February 18, 2025 • 28 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz discuss Margaret Brennan's take on free speech, and explore the implications of Germany's speech policing. They also touch on the USA vs Canada hockey rivalry and delve into the tradwife phenomenon, questioning the authenticity of online personas. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey guys, our friends, no fast Countryman. Welcome to Normally,
the show with normalist takes for when the news gets weird.
I'm Mary Katherine New.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And I'm Carol Markowitz. Him Mary Catherine, How was your weekend?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
It was good. I was in Austin for a bit
and saw Bridget Fetasye nice sat down with hers. That
was always a good time. I don't think we'd ever
met in person before, so fellow podcasting lady.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Right, she's awesome, she's good. Yeah, I love Austin. Actually
I know Austin's is the blue dot in the red state.
But it's always a good time over there.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
It's a good time. It was funny because it was
like forty two degrees and everyone was freezing button me,
which I never get to experience because I'm the wimpy
Southerner here. But in Texas, I was like, I'm fine,
I'm fine.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I did this thing on Friday where I took the
day off, and I know, you know, adults listening to
this know that you never really take a day off, right,
even when you're off from work, you're still thinking about
But every time I started to think about anything, I'd
be like, no, I'm focusing on my book. I'm looking
up at the sky. I'm not doing any errands today.
There are no sports like I'm just focusing on me.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
It was glorious. Actually, it set me up really well
for a really busy weekend. I love it, right, And yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Don't know how you managed no sports in one day,
but congratulations.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Well we had.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Six sports activities over the weekend. I should say one
of our kids had five of them.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
My gosh, he is such a killer.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
He's uh, he's something, all right, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Alrighty, shall we get to the news, in which we
talk once again about one of our least favorite characters
in the legacy media, Margaret Brennan.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Margaret, what are you?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Margret? What's happening? Margaret?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
You have fallen apart.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
You'll remember Margaret Brennan from cutting JD Vance's mic during
the vice presidential debate. You'll remember Margaret Brennan from having
her ass handed to her frankly, please every time jd
Vance shows up on her Sunday show. And now we
have Margaret Brennan asking Secretary of State Marco Rubio this question.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Well, he was standing in a country where free speech
was weaponized to conduct a genocide, and he met with
the head of a political party that has far right
views and some historic ties to extreme groups. The context
of that was changing the tone of it. And you
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know that that the censorship.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Disagree with you specifically about the right now, I have
to disagree with you. Free speech was not used to
conduct the genocide. The genocide was conducted by a Miraitarian
Nazi regime that happened to also be genocidal because they
hated Jews, and they hated minorities, and they hated those
that they had a list of people they hated, but
primarily the Jews. There was no free speech in Nazi Germany.
(03:11):
There was none. There was also no opposition in Nazi Germany.
They were a sole and only party that governed that country.
So that's not an accurate reflection of history.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I mean, what what?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
And you know, it's funny because Rubio is very diplomatic
over there.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Is I admire him keeping a straight face during that question.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yes, but I only think he was completely unprepared for that.
I've never heard anyone make the argument that free speech
was the problem in Nazi Germany before, and I was
quite surprised to hear it now, so I'm sure he
was also like wait what.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, now this was the free press. The free press.
Margaret Brennan's response over at CBS to jd Vance giving
a speech in German in Europe that said, Hey, you
guys actually don't do the free speech very well. You're
putting people in jail for online postings and tweets. You
(04:09):
have people who investigate people for praying outside abortion clinics,
although the Biden administration did some of that too, So
he's targeting a real problem that Europe has, where it
does not have a commitment to free speech in the
way that we do. Yeah, thank goodness for the First Amendment,
because I'm sure are lefties, as illustrated by Margaret Brennan
would be happy to take our free speech away. And
(04:33):
this is her response to him calling out Europe for
not having free speech, is like, well, didn't free speech
cause the Holocaust? Have you ever thought about that?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
It's just it's wild.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And so you had people on X defending her like
MSNBC vice president of Editorial and Booking Jesse Rodriguez, and
I should say Jesse and I follow each other, which
you know, immediately warms.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Me to people.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Right, of course, I was like, wait what he tweeted?
The Zazi regime used mass media, including newspapers, radio films,
and public speeches to spread anti Semitic conspiracy theories, to
humanize Jews and incite violence. I was like, they also
used trains to transport Jews to camps. Perhaps we should
blame the trains. And you know the thing is, they're
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not talking about free speech here, they're.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Just talking about speech. The Nazis used words. Perhaps we
should no longer use words lest we be like the Nazis.
Mary Catherine.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, there's a term for this called the Weimar fallacy,
which is the idea that, yes, hate speech quite clearly
did flourish in the preceding time to Nazism, but Germany
at that time had hate speech laws. They prosecuted people
for hate speech. And one of the historical findings is
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that in fact, that made a bunch of them murtyrs
and made that speech more interesting to people because it
was forbidden. It's so the whole thing is so laughably ignorant,
and I think it's reverse engineered by people in media
who think, well, speech I don't like and can't control,
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leads inevitably to Nazism, political violence, and genocide. Therefore, Nazis
liked free speech, you are a Nazi if you like
free speech? Is that in the state?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
What It's just, it's mind boggling. I tell this story
to the Normies in your life, because I did, and
it was just a very good time getting them to
hear this.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Britan went to UVA. Do you think there's any Thomas
Jefferson writings about the importance of free speech that she
could have perused during her time at that elite university.
