Normally Podcast: Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce Engaged?! Plus Biden, Trump, and the Abbey Gate Debate
August 28, 2025 • 25 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz reflect on the anniversary of the Abbey Gate bombing and the contrasting ways in which Trump and Biden engage with military families. The conversation also critiques government involvement in private companies and the use of executive orders for political purposes. Additionally, they talk Taylor Swift's engagement to Travis Kelce, highlighting the positive implications for public perceptions of love and marriage. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
So we are back on by the show with normalist
takes for when the news gets weird. I am Mary,
Kathy aam.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And I am Carol Marco. It's how are you married, Katherine.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm doing pretty good. I have a funny story from
our weird job, sort of mill you.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
At my kid's school, they're having a fundraising gala for
the like an anniversary of the school's founding, and the
woman who is running it is very organized, very together,
and I run into her at church and school, and
I inevitably run into her when I'm a hot mess,
like I'm just disorganized, I'm late. I have maybe three children,
maybe four children, we don't know, and who knows. Always,
(00:41):
like you can tell, she's always sort of scratching her
head about me, like what's this lady's deal. She messaged
me yesterday and said I've been asking around about who
should m see the gala and the only name I
got was yours.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
And she's like, and I don't understand. She said, tell
me more about yourself.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
She said, I didn't know you had public speaking skills,
and I was like, yeah, it's I'm not joking when
it's maybe the only thing I do well, so she
has to.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Be mystified like this woman she's like I was quite
sure she had a learning disability, but she seems to
have a real people job.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So there you're going, Yeah, yeah, I like it.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
It's you show that that organized lady that you can
do stuff too.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I can do one thing, and I a yeah, so
I'm going to be doing that. I guess I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I hope we could see clips.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Maybe yes, well, I'll see what I can do. Well,
that light story to lead us into a pretty serious story,
which is that this week is the anniversary of the
abby Gate bombing in Afghanistan, which happened upon the hasty
withdrawal of all troops from Afghanistan under the Biden administration
in twenty twenty one, and it was the anniversary of
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that bombing and therefore the anniversary of the loss of
the loss of thirty teen service members in that bombing,
along with a lot of other civilians who were also
at that gate for that bombing. Trump, as he is
wont to do with this group of folks, honored the
families of the Abbygate thirteen in the Oval Office on
the anniversary, with all of them surrounding the resolute desk,
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and he said a few words about it. He signed
a proclamation honoring them. Finally, and we'll get into that,
but let's play a little clip of him asking JD. Vance,
the Vice President, to say a few words while in
this room with all the families, who, by the way,
have the spotlight, not JD. Vance, the families behind Trump
have the spotlight. He throws it to JD. This is
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what Vance had to say.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I think it's a great JD.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Do you want to say a couple of words, bas.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Oh, sir, I just second what you said. We're so
honored to have all of you here. I know that
days like today can't make the hurt go away, but
hopefully four years old, we could start to remember with
fondness and.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
With a little bit of joy.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
The people that were taken from us were so proud
of you. We're so proud of your loved ones for
giving their life for our country. And I think importantly
today this is a rectification of a wrong, the fact
that the president of the United States lost your loved ones
through incompetence, but never acknowledge it, and your government never
actually put pen to paper to say we're grateful for
your sacrifice. We correct that wrong today and we're to
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keep on fight and understand, as Pete said, and what
happens so it never happens to another family again. But
God love you all, God bless you. We're so thrilled
to have you here in the People's Oval Office.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
And I I don't think they ever heard from Biden
or anybody, didn't you never speak of This is.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Trump at his best.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
He is actually very empathetic to these people. I think
that the fact that he does keep remembering them, Yes,
is it a shot of Biden, Of course it is,
But he doesn't have to. He doesn't have to bring
them into the Oval Office, he doesn't have to commemorate
the loss of their loved ones. He doesn't actually have
to do any of this. And it's actually so surprising
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that the Biden administration whiffed this PR from the PR
perspective so badly. And it's amazing that Trump. You know,
he's very good at putting on any production, and I
think that this is a one that he does very well,
showing how much he cares about these military families.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, and they deserve it. And another point on this,
Trump did what Biden didn't do because a lot of
people do say he only does this because it's a
shot at Biden. But Trump did the thing. Remember at
his State of the Union when he brought in the
widow of a slain Navy seal, Karen Owens. Her husband
was Operator Senior Chief William Ryan Owens. He died in
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an operation that Trump was commander in chief for. That
is something that could have been a liability for him,
and he brought her there to honor her husband's sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
It's a very good point. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Do you know what the response of the media was
that he was using her as a political.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Prop He can't win at all.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
He can't win, and I've always been mad about that.
I spoke up about it at the time and said, look,
this woman is not a prop. She's a widow who
wants to get the recognition for her husband that he deserves,
just as the Abbigate families wanted the recognition that their
relatives deserve. And it was a long time coming. And
I have written about this before and it is one
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of the most shameful episodes of the Biden administration that
this happened at all, but the way it was treated
after actually made it worse. So a couple things. The
Abbygate thirteen were never honored in a State of the
Union speech a joint Session speech until twenty twenty five,
when Trump honored them by announcing the arrest of the
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man who masterminded this bombing. I don't know if you
remember this, but he had Cash Betel out on the
tarmac accepting the transfer of the custody of this suspect.
