May 27, 2025 • 30 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine Ham shares her emotional experience visiting Holocaust death camps in Poland, reflecting on the sacrifices of World War II soldiers, especially during Memorial Day. Karol Markowicz discusses the tragic history of Poland and current issues of anti-Semitism and political violence. The conversation shifts to the murder in Washington, D.C., highlighting concerns about leftist violence. They also delve into the Democratic Party's challenges, demographic shifts, and the party's disconnect with male voters. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey guys, we are back on. Normally, the show is normal.
It takes for when the news gets weird. I am
Mary catherin.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hamp And I'm Carol Marcowitt.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I'm Mary Catherine. You were on a very interesting trip
this weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I was.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I had a very meaningful Memorial Day weekend, which I
always try to have a grateful and great Memorial Day
weekend because it is a solemn holiday on top of
being the kickoff of summer. But I was in a
position to really appreciate the sacrifices of our soldiers from
years gone by because I was in Poland for a
tour of several of the death camps. Not to start
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us off on a really dark foot this morning, but
it was a very overwhelming trip. It's hard to think
the human psyche is not great, even at taking in
one or two deaths of people you know close to you,
and then to try to absorb the truth of what
truly happens. There is a lot for one weekend, but
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it did make me think even more about those who
gladly and bravely went to fight against those horrors during
World War Two. My grandparents were among them. Thankfully did
not lose their lives in that war, which is why
I'm here today. It was incredibly disturbing and moving, and
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there were of course stories of survival and the righteous
among the nations helping out. We visited the Warsaw Zoo,
where the zoo keeper and his wife saved more than
three hundred Jews during the Holocaust by having them stay
in their basement and be shipped off to other places
in Poland. I know you've been to Poland before. Just
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a very h just truly a sad story of a
nation where so many Jews and Catholics in the way
that it was possible to coexist in the early twentieth century,
had actually found ways to do that in certain places,
and then the whole n just gets overrun and exterminated,
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not just Jews, but like millions and millions of Catholics
as well in Poland, and then they get the Communists.
Like it is. It a very sad story of a
nation torn apart. It is, and also a lovely place
now by the way.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, I loved Warsaw. I thought it was a beautiful
little city.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, and fairly prosperous at this point too, because of
some free market inclinations of that country versus other places
in Europe, but the current events tie in. Unfortunately, there
is one is that as I was flying to this,
you know, very intentional tour to take in this sad history.
(02:47):
On my layover, I heard about the murder of too
young Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, d C. Which just
adds another layer of well, this is what we're learning about,
clearly an act of political terrorism perpetrated by a man
from Chicago who's a lefty anti Zionist activist and decided
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that the way to express that was to cold blooded
murder to young, promising Jewish people in Washington, d C.
On the street.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
So what's interesting is actually the man that was murdered
is a Christian. And I feel like a lot of
people don't realize that, but he is an Israeli Christian.
He served in the IDF, but he was raised a
Christian and he was pretty committed to his Christianity. The
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ambassador made a comment about him being a dedicated Christian.
What I think people need to get about that and
why I think it's important to mention that they weren't
both Jews, is this is not going to just come
for Jews. And while I am very, very worried about
the rise of anti Semitism in America, I've been worried
(04:03):
about this for a good, you know, decade plus, I
think what people need to really see here is leftist
violence is growing, and it is. Yes, it targets right
now Jews or you know, quote unquote Zionist, which is
just people who have the belief that Israel should exist,
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which could be anybody. Really. I think even people who
I've heard kind of you know, be on the anti
Israel side, ultimately a lot of them think Israel should
exist anyway, and they are Zionists. Therefore, so this kind
of violence is spreading. I wrote about.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
It for The Post a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I called it, you know, assassination culture, the killing of
the healthcare CEO in the street, and you know, the
killer being celebrated. All of that is puts us in
a really dangerous place.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
When you can kill people on the.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Street because you don't like their opinions and then be
celebrated for it, it will create more copycats, it will
create more danger for us. All So again, while yes,
you know it, obviously I see it. I see problems
for Jews. I think it's a real problem for all Americans,
and I well that people see it that way.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
No, I think that's important too. And in the official
channels and in the neutral channels where people would you know,
should and condemn these things, you get you know, the
ilhan Omars of the world. Yeah, who say nothing and
walk away. She's just not going to comment on that.
You get very mainstream, like just elite college professors and
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stuff applauding this action, justifying this action, or in places
like CNN, you get reporting that says like we can't
find any evidence of leftist extremism, like it doesn't exist.
But to your point, when people gather under the banner
of Hamas or has Bela, Hamas and Hesbla are not
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just dedicated to the extermination of the Jews, although that
is their first priority. It is about overtaking all of us.
That is the express value of a hezbolah or a Hamas.
