June 5, 2025 • 21 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine and Karol discuss the "big beautiful bill" on government spending, Elon Musk’s concerns about fiscal responsibility, and OMB director Russ Vought’s defense of the bill. They also cover the University of Florida’s rejection of a progressive presidential candidate and critique former White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre’s new media strategy. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, guys, we are back on. Normally the show with
normalis takes, but when the news gets weird. I'm Mary
Catherine Ham.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
And I am Carol Markowitz, and we are in the
same room.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Mary cant it's weird because it's weird. It's weird on
normally today it's a weird abnormally.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Normally today, we're in Palm Beach. And the only reason
I'm saying that is because we're going to be gone
by the time this airs. My husband does not let
me share location. It's a you know, ever since the
four Square days where people would check in everywhere they went.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
He did not, like I've always been delayed on sharing
the location. It just seems like it just seems wise, right.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I know, normally listeners are our people and will not
just show up to where they think we might be
in Palm Beach. But nevertheless, it is nice to be
in the free State of Florida.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Not bad, right, Yeah. And at this lovely place where
we are staying, I was craving chocolate and I was like,
I'm going to go get myself some chocolate, and I
know it's going to be were priced at the little
store in the hotel and it was and I paid
too much. It was fine. Story's going back up to
my room. And immediately after buying my overpriced chocolate, someone
knocks on the door and says, here's some complimentary chocolate.
(01:15):
I was like, well, to go.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Now, and you could take a complimentary chocolate home.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I'm doing We'll see it might be gone. Okay, all right,
shall we get to the news, must get into it.
So the big beautiful Bill, the one big beautiful bill,
is still the subject of much consternation. That is the
word I was gonna use. We are on the same page. Look,
(01:42):
I Elon's mad. He's like, I'm out of here. I'm
going back to my businesses right right, head. This is nonsense.
Russ vote over at the White House along with the
White House saying, look, there's a lot of good stuff
in this bill, which we had to do this in
order to get the tax cuts extended. We had to
get it. We added order security, we'd all, yeah, I
(02:04):
don't think I expected any better than this, which is
why I'm like, yeah, second better.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You could hear the disappointment in Elon's tone. He's so
annoyed at this, and I fully understand him, But you
know you and I have been around political luck once
or twice and we're like, good, this is manny with
that bad.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Well, And so he puts forth all these cuts. Those
cuts can't necessarily go into this particular bill.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
They have to be part of a decision pack about
that on a previous episode, if anybody wants to catch
up with that.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Which and the President is sending that stuff over to
a total of about nine billion, which is not a
lot of money in the grand scheme of things, but
is something uh, And Speaker Johnson is like, yes, we're
going to take that up asap. People who are invested
in the Doge cuts are understandably mad, like this should
be done immediately. In fact, I would argue maybe they
should have changed the order and done a couple Doge
cuts first. Yeah, you've done to this. But let's hear
(03:00):
a little bit about why Elon Musk is upset and
I'm with him on this. Here's a little clip.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
The reason I'm here is because I'm I'm very worried
about America going bankrupt due to the corruption of waste,
and if we're gonna do something about it, the ship
of America is going to sink and we're all on
that ship, you know, and this may be a message
to you know, people out there who have you know,
are wealthy, have a lot of means or patrol companies.
(03:26):
It's like, just remember, we're all in ship of America here.
If your company is not going to exist, if you know,
if the ship of America sinks, and we should do
everything we possibly can to ensure that America is strong
for far into the future.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It's really he's not mad, he's just disappointed, and he's right. Yeah,
of course he's right, and or he's right.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
But part of the problem is neither Doge, nor the
Republican President, House Senate, nor any Democrat one once she
touched the thing that's actually the problem, which entitlements. And
if you don't do that, you really can't get a
handle on the bankrupt plan.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
You can't get elected if you're going to touch in titlements.
And you can't fix things unless you touch in titlements.
So they're in this catch twenty two. I don't think
anybody even wants to fix it anymore. I don't know,
you know, the deficit that we barely talk about it,
and Elon is of course he's right. Of course, He's
right that we're in big trouble together, but you know,
(04:30):
getting politicians who care about that and who are willing
to take political risks to fix it.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
It's very tough. By the way, there is there is
an occasional headline that makes me go about the big
Beautiful Bill, such as the Hill the Big Beautiful Bill
would secretly dismantle the civil Service. I'm listening, tell me. Katie.
