of
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the Republicans running under him. Wadmaran was a great example
of that. She was running for district attorney. She could
have used his endorsement. He was a terrible candidate. So
like we could take the lesson that New Yorkers wanted socialism,
and maybe they did, but it was fairly close, and
it was Andrew Cuomo that people had to turn to.
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When I look at, for example, my South Brooklyn, my
home kind of area of South Brooklyn, it went overwhelmingly
for Andrew Cuomo. This is an area that voted for
Donald Trump. Before these people understood what to do. They
understood that they had to vote not for courtesy with
a Republican but for angew Caomo. I'm sure that was
hard for some people, and yet they did it anyway.
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And I'm sure that a better candidate who wasn't phoning
it in could have beat Mom Donnie.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah are uh.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Rob Henderson, who famously coined the term luxury beliefs, He
noted that the working class didn't go for zorn college grads.
Did college grade college grad women in particular, who were
a huge, huge part of that. No, I'm with you
one of the I think one of the warnings out
of this for anyone who's interested in like a sort
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of fringy, charming, charming person not getting major nominations in
their party should not nominate a scandal ridden NEPO baby
entitlement guy to face seems like an easy call, new
interesting face of your party. Like, I don't think that's
going to go well because I think people are in
their sort of constant annoyance back and forth with either party.
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You know, they're looking for a new messenger. They like
the outsider thing. And Mum Dannie for all of his
faults and all the things. I disagree with him. And frankly,
he hasn't worked very hard at any other job he's
ever had. He did hit the street.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Got it, Yep, he did all the things. Yeah, he
really did. He wanted it. He wanted it.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And Andrew Como did not.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
And about Curtis Sliva like this was his second time running.
I like Curtis Leiwa. I always respected him. I always
liked the work that he did with the Guardian Angels.
He used to make my grandma feel safe in the
nineteen he's in Brooklyn, when she would see him on
the subway, I have, you know, a warmth for him.
It's over with Curtis Leiwa, Like Republicans in New York
need to rebuild. They need to go back to that
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feeling that they had right after Eric Adams dropped out,
where they were looking around and hoping to find like
a bloomberg ye businessman and to run that guy. Start
that process now, because guess what, in four years the
election comes right around again, Like.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yes it does.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Yes, it doesn't don't be like, oh you know who,
we have Curtis Leewa again, Like enough of that, find
a busy man.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And you run him.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Did you listen to Mom Donnie's victory speech.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yes, it was. You know, I felt like we called it.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I think we saw that one coming. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
I was like Mary, Catherine and I a lot of things.
People were surprised. You know, I know you're friendly with
Van Jones. Van Jones was very surprised and disappointed in
the speech. He said, I felt like it was a
little bit of a character switch here where the warm, open,
embracing guy that's close to working people was not on
stage night, and then there was some other voice on stage.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
If you listened to normally, he'd know we predicted this.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, it was coming.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
It was a very ooh he was feeling himself, Carol. Yep,
he was feeling himself. And look he earned this. It's
a twenty two minute long speech. We listened so you
don't have to. It was very aggressive. Yeah, it was
very much him stating explicitly that I am the foil
to Trump. That's why I'm here. He also said something
weird which didn't make sense to me. He was like,
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what better to figure out how to defeat Trump than
the city that created him? And I was like, really,
that does make sense. Yeah, but it was very aggressive.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
He said.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
At one point, I know you're listening. Trump, I know
you're watching. I have four words for you.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Uh yeah, turn the volume of volume.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And I was like what as battle cries go like
not that badass.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
But I literally was like turn, uh yeah, it is forwards. Okay,
all right, you could have been turned the volume, you
know whatever.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
We do have a clip actually of Mom Donnie saying,
what is just a terrifying sentence. We will prove that
there is no problem too large for government to solve
and no concern too small for it.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
To care about.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
No, he don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
He also sets the expectations super high.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I mean he he said it.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
He said, I'm going to set the expectations high for
this administration, and we're going to meet them. And I
believe the three big things at the end that he
talked about were freeze the rent, so magically there's going
to be new housing even though we're freezing the raising.
There's going to be fast and free and safe buses.
And I think the third one was just universal healthcare.
