October 31, 2024 • 24 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz discuss various political topics, including Kamala Harris's recent speech, the implications of Biden's garbage comment, and the overall political landscape as the 2024 election approaches. They share personal anecdotes about parenting and delve into the differences in campaigning strategies, voter perceptions, and media coverage of incidents related to the election. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, guys, and welcome back to normally the show with
normalish takes for when the news gets weird.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm Mary Catherine.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Ham and I'm Carol Markowitz.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
We're busy out here, folks, and we're not just busy
in the news. I do want to say that I
have three girls and one boy, and just from having
hung out with him this morning, the number of head
injuries is just so much higher exponentially for my boy
than the girls.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Like they're a totally different gender and everything. It's a
real difference.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I have, like a really active three year old girl,
like so athletic, adventurous, all over everything. But man, that
risk assessment is just different. It's just it's different.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, my girl climbs trees, very active. But the boys,
you know, are constantly injuring themselves. There was this thing
recently where Jonathan hate Posts did that, like, you know,
you used to be able to used to walk into
like a third grade classroom and like it would be
like a hospital waiting room and everybody would be in
casts and that doesn't happen anymore. And I was, like,
it happens in my home in my home, we're like
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looking for a package deal to the emergency room for
the youngest son. Yeah, it depends, It really depends.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I'm new to this, although as a child I was
raised with two boys, so like I understood, but now
I'm re learning all of this, and I just didn't
understand that checking pupils would be like a daily.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Thing that I was up to.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So anyway, that's that's what I've been keeping tabs on
other than the election. But let's get into the election. Yeah,
Kamala Harris gave a speech on the Ellipse in Washington
last night. To the number the estimates are some seventy
five thousand people.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'm gonna I'll allow it.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I'm not going to have a fight about crowd sizes
to I imagine a lot of DC denizens were there,
a lot of members of the sort of establishment community
here in DC. It was meant to invoke the speech
that Trump gave on January sixth to his supporters. Was
in the same spot, she had the White House behind her,
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and the idea was to communicate to everybody that she's
up for this job, and right Trump's a huge threat
and she's going to change and fix all the things
that are broken now that are happening on her watch.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
So what's your verdict, Carol.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
You know, it was so bizarre that I didn't know
who I was listening to. Kamala Harris is going to
deport illegal immigrants. That's what she said last night. I
am so confused because, of course everybody immediately posted a
montage of her saying all these terrible things about Donald
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Trump and how his you know, deporting immigrants is so wrong,
and that idea is just not one that she could
ever abide by. And now she's like, let's do it now.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
We actually have a clip of her. Let's hear the
new Kamala.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
And when I am president, we will quickly remove those
who arrive here unlawfully, prosecute the cartels, and give border
patrol the support they so desperately need. At the same time,
we must acknowledge we are a nation of immigrants, and
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I will work with Congress to pass immigration reform, including
an earned path to citizenship for hard working immigrants like
farm workers.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And our dreamers. So she's gonna she's gonna deport quickly.
She's currently an ace's going to do it. She's currently
in office.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
They also, this is the thing that gets me, they
exacerbated the problem when they decided upon taking office that
they would govern in opposition to Trump.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Governing an opposition to Trump is not a wise way
to make policy. And they shouldn't have removed a bunch
of measures he had in place that kept the border
relatively secure. They did, They paid the political price for it,
and now they say, like, it's Congress that hasn't.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Done its job. Exact girl, you were there for all
of this.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah, and they've managed to decrease the flow at the border,
you know, using an executive order. They didn't. They literally
just went back to some of the policies of the
Trump administration and illegal immigration went down. It is an
odd thing for her to be talking about in the
last few days of the campaign. I get that she
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wanted to send the message that Donald Trump is a
threat once again. I think that that's something that they
beat us over the head with. But this just it
didn't land for a lot of reasons. But you know,
I don't entirely get it.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, speaking of beating us over the head with the message.
I read a Vox piece which was pretty helpful on
running through because I remembered this. There's a lot of
there's not a small amount of empirical data and surveys
that show that telling people that Trump is a threat
is not the thing that's going to convince undecided voters
right now. If they were going to decide based upon that,
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they would have already decided, right So they're telling you
that putting it in the January sixth spot and talking
about how he's a threat and calling him a fascist
is a play for undecided voters. I don't think it is.