Pavloch noted that there's a lot of border security stuff
in here that would get Trump through this term. Here's
(04:56):
Russ Vote, who's the OMB director with this administration planning
what he says is good about this bill.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
We think the bill is a very good one. We
think it's very strong. Fiscally, nothing's changed from our view
of the world. We understand where he's coming from. But
if you have an accurate baseline that trefs taxes the
same way trees spending, this budget is one point six
trillion dollars in mandatory savings. It's the most historic amount
(05:23):
of mandatory reforms that this town has ever seen, and
certainly we haven't seen anything like it since the mid
nineteen nineties with welfare reform. And it's a one point
four trillion dollar improvement to deficits and debt. So, but
I don't think there's any way that you could possibly
suggest this is not a fiscally responsible bill.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
There's some ways we could argue this is fiscally responsible.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You could find some and I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Try with my husband, like, I want to do a
lot of shopping and then be like, this is the
lowest amount of shopping this family has seen in the
last five.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Years, you know, And to be analogous, you need to
like really rack up your shopping in twenty twenty twenty
twenty one, which is what the federal government did the
bags for everyone. The levels of spending from twenty twenty
and twenty twenty one are absolutely insane. The baselines that
they've been observing since then are insane because that's what
government does. And that's the part where I feel like
(06:17):
if there had been an attempt to be really bold,
you could have said like, hey, let's back this train up.
And by the way, this is bold on federal government standards,
which is just like, let's take it back to normal
town in twenty nineteen. Yeah, if that's what we made it, we're.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Asking it for right. It's not even like, Okay, yes,
cutting entitlements obviously would make a huge difference, but you're
unwilling to do that. At least get us back to
where we were before the pandemic. And I don't think
Elon's really asking too much.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, and vote is right that the way they score
these things, by the Congressional Budget Office, which makes these determinations,
they count taxes as if that all that government beyond
belongs to the government and not to you. So the
way they calculate it does ding the bill and rights
that are unfair to the bill. However, nevertheless, there's a
(07:03):
lot there. I did see today that this is not
through this bill, but sanctuary. Duffy cut seven billion or
four to seven billion to California for their high speed rail,
which has never yet layin a track. Meanwhile, Florida's like
got a private high speed rail line. It's just like, oh, yeah,
we made in like a year and a half, right,
(07:24):
and it's working great. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
We'll be right back on normally our second topic today.
It's a little inside baseball, but I think it's actually
pretty important. The Florida Board of Governors voted down the
University of Florida president pick Santa Ono. Now, this guy
(07:48):
Ono came from Michigan, and the University of Florida Board
of Trustees was very dazzled by his prestige. But he
was a really typical left leaning administrator, and he kind
of tried to walk it back in the last few months,
but it was a little too late for that. And
I love that the Board of Governors did its thing
(08:10):
and said no, not here some stories about him. He
wanted to introduce d Dei to point oh at Michigan,
he does land acknowledgements, and he failed to protect Jewish
students on campus after October seventh. Beyond just failing to
protect Jewish students, he kept stressing that free speech was
(08:33):
very important to him. But then when our friend Josh
Hammer spoke there, he was shouted down by protesters. Santa
Onno did nothing until the protesters came to his house
one night, and then he suddenly took action about where
the protesters can protest.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Well, that was about his personal Well, that's different.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That matters.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
You know, administrators are often much better at putting out
statements about how they personally think free speech is important,
so they have to actually do something exactly to protect
unpopular speech on campus. To me, this is this just
looked like taking an l for no reason. If you're
going to hire this guy, it is Florida. There is
(09:13):
a vibe shift. You do not need to hire a
man coming from ann Arbor exactly in the University of
Michigan for any sort of prestige or anything, because all
these Southern schools are attracting the best students in the
nation now thanks to their you know, free COVID policies
back in the day, and not punishing students in the
(09:34):
terrible ways that Northeastern and mid Atlantic schools did. And
so what are you gaining exactly when you could be
losing a ton?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, And I can tell you that University of Florida
has had a leap in applications in twenty twenty. They
had thirty eight thousand applications this year. Last year the
number was sixty five thousand. Numbers are not in for
this year yet, I think, But I can tell you
that in my South a world, they called it the
UF bloodbath this year, Like kids got into Stamford and
(10:05):
Harvard but not into UF. And it's a new day.
