August 26, 2025 • 28 mins
Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz bring their signature wit to a lively mix of culture and politics. They kick things diving into Trump’s executive order on cashless bail, the Democrats’ ongoing messaging struggles, and the controversies swirling around Virginia’s school policies. Plus, they break down Hollywood’s summer box office slump and what shifting demographics could mean for America’s political future. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Okay, guys, we are back on normally. The show What
Normalis takes for windsay she just gets.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Weird in Mary Captain him, and I'm Karl Marco Riz.
How was your weekend, Mary Captain?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
It was good. I did a quick up and back
to New York City and I saw two matches at
the US Open, which I thought before wonderful. Tennis is awesome.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah, I'm not a huge tennis person, but I feel
like I have to follow it a little bit living
in South Florida because everyone here is like full on
obsessed with it. I don't know if you saw claim
Buck had this whole thing back and forth that that
bus could hit the tennis ball. I think I was
one hundred miles broad. He came close, though, like on
his initial thing, and he's like, I feel like, if
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I got trained for this, I could totally do it.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I rooted for him. I believe that he could train
up to it because he got pretty close he did. Yeah,
the serves I was seeing yesterday were like one hundred
and fourteen miles an hour. Tennis is something that I
feel like I sho take up and take into my
old age. I'm gonna work on that there's I know,
pickleball is very, very popular. It's almost triggering my oppositional
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defiance disorder, and I don't want to be into it. Interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I don't know if you know, but the pickleball and
the tennis communities like they fight to the death, like
they hate each other, and even though there's some crossover,
but they.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Like court space exactly. Perhaps I should do both and
mediate this conflict interest in both communities or neither. But yeah,
I'll keep you posting. Let us know.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
So as we are recording this, President Trump is expected
to sign an executive order ending cashless bail by threatening
to revoke federal funding for jurisdictions across the country that
have this cashless fail. It's interesting because I've seen a
few different liberals on X commenting things like, shouldn't conservatives
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not want the federal government used in this? Well, yeah,
but that's a battle you waged and I lost. Congratulations.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, yeah, it really. There is this thing where they
demand like that conservatives just unilaterally disarm after they have
escalated four him sometimes and sometimes I do argue against it.
Sometimes I say that's not the right thing to do.
We don't want to ratchet this up, But it's really
hard to to make that argument exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Trump is flexing the power that you wanted presidents to have.
You won, look at you go.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah. Well, these things specifically about Trump that cracks me
up in people's response to him is that the same
people now who cry fascism at anything at the drop
of a hat wanted him to be a fascist in
twenty twenty, much harder, much than he was willing to
be right, and they're just lock us down, put us
in our host forever.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah, with they you know, with the vaccine from far away,
like anything.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, just as heavy handed as possible. And in this
case sometimes I disagree with him, but at least he's
heavy handed in the attempt to target people who are breaking.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Up crime, right, people want to like, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
People are making life worse for others protecting citizens against
violent crime because in the cashlest bail situation, people get
out of jail very quickly, reoffend very quickly because there's
the message that they're not going to pay a price
for this. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And I can't take Democrats serious with this outrage thing.
Andrew Wilcow posted a picture from New York from the
subway station in New York City where there are National
Guards troops in the subway stations because Governor Kathy Hochel
called them up because they were having such problems with crime.
Nobody's saying, oh, she's a fascist or this is the
second coming of Hitler. They're just saying, like, oh, she's
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trying to fight crime. That's a good thing, because that's
a good thing. Right.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
No, of course it's a good if you're a Democrat. Right. JB.
Prisker had a piece, I believe this weekend in the
New York Times that said, you know, Trump's cracked down
on crime will just create more crime. Yeah, And I'm like, look,
I am willing to listen to the argument that there
are very serious trade offs for having a heavy law
enforcement or military presence in your town for an extended
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period of time. Noted civil libertarian understand you can't make
the argument that it will make crime worse. In the
week that it made zero murders right the Washington d C. Yeah,
but that's I think zero murders is good. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I feel like we need to find somebody who doesn't
think zero murders is good and ask them why they
think that. But Democrats just refuse to answer that, and
they just keep screaming fascist at us. And so the
thing with this cash list bail is, and you know,
we've talked about this a lot on the show, but
I used to be a outspoken proponent of that bail
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was too high. You'd read stories and somebody would be
arrested for shoplifting and the bail would be twenty thousand
dollars and true story, and I would say, you know,
twenty thousand could be twenty million.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
For certain somebody else. It doesn't. Actually, it's crazy. It should.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
It should line up with whether they're a flight risk.
So Democrats took this sane opinion of let's reduce bail
and said how about no bail? And then nobody came back,
A fewer people started coming back to their court dates.
Crime went up because the people would reoffend as soon
as they exited, you know, the jail. And it didn't work.
It didn't work, And Democrats now need to face it
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that they went too far with an idea that someone
like me would have agreed with. Now I can't agree
with anything that you guys say.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
This is like they always know because they've they've lost
me to some extent on criminal justice reform because I
was very I am very much and I think still
in the group of people that's in the Van Jones
Trump Alliance of the First Steps Act or something right
that does give non violent offenders a way to come back,
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that burdens more non violent offenders, that kind of thing,
just so that you don't have people who are in
the grinder for their entire lives because they did one
nonviolent thing. I think that's good, right, But they go
so far and then they demonize law enforcement, all law enforcement,
and they say they should defund all of law enforcement, right,
and then you watch twenty twenty summer and you go, no, right,
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I will not be standing with you guys on this
issue because you can't keep it together exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
There's so much of that, and they step all over
their own cause. I mean, the thing is that the
left controls the Democrats. They are just afraid of their left.
