September 2, 2025 • 26 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz discuss the bizarre rumors surrounding President Trump's health. They delve into the media's obsession with Trump's visibility and the implications of his absence. The conversation shifts to a significant shakeup at the CDC, examining the impact of leadership changes on public health. Finally, they address the declining birth rates among progressives and the political ramifications of family dynamics, emphasizing the need for a cultural shift towards valuing family and children. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, guys, you are back up the show with normal,
which takes the winds and news gets weird.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I am Mary caser Camp and I am Carol Markowitz.
How was your labor a weekend, Mary Katsman, It's been
pretty good.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I got to get up to New York and host the.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Big weekend show on thoughts, and you know what, the
big weekend show is big, and it has a lot
of topics.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
And.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
So you know a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Now. Well, either that or my brain is just fried
from having known a lot of things. And now I've
moved on from those like cramming for a test, right,
So I got to hand it to New York this time.
It's like sixty five degrees outside and gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
New York does end of summer early fall very very well.
It gets called very quickly.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Though.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm not one of those autumn girls at all, so.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I'm a summer gal as well. It's superior season. I
like September because it's mostly summer with is like.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
A touch of fall a here for it, not in Florida,
but yes, I seem to recall that's how it went elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yes, Well, the big story over.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
The weekend was somehow is Trump dead? And it started
with a tweet and I'm still going to call it
tweet even though it's excuse what else are we calling it?
From Laura Rosen and she said Trump has no public
events scheduled all weekend. Don't believe he was seen today either,
and then she followed up not seen yesterday either, and
(01:23):
then she quoted a White House pool reporter saying the
pool did not see the president today. Quote, we have
a travel photoed as a five seventeen PM pool did
not physically see the president today.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
This blew so out of proportion. It really got me thinking.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
First of all, Biden was missing for days at a
time and no one cared a time was he even here?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Like is he actually president? And we still don't really know.
Trump is gone for a few days, not even a
few days. It's Labor Day weekend, He's gone for Friday
and Thursday. And people absolutely lost their mind. At the
end of basically this hoopla.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Laura updated that Trump on Saturday was with his granddaughter
Kai Trump. They were going to go golfing in Virginia.
And then she also said that a Daily Caller reporter,
Reagan Reese, had been with Trump on the Friday where
she had originally reported that nobody had seen him.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Ultimately, she said, my two cents.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
When I noted at the top the Trump did not
have public events on the long weekend schedule and had
not been seen for a few days, I did not
know what it meant, if anything, maybe getting some sort
of medical at tension, maybe something else, maybe nothing. Sometimes
one only finds out later.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
What was going on.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
But for someone who likes to always be on TV,
et cetera, this absence seemed worth noting. It genuinely never
occurred to me that anyone would think he was not alive,
And when started to see the volume of responses to
that effect, I felt like it was a bystander to
whatever was driving that virality. In any case, it is
obvious today from photos of him going to his golf
club with his grandchildren he is still functional.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Still fair to say there.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Is something sort of limited about his visibility in these photos,
and his grandchildren more discreet witnesses to his demeanor than
his sometimes weekend golfing partners say, like Lindsey Graham, still.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Wonder if he's had some sort of medical procedure or something.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
This was insane and I don't know what to make
of it. People were absolutely losing their minds. What did
you see now?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
It escalated very quickly, and I don't think Rosen is
wrong for pointing out, Okay, he's sort of weirdly out
of the spotlight for a couple of days.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
That is true. Now you should probably note in that
tweet it is a holiday weekend. Yeah, he may have
some plans, but it's okay.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
To take a day or two off you are president. Now,
I think the other guy took months off.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I know, like the diversion from the norm I think
is noteworthy and could possibly be a news.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Story, right, sure, But I think she didn't count on her.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Followers because liberals and blue sky liberals in general being
this insane, and they have been obsessing for quite some
time about his health.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
And look, I think, as I've said, I think that
the White House should be transparent and up from about
the president's health situation.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
It was notably very not for four years.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
And if Trump is in bad health, they should be
telling people what's going on now that the left tweeters
and blue skyers have been chasing down pictures of him
looking unstable or sick.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, but we see him all the time.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
It's like, you can't chase down those pictures with this
administration because we see Trump all the time.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Well, and he had given a three hour cabinet meeting
presser like days before. Anyway, they've been chasing this for
a long time. There is this idea that he is
like gravely ill and that and that he's going to
keel over at any minute. First of all, he's in
his late seventies. Okay, he likely has some health issues
(05:07):
that just are part of being in your late seventies. Sure,
but game this out for me, Carol, the people who
are really we're so excited that President Trump might be dead.
First of all, it's classless to do that. It's classless
to do it with Obama or Biden or whomever. Second
of all, how does that work.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Out for them?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Who becomes president?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
President Vance is quite clearly the successor in the Constitution,
and maybe they're not well read up on that. So
he becomes the president. He is capable, he is young,
He then has several years of presidential experience going in
to twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I just how is this better for them?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
How is this better for you?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
And you've lost your chief villain, who is the person
who keeps your base very excited, motivated, or worse.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I don't get it. Why are you'll excited?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It makes no sense. It really makes no sense.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
And I also say, we talk a lot on here
about not losing friends over politics or acquaintances even over politics.
