April 3, 2025 • 26 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz discuss their experiences at the International Women of Courage event in Washington, D.C., followed by an analysis of recent election results, including Republican victories and the implications of the Wisconsin Supreme Court race. They delve into the topic of tariffs and trade, exploring the potential economic impacts. The conversation shifts to President Biden's competence, revealing insights from former White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain's new book. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey guys, we are back on. Normally the show was normal.
It takes but when the news gets weird. I am
Mary Caps.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And I'm Karl Marco.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
It's so nice to see you again, Mary Catherine.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We had a wonderful day in our nation's capital yesterday.
It was very busy, and I have to tell you,
I just imagine you guys live like that all the time.
I would just saying, you're like at the State Department
seeing the first lady in a leopard coat dress every day.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
No, no, that's not how it goes.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
In fact, yesterday was a very DC day for us,
and ironically we did not record while we were together.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
No, why would we do that.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
We we went to the State Department for the International
Women of Courage event, which was wonderful and we got
to miss any of the international activists who, at great
risk to themselves and great pain at some times, are
able to stand up for women in their communities, including one.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Of the released hostages from is I Meet Susanna.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
We also saw Keith Siegel, who was recently released, and
just as it's always a surprise to see someone you've
been praying for, especially in dire circumstances, like that, and
then to see him well in a room at the
State Department having more d'eures that would be so happful.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, that It really was so nice to see him.
The whole event was really well done. Moving Marco Rubia spoke,
the first lady spoke again. She looked phenomenal. I posted
some pictures of her fit. Pam Bondi was there. Yeah,
just a generally incredible event. And then you and I
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went and did something that we're only going to tell
our listeners about as a little preview.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
But where we went you could tell, you could say,
you could finish my thought.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Yeah, we went over and recorded a little ruthless with
the fellas. Yeah, that's a programming note, stay tuned for that.
Check it out next week sometime.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
We'll let you guys know. Yeah, had a great time
with them.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Wandered around the city, got stuck in the cherry blossom traffic,
which Carol did not believe was only because of cherry blossoms,
and indeed, well not.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Sure really, everybody just came to see trees.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yes, it's real.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
The city is a nightmare during peak bloom, as they
call it, and this is peak bloom. It always comes
on my birthday week. I always end up sort of
half sick on my birthday week as a result, because
the pollen is everywhere. Actually at Ruthless's Josh Holmes, who
was on Special Report with me last night, which is
how I ended my very DC day.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
So funny.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Wait, you skipped the part where we have a drink
with Seth Dylan that we just randomly ran into him.
Another thing that I just imagine just happens in DC
all the time. Oh hey, there's Seth Dylan from Babylon Bee,
let's go grab a drink.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
How to drink with him?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Like?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It was very very posh.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
And then I went over to Special Report and Josh
Holmes and I were talking about the cherry blossoms and
how you didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Believe that the cherry blossoms created all these.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Pubs, but they that's made up, okay.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
And Holmes said, I make I charted as the first
act of international terrorism that the Japanese games.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I see that.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, it is every.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Every spring break group, every family vacation, every like everyone
is here. Yeah, all the school groups, they all come
in on these couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
They want to see that.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And truly if you ever want to see the cherry
blossoms in DC. They're everywhere, so you don't have to
go to the title basin, which is where everyone goes
right around the Jefferson. But if you do go to
the title basin, I am somewhat jaded, and I have
just explained how the cherry blossoms are causing all these problems.
But it is very beautiful and when you go, it
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is stunning. Go at sunrise, it's the only way to
do it.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I'm sorry. That means you have to get up, which
is even worse sunrise all right, because there's no look
at flowering trees at sunrise.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I feel like you don't even know me.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
It wasn't a you.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't tailored to you. That's correct.
That pitch was not for you. Yeah, it's it's annoying,
but it's the only time to see them without a
gajillion people around. So you get your little Instagram shots
with no one in them, like you own the title basin.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
That's a really good point for the instagrammers out there.
Listen to Mary Catherine, go go take the pictures.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Well, that was our that was our big DC day.
And now I'm tired.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, it was exhausting.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Wow, we did a lot. I loved seeing you. It
was a real good time.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Next time, maybe we will record something together. Maybe we'll
take our producer John with us.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Maybe all three of us will go look at flowering trees.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Well.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I mean, also, by the way, now that I've already
complained about all these petty little tiny things in my life,
I should say that going to the International Women of
Courage event and meeting activists from Sri Lanka and Lukina
Faso and all of these places, U wonders for your
perspective on how much you care about the traffic in
your town when you're going from one event to another.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Because true, too true.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yes, well, we have some news that we're going to
be discussing. Yesterday there was a few special elections around
the country. There were two in Florida for Congress, and
there was one for the Wisconsin Supreme Court. One of
those the Democrats won, and the two Florida ones were
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won by Republicans. So obviously the news today is Republicans
crushed and defeated.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
And you know that's the end of that. You know,
when one party gets a big.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Win like Republicans had in November. There's always this sense
like we will never lose again, we can't possibly lose.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Look how good we're doing.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
And I never enjoy that.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I always think we can lose. They can lose, we
can lose.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Everybody can lose, like.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
One of them all telling things to me in twenty sixteen.
