In this explosive episode of The David Rutherford Show, Navy SEAL David Rutherford sits down with Sam Shoemate, a leading voice exposing the truth behind the military's vaccine mandate. Shoemate reveals hard evidence that senior officials in the Department of Defense knew the mandate was unlawful — and enforced it anyway. Discover how thousands of service members were coerced, discharged, and betrayed. Hear the stories of those who suffered — and why the fight for justice is far from over.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
How many young men and women lost their dream when
they refuse to take the COVID nineteen vaccination and they
were kicked out of the military for doing so. This week,
joined me and Sam Shuemate as we explore the unlawful order.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
From the Pentagon. This is to David Rutherford ship.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Nothing infuriates me more than when a country doesn't take
care of the men who are willing to defend it.
What makes me even more angry is when the people
that are in charge of those men aren't willing to
defend their men. Today, we're going to dive into something
(00:44):
that is so profoundly atrocious in so many different ways
that I'm really struggling to find the words to describe it.
And that's why I brought Sam on today. Thank you
so much for joining us. I really appreciate you coming
on absolutely thanks for having me here. So, about six
(01:09):
days ago, you released a video which recognized that senior
members within the Defense Department knew that the orders they
gave to vaccinate their personnel were unlawful, and you referenced
another video that you had done on January first, twenty
(01:29):
twenty four. Can you give the audience a little brief
back on what you're talking about and what the impact
of this forced vaccination has done.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Sure, and I tell people I could give this talk
in five minutes, right, it could take me a whole hour,
So I will try to be as brief with this
so we can actually discuss it. But basically what happened
was the vaccine came out in twenty twenty one. It
was an EUA vaccine, it was Peiser's biointech, and in
August August of twenty twenty one, specifically August twenty third,
(02:09):
that the FDA came out in an approved Peiser's commernity
for FDA approval. So the following day, on August twenty fourth,
the Secretary of Defense Austin He put out the mandate
the service members had to be vaccinated with the FDA
approved vaccine, so this would be Weiser's commernity, which was
(02:31):
allegedly the only thing available. The next month, people started
to notice that there was no FDA approved vaccine.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
It had not been produced.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It had not only not been produced, but obviously it
had not been sent out to the force, So there
there were no stocks across any installations, and with that
they had to do something to make this somehow legal.
I use that term legal loosely, but basically what came
out from that was they made a memo that was
(03:03):
signed by the Acting under Secretary of Defense for the
Defense Health Agency, Terry Atterum, and she signed a memo
that stated that the EUA and FDA vaccines could be
used interchangeably for the purposes of fulfilling the COVID vaccine
nineteen mandate. All Right, a couple of things here. Legally,
(03:27):
that's not possible. You cannot make a vaccine interchangeable. What
Pfiser had done, and they made this very clear, was
they said this can be used interchangeably for the purpose
of the vaccine, the two doo's vaccine, because they are
the similar ingredients. However, they are still legally distinct. Pfiser
made it very clear that they were legally distinct because
(03:49):
they weren't going to they were going to jump into
that fray. They had no interest in getting into the
DoD's business in that regard. So commanders were mandating the
service members take this vaccine based on that memo. And
we have this from commanding generals and everybody else who
used that memo as their launching off point to mandate
that service members get this.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Well, if you back up a little bit, there's two
things here.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
First of all, once again Secondary Defense's memo, the mandate
itself stated that the vaccine would be mandated based on
the FDA approved vaccine, which didn't exist. So his memo
was technically lawful. And this is where the shell.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Game and the.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Slight the slight of hand took off. Okay, So while
his memo was legal and the rest of the public
saw that as legal because that was the legal wording,
there was nothing to fulfill that with legally because the
vaccine was not available, so they had to make that
memorandum underneath. However, we also found out and this is
(04:51):
proven not only in court but just open source documents
that anybody can see that we've put out, many other
people put out. But on August twenty third, when that
BLA A licensing was approved for that commernity vaccine, it
was withdrawn the same day it was approved and withdrawn.
So not only even if the vaccine did exist, even
(05:13):
if it had been produced, it still wouldn't be legal
because the BLA licensing was issued and then withdrawn on
the same exact day the whole thing was fouled up,
and the BLA licensing was not reinstated until December of
twenty twenty one. However, there was still not a vaccine
that was produced, so they were kicking service members out
(05:35):
who were lawfully refusing to take an EUA vaccine. And
this continued on for years until they removed the mandate.
That's basically in a nutshell.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
And what roughly the number that I got from going
on rock was eighty two hundred service members.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Is that corrackt They say about eighty seven hundred. The
number that gets thrown around the mom is eighty seven hundred. However,
it's important to note that those those eighty seven hundred
were the ones that were actually kicked out who were
in the middle of their contracts. There were tens of
thousands more, and some people speculate up to one hundred
thousand who either resigned their commissions, refused to re up,
(06:16):
or whatever the case is, specifically because of this mandate
in what was done because they knew that what was
being ordered was unlawful, illegal, and they didn't want any
part of being a part of an organization that was
willing to do.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
That, So it blows my mind.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I mean for me, it was I remember there was
a case that a lawyer in Arizona was representing some seals,
and that's what obviously caught my attention. And you know,
right from the get gouys like this is insane, that
DoD is foreseen.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
People. Now I got to take a step back.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
And I don't know if you had to go through
this too, But you know, way back when my day
at the beginning, you know, it was at anthrax, right,
you well, get your anthrax dosages, and I think, I
don't even know, I might have three sequences.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And I don't even know how many guys I jabbed right,
and it.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Was I was like, wait, man, can we is there
a way we can know the long term effects? And
putting anthwer shut up and take it right and and
so and I did it like a dutiful you know,
little sailor does. But this, I mean, this experimental, whatever
it is, is is such an abomination to force men
(07:33):
to do that, and particular young healthy men and women
that that that maybe even in my the crazy one
was people that had already gotten it and had you know,
had their own immunity built up from it, and they
still force these people, and that's what caught my eye.
Do you know if any of the lawsuits that have
been brought forward? I know, I know the President came
(07:56):
in and said, hey, everybody, anybody got screwed over by this, absolutely,
we want you to come back in finish thing.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
We're back pay the whole deal.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And I apparently there's like only one hundred and thirteen
people I guess who have done that or.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Something more than I was aware of.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, I just found that.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It took me a little while to find that number,
but it was like one hundred and thirteen had come
back from separated service.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Is there any.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Of those lawsuits that you've seen that have have been
been willing to fight and get some type of compensation
or anything for that?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
So I know that there are still lawsuits in place,
and they came out after the mandate was repealed, because
what happened was they pulled a nice little trick in
twenty twenty two they repealed the mandate through the NDAA.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
So this is when this was when.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Republicans were running for the House and the Senate and
they were trying to you know, this is one of
the big things they were stumping on because they knew
this was a huge issue with their constituency, so they
promised that they would, you know, they if they got elected,
they were going to rep peel the mandate and all
this stuff, and they did. It came out in the NBAA,
the mandate was repealed. With that, judges ruled that all
(09:08):
of the lawsuits that were currently in the pipeline were moot.
They squashed all of the lawsuits which had nothing to
do with the repeal of the mandate because the law
was broken. Service members' constitutional rights were trampled on. The
law was broken, and those lawsuits should have stayed in effect,
but judges summarily ruled that they were all moot because
(09:31):
the mandate was no longer an effect. Therefore there's no
need for a lawsuit. So people had to start all
over again with this. And I know there's a couple now.
I don't know where they're at or what's going on
with them, but they are still fighting to get this
legally ruled on. And the DoD coming out now and
stating that it's unlawful is a huge win. I don't
(09:53):
honestly know what that's going to mean for people that
are fighting, but it was ruled, and I do know
that there's there are two individuals, only two out of
all of the people that have been injured her killed
from this vaccine, this experimental vaccine that did not have
the proper testing. And I'm gonna let anybody who's listening
(10:14):
to this know that if you believe that this was
tested properly and you have not looked into the Pfiser documents,
you're just stupid, just very and simple.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Well, doctor Diami Wolfe, I mean she exposed that with
what she had that she got an army of like
thirty two hundred lawyers.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
They dug into that, right the seventy what is it?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I don't even know how many seventy five thousand pages
of documents have proven categorically there was no legal testing.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
We've heard Robert Kennedy Junior. You know, the whole.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Gamut of this thing is just an abomination of constitutional rights.