But some of the gross posts I saw on Facebook
in the last few days of people.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I know, I don't know, I'm I was like, do
I do?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Is this where I defriend people? It's not going to
be over policy disagreement. It's going to be over your
a really bad person who is rooting for the death
of a father and grandfather.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I just I could never do that.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I could, like, I try to imagine, like whose death
I would root for it.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I don't know. Terrorists literally, terrorists are all I.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Could come up with.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And exactly it's just like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, I'm the same people who wish for his death
are very happy to be angry that terrorists are killed.
So funny, they got it flipped.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
They got it flipped.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
They really do.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Don't root for people's deaths. People like I get.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
It, you feel strongly and you hate people in the
public eye, there's still people and it's wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
It's wrong, and.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
It's not going to hurt them, it's going to hurt you.
You become a worse person of course, or person. It's
not about going low when you know, going high when
they go low, or any of that.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
It's about you.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Being a human who travels through this life being a
good person, and that's really the goal here. Don't root
for the death of anyone.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Also, since the beginning of my doing this job, the
online left has been quite obvious and enthusiastic about wishing
the death of its political adversaries.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, and the.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Online right has many of many, many problems men, But
it has struck me for twenty years doing this that
the left is very enthusiastic about wishing these kinds of things,
very obvious about it. Sort of gets a pass because
they have a lot of allies in the media when
they are badly behaved this way. But it's bad form,
it's bad form. Just don't do it. Don't do don't
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do assassination fetishism, don't do wishing that politans are dead.
It's bad news. So he remains with us. He's playing golf,
and we will keep you updated on his health as
things move forward.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, I can't wait to hear how his golf game
was this weekend.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Honestly, I feel like he's going to have a lot
to stay.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
He generally has a lot to say, So back to
it soon, I'm sure up next on normally, we're going
to take a quick break and we will be back
with a CDC dust up.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Alrighty, there is a.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Big change going on at the Center for Disease Control.
There was, of course, a clap out for those who
are leaving in protest. There's a handful of people who
are leaving because the CDC director who was just put
in place about a month ago. CDC Director Suzanne Manarez,
was asked to leave. She got in a little back
and forth with RFK, who is the head of HIGs,
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because she didn't believe he had the power to fire her,
which I think is actually accurate. I think the president
has to fire her at any rate.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
They went back and forth.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
A couple of other people resigned in protest because the
newly placed CDC director was being let go. And now
you have a lot of New York Times stories along
the lines of can the CDC survive.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
How a big deal?
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
We have many thoughts about the CDC, But how big
a deal do we think this shakeup is?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
In real life?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Not a big deal in the media world, the biggest
deal that has ever dealt ever, And that really is
the divide between what is going on in our press
and what is going on in people's lives. I wrote
a piece, you know, several years ago now, and the CDC,
their performance during COVID was atrocious and the fact is
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we could have done better without having a cd see
during the worst time, the only time that we've ever.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Needed the CDC.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
And you know, and it's actually true, that's actually true
if you had removed me from them entirely.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Yeah, yeah, look, I you know, we've talked about it
on here, But before the pandemic, I wasn't like an
anti CDC person. I wasn't an anti public health official.
I just saw that in a time where we needed
them to perform, they absolutely failed.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And then why do we need them? So these firings
or resignations, force resignations don't bother me at all. I
think a lot of these people deserve it.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
And they're anti science largely we'll get into one of
the cases in particular.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
But yeah, the fact that the media is so angry about.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
It does not make it a real story, does not
make it important in people's lives.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, I should note that the sky is falling. Will
the CDC survive? Piece is written by a poor Vamende
Villi who is a famous liar and dupe.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
And she is covid era.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
She is the New York Times Health public health reporter.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
She's very, very bad.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
So awful that all should be taken with a grain
of salt. I will say.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I'll just say to people listening, look up a porva
plus corrections on Google and enjoy your time looking at
her work.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
If you've got a lot of time.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
No, I agree with you that, And I think the
way you put it about the CDC is helpful because
I think you're right that basically, without them, we would
have done a better job during the during the pandemic,
which is why when the people who resign go on
TV and say this will harm people, we will not
be prepared for the next outbreak, I say, will it.
(11:42):
I'm sorry, what show me where you were prepared for
the last outbreak? Show me where you told the truth
about the last Outbreak.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
By the way I bought the hype.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I believed the movie Outbreak that the CDC was full
of geniuses right, and it indeed might be in parts.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
But what I saw of the CDC was a bunch
of lies, a bunch of.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Ideologically driven, propatized ye a bunch of politicized terrible advice.