I don't think the evidence shows that it is. And
there's a great paragraph in the Vox piece that basically
says Trump curious voters also heard from Democrats for four
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years how this was such a problem and yet never
experienced the repression that they were told was happening. And
I was like, that does seem important.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Shocking that Vox wrote it up like that.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
So there are plenty of people, including her own major pack,
I think, wondering whether this is the correct turn to
take at this point.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I saw the major packs of the pack and the
candidate are not allowed to coordinate for people who don't know,
so the pack basically went to the news with their
concerns that the campaign was overusing the Nazi thing. And
that's how the Kamala campaign gets to hear what the
pack is just thinking.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Now we have one more clip from Kamala, and then
you're going to hear a clip that undermines Kamala Harris's
whole night. So here's Kamala Harris talking about her philosophy
of working across the aisle.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
People who disagree with me are the enemy. He wants
to put them in jail. I'll give them a seat
at the table.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
That was hilariously clipped inadvertently clipped that way, But what
she said was just so we can move from there.
She said, I do not believe that people who disagree
with me are the enemy. He wants to put them
in jail. I want to give them a seat at
the table.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
The Nazis are getting a seat at the table. What
a country.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It's so nice.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I don't believe her that she thinks people who disagree
with her are not the enemy. She's been calling him
a fascist and by extension, his supporters fascist supporters. Yep,
her allies have very enthusiastically this week called his gathering
in Madison Square Garden a Nazi rally. So that doesn't
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say to me that we're coming together. I don't feel
that we're coming together in that moment. And you know
who also didn't feel like we're coming together, President Joe Biden,
who was speaking on a zoom for Latino voter outreach,
and he referenced the joke by the roast comic Tony
Hinchcliff at the Mason Square Garden event, which a lot
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of people have made a lot of hay about, and
to be fair, several Puerto Rican influencers and performers have
jumped into the fray over this. So like I'm willing
to believe that it's a thing.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
But it was like a.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Three day news cycle, right, he references it, and then
he gives us another several day news cycle with this beauty.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Or Puerto Rico where I'm in my home state of Delaware.
They're good, decent, honorable people. The only garbage icee float
not there is his supporters. His demonizational scene is unconscionable,
and it's on American garbage Nazis.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
My mom is so proud.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Garbage Nazis with a seat at the table.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Carol, Yeah, This is an interesting moment because you wouldn't
normally have the sitting president, yeah, doing an event while
his vice president, who's running for president, is doing an
event that is much more important.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So that speaks to some lack of coordination.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
We've heard about that, some maybe a little bad blood,
and uh, look, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
The president's capable of being president, but he's certainly capable
of stepping all over her stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
It's amazing in the most precise ways possible, Like he's like,
what's her message again?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Okay, I'm going to go opposite. I'm going to do that.
We'll be right back on normally in just a minute.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
The thing is, it's clear that it's what he really believes,
and it's not a secret that they believe this. It's
so funny that there's this reaction today. You know, we
don't think that Trump supporters her garbage, but you think
they're Nazis. I'm not sure that one is necessarily worse
than the other when you're calling them names. So it's
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really crazy to me that it's being first of all,
the lie that he didn't really say what he said,
that there's an apostrophe in there. Mary Catherine is there
an apostrophe in there?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah? So theory.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
The theory is that he meant when he ended that
sentence to refer to only Tony Hinchcliffe's garbage, right, the
garbage belonged to Tony Hinchcliff. There was an apostrophe there, Yeah,
I mean he ends the sentence pretty clearly.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
This is like an emphatic thing he's saying.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
As you note Ockham's razor here, Carol, people have been
expressing that they believe Trump supporters are trash for nine years.
In fact, one of the things that distinguished me in
my job at CNN when I was there is that
I was not.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
A Trump supporter.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
In fact, I was often critical, but I was defensive
of his supporters, and I could understand how they were
motivated to vote for him. I was a rare one
because the rest of them were like, no, their motivations
are bad, and they are bad.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Right, So why are we acting surprised now?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Right? It's been going on for so long, and obviously
Hillary Clinton had what was her moment during her race
against Donald Trump where she said that his supporters were
basket of deplorables, and that really hurt her. I think
that she was really saying that half the country basically
were this basket of deplorables. And I think this is
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so much worse. The only thing that Kamala Harris has
is to say, i'm you know, this guy's not running.
I am. But she's been very clear that she is
supportive of Biden and his policies, and she's covered up
the fact that he was unwell for a long time.
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It's kind of hard for her now to parse her
way out of this and say I'm not part of this.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
This is the pickle they keep getting themselves in, which
is that if you want to continue the charad that
he charad, I'm very sophisticated, that he is the president
right and that he's functioning, you have to let him talk.