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I don't know how that one's, you know, going to
happen if you're jam and dream big. That's that's like
when the kid in middle school says he'll serve you
like now that you're a candio at.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Yeah, he'll have the soda fountain in the cafeteria.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
With the buses.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
By the way, I thought of you know that, you
know the thing where it's like you can have cheap,
fast or good.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I know very well choose too.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
These buses are not going to be safe, fast and free.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah clean, it's not not going to be a good.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Situation that's going to happen, but those are.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You know, he makes it very easy to measure his
progress because he gave the three promises and he said
we're going to make it happen.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So we'll check out.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Can't raise taxes. That's a state thing to pay for
those free buses.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
So already check that one off the list, because Kathy
Hochel is not raising taxes before her own run against
at least a five not happening. We're going to take
a short break and come right back at looking ahead
after these elections.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Be right back.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
We are back on normally where we're licking our wounds
from the election last night.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And looking ahead.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
And one of the things that I've just mentioned we're
looking ahead too, is there's going to be a governor's
race in New York and all of these polls are
showing it very tight or with least definek actually leading
Kathy Hokel. So the question will become how much is
Kathy Hokeel going to bend to zorarmm Dannie? Is she
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going to let any of his policies that require state
approval will get through. The Governor and the mayor of
New York City famously hate each other always, every single time.
They don't like each other. And it doesn't matter if
they're from the same party. Andrew Cuomo and bilde Blasio
hated each other, George Pataki and Rudy Giuliani hated each other.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
It's like a whole thing.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
So it really will be interesting to see what happens
with this.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, and it's also you know, of course, many Republicans
are rubbing their hands together to have mom Donny as
the face of the party, and he has positioned himself
as that. I do wonder a little bit, do you
think AOC is a little salty because he's going to
be like the new thing.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I don't know your hit he's in her lane.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I mean, he's is, but he can't go anywhere because
he was born in Uganda, so true, he can't be president.
He is no threat to her. And I mean, is
he going to run against her for Chuck Schumer's seat?
I kind of don't see it.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Well, a friend here, I'm speaking at several things this week,
but someone made the point to me, just a little
point of light, a brightness that you know, the New
York Mayoralty is supposed to be this giant jumping off
place for national stardom on several occasions, and it has
not come to fruition. Bloomberg being happens, Well know who
Bloomberg is, but he kept failing once he hit the
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national stage. That's happened several times over It may indeed
happen with this guy as well. But meanwhile, Republicans do
get to run against the idea of actual socialism. And
he's out there on stage saying I am a democratic
socialist and I'm not apologizing for it, period.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
And he uses communist lingo in his tweets and stuff
communists in his all the time.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
You know, from each according to their ability to you know,
everybody according to their means.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Whatever.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Alex Soros, George Soros's son, get thrilled about the communist mayor.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Like billionaires, We like billionaires, We like.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Some billionaires, Mary Catherine.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yeah, it's funny because you know, I thought we weren't
allowed to be so open about our billionaire friendships.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
But Alex Soros seems to get a.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Pass righteous the righteous billionaires.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, the one they will.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Get a pass in the in the new in the revolution.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, they won't be against the wall.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Not led by the working class, but led by the
Ivy League in New York City. I do think again,
looking forward, there were indications we were looking for whether
sort of young men or Latino voters would stick around
with the Republican Party, and largely it looks like they
either didn't turn out or did not vote for Republicans.
Jake Sherman notes that two heavily Latino counties in New
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Jersey that Trump won in twenty twenty four slong back
to the left, Sheryl flap Passaic and Cumberland Counties, and
improved Harris's margin in Hudson County by a double digit advantage.