It's crazy to me, it is. Do you has anybody
individually reached out you to you and told you their
story that you could share with us?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Oh yeah, one hundreds hundreds. I've see that was the
thing running Terminal CWOS Because for years I was at
the forefront of this fight where I was not only
putting out information and fighting back against this, but I
was taking service members stories, and you know, to finish
that thought, there are two service members who were ruled
(11:16):
by the Department of the Army that the vaccine caused
their injuries. Carolina Standsick is one of those individuals. And
she's now I believe she's twenty five now, but by
the age of twenty three, she had had three heart
attacks in a stroke, and she has a pacemaker. Now
this was otherwise a healthy individual who was vaccinated when
(11:37):
she was an ai T and now she's crippled for life.
She's getting a service dog because she has moments where
she just passes out, and you know, so she has
to have a you know, an animal there to help
her in case of that. But her life has been
has been altered for for forever. And and I know
(12:02):
I know hundreds of other stories, some of them some
of them are so.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I don't know. I'm trying to recall at the top
of my head. There was one that really bothered me.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
It was a it was a warrant officer and this
was in I believe December, it was either November December
of twenty twenty two. But he was he was going
to the one eighty course, one AD Alpha course for
a Special Forces warrant officer, and I had talked to
his teammates, I had spoken to everybody at the course,
and this guy was an absolute pete stud, just an
(12:32):
absolute monster out there doing a simple two mile run
and just dropped dead. And this this happened so many
times of the course of things. In fact, I put
out I put this out on Twitter about a year ago.
But there was there was an individual. You know how
secretive CAG is and how how closed off that environment is,
but there was a there was a major that his
(12:53):
teammates told me basically that he was the He was
considered the top guy in the unit for PT, like
he was the guy. He was just an absolute PT monster.
I believe he's thirty seven or thirty eight according to
his obituary. If you look at his a bituary, obviously
there's no reference to the unit or anything like that.
(13:14):
But I had spoken to a couple of his teammates
who told me his story and same thing. He just
dropped dead of heart failure when he was out doing PT.
And prior to that to be called the top, at
the top of the game, in the unit of all units,
Tier one delta force as a PT stud is like
(13:35):
is like basically calling somebody an Olympic athlete. And we
have story after story of individuals like this who were
in the peak, in prime of their life. We were
just absolute PT monsters whose bodies failed them because of
what was done.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
And to call this, to call this.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
A betrayal or treason or anything that those words just
don't seem strong enough.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
We over use those all the time.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
But our leadership failed to read the law, They failed
to take care of their troops, and they betrayed them knowingly,
and a lot of them, many of them, went out
of their ways to destroy their lives if they refused
to take the vaccine. I mean, went out of their
way to make sure that they were hurt financially and
(14:20):
do everything they possibly could to maim them going forward
so that they would feel the effects of not obeying
this order. And that to me is almost even worse.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
So I think betrayal is absolutely the worst possible thing
that other than death itself, that a human being can feel.
Right in particular, a betrayal where the allegiance is built
upon the existential commitment of willing to put your life
on the line for something bigger than yourself, and that's
what this is now for those of you who are listening.
(14:53):
There's data that supports these injuries, right, just like the
Very's database with its astronaut levels. And you know guaranteed
that we were beginning to find out that that data
has been manipulated as well too, but with the d
MED database, right, the Defense Medical Database, apparently there were
(15:13):
an eleven hundred percent increase in just neurological events alone.
And then there's a there's a former Green Beret colonel
who's out there who's saying that they actually went back
and manipulated the database.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
For a few years before doctor raised. Would you describe
a little bit of that please, So.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I worked for Pete.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Pete, first of all, I will tell you is one
of the best human beings I've ever met in my life.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
And he's a legend. Thirty nine years in the army.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I can't even give you his full resume because some
of it's off the books, but just all the cool
guy stuff you can imagine. And he was one of
three whistleblowers him Major Sam Sigealoff and Lieutenant Colonel doctor
Teresa Long, who came out and exposed what was going
on in the medical database. But like you said, there
were numbers up into the eleven hundred percentiles. And I've
(16:08):
said this on a couple of shows, but I want
to make this very clear. There are some things that
are outside the scope of the law, outside the scope
of playing by the rules or anything else that I
have discovered in my lifetime. There are two things. One Epstein,
they went into his jailhouse, they turned off the cameras,
(16:32):
they told the guards stick their fingers in their ears
and turned the other way, and they killed the dude.
And then they said he killed himself. They didn't play
by the rules. They didn't even try to make it
look like an accident. They just went in there, murdered
him and walked out. The second one is what they
did to the d MED database after this stuff was exposed.
And I'm telling you this is one of the most
(16:53):
sound and fail proof databases that's ever been created. Before
I explain this, I want to tell you why VARs
is something that's input by everybody there is.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
You have an injury, you have something that's done to you.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
You can go into VARs as a as a just
a normal citizen and input your your whatever if.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
But with d MEED it's only the medical provider.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
So your PA's, your your medics, your your doctors, they
are the only people that can input that stuff. So
if you go in for a broken arm and you
get seen two times for a broken arm, it will
show up in d med is two visits. It's not
that there were that many incidents. It means that there
were two visits that you personally had for that broken arm.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
So we saw these.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Numbers of myocardis, myocarditis, abortion and not not people taking
willing abortions. I'm talking about losing their child unwillingly. Uh para,
carbo cancers, turbo cancers, Jame Barr syndrome, all of this
crazy stuff that skyrocketed because people were being seen all
(18:04):
over the place for what was taking place. When this
stuff was exposed, it was so catastrophic that they went
in there over the weekend took the database down. They
had their media outlets published stories immediately saying we had
an error in the database. The last five years of
information is incorrect. We had to take it down. Fix
(18:26):
the data, and they brought it back up within semi
normal levels. They were still high, but they were nowhere
near the catastrophic levels. And here's the crazy thing. That
five years was completely arbitrary. The individual who pulled that
baseline data just chose to do five years. They could
have done six years, or ten years or fifteen years.
(18:47):
That person chose five years just because they wanted to
get a baseline data, and then compared that to twenty
twenty one when the vaccine was out, and they said
that five years, just specifically, those five years were the
corrupt years. And the database. They fixed it, They fixed
the whole database, brought it back up, They spent they
dispelled the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
They said it was fake. This is fake news.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
We had an error in the database and no big deal,
don't worry about it.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
And they didn't.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
They didn't even try to make it look like an accident.
They just they just went in there and fixed it.
They just played god mode. Literally ruined all of that
data that was supposed to be for commanders to understand,
the understand and know the welfare of their troops, the
health of their their force, the readiness of their force.
(19:35):
And they just ruined it. So we don't know what's
going on with that data anymore. We no commander can
rely on de meat anymore as a as a authentic
and relevant database because it was just like that, just
cut off and brought back online with completely different numbers
that to me is insane.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Well it's not just within the d mead.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I mean we saw it in in the financial numbers
at a staggering level.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
We've the job numbers.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
That was my favorite was paying attention to the job
numbers the last few years, and after every two months
of job numbers it would drop by one hundred thousand,
one hundred and fifty thousand, and they completely did those
the Fed. The way the Fed's books look or those
numbers are being I mean, it's almost as if now
where the one place that the American public would at
(20:30):
least have some reliability on, where you know that you
could go in and you could be able to make
a case back on these numbers that were the last bastion, right,
that was the last man on the fence, if you will,
before everything fell. And I think the representation, like you said,
(20:50):
of somebody you know, giving that order right and even
telling that E seven or E five or whoever's sitting
there punching them, Hey, I want you to do this
right now, or if they did it themselves, that that's
taking place, and that's not just taking place on on
if it's taking place at the maximum place of responsibility,
(21:14):
which is the health and wellness of our our service members.