And I'll be honest, I did not think Donald Trump
would win. It was a complete shock to me. But
did I never even entertain that idea. That's crazy, that's
a crazy thing to do one of the two major
partner candidates.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
You didn't think it was possible for them to win.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
So what's going to happen is that after Trump is elected,
there will be these elections that people read way too
much into right And in Florida, of course, the results
were great for Republicans, a sizeable win in these special
elections in places that should have been safe for Republicans.
But Democrats had been really touting we're going to spend
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a lot of money and they were gonna they were going.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
To really close the gap, if not beat these guys.
And that's not what happened there.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Well, I don't know if that's not what happened. The
Washington Post thinks that is what happened. The Washington Post
thinks this was a success for Democrats. Their headline on
this was Democrats won a Wisconsin Supreme Court race and
lost to Florida special elections Tuesday. But the trends are
clearly pointing in their direction.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Many other races were called ten minutes after the polls closed.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Barely ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
They write, We've seen before that Trump voters just aren't
as likely to show up for races that don't feature
Trump after all. Again, not true. Ron DeSantis won by
nineteen points. I think that that is just something that
they make up. And this is really the quote that
gets to me quote. In the end, Democrats overperformed their
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twenty twenty four margins by about sixteen points in the
sixth district, which Trump won by thirty points, and about
twenty two points in the first, which Trump had won
by thirty seven. There have been about three dozen special
elections for Congress since Trump was first elected president in
twenty sixteen. Democrats twenty two point overperformance in Florida's first
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district was their best of any of those races, according
to data compiled by down ballot daily cost elections. Their
sixteen point overperformance in the sixth district was tied for
their sixth best.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Now, Okay, that sounds like a lot of ways to
say we lost.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
That is some Mathew math.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So I'm clear.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
The Democrats' best performance in a special election under Trump
was in Florida's first district, which they lost by fourteen points.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Like, may all their wins be this good?
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Yeah, Look, I think I think the Wisconsin one is
more worrisome, obviously. Yeah, that's one to hang their hats on.
Wisconsin Supreme court races have been nationalized for a while now,
it's a very it's a it's a like operationally politicized
state since the like since ten years ago, to such
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a degree that these special elections end up costing a
lot of money, they end up having pretty like a
for special election for it or for a supreme court election,
fairly large turnout at tension nationally, the fact that this
purple state that fell for Trump in twenty twenty four
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that Republicans. Here's the thing that concerns me about that
is that Republicans seemed more optimistic about it than the
numbers say in Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
So Wisconsin.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
They ended up losing by like ten or eleven points
this Supreme Court seat, which will make a difference in
the future, possibly for redistricting things and for the general
well being of the state. The fact that they didn't
seem to know that it would look that bad is
a little concerning. There's a concern that Elon and Elon's
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spending might be polarizing to an extent that it actually
hurts more than it helps, and I think that is
something to be concerned about looking forward.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Right, So I will say this.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I have a polster that follows me. His name is
Rick Schaftan, and he messaged me weeks ago saying we're
not winning Wisconsin. And his thing was that his polls
were showing that they that the Republican candidate was running
on crime and that just wasn't an issue in the
Supreme Court race, that the Wisconsin voters did not see
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crime as aligned.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
With the purpose of a Supreme Court justice there.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
So I'm just going to say that there were Republican
operatives who were aware that this wasn't going to be
a win, and it was like I really would tweet
about it and post about it as well. It wasn't
just sending me this information. This was something he had
out there. So yeah, the fact that it was a
surprise is maybe.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
For them probably mindset.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, I'm probably being too strong about it. Is.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
It concerns me that it was such a large margin, right,
And I didn't expect that. I did expect it to
be a close slash blue leaning race.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
For sure, Right.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And look, the thing is, it makes sense that Democrats
are more motivated right now. That makes a world of sense.
Donald Trump just won this major election. It wasn't close.
It was called the Night of It's just you know,
he won every single swing state. Obviously they're going to
be motivated to get out there, and that includes in Florida.
(11:19):
But this spin today and I like it because I
think it does break into the Republican we're never going
to lose again mindset, which I hate so much and
I want so.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I didn't like the actual losing, but.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I enjoy the break of that fantasy that Republicans could
never lose again.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
And Democrats are.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Their numbers are in the toilet and everybody hates them,
and who could ever vote for a party with a
twenty one percent approval rating? People do still do they
still vote for that party because there's only two parties
and you pick one of them.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I mean, you've got to get out there and play
the game. That's what game day is for. Yeah, I
think you're right.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
There's a fine line about celebrating a win, which I
think people should be able to do post November and
turning that into what Obama thought, which is demographics's destiny,
and what Democrats thought, which is like, that's never going.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
To end for us, And that wasn't true. It wasn't
true by a long shot.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
In fact, the minority voting numbers for Trump were better
than any republic candidate in recent memory, huge gains in
those areas, devastating to Democrats on a lot of fronts.
But the risks for Republicans are that many of those
many of the voters that are new to the Republican
Party are new voters period, making them lower propensity voters,
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less likely to be in these special elections and off
yr elections, and they might not be very significantly tied
to the Republican Party. And if you don't tie them
to the Republican Party for a couple more cycles, they'll
happily swing back over in a lot of cases. I
remember a friend told me a friend was crowing about
Obama's victory in two thousand and eight and North Carolina
(13:00):
and declared it on Facebook like this is it North
Carolina's Bluesta yep. And I just lightly said, like, that
doesn't really happen that way, and she was like, you're
out of your mind. Well, you can look at the
polling results from the last couple of president's elections in.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
North Carolina and see how that went.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
These things change, yes, and fast, much faster than people think.