And then, as you and I were tossing around earlier today,
the young women numbers are just out down. Yeah, and
if you don't, if the party doesn't start to work
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on a little bit of convincing and peeling off with
that demographic, they will be in the same situation that
Democrats are in with young dudes.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Right, Absolutely, except by the way, young women are more
reliable voters.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Right, it's more problem, quite tough that we've picked up
the voters who are not reliable. There's also the issue
that you know again, you know, we talked about the
Nick fuents, the Tucker Carlson Nick Fuentes after yesterday's election
came out and was like that him and his whatever
idiot roper's are thrilled about the election and that if
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the you know, MAGA doesn't start to take them seriously,
they're going to campaign against them in Virginia whatever he
said in Iowa and New Hampshire. Listen, this is an
anti American faction of the Republican Party, and I actually
don't see them as part of the right. But if
people keep making room for this guy, he tells you
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he wants to destroy your movement and if you're too
dumb to just take it.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Will Yeah, Well, in the analog on the left, like
both sides have to deal with this type of gatekeeping
or type of discussion within the party. And even though
the Abigail Spanberger's and the Mikey Cheryls of the world
put on their pastel suits and look, yeah, they look
normally coded, the party is still dealing with this. There's
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a New York magazine spread that our friend Beckett Adams
describes this way. In a glossy spread published this week
by New York Magaziness Intelligence Are, the publication gushed over
the twenty five youngest Democrats to Watch. Among those listed
as the most promising politicians of the next generation are
a man who believes he's a woman, a mayor who
threw a coloreds only Christmas party, a self proclaimed gen
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Z influencer indicted for obstructing federal officers, an oyster man
who until a few weeks ago sported a sizable Nazi
tattoo on his chest, and an eco radical former congressional
chief of staff known best for buying his position with
campaign donations and pushing the Green New Deal. So like,
if that's what they continue to push, everybody can get
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too big for their bridges and the vibe is telling
them that they can do whatever they want.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
The vibe is not telling you that. And I think
the vibe shift may have made Trump a little big.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
For his bridges on some of these issues, and this
might lead to an adjustment right.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Denesh Desoso pointed out that very South Asian precinct in
Virginia which had swung from Trump plus thirty to Mickey
Cheryl plus seventy six, and Dnesh points out a very
loud group on the right said Indians go home, and
so many of them did to the Democratic Party. We
can't have these losers in our tent. And this, you know,
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I get a lot of like, oh, you just don't
like them. On Israel has zero to do with Israel. Again,
Nick Foints today was specifically talking to Tucker, said, this
is not about Israel. This is about Jewish power, and
you're going to continue to lose people. The normies don't
like this.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
If you tell people, if you tell people you don't
want them as part of your coalition, they will oblige you.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
That's how that works. And we're building coalitions, that's what
you're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Yeah, we'll be right back on normally talking about the
hottest female rapper, and we're not about talking about her rapping.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
So yeah, we are back on normally where.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Nicki Minaj Niki Manage is the only outspoken voice in
Hollywood about Christians being killed in various places in Africa. Yep,
it's actually amazing she you know, I remember she took
a stand against the COVID vaccine, which was risky at
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the time. She did, however, have some crazy reason for
being against it that wasn't like it was like something
about like men's testicles, like shriveling up or something whatever,
whatever it was, that wasn't like she might have had
the right, you know, take, but she kind of had
the wrong details anyway. Donald Trump tweeted Christianity's facing an
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existential threat in Nigeria. Thousands of Christians are being killed.
Radical Islamists or responsible for this mass slaughter. I'm hereby
making Nigeria a country of particular concern, but that is
the least of it. When Christians or any such group
is slaughtered like it's happening in Nigeria thirty one hundred
versus forty four hundred and seventy six worldwide, something must
be done. I'm asking Congressman Riley Moore, together with Chairman
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Tom Cole, to immediately look into this manner and report
back to me. We stand ready, willing and able to
save our great Christian population around the world. And you
know that's great. So nick what did Nikki say?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So Nicki Minaj's tweets the President and his team. Thanks
to the President and his team for taking this seriously.
