May 15, 2025 • 27 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz discuss the chaotic political landscape, focusing on the media's portrayal of Joe Biden and the contrasting style of President Trump. They explore the implications of Biden's presidency, the role of the press in shaping public perception, and the ongoing challenges in foreign policy, particularly in the Middle East. The conversation also touches on the intersection of fashion and political identity, highlighting how personal style can reflect broader political affiliations. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, we are back on normally the show with normal
it takes for when the news gets weird.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I am very Cathern Kant, I am Carol Marcowix. This
has been It is a really long week.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
And I'm not even like trapesing through the Middle East.
I know, just.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Early halfway through it. It's because it starts the week's
start on Saturday or Sundays. He starts breaking news, right
and then yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, Donald Trump, can you let us have some time
off because this is a lot. It's a lot and
all the time.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
You thought you wanted to switch it up from Biden,
but you we even though we've been through this before,
you didn't know how much get.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yes, this second term is way more hectic than the first.
And I could use some Trump at the golf course
days to be to be really honest with you, I
see that those are my mental health days.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yes. Could I have like pitched to people who are
closer to the White House than I am that he
talks so much and he does so many events that
if they would just put them on a podcast feed,
I would just have that running in my house and
folding laundry all the time, So I would actually get
to hear everything he says instead of hunting down each
individual thing. But that would be that would be someone's
(01:20):
full time job, right, just ripping Trump audio, putting it
on a podcast mark it would.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Be the number one listen to podcasts in the country.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I think Joe Rogan, who you know, I think he
would do well. That's the way to pitch it to him.
Would you like the number one podcast in the country, sir?
Lots of money? Oh, you guy have to have to.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Take ad breaks for like relief factor, but other than that,
but yeah, it is.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
A striking contrast to the last president, who is our
first story today.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Joe Biden not doing well during the presidency. I didn't notice.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Well, there's some breaking new, Carol. I'm going to give
you about a minute of the NBC Nightly News last night.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Last night. This is a twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Okay, twenty twenty five, this is the NBC night Leaders.
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Meanwhile, there are damaging new details tonight about former President Biden.
A new book alleges serious concerns about his mental acuity.
Gab Gutierrez joins US now and gay President Biden's team
is now responding to this reporting.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
That's right, Leicester.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
According to an excerpt from the new book obtained by
NBC News, it was quote obvious to many at a
fundraiser last summer that then President Biden did not know
who George Clooney was, even though they were longtime acquaintances
in Clooney is one of the most famous men in
the world. The book, by journalist Jake Tapper and Alex
Thompson goes on to say former President Obama, who was
(02:49):
also at the event, had to hop in and finish
sentences for Biden during photo ops. In separate excerpts, the
author's right that Biden would forget the names of longtime
aids and that there were internal discussions about putting the
president in a wheelchair in a second term. At the time,
the White House publicly defended the president's fitness for office.
(03:09):
A Biden spokesperson now says the authors did not fact
check the book with them, adding we continue to await
anything that shows where Joe Biden had to make a
presidential decision, or where national security was threatened, or where
he was unable to do his job.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
He was a very effective president.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Breaking Carol, you know, I look at their faces I'm
a poker player, and I'm always looking for little tells
of when people are lying. I can't find that Lester
or Gabe are lying in that clip. They really think
this is news. I think that they really believe that
he was okay. I don't know what else to say.
(03:48):
I don't see the lying face on them. I do
see it in other people. However, I enjoy.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
The Biden team's assertion that y'all should have fact checked this.
You got to run this by us, right not? I mean,
those days are apparently gone now that you're dispensable.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Well, I don't know about that. Our old friend Brian
Stelter tweeted today that Jake Tapper said many of the
sources for original sin book wouldn't be candid with us
until after the election, and Brian adds, well, sorry, Tapper ads,
Thus we now have facts about what was really going
on behind the scenes, with details about the Democrats wouldn't
(04:25):
share with us until after election day. They didn't have
the facts, Mary Catherine, nobody told them the people. The
next thing, you know, in the White House didn't tell them.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The next thing NBC Nightly News is going to tell
me is that Trump wasn't a Russian plant, or that
Hunter Biden was not in fact an international expert and
renowned artists, or or that maybe schools didn't actually need
to be closed. All this breaking news and it could
come to pass. I mean, we were reaching sort of
ludicrous levels of media reporting on media finally noticing what
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eighty percent of Americans noticed in two I just I
understand that there are more details now. I also the
details that they're debuting are not the details I want
at all.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
If you want to know who was running the country,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
If you have access to these people. I need to
know who was the president. That's what I need to know.
Not I don't need to know when George Clooney got
embarrassed enough about the president that he needed to write
it out bad. That's not what I need to know, right.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
It's funny that him not recognizing George Clooney brought down
to his straw. And you know, I've said this on
the show before, but as I get older, I am
so bad with faces and names, Like I just so
I hear you, Joe Biden, who could recognize George Clooney.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So there's a great part actually in this excerpt that
ran in the New Yorker that has an aid walking
Joe Biden around and like this happened a lot. Is
the thing. You could see it with your eyeball. Someone
was walking him around and the way he's walking him
around in this retelling of it at this fundraiser where
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they're raising tens of millions of dollars for this guy
to be president for another four years, he's introducing him
to folks and he's like, going down the lines, I
thank of an like for Renner, and then he says,
you know George, right, Like that's how he introduces him
to George Clooney because like Grandpa needs to be reminded
who George is. And he's clear, it's very clear he
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doesn't know who George is. And he's like, Grandpa, George Clooney. Fact,
he's like and he's like, ah, yeah, George, I know you.