I'm also I understand the blaming Elon, but I I'm not.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Sure that he deserves the blame. I think he was
trying to save.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
What was going to be a losing what was going on, yeah,
a losing election anyway, Obviously he took a risk to
his reputation by doing that. He took the hit, but
I'm not sure, all things considered, that he actually played
any kind of role in it.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
I think the I think there is a certain amount
of polarization and activation that Elon creates as a character
because he is so Elon forward.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
He is very all the way Elon, Yeah, all Elon
all the time.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
But we should keep in mind that the elon as
scapegoat game who both Democrats and Republicans, because Republicans can say,
oh no, not all are our operatives, are our candidates,
and Democrats can say, we love to blame this guy,
and he.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Gets our voters out. So there's some incentives at play there.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Totally good point. Yeah, both sides do benefit from blaming
the elon. Will be right back on normally. Today is
also what Trump is calling Liberation Day. It is the
day that tariffs would be kicking in, but a lot
of countries are saying we're going to drop all US tariffs.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Please don't do this to us.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Now, I feel like I understood a lot about this.
I've obviously been reading a lot more about tariffs in
the last I mean, I would say since Trump really,
in theory I'm a against tariffs, but in practice I
had no idea how many countries had so many tariffs
against American goods, and that was really new information to me. Again,
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in theory, I would love a free market. In practice
we don't have a free market. So kind of looking
forward to seeing where this goes. John Carney, a friend
of mine, is a good financial writer. He had some
interesting thoughts on tariffs. And I'm not going to read
the whole thing. Go look up what he wrote, but
he basically said, this is not a provocation, this is
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not a trade war.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And I love this part.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
He said, this will not be the beginning of the
trade war. It's the beginning of the end of the
trade war the day America.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Started fighting back.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
So we'll see, we'll see whether Americans enjoy the fighting
back if prices go up. Obviously we've talked about how
that might be a concern, but I'm kind of open
to it. I'm kind of open to seeing where this goes.
And I like that that that several countries have already
said we're going to drop all the tariffs on American goods.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yeah. I was listening to Austin Goldsby was on Special
Report last night, who's the He's in Obama's an economic team,
but is now the chairman of the fed up in Chicago,
and he was saying, like, in theory, yes, there is
a way that this could be if it worked out
not like a trade war, and it worked out like
a disarmament of right exactly, then in fact, that wouldn't
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be as inflationary and you wouldn't have as many problems.
I am concerned because, as I keep saying, look, if
you have a nascent recovery or what I think we
actually have, which is a very weak economy inherited from Biden,
that is a little teetering, right, and you add a
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lot of uncertainty and a few tariffs, I think you're
gonna end up in the market is obviously responding nervously
to all of this. I think you're walking a dangerous
line for a while here. And look, he was very
clear that this was part of the package, right, and
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people knew that.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Now. I prefer when.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
It goes very quickly, either used as a as a
negotiating tactic, or that the other you know, the other
country cries uncle quickly. But in cases like Canada, you know,
buying Canadian instead of American has become a national pride
movie that they're happy to do and pay a little
bit more money. And so when you're animating those domestic
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forces against you, they don't always cry uncles so fast
because they're like, hey, wait a second. But I think
it's it's a point where worth making that This is
kind of like Donald Trump and the culture war as well,
where lefties were like.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Look at him waging the culture war and.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
It's like, dudes, y'all, y'all are just mad that you
finally have an opponent in the culture.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, like he's he's pushing back on you.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
People are aggressing and now you're getting some back and
you don't like it. So I think that's a point
worth making that some of these unfair trade pricees are real,
particularly from a place like China.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I don't know our Canada so much, but like.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, well that's a very good point about the culture
war and him actually fighting back again. I'm you know,
I think we're in the same place, which is what
we want to happen, is not what has been happening.
So now we've got to try this way and we'll see,
we'll see where this ends up. We're going to take
a short break and come right back with Normally, you know,
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we talk about still Mad Bro segment on here, and
it's often about COVID.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
But the other one that we're still mad Bro about.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Is that Joe Biden was portrayed as competent and with
it and completely sane and.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Normal and you know, run in circles around his young staff.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Right, they can't keep up with him, Mary Catherine, they
cannot keep up with him, And anyone who questioned.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
It was just really hitting below the belt. They were
posting some cheap bakes.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Love the cheap bakes.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
So now the books are coming out and it turns out,
and I know you're gonna be really surprised about this,
but that they knew all along that he won.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Actually up for the job.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Ron Kleen, who was the former White House Chief of Staff,
has a new book out. He served from twenty twenty
one to twenty twenty three, then returned to his side
last June to run debate prep. This is the Guardian reporting.