They feel like they have to cater to them, and
you have to keep ratcheting up the rhetoric and the
policies to go with it, which is why you have
When the defund police things started and all these Democrats
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were like, we don't really mean defund police, and all
their leftist activists would post, no, we literally need to
fund the police.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
So that's where we are. We have more on this
actually when we come back, because there's a group of
sane Democrats who have a group of words that they
would not like Democrats to say, and it aligns with
this idea, So we'll have more on that when we
come back on normally. All right, we are back on
normally with a semi regular segment, which is what the
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heck is going on with Democrats, And as I alluded to,
there's there's some signs of life with the sane people
that I'm going to get to first and then we
can get to the insane people. Third Way, which is
sort of a centristy moderate Democrat group often demonized by
the left in the Democratic Party, there's a memo circulating
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with blacklisted words that Democrat candidates should not use. Do
you want to hear them? Here are the terms privilege,
violence as an environmental violence, dialoguing, triggering, dialoguing, other ring, microaggression,
holding space. That's a good one, yeah, Body shaming, subverting norms,
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systems of oppressure, and cultural appropriation. Over to the window
existential threat to climate, democracy, economy, radical transparency, stakeholders, unhoused,
food insecurity, housing insecurity, Yeah, person who ever gonted birthing,
person cys gender dead, naming, heteronormous. It goes on and
on and on. I actually don't know what they're gonna
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say now.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, I posted that on X, I said, but this
is literally their whole vocabulary. I literally don't know what
else they can say. This list is amazing because every
one of those phrases is vaguely embarrassing. And I understand
why Democrats are newly embarrassed by this, But you've been
talking like this for a really long time, and I
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don't know. Heteronormative is actually a great one to talk
about because I remember, and this is going back I
don't even know. This is early two thousands, mid two thousands,
where Jada Pinkett Smith gave a speech on a college
campus and this is like what I call my first
moment of realizing something was shifting. And she gave us
each and she talked about people getting married and having
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kids and that kind of thing, and her speech was
criticized for being heteronormative. The first time I ever heard
that term and this is a long time ago. This is,
you know, decades ago now, and so to work these
words out of their vocabulary now is going to be tough.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, it is really tough. And there is this idea.
There's a bit of pushback on this from pundits of
the left who say, or representatives of left who say, well, now,
you're just playing this game where anyone who's coded left,
an elected Democrat or someone campaigning as a Democrat has
to answer for these weird words that they don't really use.
And I'm like, are you kidding me? You guys have
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been using these words right on the rest of us
to impose whatever insanity you want for many, many years.
This is not only an activist problem. You are led
around by your activists, and every party has some of
that to some extent. But wow, to pretend that this
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is like a new standard that you're placing on right
democratic candidates that's coming from nowhere. No, no, no. As someone
pointed out, the first page of the Democratic Party platform
at the DNC was a land acknowledgement. The one page
one those are your people.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
That's just the case. And you know, I hear all
the time that when you go to college tours. They
all start with land acknowledgments, and it's like, this is
who you're listening to, Like, doofye eighteen year olds who
came up with stuff like this and now it's part
of your party, you know, party platform, party ideas, and
you know, I would just say one of the phrases
not on the list, but I always like to throw
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back at them. Sit in your discomfort with these phrases.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Do the work.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, the work right, I'm not gonna I'm not going
to explain things to you.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Good luck to them. I do think this is Yeah,
it's gonna be tricky because they have learned. This goes
back to the problem of like they need their own
Joe Rogan again, Joe Rogan is a liberal, but they
think they need their own Joe Rogan. The thing they're
missing is freedom to speak. They don't feel that they
feel that they must use these words because they will
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be absolutely crucified for not using them, and so to
get away from them feels like the opposite of being
a good Democrat. But they have to get on the
other side of this vibe shift or they are in trouble.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, what's going on in Virginia. Let's tell us about this.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Oh something something good, Carol, This one's crazy. Actually I
checked this like four times to make sure it wasn't
photoshopped or something. Indeed it was not. So the Arlington
Public Schools had a school board meeting. Arlington Public Schools,
along with several other Northern Virginia school districts, have had
all sorts of scandals in the past several months. The
one in Arlington in particular is that the gender bathroom
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policies allowed a fifty something child sex offender to go
into a women's facility in a local high school and
expose himself. Does that bad to minors? Yeah? And so
a bunch of parents are like, hey, what are you
doing about this? And Nick Monok, the local reporter, who
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must be commended for staying on these stories, is like, hey,
what are you guys going to do about this? And
the Arly New Public Schools is basically like nothing. We think.
We think our policy is good and it's on the
opposite side of Trump, so we're fine to be good. Yeah. Yeah.
So there's a gathering at the school board meeting and
wins Seers, who is the Republican running for governor.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Here lieutenant governor.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Current lieutenant governor shows up to speak at this meeting
because Abigail Spanberger, the allegedly normy Democrat running for governor,
can't muster any statements on any of the great giant
controversies happening northern Virginia schools, especially on these gender policies,
because she would have to get on the right side
of the left and that will make her not appealing
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to many in Virginia. So when some sears shows up
to speak at this meeting, she is notably an African American.
