May 6, 2025 • 32 mins
In this episode of Normally, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz discuss Donald Trump's unusual proposals, including rebuilding Alcatraz and addressing the Hollywood film industry's challenges. The conversation shifts to a recent controversy involving Barstool Sports and anti-Semitism, highlighting the reactions of public figures. Finally, they explore the Walz Family and their unorthodox thoughts on running. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey guys, we are back on normally the show with
normal it takes for when the news gets weird. I
am Mary Catherine Ham.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm Cayrol Marko Witz. You know, Mary Catherine. I was
thinking this that we record on Mondays and air on Tuesdays.
But and I ask you how your weekend went, and
sometimes that's you know, a little delayed on Tuesday. But
I think you had a very eventful weekend, right, I
think your weekend holds into Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yeah. I took my children camping this weekend, which I
think we're a little camping cursed because it's in the
past like five years. I've taken them two times, and
one time it was thirty four degrees outside and the
second time it rained all night. Yeah, the entire night.
So I did that, and then in my great wisdom,
I came back and did a huge workout for the
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Travis Mannen Foundation with like three hundred back squats and
a bunch of running, and then I watched a terrible, terrible,
terrible movie. Well movie another simple favor.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Oh yeah, it all not look good.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
No. The only reason this is getting press is because
Blake Lively's in it, and so her controversy is giving
it press right. Anna Kendrick is the other lead, and
she is charming as usual. But there's only so much
you could do girl, that it is. That thing's a disaster.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, you know, the socials are really trying to sell
me on that movie, but I don't really watch that
many things to begin with, so it's not going to
be that. I'm glad you've be viewed it for me
so I can conclusively say I will not be watching that.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I went in knowing it was going to be bad.
I was kind of hoping it'd be a hate watch,
and I knew that I was going to be semi
immobilized from camping plus workout, so you might as well.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
It's perfect do that.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
So that's what I did.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Well. Coming off the weekend, I think we might need
to have a semi regular segment. It's just like weird
ass weekend ideas from Donald Trump because the president's tweeting
through it like yes, sure, And he had a couple
things to pitch this weekend. Two ideas. One I'll start
with Alcatraz, but the other one is Hollywood based and
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we'll get into that. The first one is Rebuild and
open Alcatraz. For too long, America has been plagued by vicious, violent,
and repeat criminal offenders, the dregs of society who will
never contribute anything other than misery and suffering, both with capital. Beginning. Yes,
when we were a more serious nation in times past,
we did not hesitate to lock up the most dangerous
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criminals and keep them far away from anyone they could harm.
That's the way it's supposed to be. No longer will
we tolerate these serial offenders who spread filth, bloodshed, and
mayhem on our streets. Anyway, He's directing the Bureau of Prisons,
Apartment of Justice, FBI, Homeland Security to all get together
to figure out how to enlarge and rebuild Alcatraz, so
it can only be as large as the island. Correct.
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So I don't know how much enlarging we can do.
It's currently a museum owned by the federal government, so
at least they got that going.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Right by the Parks Department.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, this is the pitch, Carol, What do you think
you know?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I think what he's saying is we need a bad
ass prison in order to scare people away from doing crimes.
I'm not opposed to that. But if he starts reworking Alcatraz,
which as you mentioned, is a museum, it's going to
take years and years. I don't think that he'll still
be president by the time that happens. You know, he's
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a real estate developer. By a different island, make a
different prison. The thing is that prison building over the
last decade plus has become something that is very difficult
to do because we had this big, you know, movement
of to criminalize everything and defund police and don't put
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anyone in jail. And it got to where private prisons,
for example, couldn't get bank funding to those prisons because
it was just seen as such a touchy subject. So
I get what Donald Trump is saying, build more prisons
on for it. Forget about Alcatraz. It is just too complicated.
I visited Devil's Island a long time ago. That's also
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an island prison. It's now a resort. You know, maybe
maybe that could be the backup plan be here.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah. No, he has he has a way of doing
very specific weird pitches that I'm like, no, immediate no
on that. Yeah, But the very specific weird pitch touches
on a larger issue that. I'm like, he'll he'll do
it a different way. Like he one time in one
of his many, many speaking engagements last week, he just said, like,
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we're gonna do all the normal stuff. We're gonna put
the prisoner, put the criminals in jail, and we're not
going to have the boys play on the girls teams.
And he just lists them off, and I was like,
so much more of that, just like say the normal
things over again, over again instead of the weird specific thing.
I imagine that will be abandoned in a couple days. But
the Hollywood one is interesting as well. He has this
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to say, the movie industry is their truth posts. By
the way, the movie industry is in America is dying
a very fast death. Other countries are offering all sorts
of incentives to draw our filmmakers and studios away from
the United States. Hollywood and many other areas within the
USA are being devastated. This is a concerted effort by
other nations and therefore a national security threat. It is
in addition to everything else messaging and propaganda. Therefore, I
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am authorizing the Department of Commerce and the United States
Trade Representative to immediately begin the process of instituting a
one hundred percent tariff on any and all movies coming
into our country that are produced in foreign lands. Capitalized again.
We want movies made in America again.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Okay, get and I don't like it because I don't
see why movies can't be made in America. And the
reason that they're not is because of leftist local government
in places like California. There were a number of artists
over the last few years who have taken a risk
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and spoken out and said it's very tough to make
movies in California, and that's also true for New York.
Of course, all of this is kind of the problem
of the culture of those states. Why should they get
this big boon from the president in order to make
it easier for them to make their movies here?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And it provides a ready made excuse for Hollywood for
all these losses that it has incurred because of California's terrible,
terrible policies in governacently. And now they can be like, aha,
the foreigners did it to us, that's it. Now they
might be so negatively partisanly polarized that maybe California would
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be like, we should be a low regulation state who
allows people to make things so like I would love that.