And my friend Kelly from Georgia, who is a mom
who's good at math, flagging the CDC for messing up
basic statistics regularly and saying, hey, I need you guys
to fix this, and eventually they would never giving credit
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to the mom in Georgia who's correcting them.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Can we put her in the shakeup somewhere exactly?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Her handle on X is Kelly with an E y
kg A must follow.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yes, So that's what I saw during the pandemic. And
then one of the guys who has now left, so
this is Dimitri Daslacis. I believe he was in charge
of the monkey pocks response after COVID and this was
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the first time I ever heard of this eyes when
I saw this clip telling us how we should deal
with monkey pocks and see if you can find a
slight difference between the way that it's treated pay closed
and it's treated.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Yeah, I work in HIV normally, and I'll tell you that.
You know, I always say that I've never made an
HIV diagnosis, and someone that hasn't somehow related to stigma.
I think mpox is the same. So really, stigma tends
to be a barrier to testing, a barrier to vaccination,
and so you know, really addressing stigma intentionally and making
sure that we get the word out in a way
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that supports people's joy as opposed to you know, calling
them risky. So I think, you know, one of the
things to think about is that, you know, one person's
idea of risk is another person's idea of a great
festival or Friday night for that matter. So we have
to sort of embrace that with joy and make sure
that folks know how to keep themselves safe.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
So let me just.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
During a monkey Pock's outbreak, which is a sexually transmitted infection,
we are going to do harmard and value group sex
as a place.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Of joy, something you just have to have sometimes.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
But during COVID, yeah, we're going to.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Shut schools for the least at risk population and churches
and churches and tell you that there is no joy
in a backyard barbecue and we will be having none
of that.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
And seeing your family is just not that important. Yes,
having group sex on a Friday night that you need,
but seeing grandma less, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Prevalent or that's not a joy we need to honor.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
So that's the first time I heard of this guy
when the monkey Pocks outbreak happened, and so I shed
few tears for his exit, and he also referred to
pregnant people in his exit resignation letter. And then he's
gone on, Like I will say, look, doctor Mark Siegel,
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who is a Fox News contributor who did the big
weekend show with me last night, said this guy has
been good at things, working in HIV and working in
infectious diseases, and he's, oh, okay, fine, that may be
the case. He is the worst, absolute worst spokesperson for
telling me why he should be at the CDC because
he is doing every other political story he can get
his hands on, talking about transitions, talking about stuff that
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has nothing to do with what he's allegedly good at,
and that makes me think that he did a lot
of that on the job.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Exactly, you know. I look, maybe Mark is right, but
I don't care. I don't care because somebody who thinks
that there can be pregnant non women is not somebody
we want in positions of medical authority in this country.
And that's really what it keeps coming down to. If
we have ideologues on the right that push a political
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message in health organizations, like blatant political messaging, I think
the left would understand what the problem is, but because
it's their own messaging, they literally can't see what the
issue is.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
So what pregnant people? Why can't we say pregnant people? Well,
because women are the only ones who can get pregnant.
That's why. That's why you can't say pregnant people.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
And again, don't feel at all sorry for him. I
think that this is a case of you flew too
close to the sun. You wanted to be a political actor.
Now you are a political actor, You're on all the shows.
Congratulations to you, but you can no longer have the
medical job right.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I will say this about reshaping the CDC, I think
that Trump has a great opportunity to rebuild trust in
public health. RFK Junior was obviously a very controversial pick.
I understood that he needed leeway for that. Do I
think he's the best pick?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I don't like you.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And I have talked about how we prefer Marty McCarey,
how we like Jay Vadicharia, how we like Vene Pissad,
who was put back in his position.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
There is an opportunity to staff with people who were
smart during the pandemic, who spoke up and were brave
about it, who are critical thinkers.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
And to do it their background, to do it in.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
An orderly way. And my concern is on again, we
have a staffing dust up that is.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Like, this woman was just put in place by you
guys a month ago. By the way, all the Democrats
on the Hill who didn't vote for her are now like,
oh my gosh, she's amazing.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
We must have here.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
No, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Like, who's in charge, who's making the decisions? How are
you remaking this organization? Let's think about that and do
it well. Because I believe that you're up against some
bad forces. I believe that many of these people should go.
I would like you to see it. I would like
to see it done in a way that makes me
feel confident about where you're headed.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
That's right, Let's follow Mary Catherine's plan.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
One more note.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
You and I looked this up because we couldn't quite
remember what happened, But two FDA officials who specialized in
vaccines left during the ongoing discussion of COVID vaccines and
the somewhat controversial issuing of mandates to young people, particularly
young men who were getting my card artists, we know
that health officials hid real facts about the efficacy of
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the COVID vaccine. They hid the risks to young men
for myocharditis when they knew about it.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Two of those folks resigned, and somehow that wasn't a
big story.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
It was just like, I guess these I guess these
people just aren't interested in public health and we'll move
on without the peak of their kind of importance.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
They just didn't want to be there anymore for some reason.