It's just all so on the nose. Uh. And that's
why none of the back covering or like the covering
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of it now doesn't make up for them, because every
voter could see this, right, You could see it happening,
and the reporters themselves on many a network at that event.
The one where we saw Obama lead Biden off stage
and we were like, oh, that seems bad. They were
like no, no, no, Jeep makes fit as a fiddle.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Look, they only have two options, right, They were either
lying to us or they were blind. So I will
accept either one of those that they just completely didn't
want to see what was in front of their faces.
I only accept that though, if they admit they're part
of a left team and they are their tag group,
the Democrats. Fine, you didn't see it because you didn't
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want to see it. Because you didn't you weren't told
to see it. It's because you're on a squad with
the Democrats. That's why admit it, and we can all
move on from here.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Well, and here's the thing that's very useful to have
going on right now. If you're looking for the energy
that this press corps can put into a health issue
for a politician if they find him inconven please look
into the coverage of John Fetterman this week, which when
he was a lefty that they approved of was oh,
he's so brave for seeking treatment, he'll recover fully. And
(08:12):
now that he's inconvenient, we're looking at five six hit
pieces a week on John Fetterman. So that's what it
looks like when they want to cover something like this.
In this case, I think you're right, Carol, that the
group think and the demands of being ideological fellow travelers
meant that they were like, we're good, I see nothing.
(08:33):
And another part of this that I think helped create
this situation is that in order to be a good
ideological fellow traveler in twenty twenty and twenty one, when
he started his when he had his campaign and the
beginning of his presidency, what do you have to do
never see anyone in person? So good lib reporters were
all like, oh, obviously we can have no access to
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the president. That's aokay with us. We couldn't be good
libs if we didn't, if we were trying to give
our COVID, you know. They so they created this environment
that in order to be a good LIB you protect
Joe Biden. And the way you protect Joe Biden from
COVID is also to protect go to make Joe Biden
from reporting. Isn't that neat? Isn't that neat? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Unfortunately they kept that going into like twenty twenty three
and twenty twenty four and he rarely answered questions, and
they didn't seem to mind. It became like, why are
you wanting us to ask the president questions?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
What kind of you? Yeah? Well, and there's the one
last part of it, which you're you're right, they should
just say like, look, this is why we missed it.
You should name names of who lied to you, if
people in the White House were lying to you, because
again I want to know who was doing that. And
then the last part is you got to apologize for
having smeared everyone who didn't make the same mistake. That's right,
(09:54):
that no, but like that would be part of the reckoning, right.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
You know, Alex Thompson, who is the co author on
this book, was actually decent on this question. He actually
was asking whether the president had simply, you know, reached
the point where he was toold to run for reelection.
He was, but his co author Jake Tapper less so.
And there's a segment where Jake tears into Lara Trump.
(10:21):
And it's funny because yesterday Alex Thompson tweeted clips of
Jake Tapper saying like kind of saying, people are asking
whether the president is all there. People are saying that
maybe he's not. But what Alex Thompson said was setting
aside the Laura Trump segment, Well, you can't set that aside.
(10:42):
I'm sorry, that's a really big segment where you saw
Jake Tapper try to get around the issue and accuse
her of lying or spreading falsehoods about Biden's situation.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Well, and the argument in that clip and many others
throughout the years was it's a stutter, and I'm sorry
it wasn't a stutter. Stutter, even if it was less
bad in twenty twenty, which would be a mitigating factor
a little.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Bit, it wasn't a stutter, right, It just wasn't.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
We could you could see him get off Marine one
and not know how to walk into his own house
like that is a problem. And there were plenty of
people who were frank about it early, right, and should
get the plaudits that journalists are now getting for finally answering.
Alex Hampson, by the way, also did actual reporting on
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like the kind of shoes they had put him in
and how they were working with his gait. And then
I'm just going to reiterate it doesn't really matter about
his gait or whether he was in a wheelchair, if
his brain worked and he was able to do the job,
he wasn't doing the job right.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You know, I have to find this clip. But like
when he was vice president with Barack Obama, so you
know this has to be pre twenty sixteen. He spoke
to middle schoolers. Tom Elliott posts live tweeted it at
the time. I don't even think he posted a clip.
But he ends up like ranting and raving to these
middle schoolers about like oil companies and like the just
(12:19):
nonsense things that like, no, the children are sitting there,
like what are you saying? And this is before Trump's
first term, so yeah, it only got progressively worse from there.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
There's one thing that's like telling in this piece, in
this excerpt that maybe they're not truly reckoning with it,
is that they put it in Clooney's perspective. But they
say Biden gave a rousing State of the Union address
in March of twenty twenty four, and I'm like, that
wasn't good. That wasn't a good I know where bar
(12:51):
is low, yes, but when he gave that speech, you know,
I always say that like they found a way to
sort of respute in him to where he needed to
be most of the time. And that was one of
the nights where they like, he was out there, he
was shouting, he was doing shout whisper, he was going
to a big shout, he was doing the whole thing,
and like, yes.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I'm a shout whisper.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
He did say the words, but it was not a
good speech. This is not a speech by a guy
who you went like, yeah, he needs four more years,
and that the idea that we were still sort of
being fooled in March of twenty twenty four, when a
lot of us were like, h right, no, no, no, yeah,
I mean you bypassed your primary season. But that's not
(13:32):
our fault.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Right, They did that on purpose. I mean, let's be
real about that too. They could not move Kamala Harris
off the stage. I don't know how they were planning
to do that. It's funny because I you know, I
got stuff right. I like to repost my column from
twenty twenty two saying that something's wrong with the president,
but I got stuff wrong. I didn't think Biden, sorry,
(13:56):
I didn't think Biden would step down. I didn't think
he would not run. I thought I thought he would
make it to the end. And Buck Sexton, who had
the same prediction I did, likes to say we were right.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
He did run, he just didn't finish the race. And
he didn't he didn't even run. He didn't even really
step down, so exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Like maybe he knew he stepped down, maybe he didn't.