God bless every persecuted Christian. Let's remember to lift them
up in prayer. And she went on to continue to
defend herself because of course people like how dare you? Yeah,
she responds to people over and over again saying things like,
imagine hearing that Christians are being murdered and making about
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your sexual orientation. I'll advocate for you the same way
I'm advocating for murdered Christians in Nigeria. I always have
just remember that diligently, compassionately. Just remembered that part too,
So she's not shutting up about it.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
And I believe she was invited to the White House
or no, she was invited up to the unn by
like well yeah, and she.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Said, yeah, that sounds nice.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I'd like to be there right, just the.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Fact that she's the only one saying anything, or you know,
there's a couple of other like Patricia Heaton obviously is
so amazing on basically everything. But you know, there just
isn't that many people in Hollywood saying a word about
these murdered Christians.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I would say that.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
People on the right are quiet about it in a
way that I think is abhorrent, and it's important that
Donald Trump does something about it. I know we're not
supposed to flex American muscle everywhere around the world, or
we're called neo cons, but I think actually protecting Christians
in Nigeria is a very good use of American power.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Well, and bringing and also using soft power and using
people like Nicki Minaj to bring attention to this is
powerful in a sense in and of itself, even when
we're not on the ground or.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
What have you.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
So I would love to see her at the UN Yes, please,
all the misogynist kingdoms are going to have to be like, oh,
Nikki right and soor sensor that cover her arms.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I would enjoy it very much.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Also, just like everything about this era makes for the
strangest bedfellows, and here we have another one. I would
just say, as a wrap up on the election stuff
that this is these sort of foreign policy and pressure
issues have been so successful for Trump, and he continues
to bring home, in particular the remains of Israeli American
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citizens who were still in Gaza and they're on their
way home and being honored finally, and so that all
that is good. And also he's got to make the
pitch domestically that he's doing all the things to make
your agree quality of life better and he's got to
get on that.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
You could have Nikki deliver that message via rap i
quite like her music.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
I am Mary Catherine Ham.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
And I'm Carol Markowitz.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
We are recording this the day after election day, which
didn't go that well for Republicans. But I was not
at all surprised, Like, this wasn't one of those like,
oh my god, what happened? This is crazy. The only
one that I was a little bit surprised was how
much j Jones, the attorney general candidate in Virginia who
(00:35):
wished death on his political opponent and her children or
his children, that he won by quite a bit. That
was upsetting and disappointing, but still not totally surprising.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Like, I'm pretty good. I've lived through a lot of
election disappointments over the years. I will say the same
the same.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
J Jones won.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Smarts a little like it feels more personal personal, right.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Because you're like, oh, my neighbors are.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Like cool with this, Yes, yeah, they're cool with that.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I also think he's just a crook in general. In
addition to being a sociopath, he is a person who
was arrested for and prosecuted and excuse me, arrested and
convicted for reckless driving and then did not do his
community service and infacted his community service for himself for
his pack, which is crazy down anyway, and also inflated
his career as a prosecutor.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
But all of that's no good.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So all that's good.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I mean my top lines are look, I think certainly
a very pleasing night for Democrats. To me, the margins
are impressive, and I think worrisome for Republicans because yes,
New Jersey and Virginia were Harris plus six ish states
a little under six. I believe Cheryl's up over like
(01:55):
eleven or twelve at this point. Obviously that it'll be continue,
it'll be finished counting at some point.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
By the way, I got up at like three thirty,
so I'm just a little There's also kay.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
And in Virginia also a double digit win for Abigail Spamberger.
I believe that's the first time for a double digit
win like that for a Democrat since two thousand and nine,
so that is substantial. It also led to down ballot
problems for Republicans in the state of Virginia, so the
in the last ten years, Republicans will go from having
(02:29):
a supermajority to like closer to a Democratic supermajority, and
they're going to do a lot of shady things down
in Richmond. There's also indications that in places like for instance,
Bucks County, Pennsylvania, which is the swingiest county of the
swingiest state, like the county you're looking for, a lot
of those local elections went left and they were nationalized
(02:52):
about immigration and economic concerns. So the GOP has a
year to prove to people that it can do the
economic and helped them.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, and get turnout to where it needs to be.
As we've talked about on this show, a lot of
the GOP new voters are low propensity voters, and that's
a problem for the GOP because they aren't the ones
who come out for the state for the school board elections,
and they don't come out for the state houses, and
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all of that is of course a problem. I will
say there were some bright spots that nobody's mentioning because
they're kind of small, But then so is the school
board in Bucks County. It's kind of like we're only
getting the negative news out of those smaller elections. But
I'll tell you in New York, the Nassau County executive,
Bruce Blakeman won reelection. That one was supposed to be
(03:42):
tight and ended up not being that tight. In Miami Beach,
you know, I've mentioned on the show before that Miami
has a lot of mayors. They don't have a lot
of power, but they have. Miami Beach mayor is kind
of his own thing, and he does have quite a
bit of power. And he cleaned up South Beach, Stephen Minor,
he really did some amazing work down there, and that
was supposed to be super tight, got called fairly early
(04:03):
that he had won it.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
So are these giant races. No, but those are two
blue areas.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Long Island is getting redder, and you know, COVID kind
of moved it redder. And the presidential election they voted
for Trump. But in general it's a suburb of New
York and it's not a deep red enclave. And Bruce
Blakeman winning that is great Miami Beach. You know, Republicans
simply don't have that many city mayors, and so the
fact that he has won reelection there Stephen Minor, that's great.