According to Klein, it turned out that Biden quote didn't
know what Trump had been saying. I couldn't grasp what
the back and forth, was left preparation and fell asleep
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by the pool. This is in the context of that
disastrous tit.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I feel you, I feel you, Joe. I also like
sleeping by the pool.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Obsessed about foreign leaders saying, these guys say I'm doing
a great job as president, so I must be a
great president. Quote didn't really understand what his argument was
on inflation and vote had nothing to say about a
second term other.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Than finish the job.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
I guess this was described by Claim to a reporter
Chris Whipple that at one point Biden had an idea
if he looked perplexed when Trump talked, voters would understand
that Trump was an idiot. Clan Clan replied, sir, when
you look perplexed, people just think you're perplexed.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
And this is our problem in this space. So great,
So yeah, that's where.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
This book uncharted, and Claim's is a different one. But
all this stuff is like spilling out now now it
can be told.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
And someone made the point Michael Powell, who writes at
The Atlantic. Ron Klain, former White White House Chief of Staff,
on Biden last August. He's clearly up to the job.
He's doing it every day, he's doing it successfully. In
the new book, Biden didn't know what Trump had been
saying and couldn't grasp what the back and forth was.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Right, And I saw that tweet by Powell, and the
very first comment was somebody named Aary Hoffman saying, your
outlet lied about the same thing. Any posted a link
to the Atlantic the headline how Republican Operatives fabricate Biden gaffs.
Republican operators were just, you know, fabricating Biden gaffs.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Mary Catherine, there was something to it.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Now, obviously there is something to it. It's so scummy,
it really is. It's unacceptable, and it's a giant scandal
that this went on and that they covered it up
and now they're going to make money, saying what.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
We were all saying all along.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yes, David French, by the way, the conscience of our
people tweeted, I've said this many times before, but the
dishonesty and deception around Biden's mental decline seriously undermined the
Democrats character argument, especially because, unlike so many factchecks that
require expertise, people could see the decline with their own eyes. Again,
the entire media lied to us even though we were
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seeing it with our own lives, and this didn't undermine
the Democrats character argument. This is an indication of Biden's
character and the people surrounding him that they were willing
to perpetrate the worst presidential scandal in my lifetime and
cover it up for the American people so that they
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could try to.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Get another four years out of this. Advise, dude, right.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
It's not a messaging problem, it's not an undermining problem.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
It is their character.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
It is the character of the Biden family and those
people who surround him.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Right, you just didn't see it.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, And I think they're going to try the it
really got bad towards the end line because they are
focusing on when he's already running against Trump. But I
looked it up, and I had a piece in the
New York Post in twenty twenty two called Biden's decline
is obvious to everyone but the press. And my opening
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line was, something is wrong with President Joe Biden, and
everybody knows it.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Two.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I mean the lie that, oh, you know, it got
bad towards the end in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
No, it was bad the whole time.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
No, or that it was news to the people who
were surrounding him. Nope, right, nope.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah of that.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And the thing is that all of these people are
going to have soft landings where it's going to be
completely okay because there are you know, it's a team sport,
and they were on the team and they were doing
what they could to drag this guy across the finish line.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
It's just bad for our country.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I know, we're not supposed to care about the country.
We're only supposed to care about our political party.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
But this is bad for the country to do this
kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
No, I always say that.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
It's like, we desperately need a reliable narrator in this country,
and the media steadfastly refuses to be one.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Right, we want no part in this.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, we don't want to help at all.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
No, there's yelling at us about how the world will
end and the Republic will be doomed if we don't
listen to them.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
It's like, well, earn some trust.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Try that. By the way, I did, I misspoke In
that first book, Fight Inside the Wildest Battle for the
White House, which has those scoops from Claye Is, Jonathan
Allen and Amy Parnes, and then the upcoming fight after
Fight is Chris Whipples Uncharted How Trump beat Biden, Harris
and the odds and the Wildest Campaign in History. There's
also the U Tapper and Derek Thompson.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Book Yes, Yes, that's right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Which I can't remember the name of right this second.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Anyway, we're gonna have lots storied about all the things
we knew right three years ago, which.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Is to be best sellers. They're all going to be
best sellers. That's just going to be so frustrating.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
That is just going to be the worst part about
it is that there's going to be a giant segment
of the population who hear about this for the very
first time who did not know. And you know, I
just Jonathan Chait is gonna chastise you, Mary Catherine, because
you know.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Obviously it was reported the whole time.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
You just didn't see it.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, because I just at the inside joke here.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Jonathan Chait in one of his recent columns, chastised Mary
Catherine when she said that a lot of the COVID
updates that are coming out now are news to the
New York Times readers.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Of the New York Times readers, they didn't.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Cover it at all, Like the potential lab leak was
considered racist, et cetera. I don't want to get into,
you know, our other mad bro topic have.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Well, you know what I think we should do is
that maybe we should pitch a collection of essays on
things we knew ten years before these did best sellers.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, yeah, here's some background on what you're about to discover.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yes, everybody knew this already. Yeah, let's pitch it.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
You know, the Biden stuff is truly one of the
most disgraceful actions I've ever seen around a president. I mean,
that guy couldn't do the job. We still don't know
who was doing the job. Maybe it's in one of
these books. Yeah, and worse worse than him, because politicians,
particularly ones who have lost their brains entirely and whose
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families want to keep them in office to keep protecting
them from all the dastardly deeds they've done in the
conferences there, politicians do things that are bad for the
country and self centered all the time. The press's job
is to actually figure that out. And as long as
it's a Democrat not interested.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yep, and the reporting is just not going to happen
until they're able to get a book deal after the fact.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
All right, I'm still mad. I'm still mad.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Bro Well, thanks for joining us on Normally Normally airs Tuesdays.