So that was the first time while Biden was president.
The only speech he gave about the Afghan Ganna Sanudral,
he termed it an extraordinary success. Oops. There were also
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several other service members, by the way, that died right
before his State of the Unions that he never mentioned either.
And then I was looking through the rest of it
and I couldn't believe re remembering how bad it got.
Because Biden always gets credit for being the consoler in chief.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, except if nothing else.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
He's always seen as the hugging guy, right, the guy
who's hugging everyone.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
He's the empathizer. And I felt like I was taking
crazy pills during the Biden administration because I was like,
this guy is the opposite of empathetic. Remember when they
did the dignified transfer at Dover for the Avigate thirteen.
He got in trouble for checking his watch. Jinsaki, his
former press secretary, later tried to airbrush that out of
history in her book and got called on it and
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had to make a correction to her book because she
said he didn't check his watch. He indeed did. They
were made to wait hours before being greeted by the
president for years. He wouldn't take their calls or meetings.
And you know who did, Donald Trump. Donald Trump took
their calls, took their meetings. Joe Biden also, you'll remember,
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repeatedly referred to himself as a man who had lost
his son in Iraq, which he did not lose his
son in arrest. And he was not a gold Star father.
His son served honorably but died of cancer outside of combat.
That is different. I have a couple other things then,
I don't know if you remember this. At the State
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of the Union in the last year of Biden's presidency,
one of the fathers of one of the Abbygate thirteens
showed up at the State of the Union and he
admittedly disrupted the State of the Union by yelling Abby
Gate and US Marine Corps. He was arrested. He was
arrested and charged for doing that at the State of
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the Union. That's how bad it got. And one more
for the media, Kamala accused Trump of sizing the deaths
of the abbey Gate thirteen when he went to honor
them at Arlington at the invitation of thirteen service members families, right,
and they turned it into a national news story. Dana
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Bash had Tolsey Gabbardon to answer for this on CNN,
and Dana Bash, in mentioning it, said, you know, she
had all these questions about protocol and whether this was
legal and campaign finance. What she didn't know is that
it was the third anniversary of this bombing and of
their deaths. She said, I think it happened about two
years ago, and Gabbard was like, it's the third year
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anniversary because they don't even know that. Because it's a
political liability for Biden, Biden decided he wasn't going to
deal with it, and the press was like, Roger that
And it is, like you.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Said, has leaned into it like Trump did with his
own military loss. We would be talking about something else
entirely right now.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
And he didn't and he.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Ducked that political liability, and it was pretty disgraceful.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It's so disgraceful, and it's just it is a terrible
job of the commander in chief to face up to
the losses that people who sacrifice for this country make.
It's not easy, right, but one must do it, even
if the mission of the job, especially if the missions
were ordered by you. Yeah, And I just I find
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the neglect of this story and these families so gross.
I am so glad that Trump has been the one
to elevate them. Pete Hegseth also mentioned them at the
Cabinet meeting yesterday. They were given a primetime spot at
the RNC convention, which was one of the most moving
parts of the convention. And just God bless all of them.
(09:44):
I am so glad that they're finally getting the right
n that they deserve real quickly. It is very solemn.
But I do want to have Jessic Kelly's going to
read the names of the thirteen following.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
Marine Lance Corporal David L. Espinoza of Rio Bravo, Texas
Marine Corps, Sergeant Nicole L. G twenty three of Sacramento,
California Marine Corps Staff Sergeant Darren T. Hoover of Salt
Lake City Army Staff Sergeant Ryan C. Naos of Corton, Tennessee.
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Marine Corps Corporal Hunter Lopez of Indio, California. Marine Corlance
Corporal Riley Jay McCollum of Jackson, Wyoming. Marine Corlance Corporal
Dylan R. Morola of Rancho Cucamonga, California. Marine Corplance Corporal
Kareem n Nicau of Norco, California. Marine Corps Sergeant Johnny
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Rosario Picardo of Lawrence, Massachusetts. Marine Corps Corporal Umberto A.
Sanchez of Longsport, Indiana. Marine Corps Lance Corporal Jared M.
Schmidts of Saint Charles, Missouri. Navy Hospital Corman Maxton W.
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Sovieac of Berlin Heights, Ohio, and Marine Corps Corporal Dagan W.
Page of Omaha, Nebraska. Rest in Peace Warriors.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
It was Kareem Nakoui's father who was the one who
was arrested at Biden's last State of the Union, and
luckily charges were dropped because somebody saw reason there. But
that's how bad it got during the Biden administration.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Yeah, it's sad, and I'm sad for these families that
they've had to deal with this for so long. I
hope that Trump's support gives them some comfort. Trump isn't
always perfect, but he is pretty close to perfect on
this on this issue.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, we're going.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
To take a short break.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Actually, that segment we called it Good Trump, and the
next segment is called Bad Trump. Stick around on Normally,
where we will have fewer good things to say about
Donald Trump in the next be right back.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Welcome back to.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Normally, where our first segment we celebrated Trump his accomplishments
and the way that he treats military families.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
We really appreciate it and like that quite a bit.
Now we're going to talk about some things we like
a little bit less.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I think we're going to kick it off with the
government for some reason getting a stake in a private company.