(04:33):
In Miami the city, it's going to be a runoff
between the Democrat and Republican. That could have gone worse
because the third place person is another Democrat. It could
have been a runoff between a Democrat and a Democrat.
It's a Republican mayor right now, Brantis Suarez.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Again, this isn't a New York City mayorship. They have
like four neighborhoods. It's not that huge a deal.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
But again, if we're talking about school boards in Bucks County,
I don't see why we shouldn't be mentioning some of
the smaller but good results from last night.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
No, this is fair.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I think in any situation where a party has a
bad election night, you have to you have to sort
of like short circuit your emotional response. And Gosha, I
heard this from somebody at some point that said, just like,
I am accepting this data like data received, right. Yes, yes,
(05:25):
there's an update to my priors and we're thinking about it, right.
And so I think, especially the way that these off
your elections are set up. Again, expectations were not high
for Republicans, but I think some of these margins are concerning.
It gives you a year to figure out what kind
of pitch you want to be making, I thought Emily
Joshinsky had a great way of putting it.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
She said, yeah, like these were reaches to begin with.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
We've said on the show.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah yeah, But she said tonight is good evidence that
some of what felt like the future during peak Woke
won't work without being tethered to Mom Donnie's style, affordability
of sessions.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
After the vibes talk about I want to talk about girls' sports.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Great, frame it as an elite fixation and tie it
right back to your message about jobs, taxes, corporate power.
In other words, like, yes, people wanted to break from woke,
but they did not want the corresponding mirror version of
a culture war. They want you to talk to them
about their grocery things, and they want and if you
point out the girls sports stuff as an indicator that
(06:24):
these people are totally out of touch with your views
and your concerns, that's what that is.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I thought that was a good way of putting in.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I also I just think Mom Donnie in New York
City is its own thing. It's not really comparable to
a lot of places. And the truth is he was
running against Andrew Como, who was a horrific candidate. And
you know, I have to say, I feel like I
have been saying it on this show, but in general,
I have limited my fire.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Before the election on Andrew Como.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I didn't want to be the New Yorker who left
and is not letting the New Yorkers get their right.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
So I didn't, for example, talk.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
About how horrible his last AD was, which was like
literally chat GPT generic, like I'm a politician, I want
the things that you want, vote for me, the politician,
and it was like zero personality. He never seemed like
he wanted it. He never worked hard enough, he never
asked conservatives for their vote. He never endorsed any of
(07:23):
the Republicans running under him. Wadmaran was a great example
of that. She was running for district attorney. She could
have used his endorsement. He was a terrible candidate. So
like we could take the lesson that New Yorkers wanted socialism,
and maybe they did, but it was fairly close, and
it was Andrew Cuomo that people had to turn to.
(07:43):
When I look at, for example, my South Brooklyn, my
home kind of area of South Brooklyn, it went overwhelmingly
for Andrew Cuomo. This is an area that voted for
Donald Trump. Before these people understood what to do. They
understood that they had to vote not for courtesy with
a Republican but for angew Caomo. I'm sure that was
hard for some people, and yet they did it anyway.
(08:04):
And I'm sure that a better candidate who wasn't phoning
it in could have beat Mom Donnie.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah are uh.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Rob Henderson, who famously coined the term luxury beliefs, He
noted that the working class didn't go for zorn college grads.
Did college grade college grad women in particular, who were
a huge, huge part of that. No, I'm with you
one of the I think one of the warnings out
of this for anyone who's interested in like a sort
(08:36):
of fringy, charming, charming person not getting major nominations in
their party should not nominate a scandal ridden NEPO baby
entitlement guy to face seems like an easy call, new
interesting face of your party. Like, I don't think that's
going to go well because I think people are in
their sort of constant annoyance back and forth with either party.