But the thing was that I knew that they could
not replace him with Gavin Newsom or I don't know.
There was all these crazy ideas Michelle Obama, it was
going to be Kamala Harris no matter what. And I
was like.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Oh, they're not going to do that.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
That's a crazy thing for them to do.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So yeah, I am enjoying. I am enjoying the debate
that they're having. You know, the the Lebron Jordan Goat
debate is always very interesting because they both have they're
both incredible. They're both incredible. I'm a Jordan gal myself,
and so it's a it's an interesting debate because you
can continue to talk about it forever. This is like
(14:56):
that but worst of all time, because both of them
were so bad that they're like, oh, well, she only
needed more time. If she'd had more time, I think
she would have done worse. She needed least time, and
He's like, I totally could have beat him, and I'm like, no,
you couldn't. You were much further behind than her, and
she's terrible.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Right, Yeah, I still think Biden would have done better
than she did. I know I do, because he was
despite being not with it and the fact that he
was definitely losing it. I think people trusted him and
they knew him in a way that they just didn't
know her. And I think that's what they mean when
they say she needed more time to gain the voter's trust.
(15:38):
I just don't think she would have because she was
not capable of it, right, the whole like not going
on Joe Rogan wasn't about going on Joe Rogan. She
could not talk for two hours, she could not talk
for an hour.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
She couldn't right, she wouldn't be able.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
To do any of that without making some major major gaffs.
So I mean she had less time, she had a
better shot.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
As from a liberals point of view, just like you know,
they can't imagine how anyone would ever see Trump as
an option, So just from their point of view, if
you're arguing about these two Yeah, just know that she
was so bad as vice president that she lost a
plausibility contest with Donald Trump, right, and that he lied
so much about his own condition that he lost a
(16:20):
character argument to Donald Trump. That's the answer here we are.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, yeah, well, speaking of Donald Trump, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
They've really got it all together now. I will say
I am glad, even though it's belated, and even though
it's because Biden is disposable at this point, I do
appreciate that there will be more of a record of
what went down. I wish it was more in the
nitty gritty of who was running the White House and
who was running the country. And I hope we get
some of that as this process goes on, because unfortunately,
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the way the situation works is the people who have
the access are the ones who get that story. And
we do need to know for history what was happening there,
and the American people need to know, don't forget that
it happened.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I think I'm waiting for a staffer book. The first
staffer book is going to be I think a big one,
just because somebody give us a banger. Yeah, somebody's got
to be willing to break that code of silence. They
might have trouble working in democratic politics again though, So.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I don't know. It's not like the Bidens are beloved
and Biden help these people out. No, he's got he's
got children to pay for.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Still, it's hard to see them telling the true story,
being honest, and still getting to hang around democratic politics.
So they have to be willing to take a leap.
Come on, staffers, do it, do it? Do it.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
They don't have to pay for a Jake Sullivan book.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Well, we'll be right back on normally. Well, the President
continues his Middle East tour. I thought he gave a
really good speech in Saudi Arabia. I like that speech.
I don't know if I'm hearing things that other people
aren't hearing, but I didn't hear an isolationist speech, and
(18:04):
I certainly didn't hear an anti Israel speech. Two things
that I saw mentioned a lot on X I heard
a president say that America will stand with their allies
and hopes to make new allies. I'm okay with all that.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, I'm very open to Donald Trump's philosophies in the
Middle East because last time around you got the Abraham Accords. Yeah,
you moved you moved the embassy. What was the thing
we were always told you moved the embassy. It's World
War three, right, the embassy can't be in Jerusalem. It's
the end of the world. And he does it. It's
(18:40):
like me and then it's done. Yeah, And it's been
there ever since, and it should have been there from
the beginning. So when when he wants to think differently
about the Middle East, I am very open to that,
totally so. And when he talks to different people, I
think he you know, like we've talked about many times,
he loves to be loved and that is a that
is an issue particular with royalty. If I love to
(19:02):
be loved. And also someone brought a mobile McDonald's around
with me while I was on my trip in sign Ravain. Yeah,
I gotta say I might be wooed, right, I didn't.
I did enjoy that.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Like the things that hold out hold out for bol Jangles,
I mean McDonald's, Maren Katherine, Hey, you know, I have
a wide variety of food that I would enjoy.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
So anyway, those are issues, but I do allow for
the idea that his weird thinking and outside the box
thinking way different than the diplomatic core in DC can
be beneficial to the United States of America. I love
that Dan Alexander is with his family. He's posting pictures
on social media, having beers in public places and loving. Yeah,
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it's a sin that every American doesn't know his name.
It really is, like that's been a wild thing about
post October seventh. Yeah, Americans trapped by terrorists in a
foreign land that attacked our ally. We don't know their names.