And as a medic man, if if if if my
guys and their med records weren't correct, not only was
what was I screwing them over and getting promotions or
screwing them over and going to the next command they
wanted to go to, if they wanted to go to
a Tier one unit or whatever it was, but more
(21:37):
so screwing them over the long term viability of UH
disability payments or the level of which you know their
service is considered for for retirement, the whole thing. And
there's a there's a motherfucker that that hit that button
and did that, and and what I want to know,
(22:01):
Sam is what in your mind, how do we go
How do we get to Pete hag Seth, how do
we get to Pam Bondy, how do we get to
whoever it is and say there needs this. This cannot
go on anymore. If if somebody doesn't start to face
(22:23):
retribution immediately because they think Pete doing a bunch of
push ups with a bunch of dudes and and Tulsi
doing push ups and doing the whole dog and pony thing,
which I'm I'm, I'm I get and I appreciate, I
love row needed to come up. That's one way to
do it, but the way you're going to bring back
the confidence in us, the guys that fought in the
(22:45):
g watt who they need for us to be able
to tell our children or those kids on the block
that say, hey, weren't you a seal?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Do I want to be a seal? Do you think
I should go in? Fuck?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
No, you shouldn't go in. What do you think can happen?
What needs to take class? Thank you so much for
listening to this week's show with Sam Shuemate. Pardon the interruption,
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Speaker 2 (24:02):
What do you think can happen? What? What? What needs
to take place?
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Well, we've been we've been trying to cut in.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
When I say we, I'm talking about a very large
number of people who have been making a concerted effort,
uh some some huge efforts over the last year specifically,
but really with this administration too, to get this messaging
in and that you know, one of the people I
like to bring attention to is Jordan Carr. She was
a you know Jordan okay was I.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Don't know her. I pay attention to everything she puts.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
She She has been just unrelenting with her messaging and
has been on point in the d D from from
a lot of their uh their verified accounts have have
reposted some of the stuff she's put out. She has
been an absolute stellar statesman by bringing some of the
anger but then doing it in a professional way where
(24:55):
it's going to have effect. And and she's made enemies
in our network of people because some people think that
it should just be you know, just a body of
you know, corpses everywhere, and that we should just that
burn the whole system down. We're like, we're not going
to get any change if we go after them, what
that kind of language, It's not going to happen. So
she's been an incredible statesman for bringing some of that anger,
(25:16):
but also the how to we have gotten this stuff
in front of heg Seth. There is a task force
that's being put together now to to to not only
look at these individuals who who put this stuff in
place at the highest level. In fact, I believe, I
believe honestly the current the current numbers that we're seeing
(25:37):
now of twenty percent attrition in the general officer positions
and then in the coast Guard they just released they're
going to cut twenty five for twenty five percent those
positions and flag officer flag officer billets. So with that,
I think a lot of that is coming out from
the work we've been doing because and I can't tell
you a lot of that stuff on the back end, because.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
A lot of time.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
We don't want to give stuff up.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
It's yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
But anyways, so so with that, I know, I gotta
be careful what I say. There is an individual working
directly for i'll just say the Pentagon and in a
task force capacity that is actively looking at and providing
the information on DMed what was done, and right now
(26:25):
they are they are looking at doing an audit going forward.
I probably shouldn't even say that much, but they are
going to audit the system and figure out what happened,
who took it down, because there's a lot of there's
a lot of crazy stuff with that. Yeah, the people
that own the database unissant. Uh basically we don't. We
are not servicing that database ourself. There is there's a
(26:47):
lot of uh pretty reliable speculation that that is going
out to East Asia, not China, but specifically India and
and we are are our troops medical data is being
housed and viewed by somebody outside of the outside of
the Department of Defense that we contracted that out, and
(27:10):
that to me is even crazier that that's a thing.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Well, I mean, don't even get me started. Man.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Back, I mean all the way back when I was
working for the agency, you know, and I began to
understand interoperability with foreign governments and and sharing of of
electronic intelligence, the whole thing. I just started going, wait
what And then when I got out from there and
I started to understand the contract industry at a higher
(27:41):
level and in particular, you know, data orientation, I started.
You can't help it, shake your head. All of this
stuff is outsourced because our entire system is so antiquated
and so are CA that. I mean, that's what you know.
(28:03):
That's why I think for me, one of the greatest
things that could happen is to let that Doge team
get in there, but really continue to expose I mean,
the whole thing that p came out with what like
two a month and a half ago or something, exposing
the five billion dollars going to consultants, one point eight
billion going to McKinsey and to Booz Allen and all this.
(28:28):
No wonder these people are the most successful lobbyists in
DC because it's just a circle of financial influence back
and forth. Oh, I'm going to support this to this
congressman who will get the bill in my because I
have the defense company. I'll use this Admiral I'll feed
(28:48):
him the policy paper. He puts that in front of
the congressman, then he gets out. I put him on
my board, and it's this self licking ice cream right
and no, wonder why our data is being housed over
in India right now? Now, Wonder why our servers are
so vulnerable?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
And what you just described as something I talk about
a lot. But that's that cyclical. That cycle is why
we can't why we can't affect real change in the
Pentagon without somebody just coming in and hacking it off,
literally just purging the entire thing. And people say it's extreme.
You can't just purge that kind of leadership. But what
(29:28):
you just described is it. These people are putting on
stars under the recommendation, you know, under the approval of
the Senate. Well, the people nominating them for those those
stars is the military industrial complex. So they go in
and they say, this is our guy. Put stars on
here him, here's some lobbying money. They put stars on him.
(29:49):
They approved the contracts for the defense industry. Defense industry
keeps the cycle going. It just goes round and round
and around. You don't break into those stars unless you're
a made man, and you're unless you're ready to play
ball with them, Like you keep the defensive industry running,
you protect the institution otherwise by and and they even
(30:10):
protected more than that. After two stars, you know that
third star is really where you're a made man, the
one in your stars where they they kind of figure
you out.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Are you going to play ball?
Speaker 2 (30:19):
But are you going to play ball?
Speaker 4 (30:21):
You're our guy, You're that's right, You're in there.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I don't know, do you remember back?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I think it was like somewhere I forget we were
ten years into the GWYD, But there was a big
story that came out that it was like something like
five hundred junior officers from the soft community were pushed
out on early retirement, right and and it was and
(30:48):
it and it was. My whole thing was like, wait
a minute, why would you push out these guys that
just had ten years of the most intense combat our
nations ever gone through since Vietnam. They have the experience,
they know their guys, they know what it takes to
win wars.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Why would you get rid of them right now?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
And so you know, now we look at the numbers.
There are more flag officers now than there were during
World War Two, right, and and listen, don't again. You know,
there are most certainly some flag officers that have done
right by their people there for sure. But the problem now,
(31:31):
and I hope everybody understands this, right when you hear
two veterans complaining but making strong arguments as to the
complete and utter breakdown of leadership within the most significant
military in the world, that has the most power, that
has the greatest impact on foreign policy world affairs, I mean,
(31:59):
you know, and you combine that with the atrocities of
the lies that we've been pitched for the past thirty
years and the engagements we're in and why we're in them,
and you, you know, you have to begin to realize
why we're saying these things, because there needs to be
something that takes place. You're right, Sam, I don't think
(32:23):
we chopped the head off, the entire head off, for sure,
but I think possible. It's not possible. We can't conduct
operations if we do that. So do you believe this
first twenty percent? Will it be sweeping or are they
gonna you know, go along the line, And because I
think what, you know, what the other side's freaked out
(32:44):
about or Whoever, the other side is the pro military
industrial complex. I'm not even saying left or right conservative
it because that's not where Sam and I come from.
And I'm telling you that right now. We come from.
What's going to benefit the person that's willing to save
your country's life?
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Right?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
So is is that twenty percent? Just is that a
legal thing? Like that's the only way you can bulk fire?
Or do you think they're going And they're saying this guy,
this guy, this woman, this guy.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Well, once again, I'll be careful now. I put a
video out back in November. We were asked by somebody
very high up in the Pentagon that was coming in
to provide them with a list. This was actually asked
of Pete Chambers, who I talked about earlier, doctor Pete Chambers.