Nobody knows why.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Nobody knows why.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
And when it comes to discussing vaccines, which we're going
to be doing, and I think RFK has some bad
ideas on because like much of the research on the
on the autism vaccine front was explicitly faked by a
guy and I know that the data was faked by him,
So I don't I don't like that being part of
the discussion.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Do I want to have a discussion?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Sure, go ahead, right, but again, lefties have to just
erase the entire last five years to tell you that
the CDC and the FDA and ACIP, which is the
vaccine group that approves everything, they're doing just a peachy
keen job, right.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Yeah, they just want to get to like the best
health outcomes. There's no political anything going on there.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
No no no like as our good friend Political Math
with Shapiro notes on Twitter, the experts at ACIP in particular,
that was supposed to be the independent group that reviews vaccines,
they allowed themselves to get bullied by a deceitful CDC
in the Biden administration. They recommended an untested vaccine booster
against their better judgment and allowed the CDC in the
Biden administration to box them into the corner. There are
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consequences for that, and sometimes that looks like an overhaul
at your agency, like.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
The Sorry, not that Sorry.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
We'll be right back with a story on how conservatives,
those dastardly conservatives, trick the liberals into not having children?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
How dare we marry Catherine?
Speaker 3 (19:49):
We have amazing powers.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Be right back. We're back on normally. We're A columnist
and chief data.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Reporter at the Financial Times, John Byrne Murdoch had a
thread over the last few days where he said that
progressives need to start talking about the birth rate problem.
His original tweet said, for all the talk of a
general fallen berths, the drop is overwhelmingly driven by people
on the left having fewer kids. By seating the topic
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of family and children to the right, progressives risks ushering
in a more conservative world.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Now. First of all, we all saw this coming like.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
This is insanely not news, And the fact that the
left is just realizing this is another tell that they
don't listen to us at all, So it could not
have been us talking them into not having children. For
years and years, James Toronto at The Wall Street Journal
would highlight something called the Row effect, where more people
on the left were having abortions, therefore more people on
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the right were having kids and fewer people on the
left were having kids, and that this would inevitably usher
in a more conservative populist You don't always follow your parents' politics.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Listen. No, I understand that, but you do a lot
of the time. And there is definitely a.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Correlation between the political opinions of your parents and the
political opinions of your kids. So it was coming all along,
and the fact that this is now a something that
the left is discovering is wild.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, Like, we didn't bring this on you.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Guys, right, We tried to make you listen.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Well, And that's what Tim Karney, who wrote a great
book called Family Unfriendly, that's about during society, American society
a little bit more back towards families so that we
can help them make it easier to have more children.
He noted that, like, I've been talking about Natalia for years, yeah,
and policy solutions and inviting the left to have that
discussion with me. But the left has really painted itself
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into a corner because they look at people like me
or you who are over replacement level, right, and they
say that's irresponsible.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
They think it's bad.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
They think they'll say you can't get give enough attention
to each child. They'll say that you can't, you're putting
a burden on other people by having this many. In fact, no,
if you actually want the social programs that you guys want,
you have to have my kids someday to be tax
fodder for you.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
So I so just like remember that.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
But yes, it, of course not every kid becomes whatever
political affiliation was. But many kids who are growing up
in a three plus kid household, are raised in a faith,
are practicing that faith on a regular basis.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Are likely to become more right of center than left.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Just given that, and that will pay dividends to right
leaning candidates in the future.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I mean, that's just it. That's just a fact, guys.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Just a fact.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
His last tweet in the thread originally said the greatest
trick right ever pulled was convincing the left that talking
about families and children is conservative coded. He, to his credit,
changed that last tweet to I fear many progressives have
convinced themselves that talking about families and children is conservative coded.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Because that's actually what happened.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
We were like, guys, everybody should be having more children,
and I have to admit at some point a few
years ago, I was like, wait, why am I pitching
this to progressives Like they're fine, don't have children, what
do I care? I don't care. So I did slow
down on that, but we did still keep bringing the
alarm that we were, you know, getting to the place
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where we were below replacement rates. It does change the
fabric of your country when you're not having enough children.
I've seen it happen in other countries, Scotland for example,
my beloved Scotland. They're just it is a difference in
the way that the country sees itself, the way that
they look at their future, the way things that are
important to them change because having kids.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So who really cares, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
No, it is.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Having kids is a gauge for your optimism for the future.
And if you're a if you're part of a left
leaning group who has a lot of climate anxiety, who
is told that it is a certain doom if you
bring your children into this world, of course you're going
to have fewer them. And anecdotally, I would say it's
very clear between and I have a lot of liberal
friends and I have a lot of conservative friends. The
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conservative woman friends in my life, I think over the past,
my oldest is twelve. There's one girl group who has
had like seventeen children since the time that she was born,
or no, not even since she was born, Like in
the last seven years, and it's very different with my
friends on the left and you know, have one or two,
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it's just a very different yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Right, yeah, have the baby's friends have the babies well.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
And one more thing as this we've talked about in
the past, this demographic part of it, the fact that
Democrats were relying on demographics's destiny, right, that is the
Obama pitch that like, now, we have a country that
is full of it's diverse, and it's full of black
and brown people who are never going to vote for Republicans.
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And then Trump went and made an argument to those
people and they started voting for him.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
So there are several demographic.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Fronts that are not going well for Democrats, including one
more the twenty thirty census that we've talked about, where
the migration to red States is going to change the
way that we do the math on the electoral college
and the representation in Congress, and that three for.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Not great for the left.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Yeah, which you know from our perspective over here, you
did it to yourselves. And yes, you know, once.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Again we didn't trick you.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
I am Mary caser Camp and I am Carol Markowitz.