Sometimes when they let him talk, he says things that
the campaign doesn't want him to say, and then they
have to distance themselves themselves from him. Right now, they
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don't even know what the correct lie is because Josh Shapiro,
being a smart politician, was like, he shouldn't have said that.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
That's a.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
And then the White House is like, no, no, no, he
didn't say that. And Harris, the epitome of a leader
doesn't know which position to take.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Right, which lie is the one?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
She's in a pickle, she really is.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
The way, is it so much to ask to hold
the President of the United States to the same standard
as you hold a roast comic.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
You think, right, yeah, because I'm willing to.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Believe that the roast comic bad joke might make some
people mad, and you shouldn't have done that unforced error.
And I'll say that, right, this seems like at least
as big a deal.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
But I'm being told it's not right.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Somehow, it's not as big a deal. Randy Barnett had
this great tweet if he said, unlike Tony Hinchcliff, Joe
Biden is not on the ballot because Tony Hinchcliff, I
didn't even know the guy's name. I had to like
look up the Rose Comics name.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
So it's it is wild. We have one little clip more.
I want to play Scott Jennings Good Soldier over and
see where he says, like, hey, I think maybe you
guys do think we're garbage, but the CNN panels not
having it.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
You use people where they are best. You put Obama
in a big arena, you put Michelle in a big arena,
and you put Joe Biden in front of a bunch
of union people do in retail politics.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
You could make the argument that they would be fine
if Joe Biden wasn't anywhere near a book between now
and next two today.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Let me just accept the most charitable framing of this,
which you just gave. Why is he sitting in front
of a laptop at the exact same moment Kamala Harris
is out on his backyard trying to give the closing
argument to her campaign. What in the world is he doing.
I don't accept your framing of it personally because I
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actually do believe he Harris, the Democratic Party and most
of their campaign. I do believe that half the country
is garbage. They've also said people who go to Trump
rallies are Nazis, and so it's pretty apparent the disdain
with which they hold half of the country. Speech tonight,
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but as a tactical matter today, but you don't in
the world is Joe Biden giving remarks at the same.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I'll give you that. I'll give you that his face
in the beginning, that the camera face.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Like I love.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
You can't just say that, it's like I can't just
say that y'all have spent the last three days that
all of these people not since this is this is
not even controversial, And I think I'm very reactive to gaslighting,
and so I I do put large emphasis on things
that might not have as large an emphasis if you
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didn't lie to my face about what the president is
saying in that clip, if you didn't release a cleaned
up transcript where you add an apostrophe so it's not
as egregious, if you aren't a person in the press
who has run with the bloodbath comments and totally taken
those out of context.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, to then tell me this is out of context,
right right?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
And you know, when we ran that clip of Harris
and it sounds like she's saying something she's not, you
immediately clarified so that our listeners know the full story.
We could have left it like that. We could have
left it like she said, you know that she wants
to jail her opponents or whatever. We could have let
people believe that. But it's important to tell the truth,
and it's important to not misinform your viewers and listeners.
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I think that's such a big deal that gets kind
of glossed over at these televised insane asylums.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I woant to note one more quick stat because like,
who knows what's happening in this race. But I do
think if you're running to save democracy, as Kamala Harris does.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
That you should work really, really hard.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
And I just want to give you the numbers from
Axios forty three cities visited in twenty twenty four for
the Democratic candidate, and I guess that's a split workload
with Biden. Anyway, If we're doing all of twenty twenty
four fifty seven for Trump and these numbers are on par,
this is a sin that number forty three is on
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par with Joe Biden's twenty twenty number in the heart
of COVID forty two cities he visited.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
That's inexcusable. Why aren't you more places than that?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Right? It's interesting because during that campaign, and I've been
on campaigns, you know, it's so busy and hectic and
you don't sleep, and it's NonStop. During that campaign, I said,
if Joe Biden wins, this might just completely change the
way people campaign. If you can do it from a basement,
then why wouldn't you And really remains to be seen
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what happens on Tuesday if she pulls this out. I
don't see why any candidate go forward and work the
kind of work that Donald Trump is doing. I think
that they would say it's a new way of campaigning now,
and we don't have to visit these places, so we'll
see what happens on.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
My contrast, By the way, Obama in two thousand and
eight ninety six cities and McCain was on par with him. Meanwhile,
they were telling us that he was exhausted, just like
they're making.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
That argument about Trump.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
A couple one update from the State of Virginia on
election week shenanigans. Remember, the State of Virginia was sued
by the Department of Justice over a two thousand and
six law that allowed it to cull certain self designated
non citizens from its voter roles. So if a non
citizen checked a box at the DMV on a form
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that indicated they were a non citizen, and they were
accidentally on the voter rolls, then that would be cleaned.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Up right, the saintest plan in the world.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
And it also, by the way, if you're concerned about
it catching citizens in there, it has three backstop including
a provisional ballot that you can do on the day
of voting. This has been enforced since two thousand and
six by Democrats and Republicans. It was passed and signed
under Tim Kaine, current Democratic Senators governorship. The DOJ in
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writing at the time, said it did not violate federal law,
but they're after them, so this goes through the courts quickly.