This was a person who knew him personally. Reached out
to him and he said, hey, I'm going to hand
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this off to Sam. He runs a social media page,
Terminal CWO And the guy said, yeah, I've heard of it,
so he pushed it over to me. I reached out
to some folks who are in the same circles I'm in.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Now.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
We had we had an six like three fives, a
couple of four's legal counsel in there. I mean it
was it was a really well diversified group legal, you know,
a couple O three's and then enlisted guy. And then
we even had a E nine from the Coast Guard
(34:09):
who provided us with names from Coast Guard, and that
person put together their own list with a group that
they had come together. Anyways, we submitted this list. It
was very frustrating because nothing happened with it. We saw
a couple of names fall off the list, but relatively speaking,
nothing was done. And that was frustrating because we'd put
a lot of work into that, like good seventy two hours,
(34:30):
because we were given a very short suspense on getting
that list in and just recently we were asked again
to update the list.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
So we went in, we made some updates, We added,
you know.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
People who had retired already or possibly had been promoted,
and we gave that list back to another individual who
is well placed, and they said, we're trying, We're gonna
see what we can do. We know there's a lot
of blowback from the Senate, there's a lot of pushback
to protect a lot of these individuals.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
I know this specif let me let me tell you
a sort of really quick.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
So when we when we sent that first list up,
there was a three star, a three star Air Force.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
General on that list, and.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Doc Pete Chambers he gets a call from from a
I always get the rank wrong.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
I'll just say air Force E nine. They have the
longest title.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Anyways, this Air Force A nine, he uh, he reached
out to him, said he wanted to talk to him about,
you know, the list, and some we're like, that's that's weird,
Like how do you know about this? Well, we got
to look an into it, and that was the senior
enlisted advisor for that three star, So within twenty four hours,
that three star already knew about it. And then we
found out that that three star's wife actually worked on
(35:46):
the Trump team. She was in some capacity, but she
was part of Trump's team. So that list had made
it to her in that amount of time. She tried
to have you know, her husband's E nine reach out
and just hey, just wanted to do the political thing
and talk about this and why is his name on there.
We didn't have that conversation with him, but that's how
(36:07):
fast it moved, and that's how serious they took it.
So I hope that Pete haig Seth's inability to get
that purge done prior to this was simply due to
politics and the kind of kind of you know, the
stress and the strain he's been under in his war,
absolute war. But I know that there are people trying
(36:29):
to do something about it. So all of that is
a long, long, long, long and long answer. Sorry, but
all of that to say that, no, they are not
just cutting off the top whatever. They are systematically looking
at individuals who promoted DEI aggressively, not just not just
went along with it, but aggressively promoted, institutionalized it, made
(36:50):
it a framework for the military, pushed very woke concepts
to very very aggressive racist concepts, making statements to the
effect of, you know, like we need to promote more
people of color, and there's too many white people in
the forest.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Very white pilots. The white pilots thing was just, I mean,
it's just it's asinine, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
That and then to a lesser degree on the COVID stuff,
and that was made clear to us that they were
more focused on the DEI and the wokeness and all
that than they were the COVID. However, those kind of
things kind of bled in hand in hand to a
certain degree.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
So there is a very extensive list.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
We gave them with more than what they asked, but
who we have receipts on and we'll see if they
use it.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
We'll see if they do anything.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Pardon the interruption, but once again, we just want to
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(38:10):
these motivational events that I'm going to be doing regularly.
So please check us out May thirty first, Live motivational
event with me Kuyah. Well, first, I just got to
say thank you for putting that together with your team
and the people that care, and you know, I for me,
(38:30):
I think one of the great challenges is, you know,
the American public continues to see whether it's Epstein or
it's this stuff, they see this or they feel a
general malaise right that there's nothing going to happen, nothing
gonna you know, it's funny. I'll show my wife, could
(38:53):
you believe this? And she goes stop showing me that
crap until something happens. I'm sick of it. And so
that cognitive the dissonance is so entrenched in human beings
in this country because I think they just they feel
like it doesn't matter anymore. It doesn't matter, And what
I want them to know is that it does matter.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
There is a war.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Taking place behind the scenes by Sam, by his team,
buy everybody else out there that are in all these
different places. There are people that are now you know,
bonded over these adrocities and are are are bringing bringing
the heat.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
So there there are there are people doing stuff all
over the place. And the problem is is we think
that if it's not published on social media, that it
that it doesn't exist. And that's hard because you have
to walk that fine line of you know, operational security.
But also we want to show people that there's something
to hope for and it's not just in this fight,
(39:52):
and it's everywhere.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
You know.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
One of the big things that just came out with
Sean Ryan show the other day with UH with Tim Tebow,
and that was that was hurtling for so many people.
But this is something that I've worked in for years now.
I've worked in counter human trafficking, I've I've worked in
these alliances in these networks. I'm very familiar with what's
going on. And i can tell you there are a
lot of people doing work. But the work is expensive,
(40:17):
there's a lot of pushback, it's very dangerous. It involves
oftentimes going up against hardened, hardened organizations like cartels and.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
It's mafia's from around the wield.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
It's very difficult, very very expensive, like I said, and
you can't publicize that stuff.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
You just can't.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
You can't talk about the work you're done because there's
people that are out there doing stuff that I'll just
tell you is what do they say in special operations,
we operate in the gray area. I'll just leave it
with that, that are operating in the gray area. And
how do you tell people stuff like that. You can't,
So it just has to happen, and these people have
to go alone and try to establish these alliances outside of.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
The legal framework.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
I'll just say I love that you brought up the
cost of it, because that's what I think people don't understand,
is the magnitude of costs. You know.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
I was talking to my friend Jared Hudson recently and
he was just I was like, you know, how's funding going,
because he had he had run for sheriff down in
Alabama and then that funding shifted towards his trafficking organization.
And he's like, it's been good, but it's hard because
I'm so busy doing this other stuff. So you know,
(41:35):
what I always say to people who want to give,
because there's as many people that want to give to
the aid organizations that facilitate the the overtaking of America
right there's as many Americans that are willing to give.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Money to these organizations. And so what I always try
and say advocate for you want to give money, you
want to help people find a trafficking organization that's doing
good work that you can get somebody actually who's involved
on the phone. They will describe what they're doing and
send money to them, because that, I believe is the
(42:17):
greatest battle that we face in the world for sure.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
I mean literally, just to put it in perspective based
on you know, to piggyback on what you just said
was a lot of these operations can cost into the
hundreds of thousands of dollars depending on where you're going.
Even stuff within the continent of the United States is
going to cost based on a small team doing doing
whatever type of operation could cost anywhere to fifty to
(42:40):
one hundred thousand dollars. And if you're talking about an
international operation, the amount of people you have to pay
off and the kind of can you.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Break that down? Sam?
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Can you break some of those costs down? Some people
understand because I think what happens when people throw out
these giant numbers. They're like, one hundred thousand for what? Man,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Yeah, you have to first of all, let's just talk
about the logistics.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
You're going to talk about airplanes, talking about equipment, food, lodging,
and a lot of.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
These folks are very resourceful.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
They'll sleep on the ground if they have to, but
in some of these cases it's it's not ideal to
do stuff like that. So all the logistical expenses in
that alone, But the real cost comes in when you
start talking about developing networks and alliances and when you're
going into non permissible environments. You're gonna have to build,
(43:32):
build out those friendships with people who really don't care
what you're involved in. They just are you gonna pay
me or not? They want the money, So you know
you're gonna have to pay somebody off to do that.
And that we obviously know this very well. If anybody's
worked in special operations, you know what that looks like.
But for folks who don't, it's the same type of work.
You have to pay these people and build these build
(43:54):
these things. And then you have to build You have
to build out those eyes and ears on the grounds.
You have to build out your sources. You have to
These people all want money. None of this is done
for free. They are not doing this out of the
kindness of their heart. All of this stuff involves money. Now,
the operators who are doing the work, yeah, they're not
making anything, okay, they are doing this out of the kindness,
out of their heart. They're not getting rich off this,
(44:14):
and they're putting their lives on the line to do this.
But they have to give so much money to all
these different places. And then and then you have to
talk about stuff like and I'll be very careful with
this but a lot of the stuff's involves wet work
where you're you're talking about guys who go in and
you have extraction teams to get this stuff out, But
then you have guys that you have to pay that
are off the books, that are not part of your organization,
(44:36):
that don't exist, that are working in alias because.