You're absolutely right. The vibe shift is here. Why should
UF care about the prestige of University of Michigan. It
just it made no sense, and it was really a
line in the sand. I think it was one of
the first times that you could see, and you know,
all the headlines call this a historic stop to this
to this kind of thing, but it was the first
(10:27):
time you could see people taking action to say, no,
we're not just going to sign this guy in because
that's what we've always done. We're going to take a
stand and say.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
No, Well, this is exactly not an se school necessarily,
but a college is exactly the kind of place, and
a board of governors is exactly the kind of place
that is very susceptible to being seduced soil like, oh,
I'm a guy from an important school and I have
an important Like times are different now, Yeah, you don't
have to play that game anymore, certainly not these schools.
(10:58):
And far be it from me to speak up the
University of Florida as a bulldog, but I will lay
aside these regional differences in support of it, in support
of the larger the larger picture, and I think they
I think they made the right call here. I mean,
going from Ben Sas to exact Santa oh No from
University of Michigan would have seemed like an l and.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
It's it showed that it could be done. So I
think what will happen is in other schools, this kind
of thing will happen and they will be able to
look at the University of Florida and say their board
of governors was able to stop this wokeness encroachment, and
so can we.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
And by the way, this reminds me of Saas's immediate
October seventh statement and the I believe it was the
Sabbath meal that they hosted inside the Giant Marina after
October seventh. That's what you're looking for when it comes
to supporting your supporting your students, not this tepid nonsense
(11:58):
or total derelicts and of duty that you see at
other schools.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Right, and then the thing was like, oh, University of
Michigan only had an encampment for like a month, like
University of ngrats not have one at all. They did
not have one, and they had the biggest stater a
in the country in the April following.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
The that's sort of voice.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
It was just watching from You know, my kids aren't
college age yet, but everybody's kids around us started talking
about University of Florida as the choice because it was
such a stained place to be and it just looked
so normal. And while the other schools were setting themselves
on fire to try to protect you know, vandals and
(12:37):
people who are harassing their Jewish students, University of Florida
just wasn't having that. So Yep, good on the board
of governors. Love to see it.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Hope it spreads. Yeah, I think I think it will spread,
as we have seen the Florida model spreading to the
rest of the country is what you really want to
see instead of what we had in the past, which
is the California models separading like the East.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
We're going to take a short break and come right
back with normally.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Speaking of failed models, can we talk a little about
Carine Jean Pierre. Now she's in the news today, she
should have been in the news for the past two weeks.
But interestingly, the former Cliet White House Press secretary has
become an unbookable guest. Right No Sunday Show seems to
have her number, Yeah to get her on the air
(13:26):
during the Biden's dementia scandal news cycle. But now she's
in the news because she's got a new.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Book, Carol Yeah, and that book is called are you Ready?
I love this so much, Independent colon a look inside
a broken White House outside the party lines.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I have trouble communicating about this one without cussing. This
is the goal, absolutely insane.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
The audacity.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Let's hear a little bit of her audacity at the
risk of giving her press she doesn't deserve. I think
you do need to get your mind. You're aft around
like what a person like her is willing to do
to turn a career post White House, post that disastrous
White House that she covered up for. Here's here's a
little bit of her pitch about this book.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Hi, I'm Karine Jean Pierre, and I am the author
of a new book that's coming out this fall called Independent.
It's coming out on October twenty first, so please please
do grab it. And the reason I wrote this book
coming out of the White House. You know, serving as
White House pre secretary was an honor and a privilege.
But since I have left, the people that come up
(14:38):
to me, strangers that come up to me just across
the country, as I'm traveling, and sometimes right in my neighborhood,
at a grocery store, supermarket, airport, my daughter's school. The
number one question.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
They ask me is Korean. How do we get out
of this? How do we protect our democracy? How do
we protect vulnerable communities among us? What do we do next?
Because we don't have answers here? That's what they ask me.
And this is my answer. And what I mean by
that is in an era of misinformation, disinformation, the regressiveness
(15:11):
of social policy, what we're seeing currently right now, what
I have decided to do, and I really have thought
long and hard about this, is to follow my own compass.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
And that's what I've done. And that's what this book does.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
And here's the truth, and here's how I will.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Lay it out to you.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
I think we need to stop thinking in boxes and
think outside of our boxes and not be so partisan.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Outside our outside our boxes. Okay, a couple of things.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I don't know what she is thinking with this.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Independent is such a ludicrous title. She said she's leaving
the Democratic Party, but that's part of this. Uh, your
job description is to be the opposite of independent. If
you are the White House President Secretary she happens to
be the worst one since I've been alive, and this
is an indication of why. And she's just she's using
(16:09):
this sort of bland news speak yes to pivot to
this nonsense position in which she tells all of us,
not White House press secretaries, who covered up for an
old man president who couldn't do the job, we need
to be.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Less partisan better, we need to be disappointed.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I love it when I says, he here's the truth, now, girl,
you can't use that line.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I like when she says misinformation and disinformation like, oh
it was coming from.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
It is stunning, And I'll tell you what she's thinking.