She is she would be the first female black governor
of the state of Virginia. She's a Marine, she's an immigrant,
she has a great life story. She's speaking inside outside
a gathering of as is often the case, boomer Libs
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in Arlington very very affluent.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
You see them everywhere.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
You see them, ever, and one of them is carrying
a sign that says this, Hey, Winsome, if trans can't
share your bathroom, then blacks can't share my water fountain.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
She really thought that was a wind when she came
up with that sign. She's like, I got her.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I I was joking, Like can you imagine, like the
husband and the family or friends who were like, girl,
you can't, I can't leave with that. And then they
just you know, they got steamrolled by her. Right, And as.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I say what I want, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Exactly, And as there's a there's a guy, Ben Tribbett
who's a trustworthy, smart Democrat who works specifically in Virginia
politics and knows a lot about their activist base. He
pegged that she was from this door knocking activist far
left group, and he said, look, like, wake up to
the Karen problem that we do have. Like there's a
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lot of people who have gone who have gone around
the bend. Yeah, And he's like, the problem isn't necessarily
that there was one person who used this sign. The
problem is that no one in that group of Arlington
Democrats could say, no, you can't do this.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
This does not speak for us, right, that's crazy. Meanwhile,
Mark Broklowski, vice chair of the Virginia Democrats, he thinks
the sign might be the fault of the black lady.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Obviously, the lady embracing Jim Crow in public.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
That'sh No, not her, that's not her fault.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
No, it's not her fault.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
He posted what happened in Arlington wasn't just about a meeting.
It was about the climate when some seers is creating
one where contempts currency, and neighbors are turning against each other.
How dare she with her It's amazing contempt is currency
and neighbors turning against each other, telling herself not to
use the white people found.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, she did show up, you know, with her skin
in Arlington. Right, one would think that that would go okay,
but no, she disagrees with them. And what happens is
if you are a minority or a woman or an
lgbt Q person who disagrees with the left on any
given issue, you are subject to basically just whatever they
want to say to you. Yeah, and this one was
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WHOA And I wonder, Look, this is a race that
is going to be a little a bit of an
uphill battle for wins Sears and Spamberger by not saying
anything about these issues. She did denounce the Sign, that's
the one thing she's been specific about. Yeah, she did
come out and denounce the Sign. She's still silent on
all these other controversies, and she is giving winsome seers
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the exact same dynamic that made Youngkin governor. She is
handing it right to her, as are the public school
which can't get seen.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, I mean I hope that the voters do the
right thing here and realize how bad of a governor
she would be. But yeah, I like her giving that
preview and kind of ducking all these issues that are
important to parents. Meanwhile, in my home of hometown of
New York City, Zora, Mom, Donnie was like at a
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street fair and somebody asked him if he wanted to
bench press, and he said yes. Now, let me tell
you if I were running for mayor and I was
at a street fair and somebody asked me if I
wanted a bench press, I would know that I don't
know how to bench press.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah, how come he didn't know that?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Like, what is it that happened here? He attempted to
bench press and it failed completely? The guy holding the
bench press had to kind of pull it up for him.
What went wrong?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Pretty confused by this because there's not much on the bar.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
So Frey also in like like he's clearly wasn't there
for this, Like it was just you know, he wanted
to seem spontaneous and cool, and that did not work out.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah, I think this is just straight up Hubris. Yeah,
I think he he he's very He's quite capable as
a campaigner. He clearly has charisma. He might think he
can just do anything. Yeah, and he gets on this
bench at like whatever this men's Day was. It was
some sort of male focused celebration. He doesn't even allowed.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I didn't realize that was permitted.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, his form is bad poor. Yeah, his spotter has
to do most of the work for him. There's not
much on the bar for the uninitiated. The bar is
forty five pounds. It looks like there's a total of
a little over one hundred, like one thirty one thirty
five on this on him total. Yeah, that's not It's
not a lot for a thirty something man. And he
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struggles with it. And I just think if you're running
for something, if you're a public figure, you got to know,
beyond a shadow of a doubt, what you're capable of.
You put yourself in that position. Also, in this case,
there's a standing narrative that men of the Democratic Party
are affet are liberal? Are we not do things like
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lift weights? So if that's the narrative, you do everything
you can not to play into it and he did
the exact opposite.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, it was kind of embarrassing to watch, but I
think you got.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
A lot of attention too. I was like x CEOs
wrote it up.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
They were like, yeah, I think Hubris is the correct.
Really thing there, as famous New York or Biggie Small said,
never get high on your own supply, and I think
that's exactly what Zorn I'm Donie has done here.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, it's and here's the thing about both the racist
sign in Arlington or this event. The truth is that
campaigns change in these weird symbolic moments. That doesn't mean
that either one of these Democrats isn't going to win, right,
they can still win. Yeah, these are moments that stick
in people's minds. They go, oh wait, I thought that
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guy was like a dude's dude. I thought he was
somebody we could mix it up with. He seemed like that. Now,
by the way, he was called Mom's scrawny. To his credit,
put up a lot of weight or put up the
same amount of wait, plenty of times with no help.
Someone else also noted, and I want to be bipartisan
and fair, that Jamal Bowman that's his name, right, The
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guy who was primaried out that he can bench four
o five. So I just want to point it out there.
I want to be fair, good for him, good for her.
He now he's not a congressman. That's why he got
immediately stronger after he was not a Democratic congressman anymore.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Anyway, that's what a herd.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I could see that, you know, like the Democrats being like, hey,
we have somebody who knows how to bench press right now,
we got.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
To get this how it does. Yeah, but yeah, I
think it's I don't want to be unfair to people who,
you know, not everybody benches, not everybody lifts. No, but
know your limits before you for your limits yourself in
that position.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Absolutely. We'll be right back with stories you may have
missed from this wild weekend. Welcome back on normally. And
I have to start this one off because I think
that this is just sort of interesting to me that
this did not hit at all. Andrew Kaczynski he posts
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under a k file. He's a CNN senior politics reporter.