I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think
Gavin Newson is going to become an abundance Democrat. But
this goes to our old complaint about Donald Trump from
the very beginning, which is he's too liberal for us. Yes,
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exactly too much of a Democrat for me. And this
is an old school protectionists make up excuses for lefty
policies kind of pitch, and I anti. The other problem
with it is that a I just like a lot
of choices. So if I pass on all the subtitle movies, fine,
but I want to have those choices. Him saying we
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should have fewer choices of either movies or dolls is
not good. But we also are a net exporter of services. Yeah,
we are a service nation. So if we decide that
we're going to tear off services and entertainment and people
decide they're going to retaliate, that's gonna go badly for us, right.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Considering we make most of the movies. Still, you know,
the protectionist stuff, I don't like it, but I particularly
don't like it when it's protecting industries that cause the
protectionism in the first place, and so right, it becomes
like there are other industries that I would quick be
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quicker to protect. Although again I don't think the presidency
picking winners and losers at all. I'm stating that very clearly.
But if you're going to protect certain industries, Hollywood is
the one that you've picked.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah. Why why these folks don't need your help man?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, exactly. Look, I think if we've seen anything from
California since the fires, it's that they will not learn lessons.
They refuse to learn lessons. The politicians just absolutely will
keep doing what they're doing. The people seem poised to
keep reelecting those politicians. After a while, it has to
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be their problem, their economy, and the fact that movies
films have left Hollywood has to be their problem.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yes, like y'all create hated this issue, I would say,
as far as it goes with California possibly learning a lesson,
I have enjoyed seeing Steve Hilton, who is a Republican
running for governor, used to be Fox News host and
he has this great branding which is all beautiful, yellow, bright, sunny,
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and the tag is golden again. And I just think
as far as simple political messaging goes. Even the most
hardened lib California has to be like ooh ooh, that
doesn't sound okay, right, I hope they lean into it.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I like Steve Hilton a lot, but I always have
hope that places of California and New York will turn
themselves around, and they always disappoint me. But I would
love to see Steve Hilton make a run of it
and show California what they can be again. And really,
I don't want to say make them great again, but
really make them great again, make them well, make them
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the kind of place that people will want to make
movies in again.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yep, it could be done, but you'd have to give
more than like four permits in four months after to
rebuild homes after these devastating files. They're fires like that
would be part of Yeah, that would be part of it.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, we'll be right back on normally.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Well.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Another incident over the Crazy Weekend on Saturday, apparently Barstool
Sports owns bars. I did not know this. It's a
great idea though, like Barstool is I think really capturing
a large segment of the young males. Dave Portnoy is
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a hero to many of them, he is the fearless leader.
So apparently at the barstool Sansum Street in downtown Philadelphia
over the weekend, when you order bottle service, you can
order a sign with it, so you could be like,
happy birthday, Mary Catherine, you know whatever. Apparently a group
ordered f the Jews, and the bar people made the
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sign for them. Those people have been wired.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, that's like the first thing right keeping should have
happened there.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, or like somebody should be like this is a
poor idea. But apparently they made the sign, and Dave Portnoy,
who owns the bar, is Jewish.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Video of course on video proudly.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
They were all very happy and dancing around with the sign. Now,
of course the proverbial should have hit the fan, and
they are saying, you know, who are these people, Let's
find them. One of them is a Temple University student
who has been named Dave Portnoy took to X saying
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that he was flaming mad and he was shaking, and
he was so angry about this, and you know, I
feel him. That's it makes me angry too. And it's
an his own bar, and I'm sure that it has
to be painful and hard. His initial reaction was, I
will find these people and end them for that. I
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am very much for the idea of you do something
like that, you should be named your name. I'm not saying,
you know, kick them out of school or anything, which
actually turns out to be a possibility as some of
them go to Temple University. I'm not saying ruin their lives,
but there absolutely should be consequences to this kind of thing.
But then his follow up tweet is he spoke to
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some people and now he thinks that he will be
sending the students of the people involved on a trip
to Auschwitz to take a tour of the Auschwitz death
camp and teach them about the Holocaust. And I hate this.
I hate this so much. I hate this from the
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bottom of my soul. I'm okay with teaching. I'm okay
with showing people the way. I'm okay with talking people
out of hate, which I think is a very difficult
thing to do, and I don't think it's that possible.
I think the people need to come to it on
their own right. Showing them Holocaust stuff just has never
worked for me. And if you recall, maybe about ten
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years ago, there was a DC City councilman who said
the Jews control the weather. The first thing people did
was take him to the Holocaust Museum. He left the
tour halfway through because he was like, oh, you know,
these people are not going to be like wow, other
people hated Jews, so I shouldn't. That's never going to
be the lesson. What do you think?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, so one, I appreciate that Portnoy was actually mad
about it. Yeah. And our friend Adam Rubinstein, I think,
was tweeting, Oh, I'm surprised to see stool presidente, which
is what his ex handle, is more morally outraged by
anti Semitism than Harvard and Columbia, right, And I'm like,
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I'm not, no, maybe ei there. Portnoy is very outspoken,
pretty ballsy, pretty clear eyed on some stuff. I would
say I often end up falling in the same category
as him. I feel like I might be a barstool Republican,
like that's I can see that actually kind of where
I am.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
You're gonna hang your saturdays for the boys?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, outside, well, and he created what he did. By
the way, the reason he's so successful is that he
created Fox News for sports, right, So it's just filling
a gap for people who want news about sports that's
not explicitly leftist. Like that's what he did. He was like,
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let's let's do that and let's make it fun. So
he did that, and then he also likes pizza, so
that that took off as well, because who doesn't like pizza? Pizza?
I liked that he was angry about it, and it
was more clear eyed than Harvard or any of the
Ivys have been about this, because it takes them a
year and a half to put together. There a three
hundred page report that is also presented alongside an Islamophobia report,
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because you couldn't just do anti of course. Yeah, but
I do agree with you that, like a trip to
Europe is not what these people deserve, right, I'm big on.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You should give trips to Europe to the people who
have supported you, not people who despise you. You know,
I've been saying this the whole time. I think the
Jewish community needs to do a much better job of
celebrating people who have been so good to us. Obviously
I include you in that, guy Benson. I include so
many amazing people, and I don't think we do that enough,
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and instead we send people like this to Europe too,
and you know these people are going to be like
hanging out in bars in Poland, like they're not going
to be I just can't picture the kind of person
who ate doesn't know about the Holocaust, doesn't know enough
about the Holocaust, but then will be moved by the
Holocaust when they see that people that they also hate
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have been murdered, you know, and mass I just I
can't picture how that works.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah. I think you also make a good point about
you've said taking them on a tour of the weakest
moment for the Jewish people. Yeah, maybe isn't the thing,
right And by the way, by that token, if you're
going to give them a fully funded trip somewhere, maybe
to right in the middle of Israel and be like this,
this is where the themselves, how do you like that?