I mean, it's actually amazing. But you know what is
somewhat surprisingly more amazing is that I watched the sixty
(06:55):
Minutes segment, another of our free American presses responses to
JD Vance's speech in Europe about Germany's speech police right now.
I mean, they literally have speech police in Germany, and
sixty Minutes does a feature on it. It is thirteen
(07:15):
minutes long. You should find it and watch the whole
thing to get a sense of where our press is
on this issue. I don't think there's a critical question
in the entire thirteen minutes, except at the very end,
where I was like Oh, she's going to get there.
She's going to say, should you be starring people in
jail for Facebook posts? Nope, that wasn't the question. Her
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question was, you know, there's just so much hate, is
it possible to really make a dent in it with
your arrests and prosecutions. That was the question that this
sixty Minutes reporter had. Throughout this feature. We find out
that insulting people in the street or on Facebook or
x or any social media is illegal in Germany. We
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find out that there are sixteen teams of prosecutors across
the country currently, you know, that's her question, currently working
on thirty five hundred cases. Sixty Minutes goes with the
German authorities, which is a very scary phrase in and
of itself, to a private home on a six am
(08:24):
raid with six armed officers over a Facebook post, at
which point they seize the phone and computer of this
private citizen. Again, the reporter doesn't have any questions about this.
In fact, she's like, she asked them, are people surprised
that this is illegal? When you go pick them up?
And the prosecutors sort of laugh like har har har, Yes,
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they think it's like crazy that we can take their phone,
but we take it.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
And this is our press media who is super concerned
about Donald Trump and our democracy and all of that
being supportive of this.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Well, this is the thing, right, is that I get
annoyed with Trump sometimes for making me stick up for
like the Associated Press, where I'm like, look on the
Gulf of America thing, you're doing viewpoint discrimination. You can't
do that, like figure it out. Don't bully people in
this way, even if I don't like this particular organization, right,
but you're telling me that these people have a commitment
(09:24):
to free speech. They do that. Yeah, they're happy with
the rember Nina Jankowitz of the Disinformation Governance born inside
the Department of Homeland Security that Biden created. They were
perfectly happy to have that woman decide what we could
say and what we could.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Not, right.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, And they spent the four Biden years like trying
to get social media to shut down speech that they
didn't like, and it ran the gamut from you know,
Hunter laptop, but also any skepticism on any part of
the COVID stuff, which obviously you know, yes, we're still mad, bro,
and an actual government, American government tried to get social
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media to curtail the speech of American citizens.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
So of course they're looking at Germany and.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Being like, wow, we could just seize their phones and
then they won't be able to say anything. Hahuh.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
This whole piece is just envy over Germany's speech policing laws.
And I think my favorite part, I think we can
play the clip. My favorite part is when the woman
says with a German accent that you know they're solving
this problem because people are scared to speak online about
their opinions. But she's saying they're scared to speak because
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there's not enough prosecution of speech. It's like, girl, you
are the problem.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
Free speech needs boundaries, and in the case of Germany,
these boundaries are part of our constitution. Without boundaries, a
very small group of people can rely on endless freedom
to say anything that they want, while everyone else is
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scared and intimidated.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
In your fears that if people are freely attacked online
that they'll withdraw from the discussion.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
This is not only a fear, it's already taking place. Already.
Half of the Internet users in Germany are afraid to
express their political opinion and they rarely participate in public
debates online anymore? Half of the Internet users.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Are they scared to speak because their neighbors going to
be mean to them or because they're going to get arrested?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Hard to say, yeah, yeah, she's like standing there with handcuffs, Like,
I don't know why they're scared, Like what my mind
was blown?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Watch it all if you get a chance this week. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
The clips that I've seen on x are just you know,
bad enough, but this sounds this sounds extra bad.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Like over at CBS, do they have German authorities coming
to educate them on how they could better police our speech?
Because that's what it seems.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Like, right, they're like, this is how we do it.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
You should do the same.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I is just and so again going back to the JD.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Van's speech, which was a great speech.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
And reiterated the values that I would think that our
liberals would before it became this whole Like, how dare
he talk to our allies that way? Well, our allies
are getting off the path of freedom and re expression.
It's okay to kind of nudge them back onto. Hey,
maybe people can say whatever they want online and maybe
you should just accept that.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I am just I know I shouldn't be shocked, Yeah,
but I am shocked. Yeah, but I am shocked that
a contemporary of mine, I believe Brendan and I are
the exact same age, went to American universities, were educated,
and basically the same way. She probably went to a
nice like private school. But you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
and at the end of that, you come out in
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journalism and this is your take on free speech, right,
but that so much of the left has just accepted
this as well, like we want to control the speech
because we do the good speech and you do the
speech right.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
And they think that's going to work, and I don't
think that it will. Actually, I think people know that
their speech is not the good speech is not just
one kind of speech that's the good speech.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
And our whole thing is based on freedom of speech.
Like look right into our constitution, look at the First Amendment.
And it's not a coincidence.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I think that our forefathers understood that this would be
a problem, that some people would think that their speech
is acceptable and your speech is not. So they preempted
all of that, and thank goodness for them.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well in COVID is such a good example of a
time when we weren't allowed to speak freely, and as
a result, we did not come to good conclusions right right,
because you have to be able to toss around some
ideas to come to correct conclusions to figure out what
truth is, and we were not allowed to do that
during COVID because of a German authority style censorship program,
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which again the media loves apparently.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Right, let's not follow Germany.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I like it's okay to say that, let's not follow
Germany day.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
That's really not, that's really not.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
We'll be right back on normally.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
The Libs cried a lot over JD Vance's speech, which
again I think it's powerful and good, and I love
the clarity of saying these are the things that are
important that we believe you guys are not observing these.