Speaker 4 (44:38):
They're gonna go in there and they're gonna kill people.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
They're gonna go murder what's in there, and they nothing
can ever get back to them. They have to be
completely disconnected from everything and anyone, and and that involves
a whole The costs of all this stuff is so
incredibly expensive, and the type of knowledge that goes into
this work is so is so extensive that you know,
(45:01):
people don't think about all these little things. And then
and then you have your your analysts and all these
folks who are digging into this stuff on on the backside,
and they're they're looking into judges, and they're looking into
CPS and foster care and local law enforcement and seeing
which sheriff is dirty and who's allowing this and putting
together these these target packets of you know, who, who
(45:24):
is who is facilitating this movement up and down the
border and who's doing what and everything else. It is
just it is a lot of work. People have families
to feed, they have they have it's you know, I
go on and on, but it's it's massive.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Thank you for describing and in that in that context,
I really that's the problem, you know, And I think
that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
That's all of these things.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Right, people know that there are these travesties of justice
taking place at at a magnitude never before. Right, I
think really the exposure of COVID, the pulling back of
the curtain, you know, for one, psychologically, that's challenging for
for many many people. Right, People just don't want to
(46:12):
acknowledge the the.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Way the world works.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
They might know it or have heard some things.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
They've read a book, seen a movie, whatever the hell
know a guy right, Oh, I had a buddy who
was this, and but but to actually dig in and
allow yourself intellectually to decipher what all this means, it's
overwhelming for people. And so you know that I think
is a very difficult thing to penetrate through. But that's
(46:43):
what's taking place. And I think now that's why I'm
such a massive fan of yours and what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
And I know, fans the wrong word.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Admiration is probably the better, but you know, it's it's
really just you know, it's this. Your stuff pulls me in.
It pulls me in as it hopefully does other people emotionally. Right,
you hear these stories and your your your your soul's
laid forth on this.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
You know this, this.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
This table of of like astonishment that this is how
we're treating our veterans, this is how children are being
treated around the world. Well, thank god, there are people
that still want to Roger up, raise their right hand
and defend the nation or defend the ideal of what
the Republic represents. But more importantly, you know, there are
(47:39):
people like us who said, well I don't want to
go do it over there anymore. I want to go
do it over here. Yes, So that's what's taking place
as well too. So Sam, I again, man, thank you
so much for what you're doing. I just again, now,
I do know that you're starting a new site, you've
(48:01):
got a podcast. Can you describe that a little bit
so we can get some exposure and really start driving
people towards what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Well, I you know this was really hard for me
because I was working in this space with doctor Pete
Chambers and I still am, but I after going on
the Sean Ryan Show, it really blew some stuff up
in my world and I had some big recommendations from
people who knew me. Anyways, the organization that I'm i
am officially working for right now is the chief operating
(48:31):
officer is to organizations, it's our country, our choice. Where
I'm running a new podcast and doing a thing, and
it's it's a movement. But to talk less about that,
focusing on Republic republic dot us and we have a
big relaunch that's that's that's happening next month. We're going
to be coming out with an app and a bunch
of really cool features. But basically the purpose of this
(48:52):
is to give It is to mobilize and push citizens
in their community to report on low cool news. And
it's important that people understand the same The same media
outlets at the national level that are controlled by big
money are controlling local media outlets with the same big money.
(49:16):
And I've promised you can look into this and if
if you've noticed a lack of solid reporting in your community,
there's a reason for that because they are bound by
the same restrictions on their editorial staff that the guys
at the big level are. So we want to mobilize
people to go start shining a light in their community,
Go start writing stories, Go be that citizen journalist. So
that's what this platform is for. And you can write
(49:38):
about anything. You can write about corruption in politics, you
can write about sports, your school system, school system. Yeah,
we're going to have a local TikTok feed on there,
so you can just post a video of a car
wreck or a local barbecue or whatever you want to do.
But the whole point is we want to start focusing
on local. It's going to be ad free, and for
people that do post, it's going to cost a subscription
(49:59):
because it's the only way we can and maintain our servers.
It's completely ad free. My boss, though he has money,
he is not able to bankroll this entire thing in
this effort we're doing.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
So, Uh, you don't want to do it that way though.
You want the people to have skin in the.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Game, man, Yes, for want people to have skin in
the game, and we want them to understand that you
can make a huge difference in your community. And these
articles articles can be shared on out on social media.
But the thing is, the cool thing is we're launching
here in Orlando, where I'm at right now. If I
pop up my feed and we're getting more contributors on
and the next month we're doing a huge push. But
(50:36):
I pop up my feed, I look at the local
algorithm and that's all it is.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
It's local news.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
I'm not I'm not talking about Trump, I'm not talking
about I'm not talking about any stuff.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
It's all local news what's going on. And that's what
I want.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
I want to know what's going on in my community
because that's where I can make change and affect things.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
So that's what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Amen, and will you give that that site again one
more time?
Speaker 4 (50:58):
Public dot US Republic.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Dot U s Sam. Thank you so much, man, God
bless you. Stay safe and keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
Brother, I appreciate it.
How many young men and women lost their dream when
they refuse to take the COVID nineteen vaccination and they
were kicked out of the military for doing so. This week,
joined me and Sam Shuemate as we explore the unlawful order.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
From the Pentagon. This is to David Rutherford ship.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Nothing infuriates me more than when a country doesn't take
care of the men who are willing to defend it.
What makes me even more angry is when the people
that are in charge of those men aren't willing to
defend their men. Today, we're going to dive into something
(00:44):
that is so profoundly atrocious in so many different ways
that I'm really struggling to find the words to describe it.
And that's why I brought Sam on today. Thank you
so much for joining us. I really appreciate you coming
on absolutely thanks for having me here. So, about six
(01:09):
days ago, you released a video which recognized that senior
members within the Defense Department knew that the orders they
gave to vaccinate their personnel were unlawful, and you referenced
another video that you had done on January first, twenty
(01:29):
twenty four. Can you give the audience a little brief
back on what you're talking about and what the impact
of this forced vaccination has done.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Sure, and I tell people I could give this talk
in five minutes, right, it could take me a whole hour,
So I will try to be as brief with this
so we can actually discuss it. But basically what happened
was the vaccine came out in twenty twenty one. It
was an EUA vaccine, it was Peiser's biointech, and in
August August of twenty twenty one, specifically August twenty third,
(02:09):
that the FDA came out in an approved Peiser's commernity
for FDA approval. So the following day, on August twenty fourth,
the Secretary of Defense Austin He put out the mandate
the service members had to be vaccinated with the FDA
approved vaccine, so this would be Weiser's commernity, which was
(02:31):
allegedly the only thing available. The next month, people started
to notice that there was no FDA approved vaccine.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
It had not been produced.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It had not only not been produced, but obviously it
had not been sent out to the force, So there
there were no stocks across any installations, and with that
they had to do something to make this somehow legal.
I use that term legal loosely, but basically what came
out from that was they made a memo that was
(03:03):
signed by the Acting under Secretary of Defense for the
Defense Health Agency, Terry Atterum, and she signed a memo
that stated that the EUA and FDA vaccines could be
used interchangeably for the purposes of fulfilling the COVID vaccine
nineteen mandate. All Right, a couple of things here. Legally,
(03:27):
that's not possible. You cannot make a vaccine interchangeable. What
Pfiser had done, and they made this very clear, was
they said this can be used interchangeably for the purpose
of the vaccine, the two doo's vaccine, because they are
the similar ingredients. However, they are still legally distinct. Pfiser
made it very clear that they were legally distinct because
(03:49):
they weren't going to they were going to jump into
that fray. They had no interest in getting into the
DoD's business in that regard. So commanders were mandating the
service members take this vaccine based on that memo. And
we have this from commanding generals and everybody else who
used that memo as their launching off point to mandate
that service members get this.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Well, if you back up a little bit, there's two
things here.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
First of all, once again Secondary Defense's memo, the mandate
itself stated that the vaccine would be mandated based on
the FDA approved vaccine, which didn't exist. So his memo
was technically lawful. And this is where the shell.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Game and the.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Slight the slight of hand took off. Okay, So while
his memo was legal and the rest of the public
saw that as legal because that was the legal wording,
there was nothing to fulfill that with legally because the
vaccine was not available, so they had to make that
memorandum underneath. However, we also found out and this is
(04:51):
proven not only in court but just open source documents
that anybody can see that we've put out, many other
people put out. But on August twenty third, when that
BLA A licensing was approved for that commernity vaccine, it
was withdrawn the same day it was approved and withdrawn.