He's known for digging up stories like really like things
people forgot or didn't know, and he posted over the
weekend that Julane Maxwell was an honored guest at prestigious
Clinton event in twenty thirteen, years after abuse allegation against
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her were publicly known. Information we reviewed showed her on
a list recommended for free access by either Bill or
Hillary Clinton, per a source familiar. The weird thing about
this is it did not resonate at all. He got
four hundred and sixteen retweets on that, and I just
feel like that's nothing. Obviously, the left doesn't want to
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highlight this because they're trying to tie Epstein to Donald Trump,
But a lot of the Epstein obsessed people on the
right didn't talk about this at all either. Now that
might be because Donald Trump said, we're not talking about
this anymore, or my own personal conspiracy theory, because we're
in a world of conspiracy theories with this Jeffrey Epstein.
Thing altogether is that a lot of the people that
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incessantly talk about Epstein on the right are just trying
to hurt Trump with it. Also, So yeah, I think
take that with your grain of self. But that's my take.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Well, and I think there's a third take, which is
that in any contest between Trump's base and Trump, when
the wins, Trump is going to win. Yeah, you can
take it to the bank like that. That is the
lesson that everyone must learn. And like, sometimes I'm not
gonna like it, and sometimes I am gonna like it,
but gonna be the victor when it comes to a
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break between him and his base. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Another story from this weekend that I felt was a
little undercovered. Summer box office for Hollywood won't reach four billion,
which is what they thought it would. It hit about
three point five, which is higher than I would expect honestly,
because I think all of these films are terrible, and
I just I never go to the movies. Nothing looks
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even remotely good to me. But some of the things
that they talked about being highly grossing are Lelo and Stitch,
Jurassic World Rebirth, How to Train a Dragon another one,
Superman again. Again, these are all remakes or familiar things,
nothing new. I don't know. Do you watch movies.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I I do not go to the movie theater often.
I would like to see Naked Gun, which is another remake,
but I have heard good things about it, and I
would like to see Naked Gun in the theater because
it's good to support comedies in the theater because I
want them to make more comedies, and I've heard it's
quite good. So, but it's always like best laid plans,
you know, like me getting out to a movie theater
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is not easy, right, And here's the thing. My husband
used to talk about this all during the pandemic. Once
you have broken people's habits, the chances that they will
revive them the same way that they had them before
are very low. So with meeting it with going to church.
Another bad one that went by the wayside during the pandemic.
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Going to theaters. The idea of taking our full family
to a theater is expensive, tough. It could be fun,
but it also could be a total dud depending on
what the movie does. So when I'm presented with the
choice of theater versus my home, and I am very
often because just allow me to stream it at home,
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I'm gonna stick around the house, right.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I can't even now that you mention it, and my
kids are older by fifteen, twelve and nine, I don't
think we've been to a movie the five of us,
I mean definitely not since the pandemic twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Is who they need to be reaching and my families
who they need to be reaching and By the way,
they haven't figured out how to advertise to me. Instagram
ads can be served to me for any other thing.
Do I hear about children's movies? No? Never.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I didn't even know Lilan Stitch came out neither.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
So I don't know how the big studios are missing
how to advertise to people like me, and they should
work on that.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Speaking of things that we haven't recovered from you from
the pandemic, the New York Times as we're going to
as we're airing this, just published something that they're worried
that all the people that left blue states now means
the Democrats will have a harder time winning and the
next census, the Democrats are going to suffer some losses. Yeah,
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I don't feel bad for you at all.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Now. This is I remember I used to get very
frustrated because there wasn't an immediate political backlash for COVID policies,
and I was like, are people just going to memory
hole this? Are they not going to be mad about it?
And there was a little in Virginia where Yunkin was elected,
and then I think a larger backlash came in twenty
twenty four, and it came in people willing to vote
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for Trump and moving away from the Democratic Party for
all of the insanity that they had served up from
twenty twenty to twenty twenty four. And this is like
the real deal. This one is you drove a bunch
of people out of your states with these horrible dare
I say, sometimes fascist and authoritarian policies. They left, they
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ain't coming back, and in many places like Florida, Georgia,
they end up being converted to centrist or right leaning
people right keep those states red and then those red
states get more electoral college votes and get more representation
and Congress.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Or they just drove out the people who were voting
Republican but still represented numbers for your electoral college vote.
They didn't consider that, you know. I both Andrew Cuomo
and Kathy Hokeel made comments like if you don't like it,
moved to Florida, and then a bunch of us did,
and now they may lose electoral votes because of that,
Like you know, you're bad.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Meanwhile, by the way, I just want to note this
because I forgot to note it in the first segment
or in our second second. But mom Donnie is suggesting
getting rid of misdemeanor charges entirely. So get ready, I
guess for another flood of thanks to Florida, because I
feel like this isn't gonna go well, yeah, the city.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
It's pretty bad. One of the things that The New
York Times found in this thing Nick Corrassani Ti, who
posted this, he does politics voting democracy reporter for the
New York Times. He said that if a Democratic in
twenty thirty to a Democratic presidential candidate who wins Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin,
and Nevada still loses the presidency, I mean, whoopsie, really,
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you know, maybe you should have thought of this as
I can let you know from my new home of Florida.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah, I mean, this is the blue Wall gone right.
The blue Wall has been weakened because Trump was able
to make inroads places that other Republicans were not Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin.
And this is the you know, just that on steroids,
because he did it through hard work and through appealing
to these folks, and then the Democrats helped him by
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sending a bunch of folks to the South, to otherwise
red states, and the past of the presidency is going
to get much much harder for Democrats in the future.
And that's what a lot of this redistricting screaming is about, right.
It is the death throes of people who are looking
down the barrel at the twenty thirty census that's going
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to be very bad for them.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
If only someone would have said something during the pandemic
that all these things we're doing are going to have percussions,
Mary Catherine, why didn't anybody tell them? I know, if
only we had spoken out. Well, thank you for joining
us on Normally Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Weird in Mary Captain him, and I'm Karl Marco Riz.