Supreme Court just ruled that, in fact, Virginia can take
the voters they have found that are indicated by those
people that they are not citizens off of the voter roles.
I can't believe they're fighting for this in the open.
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I feel like it's a bad message.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
And three Supreme Court justices opposed this, so what was
their thinking on it? I mean, I haven't read the
decision yet, but it's it's crazy to me that three
Supreme Court justices are like, no, you can't remove people
who are here illegally from your voter roles. Why not?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Well, and I understand the thing that they're claiming it
violates is this sort of ninety day timeout where people aren't.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Purged from voter roles.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
But these are very specific numbers, and because it's not
a systematic look at the voter rolls, then you can
make very specific decisions which don't endanger a lot of people. So, like,
I understand the argument on the other side, I just
don't think this meets it at all.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
It just seems like sane things that they're doing.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yeah, the sane state of Virginia is doing the right
thing here.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
This is normally We'll be back after this message. Another
story Shenanigan's out in Colorado. The Secretary of State of
Colorado accidentally released publicly.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Accidentally.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
The passwords for the voting systems.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Right this by the way, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
No, I was gonna say, it's either malice or incompetence.
Either way, she has to be fired. I don't see
how they're there's a third option here.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Well, she's the department says the Colorida Department. State is
aware that a spreadsheet located on the department's website and
properly included a hidden tab including partial passwords to certain components.
There's all this minimizing of Colorado voting systems. This does
not pose an immediate security threat to Colorado's elections, nor
will it impact how ballots are counted. This is the
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Colorado secretary of state, by the way, who tried to
take Trump off the ballots.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Just in case you're interested in her, agree her.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Positions here, right, it's yeah. Again, I don't understand how
she keeps her job here, But and I don't understand
why Democrats aren't angry about this. I mean, Colorado's mostly
a blue state at this point, and they should be
concerned and angered at this breach. And again, it doesn't
have to be malice, although accidentally I don't know. I'm
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not so sure. Again, but if it is accidental, then
you're just incompetent and shouldn't be secretary of state anyway.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well, and to steal a line from Jeff Bezos who
wrote this about the press, not only do you have
to do the job right, people have to trust that
you're doing the job right. And if you do stuff
like this or you take fourteen days to count right,
people don't trust.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
That you're doing it right.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Can by the way, Can Desantas and Jeb Bush, I
think I've said this before, just go around the country
and teach everyone to count votes quickly and competently.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
This is how you do it all right, well, our
last segment here are in case you missed it. There
are two stories. I broke some information about both of them.
One is there were exploding ballot boxes, actually I should
say specifically not exploding ballot boxes, ballot boxes set on
fire in Oregon and in Washington State. And the crazy
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thing is is that it's really not a story. It's
a very kind of minor story. And yesterday the news
broke Andy Know broke the story that these vices that
were put in these ballot boxes had free Gaza written
on it. So counties are I believe, purplish, they're not
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super blue, despite being in near Portland in Washington State.
But this is what's going on. It's barely a story.
It's I just feel like if they thought that this
was Republicans destroying ballots, it would be a national story.
But because it's not, because they know it's not or
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they think it's not, it's barely mentioned. And I don't know.