He also talked about mass migration, which is something that
you know, the normies of Germany and the rest of
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Europe listen to JD Vance and go, yeah, that is
something we need to work on, that these populations are
not assimilated, that we have no go zones in our
major cities in European capitals. So I like that he
speaks frankly, he is not doing the Biden thing, which
is just like me, We're America. I'm going to give
(14:53):
a Millie Mouse speech about like how we should probably
be like a little ashamed of ourselves. We're not doing that.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
It's a new era. It's a vibe shift, it is.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
And on Saturday night there was a whole other part
of the vibe shift, which was the USA Canada hockey
face off in the Four Nations tournament, hosted in Montreal. Montreal,
as you can imagine, of the Canadian cities, not the
most friendly to the Trump administration era America. Right, And look,
(15:26):
I want to say, Canada, I think it's fine for
you to be annoyed by this fifty first state time. Sure, yeah,
we like to see you annoyed by that. We like
to see you like and standing up for yourself, right,
I get it. Yeah, But they booed the national anthem
in Canada as the US played its first game against
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Finland on I think Thursday night. We beat Finland six '
to one. So when this booing happened, as you might imagine,
the New York Times was on it, right, Yeah, yes,
so Team USA angered motivated by booze from Montreal crowd
at four nations face off. Okay, so what I loved
(16:08):
about this story is they go to US hockey players
after having been booed in the like quarterfinals of this
of this event, to get I think what they thought
were going to be like nationalistic meathead quotes, and here's
what they get from these brash, ugly Americans. Are you ready? Yeah,
these guys are hockey players and they're here to play hockey,
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said American coach Mike Sullivan. They're also proud Americans, and
it's a privilege to represent your nation and all of
us that have the opportunity to participate and be part
of the US team. Okay, here's another one. It means
a lot to all of us. We just want to
play hockey, we want to compete, we want to represent
our nation in the right way. Okay, here's the most
edgy one. I didn't like it and that's all I've got. Okay,
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and then one more. JT. Miller, one of the teammates, says,
I think we like it, not politically, but maybe just
as a sense of we know what we're in Canada,
and I think that fires us up more than anything.
So it's great. Yeah, there we are there's our terrible
quotes from the terrible American right, uh, toxic masculine hockey players.
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So they go into another game Saturday night against Canada.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I heard there were a couple of fights in there.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
There were some booze during the anthem, and then there
were three fights in the first ninety seconds of this game.
So apparently they saved their talking for the ice. By
the way, can I just say one thing about hockey.
I I like hockey, but I'm not a huge follower
of it. Of course I am when I'm invested in
US beating Canada. The idea that A they let them
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fight like that is so fascinating, so funny. Yeah, and
B you're fistfighting on skates. That is wild ice.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I'm unbelievable, unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
So three fights very quickly. There was some talk after
the game that maybe that was planned by the US players,
like we're gonna drop our loves just to send a
message when we get out there. But they also said
another message was they beat Canada three to one.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I love that America when when they're when we're good
at sports, we don't care about.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
It's a thing.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
It's very fun, you know, and also like living in
Florida and Florida's hockey team.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
You know, the Panthers have been very good for the
last few years, and it's like very ellwoods get to
Harvard and being.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Like, what, like, it's hard what I have to say
about Canada.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
You know, they're they're having this resurgence of patriotism. That's great,
but they've always had this nationalistic thing. Like when you
travel around Europe and you have the Canadians with the
Canada flag on their backpacks because they don't want to
be mistaken for American, right, A few guys, you know, like,
we don't want to be mistaken for you either.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
So I do like the idea that like Canada and
Europe that somehow being like criticized them is off limits,
and that they've always been super super deferential to us. Yeah. Oh,
they're always picking on us and telling us we're terrible, Like, yeah,
but I did enjoy We just don't care. That's right.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Difference we are just like and who are you? What
country is that? I've never heard of?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
That one I did enjoy much like nineteen eighty when
we beat the Soviets in hockey and one of the
greatest upsets of all time. And you should watch the
movie Miracle about that. It's a great one. I do
love that there are nations in this world who are
really invested as their national identity and being very good
at hockey, and we're just like nah, nah.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
So I enjoyed one of our many sports that were
good at.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I had had two drinks, so I just started tweeting
like nonsense about Canada all night. It's great scoreboard, look
at the scarboard. Suddenly extremely invested in this Team America
exhibition game in Canada, so love it. Everybody's crying because
we won. I do believe there's another round of this tournament.
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All right. Maybe now that I'm very invested in hockey,
I should probably look into what's happening next. It was
a good time.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Now that we're huge hockey fans, huge, let's look at
that calendar and figure out when they're playing again.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I'll have an update on that.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
We're going to take a short break and come right
back with normally. Well, I think our last topic is
a quirky one. There is a story coming out right now.
So there's this thing called trad Wives.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
In case anybody's I'm unaware.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Of this term trad wife should just mean a traditional wife.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Like what I told the story to my husband, He
was like, and you're a trad wife, right, I'm like.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Not in the sense that they mean, no, I think.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
But no, yes, I would never touch the garbage. So yes,
a trad wife like that, but no, not like this.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
But the tradwife concept is submissive to her husband. And
that's where he's my husband. My husband starts laughing and says, right, exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
She only has.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Forty nine percent of the vote in our house, you know.