How was your weekend, Mary Captain?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
It was good. I did a quick up and back
to New York City and I saw two matches at
the US Open, which I thought before wonderful. Tennis is awesome.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah, I'm not a huge tennis person, but I feel
like I have to follow it a little bit living
in South Florida because everyone here is like full on
obsessed with it. I don't know if you saw claim
Buck had this whole thing back and forth that that
bus could hit the tennis ball. I think I was
one hundred miles broad. He came close, though, like on
his initial thing, and he's like, I feel like, if
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I got trained for this, I could totally do it.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I rooted for him. I believe that he could train
up to it because he got pretty close he did. Yeah,
the serves I was seeing yesterday were like one hundred
and fourteen miles an hour. Tennis is something that I
feel like I sho take up and take into my
old age. I'm gonna work on that there's I know,
pickleball is very, very popular. It's almost triggering my oppositional
(01:11):
defiance disorder, and I don't want to be into it. Interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I don't know if you know, but the pickleball and
the tennis communities like they fight to the death, like
they hate each other, and even though there's some crossover,
but they.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Like court space exactly. Perhaps I should do both and
mediate this conflict interest in both communities or neither. But yeah,
I'll keep you posting. Let us know.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
So as we are recording this, President Trump is expected
to sign an executive order ending cashless bail by threatening
to revoke federal funding for jurisdictions across the country that
have this cashless fail. It's interesting because I've seen a
few different liberals on X commenting things like, shouldn't conservatives
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not want the federal government used in this? Well, yeah,
but that's a battle you waged and I lost. Congratulations.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, yeah, it really. There is this thing where they
demand like that conservatives just unilaterally disarm after they have
escalated four him sometimes and sometimes I do argue against it.
Sometimes I say that's not the right thing to do.
We don't want to ratchet this up, But it's really
hard to to make that argument exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Trump is flexing the power that you wanted presidents to have.
You won, look at you go.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah. Well, these things specifically about Trump that cracks me
up in people's response to him is that the same
people now who cry fascism at anything at the drop
of a hat wanted him to be a fascist in
twenty twenty, much harder, much than he was willing to
be right, and they're just lock us down, put us
in our host forever.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah, with they you know, with the vaccine from far away,
like anything.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, just as heavy handed as possible. And in this
case sometimes I disagree with him, but at least he's
heavy handed in the attempt to target people who are breaking.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Up crime, right, people want to like, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
People are making life worse for others protecting citizens against
violent crime because in the cashlest bail situation, people get
out of jail very quickly, reoffend very quickly because there's
the message that they're not going to pay a price
for this. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And I can't take Democrats serious with this outrage thing.
Andrew Wilcow posted a picture from New York from the
subway station in New York City where there are National
Guards troops in the subway stations because Governor Kathy Hochel
called them up because they were having such problems with crime.
Nobody's saying, oh, she's a fascist or this is the
second coming of Hitler. They're just saying, like, oh, she's
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trying to fight crime. That's a good thing, because that's
a good thing. Right.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
No, of course it's a good if you're a Democrat. Right. JB.
Prisker had a piece, I believe this weekend in the
New York Times that said, you know, Trump's cracked down
on crime will just create more crime. Yeah, And I'm like, look,
I am willing to listen to the argument that there
are very serious trade offs for having a heavy law
enforcement or military presence in your town for an extended
(04:15):
period of time. Noted civil libertarian understand you can't make
the argument that it will make crime worse. In the
week that it made zero murders right the Washington d C. Yeah,
but that's I think zero murders is good. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I feel like we need to find somebody who doesn't
think zero murders is good and ask them why they
think that. But Democrats just refuse to answer that, and
they just keep screaming fascist at us. And so the
thing with this cash list bail is, and you know,
we've talked about this a lot on the show, but
I used to be a outspoken proponent of that bail
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was too high. You'd read stories and somebody would be
arrested for shoplifting and the bail would be twenty thousand
dollars and true story, and I would say, you know,
twenty thousand could be twenty million.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
For certain somebody else. It doesn't. Actually, it's crazy. It should.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
It should line up with whether they're a flight risk.
So Democrats took this sane opinion of let's reduce bail
and said how about no bail? And then nobody came back,
A fewer people started coming back to their court dates.
Crime went up because the people would reoffend as soon
as they exited, you know, the jail. And it didn't work.
It didn't work, And Democrats now need to face it
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that they went too far with an idea that someone
like me would have agreed with. Now I can't agree
with anything that you guys say.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
This is like they always know because they've they've lost
me to some extent on criminal justice reform because I
was very I am very much and I think still
in the group of people that's in the Van Jones
Trump Alliance of the First Steps Act or something right
that does give non violent offenders a way to come back,
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that burdens more non violent offenders, that kind of thing,
just so that you don't have people who are in
the grinder for their entire lives because they did one
nonviolent thing. I think that's good, right, But they go
so far and then they demonize law enforcement, all law enforcement,
and they say they should defund all of law enforcement, right,
and then you watch twenty twenty summer and you go, no, right,
(06:18):
I will not be standing with you guys on this
issue because you can't keep it together exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
There's so much of that, and they step all over
their own cause. I mean, the thing is that the
left controls the Democrats. They are just afraid of their left.