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So go to a little IDF tour. But yeah, I
do think there is this big modern question of what
is the thing that you teach, how is the way
that you teach it. Because all of the money that
went into all of the Holocaust museums so that we
could say never again post October seventh, that became quite
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clear that a bunch of people had seen those museums
and they didn't care.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Right, Not only did that care, they saw that as
like either a blueprint or something that they had to deny.
They had to say that this never happened in order
for them to have the views that they have. I
just again, if you're in a bar and that's the
sign you pick, I don't want to say you're beyond help.
Because it sounded like their parents were mortified, and I
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hope that I hope so, I hope this isn't something
that they grew up with in their homes. I hope
that this is just something stupid that they did drunkenly
one night. But I just I've been drunk, I've been stupid.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I just this.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I've never been like, you know, what we should put
on the sign, like you know, I'd put like Jimmy's
an asshole. I wouldn't put, you know, Like, I just
I just cannot give them the kind of leeway that
I'm supposed to give them. And of course when I
tweet about this, I get a lot of like, well,
this is why people hate Jews, Like I don't think
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that this is why people hate Jews. Actually, because we
have refused.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
To just like, because you're mad at the f the jewice.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, that's why I'm not sure that's it. I don't
know that that's really it.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
And so.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, I hope Dave Portnoy changes his mind on that. Again,
you don't need to destroy these people alive. You want
to have conversations with them.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Do it.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
But a free trip to Europe to see our weakest
point too, you know, I just don't get it.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah. Well, and also just Harvard and Columbia, take a
look at what it looks like when someone's upset about
anti Semitism on the institution that they started. Exactly, that's
what it looks like when somebody is ticked off, right.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Dana White actually was very good on it. Also, there
was an MMA fighter that did a podcast denying the
Holocaust and it was like his first episode of the podcast,
and Dana White went on this like rip of him,
and he said, I'm not going to take away his
right to speak and say what he wants. I'm not
going to fire him, but I just want to say
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he's a moron and it has been hitting the head too often.
But he was mad, he was angry that this guy
was getting to use his business to kind of promote
himself in order to say this kind of stupid stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
That fighter also got knocked out, and Dave Portnoy was
at that knockout with an Israeli flag wearing a yamaka
I believe to wait in the crowd. So yeah again,
Colombia and Harvard, maybe take a look at yeah, look
at at the Portnoy and Dana White pr I don't
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know if they're going to look there, but there's a
lot more clarity than they have.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yes, exactly, We're going to take a short break and
come right back with normally our last topic today, Running
is a privileged to marry Catherine.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
So this is this is one of these like influencer
micro controversies, but it says a lot about where we are.
So there's a running influencer and I believe her name
is Kate Max. I'm not sure exactly how you.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, KZ, I hear you miss Max on the Z ending.
I understand I did not.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I did not follow her before I do now. And
here's why this is the cut reporting on this. By
the way, just so you can understand where the tone
is coming from. It says in times like these what's
so wrong with doing a little puff piece about the
White House and it's press secretary a lot? Actually, that's
what running influencer Kate Max found out this week when
she posted a video in which she gleefully interviewed the
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mouthpiece of the Trump administration, Caroline Levitt. Turns out that's
not really the content her followers wanted to see. Jog
along with me while I answer your questions about this
whole ordeal. Okay, we'll play just the beginning of this
little influencer vid where she just does. She tapes herself,
she tapes Caroline, and generally she goes running with each
person she does this with, whether it's the guy who
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played I think she's done with Patrick Swarzenegger recently. She's
done one with Tim Wallas in the past. We will
get to that. But here she is just getting an
insure to Caroline Lovett and then doing a walkthrough of
the White House. Hey, how many miles are you running today?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
No miles, because we're at the beautiful White House. But
why don't I give you a tour?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
My name is Caroline Lovett. I am from New Hampshire
and I am the White House Press secretary, and this
is the beautiful White House. We're currently walking on what
we call Pebble Beach. This is where all of the
press hang out. Guys, we have to stop for a
second and look at this.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I can't believe you get to wake up and be here.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Every single day.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And is this a dream come true for you?
Speaker 3 (21:27):
It is a dream come true. The White House is
so beautiful, especially this time of year. So that's where
President Trump and the first family live.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
So she goes, she's our a tour of the press room,
all this stuff. Okay, My only complaint about this video
is that they should they just should have run for
the video because Caroline is an athlete and that's the
format that she generally follows. But I get it, it's
the White House. The objection, of course, is that nothing
can be done around the White House. Well Donald Trump
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is in office. That is not explicitly made to tear down
Donald Trump. Right, we cannot normalize Caroline Levitt by chatting
with her as she gives you a tour of the
White House. And Kate is very clearly acting as if, oh,
this is cool. I'm at the White.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
House because it is cool.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
That's how normal people react. And a lot of the
Internet was upset by this, so they went after I
followed her because I'm like, girl, you didn't do anything wrong,
Like everybody needs to calm down. And of course, if
this had been a democratic press secretary spouting whatever her
boss wants her to spout, no problem, the Internet would
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have been fine with it. The silliest response, which also
went viral, is from Hope Waltz, who is Tim Waltz's daughter,
and she objects to this content because it's on the
same page as a pinned video of her dad running
with Kate. So here here's a little bit about the
sport of running as conceptualized by the Walls family.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Running as an act is political. And you know who
taught me that, Tim Walls. The first thing he told
me when I was first getting into it in high school. Granted,
I don't really do it as much anymore. I go
in spurts, but when I was first getting into it
in high school, the first thing he told me was
that running is a privilege, and being a part of
the running community is a privilege that not all people
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have access to. Whether you do it recreationally or you
race a lot or you are, you know, at the
elite level, it is a privilege, whether it be you
just having the time to run, access to funds to
buy the gear, access to you know, healthy quality foods
that fuel you as your training and as you're running,
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access to you know, a safe, stable situation that allows
you to be in a good mental state to be
able to run. All of those things are hard to
come by, and if you have them and are a
part of the running community, that is a privilege. And
that again was the first thing he taught me. I
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don't really understand our platforms.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
She goes on, and we're going to listen to more
of this, but can I just interject with a couple
of things. The first thing he taught you about running,
like not not hydrate, tell a friend you're running route,
stretch your quads, like none of those things. The first
thing was this is a political act. Second gear for
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running shoes and actually not even shoes. Sometimes some of
the best long distance runners come from developing countries where
they run barefoot, because there is a theory that that
is in fact the best way to a long distance run.