How was your labor a weekend, Mary Katsman, It's been
pretty good.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I got to get up to New York and host the.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Big weekend show on thoughts, and you know what, the
big weekend show is big, and it has a lot
of topics.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
And.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
So you know a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Now. Well, either that or my brain is just fried
from having known a lot of things. And now I've
moved on from those like cramming for a test, right,
So I got to hand it to New York this time.
It's like sixty five degrees outside and gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
New York does end of summer early fall very very well.
It gets called very quickly.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Though.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm not one of those autumn girls at all, so.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I'm a summer gal as well. It's superior season. I
like September because it's mostly summer with is like.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
A touch of fall a here for it, not in Florida,
but yes, I seem to recall that's how it went elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yes, Well, the big story over.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
The weekend was somehow is Trump dead? And it started
with a tweet and I'm still going to call it
tweet even though it's excuse what else are we calling it?
From Laura Rosen and she said Trump has no public
events scheduled all weekend. Don't believe he was seen today either,
and then she followed up not seen yesterday either, and
(01:23):
then she quoted a White House pool reporter saying the
pool did not see the president today. Quote, we have
a travel photoed as a five seventeen PM pool did
not physically see the president today.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
This blew so out of proportion. It really got me thinking.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
First of all, Biden was missing for days at a
time and no one cared a time was he even here?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Like is he actually president? And we still don't really know.
Trump is gone for a few days, not even a
few days. It's Labor Day weekend, He's gone for Friday
and Thursday. And people absolutely lost their mind. At the
end of basically this hoopla.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Laura updated that Trump on Saturday was with his granddaughter
Kai Trump. They were going to go golfing in Virginia.
And then she also said that a Daily Caller reporter,
Reagan Reese, had been with Trump on the Friday where
she had originally reported that nobody had seen him.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Ultimately, she said, my two cents.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
When I noted at the top the Trump did not
have public events on the long weekend schedule and had
not been seen for a few days, I did not
know what it meant, if anything, maybe getting some sort
of medical at tension, maybe something else, maybe nothing. Sometimes
one only finds out later.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
What was going on.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
But for someone who likes to always be on TV,
et cetera, this absence seemed worth noting. It genuinely never
occurred to me that anyone would think he was not alive,
And when started to see the volume of responses to
that effect, I felt like it was a bystander to
whatever was driving that virality. In any case, it is
obvious today from photos of him going to his golf
club with his grandchildren he is still functional.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Still fair to say there.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Is something sort of limited about his visibility in these photos,
and his grandchildren more discreet witnesses to his demeanor than
his sometimes weekend golfing partners say, like Lindsey Graham, still.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Wonder if he's had some sort of medical procedure or something.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
This was insane and I don't know what to make
of it. People were absolutely losing their minds. What did
you see now?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
It escalated very quickly, and I don't think Rosen is
wrong for pointing out, Okay, he's sort of weirdly out
of the spotlight for a couple of days.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
That is true. Now you should probably note in that
tweet it is a holiday weekend. Yeah, he may have
some plans, but it's okay.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
To take a day or two off you are president. Now,
I think the other guy took months off.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I know, like the diversion from the norm I think
is noteworthy and could possibly be a news.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Story, right, sure, But I think she didn't count on her.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Followers because liberals and blue sky liberals in general being
this insane, and they have been obsessing for quite some
time about his health.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
And look, I think, as I've said, I think that
the White House should be transparent and up from about
the president's health situation.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
It was notably very not for four years.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
And if Trump is in bad health, they should be
telling people what's going on now that the left tweeters
and blue skyers have been chasing down pictures of him
looking unstable or sick.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, but we see him all the time.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
It's like, you can't chase down those pictures with this
administration because we see Trump all the time.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Well, and he had given a three hour cabinet meeting
presser like days before. Anyway, they've been chasing this for
a long time. There is this idea that he is
like gravely ill and that and that he's going to
keel over at any minute. First of all, he's in
his late seventies. Okay, he likely has some health issues
(05:07):
that just are part of being in your late seventies. Sure,
but game this out for me, Carol, the people who
are really we're so excited that President Trump might be dead.
First of all, it's classless to do that. It's classless
to do it with Obama or Biden or whomever. Second
of all, how does that work.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Out for them?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Who becomes president?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
President Vance is quite clearly the successor in the Constitution,
and maybe they're not well read up on that. So
he becomes the president. He is capable, he is young,
He then has several years of presidential experience going in
to twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I just how is this better for them?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
How is this better for you?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
And you've lost your chief villain, who is the person
who keeps your base very excited, motivated, or worse.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I don't get it. Why are you'll excited?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It makes no sense. It really makes no sense.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
And I also say, we talk a lot on here
about not losing friends over politics or acquaintances even over politics.