That's that that is their mission. So that's a that's
a great point. Absolutely, just the very sad story your
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own Litchinsky and Sarah Lynn Milgram were their names, by
all accounts, just lovely people who are perhaps just about
engaged to be about to be engaged to be married, and.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
She was a Peacenik, which is another you know frame
to this is they keep killing the piece necks, they
keep killing the people that want to figure out a
way to live together. And you know this idea that
they're just killing, you know, China Sidle Zionists, they're they're
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really killing people who want the best for Palestinians. I
always like to say Israeli's care about Palestinians more than
Palestinian leadership does.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
This another example of that, another example of that. By
the way, this will make your blood boil in a
very special way. The morning that we went to alshwitzen Berkenal,
the spot on which one point three million people were murdered,
about twenty minutes from there, I stay, not a long
car drive from there in crackout on the town square,
we were sort of decompressing as a group after this
(07:30):
very heavy morning. And you know, several days of this
trip and there was a you know, pro Homas, yeah,
free Palestine march through the crackout Poland public square, and
I just it really in that moment crystallizes this is
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why Israel must and will exist forever. Like you ran
them out of Israel, they go to Poland, you exterminate
them from Poland. And then the lefties on campuses here
brilliantly are like, you guys just got to go back
to your homeland in Poland, like right, because there's a
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whole group of people still in this place, thirty minutes
from Auschwitz, who are like, I don't like when the
Jews fight back, yeah, just boldly proclaiming they may have
there were some words between their group and ours. Oh
really so still little but you know, was a guy
Benson was a guy Benson's we're in trouble. No, he
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but he wished he was there because he did not
get to engage in that. But I don't know if
it was the same group, but I saw reports of
of propolsity and protesters being inside a synagogue shouting down
a Jewish event at a senegag. There's like thirteen Jews
left in Poland, like and still they cannot engage in
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just having a public event. No they can't. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a very it's a hard place to get to,
but it is a and a hard experience, but one
that I recommend for really, I mean, as much as
you know on paper when you see it, it's, like
I said, very much clarifies the reason that that a
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place where the Jews can be in defend themselves and
live in harmony with those who choose to live in
Israel as this Christian man did and make make that
country his love and his cause is just so important.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Absolutely well. This is actually isn't one of our official
topics for today. This is just the intro to the
normally program Democrats, Mary Catherine, how are they doing?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
You know? Not great? There was a new New York
Times piece illustrating just I feel like every week there's
new data or new crunching of data, but illustrates to
the left like a giant flashing red sign, the things
you are doing are not working. The things you are
(10:09):
doing are being rejected by the very people you claim
to want to help. I mean, in huge numbers. They
can tell themselves all day, as we discussed last week,
that you know, they're doing this for working class and minorities.
And that's why they're so special and good is that
they make they want to make life better for those
other people, and those exact groups are saying no right,
(10:30):
and people listen to them. In this New York Times
piece goes into over a couple of elections, how the
vast majority of counties in this country have moved notably
right over three elections. Right, and that is that's a
(10:50):
bad sort of thing here.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
It wasn't just this last election, it was the last
three that have seen a real shift to the right
in the country.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, it says, this is Shane Goldknocker reporting this all told.
Trump has improved every election in fourteen hundred and thirty
three of the nation's thirty one hundred plus counties, even
when he lost in twenty twenty, Democrats have expanded their
votes share continuously in only fifty seven counties. Yeah. And
the demographics of those counties are exactly what you would
(11:25):
expect if you're us, right, but not what their self
conception is. It's just like very elite, affluent, very liberal places.
That's right, It's just not. Yes, I say, three of
the fourteen hundred Trump counties have a median household income
above one hundred thousand. Eighteen of the fifty seven Democratic
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counties had a medium income above one hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, and he notes in not one of the triple
trending Trump counties did. A majority of adults have a
college degree, which is quite significant, and in the fifteen
hundred counties with the smallest portion proportion of college graduates,
only one steadily voted more Democratic. Over the last three elections,
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Trump has solidified this working class base and Democrats really
don't seem to know what.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
To do about it.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And look, we've said it on the show plenty of times.
I think it's enjoyable right now to watch the Democrats
scramble around and not know what they're doing. But this
can all change. This is not we are not like, Wow,
Republicans are going to win forever and Democrats are never
going to win again, because I feel like that's what
(12:39):
happens when one party is doing significantly better than the others.
Of the conversation, I don't want to be a part
of that because I find that so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
The Democrats will return.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
It is not under the Democrats. But it is kind
of fun right now just seeing where.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
A small counterpoint to that, because I you're exactly right,
things will swing Democrats. I mean, Republicans will overplay their hands,
and I think they have less leeway for doing that
than Democrats do because they the Democrats have the press
to laud them and the Republicans do not. Right, but
we have seen a significant shift in the like sort
of generic ballot and how people identify all over Pennsylvania.
(13:20):
You've seen these counties flip to red in registration and
there's a continued effort led by Scott Presler to continue
that in New Jersey and Pennsylvania. So they are real
on the ground, like structural gains being made. The other
point that might save the Republicans for themselves from themselves
when this eventually happens, when the Democrats sort of like
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swing back. The other way is that the good governments
in places like Florida, Georgia, Texas as compared to California,
New York, the places where the abundance Democrats are now
screaming like maybe we should make things I don't know
work here. What has happened is that those places in
the South and in well governed Republican states have become
(14:07):
a magnet for so many people that when you start
doing the census assessments in twenty thirty, it gets a
lot harder for Democrats to win a presidency because so
many people will have moved to states that are more
inclined to be read, and once they're there, if they
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encounter good governance from Republicans, they tend not to want
to California, There, Georgia exactly. So that is that's a
real structural issue for Democrats that is coming down the pike.