Politico has actually done some reporting on this the Ungettable Guest,
which they haven't been able to book for anything else where.
They have found that what she is, what she was
aiming for post White House was a spot on the view.
But she didn't get it. So I say, did somebody
(17:03):
else get it? I don't think so. So I know I
think I was she gonna muscle one of them out,
and I don't know what was the plan there. There's
a political story that talks about Gilda Squires, a New
York based publicist who worked with her while she was
in the White House, got her the Vogue spread, got
her the Women's Health thing, traveled with her in New
York to appear on the View. According to former officials,
Jean Pierre had been hoping for a post White House
(17:23):
job as a co host on the show, following the
template of her predecessor, Jinsaki, who departed the job after
just more after just more than a year for an
anchor job at MSNBC. But no such opportunity materialized for
Jean Pierre. A factorss three of her former colleagues surmise
that likely led to the book. A little side story
on this is that Gilda Squire, this pr person, A
(17:46):
lot of people in the White House apparently were annoyed
that KJP was using this woman to like boost herself
at the expense of other people in the White House.
And Alex Thompson asked them at the time, I've heard
that you have guild a squire roped in on official
White House stuff. You're publicist who is not vetted for anything.
And he asked gild A Squire and could you pee
(18:09):
about it? And they said, no, no, no, that's not real. No,
of course not today Alex Thompson burnt guild Esquire as
a source and published her off the record emails denying
this last saying, if you don't tell the truth, you're
no longer off the record. And I wish they would
do that for more people.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Oh that's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I miss that burn everyone.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah. Absolutely, I you don't get to stay anonymous. It's
amazing because I can't see her in any kind of
neusual jen Zaki. I am not a fan, but she
was effective and you could see why she would be
good on television. Queen Jean Pierre ineffective, and I cannot
(18:51):
see her getting a point across. I didn't understand what
the point of her book was in that explanation.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
So no, it's actually it's all the downsides of like
I feel old gas lit, and yet there was nothing
there that she's fighting for. Right, She's not even gaslighting
me for a purpose anymore. Yeah, what do you mean?
Broken white House?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Who broke?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Who it? Right?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Who? You never mentioned anything was broken before?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah? My take was like if I were to write,
like Free Spirit, the story of a broken laundry system
in my home, and how I had nothing to do
with it, Right, It's just like, this was your responsibility,
you were part of this.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, exactly. I was waiting for the Insider books to
come out because it would be like, this is who
was really running the White House, and this is what
the inside review was. But this is so mealy mouthed.
Who broke the White House? What was broken inside of it?
I can't quite envision what she's going to say, and
it just sounded so neither here nor there.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I assume that it's going to be an argument that
they should have been further to the left. I also
like the construction is very passive, like inside a broken
right right, your point, who broke it? Yeah, It's like
me looking at all the laundry in my house and
being like free spirit inside the story of a broken
laundry system with which I had nothing to do. It's like,
this is part of your job, man. But she's just
(20:11):
dispensing with responsibility for any of this, even though she
was these main spokesperson for the biggest presidential scandal of
my lifetime. Yeah, and she's just going to be like
anyway onto being a fiery progressive independent.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I mean, maybe she ends up at some sort of
news program. I just again, I have a hard time
visualizing it.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I think she's going to be a casualty of the
Biden scandals. I think they're done with him, and by extension,
they're going to be done with her and her self. Promotion. Yeah,
I don't think this will be juicy enough to be
a huge seller. I do look forward to the fact
that suddenly she will be a bookable guest and maybe
someone could ask her a question about the Giant scandal.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I have such a hard time picturing anybody asking her question, yeah,
about the Giant scandal, other than Pete Goosey. I mean,
she can go on Fox.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
The nice thing is that no matter how gentle the questions,
she will screw it up right. Whatever the answer is,
she might accidentally tell you the whole answer. I r'ight
be like, well, let me look at my binder, and
the binder will just be like, yes, he was basically
comatose for four years and here are the ways. Oh wrong, page,
I shouldn't have read that. Well, I'm looking forward to
(21:28):
that news cycle.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
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Hey, guys, we are back on. Normally the show with
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Catherine Ham.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
And I am Carol Markowitz, and we are in the
same room.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Mary cant it's weird because it's weird. It's weird on
normally today it's a weird abnormally.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Normally today, we're in Palm Beach. And the only reason
I'm saying that is because we're going to be gone
by the time this airs. My husband does not let
me share location. It's a you know, ever since the
four Square days where people would check in everywhere they went.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
He did not, like I've always been delayed on sharing
the location. It just seems like it just seems wise, right.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I know, normally listeners are our people and will not
just show up to where they think we might be
in Palm Beach. But nevertheless, it is nice to be
in the free State of Florida.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Not bad, right, Yeah. And at this lovely place where
we are staying, I was craving chocolate and I was like,
I'm going to go get myself some chocolate, and I
know it's going to be were priced at the little
store in the hotel and it was and I paid
too much. It was fine. Story's going back up to
my room. And immediately after buying my overpriced chocolate, someone
knocks on the door and says, here's some complimentary chocolate.