(08:58):
You know, they're looking for a new messenger. They like
the outsider thing. And Mum Dannie for all of his
faults and all the things. I disagree with him. And frankly,
he hasn't worked very hard at any other job he's
ever had. He did hit the street.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Got it, Yep, he did all the things. Yeah, he
really did. He wanted it. He wanted it.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And Andrew Como did not.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
And about Curtis Sliva like this was his second time running.
I like Curtis Leiwa. I always respected him. I always
liked the work that he did with the Guardian Angels.
He used to make my grandma feel safe in the
nineteen he's in Brooklyn, when she would see him on
the subway, I have, you know, a warmth for him.
It's over with Curtis Leiwa, Like Republicans in New York
need to rebuild. They need to go back to that
(09:38):
feeling that they had right after Eric Adams dropped out,
where they were looking around and hoping to find like
a bloomberg ye businessman and to run that guy. Start
that process now, because guess what, in four years the
election comes right around again, Like.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yes it does.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Yes, it doesn't don't be like, oh you know who,
we have Curtis Leewa again, Like enough of that, find
a busy man.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And you run him.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Did you listen to Mom Donnie's victory speech.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yes, it was. You know, I felt like we called it.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I think we saw that one coming. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
I was like Mary, Catherine and I a lot of things.
People were surprised. You know, I know you're friendly with
Van Jones. Van Jones was very surprised and disappointed in
the speech. He said, I felt like it was a
little bit of a character switch here where the warm, open,
embracing guy that's close to working people was not on
stage night, and then there was some other voice on stage.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
If you listened to normally, he'd know we predicted this.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, it was coming.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
It was a very ooh he was feeling himself, Carol. Yep,
he was feeling himself. And look he earned this. It's
a twenty two minute long speech. We listened so you
don't have to. It was very aggressive. Yeah, it was
very much him stating explicitly that I am the foil
to Trump. That's why I'm here. He also said something
weird which didn't make sense to me. He was like,
(10:56):
what better to figure out how to defeat Trump than
the city that created him? And I was like, really,
that does make sense. Yeah, but it was very aggressive.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
He said.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
At one point, I know you're listening. Trump, I know
you're watching. I have four words for you.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Uh yeah, turn the volume of volume.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And I was like what as battle cries go like
not that badass.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
But I literally was like turn, uh yeah, it is forwards. Okay,
all right, you could have been turned the volume, you
know whatever.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
We do have a clip actually of Mom Donnie saying,
what is just a terrifying sentence. We will prove that
there is no problem too large for government to solve
and no concern too small for it.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
To care about.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
No, he don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
He also sets the expectations super high.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I mean he he said it.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
He said, I'm going to set the expectations high for
this administration, and we're going to meet them. And I
believe the three big things at the end that he
talked about were freeze the rent, so magically there's going
to be new housing even though we're freezing the raising.
There's going to be fast and free and safe buses.
And I think the third one was just universal healthcare.
(12:11):
I don't know how that one's, you know, going to
happen if you're jam and dream big. That's that's like
when the kid in middle school says he'll serve you
like now that you're a candio at.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Yeah, he'll have the soda fountain in the cafeteria.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
With the buses.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
By the way, I thought of you know that, you
know the thing where it's like you can have cheap,
fast or good.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I know very well choose too.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
These buses are not going to be safe, fast and free.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah clean, it's not not going to be a good.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Situation that's going to happen, but those are.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You know, he makes it very easy to measure his
progress because he gave the three promises and he said
we're going to make it happen.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So we'll check out.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Can't raise taxes. That's a state thing to pay for
those free buses.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
So already check that one off the list, because Kathy
Hochel is not raising taxes before her own run against
at least a five not happening. We're going to take
a short break and come right back at looking ahead
after these elections.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Be right back.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
We are back on normally where we're licking our wounds
from the election last night.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And looking ahead.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
And one of the things that I've just mentioned we're
looking ahead too, is there's going to be a governor's
race in New York and all of these polls are
showing it very tight or with least definek actually leading
Kathy Hokel. So the question will become how much is
Kathy Hokeel going to bend to zorarmm Dannie? Is she
(13:38):
going to let any of his policies that require state
approval will get through. The Governor and the mayor of
New York City famously hate each other always, every single time.