Intel will now be partially owned by our federal government.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Why why is that happening?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
The simplest answer is that Trump finds the quickest and
simplest path to whatever is the thing that he wants
to do slash solve. So a bunch of subsidies went
out the door to Intel in Budy.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
He's like, why shouldn't we get a piece of this exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
We just reached a piece of that action for the
eleven billion or whatever it is. The problem is that
as a private businessman, that would be the correct move, however,
but as the head of state, yeah, it is not.
And how Lutnik, the Commerce Secretary, was trying to explain
how this was capitalism at yesterday's meeting because a lot
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of people had said, hmm, seizing the means of production
doesn't seem very big deal, and Lutnik was like, no, no, no,
this isn't socialism. This is capitalism because we're getting a
better deal for the American taxpayers than these subsidies, which
were just giveaways. Now we have a stake. Okay, I
understand that argument. And also if you're the government, it's
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not capitalism.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Right, It's like, it's not it's just really basic. And
you know, I again, it's easy to understand what they're saying.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
And a lot of the defense of Trump is like, well,
we were.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Getting nothing from from these companies under all these other administrations.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
At least Trump is getting us something, which, like you said,
is fair. But I just don't want the government to.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Be in the business of owning pieces of private companies.
That literally is socialism, That literally is communism. You know,
I just think that we're heading down a real bad path.
And I'm concerned because I feel like there's this and
you know, you and I have talked about this and
I wrote about it during the first Trump administration. But
there's this sense like you have to love everything Trump
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does or you have to hate everything Trump does. And
we try to walk the line on this show and
talk about the good things that we think and the
bad things that we think. The thing is that all
the people who are lining up to say that this
is okay and this is normal would lose their minds
if the Biden administration did this.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
And if that's the case, you have to kind of
stay consistent and you can say you change your.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Mind about the whole I don't know socialism thing, but
be consistent and admit that you know what you really
think here, and I urge other conservatives to do that.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, And it's also ideologically I don't like it, but
I think it's bad economic policy to have the government
have a real motivation to make one company profitable for another.
Now you can tell me, and you'd be correct that
the left has done this forever, like it's like jaw
boning on steroids. We're going to give money to these
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guys and not to these guys, picking winners and losers.
The thing that we've always said we don't want them
to do. The thing to do would be to do
a recision package on those subsidies instead of clawing back
the subsidies with a US government stake in a private
company who's president. By the way, I think Trump said
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like three weeks ago should be fired because of his
ties to the CCP, Right like wait, now, we're buds. Now,
we're just gonna patch that right up right. They're also
talking about wanting steaks in other companies. By the way,
if you're an American chip maker, and I believe there
is one, if you're other chip makers that do work
in the United States, how does this work out for you?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Poorly?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Because he is going to be the one that the
government is going to cut all the brakes for, is
going to let them get away with whatever regulation violations
they make because they have a stake in it.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Now, right, Yeah, this can't go on.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
I don't know how this is going to unfold itself,
but this obviously can't can't happen.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
By the way, on another tech, can I say, on
another tech related a violation of the law, TikTok should
not exist on American.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
App Hell yeah, that is like absolutely, the law said it.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
The law said it, the score.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Said yeah, exactly. And look, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
I don't know how the Trump administration is going to
be have to have this enforced.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
You know, all remains to be seen. But yeah, I
don't like any of it.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
And speaking of things we don't like, yesterday Donald Trump
signed an executive order banning flag burning. Neither you nor
I are fans of the burning of the American flag,
but we both think that this is a stake.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, here's the thing. The executive order, I think is
written in such a way as to steer clear of
the famous mid eighties Scotis decision on this, in which
Scalia was the conservative crossover who said, Hey, I would
put everyone in jail who burns American flag if I could.
But I'm not in charge. The Constitution's in charge, and
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this is speech, and this piece of cloth is not
given special privilege in this country beyond that all the
other stuff that we prize as speech. So I think
it's a stunt. I think it's written to steer clear
of that Scotis decision. Nonetheless, it will probably go through
the courts because you can't just like executive order anything
you want to do.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I think it is bait to the left where he
just wants them to be out burning his American flags
as possible.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
He seem all on that. Yeah, then they're going to
fall for it.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
They will.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
They're all going to fall for it.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
And this is Trump again finding the shortest line between
like the thing he wants to do and himself. He's like, oh, well,
just executive order. I don't like five burning ick. I
want these guys to do it and make fools of themselves.
Here we go. Right, But that doesn't mean it's advisable.