And the trad wife online is.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Kind of a caricature.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And I'm opposed to people living however they want. And
you know, having these.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Traditional roles and it works for your marriage, that's great.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
But some of these really go too far. And here
is the story of Patriarch Hannah. Patriarchy Hannah she was
is still a woman on the internet who has fourteen kids,
and she submits to her husband Tony, and they live
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in a large piece of land that she calls Tony Town,
and they build houses for their adult children so that
they don't leave the compound and.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
All of that. And basically, over the weekend, a guy
on the Internet, found out, figured out, delved into patriarchy Hannah,
and found that she does not exist. She is a
single woman living with her parents near where she claims
to have this fake Tony town. He got into the
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Google street viewed and satellite imagery.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
He found property records at the houses that she claims
are hers are not hers. And she started deleting posts
and that's kind of how you know you got them well.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
And for several years now, other people have brought up
this concern in the past, which is a tricky thing
to do because someone's asserting that they live this life
and they are this person, and you're not looking to
dos them, but you're looking to say, but are you
this person, particularly if you're accusing, if you're criticizing other
people for not living a proper trad life, that's tradwife life.
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We would like to have some evidence that you are
this person. And so a lot of people had had
questions about her, and she had turned on them online,
sometimes using personal information that they had had conversations about
through DMS or through phone calls against them because she
was protecting this vision of herself right right.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
And so that's the thing I think that when people
see a vision online. It's so important because we've gotten
to where I think we trust more online now because
we're able to tell kind of the bs right away.
But sometimes somebody can design this whole persona of fourteen kids.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Why would you lie about that?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
It's bizarro Well, and people started saying, like, she sure
is online a lot for homeschooling and having fourteen kids
and maintaining this household and doing all the things. And
it is a problem because I want to trust that
people are who they say they are. But we've had
multiple instances of this. For instance, they're often politically or
sort of ideologically motivated characters, such as the beleaguered COVID
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nurse who ends up not being a frontline worker at all,
And several of those were sussed out during that time.
But it is this weird line where the the person
that you're trying to figure out if they're the real
person is like, how dare you? Dare you question me?
But actually, if you're pushing something online, we should know
if you're real or not.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, you know, I think Bethany Mandel, our friend Bethany
has ruined this for me a little bit because she
has six kids at she homeschools, and she writes like
seventeen articles a week and special twenty five appearances, and
every time I like you see her, she's like, oh,
I started this new blink and it's like what, like what?
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And that's why I think people could believe that there's
some crazy lady with fourteen kids.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yes, actually you know what it is Bethany's fault. Bethany
has led.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Us down the path of like all of this is possible,
and look.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
At my marriage and like it's true.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
And it's just like I started a company and I
have a new substack and listen to my new thing
and it's like, girl, when when how do you do this? Right? Ethy? Really?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, I think that's the key. No, it's it is
the tradwife thing is is bizarre. And sometimes I'll sort
of stumble into conversations about what kind of wife I
should be, and I'm like, oh, when did we get here?
My gud is right? But I do have to say,
like the thing where magically your husband, you submit to
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your husband, he has all the right decisions made for you.
You would be perfectly content at all times, no problems.
I'm sure that's pretty easy if you make up your husband.
Yeah right, Like it's not a separate person who you
must submit to. It's just your figment of your imagination.
I could create somebody who I could agree with one
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hundred percent of the time, no problem.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yeah, that's a really good point. That that's it.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Also, I mean as a side note, but.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Like AI relationships are becoming more popular, like you're just
having a relationship with yourself.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
You're like, I have fallen in love with.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Me, yes, which like fair, you know, yeah, I am
very lovable.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
So now I just I think, you know, our other friend,
Emily Zanati, talks a lot about the tradwife stuff because,
you know, she she does a lot of those things.
She maintains a small little homestead farm with chickens and
all of that. She raises her three kids at home,
she cooks home cooked meals all the time. And one
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of the things she's intent on is sort of piercing
this idea that you can have this very picturesque perfect homesteading, homeschooling,
everything life. In fact, what's happening a lot of times
is that those trad wives are doing a very serious job,
putting in a lot of hours to make their life
look like that, right, so that they can then package
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it and sell it to everyone else, which no hate,
but let's be realistic about what's happening here. This isn't
how to stay at home mom. This is a work
from home.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Mom, right right.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
This is a mom who is putting a lot of
work actually into maintaining this perfect image. And they're always like,
you know, perfectly put together, and like my husband wanted
an apple pie, so I grew I grew an apple tree,
and then I picked like what, yeah, you know again,
live whatever kind of life you want. But just don't
(27:28):
assume the people that you see on the internet are real,
and they might not be.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, And also like watch out for people that you're
not sure are real slide in those dms and having
personal conversations with you, because this is not the normal
kind of sliding in the dms. This is a different
one where you're sort of, you know, supporting each other
through various stages of life. And I have a lot
of online friends with whom I've done that, and it
(27:54):
makes me a little wary about for sure you might
be interacting with in the future that you learn there's
this whole character was created, Yeah, be.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Careful out there kids. It's a wild, wild world.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Well, thank you for joining us on normally.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
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Speaker 3 (28:13):
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Speaker 2 (28:14):
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Hey guys, our friends, no fast Countryman. Welcome to Normally,
the show with normalist takes for when the news gets weird.