They don't like each other. And it doesn't matter if
they're from the same party. Andrew Cuomo and bilde Blasio
hated each other, George Pataki and Rudy Giuliani hated each other.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
It's like a whole thing.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
So it really will be interesting to see what happens
with this.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, and it's also you know, of course, many Republicans
are rubbing their hands together to have mom Donny as
the face of the party, and he has positioned himself
as that. I do wonder a little bit, do you
think AOC is a little salty because he's going to
be like the new thing.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I don't know your hit he's in her lane.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I mean, he's is, but he can't go anywhere because
he was born in Uganda, so true, he can't be president.
He is no threat to her. And I mean, is
he going to run against her for Chuck Schumer's seat?
I kind of don't see it.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Well, a friend here, I'm speaking at several things this week,
but someone made the point to me, just a little
point of light, a brightness that you know, the New
York Mayoralty is supposed to be this giant jumping off
place for national stardom on several occasions, and it has
not come to fruition. Bloomberg being happens, Well know who
Bloomberg is, but he kept failing once he hit the
(14:59):
national stage. That's happened several times over It may indeed
happen with this guy as well. But meanwhile, Republicans do
get to run against the idea of actual socialism. And
he's out there on stage saying I am a democratic
socialist and I'm not apologizing for it, period.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
And he uses communist lingo in his tweets and stuff
communists in his all the time.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
You know, from each according to their ability to you know,
everybody according to their means.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Whatever.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Alex Soros, George Soros's son, get thrilled about the communist mayor.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Like billionaires, We like billionaires, We like.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Some billionaires, Mary Catherine.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yeah, it's funny because you know, I thought we weren't
allowed to be so open about our billionaire friendships.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
But Alex Soros seems to get a.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Pass righteous the righteous billionaires.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, the one they will.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Get a pass in the in the new in the revolution.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, they won't be against the wall.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Not led by the working class, but led by the
Ivy League in New York City. I do think again,
looking forward, there were indications we were looking for whether
sort of young men or Latino voters would stick around
with the Republican Party, and largely it looks like they
either didn't turn out or did not vote for Republicans.
Jake Sherman notes that two heavily Latino counties in New
(16:21):
Jersey that Trump won in twenty twenty four slong back
to the left, Sheryl flap Passaic and Cumberland Counties, and
improved Harris's margin in Hudson County by a double digit advantage.
And then, as you and I were tossing around earlier today,
the young women numbers are just out down. Yeah, and
if you don't, if the party doesn't start to work
(16:42):
on a little bit of convincing and peeling off with
that demographic, they will be in the same situation that
Democrats are in with young dudes.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Right, Absolutely, except by the way, young women are more
reliable voters.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Right, it's more problem, quite tough that we've picked up
the voters who are not reliable. There's also the issue
that you know again, you know, we talked about the
Nick fuents, the Tucker Carlson Nick Fuentes after yesterday's election
came out and was like that him and his whatever
idiot roper's are thrilled about the election and that if
(17:19):
the you know, MAGA doesn't start to take them seriously,
they're going to campaign against them in Virginia whatever he
said in Iowa and New Hampshire. Listen, this is an
anti American faction of the Republican Party, and I actually
don't see them as part of the right. But if
people keep making room for this guy, he tells you
(17:40):
he wants to destroy your movement and if you're too
dumb to just take it.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Will Yeah, Well, in the analog on the left, like
both sides have to deal with this type of gatekeeping
or type of discussion within the party. And even though
the Abigail Spanberger's and the Mikey Cheryls of the world
put on their pastel suits and look, yeah, they look
normally coded, the party is still dealing with this. There's
(18:07):
a New York magazine spread that our friend Beckett Adams
describes this way. In a glossy spread published this week
by New York Magaziness Intelligence Are, the publication gushed over
the twenty five youngest Democrats to Watch. Among those listed
as the most promising politicians of the next generation are
a man who believes he's a woman, a mayor who
threw a coloreds only Christmas party, a self proclaimed gen
(18:28):
Z influencer indicted for obstructing federal officers, an oyster man
who until a few weeks ago sported a sizable Nazi
tattoo on his chest, and an eco radical former congressional
chief of staff known best for buying his position with
campaign donations and pushing the Green New Deal. So like,
if that's what they continue to push, everybody can get
(18:49):
too big for their bridges and the vibe is telling