So not only even if the vaccine did exist, even
(05:13):
if it had been produced, it still wouldn't be legal
because the BLA licensing was issued and then withdrawn on
the same exact day the whole thing was fouled up,
and the BLA licensing was not reinstated until December of
twenty twenty one. However, there was still not a vaccine
that was produced, so they were kicking service members out
(05:35):
who were lawfully refusing to take an EUA vaccine. And
this continued on for years until they removed the mandate.
That's basically in a nutshell.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
And what roughly the number that I got from going
on rock was eighty two hundred service members.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Is that corrackt They say about eighty seven hundred. The
number that gets thrown around the mom is eighty seven hundred. However,
it's important to note that those those eighty seven hundred
were the ones that were actually kicked out who were
in the middle of their contracts. There were tens of
thousands more, and some people speculate up to one hundred
thousand who either resigned their commissions, refused to re up,
(06:16):
or whatever the case is, specifically because of this mandate
in what was done because they knew that what was
being ordered was unlawful, illegal, and they didn't want any
part of being a part of an organization that was
willing to do.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
That, So it blows my mind.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I mean for me, it was I remember there was
a case that a lawyer in Arizona was representing some seals,
and that's what obviously caught my attention. And you know,
right from the get gouys like this is insane, that
DoD is foreseen.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
People. Now I got to take a step back.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
And I don't know if you had to go through
this too, But you know, way back when my day
at the beginning, you know, it was at anthrax, right,
you well, get your anthrax dosages, and I think, I
don't even know, I might have three sequences.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And I don't even know how many guys I jabbed right,
and it.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Was I was like, wait, man, can we is there
a way we can know the long term effects? And
putting anthwer shut up and take it right and and
so and I did it like a dutiful you know,
little sailor does. But this, I mean, this experimental, whatever
it is, is is such an abomination to force men
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to do that, and particular young healthy men and women
that that that maybe even in my the crazy one
was people that had already gotten it and had you know,
had their own immunity built up from it, and they
still force these people, and that's what caught my eye.
Do you know if any of the lawsuits that have
been brought forward? I know, I know the President came
(07:56):
in and said, hey, everybody, anybody got screwed over by this, absolutely,
we want you to come back in finish thing.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
We're back pay the whole deal.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And I apparently there's like only one hundred and thirteen
people I guess who have done that or.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Something more than I was aware of.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, I just found that.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It took me a little while to find that number,
but it was like one hundred and thirteen had come
back from separated service.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Is there any.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Of those lawsuits that you've seen that have have been
been willing to fight and get some type of compensation
or anything for that?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
So I know that there are still lawsuits in place,
and they came out after the mandate was repealed, because
what happened was they pulled a nice little trick in
twenty twenty two they repealed the mandate through the NDAA.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
So this is when this was when.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Republicans were running for the House and the Senate and
they were trying to you know, this is one of
the big things they were stumping on because they knew
this was a huge issue with their constituency, so they
promised that they would, you know, they if they got elected,
they were going to rep peel the mandate and all
this stuff, and they did. It came out in the NBAA,
the mandate was repealed. With that, judges ruled that all
(09:08):
of the lawsuits that were currently in the pipeline were moot.
They squashed all of the lawsuits which had nothing to
do with the repeal of the mandate because the law
was broken. Service members' constitutional rights were trampled on. The
law was broken, and those lawsuits should have stayed in effect,
but judges summarily ruled that they were all moot because
(09:31):
the mandate was no longer an effect. Therefore there's no
need for a lawsuit. So people had to start all
over again with this. And I know there's a couple now.
I don't know where they're at or what's going on
with them, but they are still fighting to get this
legally ruled on. And the DoD coming out now and
stating that it's unlawful is a huge win. I don't
(09:53):
honestly know what that's going to mean for people that
are fighting, but it was ruled, and I do know
that there's there are two individuals, only two out of
all of the people that have been injured her killed
from this vaccine, this experimental vaccine that did not have
the proper testing. And I'm gonna let anybody who's listening
(10:14):
to this know that if you believe that this was
tested properly and you have not looked into the Pfiser documents,
you're just stupid, just very and simple.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Well, doctor Diami Wolfe, I mean she exposed that with
what she had that she got an army of like
thirty two hundred lawyers.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
They dug into that, right the seventy what is it?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I don't even know how many seventy five thousand pages
of documents have proven categorically there was no legal testing.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
We've heard Robert Kennedy Junior. You know, the whole.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Gamut of this thing is just an abomination of constitutional rights.
It's crazy to me, it is. Do you has anybody
individually reached out you to you and told you their
story that you could share with us?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Oh yeah, one hundreds hundreds. I've see that was the
thing running Terminal CWOS Because for years I was at
the forefront of this fight where I was not only
putting out information and fighting back against this, but I
was taking service members stories, and you know, to finish
that thought, there are two service members who were ruled
(11:16):
by the Department of the Army that the vaccine caused
their injuries. Carolina Standsick is one of those individuals. And
she's now I believe she's twenty five now, but by
the age of twenty three, she had had three heart
attacks in a stroke, and she has a pacemaker. Now
this was otherwise a healthy individual who was vaccinated when
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she was an ai T and now she's crippled for life.
She's getting a service dog because she has moments where
she just passes out, and you know, so she has
to have a you know, an animal there to help
her in case of that. But her life has been
has been altered for for forever. And and I know
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I know hundreds of other stories, some of them some
of them are so.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I don't know. I'm trying to recall at the top
of my head. There was one that really bothered me.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
It was a it was a warrant officer and this
was in I believe December, it was either November December
of twenty twenty two. But he was he was going
to the one eighty course, one AD Alpha course for
a Special Forces warrant officer, and I had talked to
his teammates, I had spoken to everybody at the course,
and this guy was an absolute pete stud, just an
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absolute monster out there doing a simple two mile run
and just dropped dead. And this this happened so many
times of the course of things. In fact, I put
out I put this out on Twitter about a year ago.
But there was there was an individual. You know how
secretive CAG is and how how closed off that environment is,
but there was a there was a major that his
(12:53):
teammates told me basically that he was the He was
considered the top guy in the unit for PT, like
he was the guy. He was just an absolute PT monster.
I believe he's thirty seven or thirty eight according to
his obituary. If you look at his a bituary, obviously
there's no reference to the unit or anything like that.
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But I had spoken to a couple of his teammates
who told me his story and same thing. He just
dropped dead of heart failure when he was out doing PT.
And prior to that to be called the top, at
the top of the game, in the unit of all units,
Tier one delta force as a PT stud is like
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is like basically calling somebody an Olympic athlete. And we
have story after story of individuals like this who were
in the peak, in prime of their life. We were
just absolute PT monsters whose bodies failed them because of
what was done.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
And to call this, to call this.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
A betrayal or treason or anything that those words just
don't seem strong enough.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
We over use those all the time.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
But our leadership failed to read the law, They failed
to take care of their troops, and they betrayed them knowingly,
and a lot of them, many of them, went out
of their ways to destroy their lives if they refused
to take the vaccine. I mean, went out of their
way to make sure that they were hurt financially and
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do everything they possibly could to maim them going forward
so that they would feel the effects of not obeying
this order. And that to me is almost even worse.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
So I think betrayal is absolutely the worst possible thing
that other than death itself, that a human being can feel.
Right in particular, a betrayal where the allegiance is built
upon the existential commitment of willing to put your life
on the line for something bigger than yourself, and that's
what this is now for those of you who are listening.
(14:53):
There's data that supports these injuries, right, just like the
Very's database with its astronaut levels. And you know guaranteed
that we were beginning to find out that that data
has been manipulated as well too, but with the d
MED database, right, the Defense Medical Database, apparently there were
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an eleven hundred percent increase in just neurological events alone.