Regular Americans don't know their names because it just didn't
warrant coverage.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
It's really crazy, really unacceptable. Yeah. I like that he
was released without giving up any terrorists. My point of
criticism was in the first deal that Witcough helped negotiate,
I thought he should have been named number one America first,
guys America first, so the Americans should have been out first.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I think Wincoff makes me a little nervous. In general.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
He does, He definitely does. I don't trust him necessarily,
but I like in general on this issue, I'm open.
I am willing to be wrong. I want to be wrong.
I want him to be this incredible negotiator who fixes
all this. Nobody wants peace more than Israel does, so
(20:58):
if that's where this is headed, I would love for
it to happen for them. You know, we talked about
it in the last episode. There was rumor that Edon
was going to go to Kutar and meet with Trump there.
That didn't happen, you know that. Yeah, I said that.
I didn't think that that was going to happen. People
commented they liked that. I pointed out that Israel has
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a far left media just like we do, and you
have to take a lot of things that come out
of there with a large grain of salt. Another story
last week was that Trump was going to imminently recognize
the country of Palestine. That didn't happen. I mean, you
just we have to temper our news intake from there,
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just like we do from here. I will tell you
the story that I most loved from the Middle East
of this trip is Trump flat out saying to Syria
recognize the existence of Israel. Like that's a very trumpy
Who else does that?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Who else?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Guys? I think you should recognize Israel, know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
It's it's wild.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, it's very very chump.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, he's a different he's a different creature in these ways.
But yeah, I think Trump is a real conundrum because
what he does is he talks all the time. He
never almost never leaves anything off the table. So if
you ask him about a possibility, it doesn't matter how
crazy the possibility is. And this is what the press
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does sometimes, doesn't matter how crazy the possibility is or
how little he's going to engage in it, he just
doesn't want it off the table, right, And he's like, oh,
I wouldn't I wouldn't say one hundred percent, we wouldn't
do that. Like, if nuking the moon is an option,
I want it available to me right right.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Why would I take nuking the moon off the table?
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
So but as a result, you and I and the
press and people reading the press don't know which parts
to take seriously and which parts not. And then the press,
the binding itself up, makes it worse for everybody. So
we try our bat. I think you had some good,
good predictions the other day, and I'm glad to cant
that worked out that way.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
We're going to take a short break and come right
back with normally, I think we should turn to the
most important issue of the day, our sheath dresses. Maga.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I saw that, Heideline, and I was like, oh God,
The New York Times is just so good panting articles
for me and you to talk about on this show.
They're like, we heard this show normally likes to mock
this kind of thing. Let us give them some ammunition here.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
So this is sweet. Miriam has written into The New
York Times for some advice, and she says my style
can be described as modern, minimalist meets classic. I own
several sheath dressed dresses that fit and flatter, but when
I put them on now, they echo what I see
as Maga style. How can I restyle them without sacrificing
my aesthetic. It's like girls just put on a dress
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with like a leather jacket from us wear.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
A sheath dress however you want to wear it, and
double middle fingers to anybody who doesn't like it. I
just like, I don't know. There's like, there's so much
of this that I just don't understand why people change
because of politics. You know, there's the anti Israel protesters
use the watermelon to signify that they hate Israel or whatever.
(24:20):
I'm not not putting my kids like in a watermelon
bathing suit because of that.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I don't care what you think.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
It's my watermelon.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, And I don't understand how they just give up
the sheath dress. I wouldn't be like, oh, well, liberals
wear sheath dresses, so I'm not gonna wear it, even
though it looks good on me.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
A lot of li I wear a lot of lib clothing,
like I'm I can be very lib signally in my
giant jeans and T shirts. On the right of it
says there's a very specific look associated with women who
subscribe to the Trump worldview, one that is sort of
a cross between a Fox newscaster and Miss Universe, Thank
you very much. It generally involves flowing tresses, their at
(25:03):
least shoulder length. I hit that one. I guess, yes,
fairly false eyelashes, don't have those plumped up cheeks and lips,
high heels.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
And as you say, a sheath dress, she says it
it speaks to an almost cartoonish femininity that speaks to
a relatively old fashioned gender stereo type.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Please you know.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
And they put a picture of Lara Chump to illustrate it.
On She's unreal in that nuture.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
She looks so good, that's the thing her. So she's
got her she's got her guns out, and they are
guns and they look fantastic. And by the way, that's
not that's not a traditionally cartoonishly feminine look right to
have biceps and delts sticking out of your sheath dress.
But I happen to like that look. She looks great,
go Lara, right, it's just so silly. And by the way,
if this were liberals, they would never talk about their
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looks this way at all. Ever, there's a there's a
term that The New York Times says had maral Lago face,
which is like this way that they all look. But actually,
if you the ones that they list as as perpetrators
of this look, many of them look very different. Like Pandi,
Pambondi and Millennia look extremely different totally. Pam Bondi wears
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a pants suit all the time. She doesn't wear she's dressed.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Right, she doesn't do the jacket dress that Milania pulls off.
So well, no, that's exactly right. They don't look alike.
They only look alike when you're a crazy person. Writing
for The New York Times, and the advice that they
give to this woman is keep your hair natural or messy,
makes your makeup minimal and your heels low. Lady, they're
trying to make you look ugly.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Like they also say, shy away from red, white and blue.
Look y'all, stop letting us take pretty and patriotic from you.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Not a good move, so obvious, but like they just
keep falling for it.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
H Yeah, just like they did with We talked about
that lib streamer Hassan Piker, who they were like, this
guy's good looking. It signals maga. This is a cell phone.