(01:15):
I was like, well, to go.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Now, and you could take a complimentary chocolate home.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I'm doing We'll see it might be gone. Okay, all right,
shall we get to the news, must get into it.
So the big beautiful Bill, the one big beautiful bill,
is still the subject of much consternation. That is the
word I was gonna use. We are on the same page. Look,
(01:42):
I Elon's mad. He's like, I'm out of here. I'm
going back to my businesses right right, head. This is nonsense.
Russ vote over at the White House along with the
White House saying, look, there's a lot of good stuff
in this bill, which we had to do this in
order to get the tax cuts extended. We had to
get it. We added order security, we'd all, yeah, I
(02:04):
don't think I expected any better than this, which is
why I'm like, yeah, second better.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You could hear the disappointment in Elon's tone. He's so
annoyed at this, and I fully understand him, But you
know you and I have been around political luck once
or twice and we're like, good, this is manny with
that bad.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Well, And so he puts forth all these cuts. Those
cuts can't necessarily go into this particular bill.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
They have to be part of a decision pack about
that on a previous episode, if anybody wants to catch
up with that.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Which and the President is sending that stuff over to
a total of about nine billion, which is not a
lot of money in the grand scheme of things, but
is something uh, And Speaker Johnson is like, yes, we're
going to take that up asap. People who are invested
in the Doge cuts are understandably mad, like this should
be done immediately. In fact, I would argue maybe they
should have changed the order and done a couple Doge
cuts first. Yeah, you've done to this. But let's hear
(03:00):
a little bit about why Elon Musk is upset and
I'm with him on this. Here's a little clip.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
The reason I'm here is because I'm I'm very worried
about America going bankrupt due to the corruption of waste,
and if we're gonna do something about it, the ship
of America is going to sink and we're all on
that ship, you know, and this may be a message
to you know, people out there who have you know,
are wealthy, have a lot of means or patrol companies.
(03:26):
It's like, just remember, we're all in ship of America here.
If your company is not going to exist, if you know,
if the ship of America sinks, and we should do
everything we possibly can to ensure that America is strong
for far into the future.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It's really he's not mad, he's just disappointed, and he's right. Yeah,
of course he's right, and or he's right.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
But part of the problem is neither Doge, nor the
Republican President, House Senate, nor any Democrat one once she
touched the thing that's actually the problem, which entitlements. And
if you don't do that, you really can't get a
handle on the bankrupt plan.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
You can't get elected if you're going to touch in titlements.
And you can't fix things unless you touch in titlements.
So they're in this catch twenty two. I don't think
anybody even wants to fix it anymore. I don't know,
you know, the deficit that we barely talk about it,
and Elon is of course he's right. Of course, He's
right that we're in big trouble together, but you know,
(04:30):
getting politicians who care about that and who are willing
to take political risks to fix it.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
It's very tough. By the way, there is there is
an occasional headline that makes me go about the big
Beautiful Bill, such as the Hill the Big Beautiful Bill
would secretly dismantle the civil Service. I'm listening, tell me. Katie.