They feel like they have to cater to them, and
you have to keep ratcheting up the rhetoric and the
policies to go with it, which is why you have
When the defund police things started and all these Democrats
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were like, we don't really mean defund police, and all
their leftist activists would post, no, we literally need to
fund the police.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
So that's where we are. We have more on this
actually when we come back, because there's a group of
sane Democrats who have a group of words that they
would not like Democrats to say, and it aligns with
this idea, So we'll have more on that when we
come back on normally. All right, we are back on
normally with a semi regular segment, which is what the
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heck is going on with Democrats, And as I alluded to,
there's there's some signs of life with the sane people
that I'm going to get to first and then we
can get to the insane people. Third Way, which is
sort of a centristy moderate Democrat group often demonized by
the left in the Democratic Party, there's a memo circulating
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with blacklisted words that Democrat candidates should not use. Do
you want to hear them? Here are the terms privilege,
violence as an environmental violence, dialoguing, triggering, dialoguing, other ring, microaggression,
holding space. That's a good one, yeah, Body shaming, subverting norms,
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systems of oppressure, and cultural appropriation. Over to the window
existential threat to climate, democracy, economy, radical transparency, stakeholders, unhoused,
food insecurity, housing insecurity, Yeah, person who ever gonted birthing,
person cys gender dead, naming, heteronormous. It goes on and
on and on. I actually don't know what they're gonna
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say now.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, I posted that on X, I said, but this
is literally their whole vocabulary. I literally don't know what
else they can say. This list is amazing because every
one of those phrases is vaguely embarrassing. And I understand
why Democrats are newly embarrassed by this, But you've been
talking like this for a really long time, and I
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don't know. Heteronormative is actually a great one to talk
about because I remember, and this is going back I
don't even know. This is early two thousands, mid two thousands,
where Jada Pinkett Smith gave a speech on a college
campus and this is like what I call my first
moment of realizing something was shifting. And she gave us
each and she talked about people getting married and having
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kids and that kind of thing, and her speech was
criticized for being heteronormative. The first time I ever heard
that term and this is a long time ago. This is,
you know, decades ago now, and so to work these
words out of their vocabulary now is going to be tough.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, it is really tough. And there is this idea.
There's a bit of pushback on this from pundits of
the left who say, or representatives of left who say, well, now,
you're just playing this game where anyone who's coded left,
an elected Democrat or someone campaigning as a Democrat has
to answer for these weird words that they don't really use.
And I'm like, are you kidding me? You guys have
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been using these words right on the rest of us
to impose whatever insanity you want for many, many years.
This is not only an activist problem. You are led
around by your activists, and every party has some of
that to some extent. But wow, to pretend that this
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is like a new standard that you're placing on right
democratic candidates that's coming from nowhere. No, no, no. As someone
pointed out, the first page of the Democratic Party platform
at the DNC was a land acknowledgement. The one page
one those are your people.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
That's just the case. And you know, I hear all
the time that when you go to college tours. They
all start with land acknowledgments, and it's like, this is
who you're listening to, Like, doofye eighteen year olds who
came up with stuff like this and now it's part
of your party, you know, party platform, party ideas, and
you know, I would just say one of the phrases
not on the list, but I always like to throw
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back at them. Sit in your discomfort with these phrases.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Do the work.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, the work right, I'm not gonna I'm not going
to explain things to you.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Good luck to them. I do think this is Yeah,
it's gonna be tricky because they have learned. This goes
back to the problem of like they need their own
Joe Rogan again, Joe Rogan is a liberal, but they
think they need their own Joe Rogan. The thing they're
missing is freedom to speak. They don't feel that they
feel that they must use these words because they will
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be absolutely crucified for not using them, and so to
get away from them feels like the opposite of being
a good Democrat. But they have to get on the
other side of this vibe shift or they are in trouble.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, what's going on in Virginia. Let's tell us about this.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Oh something something good, Carol, This one's crazy. Actually I
checked this like four times to make sure it wasn't
photoshopped or something. Indeed it was not. So the Arlington
Public Schools had a school board meeting. Arlington Public Schools,
along with several other Northern Virginia school districts, have had
all sorts of scandals in the past several months. The
one in Arlington in particular is that the gender bathroom
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policies allowed a fifty something child sex offender to go
into a women's facility in a local high school and
expose himself. Does that bad to minors? Yeah? And so
a bunch of parents are like, hey, what are you
doing about this? And Nick Monok, the local reporter, who
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must be commended for staying on these stories, is like, hey,
what are you guys going to do about this? And
the Arly New Public Schools is basically like nothing. We think.
We think our policy is good and it's on the
opposite side of Trump, so we're fine to be good. Yeah. Yeah.
So there's a gathering at the school board meeting and
wins Seers, who is the Republican running for governor.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Here lieutenant governor.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Current lieutenant governor shows up to speak at this meeting
because Abigail Spanberger, the allegedly normy Democrat running for governor,
can't muster any statements on any of the great giant
controversies happening northern Virginia schools, especially on these gender policies,
because she would have to get on the right side
of the left and that will make her not appealing
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to many in Virginia. So when some sears shows up
to speak at this meeting, she is notably an African American.
She is she would be the first female black governor
of the state of Virginia. She's a Marine, she's an immigrant,
she has a great life story. She's speaking inside outside
a gathering of as is often the case, boomer Libs
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in Arlington very very affluent.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
You see them everywhere.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
You see them, ever, and one of them is carrying
a sign that says this, Hey, Winsome, if trans can't
share your bathroom, then blacks can't share my water fountain.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
She really thought that was a wind when she came
up with that sign. She's like, I got her.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I I was joking, Like can you imagine, like the
husband and the family or friends who were like, girl,
you can't, I can't leave with that. And then they
just you know, they got steamrolled by her. Right, And as.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I say what I want, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Exactly, And as there's a there's a guy, Ben Tribbett
who's a trustworthy, smart Democrat who works specifically in Virginia
politics and knows a lot about their activist base. He
pegged that she was from this door knocking activist far
left group, and he said, look, like, wake up to
the Karen problem that we do have. Like there's a
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lot of people who have gone who have gone around
the bend. Yeah, And he's like, the problem isn't necessarily
that there was one person who used this sign. The
problem is that no one in that group of Arlington
Democrats could say, no, you can't do this.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
This does not speak for us, right, that's crazy. Meanwhile,
Mark Broklowski, vice chair of the Virginia Democrats, he thinks
the sign might be the fault of the black lady.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Obviously, the lady embracing Jim Crow in public.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
That'sh No, not her, that's not her fault.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
No, it's not her fault.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
He posted what happened in Arlington wasn't just about a meeting.