So there's that we can take gear of the off
the table. Healthy food the trashiest possible food is the
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best food for fueling when you are running. When you
are running a marathon, you get to eat Reese's pea
butter cups while you're running the marathon.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Man, you should, I should do that, just trash.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Because it's just quick carbs. That's all you need, right okay,
And then of course safety to run. This is so
silly and overwrought, and we're gonna let her go on
because it gets dumber.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Platforming and administration that cuts mental health services, cuts you
know funding and literal shipments to food banks, is entirely
hurting the climate. Because you can get into running in
the climate. That's a whole nother thing. But it's cutting
you know, funds to climate initiatives and actively hurting the
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planet in that way, sending people away without due process, villainizing,
villainizing minorities, all of those things are preventing people from
getting into the running community, which is what I thought
Kate's platform was for. But it's also just damaging to
society as a whole. We should not be normalizing these people.
I'm not going to tell anyone what to do with
their pay, but I think it's insulting to my dad
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to leave a certain video pinned, especially when he stands for,
quite literally the opposite of what this is administration is doing.
You don't get to both sides this, it's not both sides.
We are quite literally talking about good versus evil here,
and I'm just really disappointed the whole thing happened. I
was there when that video with my dad was filmed,
and I was very impressed with Kate, and this is
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just extremely disappointing, insane.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I don't say this a lot, actually insane, but this
is why you lost. This is why you lost. You
do this to people, and this is why people don't
want to be associated with the Democrats right now. It
is a toxic brand because of this kind of stuff.
Cancel Culture, for example, was always largely a left on
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left phenomenon. So it's not enough that Kate had a
video with Tim Walls as she pinned to the top
of her page. She also has to walk the line
and do exactly as they say after Tim Walls is
no longer running after that's already over. And the reason
that Hope Walls feels so comfortable targeting Kate Max, I
think is because it is the way to get somebody
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who is sensibly on the left herself, Kate Matts, I
assume is a liberal. She wants to get her back
in line and say you're not allowed to do this,
we don't do this, And she gives this insane list
of reasons why that ends up, including you know, immigration
and climate change and who knows, and ties it back
to running, like that's a real thing.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
It's just not. It's just not. And I would argue
that to the extent anyone is preventing people from getting
into the running community, it's people who talk like this, yeah,
who convince people that getting into that community would be
scary and weird and bad because you seem weird. I
don't you Imagining that there's these giant barriers to going
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on a run and telling people that it's super hard
because of the climate is not encouraging tell people to run.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
She's also discouraged.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yes, I also enjoyed. You've been thoroughly discouraged. You can
put it on her. I also enjoy that she's not
going to tell anyone what to do with their page,
except that she is exactly telling someone what to do
with her page. And then finally, the pathetic appeal to authority,
which is proximity to her dad while he filmed an
(28:28):
influencer video when he was running his failed campaign for
vice president. I'm not impressed. I'm not impressed.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, people are just weird, I know.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
And then the part where she's like, I was really
impressed with Kate. Maybe there's a reason for that. Maybe
it's not just that Kate agreed with you on politics
or seemed to in the moment. Maybe it's because Kate
was worth being impressed with, and that's why she has
a huge following.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I can't think did this happen to anybody on the
opposite side? Has anybody been targeted for visiting the Biden
White I said warehouse Biden.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I mean it's sort of warehouse in there for four years,
so fair enough.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
The Biden White House over the last four years, I
cannot think of a single incident. And I can't imagine
what that would look like if you went to the
Biden where what's wrong with me? The Biden White House?
Would there be outrage? Would there be people saying, how
dare you? I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I think there might be, like there might be some complaints,
but I don't know that it is. It's a asserting
that high up.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
You know, it would be Randos on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
It wouldn't get written up in the cut, right, it
wouldn't be this imposed punishment that is meant. It isn't
just meant for Kate, by the way, It's meant for
whoever comes. Oh yeah, right, that's the idea behind this.
And I also just think the way that they are
the left is letting go of all of the totally
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normal things now that now running's gonna be one of
them where they're like they're like ew icky running right coded?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I think we discussed last week how like weightlifting and
going to the gym is becoming right coded, wearing cross necklaces.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Right. The new one today is protein.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I know, I'm just gonna say this. You're reading my mind.
I'll read the Vanity Fair headline, why are Americans so
obsessed with protein? Blame Maga from the Liver King to
the podcast Bros. To RFK Junior's Maha constituents, America's infatuation
with protein has reached a fever pitch, and it's undeniably gendered.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Good. I just I've been craving steak so I think
I've gone to maga.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Protein's good for you. Yeah, protein's good for you. If
you ate a bunch of protein instead of whatever the
government told you to do with that stupid pyramid for
the last generation, you'd be in better health. And this
is the thing that kills me about all the journalists,
is like they have a chance to do something interesting.
When she says it's gendered, what she means is that
eating protein is manisphere coded. That's not the interesting story.
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The interesting story is that women are finally getting the
message that rice cakes are not the best yes for them.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
It's interesting that a bunch of women in their forties
are actually protein loading, Like that's the interesting, counterintuitive trend.
But she can't see that, because the only reason you
can write about crosses or weightlifting or protein is when
you can pathologize it as a righty thing.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
And fit it into your preconceived ideas about the world.
It's so dull, it's so weird. Just be normal.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Oh anyway, kay, Max, give her a follow if you.