But some of the gross posts I saw on Facebook
in the last few days of people.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I know, I don't know, I'm I was like, do
I do?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Is this where I defriend people? It's not going to
be over policy disagreement. It's going to be over your
a really bad person who is rooting for the death
of a father and grandfather.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I just I could never do that.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I could, like, I try to imagine, like whose death
I would root for it.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I don't know. Terrorists literally, terrorists are all I.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Could come up with.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And exactly it's just like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, I'm the same people who wish for his death
are very happy to be angry that terrorists are killed.
So funny, they got it flipped.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
They got it flipped.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
They really do.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Don't root for people's deaths. People like I get.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
It, you feel strongly and you hate people in the
public eye, there's still people and it's wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
It's wrong, and.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
It's not going to hurt them, it's going to hurt you.
You become a worse person of course, or person. It's
not about going low when you know, going high when
they go low, or any of that.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
It's about you.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Being a human who travels through this life being a
good person, and that's really the goal here. Don't root
for the death of anyone.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Also, since the beginning of my doing this job, the
online left has been quite obvious and enthusiastic about wishing
the death of its political adversaries.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, and the.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Online right has many of many, many problems men, But
it has struck me for twenty years doing this that
the left is very enthusiastic about wishing these kinds of things,
very obvious about it. Sort of gets a pass because
they have a lot of allies in the media when
they are badly behaved this way. But it's bad form,
it's bad form. Just don't do it. Don't do don't
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do assassination fetishism, don't do wishing that politans are dead.
It's bad news. So he remains with us. He's playing golf,
and we will keep you updated on his health as
things move forward.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, I can't wait to hear how his golf game
was this weekend.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Honestly, I feel like he's going to have a lot
to stay.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
He generally has a lot to say, So back to
it soon, I'm sure up next on normally, we're going
to take a quick break and we will be back
with a CDC dust up.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Alrighty, there is a.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Big change going on at the Center for Disease Control.
There was, of course, a clap out for those who
are leaving in protest. There's a handful of people who
are leaving because the CDC director who was just put
in place about a month ago. CDC Director Suzanne Manarez,
was asked to leave. She got in a little back
and forth with RFK, who is the head of HIGs,
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because she didn't believe he had the power to fire her,
which I think is actually accurate. I think the president
has to fire her at any rate.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
They went back and forth.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
A couple of other people resigned in protest because the
newly placed CDC director was being let go. And now
you have a lot of New York Times stories along
the lines of can the CDC survive.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
How a big deal?
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
We have many thoughts about the CDC, But how big
a deal do we think this shakeup is?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
In real life?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Not a big deal in the media world, the biggest
deal that has ever dealt ever, And that really is
the divide between what is going on in our press
and what is going on in people's lives. I wrote
a piece, you know, several years ago now, and the CDC,
their performance during COVID was atrocious and the fact is
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we could have done better without having a cd see
during the worst time, the only time that we've ever.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Needed the CDC.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
And you know, and it's actually true, that's actually true
if you had removed me from them entirely.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Yeah, yeah, look, I you know, we've talked about it
on here, But before the pandemic, I wasn't like an
anti CDC person. I wasn't an anti public health official.
I just saw that in a time where we needed
them to perform, they absolutely failed.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And then why do we need them? So these firings
or resignations, force resignations don't bother me at all. I
think a lot of these people deserve it.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
And they're anti science largely we'll get into one of
the cases in particular.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
But yeah, the fact that the media is so angry about.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
It does not make it a real story, does not
make it important in people's lives.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, I should note that the sky is falling. Will
the CDC survive? Piece is written by a poor Vamende
Villi who is a famous liar and dupe.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
And she is covid era.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
She is the New York Times Health public health reporter.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
She's very, very bad.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
So awful that all should be taken with a grain
of salt. I will say.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I'll just say to people listening, look up a porva
plus corrections on Google and enjoy your time looking at
her work.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
If you've got a lot of time.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
No, I agree with you that, And I think the
way you put it about the CDC is helpful because
I think you're right that basically, without them, we would
have done a better job during the during the pandemic,
which is why when the people who resign go on
TV and say this will harm people, we will not
be prepared for the next outbreak, I say, will it.
(11:42):
I'm sorry, what show me where you were prepared for
the last outbreak? Show me where you told the truth
about the last Outbreak.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
By the way I bought the hype.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I believed the movie Outbreak that the CDC was full
of geniuses right, and it indeed might be in parts.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
But what I saw of the CDC was a bunch
of lies, a bunch of.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Ideologically driven, propatized ye a bunch of politicized terrible advice.
And my friend Kelly from Georgia, who is a mom
who's good at math, flagging the CDC for messing up
basic statistics regularly and saying, hey, I need you guys
to fix this, and eventually they would never giving credit
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to the mom in Georgia who's correcting them.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Can we put her in the shakeup somewhere exactly?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Her handle on X is Kelly with an E y
kg A must follow.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yes, So that's what I saw during the pandemic. And
then one of the guys who has now left, so
this is Dimitri Daslacis. I believe he was in charge
of the monkey pocks response after COVID and this was
(12:58):
the first time I ever heard of this eyes when
I saw this clip telling us how we should deal
with monkey pocks and see if you can find a
slight difference between the way that it's treated pay closed
and it's treated.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Yeah, I work in HIV normally, and I'll tell you that.