Pavloch noted that there's a lot of border security stuff
in here that would get Trump through this term. Here's
(04:56):
Russ Vote, who's the OMB director with this administration planning
what he says is good about this bill.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
We think the bill is a very good one. We
think it's very strong. Fiscally, nothing's changed from our view
of the world. We understand where he's coming from. But
if you have an accurate baseline that trefs taxes the
same way trees spending, this budget is one point six
trillion dollars in mandatory savings. It's the most historic amount
(05:23):
of mandatory reforms that this town has ever seen, and
certainly we haven't seen anything like it since the mid
nineteen nineties with welfare reform. And it's a one point
four trillion dollar improvement to deficits and debt. So, but
I don't think there's any way that you could possibly
suggest this is not a fiscally responsible bill.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
There's some ways we could argue this is fiscally responsible.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You could find some and I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Try with my husband, like, I want to do a
lot of shopping and then be like, this is the
lowest amount of shopping this family has seen in the
last five.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Years, you know, And to be analogous, you need to
like really rack up your shopping in twenty twenty twenty
twenty one, which is what the federal government did the
bags for everyone. The levels of spending from twenty twenty
and twenty twenty one are absolutely insane. The baselines that
they've been observing since then are insane because that's what
government does. And that's the part where I feel like
(06:17):
if there had been an attempt to be really bold,
you could have said like, hey, let's back this train up.
And by the way, this is bold on federal government standards,
which is just like, let's take it back to normal
town in twenty nineteen. Yeah, if that's what we made it, we're.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Asking it for right. It's not even like, Okay, yes,
cutting entitlements obviously would make a huge difference, but you're
unwilling to do that. At least get us back to
where we were before the pandemic. And I don't think
Elon's really asking too much.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, and vote is right that the way they score
these things, by the Congressional Budget Office, which makes these determinations,
they count taxes as if that all that government beyond
belongs to the government and not to you. So the
way they calculate it does ding the bill and rights
that are unfair to the bill. However, nevertheless, there's a
(07:03):
lot there. I did see today that this is not
through this bill, but sanctuary. Duffy cut seven billion or
four to seven billion to California for their high speed rail,
which has never yet layin a track. Meanwhile, Florida's like
got a private high speed rail line. It's just like, oh, yeah,
we made in like a year and a half, right,
(07:24):
and it's working great. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
We'll be right back on normally our second topic today.
It's a little inside baseball, but I think it's actually
pretty important. The Florida Board of Governors voted down the
University of Florida president pick Santa Ono. Now, this guy
(07:48):
Ono came from Michigan, and the University of Florida Board
of Trustees was very dazzled by his prestige. But he
was a really typical left leaning administrator, and he kind
of tried to walk it back in the last few months,
but it was a little too late for that. And
I love that the Board of Governors did its thing
(08:10):
and said no, not here some stories about him. He
wanted to introduce d Dei to point oh at Michigan,
he does land acknowledgements, and he failed to protect Jewish
students on campus after October seventh. Beyond just failing to
protect Jewish students, he kept stressing that free speech was
(08:33):
very important to him. But then when our friend Josh
Hammer spoke there, he was shouted down by protesters. Santa
Onno did nothing until the protesters came to his house
one night, and then he suddenly took action about where
the protesters can protest.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Well, that was about his personal Well, that's different.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That matters.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
You know, administrators are often much better at putting out
statements about how they personally think free speech is important,
so they have to actually do something exactly to protect
unpopular speech on campus. To me, this is this just
looked like taking an l for no reason. If you're
going to hire this guy, it is Florida. There is
(09:13):
a vibe shift. You do not need to hire a
man coming from ann Arbor exactly in the University of
Michigan for any sort of prestige or anything, because all
these Southern schools are attracting the best students in the
nation now thanks to their you know, free COVID policies
back in the day, and not punishing students in the
(09:34):
terrible ways that Northeastern and mid Atlantic schools did. And
so what are you gaining exactly when you could be
losing a ton?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, And I can tell you that University of Florida
has had a leap in applications in twenty twenty. They
had thirty eight thousand applications this year. Last year the
number was sixty five thousand. Numbers are not in for
this year yet, I think, But I can tell you
that in my South a world, they called it the
UF bloodbath this year, Like kids got into Stamford and
(10:05):
Harvard but not into UF. And it's a new day.