I'm not a big runner anymore, but you know, I
appreciate the.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Effort, So yeah, I appreciate lifting.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Now because IgA anyway.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
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am Mary Catherine Ham.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm Cayrol Marko Witz. You know, Mary Catherine. I was
thinking this that we record on Mondays and air on Tuesdays.
But and I ask you how your weekend went, and
sometimes that's you know, a little delayed on Tuesday. But
I think you had a very eventful weekend, right, I
think your weekend holds into Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yeah. I took my children camping this weekend, which I
think we're a little camping cursed because it's in the
past like five years. I've taken them two times, and
one time it was thirty four degrees outside and the
second time it rained all night. Yeah, the entire night.
So I did that, and then in my great wisdom,
I came back and did a huge workout for the
(00:50):
Travis Mannen Foundation with like three hundred back squats and
a bunch of running, and then I watched a terrible, terrible,
terrible movie. Well movie another simple favor.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Oh yeah, it all not look good.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
No. The only reason this is getting press is because
Blake Lively's in it, and so her controversy is giving
it press right. Anna Kendrick is the other lead, and
she is charming as usual. But there's only so much
you could do girl, that it is. That thing's a disaster.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, you know, the socials are really trying to sell
me on that movie, but I don't really watch that
many things to begin with, so it's not going to
be that. I'm glad you've be viewed it for me
so I can conclusively say I will not be watching that.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I went in knowing it was going to be bad.
I was kind of hoping it'd be a hate watch,
and I knew that I was going to be semi
immobilized from camping plus workout, so you might as well.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
It's perfect do that.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
So that's what I did.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Well. Coming off the weekend, I think we might need
to have a semi regular segment. It's just like weird
ass weekend ideas from Donald Trump because the president's tweeting
through it like yes, sure, And he had a couple
things to pitch this weekend. Two ideas. One I'll start
with Alcatraz, but the other one is Hollywood based and
(02:12):
we'll get into that. The first one is Rebuild and
open Alcatraz. For too long, America has been plagued by vicious, violent,
and repeat criminal offenders, the dregs of society who will
never contribute anything other than misery and suffering, both with capital. Beginning. Yes,
when we were a more serious nation in times past,
we did not hesitate to lock up the most dangerous
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criminals and keep them far away from anyone they could harm.
That's the way it's supposed to be. No longer will
we tolerate these serial offenders who spread filth, bloodshed, and
mayhem on our streets. Anyway, He's directing the Bureau of Prisons,
Apartment of Justice, FBI, Homeland Security to all get together
to figure out how to enlarge and rebuild Alcatraz, so
it can only be as large as the island. Correct.
(02:53):
So I don't know how much enlarging we can do.
It's currently a museum owned by the federal government, so
at least they got that going.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Right by the Parks Department.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, this is the pitch, Carol, What do you think
you know?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I think what he's saying is we need a bad
ass prison in order to scare people away from doing crimes.
I'm not opposed to that. But if he starts reworking Alcatraz,
which as you mentioned, is a museum, it's going to
take years and years. I don't think that he'll still
be president by the time that happens. You know, he's
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a real estate developer. By a different island, make a
different prison. The thing is that prison building over the
last decade plus has become something that is very difficult
to do because we had this big, you know, movement
of to criminalize everything and defund police and don't put
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anyone in jail. And it got to where private prisons,
for example, couldn't get bank funding to those prisons because
it was just seen as such a touchy subject. So
I get what Donald Trump is saying, build more prisons
on for it. Forget about Alcatraz. It is just too complicated.
I visited Devil's Island a long time ago. That's also
(04:14):
an island prison. It's now a resort. You know, maybe
maybe that could be the backup plan be here.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah. No, he has he has a way of doing
very specific weird pitches that I'm like, no, immediate no
on that. Yeah, But the very specific weird pitch touches
on a larger issue that. I'm like, he'll he'll do
it a different way. Like he one time in one
of his many, many speaking engagements last week, he just said, like,
(04:43):
we're gonna do all the normal stuff. We're gonna put
the prisoner, put the criminals in jail, and we're not
going to have the boys play on the girls teams.
And he just lists them off, and I was like,
so much more of that, just like say the normal
things over again, over again instead of the weird specific thing.
I imagine that will be abandoned in a couple days. But
the Hollywood one is interesting as well. He has this
(05:06):
to say, the movie industry is their truth posts. By
the way, the movie industry is in America is dying
a very fast death. Other countries are offering all sorts
of incentives to draw our filmmakers and studios away from
the United States. Hollywood and many other areas within the
USA are being devastated. This is a concerted effort by
other nations and therefore a national security threat. It is
in addition to everything else messaging and propaganda. Therefore, I
(05:29):
am authorizing the Department of Commerce and the United States
Trade Representative to immediately begin the process of instituting a
one hundred percent tariff on any and all movies coming
into our country that are produced in foreign lands. Capitalized again.
We want movies made in America again.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Okay, get and I don't like it because I don't
see why movies can't be made in America. And the
reason that they're not is because of leftist local government
in places like California. There were a number of artists
over the last few years who have taken a risk
(06:05):
and spoken out and said it's very tough to make
movies in California, and that's also true for New York.
Of course, all of this is kind of the problem
of the culture of those states. Why should they get
this big boon from the president in order to make
it easier for them to make their movies here?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And it provides a ready made excuse for Hollywood for
all these losses that it has incurred because of California's terrible,
terrible policies in governacently. And now they can be like, aha,
the foreigners did it to us, that's it. Now they
might be so negatively partisanly polarized that maybe California would
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be like, we should be a low regulation state who
allows people to make things so like I would love that.
I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think
Gavin Newson is going to become an abundance Democrat. But
this goes to our old complaint about Donald Trump from
the very beginning, which is he's too liberal for us. Yes,
(07:09):
exactly too much of a Democrat for me. And this
is an old school protectionists make up excuses for lefty
policies kind of pitch, and I anti. The other problem
with it is that a I just like a lot
of choices. So if I pass on all the subtitle movies, fine,
but I want to have those choices. Him saying we
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should have fewer choices of either movies or dolls is
not good. But we also are a net exporter of services. Yeah,
we are a service nation. So if we decide that
we're going to tear off services and entertainment and people
decide they're going to retaliate, that's gonna go badly for us, right.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Considering we make most of the movies. Still, you know,
the protectionist stuff, I don't like it, but I particularly
don't like it when it's protecting industries that cause the
protectionism in the first place, and so right, it becomes
like there are other industries that I would quick be
(08:12):
quicker to protect. Although again I don't think the presidency
picking winners and losers at all. I'm stating that very clearly.