I'm Mary Katherine New.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And I'm Carol Markowitz. Him Mary Catherine, How was your weekend?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
It was good. I was in Austin for a bit
and saw Bridget Fetasye nice sat down with hers. That
was always a good time. I don't think we'd ever
met in person before, so fellow podcasting lady.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Right, she's awesome, she's good. Yeah, I love Austin. Actually
I know Austin's is the blue dot in the red state.
But it's always a good time over there.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
It's a good time. It was funny because it was
like forty two degrees and everyone was freezing button me,
which I never get to experience because I'm the wimpy
Southerner here. But in Texas, I was like, I'm fine,
I'm fine.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I did this thing on Friday where I took the
day off, and I know, you know, adults listening to
this know that you never really take a day off, right,
even when you're off from work, you're still thinking about
But every time I started to think about anything, I'd
be like, no, I'm focusing on my book. I'm looking
up at the sky. I'm not doing any errands today.
There are no sports like I'm just focusing on me.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
It was glorious. Actually, it set me up really well
for a really busy weekend. I love it, right, And yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Don't know how you managed no sports in one day,
but congratulations.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Well we had.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Six sports activities over the weekend. I should say one
of our kids had five of them.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
My gosh, he is such a killer.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
He's uh, he's something, all right, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Alrighty, shall we get to the news, in which we
talk once again about one of our least favorite characters
in the legacy media, Margaret Brennan.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Margaret, what are you?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Margret? What's happening? Margaret?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
You have fallen apart.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
You'll remember Margaret Brennan from cutting JD Vance's mic during
the vice presidential debate. You'll remember Margaret Brennan from having
her ass handed to her frankly, please every time jd
Vance shows up on her Sunday show. And now we
have Margaret Brennan asking Secretary of State Marco Rubio this question.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Well, he was standing in a country where free speech
was weaponized to conduct a genocide, and he met with
the head of a political party that has far right
views and some historic ties to extreme groups. The context
of that was changing the tone of it. And you
(02:49):
know that that the censorship.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Disagree with you specifically about the right now, I have
to disagree with you. Free speech was not used to
conduct the genocide. The genocide was conducted by a Miraitarian
Nazi regime that happened to also be genocidal because they
hated Jews, and they hated minorities, and they hated those
that they had a list of people they hated, but
primarily the Jews. There was no free speech in Nazi Germany.
(03:11):
There was none. There was also no opposition in Nazi Germany.
They were a sole and only party that governed that country.
So that's not an accurate reflection of history.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I mean, what what?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
And you know, it's funny because Rubio is very diplomatic
over there.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Is I admire him keeping a straight face during that question.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yes, but I only think he was completely unprepared for that.
I've never heard anyone make the argument that free speech
was the problem in Nazi Germany before, and I was
quite surprised to hear it now, so I'm sure he
was also like wait what.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, now this was the free press. The free press.
Margaret Brennan's response over at CBS to jd Vance giving
a speech in German in Europe that said, Hey, you
guys actually don't do the free speech very well. You're
putting people in jail for online postings and tweets. You
(04:09):
have people who investigate people for praying outside abortion clinics,
although the Biden administration did some of that too, So
he's targeting a real problem that Europe has, where it
does not have a commitment to free speech in the
way that we do. Yeah, thank goodness for the First Amendment,
because I'm sure are lefties, as illustrated by Margaret Brennan
would be happy to take our free speech away. And
(04:33):
this is her response to him calling out Europe for
not having free speech, is like, well, didn't free speech
cause the Holocaust? Have you ever thought about that?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
It's just it's wild.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And so you had people on X defending her like
MSNBC vice president of Editorial and Booking Jesse Rodriguez, and
I should say Jesse and I follow each other, which
you know, immediately warms.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Me to people.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Right, of course, I was like, wait what he tweeted?
The Zazi regime used mass media, including newspapers, radio films,
and public speeches to spread anti Semitic conspiracy theories, to
humanize Jews and incite violence. I was like, they also
used trains to transport Jews to camps. Perhaps we should
blame the trains. And you know the thing is, they're
(05:17):
not talking about free speech here, they're.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Just talking about speech. The Nazis used words. Perhaps we
should no longer use words lest we be like the Nazis.
Mary Catherine.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, there's a term for this called the Weimar fallacy,
which is the idea that, yes, hate speech quite clearly
did flourish in the preceding time to Nazism, but Germany
at that time had hate speech laws. They prosecuted people
for hate speech. And one of the historical findings is
(05:47):
that in fact, that made a bunch of them murtyrs
and made that speech more interesting to people because it
was forbidden. It's so the whole thing is so laughably ignorant,
and I think it's reverse engineered by people in media
who think, well, speech I don't like and can't control,
(06:10):
leads inevitably to Nazism, political violence, and genocide. Therefore, Nazis
liked free speech, you are a Nazi if you like
free speech? Is that in the state?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
What It's just, it's mind boggling. I tell this story
to the Normies in your life, because I did, and
it was just a very good time getting them to
hear this.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Britan went to UVA. Do you think there's any Thomas
Jefferson writings about the importance of free speech that she
could have perused during her time at that elite university.
I mean, it's actually amazing. But you know what is
somewhat surprisingly more amazing is that I watched the sixty
(06:55):
Minutes segment, another of our free American presses responses to
JD Vance's speech in Europe about Germany's speech police right now.