I'm kind of anti burning ballots personally.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I think because these are people who've already voted, they
cannot be informed reliably that now they're out of luck.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
This is bad.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
It should be a national story. Another thing that should
be a national story is the shooting. Thankfully, the victim
is in good condition.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
He was shot in the shoulder.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
But a man in Chicago was shot on his way
to a synagogue, right, and we haven't heard anything about it,
despite the fact that I know that police can't locate
a motive. But apparently he's said a lot of okbar
after the shooting or during the shooting.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
The Chicago police have identified him as Cidi Mohammed Abdallahi,
twenty two. He is charged with fourteen felonies, but not
with a hate crime, and certainly not getting national news coverage,
perhaps partly because there are suspicions that he is an
illegal immigrant and that that would not play well.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Right, That is it. They don't want this story before
the election, is how I see it. I actually broke
the story that he's an illegal immigrant. I have that
from a source. It has not been confirmed elsewhere. Sources
make mistakes sometimes, but I'm very very confident in my
sources information that he crossed illegally our southern border and
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he's from Africa. Again, I think that's pretty obvious. It's
a hate crime, but the police department there is not
treating it as such, I'd love it more information on
why that is. I would love to hear from somebody
there as to what makes something a hate crime and
why this doesn't qualify.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, it does seem like in the case of like,
I don't know, Jesse Smollett, we were able to come
to conclusions very quickly. Yeah, and those conclusions were not
at all true. Right, So perhaps with this information we
could come to reliable conclusions.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm Mary Catherine.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Ham and I'm Carol Markowitz.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
We're busy out here, folks, and we're not just busy
in the news. I do want to say that I
have three girls and one boy, and just from having
hung out with him this morning, the number of head
injuries is just so much higher exponentially for my boy
than the girls.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Like they're a totally different gender and everything. It's a
real difference.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I have, like a really active three year old girl,
like so athletic, adventurous, all over everything. But man, that
risk assessment is just different. It's just it's different.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, my girl climbs trees, very active. But the boys,
you know, are constantly injuring themselves. There was this thing
recently where Jonathan hate Posts did that, like, you know,
you used to be able to used to walk into
like a third grade classroom and like it would be
like a hospital waiting room and everybody would be in
casts and that doesn't happen anymore. And I was, like,
it happens in my home in my home, we're like
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looking for a package deal to the emergency room for
the youngest son. Yeah, it depends, It really depends.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I'm new to this, although as a child I was
raised with two boys, so like I understood, but now
I'm re learning all of this, and I just didn't
understand that checking pupils would be like a daily.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Thing that I was up to.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So anyway, that's that's what I've been keeping tabs on
other than the election. But let's get into the election. Yeah,
Kamala Harris gave a speech on the Ellipse in Washington
last night. To the number the estimates are some seventy
five thousand people.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'm gonna I'll allow it.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I'm not going to have a fight about crowd sizes
to I imagine a lot of DC denizens were there,
a lot of members of the sort of establishment community
here in DC. It was meant to invoke the speech
that Trump gave on January sixth to his supporters. Was
in the same spot, she had the White House behind her,
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and the idea was to communicate to everybody that she's
up for this job, and right Trump's a huge threat
and she's going to change and fix all the things
that are broken now that are happening on her watch.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
So what's your verdict, Carol.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
You know, it was so bizarre that I didn't know
who I was listening to. Kamala Harris is going to
deport illegal immigrants. That's what she said last night. I
am so confused because, of course everybody immediately posted a
montage of her saying all these terrible things about Donald
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Trump and how his you know, deporting immigrants is so wrong,
and that idea is just not one that she could
ever abide by. And now she's like, let's do it now.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
We actually have a clip of her. Let's hear the
new Kamala.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
And when I am president, we will quickly remove those
who arrive here unlawfully, prosecute the cartels, and give border
patrol the support they so desperately need. At the same time,
we must acknowledge we are a nation of immigrants, and
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I will work with Congress to pass immigration reform, including
an earned path to citizenship for hard working immigrants like
farm workers.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And our dreamers. So she's gonna she's gonna deport quickly.
She's currently an ace's going to do it. She's currently
in office.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
They also, this is the thing that gets me, they
exacerbated the problem when they decided upon taking office that
they would govern in opposition to Trump.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Governing an opposition to Trump is not a wise way
to make policy. And they shouldn't have removed a bunch
of measures he had in place that kept the border
relatively secure. They did, They paid the political price for it,
and now they say, like, it's Congress that hasn't.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Done its job. Exact girl, you were there for all
of this.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah, and they've managed to decrease the flow at the border,
you know, using an executive order. They didn't. They literally
just went back to some of the policies of the
Trump administration and illegal immigration went down. It is an
odd thing for her to be talking about in the
last few days of the campaign. I get that she
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wanted to send the message that Donald Trump is a
threat once again. I think that that's something that they
beat us over the head with. But this just it
didn't land for a lot of reasons. But you know,
I don't entirely get it.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, speaking of beating us over the head with the message.
I read a Vox piece which was pretty helpful on
running through because I remembered this. There's a lot of
there's not a small amount of empirical data and surveys
that show that telling people that Trump is a threat
is not the thing that's going to convince undecided voters
right now. If they were going to decide based upon that,
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they would have already decided, right So they're telling you
that putting it in the January sixth spot and talking
about how he's a threat and calling him a fascist
is a play for undecided voters. I don't think it is.
I don't think the evidence shows that it is. And
there's a great paragraph in the Vox piece that basically
says Trump curious voters also heard from Democrats for four
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years how this was such a problem and yet never
experienced the repression that they were told was happening. And
I was like, that does seem important.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Shocking that Vox wrote it up like that.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
So there are plenty of people, including her own major pack,
I think, wondering whether this is the correct turn to
take at this point.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I saw the major packs of the pack and the
candidate are not allowed to coordinate for people who don't know,
so the pack basically went to the news with their
concerns that the campaign was overusing the Nazi thing. And
that's how the Kamala campaign gets to hear what the
pack is just thinking.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Now we have one more clip from Kamala, and then
you're going to hear a clip that undermines Kamala Harris's
whole night. So here's Kamala Harris talking about her philosophy
of working across the aisle.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
People who disagree with me are the enemy. He wants
to put them in jail. I'll give them a seat
at the table.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
That was hilariously clipped inadvertently clipped that way, But what
she said was just so we can move from there.