Do not engage in this messaging. Have your sheaf dreath,
dress with your with your guns out, and look good.
If you're a little lady, go ahead and do it.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Do it.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Goodness gracious.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
I am very Cathern Kant, I am Carol Marcowix. This
has been It is a really long week.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
And I'm not even like trapesing through the Middle East.
I know, just.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Early halfway through it. It's because it starts the week's
start on Saturday or Sundays. He starts breaking news, right
and then yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, Donald Trump, can you let us have some time
off because this is a lot. It's a lot and
all the time.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
You thought you wanted to switch it up from Biden,
but you we even though we've been through this before,
you didn't know how much get.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yes, this second term is way more hectic than the first.
And I could use some Trump at the golf course
days to be to be really honest with you, I
see that those are my mental health days.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yes. Could I have like pitched to people who are
closer to the White House than I am that he
talks so much and he does so many events that
if they would just put them on a podcast feed,
I would just have that running in my house and
folding laundry all the time, So I would actually get
to hear everything he says instead of hunting down each
individual thing. But that would be that would be someone's
(01:20):
full time job, right, just ripping Trump audio, putting it
on a podcast mark it would.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Be the number one listen to podcasts in the country.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I think Joe Rogan, who you know, I think he
would do well. That's the way to pitch it to him.
Would you like the number one podcast in the country, sir?
Lots of money? Oh, you guy have to have to.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Take ad breaks for like relief factor, but other than that,
but yeah, it is.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
A striking contrast to the last president, who is our
first story today.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Joe Biden not doing well during the presidency. I didn't notice.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Well, there's some breaking new, Carol. I'm going to give
you about a minute of the NBC Nightly News last night.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Last night. This is a twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Okay, twenty twenty five, this is the NBC night Leaders.
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Meanwhile, there are damaging new details tonight about former President Biden.
A new book alleges serious concerns about his mental acuity.
Gab Gutierrez joins US now and gay President Biden's team
is now responding to this reporting.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
That's right, Leicester.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
According to an excerpt from the new book obtained by
NBC News, it was quote obvious to many at a
fundraiser last summer that then President Biden did not know
who George Clooney was, even though they were longtime acquaintances
in Clooney is one of the most famous men in
the world. The book, by journalist Jake Tapper and Alex
Thompson goes on to say former President Obama, who was
(02:49):
also at the event, had to hop in and finish
sentences for Biden during photo ops. In separate excerpts, the
author's right that Biden would forget the names of longtime
aids and that there were internal discussions about putting the
president in a wheelchair in a second term. At the time,
the White House publicly defended the president's fitness for office.
(03:09):
A Biden spokesperson now says the authors did not fact
check the book with them, adding we continue to await
anything that shows where Joe Biden had to make a
presidential decision, or where national security was threatened, or where
he was unable to do his job.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
He was a very effective president.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Breaking Carol, you know, I look at their faces I'm
a poker player, and I'm always looking for little tells
of when people are lying. I can't find that Lester
or Gabe are lying in that clip. They really think
this is news. I think that they really believe that
he was okay. I don't know what else to say.
(03:48):
I don't see the lying face on them. I do
see it in other people. However, I enjoy.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
The Biden team's assertion that y'all should have fact checked this.
You got to run this by us, right not? I mean,
those days are apparently gone now that you're dispensable.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Well, I don't know about that. Our old friend Brian
Stelter tweeted today that Jake Tapper said many of the
sources for original sin book wouldn't be candid with us
until after the election, and Brian adds, well, sorry, Tapper ads,
Thus we now have facts about what was really going
on behind the scenes, with details about the Democrats wouldn't
(04:25):
share with us until after election day. They didn't have
the facts, Mary Catherine, nobody told them the people. The
next thing, you know, in the White House didn't tell them.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The next thing NBC Nightly News is going to tell
me is that Trump wasn't a Russian plant, or that
Hunter Biden was not in fact an international expert and
renowned artists, or or that maybe schools didn't actually need
to be closed. All this breaking news and it could
come to pass. I mean, we were reaching sort of
ludicrous levels of media reporting on media finally noticing what
(04:56):
eighty percent of Americans noticed in two I just I
understand that there are more details now. I also the
details that they're debuting are not the details I want
at all.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
If you want to know who was running the country,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
If you have access to these people. I need to
know who was the president. That's what I need to know.
Not I don't need to know when George Clooney got
embarrassed enough about the president that he needed to write
it out bad. That's not what I need to know, right.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
It's funny that him not recognizing George Clooney brought down
to his straw. And you know, I've said this on
the show before, but as I get older, I am
so bad with faces and names, Like I just so
I hear you, Joe Biden, who could recognize George Clooney.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So there's a great part actually in this excerpt that
ran in the New Yorker that has an aid walking
Joe Biden around and like this happened a lot. Is
the thing. You could see it with your eyeball. Someone
was walking him around and the way he's walking him
around in this retelling of it at this fundraiser where
(06:07):
they're raising tens of millions of dollars for this guy
to be president for another four years, he's introducing him
to folks and he's like, going down the lines, I
thank of an like for Renner, and then he says,
you know George, right, Like that's how he introduces him
to George Clooney because like Grandpa needs to be reminded
who George is. And he's clear, it's very clear he
(06:30):
doesn't know who George is. And he's like, Grandpa, George Clooney. Fact,
he's like and he's like, ah, yeah, George, I know you.
It's just all so on the nose. Uh. And that's
why none of the back covering or like the covering
(06:51):
of it now doesn't make up for them, because every
voter could see this, right, You could see it happening,
and the reporters themselves on many a network at that event.