But if you're going to protect certain industries, Hollywood is
the one that you've picked.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah. Why why these folks don't need your help man?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, exactly. Look, I think if we've seen anything from
California since the fires, it's that they will not learn lessons.
They refuse to learn lessons. The politicians just absolutely will
keep doing what they're doing. The people seem poised to
keep reelecting those politicians. After a while, it has to
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be their problem, their economy, and the fact that movies
films have left Hollywood has to be their problem.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yes, like y'all create hated this issue, I would say,
as far as it goes with California possibly learning a lesson,
I have enjoyed seeing Steve Hilton, who is a Republican
running for governor, used to be Fox News host and
he has this great branding which is all beautiful, yellow, bright, sunny,
(09:19):
and the tag is golden again. And I just think
as far as simple political messaging goes. Even the most
hardened lib California has to be like ooh ooh, that
doesn't sound okay, right, I hope they lean into it.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I like Steve Hilton a lot, but I always have
hope that places of California and New York will turn
themselves around, and they always disappoint me. But I would
love to see Steve Hilton make a run of it
and show California what they can be again. And really,
I don't want to say make them great again, but
really make them great again, make them well, make them
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the kind of place that people will want to make
movies in again.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yep, it could be done, but you'd have to give
more than like four permits in four months after to
rebuild homes after these devastating files. They're fires like that
would be part of Yeah, that would be part of it.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, we'll be right back on normally.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Well.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Another incident over the Crazy Weekend on Saturday, apparently Barstool
Sports owns bars. I did not know this. It's a
great idea though, like Barstool is I think really capturing
a large segment of the young males. Dave Portnoy is
(10:41):
a hero to many of them, he is the fearless leader.
So apparently at the barstool Sansum Street in downtown Philadelphia
over the weekend, when you order bottle service, you can
order a sign with it, so you could be like,
happy birthday, Mary Catherine, you know whatever. Apparently a group
ordered f the Jews, and the bar people made the
(11:05):
sign for them. Those people have been wired.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, that's like the first thing right keeping should have
happened there.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, or like somebody should be like this is a
poor idea. But apparently they made the sign, and Dave Portnoy,
who owns the bar, is Jewish.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Video of course on video proudly.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
They were all very happy and dancing around with the sign. Now,
of course the proverbial should have hit the fan, and
they are saying, you know, who are these people, Let's
find them. One of them is a Temple University student
who has been named Dave Portnoy took to X saying
(11:50):
that he was flaming mad and he was shaking, and
he was so angry about this, and you know, I
feel him. That's it makes me angry too. And it's
an his own bar, and I'm sure that it has
to be painful and hard. His initial reaction was, I
will find these people and end them for that. I
(12:12):
am very much for the idea of you do something
like that, you should be named your name. I'm not saying,
you know, kick them out of school or anything, which
actually turns out to be a possibility as some of
them go to Temple University. I'm not saying ruin their lives,
but there absolutely should be consequences to this kind of thing.
But then his follow up tweet is he spoke to
(12:35):
some people and now he thinks that he will be
sending the students of the people involved on a trip
to Auschwitz to take a tour of the Auschwitz death
camp and teach them about the Holocaust. And I hate this.
I hate this so much. I hate this from the
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bottom of my soul. I'm okay with teaching. I'm okay
with showing people the way. I'm okay with talking people
out of hate, which I think is a very difficult
thing to do, and I don't think it's that possible.
I think the people need to come to it on
their own right. Showing them Holocaust stuff just has never
worked for me. And if you recall, maybe about ten
(13:18):
years ago, there was a DC City councilman who said
the Jews control the weather. The first thing people did
was take him to the Holocaust Museum. He left the
tour halfway through because he was like, oh, you know,
these people are not going to be like wow, other
people hated Jews, so I shouldn't. That's never going to
be the lesson. What do you think?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, so one, I appreciate that Portnoy was actually mad
about it. Yeah. And our friend Adam Rubinstein, I think,
was tweeting, Oh, I'm surprised to see stool presidente, which
is what his ex handle, is more morally outraged by
anti Semitism than Harvard and Columbia, right, And I'm like,
(13:58):
I'm not, no, maybe ei there. Portnoy is very outspoken,
pretty ballsy, pretty clear eyed on some stuff. I would
say I often end up falling in the same category
as him. I feel like I might be a barstool Republican,
like that's I can see that actually kind of where
I am.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
You're gonna hang your saturdays for the boys?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, outside, well, and he created what he did. By
the way, the reason he's so successful is that he
created Fox News for sports, right, So it's just filling
a gap for people who want news about sports that's
not explicitly leftist. Like that's what he did. He was like,
(14:41):
let's let's do that and let's make it fun. So
he did that, and then he also likes pizza, so
that that took off as well, because who doesn't like pizza? Pizza?
I liked that he was angry about it, and it
was more clear eyed than Harvard or any of the
Ivys have been about this, because it takes them a
year and a half to put together. There a three
hundred page report that is also presented alongside an Islamophobia report,
(15:05):
because you couldn't just do anti of course. Yeah, but
I do agree with you that, like a trip to
Europe is not what these people deserve, right, I'm big on.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You should give trips to Europe to the people who
have supported you, not people who despise you. You know,
I've been saying this the whole time. I think the
Jewish community needs to do a much better job of
celebrating people who have been so good to us. Obviously
I include you in that, guy Benson. I include so
many amazing people, and I don't think we do that enough,
(15:37):
and instead we send people like this to Europe too,
and you know these people are going to be like
hanging out in bars in Poland, like they're not going
to be I just can't picture the kind of person
who ate doesn't know about the Holocaust, doesn't know enough
about the Holocaust, but then will be moved by the
Holocaust when they see that people that they also hate
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have been murdered, you know, and mass I just I
can't picture how that works.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah. I think you also make a good point about
you've said taking them on a tour of the weakest
moment for the Jewish people. Yeah, maybe isn't the thing,
right And by the way, by that token, if you're
going to give them a fully funded trip somewhere, maybe
to right in the middle of Israel and be like this,
this is where the themselves, how do you like that?