I mean, they literally have speech police in Germany, and
sixty Minutes does a feature on it. It is thirteen
(07:15):
minutes long. You should find it and watch the whole
thing to get a sense of where our press is
on this issue. I don't think there's a critical question
in the entire thirteen minutes, except at the very end,
where I was like Oh, she's going to get there.
She's going to say, should you be starring people in
jail for Facebook posts? Nope, that wasn't the question. Her
(07:37):
question was, you know, there's just so much hate, is
it possible to really make a dent in it with
your arrests and prosecutions. That was the question that this
sixty Minutes reporter had. Throughout this feature. We find out
that insulting people in the street or on Facebook or
x or any social media is illegal in Germany. We
(08:02):
find out that there are sixteen teams of prosecutors across
the country currently, you know, that's her question, currently working
on thirty five hundred cases. Sixty Minutes goes with the
German authorities, which is a very scary phrase in and
of itself, to a private home on a six am
(08:24):
raid with six armed officers over a Facebook post, at
which point they seize the phone and computer of this
private citizen. Again, the reporter doesn't have any questions about this.
In fact, she's like, she asked them, are people surprised
that this is illegal? When you go pick them up?
And the prosecutors sort of laugh like har har har, Yes,
(08:46):
they think it's like crazy that we can take their phone,
but we take it.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
And this is our press media who is super concerned
about Donald Trump and our democracy and all of that
being supportive of this.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Well, this is the thing, right, is that I get
annoyed with Trump sometimes for making me stick up for
like the Associated Press, where I'm like, look on the
Gulf of America thing, you're doing viewpoint discrimination. You can't
do that, like figure it out. Don't bully people in
this way, even if I don't like this particular organization, right,
but you're telling me that these people have a commitment
(09:24):
to free speech. They do that. Yeah, they're happy with
the rember Nina Jankowitz of the Disinformation Governance born inside
the Department of Homeland Security that Biden created. They were
perfectly happy to have that woman decide what we could
say and what we could.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Not, right.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, And they spent the four Biden years like trying
to get social media to shut down speech that they
didn't like, and it ran the gamut from you know,
Hunter laptop, but also any skepticism on any part of
the COVID stuff, which obviously you know, yes, we're still mad, bro,
and an actual government, American government tried to get social
(10:03):
media to curtail the speech of American citizens.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
So of course they're looking at Germany and.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Being like, wow, we could just seize their phones and
then they won't be able to say anything. Hahuh.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
This whole piece is just envy over Germany's speech policing laws.
And I think my favorite part, I think we can
play the clip. My favorite part is when the woman
says with a German accent that you know they're solving
this problem because people are scared to speak online about
their opinions. But she's saying they're scared to speak because
(10:34):
there's not enough prosecution of speech. It's like, girl, you
are the problem.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
Free speech needs boundaries, and in the case of Germany,
these boundaries are part of our constitution. Without boundaries, a
very small group of people can rely on endless freedom
to say anything that they want, while everyone else is
(11:00):
scared and intimidated.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
In your fears that if people are freely attacked online
that they'll withdraw from the discussion.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
This is not only a fear, it's already taking place. Already.
Half of the Internet users in Germany are afraid to
express their political opinion and they rarely participate in public
debates online anymore? Half of the Internet users.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Are they scared to speak because their neighbors going to
be mean to them or because they're going to get arrested?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Hard to say, yeah, yeah, she's like standing there with handcuffs, Like,
I don't know why they're scared, Like what my mind
was blown?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Watch it all if you get a chance this week. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
The clips that I've seen on x are just you know,
bad enough, but this sounds this sounds extra bad.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Like over at CBS, do they have German authorities coming
to educate them on how they could better police our speech?
Because that's what it seems.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Like, right, they're like, this is how we do it.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
You should do the same.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I is just and so again going back to the JD.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Van's speech, which was a great speech.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
And reiterated the values that I would think that our
liberals would before it became this whole Like, how dare
he talk to our allies that way? Well, our allies
are getting off the path of freedom and re expression.
It's okay to kind of nudge them back onto. Hey,
maybe people can say whatever they want online and maybe
you should just accept that.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I am just I know I shouldn't be shocked, Yeah,
but I am shocked. Yeah, but I am shocked that
a contemporary of mine, I believe Brendan and I are
the exact same age, went to American universities, were educated,
and basically the same way. She probably went to a
nice like private school. But you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
and at the end of that, you come out in
(12:47):
journalism and this is your take on free speech, right,
but that so much of the left has just accepted
this as well, like we want to control the speech
because we do the good speech and you do the
speech right.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
And they think that's going to work, and I don't
think that it will. Actually, I think people know that
their speech is not the good speech is not just
one kind of speech that's the good speech.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
And our whole thing is based on freedom of speech.
Like look right into our constitution, look at the First Amendment.
And it's not a coincidence.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I think that our forefathers understood that this would be
a problem, that some people would think that their speech
is acceptable and your speech is not. So they preempted
all of that, and thank goodness for them.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well in COVID is such a good example of a
time when we weren't allowed to speak freely, and as
a result, we did not come to good conclusions right right,
because you have to be able to toss around some
ideas to come to correct conclusions to figure out what
truth is, and we were not allowed to do that
during COVID because of a German authority style censorship program,
(13:54):
which again the media loves apparently.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Right, let's not follow Germany.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I like it's okay to say that, let's not follow
Germany day.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
That's really not, that's really not.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
We'll be right back on normally.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
The Libs cried a lot over JD Vance's speech, which
again I think it's powerful and good, and I love
the clarity of saying these are the things that are
important that we believe you guys are not observing these.