The one where we saw Obama lead Biden off stage
and we were like, oh, that seems bad. They were
like no, no, no, Jeep makes fit as a fiddle.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Look, they only have two options, right, They were either
lying to us or they were blind. So I will
accept either one of those that they just completely didn't
want to see what was in front of their faces.
I only accept that though, if they admit they're part
of a left team and they are their tag group,
the Democrats. Fine, you didn't see it because you didn't
(07:39):
want to see it. Because you didn't you weren't told
to see it. It's because you're on a squad with
the Democrats. That's why admit it, and we can all
move on from here.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Well, and here's the thing that's very useful to have
going on right now. If you're looking for the energy
that this press corps can put into a health issue
for a politician if they find him inconven please look
into the coverage of John Fetterman this week, which when
he was a lefty that they approved of was oh,
he's so brave for seeking treatment, he'll recover fully. And
(08:12):
now that he's inconvenient, we're looking at five six hit
pieces a week on John Fetterman. So that's what it
looks like when they want to cover something like this.
In this case, I think you're right, Carol, that the
group think and the demands of being ideological fellow travelers
meant that they were like, we're good, I see nothing.
(08:33):
And another part of this that I think helped create
this situation is that in order to be a good
ideological fellow traveler in twenty twenty and twenty one, when
he started his when he had his campaign and the
beginning of his presidency, what do you have to do
never see anyone in person? So good lib reporters were
all like, oh, obviously we can have no access to
(08:53):
the president. That's aokay with us. We couldn't be good
libs if we didn't, if we were trying to give
our COVID, you know. They so they created this environment
that in order to be a good LIB you protect
Joe Biden. And the way you protect Joe Biden from
COVID is also to protect go to make Joe Biden
from reporting. Isn't that neat? Isn't that neat? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Unfortunately they kept that going into like twenty twenty three
and twenty twenty four and he rarely answered questions, and
they didn't seem to mind. It became like, why are
you wanting us to ask the president questions?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
What kind of you? Yeah? Well, and there's the one
last part of it, which you're you're right, they should
just say like, look, this is why we missed it.
You should name names of who lied to you, if
people in the White House were lying to you, because
again I want to know who was doing that. And
then the last part is you got to apologize for
having smeared everyone who didn't make the same mistake. That's right,
(09:54):
that no, but like that would be part of the reckoning, right.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
You know, Alex Thompson, who is the co author on
this book, was actually decent on this question. He actually
was asking whether the president had simply, you know, reached
the point where he was toold to run for reelection.
He was, but his co author Jake Tapper less so.
And there's a segment where Jake tears into Lara Trump.
(10:21):
And it's funny because yesterday Alex Thompson tweeted clips of
Jake Tapper saying like kind of saying, people are asking
whether the president is all there. People are saying that
maybe he's not. But what Alex Thompson said was setting
aside the Laura Trump segment, Well, you can't set that aside.
(10:42):
I'm sorry, that's a really big segment where you saw
Jake Tapper try to get around the issue and accuse
her of lying or spreading falsehoods about Biden's situation.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Well, and the argument in that clip and many others
throughout the years was it's a stutter, and I'm sorry
it wasn't a stutter. Stutter, even if it was less
bad in twenty twenty, which would be a mitigating factor
a little.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Bit, it wasn't a stutter, right, It just wasn't.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
We could you could see him get off Marine one
and not know how to walk into his own house
like that is a problem. And there were plenty of
people who were frank about it early, right, and should
get the plaudits that journalists are now getting for finally answering.
Alex Hampson, by the way, also did actual reporting on
(11:38):
like the kind of shoes they had put him in
and how they were working with his gait. And then
I'm just going to reiterate it doesn't really matter about
his gait or whether he was in a wheelchair, if
his brain worked and he was able to do the job,
he wasn't doing the job right.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You know, I have to find this clip. But like
when he was vice president with Barack Obama, so you
know this has to be pre twenty sixteen. He spoke
to middle schoolers. Tom Elliott posts live tweeted it at
the time. I don't even think he posted a clip.
But he ends up like ranting and raving to these
middle schoolers about like oil companies and like the just
(12:19):
nonsense things that like, no, the children are sitting there,
like what are you saying? And this is before Trump's
first term, so yeah, it only got progressively worse from there.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
There's one thing that's like telling in this piece, in
this excerpt that maybe they're not truly reckoning with it,
is that they put it in Clooney's perspective. But they
say Biden gave a rousing State of the Union address
in March of twenty twenty four, and I'm like, that
wasn't good. That wasn't a good I know where bar
(12:51):
is low, yes, but when he gave that speech, you know,
I always say that like they found a way to
sort of respute in him to where he needed to
be most of the time. And that was one of
the nights where they like, he was out there, he
was shouting, he was doing shout whisper, he was going
to a big shout, he was doing the whole thing,
and like, yes.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I'm a shout whisper.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
He did say the words, but it was not a
good speech. This is not a speech by a guy
who you went like, yeah, he needs four more years,
and that the idea that we were still sort of
being fooled in March of twenty twenty four, when a
lot of us were like, h right, no, no, no, yeah,
I mean you bypassed your primary season. But that's not
(13:32):
our fault.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Right, They did that on purpose. I mean, let's be
real about that too. They could not move Kamala Harris
off the stage. I don't know how they were planning
to do that. It's funny because I you know, I
got stuff right. I like to repost my column from
twenty twenty two saying that something's wrong with the president,
but I got stuff wrong. I didn't think Biden, sorry,
(13:56):
I didn't think Biden would step down. I didn't think
he would not run. I thought I thought he would
make it to the end. And Buck Sexton, who had
the same prediction I did, likes to say we were right.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
He did run, he just didn't finish the race. And
he didn't he didn't even run. He didn't even really
step down, so exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Like maybe he knew he stepped down, maybe he didn't.