(16:28):
So go to a little IDF tour. But yeah, I
do think there is this big modern question of what
is the thing that you teach, how is the way
that you teach it. Because all of the money that
went into all of the Holocaust museums so that we
could say never again post October seventh, that became quite
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clear that a bunch of people had seen those museums
and they didn't care.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Right, Not only did that care, they saw that as
like either a blueprint or something that they had to deny.
They had to say that this never happened in order
for them to have the views that they have. I
just again, if you're in a bar and that's the
sign you pick, I don't want to say you're beyond help.
Because it sounded like their parents were mortified, and I
(17:13):
hope that I hope so, I hope this isn't something
that they grew up with in their homes. I hope
that this is just something stupid that they did drunkenly
one night. But I just I've been drunk, I've been stupid.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I just this.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I've never been like, you know, what we should put
on the sign, like you know, I'd put like Jimmy's
an asshole. I wouldn't put, you know, Like, I just
I just cannot give them the kind of leeway that
I'm supposed to give them. And of course when I
tweet about this, I get a lot of like, well,
this is why people hate Jews, Like I don't think
(17:45):
that this is why people hate Jews. Actually, because we
have refused.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
To just like, because you're mad at the f the jewice.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, that's why I'm not sure that's it. I don't
know that that's really it.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
And so.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, I hope Dave Portnoy changes his mind on that. Again,
you don't need to destroy these people alive. You want
to have conversations with them.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Do it.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
But a free trip to Europe to see our weakest
point too, you know, I just don't get it.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah. Well, and also just Harvard and Columbia, take a
look at what it looks like when someone's upset about
anti Semitism on the institution that they started. Exactly, that's
what it looks like when somebody is ticked off, right.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Dana White actually was very good on it. Also, there
was an MMA fighter that did a podcast denying the
Holocaust and it was like his first episode of the podcast,
and Dana White went on this like rip of him,
and he said, I'm not going to take away his
right to speak and say what he wants. I'm not
going to fire him, but I just want to say
(18:54):
he's a moron and it has been hitting the head too often.
But he was mad, he was angry that this guy
was getting to use his business to kind of promote
himself in order to say this kind of stupid stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
That fighter also got knocked out, and Dave Portnoy was
at that knockout with an Israeli flag wearing a yamaka
I believe to wait in the crowd. So yeah again,
Colombia and Harvard, maybe take a look at yeah, look
at at the Portnoy and Dana White pr I don't
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know if they're going to look there, but there's a
lot more clarity than they have.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yes, exactly, We're going to take a short break and
come right back with normally our last topic today, Running
is a privileged to marry Catherine.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
So this is this is one of these like influencer
micro controversies, but it says a lot about where we are.
So there's a running influencer and I believe her name
is Kate Max. I'm not sure exactly how you.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, KZ, I hear you miss Max on the Z ending.
I understand I did not.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I did not follow her before I do now. And
here's why this is the cut reporting on this. By
the way, just so you can understand where the tone
is coming from. It says in times like these what's
so wrong with doing a little puff piece about the
White House and it's press secretary a lot? Actually, that's
what running influencer Kate Max found out this week when
she posted a video in which she gleefully interviewed the
(20:29):
mouthpiece of the Trump administration, Caroline Levitt. Turns out that's
not really the content her followers wanted to see. Jog
along with me while I answer your questions about this
whole ordeal. Okay, we'll play just the beginning of this
little influencer vid where she just does. She tapes herself,
she tapes Caroline, and generally she goes running with each
person she does this with, whether it's the guy who
(20:51):
played I think she's done with Patrick Swarzenegger recently. She's
done one with Tim Wallas in the past. We will
get to that. But here she is just getting an
insure to Caroline Lovett and then doing a walkthrough of
the White House. Hey, how many miles are you running today?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
No miles, because we're at the beautiful White House. But
why don't I give you a tour?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
My name is Caroline Lovett. I am from New Hampshire
and I am the White House Press secretary, and this
is the beautiful White House. We're currently walking on what
we call Pebble Beach. This is where all of the
press hang out. Guys, we have to stop for a
second and look at this.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I can't believe you get to wake up and be here.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Every single day.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And is this a dream come true for you?
Speaker 3 (21:27):
It is a dream come true. The White House is
so beautiful, especially this time of year. So that's where
President Trump and the first family live.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
So she goes, she's our a tour of the press room,
all this stuff. Okay, My only complaint about this video
is that they should they just should have run for
the video because Caroline is an athlete and that's the
format that she generally follows. But I get it, it's
the White House. The objection, of course, is that nothing
can be done around the White House. Well Donald Trump
(21:56):
is in office. That is not explicitly made to tear down
Donald Trump. Right, we cannot normalize Caroline Levitt by chatting
with her as she gives you a tour of the
White House. And Kate is very clearly acting as if, oh,
this is cool. I'm at the White.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
House because it is cool.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
That's how normal people react. And a lot of the
Internet was upset by this, so they went after I
followed her because I'm like, girl, you didn't do anything wrong,
Like everybody needs to calm down. And of course, if
this had been a democratic press secretary spouting whatever her
boss wants her to spout, no problem, the Internet would
(22:41):
have been fine with it. The silliest response, which also
went viral, is from Hope Waltz, who is Tim Waltz's daughter,
and she objects to this content because it's on the
same page as a pinned video of her dad running
with Kate. So here here's a little bit about the
sport of running as conceptualized by the Walls family.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Running as an act is political. And you know who
taught me that, Tim Walls. The first thing he told
me when I was first getting into it in high school. Granted,
I don't really do it as much anymore. I go
in spurts, but when I was first getting into it
in high school, the first thing he told me was
that running is a privilege, and being a part of
the running community is a privilege that not all people
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have access to. Whether you do it recreationally or you
race a lot or you are, you know, at the
elite level, it is a privilege, whether it be you
just having the time to run, access to funds to
buy the gear, access to you know, healthy quality foods
that fuel you as your training and as you're running,
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access to you know, a safe, stable situation that allows
you to be in a good mental state to be
able to run. All of those things are hard to
come by, and if you have them and are a
part of the running community, that is a privilege. And
that again was the first thing he taught me. I
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don't really understand our platforms.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
She goes on, and we're going to listen to more
of this, but can I just interject with a couple
of things. The first thing he taught you about running,
like not not hydrate, tell a friend you're running route,
stretch your quads, like none of those things. The first
thing was this is a political act. Second gear for
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running shoes and actually not even shoes. Sometimes some of
the best long distance runners come from developing countries where
they run barefoot, because there is a theory that that
is in fact the best way to a long distance run.