You're absolutely right. The vibe shift is here. Why should
UF care about the prestige of University of Michigan. It
just it made no sense, and it was really a
line in the sand. I think it was one of
the first times that you could see, and you know,
all the headlines call this a historic stop to this
to this kind of thing, but it was the first
(10:27):
time you could see people taking action to say, no,
we're not just going to sign this guy in because
that's what we've always done. We're going to take a
stand and say.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
No, Well, this is exactly not an se school necessarily,
but a college is exactly the kind of place, and
a board of governors is exactly the kind of place
that is very susceptible to being seduced soil like, oh,
I'm a guy from an important school and I have
an important Like times are different now, Yeah, you don't
have to play that game anymore, certainly not these schools.
(10:58):
And far be it from me to speak up the
University of Florida as a bulldog, but I will lay
aside these regional differences in support of it, in support
of the larger the larger picture, and I think they
I think they made the right call here. I mean,
going from Ben Sas to exact Santa oh No from
University of Michigan would have seemed like an l and.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
It's it showed that it could be done. So I
think what will happen is in other schools, this kind
of thing will happen and they will be able to
look at the University of Florida and say their board
of governors was able to stop this wokeness encroachment, and
so can we.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
And by the way, this reminds me of Saas's immediate
October seventh statement and the I believe it was the
Sabbath meal that they hosted inside the Giant Marina after
October seventh. That's what you're looking for when it comes
to supporting your supporting your students, not this tepid nonsense
(11:58):
or total derelicts and of duty that you see at
other schools.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Right, and then the thing was like, oh, University of
Michigan only had an encampment for like a month, like
University of ngrats not have one at all. They did
not have one, and they had the biggest stater a
in the country in the April following.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
The that's sort of voice.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
It was just watching from You know, my kids aren't
college age yet, but everybody's kids around us started talking
about University of Florida as the choice because it was
such a stained place to be and it just looked
so normal. And while the other schools were setting themselves
on fire to try to protect you know, vandals and
(12:37):
people who are harassing their Jewish students, University of Florida
just wasn't having that. So Yep, good on the board
of governors. Love to see it.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Hope it spreads. Yeah, I think I think it will spread,
as we have seen the Florida model spreading to the
rest of the country is what you really want to
see instead of what we had in the past, which
is the California models separading like the East.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
We're going to take a short break and come right
back with normally.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Speaking of failed models, can we talk a little about
Carine Jean Pierre. Now she's in the news today, she
should have been in the news for the past two weeks.
But interestingly, the former Cliet White House Press secretary has
become an unbookable guest. Right No Sunday Show seems to
have her number, Yeah to get her on the air
(13:26):
during the Biden's dementia scandal news cycle. But now she's
in the news because she's got a new.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Book, Carol Yeah, and that book is called are you Ready?
I love this so much, Independent colon a look inside
a broken White House outside the party lines.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I have trouble communicating about this one without cussing. This
is the goal, absolutely insane.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
The audacity.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Let's hear a little bit of her audacity at the
risk of giving her press she doesn't deserve. I think
you do need to get your mind. You're aft around
like what a person like her is willing to do
to turn a career post White House, post that disastrous
White House that she covered up for. Here's here's a
little bit of her pitch about this book.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Hi, I'm Karine Jean Pierre, and I am the author
of a new book that's coming out this fall called Independent.
It's coming out on October twenty first, so please please
do grab it. And the reason I wrote this book
coming out of the White House. You know, serving as
White House pre secretary was an honor and a privilege.
But since I have left, the people that come up
(14:38):
to me, strangers that come up to me just across
the country, as I'm traveling, and sometimes right in my neighborhood,
at a grocery store, supermarket, airport, my daughter's school. The
number one question.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
They ask me is Korean. How do we get out
of this? How do we protect our democracy? How do
we protect vulnerable communities among us? What do we do next?
Because we don't have answers here? That's what they ask me.
And this is my answer. And what I mean by
that is in an era of misinformation, disinformation, the regressiveness
(15:11):
of social policy, what we're seeing currently right now, what
I have decided to do, and I really have thought
long and hard about this, is to follow my own compass.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
And that's what I've done. And that's what this book does.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
And here's the truth, and here's how I will.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Lay it out to you.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
I think we need to stop thinking in boxes and
think outside of our boxes and not be so partisan.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Outside our outside our boxes. Okay, a couple of things.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I don't know what she is thinking with this.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Independent is such a ludicrous title. She said she's leaving
the Democratic Party, but that's part of this. Uh, your
job description is to be the opposite of independent. If
you are the White House President Secretary she happens to
be the worst one since I've been alive, and this
is an indication of why. And she's just she's using
(16:09):
this sort of bland news speak yes to pivot to
this nonsense position in which she tells all of us,
not White House press secretaries, who covered up for an
old man president who couldn't do the job, we need
to be.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Less partisan better, we need to be disappointed.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I love it when I says, he here's the truth, now, girl,
you can't use that line.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I like when she says misinformation and disinformation like, oh
it was coming from.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
It is stunning, And I'll tell you what she's thinking.