But the thing was that I knew that they could
not replace him with Gavin Newsom or I don't know.
There was all these crazy ideas Michelle Obama, it was
going to be Kamala Harris no matter what. And I
was like.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Oh, they're not going to do that.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
That's a crazy thing for them to do.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So yeah, I am enjoying. I am enjoying the debate
that they're having. You know, the the Lebron Jordan Goat
debate is always very interesting because they both have they're
both incredible. They're both incredible. I'm a Jordan gal myself,
and so it's a it's an interesting debate because you
can continue to talk about it forever. This is like
(14:56):
that but worst of all time, because both of them
were so bad that they're like, oh, well, she only
needed more time. If she'd had more time, I think
she would have done worse. She needed least time, and
He's like, I totally could have beat him, and I'm like, no,
you couldn't. You were much further behind than her, and
she's terrible.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Right, Yeah, I still think Biden would have done better
than she did. I know I do, because he was
despite being not with it and the fact that he
was definitely losing it. I think people trusted him and
they knew him in a way that they just didn't
know her. And I think that's what they mean when
they say she needed more time to gain the voter's trust.
(15:38):
I just don't think she would have because she was
not capable of it, right, the whole like not going
on Joe Rogan wasn't about going on Joe Rogan. She
could not talk for two hours, she could not talk
for an hour.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
She couldn't right, she wouldn't be able.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
To do any of that without making some major major gaffs.
So I mean she had less time, she had a
better shot.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
As from a liberals point of view, just like you know,
they can't imagine how anyone would ever see Trump as
an option, So just from their point of view, if
you're arguing about these two Yeah, just know that she
was so bad as vice president that she lost a
plausibility contest with Donald Trump, right, and that he lied
so much about his own condition that he lost a
(16:20):
character argument to Donald Trump. That's the answer here we are.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, yeah, well, speaking of Donald Trump, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
They've really got it all together now. I will say
I am glad, even though it's belated, and even though
it's because Biden is disposable at this point, I do
appreciate that there will be more of a record of
what went down. I wish it was more in the
nitty gritty of who was running the White House and
who was running the country. And I hope we get
some of that as this process goes on, because unfortunately,
(16:51):
the way the situation works is the people who have
the access are the ones who get that story. And
we do need to know for history what was happening there,
and the American people need to know, don't forget that
it happened.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I think I'm waiting for a staffer book. The first
staffer book is going to be I think a big one,
just because somebody give us a banger. Yeah, somebody's got
to be willing to break that code of silence. They
might have trouble working in democratic politics again though, So.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I don't know. It's not like the Bidens are beloved
and Biden help these people out. No, he's got he's
got children to pay for.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Still, it's hard to see them telling the true story,
being honest, and still getting to hang around democratic politics.
So they have to be willing to take a leap.
Come on, staffers, do it, do it? Do it.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
They don't have to pay for a Jake Sullivan book.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Well, we'll be right back on normally. Well, the President
continues his Middle East tour. I thought he gave a
really good speech in Saudi Arabia. I like that speech.
I don't know if I'm hearing things that other people
aren't hearing, but I didn't hear an isolationist speech, and
(18:04):
I certainly didn't hear an anti Israel speech. Two things
that I saw mentioned a lot on X I heard
a president say that America will stand with their allies
and hopes to make new allies. I'm okay with all that.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, I'm very open to Donald Trump's philosophies in the
Middle East because last time around you got the Abraham Accords. Yeah,
you moved you moved the embassy. What was the thing
we were always told you moved the embassy. It's World
War three, right, the embassy can't be in Jerusalem. It's
the end of the world. And he does it. It's
(18:40):
like me and then it's done. Yeah, And it's been
there ever since, and it should have been there from
the beginning. So when when he wants to think differently
about the Middle East, I am very open to that,
totally so. And when he talks to different people, I
think he you know, like we've talked about many times,
he loves to be loved and that is a that
is an issue particular with royalty. If I love to
(19:02):
be loved. And also someone brought a mobile McDonald's around
with me while I was on my trip in sign Ravain. Yeah,
I gotta say I might be wooed, right, I didn't.
I did enjoy that.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Like the things that hold out hold out for bol Jangles,
I mean McDonald's, Maren Katherine, Hey, you know, I have
a wide variety of food that I would enjoy.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
So anyway, those are issues, but I do allow for
the idea that his weird thinking and outside the box
thinking way different than the diplomatic core in DC can
be beneficial to the United States of America. I love
that Dan Alexander is with his family. He's posting pictures
on social media, having beers in public places and loving. Yeah,
(19:50):
it's a sin that every American doesn't know his name.
It really is, like that's been a wild thing about
post October seventh. Yeah, Americans trapped by terrorists in a
foreign land that attacked our ally. We don't know their names.
Regular Americans don't know their names because it just didn't
warrant coverage.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
It's really crazy, really unacceptable. Yeah. I like that he
was released without giving up any terrorists. My point of
criticism was in the first deal that Witcough helped negotiate,
I thought he should have been named number one America first,
guys America first, so the Americans should have been out first.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I think Wincoff makes me a little nervous. In general.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
He does, He definitely does. I don't trust him necessarily,
but I like in general on this issue, I'm open.