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And Thursdays, and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts.
Get in touch with us.
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
And I'm Karl Marco.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
It's so nice to see you again, Mary Catherine.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We had a wonderful day in our nation's capital yesterday.
It was very busy, and I have to tell you,
I just imagine you guys live like that all the time.
I would just saying, you're like at the State Department
seeing the first lady in a leopard coat dress every day.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
No, no, that's not how it goes.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
In fact, yesterday was a very DC day for us,
and ironically we did not record while we were together.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
No, why would we do that.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
We we went to the State Department for the International
Women of Courage event, which was wonderful and we got
to miss any of the international activists who, at great
risk to themselves and great pain at some times, are
able to stand up for women in their communities, including one.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Of the released hostages from is I Meet Susanna.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
We also saw Keith Siegel, who was recently released, and
just as it's always a surprise to see someone you've
been praying for, especially in dire circumstances, like that, and
then to see him well in a room at the
State Department having more d'eures that would be so happful.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, that It really was so nice to see him.
The whole event was really well done. Moving Marco Rubia spoke,
the first lady spoke again. She looked phenomenal. I posted
some pictures of her fit. Pam Bondi was there. Yeah,
just a generally incredible event. And then you and I
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went and did something that we're only going to tell
our listeners about as a little preview.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
But where we went you could tell, you could say,
you could finish my thought.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Yeah, we went over and recorded a little ruthless with
the fellas. Yeah, that's a programming note, stay tuned for that.
Check it out next week sometime.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
We'll let you guys know. Yeah, had a great time
with them.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Wandered around the city, got stuck in the cherry blossom traffic,
which Carol did not believe was only because of cherry blossoms,
and indeed, well not.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Sure really, everybody just came to see trees.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yes, it's real.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
The city is a nightmare during peak bloom, as they
call it, and this is peak bloom. It always comes
on my birthday week. I always end up sort of
half sick on my birthday week as a result, because
the pollen is everywhere. Actually at Ruthless's Josh Holmes, who
was on Special Report with me last night, which is
how I ended my very DC day.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
So funny.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Wait, you skipped the part where we have a drink
with Seth Dylan that we just randomly ran into him.
Another thing that I just imagine just happens in DC
all the time. Oh hey, there's Seth Dylan from Babylon Bee,
let's go grab a drink.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
How to drink with him?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Like?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It was very very posh.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
And then I went over to Special Report and Josh
Holmes and I were talking about the cherry blossoms and
how you didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Believe that the cherry blossoms created all these.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Pubs, but they that's made up, okay.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
And Holmes said, I make I charted as the first
act of international terrorism that the Japanese games.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I see that.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, it is every.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Every spring break group, every family vacation, every like everyone
is here. Yeah, all the school groups, they all come
in on these couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
They want to see that.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And truly if you ever want to see the cherry
blossoms in DC. They're everywhere, so you don't have to
go to the title basin, which is where everyone goes
right around the Jefferson. But if you do go to
the title basin, I am somewhat jaded, and I have
just explained how the cherry blossoms are causing all these problems.
But it is very beautiful and when you go, it
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is stunning. Go at sunrise, it's the only way to
do it.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I'm sorry. That means you have to get up, which
is even worse sunrise all right, because there's no look
at flowering trees at sunrise.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I feel like you don't even know me.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
It wasn't a you.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't tailored to you. That's correct.
That pitch was not for you. Yeah, it's it's annoying,
but it's the only time to see them without a
gajillion people around. So you get your little Instagram shots
with no one in them, like you own the title basin.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
That's a really good point for the instagrammers out there.
Listen to Mary Catherine, go go take the pictures.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Well, that was our that was our big DC day.
And now I'm tired.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, it was exhausting.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Wow, we did a lot. I loved seeing you. It
was a real good time.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Next time, maybe we will record something together. Maybe we'll
take our producer John with us.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Maybe all three of us will go look at flowering trees.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Well.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I mean, also, by the way, now that I've already
complained about all these petty little tiny things in my life,
I should say that going to the International Women of
Courage event and meeting activists from Sri Lanka and Lukina
Faso and all of these places, U wonders for your
perspective on how much you care about the traffic in
your town when you're going from one event to another.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Because true, too true.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yes, well, we have some news that we're going to
be discussing. Yesterday there was a few special elections around
the country. There were two in Florida for Congress, and
there was one for the Wisconsin Supreme Court. One of
those the Democrats won, and the two Florida ones were
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won by Republicans. So obviously the news today is Republicans
crushed and defeated.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
And you know that's the end of that. You know,
when one party gets a big.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Win like Republicans had in November. There's always this sense
like we will never lose again, we can't possibly lose.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Look how good we're doing.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
And I never enjoy that.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I always think we can lose. They can lose, we
can lose.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Everybody can lose, like.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
One of them all telling things to me in twenty sixteen.
And I'll be honest, I did not think Donald Trump
would win. It was a complete shock to me. But
did I never even entertain that idea. That's crazy, that's
a crazy thing to do one of the two major
partner candidates.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
You didn't think it was possible for them to win.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
So what's going to happen is that after Trump is elected,
there will be these elections that people read way too
much into right And in Florida, of course, the results
were great for Republicans, a sizeable win in these special
elections in places that should have been safe for Republicans.