You know, I always say that I've never made an
HIV diagnosis, and someone that hasn't somehow related to stigma.
I think mpox is the same. So really, stigma tends
to be a barrier to testing, a barrier to vaccination,
and so you know, really addressing stigma intentionally and making
sure that we get the word out in a way
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that supports people's joy as opposed to you know, calling
them risky. So I think, you know, one of the
things to think about is that, you know, one person's
idea of risk is another person's idea of a great
festival or Friday night for that matter. So we have
to sort of embrace that with joy and make sure
that folks know how to keep themselves safe.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
So let me just.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
During a monkey Pock's outbreak, which is a sexually transmitted infection,
we are going to do harmard and value group sex
as a place.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Of joy, something you just have to have sometimes.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
But during COVID, yeah, we're going to.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Shut schools for the least at risk population and churches
and churches and tell you that there is no joy
in a backyard barbecue and we will be having none
of that.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
And seeing your family is just not that important. Yes,
having group sex on a Friday night that you need,
but seeing grandma less, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Prevalent or that's not a joy we need to honor.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
So that's the first time I heard of this guy
when the monkey Pocks outbreak happened, and so I shed
few tears for his exit, and he also referred to
pregnant people in his exit resignation letter. And then he's
gone on, Like I will say, look, doctor Mark Siegel,
(14:51):
who is a Fox News contributor who did the big
weekend show with me last night, said this guy has
been good at things, working in HIV and working in
infectious diseases, and he's, oh, okay, fine, that may be
the case. He is the worst, absolute worst spokesperson for
telling me why he should be at the CDC because
he is doing every other political story he can get
his hands on, talking about transitions, talking about stuff that
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has nothing to do with what he's allegedly good at,
and that makes me think that he did a lot
of that on the job.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Exactly, you know. I look, maybe Mark is right, but
I don't care. I don't care because somebody who thinks
that there can be pregnant non women is not somebody
we want in positions of medical authority in this country.
And that's really what it keeps coming down to. If
we have ideologues on the right that push a political
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message in health organizations, like blatant political messaging, I think
the left would understand what the problem is, but because
it's their own messaging, they literally can't see what the
issue is.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
So what pregnant people? Why can't we say pregnant people? Well,
because women are the only ones who can get pregnant.
That's why. That's why you can't say pregnant people.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
And again, don't feel at all sorry for him. I
think that this is a case of you flew too
close to the sun. You wanted to be a political actor.
Now you are a political actor, You're on all the shows.
Congratulations to you, but you can no longer have the
medical job right.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I will say this about reshaping the CDC, I think
that Trump has a great opportunity to rebuild trust in
public health. RFK Junior was obviously a very controversial pick.
I understood that he needed leeway for that. Do I
think he's the best pick?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I don't like you.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And I have talked about how we prefer Marty McCarey,
how we like Jay Vadicharia, how we like Vene Pissad,
who was put back in his position.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
There is an opportunity to staff with people who were
smart during the pandemic, who spoke up and were brave
about it, who are critical thinkers.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
And to do it their background, to do it in.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
An orderly way. And my concern is on again, we
have a staffing dust up that is.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Like, this woman was just put in place by you
guys a month ago. By the way, all the Democrats
on the Hill who didn't vote for her are now like,
oh my gosh, she's amazing.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
We must have here.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
No, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Like, who's in charge, who's making the decisions? How are
you remaking this organization? Let's think about that and do
it well. Because I believe that you're up against some
bad forces. I believe that many of these people should go.
I would like you to see it. I would like
to see it done in a way that makes me
feel confident about where you're headed.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
That's right, Let's follow Mary Catherine's plan.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
One more note.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
You and I looked this up because we couldn't quite
remember what happened, But two FDA officials who specialized in
vaccines left during the ongoing discussion of COVID vaccines and
the somewhat controversial issuing of mandates to young people, particularly
young men who were getting my card artists, we know
that health officials hid real facts about the efficacy of
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the COVID vaccine. They hid the risks to young men
for myocharditis when they knew about it.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Two of those folks resigned, and somehow that wasn't a
big story.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
It was just like, I guess these I guess these
people just aren't interested in public health and we'll move
on without the peak of their kind of importance.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
They just didn't want to be there anymore for some reason.
Nobody knows why.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Nobody knows why.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
And when it comes to discussing vaccines, which we're going
to be doing, and I think RFK has some bad
ideas on because like much of the research on the
on the autism vaccine front was explicitly faked by a
guy and I know that the data was faked by him,
So I don't I don't like that being part of
the discussion.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Do I want to have a discussion?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Sure, go ahead, right, but again, lefties have to just
erase the entire last five years to tell you that
the CDC and the FDA and ACIP, which is the
vaccine group that approves everything, they're doing just a peachy
keen job, right.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Yeah, they just want to get to like the best
health outcomes. There's no political anything going on there.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
No no no like as our good friend Political Math
with Shapiro notes on Twitter, the experts at ACIP in particular,
that was supposed to be the independent group that reviews vaccines,
they allowed themselves to get bullied by a deceitful CDC
in the Biden administration. They recommended an untested vaccine booster
against their better judgment and allowed the CDC in the
Biden administration to box them into the corner. There are
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consequences for that, and sometimes that looks like an overhaul
at your agency, like.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
The Sorry, not that Sorry.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
We'll be right back with a story on how conservatives,
those dastardly conservatives, trick the liberals into not having children?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
How dare we marry Catherine?