It was about the climate when some seers is creating
one where contempts currency, and neighbors are turning against each other.
How dare she with her It's amazing contempt is currency
and neighbors turning against each other, telling herself not to
use the white people found.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, she did show up, you know, with her skin
in Arlington. Right, one would think that that would go okay,
but no, she disagrees with them. And what happens is
if you are a minority or a woman or an
lgbt Q person who disagrees with the left on any
given issue, you are subject to basically just whatever they
want to say to you. Yeah, and this one was
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WHOA And I wonder, Look, this is a race that
is going to be a little a bit of an
uphill battle for wins Sears and Spamberger by not saying
anything about these issues. She did denounce the Sign, that's
the one thing she's been specific about. Yeah, she did
come out and denounce the Sign. She's still silent on
all these other controversies, and she is giving winsome seers
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the exact same dynamic that made Youngkin governor. She is
handing it right to her, as are the public school
which can't get seen.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, I mean I hope that the voters do the
right thing here and realize how bad of a governor
she would be. But yeah, I like her giving that
preview and kind of ducking all these issues that are
important to parents. Meanwhile, in my home of hometown of
New York City, Zora, Mom, Donnie was like at a
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street fair and somebody asked him if he wanted to
bench press, and he said yes. Now, let me tell
you if I were running for mayor and I was
at a street fair and somebody asked me if I
wanted a bench press, I would know that I don't
know how to bench press.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah, how come he didn't know that?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Like, what is it that happened here? He attempted to
bench press and it failed completely? The guy holding the
bench press had to kind of pull it up for him.
What went wrong?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Pretty confused by this because there's not much on the bar.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
So Frey also in like like he's clearly wasn't there
for this, Like it was just you know, he wanted
to seem spontaneous and cool, and that did not work out.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah, I think this is just straight up Hubris. Yeah,
I think he he he's very He's quite capable as
a campaigner. He clearly has charisma. He might think he
can just do anything. Yeah, and he gets on this
bench at like whatever this men's Day was. It was
some sort of male focused celebration. He doesn't even allowed.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I didn't realize that was permitted.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, his form is bad poor. Yeah, his spotter has
to do most of the work for him. There's not
much on the bar for the uninitiated. The bar is
forty five pounds. It looks like there's a total of
a little over one hundred, like one thirty one thirty
five on this on him total. Yeah, that's not It's
not a lot for a thirty something man. And he
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struggles with it. And I just think if you're running
for something, if you're a public figure, you got to know,
beyond a shadow of a doubt, what you're capable of.
You put yourself in that position. Also, in this case,
there's a standing narrative that men of the Democratic Party
are affet are liberal? Are we not do things like
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lift weights? So if that's the narrative, you do everything
you can not to play into it and he did
the exact opposite.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, it was kind of embarrassing to watch, but I
think you got.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
A lot of attention too. I was like x CEOs
wrote it up.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
They were like, yeah, I think Hubris is the correct.
Really thing there, as famous New York or Biggie Small said,
never get high on your own supply, and I think
that's exactly what Zorn I'm Donie has done here.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, it's and here's the thing about both the racist
sign in Arlington or this event. The truth is that
campaigns change in these weird symbolic moments. That doesn't mean
that either one of these Democrats isn't going to win, right,
they can still win. Yeah, these are moments that stick
in people's minds. They go, oh wait, I thought that
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guy was like a dude's dude. I thought he was
somebody we could mix it up with. He seemed like that. Now,
by the way, he was called Mom's scrawny. To his credit,
put up a lot of weight or put up the
same amount of wait, plenty of times with no help.
Someone else also noted, and I want to be bipartisan
and fair, that Jamal Bowman that's his name, right, The
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guy who was primaried out that he can bench four
o five. So I just want to point it out there.
I want to be fair, good for him, good for her.
He now he's not a congressman. That's why he got
immediately stronger after he was not a Democratic congressman anymore.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Anyway, that's what a herd.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I could see that, you know, like the Democrats being like, hey,
we have somebody who knows how to bench press right now,
we got.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
To get this how it does. Yeah, but yeah, I
think it's I don't want to be unfair to people who,
you know, not everybody benches, not everybody lifts. No, but
know your limits before you for your limits yourself in
that position.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Absolutely. We'll be right back with stories you may have
missed from this wild weekend. Welcome back on normally. And
I have to start this one off because I think
that this is just sort of interesting to me that
this did not hit at all. Andrew Kaczynski he posts
(20:40):
under a k file. He's a CNN senior politics reporter.
He's known for digging up stories like really like things
people forgot or didn't know, and he posted over the
weekend that Julane Maxwell was an honored guest at prestigious
Clinton event in twenty thirteen, years after abuse allegation against
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her were publicly known. Information we reviewed showed her on
a list recommended for free access by either Bill or
Hillary Clinton, per a source familiar. The weird thing about
this is it did not resonate at all. He got
four hundred and sixteen retweets on that, and I just
feel like that's nothing. Obviously, the left doesn't want to
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highlight this because they're trying to tie Epstein to Donald Trump,
But a lot of the Epstein obsessed people on the
right didn't talk about this at all either. Now that
might be because Donald Trump said, we're not talking about
this anymore, or my own personal conspiracy theory, because we're
in a world of conspiracy theories with this Jeffrey Epstein.