Politico has actually done some reporting on this the Ungettable Guest,
which they haven't been able to book for anything else where.
They have found that what she is, what she was
aiming for post White House was a spot on the view.
But she didn't get it. So I say, did somebody
(17:03):
else get it? I don't think so. So I know I
think I was she gonna muscle one of them out,
and I don't know what was the plan there. There's
a political story that talks about Gilda Squires, a New
York based publicist who worked with her while she was
in the White House, got her the Vogue spread, got
her the Women's Health thing, traveled with her in New
York to appear on the View. According to former officials,
Jean Pierre had been hoping for a post White House
(17:23):
job as a co host on the show, following the
template of her predecessor, Jinsaki, who departed the job after
just more after just more than a year for an
anchor job at MSNBC. But no such opportunity materialized for
Jean Pierre. A factorss three of her former colleagues surmise
that likely led to the book. A little side story
on this is that Gilda Squire, this pr person, A
(17:46):
lot of people in the White House apparently were annoyed
that KJP was using this woman to like boost herself
at the expense of other people in the White House.
And Alex Thompson asked them at the time, I've heard
that you have guild a squire roped in on official
White House stuff. You're publicist who is not vetted for anything.
And he asked gild A Squire and could you pee
(18:09):
about it? And they said, no, no, no, that's not real. No,
of course not today Alex Thompson burnt guild Esquire as
a source and published her off the record emails denying
this last saying, if you don't tell the truth, you're
no longer off the record. And I wish they would
do that for more people.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Oh that's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I miss that burn everyone.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah. Absolutely, I you don't get to stay anonymous. It's
amazing because I can't see her in any kind of
neusual jen Zaki. I am not a fan, but she
was effective and you could see why she would be
good on television. Queen Jean Pierre ineffective, and I cannot
(18:51):
see her getting a point across. I didn't understand what
the point of her book was in that explanation.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
So no, it's actually it's all the downsides of like
I feel old gas lit, and yet there was nothing
there that she's fighting for. Right, She's not even gaslighting
me for a purpose anymore. Yeah, what do you mean?
Broken white House?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Who broke?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Who it? Right?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Who? You never mentioned anything was broken before?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah? My take was like if I were to write,
like Free Spirit, the story of a broken laundry system
in my home, and how I had nothing to do
with it, Right, It's just like, this was your responsibility,
you were part of this.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, exactly. I was waiting for the Insider books to
come out because it would be like, this is who
was really running the White House, and this is what
the inside review was. But this is so mealy mouthed.
Who broke the White House? What was broken inside of it?
I can't quite envision what she's going to say, and
it just sounded so neither here nor there.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I assume that it's going to be an argument that
they should have been further to the left. I also
like the construction is very passive, like inside a broken
right right, your point, who broke it? Yeah, It's like
me looking at all the laundry in my house and
being like free spirit inside the story of a broken
laundry system with which I had nothing to do. It's like,
this is part of your job, man. But she's just
(20:11):
dispensing with responsibility for any of this, even though she
was these main spokesperson for the biggest presidential scandal of
my lifetime. Yeah, and she's just going to be like
anyway onto being a fiery progressive independent.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I mean, maybe she ends up at some sort of
news program. I just again, I have a hard time
visualizing it.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I think she's going to be a casualty of the
Biden scandals. I think they're done with him, and by extension,
they're going to be done with her and her self. Promotion. Yeah,
I don't think this will be juicy enough to be
a huge seller. I do look forward to the fact
that suddenly she will be a bookable guest and maybe
someone could ask her a question about the Giant scandal.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I have such a hard time picturing anybody asking her question, yeah,
about the Giant scandal, other than Pete Goosey. I mean,
she can go on Fox.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
The nice thing is that no matter how gentle the questions,
she will screw it up right. Whatever the answer is,
she might accidentally tell you the whole answer. I r'ight
be like, well, let me look at my binder, and
the binder will just be like, yes, he was basically
comatose for four years and here are the ways. Oh wrong, page,
I shouldn't have read that. Well, I'm looking forward to
(21:28):
that news cycle.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
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