She said, I do not believe that people who disagree
with me are the enemy. He wants to put them
in jail. I want to give them a seat at
the table.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
The Nazis are getting a seat at the table. What
a country.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It's so nice.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I don't believe her that she thinks people who disagree
with her are not the enemy. She's been calling him
a fascist and by extension, his supporters fascist supporters. Yep,
her allies have very enthusiastically this week called his gathering
in Madison Square Garden a Nazi rally. So that doesn't
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say to me that we're coming together. I don't feel
that we're coming together in that moment. And you know
who also didn't feel like we're coming together, President Joe Biden,
who was speaking on a zoom for Latino voter outreach,
and he referenced the joke by the roast comic Tony
Hinchcliff at the Mason Square Garden event, which a lot
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of people have made a lot of hay about, and
to be fair, several Puerto Rican influencers and performers have
jumped into the fray over this. So like I'm willing
to believe that it's a thing.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
But it was like a.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Three day news cycle, right, he references it, and then
he gives us another several day news cycle with this beauty.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Or Puerto Rico where I'm in my home state of Delaware.
They're good, decent, honorable people. The only garbage icee float
not there is his supporters. His demonizational scene is unconscionable,
and it's on American garbage Nazis.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
My mom is so proud.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Garbage Nazis with a seat at the table.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Carol, Yeah, This is an interesting moment because you wouldn't
normally have the sitting president, yeah, doing an event while
his vice president, who's running for president, is doing an
event that is much more important.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So that speaks to some lack of coordination.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
We've heard about that, some maybe a little bad blood,
and uh, look, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
The president's capable of being president, but he's certainly capable
of stepping all over her stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
It's amazing in the most precise ways possible, Like he's like,
what's her message again?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Okay, I'm going to go opposite. I'm going to do that.
We'll be right back on normally in just a minute.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
The thing is, it's clear that it's what he really believes,
and it's not a secret that they believe this. It's
so funny that there's this reaction today. You know, we
don't think that Trump supporters her garbage, but you think
they're Nazis. I'm not sure that one is necessarily worse
than the other when you're calling them names. So it's
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really crazy to me that it's being first of all,
the lie that he didn't really say what he said,
that there's an apostrophe in there. Mary Catherine is there
an apostrophe in there?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah? So theory.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
The theory is that he meant when he ended that
sentence to refer to only Tony Hinchcliffe's garbage, right, the
garbage belonged to Tony Hinchcliff. There was an apostrophe there, Yeah,
I mean he ends the sentence pretty clearly.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
This is like an emphatic thing he's saying.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
As you note Ockham's razor here, Carol, people have been
expressing that they believe Trump supporters are trash for nine years.
In fact, one of the things that distinguished me in
my job at CNN when I was there is that
I was not.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
A Trump supporter.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
In fact, I was often critical, but I was defensive
of his supporters, and I could understand how they were
motivated to vote for him. I was a rare one
because the rest of them were like, no, their motivations
are bad, and they are bad.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Right, So why are we acting surprised now?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Right? It's been going on for so long, and obviously
Hillary Clinton had what was her moment during her race
against Donald Trump where she said that his supporters were
basket of deplorables, and that really hurt her. I think
that she was really saying that half the country basically
were this basket of deplorables. And I think this is
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so much worse. The only thing that Kamala Harris has
is to say, i'm you know, this guy's not running.
I am. But she's been very clear that she is
supportive of Biden and his policies, and she's covered up
the fact that he was unwell for a long time.
(11:31):
It's kind of hard for her now to parse her
way out of this and say I'm not part of this.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
This is the pickle they keep getting themselves in, which
is that if you want to continue the charad that
he charad, I'm very sophisticated, that he is the president
right and that he's functioning, you have to let him talk.
Sometimes when they let him talk, he says things that
the campaign doesn't want him to say, and then they
have to distance themselves themselves from him. Right now, they
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don't even know what the correct lie is because Josh Shapiro,
being a smart politician, was like, he shouldn't have said that.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
That's a.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
And then the White House is like, no, no, no, he
didn't say that. And Harris, the epitome of a leader
doesn't know which position to take.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Right, which lie is the one?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
She's in a pickle, she really is.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
The way, is it so much to ask to hold
the President of the United States to the same standard
as you hold a roast comic.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
You think, right, yeah, because I'm willing to.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Believe that the roast comic bad joke might make some
people mad, and you shouldn't have done that unforced error.