That doesn't mean it's legal. It doesn't mean I don't
like the idea that you use executive orders just to
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rile people up politically. I don't think it's a wise
use of executive power. Right Again, our friends on the
right will say the left has been doing this all along, agreed. Yeah,
the thing to do is not always to do exactly
what the left has done, whether it's Obama's pin and
phone or Biden's auto pen, and definitely not the phone
because he can't he's not capable of talking on the phone,
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Like I don't want.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
That, right. Well, we talked about last episode where it's
hard to find the line and it's hard to hear
the left say, you know, Trump shouldn't be doing this
kind of stuff by executive order, and it's like, you
guys did lots of stuff by executive order.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You made this happen.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
So I really don't know again what they can do
to make Trump stop and not behave the way that
they've behaved. But they're going to fall for the trap
that he has so masterfully said it for them.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yes, although can I say this is like one of
my least conservative opinions. Probably, no, it is a conservative opinion,
but on this one it's not. It's like, I have
sympathy for the idea that when someone threatens to take
a rite from you, even if that right is despicable
when expressed that people want to take a stand and
go like you can't take this from me, Like that's
that's what I did in twenty twenty when they were
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like you can't go to church or have a barbecue,
it was like, I'm having people over to my house.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Ex right, people, I might not post about it quite
as loudly as I used to, Yeah, but I understand
the impulse, and yet it is going to get them
in huge political trouble.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Well, we'll be right back with our last segment where
we'll stop talking about Trump and talk about Hey, Taylor Swift,
why not?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
We got to do it alrighty, we have to get
to the not just the Taylor Swift of it all.
That's we're gonna that's our finality. But the Cracker Barrel,
Cracker Barrel, beloved roadside stop for home made victuals, yep,
I love it especially got into a big old controversy
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this week because they revamped their logo and importantly their
dining rooms to be much more minimalist, much more corporate feeling,
much more modern than they had been in the past.
And there was a backlash and then there was a
cultural discussion and it kind of got all out of hand.
But they have said, after a week of this, basically,
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never mind, We're going back to the old guy sitting
next to the barrel.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
We like him.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
But it became a hole to do with people saying
this is the wokest agenda, And I was kind of like, no,
I think it's just a stupid thing.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Right, I think it's just corporate stupidity. Really yeah, yeah,
but is it?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
But is it corporate stupidity partly because they're so incredibly
out of touch in C suites with normal time totally?
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Yes, that's what it is. Is that wokeness maybe. I
mean I've seen a lot of conservatives point out that
they have done woke stuff over the years, but I
did not associate it with wokeness. I just associated with
fearful and like you said, out of touch C suite professionals.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, but the real Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
There's there's a point there. I think John Podhortz actually
made a great point where he said, I think the
cultural backlash here is for conservatives. If we can't have
the NFL, if we can't have cracker Barrel, what can
we have?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Right, what do we get?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Cracker barrel is right of center? Okay, yes, the hometown
for us leave it alone.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, all right, Well, let's get to the biggest story
of the week.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Obviously, and I say that in jest, although obviously I've
got like every single news outlet in the whole world
sent me in alert yesterday, including like the New York
Times and other big outlets that Taylor Swift and Travis
Kelcey are engaged.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
People are very.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Excited about it, and I think that's a nice thing.
Ben Shapiro says that he hopes it promotes marriage. My
friend Anika Rothsteen her account on x Is at Truth
and Fiction. She posted, I've never listened to Taylor Swift,
but in the last eighteen hours, I've watched one hundred
videos of her boyfriend loving her out loud and gushing
over what happens to a woman when she feels safe
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in a relationship. Rarely been so happy for a complete stranger.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I love that.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
That really is the vibe shift with this whole Taylor story.
Her previous men hid her from the public and culturally,
you know, not related to Taylor Swift, but showing affection
became seen as.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Cringe and all of that.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
I hope we go back to the equivalent of the
boomboxes outside of windows, which is what Taylor described Travis,
you know, basically doing to her and gushing over your
girlfriend or wife or boyfriend or husband love openly. Let
Taylor lead the way on that.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
It's sweet. I want come to succeed. I'm excited for them.
Her caption was your English teacher is going to marry
your guns teacher. And like Travis, Kelsey really does have
a gym teacher vibe. That's it really does.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, And she really does have an English teacher vibe. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I think that's partly why this has succeeded is that
it is a departure from her old form of boyfriend
who was an artist in her same field usually, which
means they're sort of not on purpose but naturally competing
with each other for spotlight in some situations. And the
thing I like about Kelsey and some of the more
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red pilled right leaning commentators have been like, she needs
to submit to her husband, and that's what this looks like.
And the great thing about Kelsey is that he's so
clearly not threatened by her success. He's he's a modern
day gladiator. He he performs feats of manly courage and
public really super. Taylor can't do that. She does a
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different thing, and they both celebrate each other for being
successful doing their own thing. And I like it, and
I hope they have a bunch of healthy extremely tall babies.
And then the weirdos not left say you're being a
weird natalist and I'm like, I just wish the couple. Well,
that's all I do.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
You know.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
I believe we have a clip of your daughters talking
about this slightly.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
This is one of my daughters has a slightly different take.
This is me breaking the news to them after school yesterday.
Taylor Swift is engaged to Travis Kelsey.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Why what?
Speaker 5 (24:31):
How do you know that?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
She posted it on Instagram. She's gonna get.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Married by Why.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Why that'd be adorable because it would be like the
most nipple baby ever. So she says, we laughed over
but she says, I hope they don't have a baby,
And I said why and she said, because it will
be the most neo baby ever, which.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Let them have the babies.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
She's right, and also bring it on exactly. We're never
going to hear the end of this, by the way,
the wedding coverage.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
The yeah everything, Oh yeah, we're totally in for it.