I am willing to be wrong. I want to be wrong.
I want him to be this incredible negotiator who fixes
all this. Nobody wants peace more than Israel does, so
(20:58):
if that's where this is headed, I would love for
it to happen for them. You know, we talked about
it in the last episode. There was rumor that Edon
was going to go to Kutar and meet with Trump there.
That didn't happen, you know that. Yeah, I said that.
I didn't think that that was going to happen. People
commented they liked that. I pointed out that Israel has
(21:21):
a far left media just like we do, and you
have to take a lot of things that come out
of there with a large grain of salt. Another story
last week was that Trump was going to imminently recognize
the country of Palestine. That didn't happen. I mean, you
just we have to temper our news intake from there,
(21:41):
just like we do from here. I will tell you
the story that I most loved from the Middle East
of this trip is Trump flat out saying to Syria
recognize the existence of Israel. Like that's a very trumpy
Who else does that?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Who else?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Guys? I think you should recognize Israel, know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
It's it's wild.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, it's very very chump.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, he's a different he's a different creature in these ways.
But yeah, I think Trump is a real conundrum because
what he does is he talks all the time. He
never almost never leaves anything off the table. So if
you ask him about a possibility, it doesn't matter how
crazy the possibility is. And this is what the press
(22:26):
does sometimes, doesn't matter how crazy the possibility is or
how little he's going to engage in it, he just
doesn't want it off the table, right, And he's like, oh,
I wouldn't I wouldn't say one hundred percent, we wouldn't
do that. Like, if nuking the moon is an option,
I want it available to me right right.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Why would I take nuking the moon off the table?
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
So but as a result, you and I and the
press and people reading the press don't know which parts
to take seriously and which parts not. And then the press,
the binding itself up, makes it worse for everybody. So
we try our bat. I think you had some good,
good predictions the other day, and I'm glad to cant
that worked out that way.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
We're going to take a short break and come right
back with normally, I think we should turn to the
most important issue of the day, our sheath dresses. Maga.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I saw that, Heideline, and I was like, oh God,
The New York Times is just so good panting articles
for me and you to talk about on this show.
They're like, we heard this show normally likes to mock
this kind of thing. Let us give them some ammunition here.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
So this is sweet. Miriam has written into The New
York Times for some advice, and she says my style
can be described as modern, minimalist meets classic. I own
several sheath dressed dresses that fit and flatter, but when
I put them on now, they echo what I see
as Maga style. How can I restyle them without sacrificing
my aesthetic. It's like girls just put on a dress
(23:55):
with like a leather jacket from us wear.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
A sheath dress however you want to wear it, and
double middle fingers to anybody who doesn't like it. I
just like, I don't know. There's like, there's so much
of this that I just don't understand why people change
because of politics. You know, there's the anti Israel protesters
use the watermelon to signify that they hate Israel or whatever.
(24:20):
I'm not not putting my kids like in a watermelon
bathing suit because of that.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I don't care what you think.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
It's my watermelon.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, And I don't understand how they just give up
the sheath dress. I wouldn't be like, oh, well, liberals
wear sheath dresses, so I'm not gonna wear it, even
though it looks good on me.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
A lot of li I wear a lot of lib clothing,
like I'm I can be very lib signally in my
giant jeans and T shirts. On the right of it
says there's a very specific look associated with women who
subscribe to the Trump worldview, one that is sort of
a cross between a Fox newscaster and Miss Universe, Thank
you very much. It generally involves flowing tresses, their at
(25:03):
least shoulder length. I hit that one. I guess, yes,
fairly false eyelashes, don't have those plumped up cheeks and lips,
high heels.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
And as you say, a sheath dress, she says it
it speaks to an almost cartoonish femininity that speaks to
a relatively old fashioned gender stereo type.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Please you know.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
And they put a picture of Lara Chump to illustrate it.
On She's unreal in that nuture.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
She looks so good, that's the thing her. So she's
got her she's got her guns out, and they are
guns and they look fantastic. And by the way, that's
not that's not a traditionally cartoonishly feminine look right to
have biceps and delts sticking out of your sheath dress.
But I happen to like that look. She looks great,
go Lara, right, it's just so silly. And by the way,
if this were liberals, they would never talk about their
(25:54):
looks this way at all. Ever, there's a there's a
term that The New York Times says had maral Lago face,
which is like this way that they all look. But actually,
if you the ones that they list as as perpetrators
of this look, many of them look very different. Like Pandi,
Pambondi and Millennia look extremely different totally. Pam Bondi wears
(26:15):
a pants suit all the time. She doesn't wear she's dressed.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Right, she doesn't do the jacket dress that Milania pulls off.
So well, no, that's exactly right. They don't look alike.
They only look alike when you're a crazy person. Writing
for The New York Times, and the advice that they
give to this woman is keep your hair natural or messy,
makes your makeup minimal and your heels low. Lady, they're
trying to make you look ugly.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Like they also say, shy away from red, white and blue.
Look y'all, stop letting us take pretty and patriotic from you.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Not a good move, so obvious, but like they just
keep falling for it.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
H Yeah, just like they did with We talked about
that lib streamer Hassan Piker, who they were like, this
guy's good looking. It signals maga. This is a cell phone.
Do not engage in this messaging. Have your sheaf dreath,
dress with your with your guns out, and look good.
If you're a little lady, go ahead and do it.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Do it.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Goodness gracious.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
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