But Democrats had been really touting we're going to spend
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a lot of money and they were gonna they were going.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
To really close the gap, if not beat these guys.
And that's not what happened there.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Well, I don't know if that's not what happened. The
Washington Post thinks that is what happened. The Washington Post
thinks this was a success for Democrats. Their headline on
this was Democrats won a Wisconsin Supreme Court race and
lost to Florida special elections Tuesday. But the trends are
clearly pointing in their direction.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Many other races were called ten minutes after the polls closed.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Barely ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
They write, We've seen before that Trump voters just aren't
as likely to show up for races that don't feature
Trump after all. Again, not true. Ron DeSantis won by
nineteen points. I think that that is just something that
they make up. And this is really the quote that
gets to me quote. In the end, Democrats overperformed their
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twenty twenty four margins by about sixteen points in the
sixth district, which Trump won by thirty points, and about
twenty two points in the first, which Trump had won
by thirty seven. There have been about three dozen special
elections for Congress since Trump was first elected president in
twenty sixteen. Democrats twenty two point overperformance in Florida's first
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district was their best of any of those races, according
to data compiled by down ballot daily cost elections. Their
sixteen point overperformance in the sixth district was tied for
their sixth best.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Now, Okay, that sounds like a lot of ways to
say we lost.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
That is some Mathew math.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So I'm clear.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
The Democrats' best performance in a special election under Trump
was in Florida's first district, which they lost by fourteen points.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Like, may all their wins be this good?
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Yeah, Look, I think I think the Wisconsin one is
more worrisome, obviously. Yeah, that's one to hang their hats on.
Wisconsin Supreme court races have been nationalized for a while now,
it's a very it's a it's a like operationally politicized
state since the like since ten years ago, to such
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a degree that these special elections end up costing a
lot of money, they end up having pretty like a
for special election for it or for a supreme court election,
fairly large turnout at tension nationally, the fact that this
purple state that fell for Trump in twenty twenty four
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that Republicans. Here's the thing that concerns me about that
is that Republicans seemed more optimistic about it than the
numbers say in Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
So Wisconsin.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
They ended up losing by like ten or eleven points
this Supreme Court seat, which will make a difference in
the future, possibly for redistricting things and for the general
well being of the state. The fact that they didn't
seem to know that it would look that bad is
a little concerning. There's a concern that Elon and Elon's
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spending might be polarizing to an extent that it actually
hurts more than it helps, and I think that is
something to be concerned about looking forward.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Right, So I will say this.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I have a polster that follows me. His name is
Rick Schaftan, and he messaged me weeks ago saying we're
not winning Wisconsin. And his thing was that his polls
were showing that they that the Republican candidate was running
on crime and that just wasn't an issue in the
Supreme Court race, that the Wisconsin voters did not see
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crime as aligned.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
With the purpose of a Supreme Court justice there.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
So I'm just going to say that there were Republican
operatives who were aware that this wasn't going to be
a win, and it was like I really would tweet
about it and post about it as well. It wasn't
just sending me this information. This was something he had
out there. So yeah, the fact that it was a
surprise is maybe.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
For them probably mindset.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, I'm probably being too strong about it. Is.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
It concerns me that it was such a large margin, right,
And I didn't expect that. I did expect it to
be a close slash blue leaning race.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
For sure, Right.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And look, the thing is, it makes sense that Democrats
are more motivated right now. That makes a world of sense.
Donald Trump just won this major election. It wasn't close.
It was called the Night of It's just you know,
he won every single swing state. Obviously they're going to
be motivated to get out there, and that includes in Florida.
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But this spin today and I like it because I
think it does break into the Republican we're never going
to lose again mindset, which I hate so much and
I want so.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I didn't like the actual losing, but.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I enjoy the break of that fantasy that Republicans could
never lose again.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
And Democrats are.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Their numbers are in the toilet and everybody hates them,
and who could ever vote for a party with a
twenty one percent approval rating? People do still do they
still vote for that party because there's only two parties
and you pick one of them.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I mean, you've got to get out there and play
the game. That's what game day is for. Yeah, I
think you're right.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
There's a fine line about celebrating a win, which I
think people should be able to do post November and
turning that into what Obama thought, which is demographics's destiny,
and what Democrats thought, which is like, that's never going.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
To end for us, And that wasn't true. It wasn't
true by a long shot.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
In fact, the minority voting numbers for Trump were better
than any republic candidate in recent memory, huge gains in
those areas, devastating to Democrats on a lot of fronts.
But the risks for Republicans are that many of those
many of the voters that are new to the Republican
Party are new voters period, making them lower propensity voters,
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less likely to be in these special elections and off
yr elections, and they might not be very significantly tied
to the Republican Party. And if you don't tie them
to the Republican Party for a couple more cycles, they'll
happily swing back over in a lot of cases. I
remember a friend told me a friend was crowing about
Obama's victory in two thousand and eight and North Carolina
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and declared it on Facebook like this is it North
Carolina's Bluesta yep. And I just lightly said, like, that
doesn't really happen that way, and she was like, you're
out of your mind. Well, you can look at the
polling results from the last couple of president's elections in.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
North Carolina and see how that went.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
These things change, yes, and fast, much faster than people think.