Thing altogether is that a lot of the people that
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incessantly talk about Epstein on the right are just trying
to hurt Trump with it. Also, So yeah, I think
take that with your grain of self. But that's my take.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Well, and I think there's a third take, which is
that in any contest between Trump's base and Trump, when
the wins, Trump is going to win. Yeah, you can
take it to the bank like that. That is the
lesson that everyone must learn. And like, sometimes I'm not
gonna like it, and sometimes I am gonna like it,
but gonna be the victor when it comes to a
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break between him and his base. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Another story from this weekend that I felt was a
little undercovered. Summer box office for Hollywood won't reach four billion,
which is what they thought it would. It hit about
three point five, which is higher than I would expect honestly,
because I think all of these films are terrible, and
I just I never go to the movies. Nothing looks
(22:39):
even remotely good to me. But some of the things
that they talked about being highly grossing are Lelo and Stitch,
Jurassic World Rebirth, How to Train a Dragon another one,
Superman again. Again, these are all remakes or familiar things,
nothing new. I don't know. Do you watch movies.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I I do not go to the movie theater often.
I would like to see Naked Gun, which is another remake,
but I have heard good things about it, and I
would like to see Naked Gun in the theater because
it's good to support comedies in the theater because I
want them to make more comedies, and I've heard it's
quite good. So, but it's always like best laid plans,
you know, like me getting out to a movie theater
(23:20):
is not easy, right, And here's the thing. My husband
used to talk about this all during the pandemic. Once
you have broken people's habits, the chances that they will
revive them the same way that they had them before
are very low. So with meeting it with going to church.
Another bad one that went by the wayside during the pandemic.
(23:41):
Going to theaters. The idea of taking our full family
to a theater is expensive, tough. It could be fun,
but it also could be a total dud depending on
what the movie does. So when I'm presented with the
choice of theater versus my home, and I am very
often because just allow me to stream it at home,
(24:01):
I'm gonna stick around the house, right.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I can't even now that you mention it, and my
kids are older by fifteen, twelve and nine, I don't
think we've been to a movie the five of us,
I mean definitely not since the pandemic twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Is who they need to be reaching and my families
who they need to be reaching and By the way,
they haven't figured out how to advertise to me. Instagram
ads can be served to me for any other thing.
Do I hear about children's movies? No? Never.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I didn't even know Lilan Stitch came out neither.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
So I don't know how the big studios are missing
how to advertise to people like me, and they should
work on that.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Speaking of things that we haven't recovered from you from
the pandemic, the New York Times as we're going to
as we're airing this, just published something that they're worried
that all the people that left blue states now means
the Democrats will have a harder time winning and the
next census, the Democrats are going to suffer some losses. Yeah,
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I don't feel bad for you at all.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Now. This is I remember I used to get very
frustrated because there wasn't an immediate political backlash for COVID policies,
and I was like, are people just going to memory
hole this? Are they not going to be mad about it?
And there was a little in Virginia where Yunkin was elected,
and then I think a larger backlash came in twenty
twenty four, and it came in people willing to vote
(25:25):
for Trump and moving away from the Democratic Party for
all of the insanity that they had served up from
twenty twenty to twenty twenty four. And this is like
the real deal. This one is you drove a bunch
of people out of your states with these horrible dare
I say, sometimes fascist and authoritarian policies. They left, they
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ain't coming back, and in many places like Florida, Georgia,
they end up being converted to centrist or right leaning
people right keep those states red and then those red
states get more electoral college votes and get more representation
and Congress.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Or they just drove out the people who were voting
Republican but still represented numbers for your electoral college vote.
They didn't consider that, you know. I both Andrew Cuomo
and Kathy Hokeel made comments like if you don't like it,
moved to Florida, and then a bunch of us did,
and now they may lose electoral votes because of that,
Like you know, you're bad.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Meanwhile, by the way, I just want to note this
because I forgot to note it in the first segment
or in our second second. But mom Donnie is suggesting
getting rid of misdemeanor charges entirely. So get ready, I
guess for another flood of thanks to Florida, because I
feel like this isn't gonna go well, yeah, the city.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
It's pretty bad. One of the things that The New
York Times found in this thing Nick Corrassani Ti, who
posted this, he does politics voting democracy reporter for the
New York Times. He said that if a Democratic in
twenty thirty to a Democratic presidential candidate who wins Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin,
and Nevada still loses the presidency, I mean, whoopsie, really,
(27:03):
you know, maybe you should have thought of this as
I can let you know from my new home of Florida.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah, I mean, this is the blue Wall gone right.
The blue Wall has been weakened because Trump was able
to make inroads places that other Republicans were not Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin.
And this is the you know, just that on steroids,
because he did it through hard work and through appealing
to these folks, and then the Democrats helped him by
(27:31):
sending a bunch of folks to the South, to otherwise
red states, and the past of the presidency is going
to get much much harder for Democrats in the future.
And that's what a lot of this redistricting screaming is about, right.
It is the death throes of people who are looking
down the barrel at the twenty thirty census that's going
(27:52):
to be very bad for them.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
If only someone would have said something during the pandemic
that all these things we're doing are going to have percussions,
Mary Catherine, why didn't anybody tell them? I know, if
only we had spoken out. Well, thank you for joining
us on Normally Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you
can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Get in touch
with us at normallythepod at gmail dot com. Thanks for
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