them that they can do whatever they want.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
The vibe is not telling you that. And I think
the vibe shift may have made Trump a little big.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
For his bridges on some of these issues, and this
might lead to an adjustment right.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Denesh Desoso pointed out that very South Asian precinct in
Virginia which had swung from Trump plus thirty to Mickey
Cheryl plus seventy six, and Dnesh points out a very
loud group on the right said Indians go home, and
so many of them did to the Democratic Party. We
can't have these losers in our tent. And this, you know,
(19:25):
I get a lot of like, oh, you just don't
like them. On Israel has zero to do with Israel. Again,
Nick Foints today was specifically talking to Tucker, said, this
is not about Israel. This is about Jewish power, and
you're going to continue to lose people. The normies don't
like this.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
If you tell people, if you tell people you don't
want them as part of your coalition, they will oblige you.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
That's how that works. And we're building coalitions, that's what
you're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Yeah, we'll be right back on normally talking about the
hottest female rapper, and we're not about talking about her rapping.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
So yeah, we are back on normally where.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Nicki Minaj Niki Manage is the only outspoken voice in
Hollywood about Christians being killed in various places in Africa. Yep,
it's actually amazing she you know, I remember she took
a stand against the COVID vaccine, which was risky at
(20:28):
the time. She did, however, have some crazy reason for
being against it that wasn't like it was like something
about like men's testicles, like shriveling up or something whatever,
whatever it was, that wasn't like she might have had
the right, you know, take, but she kind of had
the wrong details anyway. Donald Trump tweeted Christianity's facing an
(20:52):
existential threat in Nigeria. Thousands of Christians are being killed.
Radical Islamists or responsible for this mass slaughter. I'm hereby
making Nigeria a country of particular concern, but that is
the least of it. When Christians or any such group
is slaughtered like it's happening in Nigeria thirty one hundred
versus forty four hundred and seventy six worldwide, something must
be done. I'm asking Congressman Riley Moore, together with Chairman
(21:14):
Tom Cole, to immediately look into this manner and report
back to me. We stand ready, willing and able to
save our great Christian population around the world. And you
know that's great. So nick what did Nikki say?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So Nicki Minaj's tweets the President and his team. Thanks
to the President and his team for taking this seriously.
God bless every persecuted Christian. Let's remember to lift them
up in prayer. And she went on to continue to
defend herself because of course people like how dare you? Yeah,
she responds to people over and over again saying things like,
imagine hearing that Christians are being murdered and making about
(21:49):
your sexual orientation. I'll advocate for you the same way
I'm advocating for murdered Christians in Nigeria. I always have
just remember that diligently, compassionately. Just remembered that part too,
So she's not shutting up about it.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
And I believe she was invited to the White House
or no, she was invited up to the unn by
like well yeah, and she.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Said, yeah, that sounds nice.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I'd like to be there right, just the.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Fact that she's the only one saying anything, or you know,
there's a couple of other like Patricia Heaton obviously is
so amazing on basically everything. But you know, there just
isn't that many people in Hollywood saying a word about
these murdered Christians.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I would say that.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
People on the right are quiet about it in a
way that I think is abhorrent, and it's important that
Donald Trump does something about it. I know we're not
supposed to flex American muscle everywhere around the world, or
we're called neo cons, but I think actually protecting Christians
in Nigeria is a very good use of American power.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Well, and bringing and also using soft power and using
people like Nicki Minaj to bring attention to this is
powerful in a sense in and of itself, even when
we're not on the ground or.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
What have you.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
So I would love to see her at the UN Yes, please,
all the misogynist kingdoms are going to have to be like, oh,
Nikki right and soor sensor that cover her arms.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I would enjoy it very much.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Also, just like everything about this era makes for the
strangest bedfellows, and here we have another one. I would
just say, as a wrap up on the election stuff
that this is these sort of foreign policy and pressure
issues have been so successful for Trump, and he continues
to bring home, in particular the remains of Israeli American
(23:36):
citizens who were still in Gaza and they're on their
way home and being honored finally, and so that all
that is good. And also he's got to make the
pitch domestically that he's doing all the things to make
your agree quality of life better and he's got to
get on that.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
You could have Nikki deliver that message via rap i
quite like her music.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
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