Oh and one more point to that is that all
the brain drain from Northeast and mid Atlantic folks who
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used to send their kids to the Northeast in ivys
for school and no longer either can or want to
because of the way that admissions works. A lot of
those very smart and promising young people are going to
the South to get their education and then they're like,
I like it here. Yeah, right, So it's gonna snowball, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
And there's a lot of writing and thinking on the
twenty twenty census not being correct.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
So it was not right.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
It's going to be really something to see in twenty
thirty when we do have a real census where we
see where people have ended up, and it's blue. States
are going to lose Congressional seats in California and New
York are definitely poised to lose. Some other states are
going to lose them as well. What that will mean
for eventual Democrat comeback remains to be seen. Adam Gentilsen
(15:49):
he was a former Fetterman chief of staff. He also
worked for Harry Reid. He tweeted about this article everyone
should read and absorb this candidate quality and breaks kept
Dems barely above water for a while, Biden winning by
forty five thousand boats, et cetera. But now we're getting
swamped by the fundamentals. People simply do not like what
(16:11):
we're offering. If Democrats take that line seriously, then they
will make a comeback sooner than later. I don't know
that they take it seriously. I'm not sure that they
are willing to absorb that lesson. I think that they're
at the moment still kind of licking their wounds and
(16:33):
feeling like will figure this out and they will like
what we're selling eventually.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I'm not sure that that's going to work out for them.
Wesley Ying posted.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
He posted the coloradens will be mandated by law to
bear the cost of cheek implants, lip augmentation, knows jobs, yes,
implants for men who are trying to be women, and
he notes the Democrat you know, everyone said the Democrats
will have to moderate on this issue. It's eighty twenty issue.
(17:07):
They can't fight public opinion forever, and wes le Yank
says no.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
They will literally mandate.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Every public accommodation in the state must use the preferred
pronoun of anyone claiming to be a cross sex identity,
strip custody from parents who don't agree that their artistic
daughter who fell down a TikTok rabbit hole and believe
she's a boy is actually a boy, and force every
citizen to pay for the cheek implants of any man
who wants to feminize his face. Democrats are refusing to
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moderate on issues like this, and we're going to see
what happens with that.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I mean, this is actually insane, by the way, just
so patently insane. By the way, there's plenty of like
perimenopausal and menopausal women who would be glad to take
you up on this publicly subsidized right laser treatments and
chick plants, Like what is happening that you I'm presumably,
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because this is all subjective, if you lived in Colorado
and you were just a woman who felt like you
wanted some filler, I mean, you could you could, like
I am I am a man or I want to
go the other direction. Here's what But I guess it's
only in Colorado. What if I just visit like I
just need to identify for a certain period of time.
(18:21):
But I guess, once again, this would only really benefit dudes, right,
because the dudes are the ones who get the feminizations surgery.
So if he showed up the other way, it wouldn't
it wouldn't really work for you. Ah floiled again women, No,
I do think, by the way, Gentlesen who says this
and he's correct, is the same Gentlesen who is in
(18:44):
the New Yorker in that piece blowing up Fetterment. Yeah.
So Fetterman is the model for how a purple to
red state Democrat would attract people other than progressive and
by being sort of sensible and outspoken about how sensible
he is on eighty twenty issues. And what does Adam
(19:05):
Jentilsen do. He goes and sabotages that guy because he
doesn't like what he says. It's true, like call back,
I didn't realize it was the same guy that I
believe that's the same guy. So you have that issue
right where they continue to live in this ecosystem where
if you do veer into non progressive points of view,
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which is what the voters would like you to do,
there's gonna be someone to come around and police you
for that and take you down. So I actually do
think it would be good if this shift means that
Democrats have to learn to compete in Louisiana and Florida.
And you know, if you get your models from there,
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they will be healthier models than Nancy Pelosi.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Like, yeah, that would be nice, But are the Democrats
doing that? Let's get to our second topic. We'll be
right back on. Normally, the Democrats are poised to spend
twenty million dollars to help them understand men. Now that's
(20:14):
interesting because first of all, I'm not sure twenty million
dollars is going to do it, But second of all,
Trump just outworked them. I think that they're really getting
to where they think there's some magic bullet this whole
We need a liberal Joe Rogan, and all the conservatives
are like, you had a.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Liberal Joe Rogan.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Joe Rogan is the liberal Joe Rogan. He offered Kamala
Harris to have her on the show. She could not
do that, so Trump outworked them. He went into all
of these communities and said I want your vote, and yes,
he consolidated the mail vote. Because Democrats are on this
crazy tear. They've treated masculinity as toxic for so long.
(20:57):
They've everything all the articles that you and I always
joke about. Red meat is maga coded, and liking women
is maga coded. And if you turn everything that men
enjoy into maga coded, they're going to stay maybe on maga.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, it's actually very quite simple, as you say, like that,
if you tell a group of voters that you'd like,
whose vote you would like for twenty years, that they're
basically just toxic trash, that's the problem with everything in America.
Those people will not want to vote for you, right,
and the left has done that in such aggressive ways
(21:38):
to men that it No, it doesn't surprise me that
young men who many of whom couldn't graduate or couldn't
go to prom and have been told because of COVID regulations,
that had been told that they are toxic for fifteen
years for the entirety of their growing up. Yes, they
do turn to other sources to to look for someone
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who I don't know, doesn't hate them. That's that's part
of the quest, right, No.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
It seems easy that, you know, don't hate your voters.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
You're absolutely right. By the way, the dude who's supposed
to be their savior on this, remember Hassan Piker who
we've talked about. Yeah, he was suspended by Twitch over
the weekend or over last week during the news cycle
about that shooting in DC because he's saying things like,
you know, maybe there's no I don't think this person
(22:30):
acted out of an anti sindemitic desire, and he wanted
to truly understand the very reasonable reasons that someone would
murder these two people in the streets.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Because that he doesn't know anything about in the street.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
What can it be.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Just?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I also just think there is a total lack in
democratic elite and consulting class and people who would be
listened to of anyone who is just a right because
since they've thought dudeness was toxic for twenty years, they
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filtered it out. Anyone who moved up the chain was
not a guy who just likes doing dude things. And
I think that now they have none, which is why
they have to pay twenty million dollars. By the way,
can I please get paid for that. I have a
do I have a contract for you in which I
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will give you powerpoints about how these are the things
that dudes enjoy.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I mean, I just just like, stop saying that everything
that they like is bad. I just I can't see
the same thing for women. Like, you know, if you
like this, then you you're you're maga codd. I mean
we get some of that with the sheet dresses and all. Yeah,
but it's like if they targeted what women enjoy in
mass like, if they were like liking Taylor Swift is
(23:55):
now bad.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, it just it, they would lose women too.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I feel like they don't understand that just coming for
everything that women that men enjoy is a problem for them.