And then there's a there's a former Green Beret colonel
who's out there who's saying that they actually went back
and manipulated the database.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
For a few years before doctor raised. Would you describe
a little bit of that please, So.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I worked for Pete.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Pete, first of all, I will tell you is one
of the best human beings I've ever met in my life.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
And he's a legend. Thirty nine years in the army.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I can't even give you his full resume because some
of it's off the books, but just all the cool
guy stuff you can imagine. And he was one of
three whistleblowers him Major Sam Sigealoff and Lieutenant Colonel doctor
Teresa Long, who came out and exposed what was going
on in the medical database. But like you said, there
were numbers up into the eleven hundred percentiles. And I've
(16:08):
said this on a couple of shows, but I want
to make this very clear. There are some things that
are outside the scope of the law, outside the scope
of playing by the rules or anything else that I
have discovered in my lifetime. There are two things. One Epstein,
they went into his jailhouse, they turned off the cameras,
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they told the guards stick their fingers in their ears
and turned the other way, and they killed the dude.
And then they said he killed himself. They didn't play
by the rules. They didn't even try to make it
look like an accident. They just went in there, murdered
him and walked out. The second one is what they
did to the d MED database after this stuff was exposed.
And I'm telling you this is one of the most
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sound and fail proof databases that's ever been created. Before
I explain this, I want to tell you why VARs
is something that's input by everybody there is.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
You have an injury, you have something that's done to you.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
You can go into VARs as a as a just
a normal citizen and input your your whatever if.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
But with d MEED it's only the medical provider.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
So your PA's, your your medics, your your doctors, they
are the only people that can input that stuff. So
if you go in for a broken arm and you
get seen two times for a broken arm, it will
show up in d med is two visits. It's not
that there were that many incidents. It means that there
were two visits that you personally had for that broken arm.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
So we saw these.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Numbers of myocardis, myocarditis, abortion and not not people taking
willing abortions. I'm talking about losing their child unwillingly. Uh para,
carbo cancers, turbo cancers, Jame Barr syndrome, all of this
crazy stuff that skyrocketed because people were being seen all
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over the place for what was taking place. When this
stuff was exposed, it was so catastrophic that they went
in there over the weekend took the database down. They
had their media outlets published stories immediately saying we had
an error in the database. The last five years of
information is incorrect. We had to take it down. Fix
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the data, and they brought it back up within semi
normal levels. They were still high, but they were nowhere
near the catastrophic levels. And here's the crazy thing. That
five years was completely arbitrary. The individual who pulled that
baseline data just chose to do five years. They could
have done six years, or ten years or fifteen years.
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That person chose five years just because they wanted to
get a baseline data, and then compared that to twenty
twenty one when the vaccine was out, and they said
that five years, just specifically, those five years were the
corrupt years. And the database. They fixed it, They fixed
the whole database, brought it back up, They spent they
dispelled the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
They said it was fake. This is fake news.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
We had an error in the database and no big deal,
don't worry about it.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
And they didn't.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
They didn't even try to make it look like an accident.
They just they just went in there and fixed it.
They just played god mode. Literally ruined all of that
data that was supposed to be for commanders to understand,
the understand and know the welfare of their troops, the
health of their their force, the readiness of their force.
(19:35):
And they just ruined it. So we don't know what's
going on with that data anymore. We no commander can
rely on de meat anymore as a as a authentic
and relevant database because it was just like that, just
cut off and brought back online with completely different numbers
that to me is insane.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Well it's not just within the d mead.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I mean we saw it in in the financial numbers
at a staggering level.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
We've the job numbers.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
That was my favorite was paying attention to the job
numbers the last few years, and after every two months
of job numbers it would drop by one hundred thousand,
one hundred and fifty thousand, and they completely did those
the Fed. The way the Fed's books look or those
numbers are being I mean, it's almost as if now
where the one place that the American public would at
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least have some reliability on, where you know that you
could go in and you could be able to make
a case back on these numbers that were the last bastion, right,
that was the last man on the fence, if you will,
before everything fell. And I think the representation, like you said,
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of somebody you know, giving that order right and even
telling that E seven or E five or whoever's sitting
there punching them, Hey, I want you to do this
right now, or if they did it themselves, that that's
taking place, and that's not just taking place on on
if it's taking place at the maximum place of responsibility,
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which is the health and wellness of our our service members.
And as a medic man, if if if if my
guys and their med records weren't correct, not only was
what was I screwing them over and getting promotions or
screwing them over and going to the next command they
wanted to go to, if they wanted to go to
a Tier one unit or whatever it was, but more
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so screwing them over the long term viability of UH
disability payments or the level of which you know their
service is considered for for retirement, the whole thing. And
there's a there's a motherfucker that that hit that button
and did that, and and what I want to know,
(22:01):
Sam is what in your mind, how do we go
How do we get to Pete hag Seth, how do
we get to Pam Bondy, how do we get to
whoever it is and say there needs this. This cannot
go on anymore. If if somebody doesn't start to face
(22:23):
retribution immediately because they think Pete doing a bunch of
push ups with a bunch of dudes and and Tulsi
doing push ups and doing the whole dog and pony thing,
which I'm I'm, I'm I get and I appreciate, I
love row needed to come up. That's one way to
do it, but the way you're going to bring back
the confidence in us, the guys that fought in the
(22:45):
g watt who they need for us to be able
to tell our children or those kids on the block
that say, hey, weren't you a seal?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Do I want to be a seal? Do you think
I should go in? Fuck?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
No, you shouldn't go in. What do you think can happen?
What needs to take class? Thank you so much for
listening to this week's show with Sam Shuemate. Pardon the interruption,
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Speaker 2 (24:02):
What do you think can happen? What? What? What needs
to take place?
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Well, we've been we've been trying to cut in.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
When I say we, I'm talking about a very large
number of people who have been making a concerted effort,
uh some some huge efforts over the last year specifically,
but really with this administration too, to get this messaging
in and that you know, one of the people I
like to bring attention to is Jordan Carr. She was
a you know Jordan okay was I.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Don't know her. I pay attention to everything she puts.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
She She has been just unrelenting with her messaging and
has been on point in the d D from from
a lot of their uh their verified accounts have have
reposted some of the stuff she's put out. She has
been an absolute stellar statesman by bringing some of the
anger but then doing it in a professional way where
(24:55):
it's going to have effect. And and she's made enemies
in our network of people because some people think that
it should just be you know, just a body of
you know, corpses everywhere, and that we should just that
burn the whole system down. We're like, we're not going
to get any change if we go after them, what
that kind of language, It's not going to happen. So
she's been an incredible statesman for bringing some of that anger,
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but also the how to we have gotten this stuff
in front of heg Seth. There is a task force
that's being put together now to to to not only
look at these individuals who who put this stuff in
place at the highest level. In fact, I believe, I
believe honestly the current the current numbers that we're seeing
(25:37):
now of twenty percent attrition in the general officer positions
and then in the coast Guard they just released they're
going to cut twenty five for twenty five percent those
positions and flag officer flag officer billets. So with that,
I think a lot of that is coming out from
the work we've been doing because and I can't tell
you a lot of that stuff on the back end, because.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
A lot of time.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
We don't want to give stuff up.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
It's yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
But anyways, so so with that, I know, I gotta
be careful what I say. There is an individual working
directly for i'll just say the Pentagon and in a
task force capacity that is actively looking at and providing
the information on DMed what was done, and right now
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they are they are looking at doing an audit going forward.
I probably shouldn't even say that much, but they are
going to audit the system and figure out what happened,
who took it down, because there's a lot of there's
a lot of crazy stuff with that. Yeah, the people
that own the database unissant. Uh basically we don't. We
are not servicing that database ourself. There is there's a
(26:47):
lot of uh pretty reliable speculation that that is going
out to East Asia, not China, but specifically India and
and we are are our troops medical data is being
housed and viewed by somebody outside of the outside of
the Department of Defense that we contracted that out, and
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that to me is even crazier that that's a thing.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Well, I mean, don't even get me started. Man.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Back, I mean all the way back when I was
working for the agency, you know, and I began to
understand interoperability with foreign governments and and sharing of of
electronic intelligence, the whole thing. I just started going, wait
what And then when I got out from there and
I started to understand the contract industry at a higher
(27:41):
level and in particular, you know, data orientation, I started.