And I'll say that, right, this seems like at least
as big a deal.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
But I'm being told it's not right.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Somehow, it's not as big a deal. Randy Barnett had
this great tweet if he said, unlike Tony Hinchcliff, Joe
Biden is not on the ballot because Tony Hinchcliff, I
didn't even know the guy's name. I had to like
look up the Rose Comics name.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
So it's it is wild. We have one little clip more.
I want to play Scott Jennings Good Soldier over and
see where he says, like, hey, I think maybe you
guys do think we're garbage, but the CNN panels not
having it.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
You use people where they are best. You put Obama
in a big arena, you put Michelle in a big arena,
and you put Joe Biden in front of a bunch
of union people do in retail politics.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
You could make the argument that they would be fine
if Joe Biden wasn't anywhere near a book between now
and next two today.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Let me just accept the most charitable framing of this,
which you just gave. Why is he sitting in front
of a laptop at the exact same moment Kamala Harris
is out on his backyard trying to give the closing
argument to her campaign. What in the world is he doing.
I don't accept your framing of it personally because I
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actually do believe he Harris, the Democratic Party and most
of their campaign. I do believe that half the country
is garbage. They've also said people who go to Trump
rallies are Nazis, and so it's pretty apparent the disdain
with which they hold half of the country. Speech tonight,
(14:17):
but as a tactical matter today, but you don't in
the world is Joe Biden giving remarks at the same.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I'll give you that. I'll give you that his face
in the beginning, that the camera face.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Like I love.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
You can't just say that, it's like I can't just
say that y'all have spent the last three days that
all of these people not since this is this is
not even controversial, And I think I'm very reactive to gaslighting,
and so I I do put large emphasis on things
that might not have as large an emphasis if you
(14:55):
didn't lie to my face about what the president is
saying in that clip, if you didn't release a cleaned
up transcript where you add an apostrophe so it's not
as egregious, if you aren't a person in the press
who has run with the bloodbath comments and totally taken
those out of context.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, to then tell me this is out of context,
right right?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
And you know, when we ran that clip of Harris
and it sounds like she's saying something she's not, you
immediately clarified so that our listeners know the full story.
We could have left it like that. We could have
left it like she said, you know that she wants
to jail her opponents or whatever. We could have let
people believe that. But it's important to tell the truth,
and it's important to not misinform your viewers and listeners.
(15:40):
I think that's such a big deal that gets kind
of glossed over at these televised insane asylums.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I woant to note one more quick stat because like,
who knows what's happening in this race. But I do
think if you're running to save democracy, as Kamala Harris does.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
That you should work really, really hard.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
And I just want to give you the numbers from
Axios forty three cities visited in twenty twenty four for
the Democratic candidate, and I guess that's a split workload
with Biden. Anyway, If we're doing all of twenty twenty
four fifty seven for Trump and these numbers are on par,
this is a sin that number forty three is on
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par with Joe Biden's twenty twenty number in the heart
of COVID forty two cities he visited.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
That's inexcusable. Why aren't you more places than that?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Right? It's interesting because during that campaign, and I've been
on campaigns, you know, it's so busy and hectic and
you don't sleep, and it's NonStop. During that campaign, I said,
if Joe Biden wins, this might just completely change the
way people campaign. If you can do it from a basement,
then why wouldn't you And really remains to be seen
(16:54):
what happens on Tuesday if she pulls this out. I
don't see why any candidate go forward and work the
kind of work that Donald Trump is doing. I think
that they would say it's a new way of campaigning now,
and we don't have to visit these places, so we'll
see what happens on.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
My contrast, By the way, Obama in two thousand and
eight ninety six cities and McCain was on par with him. Meanwhile,
they were telling us that he was exhausted, just like
they're making.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
That argument about Trump.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
A couple one update from the State of Virginia on
election week shenanigans. Remember, the State of Virginia was sued
by the Department of Justice over a two thousand and
six law that allowed it to cull certain self designated
non citizens from its voter roles. So if a non
citizen checked a box at the DMV on a form
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that indicated they were a non citizen, and they were
accidentally on the voter rolls, then that would be cleaned.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Up right, the saintest plan in the world.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
And it also, by the way, if you're concerned about
it catching citizens in there, it has three backstop including
a provisional ballot that you can do on the day
of voting. This has been enforced since two thousand and
six by Democrats and Republicans. It was passed and signed
under Tim Kaine, current Democratic Senators governorship. The DOJ in
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writing at the time, said it did not violate federal law,
but they're after them, so this goes through the courts quickly.
Supreme Court just ruled that, in fact, Virginia can take
the voters they have found that are indicated by those
people that they are not citizens off of the voter roles.