So there's that we can take gear of the off
the table. Healthy food the trashiest possible food is the
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best food for fueling when you are running. When you
are running a marathon, you get to eat Reese's pea
butter cups while you're running the marathon.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Man, you should, I should do that, just trash.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Because it's just quick carbs. That's all you need, right okay,
And then of course safety to run. This is so
silly and overwrought, and we're gonna let her go on
because it gets dumber.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Platforming and administration that cuts mental health services, cuts you
know funding and literal shipments to food banks, is entirely
hurting the climate. Because you can get into running in
the climate. That's a whole nother thing. But it's cutting
you know, funds to climate initiatives and actively hurting the
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planet in that way, sending people away without due process, villainizing,
villainizing minorities, all of those things are preventing people from
getting into the running community, which is what I thought
Kate's platform was for. But it's also just damaging to
society as a whole. We should not be normalizing these people.
I'm not going to tell anyone what to do with
their pay, but I think it's insulting to my dad
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to leave a certain video pinned, especially when he stands for,
quite literally the opposite of what this is administration is doing.
You don't get to both sides this, it's not both sides.
We are quite literally talking about good versus evil here,
and I'm just really disappointed the whole thing happened. I
was there when that video with my dad was filmed,
and I was very impressed with Kate, and this is
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just extremely disappointing, insane.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I don't say this a lot, actually insane, but this
is why you lost. This is why you lost. You
do this to people, and this is why people don't
want to be associated with the Democrats right now. It
is a toxic brand because of this kind of stuff.
Cancel Culture, for example, was always largely a left on
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left phenomenon. So it's not enough that Kate had a
video with Tim Walls as she pinned to the top
of her page. She also has to walk the line
and do exactly as they say after Tim Walls is
no longer running after that's already over. And the reason
that Hope Walls feels so comfortable targeting Kate Max, I
think is because it is the way to get somebody
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who is sensibly on the left herself, Kate Matts, I
assume is a liberal. She wants to get her back
in line and say you're not allowed to do this,
we don't do this, And she gives this insane list
of reasons why that ends up, including you know, immigration
and climate change and who knows, and ties it back
to running, like that's a real thing.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
It's just not. It's just not. And I would argue
that to the extent anyone is preventing people from getting
into the running community, it's people who talk like this, yeah,
who convince people that getting into that community would be
scary and weird and bad because you seem weird. I
don't you Imagining that there's these giant barriers to going
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on a run and telling people that it's super hard
because of the climate is not encouraging tell people to run.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
She's also discouraged.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yes, I also enjoyed. You've been thoroughly discouraged. You can
put it on her. I also enjoy that she's not
going to tell anyone what to do with their page,
except that she is exactly telling someone what to do
with her page. And then finally, the pathetic appeal to authority,
which is proximity to her dad while he filmed an
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influencer video when he was running his failed campaign for
vice president. I'm not impressed. I'm not impressed.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, people are just weird, I know.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
And then the part where she's like, I was really
impressed with Kate. Maybe there's a reason for that. Maybe
it's not just that Kate agreed with you on politics
or seemed to in the moment. Maybe it's because Kate
was worth being impressed with, and that's why she has
a huge following.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I can't think did this happen to anybody on the
opposite side? Has anybody been targeted for visiting the Biden
White I said warehouse Biden.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I mean it's sort of warehouse in there for four years,
so fair enough.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
The Biden White House over the last four years, I
cannot think of a single incident. And I can't imagine
what that would look like if you went to the
Biden where what's wrong with me? The Biden White House?
Would there be outrage? Would there be people saying, how
dare you? I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I think there might be, like there might be some complaints,
but I don't know that it is. It's a asserting
that high up.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
You know, it would be Randos on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
It wouldn't get written up in the cut, right, it
wouldn't be this imposed punishment that is meant. It isn't
just meant for Kate, by the way, It's meant for
whoever comes. Oh yeah, right, that's the idea behind this.
And I also just think the way that they are
the left is letting go of all of the totally
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normal things now that now running's gonna be one of
them where they're like they're like ew icky running right coded?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I think we discussed last week how like weightlifting and
going to the gym is becoming right coded, wearing cross necklaces.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Right. The new one today is protein.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I know, I'm just gonna say this. You're reading my mind.
I'll read the Vanity Fair headline, why are Americans so
obsessed with protein? Blame Maga from the Liver King to
the podcast Bros. To RFK Junior's Maha constituents, America's infatuation
with protein has reached a fever pitch, and it's undeniably gendered.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Good. I just I've been craving steak so I think
I've gone to maga.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Protein's good for you. Yeah, protein's good for you. If
you ate a bunch of protein instead of whatever the
government told you to do with that stupid pyramid for
the last generation, you'd be in better health. And this
is the thing that kills me about all the journalists,
is like they have a chance to do something interesting.
When she says it's gendered, what she means is that
eating protein is manisphere coded. That's not the interesting story.
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The interesting story is that women are finally getting the
message that rice cakes are not the best yes for them.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
It's interesting that a bunch of women in their forties
are actually protein loading, Like that's the interesting, counterintuitive trend.
But she can't see that, because the only reason you
can write about crosses or weightlifting or protein is when
you can pathologize it as a righty thing.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
And fit it into your preconceived ideas about the world.
It's so dull, it's so weird. Just be normal.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Oh anyway, kay, Max, give her a follow if you.
I'm not a big runner anymore, but you know, I
appreciate the.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Effort, So yeah, I appreciate lifting.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Now because IgA anyway.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
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