John Hassen summed it up as working out is right wing,
Liking hawk girls is right wing. Eating red and meat
his right wing. And he posted the articles He's not
just you know, floating these ideas. He posted the articles
that these are problem from MSNBC, from Newsweek, from the Nation,
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and then we need twenty million dollars to understand why
young men hate us, Like, I have some clues for
you guys.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yes, By the way, can I point out our buddy,
Clay Travis has a new book out that I just
love the concept and the title of so Much Balls,
How Trump, Young Men and Sports Saved America, which I
do think is a large part of the story of
the twenty twenty four election, and it's partly just because
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Trump was like, I don't hate y'all. I'm going to
go talk to the people that you enjoy listening to
and not try to pretend to be something I'm not.
And then David Hogg goes on Bill Maher and is like, hey,
here's a couple things dudes like, and they were like,
cancel him immediately. I mean, cancel that dude. Yeah, and
(25:09):
it's like he's barely a dude, you know. He's like,
I know, he's the best they've got, and well he's
and he's trying to sha I like the pivot to dude,
Like it's like this, I'm I'm just al, just normal,
red blooded male. David Hogg, No, you're not right.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Clay Travis in twenty seventeen made news when he went
on CNN and said the two things he believes in
completely are the First Amendment and boobs and if the
Democrats kind of returned to that follow Clay Travis.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I believe I have to look it up, but I
believe I publicly supported him in that back and forth
because I was like, I don't I don't think this
is offensive everyone who's fainting on their couch right now,
and also seems like sort of obvious.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, he says he was banned from the network after
saying that, And you know, he also noted that he
was banned from the network. But the guy who was
caught masturbating on camera, he was brought back.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah. Yeah, if I remember correctly, the anchor took great
umbrage at this, and I'm just imagining if I had
been in the anchor chair, like I would have just
laughed right, like it's funny, it's funny, It's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, all right, Well, speaking of boobs, like, let's.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Move into our last topic.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
We're going to take a short break and come right
back with Normally, I watched the American Music Awards yesterday,
and I generally I'm not a TV watcher.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
We've talked about it on here before. I don't watch shows,
I don't watch movies. I certainly don't watch award shows.
But yesterday there was this whole thing where I don't
know if people aren't crazy, like the way I live
with a crazy Taylor Swift fan in my house.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Okay, I was wondering, like, what's the occasion for the
casing for this?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
There was this Taylor Swift fans are waiting for her
to re release a reputation Taylor's Version album, And there
was a rumor and Taylor like leaves these breadcrumbs for
her fans to follow, and it's this whole thing. And
if you're not in the cult, don't join it now,
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is all I would say to you. But my daughter
is in the cult, and she had she didn't think
she was really gonna happen, but a widespread rumor that
Taylor was going to announce the re release on this show.
That did not happen, but we watched the whole show.
I have to say, the vibe shift was very real.
Women were dressed very feminine. I think the last few
(27:48):
years we've seen less of that. I've tweeted the boobs
are back many times over the last years. Boobs appear
to be truly back. Also, the military were celebrated and
mentioned a lot. It was Memorial Day. They had a
large military presence in the crowd, certainly felt different, no
political commentary whatsoever. But I should note it was also
(28:12):
like a very sealless event. Almost none of the people
who want awards actually attended Billie Eilish one eminem One.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
They were not in the crowd.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
And so it was interesting because it definitely felt vibe shifty,
but it also felt like a very low budget event.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
That is interesting to me that a bunch of people
didn't show up, And I wonder if some of that
is just like some of that is just like these
old ways of doing things are losing power, right right,
It's just not as special to be at one of
these events as it used to be. It's not as
it's not as powerful, probably partly, probably partly because the
(28:52):
red carpet is like absolutely diluted with huge numbers of
influencers that no one really knows, but they have command
all these command all these followers, and so like I
can imagine if you're an a lister and you go
to like an influencer red carpet, you're like, really, right,
I'm here with these folks, right, so maybe it maybe
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it takes down your motivation to be there in person.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yes, it was hosted by Jennifer Lopez, who has not
had a great few years. No, no, if that's like
the peak of what you can get for them.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
That was an interesting choice.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, I was. She changed outfits like twenty times and
they were all very very cool outfits. But my fifteen
year old said, like, were they all in a group
chat together, like you're I'm not going, You're not going
what I'm not going, You're not going.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
We're not We're not doing it, guys. So interesting? Okay, well, but.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
You know, boobs in the military, what is not to like.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I do love that they had military folks there. That's
that's cool, and it's so nice to see that b
mainstream and not just lip service and to have put
some thought into it and to have them in the
crowd is very nice. I agree completely.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
That was the only thing worth watching in that terrible show. Well,
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It takes for when the news gets weird. I am
Mary catherin.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hamp And I'm Carol Marcowitt.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I'm Mary Catherine. You were on a very interesting trip
this weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I was.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I had a very meaningful Memorial Day weekend, which I
always try to have a grateful and great Memorial Day
weekend because it is a solemn holiday on top of
being the kickoff of summer. But I was in a
position to really appreciate the sacrifices of our soldiers from
years gone by because I was in Poland for a
tour of several of the death camps. Not to start
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us off on a really dark foot this morning, but
it was a very overwhelming trip. It's hard to think
the human psyche is not great, even at taking in
one or two deaths of people you know close to you,
and then to try to absorb the truth of what
truly happens. There is a lot for one weekend, but
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it did make me think even more about those who
gladly and bravely went to fight against those horrors during
World War Two. My grandparents were among them. Thankfully did
not lose their lives in that war, which is why
I'm here today. It was incredibly disturbing and moving, and
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there were of course stories of survival and the righteous
among the nations helping out. We visited the Warsaw Zoo,
where the zoo keeper and his wife saved more than
three hundred Jews during the Holocaust by having them stay
in their basement and be shipped off to other places
in Poland. I know you've been to Poland before. Just
(01:42):
a very h just truly a sad story of a
nation where so many Jews and Catholics in the way
that it was possible to coexist in the early twentieth century,
had actually found ways to do that in certain places,
and then the whole n just gets overrun and exterminated,
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not just Jews, but like millions and millions of Catholics
as well in Poland, and then they get the Communists.