I can't believe they're fighting for this in the open.
(18:37):
I feel like it's a bad message.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
And three Supreme Court justices opposed this, so what was
their thinking on it? I mean, I haven't read the
decision yet, but it's it's crazy to me that three
Supreme Court justices are like, no, you can't remove people
who are here illegally from your voter roles. Why not?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Well, and I understand the thing that they're claiming it
violates is this sort of ninety day timeout where people aren't.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Purged from voter roles.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
But these are very specific numbers, and because it's not
a systematic look at the voter rolls, then you can
make very specific decisions which don't endanger a lot of people. So, like,
I understand the argument on the other side, I just
don't think this meets it at all.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
It just seems like sane things that they're doing.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yeah, the sane state of Virginia is doing the right
thing here.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
This is normally We'll be back after this message. Another
story Shenanigan's out in Colorado. The Secretary of State of
Colorado accidentally released publicly.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Accidentally.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
The passwords for the voting systems.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Right this by the way, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
No, I was gonna say, it's either malice or incompetence.
Either way, she has to be fired. I don't see
how they're there's a third option here.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Well, she's the department says the Colorida Department. State is
aware that a spreadsheet located on the department's website and
properly included a hidden tab including partial passwords to certain components.
There's all this minimizing of Colorado voting systems. This does
not pose an immediate security threat to Colorado's elections, nor
will it impact how ballots are counted. This is the
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Colorado secretary of state, by the way, who tried to
take Trump off the ballots.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Just in case you're interested in her, agree her.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Positions here, right, it's yeah. Again, I don't understand how
she keeps her job here, But and I don't understand
why Democrats aren't angry about this. I mean, Colorado's mostly
a blue state at this point, and they should be
concerned and angered at this breach. And again, it doesn't
have to be malice, although accidentally I don't know. I'm
(20:51):
not so sure. Again, but if it is accidental, then
you're just incompetent and shouldn't be secretary of state anyway.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well, and to steal a line from Jeff Bezos who
wrote this about the press, not only do you have
to do the job right, people have to trust that
you're doing the job right. And if you do stuff
like this or you take fourteen days to count right,
people don't trust.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
That you're doing it right.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Can by the way, Can Desantas and Jeb Bush, I
think I've said this before, just go around the country
and teach everyone to count votes quickly and competently.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
This is how you do it all right, well, our
last segment here are in case you missed it. There
are two stories. I broke some information about both of them.
One is there were exploding ballot boxes, actually I should
say specifically not exploding ballot boxes, ballot boxes set on
fire in Oregon and in Washington State. And the crazy
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thing is is that it's really not a story. It's
a very kind of minor story. And yesterday the news
broke Andy Know broke the story that these vices that
were put in these ballot boxes had free Gaza written
on it. So counties are I believe, purplish, they're not
(22:08):
super blue, despite being in near Portland in Washington State.
But this is what's going on. It's barely a story.
It's I just feel like if they thought that this
was Republicans destroying ballots, it would be a national story.
But because it's not, because they know it's not or
(22:29):
they think it's not, it's barely mentioned. And I don't know.
I'm kind of anti burning ballots personally.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I think because these are people who've already voted, they
cannot be informed reliably that now they're out of luck.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
This is bad.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
It should be a national story. Another thing that should
be a national story is the shooting. Thankfully, the victim
is in good condition.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
He was shot in the shoulder.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
But a man in Chicago was shot on his way
to a synagogue, right, and we haven't heard anything about it,
despite the fact that I know that police can't locate
a motive. But apparently he's said a lot of okbar
after the shooting or during the shooting.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
The Chicago police have identified him as Cidi Mohammed Abdallahi,
twenty two. He is charged with fourteen felonies, but not
with a hate crime, and certainly not getting national news coverage,
perhaps partly because there are suspicions that he is an
illegal immigrant and that that would not play well.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Right, That is it. They don't want this story before
the election, is how I see it. I actually broke
the story that he's an illegal immigrant. I have that
from a source. It has not been confirmed elsewhere. Sources
make mistakes sometimes, but I'm very very confident in my
sources information that he crossed illegally our southern border and
(23:52):
he's from Africa. Again, I think that's pretty obvious. It's
a hate crime, but the police department there is not
treating it as such, I'd love it more information on
why that is. I would love to hear from somebody
there as to what makes something a hate crime and
why this doesn't qualify.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, it does seem like in the case of like,
I don't know, Jesse Smollett, we were able to come
to conclusions very quickly. Yeah, and those conclusions were not
at all true. Right, So perhaps with this information we
could come to reliable conclusions.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
That would be nice. Yes, thanks for joining us on normally.
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