And then they're gonna have a baby after baby, hopefully hopefully,
and yeah, I think we're we're in for a decade
of Taylor and.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Trev and their life. But you know, again, if.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
It makes people realize that love is good and marriage
is good and family is good, have at it.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah. And I love, by the way, the Kelsey family
for being like so weird they're weirdly normal for as
famous as they have got.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yes, absolutely I love their normal.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Well.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Thank you for joining us on Normally.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
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So we are back on by the show with normalist
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
And I am Carol Marco. It's how are you married, Katherine.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm doing pretty good. I have a funny story from
our weird job, sort of mill you.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
At my kid's school, they're having a fundraising gala for
the like an anniversary of the school's founding, and the
woman who is running it is very organized, very together,
and I run into her at church and school, and
I inevitably run into her when I'm a hot mess,
like I'm just disorganized, I'm late. I have maybe three children,
maybe four children, we don't know, and who knows. Always,
(00:41):
like you can tell, she's always sort of scratching her
head about me, like what's this lady's deal. She messaged
me yesterday and said I've been asking around about who
should m see the gala and the only name I
got was yours.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
And she's like, and I don't understand. She said, tell
me more about yourself.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
She said, I didn't know you had public speaking skills,
and I was like, yeah, it's I'm not joking when
it's maybe the only thing I do well, so she
has to.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Be mystified like this woman she's like I was quite
sure she had a learning disability, but she seems to
have a real people job.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So there you're going, Yeah, yeah, I like it.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
It's you show that that organized lady that you can
do stuff too.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I can do one thing, and I a yeah, so
I'm going to be doing that. I guess I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I hope we could see clips.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Maybe yes, well, I'll see what I can do. Well,
that light story to lead us into a pretty serious story,
which is that this week is the anniversary of the
abby Gate bombing in Afghanistan, which happened upon the hasty
withdrawal of all troops from Afghanistan under the Biden administration
in twenty twenty one, and it was the anniversary of
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that bombing and therefore the anniversary of the loss of
the loss of thirty teen service members in that bombing,
along with a lot of other civilians who were also
at that gate for that bombing. Trump, as he is
wont to do with this group of folks, honored the
families of the Abbygate thirteen in the Oval Office on
the anniversary, with all of them surrounding the resolute desk,
(02:19):
and he said a few words about it. He signed
a proclamation honoring them. Finally, and we'll get into that,
but let's play a little clip of him asking JD. Vance,
the Vice President, to say a few words while in
this room with all the families, who, by the way,
have the spotlight, not JD. Vance, the families behind Trump
have the spotlight. He throws it to JD. This is
(02:40):
what Vance had to say.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I think it's a great JD.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Do you want to say a couple of words, bas.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Oh, sir, I just second what you said. We're so
honored to have all of you here. I know that
days like today can't make the hurt go away, but
hopefully four years old, we could start to remember with
fondness and.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
With a little bit of joy.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
The people that were taken from us were so proud
of you. We're so proud of your loved ones for
giving their life for our country. And I think importantly
today this is a rectification of a wrong, the fact
that the president of the United States lost your loved ones
through incompetence, but never acknowledge it, and your government never
actually put pen to paper to say we're grateful for
your sacrifice. We correct that wrong today and we're to
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keep on fight and understand, as Pete said, and what
happens so it never happens to another family again. But
God love you all, God bless you. We're so thrilled
to have you here in the People's Oval Office.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
And I I don't think they ever heard from Biden
or anybody, didn't you never speak of This is.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Trump at his best.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
He is actually very empathetic to these people. I think
that the fact that he does keep remembering them, Yes,
is it a shot of Biden, Of course it is,
But he doesn't have to. He doesn't have to bring
them into the Oval Office, he doesn't have to commemorate
the loss of their loved ones. He doesn't actually have
to do any of this. And it's actually so surprising
(03:57):
that the Biden administration whiffed this PR from the PR
perspective so badly. And it's amazing that Trump. You know,
he's very good at putting on any production, and I
think that this is a one that he does very well,
showing how much he cares about these military families.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, and they deserve it. And another point on this,
Trump did what Biden didn't do because a lot of
people do say he only does this because it's a
shot at Biden. But Trump did the thing. Remember at
his State of the Union when he brought in the
widow of a slain Navy seal, Karen Owens. Her husband
was Operator Senior Chief William Ryan Owens. He died in
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an operation that Trump was commander in chief for. That
is something that could have been a liability for him,
and he brought her there to honor her husband's sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
It's a very good point. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Do you know what the response of the media was
that he was using her as a political.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Prop He can't win at all.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
He can't win, and I've always been mad about that.
I spoke up about it at the time and said, look,
this woman is not a prop. She's a widow who
wants to get the recognition for her husband that he deserves,
just as the Abbigate families wanted the recognition that their
relatives deserve. And it was a long time coming. And
I have written about this before and it is one
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of the most shameful episodes of the Biden administration that
this happened at all, but the way it was treated
after actually made it worse. So a couple things. The
Abbygate thirteen were never honored in a State of the
Union speech a joint Session speech until twenty twenty five,
when Trump honored them by announcing the arrest of the
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man who masterminded this bombing. I don't know if you
remember this, but he had Cash Betel out on the
tarmac accepting the transfer of the custody of this suspect.
So that was the first time while Biden was president.
The only speech he gave about the Afghan Ganna Sanudral,
he termed it an extraordinary success. Oops. There were also
(06:04):
several other service members, by the way, that died right
before his State of the Unions that he never mentioned either.