Like it is. It a very sad story of a
nation torn apart. It is, and also a lovely place
now by the way.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, I loved Warsaw. I thought it was a beautiful
little city.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, and fairly prosperous at this point too, because of
some free market inclinations of that country versus other places
in Europe, but the current events tie in. Unfortunately, there
is one is that as I was flying to this,
you know, very intentional tour to take in this sad history.
(02:47):
On my layover, I heard about the murder of too
young Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, d C. Which just
adds another layer of well, this is what we're learning about,
clearly an act of political terrorism perpetrated by a man
from Chicago who's a lefty anti Zionist activist and decided
(03:12):
that the way to express that was to cold blooded
murder to young, promising Jewish people in Washington, d C.
On the street.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
So what's interesting is actually the man that was murdered
is a Christian. And I feel like a lot of
people don't realize that, but he is an Israeli Christian.
He served in the IDF, but he was raised a
Christian and he was pretty committed to his Christianity. The
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ambassador made a comment about him being a dedicated Christian.
What I think people need to get about that and
why I think it's important to mention that they weren't
both Jews, is this is not going to just come
for Jews. And while I am very, very worried about
the rise of anti Semitism in America, I've been worried
(04:03):
about this for a good, you know, decade plus, I
think what people need to really see here is leftist
violence is growing, and it is. Yes, it targets right
now Jews or you know, quote unquote Zionist, which is
just people who have the belief that Israel should exist,
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which could be anybody. Really. I think even people who
I've heard kind of you know, be on the anti
Israel side, ultimately a lot of them think Israel should
exist anyway, and they are Zionists. Therefore, so this kind
of violence is spreading. I wrote about.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
It for The Post a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I called it, you know, assassination culture, the killing of
the healthcare CEO in the street, and you know, the
killer being celebrated. All of that is puts us in
a really dangerous place.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
When you can kill people on the.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Street because you don't like their opinions and then be
celebrated for it, it will create more copycats, it will
create more danger for us. All So again, while yes,
you know it, obviously I see it. I see problems
for Jews. I think it's a real problem for all Americans,
and I well that people see it that way.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
No, I think that's important too. And in the official
channels and in the neutral channels where people would you know,
should and condemn these things, you get you know, the
ilhan Omars of the world. Yeah, who say nothing and
walk away. She's just not going to comment on that.
You get very mainstream, like just elite college professors and
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stuff applauding this action, justifying this action, or in places
like CNN, you get reporting that says like we can't
find any evidence of leftist extremism, like it doesn't exist.
But to your point, when people gather under the banner
of Hamas or has Bela, Hamas and Hesbla are not
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just dedicated to the extermination of the Jews, although that
is their first priority. It is about overtaking all of us.
That is the express value of a hezbolah or a Hamas.
That's that that is their mission. So that's a that's
a great point. Absolutely, just the very sad story your
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own Litchinsky and Sarah Lynn Milgram were their names, by
all accounts, just lovely people who are perhaps just about
engaged to be about to be engaged to be married, and.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
She was a Peacenik, which is another you know frame
to this is they keep killing the piece necks, they
keep killing the people that want to figure out a
way to live together. And you know this idea that
they're just killing, you know, China Sidle Zionists, they're they're
(06:57):
really killing people who want the best for Palestinians. I
always like to say Israeli's care about Palestinians more than
Palestinian leadership does.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
This another example of that, another example of that. By
the way, this will make your blood boil in a
very special way. The morning that we went to alshwitzen Berkenal,
the spot on which one point three million people were murdered,
about twenty minutes from there, I stay, not a long
car drive from there in crackout on the town square,
we were sort of decompressing as a group after this
(07:30):
very heavy morning. And you know, several days of this
trip and there was a you know, pro Homas, yeah,
free Palestine march through the crackout Poland public square, and
I just it really in that moment crystallizes this is
(07:52):
why Israel must and will exist forever. Like you ran
them out of Israel, they go to Poland, you exterminate
them from Poland. And then the lefties on campuses here
brilliantly are like, you guys just got to go back
to your homeland in Poland, like right, because there's a
(08:12):
whole group of people still in this place, thirty minutes
from Auschwitz, who are like, I don't like when the
Jews fight back, yeah, just boldly proclaiming they may have
there were some words between their group and ours. Oh
really so still little but you know, was a guy
Benson was a guy Benson's we're in trouble. No, he
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but he wished he was there because he did not
get to engage in that. But I don't know if
it was the same group, but I saw reports of
of propolsity and protesters being inside a synagogue shouting down
a Jewish event at a senegag. There's like thirteen Jews
left in Poland, like and still they cannot engage in
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just having a public event. No they can't. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a very it's a hard place to get to,
but it is a and a hard experience, but one
that I recommend for really, I mean, as much as
you know on paper when you see it, it's, like
I said, very much clarifies the reason that that a
(09:18):
place where the Jews can be in defend themselves and
live in harmony with those who choose to live in
Israel as this Christian man did and make make that
country his love and his cause is just so important.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Absolutely well. This is actually isn't one of our official
topics for today. This is just the intro to the
normally program Democrats, Mary Catherine, how are they doing?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
You know? Not great? There was a new New York
Times piece illustrating just I feel like every week there's
new data or new crunching of data, but illustrates to
the left like a giant flashing red sign, the things
you are doing are not working. The things you are
(10:09):
doing are being rejected by the very people you claim
to want to help. I mean, in huge numbers. They
can tell themselves all day, as we discussed last week,
that you know, they're doing this for working class and minorities.