Speaker 3 (19:49):
We have amazing powers.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Be right back. We're back on normally. We're A columnist
and chief data.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Reporter at the Financial Times, John Byrne Murdoch had a
thread over the last few days where he said that
progressives need to start talking about the birth rate problem.
His original tweet said, for all the talk of a
general fallen berths, the drop is overwhelmingly driven by people
on the left having fewer kids. By seating the topic
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of family and children to the right, progressives risks ushering
in a more conservative world.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Now. First of all, we all saw this coming like.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
This is insanely not news, And the fact that the
left is just realizing this is another tell that they
don't listen to us at all, So it could not
have been us talking them into not having children. For
years and years, James Toronto at The Wall Street Journal
would highlight something called the Row effect, where more people
on the left were having abortions, therefore more people on
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the right were having kids and fewer people on the
left were having kids, and that this would inevitably usher
in a more conservative populist You don't always follow your parents' politics.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Listen. No, I understand that, but you do a lot
of the time. And there is definitely a.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Correlation between the political opinions of your parents and the
political opinions of your kids. So it was coming all along,
and the fact that this is now a something that
the left is discovering is wild.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, Like, we didn't bring this on you.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Guys, right, We tried to make you listen.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Well, And that's what Tim Karney, who wrote a great
book called Family Unfriendly, that's about during society, American society
a little bit more back towards families so that we
can help them make it easier to have more children.
He noted that, like, I've been talking about Natalia for years, yeah,
and policy solutions and inviting the left to have that
discussion with me. But the left has really painted itself
(21:54):
into a corner because they look at people like me
or you who are over replacement level, right, and they
say that's irresponsible.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
They think it's bad.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
They think they'll say you can't get give enough attention
to each child. They'll say that you can't, you're putting
a burden on other people by having this many. In fact, no,
if you actually want the social programs that you guys want,
you have to have my kids someday to be tax
fodder for you.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
So I so just like remember that.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
But yes, it, of course not every kid becomes whatever
political affiliation was. But many kids who are growing up
in a three plus kid household, are raised in a faith,
are practicing that faith on a regular basis.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Are likely to become more right of center than left.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Just given that, and that will pay dividends to right
leaning candidates in the future.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I mean, that's just it. That's just a fact, guys.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Just a fact.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
His last tweet in the thread originally said the greatest
trick right ever pulled was convincing the left that talking
about families and children is conservative coded. He, to his credit,
changed that last tweet to I fear many progressives have
convinced themselves that talking about families and children is conservative coded.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Because that's actually what happened.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
We were like, guys, everybody should be having more children,
and I have to admit at some point a few
years ago, I was like, wait, why am I pitching
this to progressives Like they're fine, don't have children, what
do I care? I don't care. So I did slow
down on that, but we did still keep bringing the
alarm that we were, you know, getting to the place
(23:38):
where we were below replacement rates. It does change the
fabric of your country when you're not having enough children.
I've seen it happen in other countries, Scotland for example,
my beloved Scotland. They're just it is a difference in
the way that the country sees itself, the way that
they look at their future, the way things that are
important to them change because having kids.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So who really cares, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
No, it is.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Having kids is a gauge for your optimism for the future.
And if you're a if you're part of a left
leaning group who has a lot of climate anxiety, who
is told that it is a certain doom if you
bring your children into this world, of course you're going
to have fewer them. And anecdotally, I would say it's
very clear between and I have a lot of liberal
friends and I have a lot of conservative friends. The
(24:26):
conservative woman friends in my life, I think over the past,
my oldest is twelve. There's one girl group who has
had like seventeen children since the time that she was born,
or no, not even since she was born, Like in
the last seven years, and it's very different with my
friends on the left and you know, have one or two,
(24:47):
it's just a very different yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Right, yeah, have the baby's friends have the babies well.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
And one more thing as this we've talked about in
the past, this demographic part of it, the fact that
Democrats were relying on demographics's destiny, right, that is the
Obama pitch that like, now, we have a country that
is full of it's diverse, and it's full of black
and brown people who are never going to vote for Republicans.
(25:16):
And then Trump went and made an argument to those
people and they started voting for him.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
So there are several demographic.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Fronts that are not going well for Democrats, including one
more the twenty thirty census that we've talked about, where
the migration to red States is going to change the
way that we do the math on the electoral college
and the representation in Congress, and that three for.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Not great for the left.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Yeah, which you know from our perspective over here, you
did it to yourselves. And yes, you know, once.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Again we didn't trick you.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
This is the segment, the second segment of I don't
feel sorry for you, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
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Speaker 2 (25:58):
Get in touch with us.
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