And then I was looking through the rest of it
and I couldn't believe re remembering how bad it got.
Because Biden always gets credit for being the consoler in chief.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, except if nothing else.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
He's always seen as the hugging guy, right, the guy
who's hugging everyone.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
He's the empathizer. And I felt like I was taking
crazy pills during the Biden administration because I was like,
this guy is the opposite of empathetic. Remember when they
did the dignified transfer at Dover for the Avigate thirteen.
He got in trouble for checking his watch. Jinsaki, his
former press secretary, later tried to airbrush that out of
history in her book and got called on it and
(06:45):
had to make a correction to her book because she
said he didn't check his watch. He indeed did. They
were made to wait hours before being greeted by the
president for years. He wouldn't take their calls or meetings.
And you know who did, Donald Trump. Donald Trump took
their calls, took their meetings. Joe Biden also, you'll remember,
(07:08):
repeatedly referred to himself as a man who had lost
his son in Iraq, which he did not lose his
son in arrest. And he was not a gold Star father.
His son served honorably but died of cancer outside of combat.
That is different. I have a couple other things then,
I don't know if you remember this. At the State
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of the Union in the last year of Biden's presidency,
one of the fathers of one of the Abbygate thirteens
showed up at the State of the Union and he
admittedly disrupted the State of the Union by yelling Abby
Gate and US Marine Corps. He was arrested. He was
arrested and charged for doing that at the State of
(07:53):
the Union. That's how bad it got. And one more
for the media, Kamala accused Trump of sizing the deaths
of the abbey Gate thirteen when he went to honor
them at Arlington at the invitation of thirteen service members families, right,
and they turned it into a national news story. Dana
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Bash had Tolsey Gabbardon to answer for this on CNN,
and Dana Bash, in mentioning it, said, you know, she
had all these questions about protocol and whether this was
legal and campaign finance. What she didn't know is that
it was the third anniversary of this bombing and of
their deaths. She said, I think it happened about two
years ago, and Gabbard was like, it's the third year
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anniversary because they don't even know that. Because it's a
political liability for Biden, Biden decided he wasn't going to
deal with it, and the press was like, Roger that
And it is, like you.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Said, has leaned into it like Trump did with his
own military loss. We would be talking about something else
entirely right now.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
And he didn't and he.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Ducked that political liability, and it was pretty disgraceful.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It's so disgraceful, and it's just it is a terrible
job of the commander in chief to face up to
the losses that people who sacrifice for this country make.
It's not easy, right, but one must do it, even
if the mission of the job, especially if the missions
were ordered by you. Yeah, And I just I find
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the neglect of this story and these families so gross.
I am so glad that Trump has been the one
to elevate them. Pete Hegseth also mentioned them at the
Cabinet meeting yesterday. They were given a primetime spot at
the RNC convention, which was one of the most moving
parts of the convention. And just God bless all of them.
(09:44):
I am so glad that they're finally getting the right
n that they deserve real quickly. It is very solemn.
But I do want to have Jessic Kelly's going to
read the names of the thirteen following.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
Marine Lance Corporal David L. Espinoza of Rio Bravo, Texas
Marine Corps, Sergeant Nicole L. G twenty three of Sacramento,
California Marine Corps Staff Sergeant Darren T. Hoover of Salt
Lake City Army Staff Sergeant Ryan C. Naos of Corton, Tennessee.
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Marine Corps Corporal Hunter Lopez of Indio, California. Marine Corlance
Corporal Riley Jay McCollum of Jackson, Wyoming. Marine Corlance Corporal
Dylan R. Morola of Rancho Cucamonga, California. Marine Corplance Corporal
Kareem n Nicau of Norco, California. Marine Corps Sergeant Johnny
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Rosario Picardo of Lawrence, Massachusetts. Marine Corps Corporal Umberto A.
Sanchez of Longsport, Indiana. Marine Corps Lance Corporal Jared M.
Schmidts of Saint Charles, Missouri. Navy Hospital Corman Maxton W.
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Sovieac of Berlin Heights, Ohio, and Marine Corps Corporal Dagan W.
Page of Omaha, Nebraska. Rest in Peace Warriors.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
It was Kareem Nakoui's father who was the one who
was arrested at Biden's last State of the Union, and
luckily charges were dropped because somebody saw reason there. But
that's how bad it got during the Biden administration.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Yeah, it's sad, and I'm sad for these families that
they've had to deal with this for so long. I
hope that Trump's support gives them some comfort. Trump isn't
always perfect, but he is pretty close to perfect on
this on this issue.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, we're going.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
To take a short break.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Actually, that segment we called it Good Trump, and the
next segment is called Bad Trump. Stick around on Normally,
where we will have fewer good things to say about
Donald Trump in the next be right back.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Welcome back to.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Normally, where our first segment we celebrated Trump his accomplishments
and the way that he treats military families.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
We really appreciate it and like that quite a bit.
Now we're going to talk about some things we like
a little bit less.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I think we're going to kick it off with the
government for some reason getting a stake in a private company.
Intel will now be partially owned by our federal government.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Why why is that happening?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
The simplest answer is that Trump finds the quickest and
simplest path to whatever is the thing that he wants
to do slash solve. So a bunch of subsidies went
out the door to Intel in Budy.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
He's like, why shouldn't we get a piece of this exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
We just reached a piece of that action for the
eleven billion or whatever it is. The problem is that
as a private businessman, that would be the correct move, however,
but as the head of state, yeah, it is not.