And that's why they're so special and good is that
they make they want to make life better for those
other people, and those exact groups are saying no right,
(10:30):
and people listen to them. In this New York Times
piece goes into over a couple of elections, how the
vast majority of counties in this country have moved notably
right over three elections. Right, and that is that's a
(10:50):
bad sort of thing here.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
It wasn't just this last election, it was the last
three that have seen a real shift to the right
in the country.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, it says, this is Shane Goldknocker reporting this all told.
Trump has improved every election in fourteen hundred and thirty
three of the nation's thirty one hundred plus counties, even
when he lost in twenty twenty, Democrats have expanded their
votes share continuously in only fifty seven counties. Yeah. And
the demographics of those counties are exactly what you would
(11:25):
expect if you're us, right, but not what their self
conception is. It's just like very elite, affluent, very liberal places.
That's right, It's just not. Yes, I say, three of
the fourteen hundred Trump counties have a median household income
above one hundred thousand. Eighteen of the fifty seven Democratic
(11:45):
counties had a medium income above one hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, and he notes in not one of the triple
trending Trump counties did. A majority of adults have a
college degree, which is quite significant, and in the fifteen
hundred counties with the smallest portion proportion of college graduates,
only one steadily voted more Democratic. Over the last three elections,
(12:11):
Trump has solidified this working class base and Democrats really
don't seem to know what.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
To do about it.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And look, we've said it on the show plenty of times.
I think it's enjoyable right now to watch the Democrats
scramble around and not know what they're doing. But this
can all change. This is not we are not like, Wow,
Republicans are going to win forever and Democrats are never
going to win again, because I feel like that's what
(12:39):
happens when one party is doing significantly better than the others.
Of the conversation, I don't want to be a part
of that because I find that so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
The Democrats will return.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
It is not under the Democrats. But it is kind
of fun right now just seeing where.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
A small counterpoint to that, because I you're exactly right,
things will swing Democrats. I mean, Republicans will overplay their hands,
and I think they have less leeway for doing that
than Democrats do because they the Democrats have the press
to laud them and the Republicans do not. Right, but
we have seen a significant shift in the like sort
of generic ballot and how people identify all over Pennsylvania.
(13:20):
You've seen these counties flip to red in registration and
there's a continued effort led by Scott Presler to continue
that in New Jersey and Pennsylvania. So they are real
on the ground, like structural gains being made. The other
point that might save the Republicans for themselves from themselves
when this eventually happens, when the Democrats sort of like
(13:42):
swing back. The other way is that the good governments
in places like Florida, Georgia, Texas as compared to California,
New York, the places where the abundance Democrats are now
screaming like maybe we should make things I don't know
work here. What has happened is that those places in
the South and in well governed Republican states have become
(14:07):
a magnet for so many people that when you start
doing the census assessments in twenty thirty, it gets a
lot harder for Democrats to win a presidency because so
many people will have moved to states that are more
inclined to be read, and once they're there, if they
(14:28):
encounter good governance from Republicans, they tend not to want
to California, There, Georgia exactly. So that is that's a
real structural issue for Democrats that is coming down the pike.
Oh and one more point to that is that all
the brain drain from Northeast and mid Atlantic folks who
(14:51):
used to send their kids to the Northeast in ivys
for school and no longer either can or want to
because of the way that admissions works. A lot of
those very smart and promising young people are going to
the South to get their education and then they're like,
I like it here. Yeah, right, So it's gonna snowball, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
And there's a lot of writing and thinking on the
twenty twenty census not being correct.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
So it was not right.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
It's going to be really something to see in twenty
thirty when we do have a real census where we
see where people have ended up, and it's blue. States
are going to lose Congressional seats in California and New
York are definitely poised to lose. Some other states are
going to lose them as well. What that will mean
for eventual Democrat comeback remains to be seen. Adam Gentilsen
(15:49):
he was a former Fetterman chief of staff. He also
worked for Harry Reid. He tweeted about this article everyone
should read and absorb this candidate quality and breaks kept
Dems barely above water for a while, Biden winning by
forty five thousand boats, et cetera. But now we're getting
swamped by the fundamentals. People simply do not like what
(16:11):
we're offering. If Democrats take that line seriously, then they
will make a comeback sooner than later. I don't know
that they take it seriously. I'm not sure that they
are willing to absorb that lesson. I think that they're
at the moment still kind of licking their wounds and
(16:33):
feeling like will figure this out and they will like
what we're selling eventually.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I'm not sure that that's going to work out for them.