He also talked about mass migration, which is something that
you know, the normies of Germany and the rest of
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Europe listen to JD Vance and go, yeah, that is
something we need to work on, that these populations are
not assimilated, that we have no go zones in our
major cities in European capitals. So I like that he
speaks frankly, he is not doing the Biden thing, which
is just like me, We're America. I'm going to give
(14:53):
a Millie Mouse speech about like how we should probably
be like a little ashamed of ourselves. We're not doing that.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
It's a new era. It's a vibe shift, it is.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
And on Saturday night there was a whole other part
of the vibe shift, which was the USA Canada hockey
face off in the Four Nations tournament, hosted in Montreal. Montreal,
as you can imagine, of the Canadian cities, not the
most friendly to the Trump administration era America. Right, And look,
(15:26):
I want to say, Canada, I think it's fine for
you to be annoyed by this fifty first state time. Sure, yeah,
we like to see you annoyed by that. We like
to see you like and standing up for yourself, right,
I get it. Yeah, But they booed the national anthem
in Canada as the US played its first game against
(15:48):
Finland on I think Thursday night. We beat Finland six '
to one. So when this booing happened, as you might imagine,
the New York Times was on it, right, Yeah, yes,
so Team USA angered motivated by booze from Montreal crowd
at four nations face off. Okay, so what I loved
(16:08):
about this story is they go to US hockey players
after having been booed in the like quarterfinals of this
of this event, to get I think what they thought
were going to be like nationalistic meathead quotes, and here's
what they get from these brash, ugly Americans. Are you ready? Yeah,
these guys are hockey players and they're here to play hockey,
(16:30):
said American coach Mike Sullivan. They're also proud Americans, and
it's a privilege to represent your nation and all of
us that have the opportunity to participate and be part
of the US team. Okay, here's another one. It means
a lot to all of us. We just want to
play hockey, we want to compete, we want to represent
our nation in the right way. Okay, here's the most
edgy one. I didn't like it and that's all I've got. Okay,
(16:53):
and then one more. JT. Miller, one of the teammates, says,
I think we like it, not politically, but maybe just
as a sense of we know what we're in Canada,
and I think that fires us up more than anything.
So it's great. Yeah, there we are there's our terrible
quotes from the terrible American right, uh, toxic masculine hockey players.
(17:16):
So they go into another game Saturday night against Canada.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I heard there were a couple of fights in there.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
There were some booze during the anthem, and then there
were three fights in the first ninety seconds of this game.
So apparently they saved their talking for the ice. By
the way, can I just say one thing about hockey.
I I like hockey, but I'm not a huge follower
of it. Of course I am when I'm invested in
US beating Canada. The idea that A they let them
(17:44):
fight like that is so fascinating, so funny. Yeah, and
B you're fistfighting on skates. That is wild ice.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I'm unbelievable, unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
So three fights very quickly. There was some talk after
the game that maybe that was planned by the US players,
like we're gonna drop our loves just to send a
message when we get out there. But they also said
another message was they beat Canada three to one.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I love that America when when they're when we're good
at sports, we don't care about.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
It's a thing.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
It's very fun, you know, and also like living in
Florida and Florida's hockey team.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
You know, the Panthers have been very good for the
last few years, and it's like very ellwoods get to
Harvard and being.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Like, what, like, it's hard what I have to say
about Canada.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
You know, they're they're having this resurgence of patriotism. That's great,
but they've always had this nationalistic thing. Like when you
travel around Europe and you have the Canadians with the
Canada flag on their backpacks because they don't want to
be mistaken for American, right, A few guys, you know, like,
we don't want to be mistaken for you either.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
So I do like the idea that like Canada and
Europe that somehow being like criticized them is off limits,
and that they've always been super super deferential to us. Yeah. Oh,
they're always picking on us and telling us we're terrible, Like, yeah,
but I did enjoy We just don't care. That's right.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Difference we are just like and who are you? What
country is that? I've never heard of?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
That one I did enjoy much like nineteen eighty when
we beat the Soviets in hockey and one of the
greatest upsets of all time. And you should watch the
movie Miracle about that. It's a great one. I do
love that there are nations in this world who are
really invested as their national identity and being very good
at hockey, and we're just like nah, nah.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
So I enjoyed one of our many sports that were
good at.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I had had two drinks, so I just started tweeting
like nonsense about Canada all night. It's great scoreboard, look
at the scarboard. Suddenly extremely invested in this Team America
exhibition game in Canada, so love it. Everybody's crying because
we won. I do believe there's another round of this tournament.
(20:05):
All right. Maybe now that I'm very invested in hockey,
I should probably look into what's happening next. It was
a good time.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Now that we're huge hockey fans, huge, let's look at
that calendar and figure out when they're playing again.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I'll have an update on that.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
We're going to take a short break and come right
back with normally. Well, I think our last topic is
a quirky one. There is a story coming out right now.
So there's this thing called trad Wives.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
In case anybody's I'm unaware.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Of this term trad wife should just mean a traditional wife.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Like what I told the story to my husband, He
was like, and you're a trad wife, right, I'm like.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Not in the sense that they mean, no, I think.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
But no, yes, I would never touch the garbage. So yes,
a trad wife like that, but no, not like this.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
But the tradwife concept is submissive to her husband. And
that's where he's my husband. My husband starts laughing and says, right, exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
She only has.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Forty nine percent of the vote in our house, you know.