And how Lutnik, the Commerce Secretary, was trying to explain
how this was capitalism at yesterday's meeting because a lot
(13:12):
of people had said, hmm, seizing the means of production
doesn't seem very big deal, and Lutnik was like, no, no, no,
this isn't socialism. This is capitalism because we're getting a
better deal for the American taxpayers than these subsidies, which
were just giveaways. Now we have a stake. Okay, I
understand that argument. And also if you're the government, it's
(13:33):
not capitalism.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Right, It's like, it's not it's just really basic. And
you know, I again, it's easy to understand what they're saying.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
And a lot of the defense of Trump is like, well,
we were.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Getting nothing from from these companies under all these other administrations.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
At least Trump is getting us something, which, like you said,
is fair. But I just don't want the government to.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Be in the business of owning pieces of private companies.
That literally is socialism, That literally is communism. You know,
I just think that we're heading down a real bad path.
And I'm concerned because I feel like there's this and
you know, you and I have talked about this and
I wrote about it during the first Trump administration. But
there's this sense like you have to love everything Trump
(14:15):
does or you have to hate everything Trump does. And
we try to walk the line on this show and
talk about the good things that we think and the
bad things that we think. The thing is that all
the people who are lining up to say that this
is okay and this is normal would lose their minds
if the Biden administration did this.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
And if that's the case, you have to kind of
stay consistent and you can say you change your.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Mind about the whole I don't know socialism thing, but
be consistent and admit that you know what you really
think here, and I urge other conservatives to do that.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, And it's also ideologically I don't like it, but
I think it's bad economic policy to have the government
have a real motivation to make one company profitable for another.
Now you can tell me, and you'd be correct that
the left has done this forever, like it's like jaw
boning on steroids. We're going to give money to these
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guys and not to these guys, picking winners and losers.
The thing that we've always said we don't want them
to do. The thing to do would be to do
a recision package on those subsidies instead of clawing back
the subsidies with a US government stake in a private
company who's president. By the way, I think Trump said
(15:30):
like three weeks ago should be fired because of his
ties to the CCP, Right like wait, now, we're buds. Now,
we're just gonna patch that right up right. They're also
talking about wanting steaks in other companies. By the way,
if you're an American chip maker, and I believe there
is one, if you're other chip makers that do work
in the United States, how does this work out for you?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Poorly?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Because he is going to be the one that the
government is going to cut all the brakes for, is
going to let them get away with whatever regulation violations
they make because they have a stake in it.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Now, right, Yeah, this can't go on.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
I don't know how this is going to unfold itself,
but this obviously can't can't happen.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
By the way, on another tech, can I say, on
another tech related a violation of the law, TikTok should
not exist on American.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
App Hell yeah, that is like absolutely, the law said it.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
The law said it, the score.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Said yeah, exactly. And look, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
I don't know how the Trump administration is going to
be have to have this enforced.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
You know, all remains to be seen. But yeah, I
don't like any of it.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
And speaking of things we don't like, yesterday Donald Trump
signed an executive order banning flag burning. Neither you nor
I are fans of the burning of the American flag,
but we both think that this is a stake.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, here's the thing. The executive order, I think is
written in such a way as to steer clear of
the famous mid eighties Scotis decision on this, in which
Scalia was the conservative crossover who said, Hey, I would
put everyone in jail who burns American flag if I could.
But I'm not in charge. The Constitution's in charge, and
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this is speech, and this piece of cloth is not
given special privilege in this country beyond that all the
other stuff that we prize as speech. So I think
it's a stunt. I think it's written to steer clear
of that Scotis decision. Nonetheless, it will probably go through
the courts because you can't just like executive order anything
you want to do.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I think it is bait to the left where he
just wants them to be out burning his American flags
as possible.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
He seem all on that. Yeah, then they're going to
fall for it.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
They will.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
They're all going to fall for it.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
And this is Trump again finding the shortest line between
like the thing he wants to do and himself. He's like, oh, well,
just executive order. I don't like five burning ick. I
want these guys to do it and make fools of themselves.
Here we go. Right, But that doesn't mean it's advisable.
That doesn't mean it's legal. It doesn't mean I don't
like the idea that you use executive orders just to
(18:16):
rile people up politically. I don't think it's a wise
use of executive power. Right Again, our friends on the
right will say the left has been doing this all along, agreed. Yeah,
the thing to do is not always to do exactly
what the left has done, whether it's Obama's pin and
phone or Biden's auto pen, and definitely not the phone
because he can't he's not capable of talking on the phone,
(18:38):
Like I don't want.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
That, right. Well, we talked about last episode where it's
hard to find the line and it's hard to hear
the left say, you know, Trump shouldn't be doing this
kind of stuff by executive order, and it's like, you
guys did lots of stuff by executive order.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You made this happen.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
So I really don't know again what they can do
to make Trump stop and not behave the way that
they've behaved. But they're going to fall for the trap
that he has so masterfully said it for them.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yes, although can I say this is like one of
my least conservative opinions. Probably, no, it is a conservative opinion,
but on this one it's not. It's like, I have
sympathy for the idea that when someone threatens to take
a rite from you, even if that right is despicable
when expressed that people want to take a stand and
go like you can't take this from me, Like that's
that's what I did in twenty twenty when they were
(19:27):
like you can't go to church or have a barbecue,
it was like, I'm having people over to my house.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Ex right, people, I might not post about it quite
as loudly as I used to, Yeah, but I understand
the impulse, and yet it is going to get them
in huge political trouble.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Well, we'll be right back with our last segment where
we'll stop talking about Trump and talk about Hey, Taylor Swift,
why not?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
We got to do it alrighty, we have to get
to the not just the Taylor Swift of it all.