Wesley Ying posted.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
He posted the coloradens will be mandated by law to
bear the cost of cheek implants, lip augmentation, knows jobs, yes,
implants for men who are trying to be women, and
he notes the Democrat you know, everyone said the Democrats
will have to moderate on this issue. It's eighty twenty issue.
(17:07):
They can't fight public opinion forever, and wes le Yank
says no.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
They will literally mandate.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Every public accommodation in the state must use the preferred
pronoun of anyone claiming to be a cross sex identity,
strip custody from parents who don't agree that their artistic
daughter who fell down a TikTok rabbit hole and believe
she's a boy is actually a boy, and force every
citizen to pay for the cheek implants of any man
who wants to feminize his face. Democrats are refusing to
(17:35):
moderate on issues like this, and we're going to see
what happens with that.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I mean, this is actually insane, by the way, just
so patently insane. By the way, there's plenty of like
perimenopausal and menopausal women who would be glad to take
you up on this publicly subsidized right laser treatments and
chick plants, Like what is happening that you I'm presumably,
(18:00):
because this is all subjective, if you lived in Colorado
and you were just a woman who felt like you
wanted some filler, I mean, you could you could, like
I am I am a man or I want to
go the other direction. Here's what But I guess it's
only in Colorado. What if I just visit like I
just need to identify for a certain period of time.
(18:21):
But I guess, once again, this would only really benefit dudes, right,
because the dudes are the ones who get the feminizations surgery.
So if he showed up the other way, it wouldn't
it wouldn't really work for you. Ah floiled again women, No,
I do think, by the way, Gentlesen who says this
and he's correct, is the same Gentlesen who is in
(18:44):
the New Yorker in that piece blowing up Fetterment. Yeah.
So Fetterman is the model for how a purple to
red state Democrat would attract people other than progressive and
by being sort of sensible and outspoken about how sensible
he is on eighty twenty issues. And what does Adam
(19:05):
Jentilsen do. He goes and sabotages that guy because he
doesn't like what he says. It's true, like call back,
I didn't realize it was the same guy that I
believe that's the same guy. So you have that issue
right where they continue to live in this ecosystem where
if you do veer into non progressive points of view,
(19:27):
which is what the voters would like you to do,
there's gonna be someone to come around and police you
for that and take you down. So I actually do
think it would be good if this shift means that
Democrats have to learn to compete in Louisiana and Florida.
And you know, if you get your models from there,
(19:49):
they will be healthier models than Nancy Pelosi.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Like, yeah, that would be nice, But are the Democrats
doing that? Let's get to our second topic. We'll be
right back on. Normally, the Democrats are poised to spend
twenty million dollars to help them understand men. Now that's
(20:14):
interesting because first of all, I'm not sure twenty million
dollars is going to do it, But second of all,
Trump just outworked them. I think that they're really getting
to where they think there's some magic bullet this whole
We need a liberal Joe Rogan, and all the conservatives
are like, you had a.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Liberal Joe Rogan.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Joe Rogan is the liberal Joe Rogan. He offered Kamala
Harris to have her on the show. She could not
do that, so Trump outworked them. He went into all
of these communities and said I want your vote, and yes,
he consolidated the mail vote. Because Democrats are on this
crazy tear. They've treated masculinity as toxic for so long.
(20:57):
They've everything all the articles that you and I always
joke about. Red meat is maga coded, and liking women
is maga coded. And if you turn everything that men
enjoy into maga coded, they're going to stay maybe on maga.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, it's actually very quite simple, as you say, like that,
if you tell a group of voters that you'd like,
whose vote you would like for twenty years, that they're
basically just toxic trash, that's the problem with everything in America.
Those people will not want to vote for you, right,
and the left has done that in such aggressive ways
(21:38):
to men that it No, it doesn't surprise me that
young men who many of whom couldn't graduate or couldn't
go to prom and have been told because of COVID regulations,
that had been told that they are toxic for fifteen
years for the entirety of their growing up. Yes, they
do turn to other sources to to look for someone
(22:01):
who I don't know, doesn't hate them. That's that's part
of the quest, right, No.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
It seems easy that, you know, don't hate your voters.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
You're absolutely right. By the way, the dude who's supposed
to be their savior on this, remember Hassan Piker who
we've talked about. Yeah, he was suspended by Twitch over
the weekend or over last week during the news cycle
about that shooting in DC because he's saying things like,
you know, maybe there's no I don't think this person
(22:30):
acted out of an anti sindemitic desire, and he wanted
to truly understand the very reasonable reasons that someone would
murder these two people in the streets.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Because that he doesn't know anything about in the street.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
What can it be.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Just?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I also just think there is a total lack in
democratic elite and consulting class and people who would be
listened to of anyone who is just a right because
since they've thought dudeness was toxic for twenty years, they
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filtered it out. Anyone who moved up the chain was
not a guy who just likes doing dude things. And
I think that now they have none, which is why
they have to pay twenty million dollars. By the way,
can I please get paid for that. I have a
do I have a contract for you in which I
(23:27):
will give you powerpoints about how these are the things
that dudes enjoy.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I mean, I just just like, stop saying that everything
that they like is bad. I just I can't see
the same thing for women. Like, you know, if you
like this, then you you're you're maga codd. I mean
we get some of that with the sheet dresses and all. Yeah,
but it's like if they targeted what women enjoy in
mass like, if they were like liking Taylor Swift is
(23:55):
now bad.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, it just it, they would lose women too.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I feel like they don't understand that just coming for
everything that women that men enjoy is a problem for them.