I'm also I understand the blaming Elon, but I I'm not.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Sure that he deserves the blame. I think he was
trying to save.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
What was going to be a losing what was going on, yeah,
a losing election anyway, Obviously he took a risk to
his reputation by doing that. He took the hit, but
I'm not sure, all things considered, that he actually played
any kind of role in it.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
I think the I think there is a certain amount
of polarization and activation that Elon creates as a character
because he is so Elon forward.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
He is very all the way Elon, Yeah, all Elon
all the time.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
But we should keep in mind that the elon as
scapegoat game who both Democrats and Republicans, because Republicans can say,
oh no, not all are our operatives, are our candidates,
and Democrats can say, we love to blame this guy,
and he.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Gets our voters out. So there's some incentives at play there.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Totally good point. Yeah, both sides do benefit from blaming
the elon. Will be right back on normally. Today is
also what Trump is calling Liberation Day. It is the
day that tariffs would be kicking in, but a lot
of countries are saying we're going to drop all US tariffs.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Please don't do this to us.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Now, I feel like I understood a lot about this.
I've obviously been reading a lot more about tariffs in
the last I mean, I would say since Trump really,
in theory I'm a against tariffs, but in practice I
had no idea how many countries had so many tariffs
against American goods, and that was really new information to me. Again,
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in theory, I would love a free market. In practice
we don't have a free market. So kind of looking
forward to seeing where this goes. John Carney, a friend
of mine, is a good financial writer. He had some
interesting thoughts on tariffs. And I'm not going to read
the whole thing. Go look up what he wrote, but
he basically said, this is not a provocation, this is
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not a trade war.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And I love this part.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
He said, this will not be the beginning of the
trade war. It's the beginning of the end of the
trade war the day America.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Started fighting back.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
So we'll see, we'll see whether Americans enjoy the fighting
back if prices go up. Obviously we've talked about how
that might be a concern, but I'm kind of open
to it. I'm kind of open to seeing where this goes.
And I like that that that several countries have already
said we're going to drop all the tariffs on American goods.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yeah. I was listening to Austin Goldsby was on Special
Report last night, who's the He's in Obama's an economic team,
but is now the chairman of the fed up in Chicago,
and he was saying, like, in theory, yes, there is
a way that this could be if it worked out
not like a trade war, and it worked out like
a disarmament of right exactly, then in fact, that wouldn't
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be as inflationary and you wouldn't have as many problems.
I am concerned because, as I keep saying, look, if
you have a nascent recovery or what I think we
actually have, which is a very weak economy inherited from Biden,
that is a little teetering, right, and you add a
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lot of uncertainty and a few tariffs, I think you're
gonna end up in the market is obviously responding nervously
to all of this. I think you're walking a dangerous
line for a while here. And look, he was very
clear that this was part of the package, right, and
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people knew that.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Now. I prefer when.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
It goes very quickly, either used as a as a
negotiating tactic, or that the other you know, the other
country cries uncle quickly. But in cases like Canada, you know,
buying Canadian instead of American has become a national pride
movie that they're happy to do and pay a little
bit more money. And so when you're animating those domestic
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forces against you, they don't always cry uncles so fast
because they're like, hey, wait a second. But I think
it's it's a point where worth making that This is
kind of like Donald Trump and the culture war as well,
where lefties were like.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Look at him waging the culture war and.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
It's like, dudes, y'all, y'all are just mad that you
finally have an opponent in the culture.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, like he's he's pushing back on you.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
People are aggressing and now you're getting some back and
you don't like it. So I think that's a point
worth making that some of these unfair trade pricees are real,
particularly from a place like China.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I don't know our Canada so much, but like.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, well that's a very good point about the culture
war and him actually fighting back again. I'm you know,
I think we're in the same place, which is what
we want to happen, is not what has been happening.
So now we've got to try this way and we'll see,
we'll see where this ends up. We're going to take
a short break and come right back with Normally, you know,
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we talk about still Mad Bro segment on here, and
it's often about COVID.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
But the other one that we're still mad Bro about.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Is that Joe Biden was portrayed as competent and with
it and completely sane and.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Normal and you know, run in circles around his young staff.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Right, they can't keep up with him, Mary Catherine, they
cannot keep up with him, And anyone who questioned.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
It was just really hitting below the belt. They were
posting some cheap bakes.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Love the cheap bakes.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
So now the books are coming out and it turns out,
and I know you're gonna be really surprised about this,
but that they knew all along that he won.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Actually up for the job.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Ron Kleen, who was the former White House Chief of Staff,
has a new book out. He served from twenty twenty
one to twenty twenty three, then returned to his side
last June to run debate prep. This is the Guardian reporting.
According to Klein, it turned out that Biden quote didn't
know what Trump had been saying. I couldn't grasp what
the back and forth, was left preparation and fell asleep
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by the pool. This is in the context of that
disastrous tit.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I feel you, I feel you, Joe. I also like
sleeping by the pool.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Obsessed about foreign leaders saying, these guys say I'm doing
a great job as president, so I must be a
great president. Quote didn't really understand what his argument was
on inflation and vote had nothing to say about a
second term other.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Than finish the job.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
I guess this was described by Claim to a reporter
Chris Whipple that at one point Biden had an idea
if he looked perplexed when Trump talked, voters would understand
that Trump was an idiot. Clan Clan replied, sir, when
you look perplexed, people just think you're perplexed.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
And this is our problem in this space. So great,
So yeah, that's where.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
This book uncharted, and Claim's is a different one. But
all this stuff is like spilling out now now it
can be told.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
And someone made the point Michael Powell, who writes at
The Atlantic. Ron Klain, former White White House Chief of Staff,
on Biden last August. He's clearly up to the job.