That's we're gonna that's our finality. But the Cracker Barrel,
Cracker Barrel, beloved roadside stop for home made victuals, yep,
I love it especially got into a big old controversy
(20:11):
this week because they revamped their logo and importantly their
dining rooms to be much more minimalist, much more corporate feeling,
much more modern than they had been in the past.
And there was a backlash and then there was a
cultural discussion and it kind of got all out of hand.
But they have said, after a week of this, basically,
(20:32):
never mind, We're going back to the old guy sitting
next to the barrel.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
We like him.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
But it became a hole to do with people saying
this is the wokest agenda, And I was kind of like, no,
I think it's just a stupid thing.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Right, I think it's just corporate stupidity. Really yeah, yeah,
but is it?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
But is it corporate stupidity partly because they're so incredibly
out of touch in C suites with normal time totally?
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Yes, that's what it is. Is that wokeness maybe. I
mean I've seen a lot of conservatives point out that
they have done woke stuff over the years, but I
did not associate it with wokeness. I just associated with
fearful and like you said, out of touch C suite professionals.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, but the real Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
There's there's a point there. I think John Podhortz actually
made a great point where he said, I think the
cultural backlash here is for conservatives. If we can't have
the NFL, if we can't have cracker Barrel, what can
we have?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Right, what do we get?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Cracker barrel is right of center? Okay, yes, the hometown
for us leave it alone.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, all right, Well, let's get to the biggest story
of the week.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Obviously, and I say that in jest, although obviously I've
got like every single news outlet in the whole world
sent me in alert yesterday, including like the New York
Times and other big outlets that Taylor Swift and Travis
Kelcey are engaged.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
People are very.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Excited about it, and I think that's a nice thing.
Ben Shapiro says that he hopes it promotes marriage. My
friend Anika Rothsteen her account on x Is at Truth
and Fiction. She posted, I've never listened to Taylor Swift,
but in the last eighteen hours, I've watched one hundred
videos of her boyfriend loving her out loud and gushing
over what happens to a woman when she feels safe
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in a relationship. Rarely been so happy for a complete stranger.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I love that.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
That really is the vibe shift with this whole Taylor story.
Her previous men hid her from the public and culturally,
you know, not related to Taylor Swift, but showing affection
became seen as.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Cringe and all of that.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
I hope we go back to the equivalent of the
boomboxes outside of windows, which is what Taylor described Travis,
you know, basically doing to her and gushing over your
girlfriend or wife or boyfriend or husband love openly. Let
Taylor lead the way on that.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
It's sweet. I want come to succeed. I'm excited for them.
Her caption was your English teacher is going to marry
your guns teacher. And like Travis, Kelsey really does have
a gym teacher vibe. That's it really does.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, And she really does have an English teacher vibe. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I think that's partly why this has succeeded is that
it is a departure from her old form of boyfriend
who was an artist in her same field usually, which
means they're sort of not on purpose but naturally competing
with each other for spotlight in some situations. And the
thing I like about Kelsey and some of the more
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red pilled right leaning commentators have been like, she needs
to submit to her husband, and that's what this looks like.
And the great thing about Kelsey is that he's so
clearly not threatened by her success. He's he's a modern
day gladiator. He he performs feats of manly courage and
public really super. Taylor can't do that. She does a
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different thing, and they both celebrate each other for being
successful doing their own thing. And I like it, and
I hope they have a bunch of healthy extremely tall babies.
And then the weirdos not left say you're being a
weird natalist and I'm like, I just wish the couple. Well,
that's all I do.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
You know.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
I believe we have a clip of your daughters talking
about this slightly.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
This is one of my daughters has a slightly different take.
This is me breaking the news to them after school yesterday.
Taylor Swift is engaged to Travis Kelsey.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Why what?
Speaker 5 (24:31):
How do you know that?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
She posted it on Instagram. She's gonna get.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Married by Why.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Why that'd be adorable because it would be like the
most nipple baby ever. So she says, we laughed over
but she says, I hope they don't have a baby,
And I said why and she said, because it will
be the most neo baby ever, which.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Let them have the babies.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
She's right, and also bring it on exactly. We're never
going to hear the end of this, by the way,
the wedding coverage.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
The yeah everything, Oh yeah, we're totally in for it.
And then they're gonna have a baby after baby, hopefully hopefully,
and yeah, I think we're we're in for a decade
of Taylor and.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Trev and their life. But you know, again, if.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
It makes people realize that love is good and marriage
is good and family is good, have at it.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah. And I love, by the way, the Kelsey family
for being like so weird they're weirdly normal for as
famous as they have got.
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Yes, absolutely I love their normal.
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