John Hassen summed it up as working out is right wing,
Liking hawk girls is right wing. Eating red and meat
his right wing. And he posted the articles He's not
just you know, floating these ideas. He posted the articles
that these are problem from MSNBC, from Newsweek, from the Nation,
(24:22):
and then we need twenty million dollars to understand why
young men hate us, Like, I have some clues for
you guys.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yes, By the way, can I point out our buddy,
Clay Travis has a new book out that I just
love the concept and the title of so Much Balls,
How Trump, Young Men and Sports Saved America, which I
do think is a large part of the story of
the twenty twenty four election, and it's partly just because
(24:48):
Trump was like, I don't hate y'all. I'm going to
go talk to the people that you enjoy listening to
and not try to pretend to be something I'm not.
And then David Hogg goes on Bill Maher and is like, hey,
here's a couple things dudes like, and they were like,
cancel him immediately. I mean, cancel that dude. Yeah, and
(25:09):
it's like he's barely a dude, you know. He's like,
I know, he's the best they've got, and well he's
and he's trying to sha I like the pivot to dude,
Like it's like this, I'm I'm just al, just normal,
red blooded male. David Hogg, No, you're not right.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Clay Travis in twenty seventeen made news when he went
on CNN and said the two things he believes in
completely are the First Amendment and boobs and if the
Democrats kind of returned to that follow Clay Travis.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I believe I have to look it up, but I
believe I publicly supported him in that back and forth
because I was like, I don't I don't think this
is offensive everyone who's fainting on their couch right now,
and also seems like sort of obvious.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, he says he was banned from the network after
saying that, And you know, he also noted that he
was banned from the network. But the guy who was
caught masturbating on camera, he was brought back.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah. Yeah, if I remember correctly, the anchor took great
umbrage at this, and I'm just imagining if I had
been in the anchor chair, like I would have just
laughed right, like it's funny, it's funny, It's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, all right, Well, speaking of boobs, like, let's.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Move into our last topic.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
We're going to take a short break and come right
back with Normally, I watched the American Music Awards yesterday,
and I generally I'm not a TV watcher.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
We've talked about it on here before. I don't watch shows,
I don't watch movies. I certainly don't watch award shows.
But yesterday there was this whole thing where I don't
know if people aren't crazy, like the way I live
with a crazy Taylor Swift fan in my house.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Okay, I was wondering, like, what's the occasion for the
casing for this?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
There was this Taylor Swift fans are waiting for her
to re release a reputation Taylor's Version album, And there
was a rumor and Taylor like leaves these breadcrumbs for
her fans to follow, and it's this whole thing. And
if you're not in the cult, don't join it now,
(27:22):
is all I would say to you. But my daughter
is in the cult, and she had she didn't think
she was really gonna happen, but a widespread rumor that
Taylor was going to announce the re release on this show.
That did not happen, but we watched the whole show.
I have to say, the vibe shift was very real.
Women were dressed very feminine. I think the last few
(27:48):
years we've seen less of that. I've tweeted the boobs
are back many times over the last years. Boobs appear
to be truly back. Also, the military were celebrated and
mentioned a lot. It was Memorial Day. They had a
large military presence in the crowd, certainly felt different, no
political commentary whatsoever. But I should note it was also
(28:12):
like a very sealless event. Almost none of the people
who want awards actually attended Billie Eilish one eminem One.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
They were not in the crowd.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
And so it was interesting because it definitely felt vibe shifty,
but it also felt like a very low budget event.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
That is interesting to me that a bunch of people
didn't show up, And I wonder if some of that
is just like some of that is just like these
old ways of doing things are losing power, right right,
It's just not as special to be at one of
these events as it used to be. It's not as
it's not as powerful, probably partly, probably partly because the
(28:52):
red carpet is like absolutely diluted with huge numbers of
influencers that no one really knows, but they have command
all these command all these followers, and so like I
can imagine if you're an a lister and you go
to like an influencer red carpet, you're like, really, right,
I'm here with these folks, right, so maybe it maybe
(29:15):
it takes down your motivation to be there in person.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yes, it was hosted by Jennifer Lopez, who has not
had a great few years. No, no, if that's like
the peak of what you can get for them.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
That was an interesting choice.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, I was. She changed outfits like twenty times and
they were all very very cool outfits. But my fifteen
year old said, like, were they all in a group
chat together, like you're I'm not going, You're not going
what I'm not going, You're not going.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
We're not We're not doing it, guys. So interesting? Okay, well, but.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
You know, boobs in the military, what is not to like.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I do love that they had military folks there. That's
that's cool, and it's so nice to see that b
mainstream and not just lip service and to have put
some thought into it and to have them in the
crowd is very nice. I agree completely.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
That was the only thing worth watching in that terrible show. Well,
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Boysober
Have you ever wondered what life might be like if you stopped worrying about being wanted, and focused on understanding what you actually want? That was the question Hope Woodard asked herself after a string of situationships inspired her to take a break from sex and dating. She went "boysober," a personal concept that sparked a global movement among women looking to prioritize themselves over men. Now, Hope is looking to expand the ways we explore our relationship to relationships. Taking a bold, unfiltered look into modern love, romance, and self-discovery, Boysober will dive into messy stories about dating, sex, love, friendship, and breaking generational patterns—all with humor, vulnerability, and a fresh perspective.
Dateline NBC
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