And the trad wife online is.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Kind of a caricature.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And I'm opposed to people living however they want. And
you know, having these.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Traditional roles and it works for your marriage, that's great.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
But some of these really go too far. And here
is the story of Patriarch Hannah. Patriarchy Hannah she was
is still a woman on the internet who has fourteen kids,
and she submits to her husband Tony, and they live
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in a large piece of land that she calls Tony Town,
and they build houses for their adult children so that
they don't leave the compound and.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
All of that. And basically, over the weekend, a guy
on the Internet, found out, figured out, delved into patriarchy Hannah,
and found that she does not exist. She is a
single woman living with her parents near where she claims
to have this fake Tony town. He got into the
(22:21):
Google street viewed and satellite imagery.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
He found property records at the houses that she claims
are hers are not hers. And she started deleting posts
and that's kind of how you know you got them well.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
And for several years now, other people have brought up
this concern in the past, which is a tricky thing
to do because someone's asserting that they live this life
and they are this person, and you're not looking to
dos them, but you're looking to say, but are you
this person, particularly if you're accusing, if you're criticizing other
people for not living a proper trad life, that's tradwife life.
(22:57):
We would like to have some evidence that you are
this person. And so a lot of people had had
questions about her, and she had turned on them online,
sometimes using personal information that they had had conversations about
through DMS or through phone calls against them because she
was protecting this vision of herself right right.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
And so that's the thing I think that when people
see a vision online. It's so important because we've gotten
to where I think we trust more online now because
we're able to tell kind of the bs right away.
But sometimes somebody can design this whole persona of fourteen kids.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Why would you lie about that?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
It's bizarro Well, and people started saying, like, she sure
is online a lot for homeschooling and having fourteen kids
and maintaining this household and doing all the things. And
it is a problem because I want to trust that
people are who they say they are. But we've had
multiple instances of this. For instance, they're often politically or
sort of ideologically motivated characters, such as the beleaguered COVID
(24:02):
nurse who ends up not being a frontline worker at all,
And several of those were sussed out during that time.
But it is this weird line where the the person
that you're trying to figure out if they're the real
person is like, how dare you? Dare you question me?
But actually, if you're pushing something online, we should know
if you're real or not.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, you know, I think Bethany Mandel, our friend Bethany
has ruined this for me a little bit because she
has six kids at she homeschools, and she writes like
seventeen articles a week and special twenty five appearances, and
every time I like you see her, she's like, oh,
I started this new blink and it's like what, like what?
(24:42):
And that's why I think people could believe that there's
some crazy lady with fourteen kids.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yes, actually you know what it is Bethany's fault. Bethany
has led.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Us down the path of like all of this is possible,
and look.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
At my marriage and like it's true.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
And it's just like I started a company and I
have a new substack and listen to my new thing
and it's like, girl, when when how do you do this? Right? Ethy? Really?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, I think that's the key. No, it's it is
the tradwife thing is is bizarre. And sometimes I'll sort
of stumble into conversations about what kind of wife I
should be, and I'm like, oh, when did we get here?
My gud is right? But I do have to say,
like the thing where magically your husband, you submit to
(25:32):
your husband, he has all the right decisions made for you.
You would be perfectly content at all times, no problems.
I'm sure that's pretty easy if you make up your husband.
Yeah right, Like it's not a separate person who you
must submit to. It's just your figment of your imagination.
I could create somebody who I could agree with one
(25:52):
hundred percent of the time, no problem.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yeah, that's a really good point. That that's it.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Also, I mean as a side note, but.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Like AI relationships are becoming more popular, like you're just
having a relationship with yourself.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
You're like, I have fallen in love with.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Me, yes, which like fair, you know, yeah, I am
very lovable.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
So now I just I think, you know, our other friend,
Emily Zanati, talks a lot about the tradwife stuff because,
you know, she she does a lot of those things.
She maintains a small little homestead farm with chickens and
all of that. She raises her three kids at home,
she cooks home cooked meals all the time. And one
(26:36):
of the things she's intent on is sort of piercing
this idea that you can have this very picturesque perfect homesteading, homeschooling,
everything life. In fact, what's happening a lot of times
is that those trad wives are doing a very serious job,
putting in a lot of hours to make their life
look like that, right, so that they can then package
(26:58):
it and sell it to everyone else, which no hate,
but let's be realistic about what's happening here. This isn't
how to stay at home mom. This is a work
from home.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Mom, right right.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
This is a mom who is putting a lot of
work actually into maintaining this perfect image. And they're always like,
you know, perfectly put together, and like my husband wanted
an apple pie, so I grew I grew an apple tree,
and then I picked like what, yeah, you know again,
live whatever kind of life you want. But just don't
(27:28):
assume the people that you see on the internet are real,
and they might not be.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, And also like watch out for people that you're
not sure are real slide in those dms and having
personal conversations with you, because this is not the normal
kind of sliding in the dms. This is a different
one where you're sort of, you know, supporting each other
through various stages of life. And I have a lot
of online friends with whom I've done that, and it
(27:54):
makes me a little wary about for sure you might
be interacting with in the future that you learn there's
this whole character was created, Yeah, be.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Careful out there kids. It's a wild, wild world.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Well, thank you for joining us on normally.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
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Speaker 3 (28:13):
Get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
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Thanks for listening, and when things get weird, act normally
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