He's doing it every day, he's doing it successfully. In
the new book, Biden didn't know what Trump had been
saying and couldn't grasp what the back and forth was.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Right, And I saw that tweet by Powell, and the
very first comment was somebody named Aary Hoffman saying, your
outlet lied about the same thing. Any posted a link
to the Atlantic the headline how Republican Operatives fabricate Biden gaffs.
Republican operators were just, you know, fabricating Biden gaffs.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Mary Catherine, there was something to it.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Now, obviously there is something to it. It's so scummy,
it really is. It's unacceptable, and it's a giant scandal
that this went on and that they covered it up
and now they're going to make money, saying what.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
We were all saying all along.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yes, David French, by the way, the conscience of our
people tweeted, I've said this many times before, but the
dishonesty and deception around Biden's mental decline seriously undermined the
Democrats character argument, especially because, unlike so many factchecks that
require expertise, people could see the decline with their own eyes. Again,
the entire media lied to us even though we were
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seeing it with our own lives, and this didn't undermine
the Democrats character argument. This is an indication of Biden's
character and the people surrounding him that they were willing
to perpetrate the worst presidential scandal in my lifetime and
cover it up for the American people so that they
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could try to.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Get another four years out of this. Advise, dude, right.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
It's not a messaging problem, it's not an undermining problem.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
It is their character.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
It is the character of the Biden family and those
people who surround him.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Right, you just didn't see it.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, And I think they're going to try the it
really got bad towards the end line because they are
focusing on when he's already running against Trump. But I
looked it up, and I had a piece in the
New York Post in twenty twenty two called Biden's decline
is obvious to everyone but the press. And my opening
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line was, something is wrong with President Joe Biden, and
everybody knows it.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Two.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I mean the lie that, oh, you know, it got
bad towards the end in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
No, it was bad the whole time.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
No, or that it was news to the people who
were surrounding him. Nope, right, nope.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah of that.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And the thing is that all of these people are
going to have soft landings where it's going to be
completely okay because there are you know, it's a team sport,
and they were on the team and they were doing
what they could to drag this guy across the finish line.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
It's just bad for our country.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I know, we're not supposed to care about the country.
We're only supposed to care about our political party.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
But this is bad for the country to do this
kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
No, I always say that.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
It's like, we desperately need a reliable narrator in this country,
and the media steadfastly refuses to be one.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Right, we want no part in this.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, we don't want to help at all.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
No, there's yelling at us about how the world will
end and the Republic will be doomed if we don't
listen to them.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
It's like, well, earn some trust.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Try that. By the way, I did, I misspoke In
that first book, Fight Inside the Wildest Battle for the
White House, which has those scoops from Claye Is, Jonathan
Allen and Amy Parnes, and then the upcoming fight after
Fight is Chris Whipples Uncharted How Trump beat Biden, Harris
and the odds and the Wildest Campaign in History. There's
also the U Tapper and Derek Thompson.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Book Yes, Yes, that's right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Which I can't remember the name of right this second.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Anyway, we're gonna have lots storied about all the things
we knew right three years ago, which.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Is to be best sellers. They're all going to be
best sellers. That's just going to be so frustrating.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
That is just going to be the worst part about
it is that there's going to be a giant segment
of the population who hear about this for the very
first time who did not know. And you know, I
just Jonathan Chait is gonna chastise you, Mary Catherine, because
you know.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Obviously it was reported the whole time.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
You just didn't see it.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, because I just at the inside joke here.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Jonathan Chait in one of his recent columns, chastised Mary
Catherine when she said that a lot of the COVID
updates that are coming out now are news to the
New York Times readers.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Of the New York Times readers, they didn't.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Cover it at all, Like the potential lab leak was
considered racist, et cetera. I don't want to get into,
you know, our other mad bro topic have.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Well, you know what I think we should do is
that maybe we should pitch a collection of essays on
things we knew ten years before these did best sellers.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, yeah, here's some background on what you're about to discover.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yes, everybody knew this already. Yeah, let's pitch it.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
You know, the Biden stuff is truly one of the
most disgraceful actions I've ever seen around a president. I mean,
that guy couldn't do the job. We still don't know
who was doing the job. Maybe it's in one of
these books. Yeah, and worse worse than him, because politicians,
particularly ones who have lost their brains entirely and whose
(26:01):
families want to keep them in office to keep protecting
them from all the dastardly deeds they've done in the
conferences there, politicians do things that are bad for the
country and self centered all the time. The press's job
is to actually figure that out. And as long as
it's a Democrat not interested.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yep, and the reporting is just not going to happen
until they're able to get a book deal after the fact.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
All right, I'm still mad. I'm still mad.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Bro Well, thanks for joining us on Normally Normally airs Tuesdays.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
And Thursdays, and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts.
Get in touch with us.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
At normallythepod at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening, and
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