You can't help it, shake your head. All of this
stuff is outsourced because our entire system is so antiquated
and so are CA that. I mean, that's what you know.
(28:03):
That's why I think for me, one of the greatest
things that could happen is to let that Doge team
get in there, but really continue to expose I mean,
the whole thing that p came out with what like
two a month and a half ago or something, exposing
the five billion dollars going to consultants, one point eight
billion going to McKinsey and to Booz Allen and all this.
(28:28):
No wonder these people are the most successful lobbyists in
DC because it's just a circle of financial influence back
and forth. Oh, I'm going to support this to this
congressman who will get the bill in my because I
have the defense company. I'll use this Admiral I'll feed
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him the policy paper. He puts that in front of
the congressman, then he gets out. I put him on
my board, and it's this self licking ice cream right
and no, wonder why our data is being housed over
in India right now? Now, Wonder why our servers are
so vulnerable?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
And what you just described as something I talk about
a lot. But that's that cyclical. That cycle is why
we can't why we can't affect real change in the
Pentagon without somebody just coming in and hacking it off,
literally just purging the entire thing. And people say it's extreme.
You can't just purge that kind of leadership. But what
(29:28):
you just described is it. These people are putting on
stars under the recommendation, you know, under the approval of
the Senate. Well, the people nominating them for those those
stars is the military industrial complex. So they go in
and they say, this is our guy. Put stars on
here him, here's some lobbying money. They put stars on him.
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They approved the contracts for the defense industry. Defense industry
keeps the cycle going. It just goes round and round
and around. You don't break into those stars unless you're
a made man, and you're unless you're ready to play
ball with them, Like you keep the defensive industry running,
you protect the institution otherwise by and and they even
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protected more than that. After two stars, you know that
third star is really where you're a made man, the
one in your stars where they they kind of figure
you out.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Are you going to play ball?
Speaker 2 (30:19):
But are you going to play ball?
Speaker 4 (30:21):
You're our guy, You're that's right, You're in there.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I don't know, do you remember back?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I think it was like somewhere I forget we were
ten years into the GWYD, But there was a big
story that came out that it was like something like
five hundred junior officers from the soft community were pushed
out on early retirement, right and and it was and
(30:48):
it and it was. My whole thing was like, wait
a minute, why would you push out these guys that
just had ten years of the most intense combat our
nations ever gone through since Vietnam. They have the experience,
they know their guys, they know what it takes to
win wars.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Why would you get rid of them right now?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
And so you know, now we look at the numbers.
There are more flag officers now than there were during
World War Two, right, and and listen, don't again. You know,
there are most certainly some flag officers that have done
right by their people there for sure. But the problem now,
(31:31):
and I hope everybody understands this, right when you hear
two veterans complaining but making strong arguments as to the
complete and utter breakdown of leadership within the most significant
military in the world, that has the most power, that
has the greatest impact on foreign policy world affairs, I mean,
(31:59):
you know, and you combine that with the atrocities of
the lies that we've been pitched for the past thirty
years and the engagements we're in and why we're in them,
and you, you know, you have to begin to realize
why we're saying these things, because there needs to be
something that takes place. You're right, Sam, I don't think
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we chopped the head off, the entire head off, for sure,
but I think possible. It's not possible. We can't conduct
operations if we do that. So do you believe this
first twenty percent? Will it be sweeping or are they
gonna you know, go along the line, And because I
think what, you know, what the other side's freaked out
(32:44):
about or Whoever, the other side is the pro military
industrial complex. I'm not even saying left or right conservative
it because that's not where Sam and I come from.
And I'm telling you that right now. We come from.
What's going to benefit the person that's willing to save
your country's life?
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Right?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
So is is that twenty percent? Just is that a
legal thing? Like that's the only way you can bulk fire?
Or do you think they're going And they're saying this guy,
this guy, this woman, this guy.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Well, once again, I'll be careful now. I put a
video out back in November. We were asked by somebody
very high up in the Pentagon that was coming in
to provide them with a list. This was actually asked
of Pete Chambers, who I talked about earlier, doctor Pete Chambers.
This was a person who knew him personally. Reached out
to him and he said, hey, I'm going to hand
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this off to Sam. He runs a social media page,
Terminal CWO And the guy said, yeah, I've heard of it,
so he pushed it over to me. I reached out
to some folks who are in the same circles I'm in.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Now.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
We had we had an six like three fives, a
couple of four's legal counsel in there. I mean it
was it was a really well diversified group legal, you know,
a couple O three's and then enlisted guy. And then
we even had a E nine from the Coast Guard
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who provided us with names from Coast Guard, and that
person put together their own list with a group that
they had come together. Anyways, we submitted this list. It
was very frustrating because nothing happened with it. We saw
a couple of names fall off the list, but relatively speaking,
nothing was done. And that was frustrating because we'd put
a lot of work into that, like good seventy two hours,
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because we were given a very short suspense on getting
that list in and just recently we were asked again
to update the list.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
So we went in, we made some updates, We added,
you know.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
People who had retired already or possibly had been promoted,
and we gave that list back to another individual who
is well placed, and they said, we're trying, We're gonna
see what we can do. We know there's a lot
of blowback from the Senate, there's a lot of pushback
to protect a lot of these individuals.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
I know this specif let me let me tell you
a sort of really quick.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
So when we when we sent that first list up,
there was a three star, a three star Air Force.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
General on that list, and.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Doc Pete Chambers he gets a call from from a
I always get the rank wrong.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
I'll just say air Force E nine. They have the
longest title.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Anyways, this Air Force A nine, he uh, he reached
out to him, said he wanted to talk to him about,
you know, the list, and some we're like, that's that's weird,
Like how do you know about this? Well, we got
to look an into it, and that was the senior
enlisted advisor for that three star, So within twenty four hours,
that three star already knew about it. And then we
found out that that three star's wife actually worked on
(35:46):
the Trump team. She was in some capacity, but she
was part of Trump's team. So that list had made
it to her in that amount of time. She tried
to have you know, her husband's E nine reach out
and just hey, just wanted to do the political thing
and talk about this and why is his name on there.
We didn't have that conversation with him, but that's how
(36:07):
fast it moved, and that's how serious they took it.
So I hope that Pete haig Seth's inability to get
that purge done prior to this was simply due to
politics and the kind of kind of you know, the
stress and the strain he's been under in his war,
absolute war. But I know that there are people trying
(36:29):
to do something about it. So all of that is
a long, long, long, long and long answer. Sorry, but
all of that to say that, no, they are not
just cutting off the top whatever. They are systematically looking
at individuals who promoted DEI aggressively, not just not just
went along with it, but aggressively promoted, institutionalized it, made
(36:50):
it a framework for the military, pushed very woke concepts
to very very aggressive racist concepts, making statements to the
effect of, you know, like we need to promote more
people of color, and there's too many white people in
the forest.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Very white pilots. The white pilots thing was just, I mean,
it's just it's asinine, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
That and then to a lesser degree on the COVID stuff,
and that was made clear to us that they were
more focused on the DEI and the wokeness and all
that than they were the COVID. However, those kind of
things kind of bled in hand in hand to a
certain degree.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
So there is a very extensive list.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
We gave them with more than what they asked, but
who we have receipts on and we'll see if they
use it.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
We'll see if they do anything.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Pardon the interruption, but once again, we just want to
inform you about the live motivational speaking event that I'm
going to be giving on May thirty first at eleven
a m. Eastern Standard time on our Patreon account. That's
at David Otherford Show on Patreon. It's a two dollars
subscription per month feet you'll gain access to all different
types of different additional content, course selection as well as
(38:10):
these motivational events that I'm going to be doing regularly.
So please check us out May thirty first, Live motivational
event with me Kuyah. Well, first, I just got to
say thank you for putting that together with your team
and the people that care, and you know, I for me,
(38:30):
I think one of the great challenges is, you know,
the American public continues to see whether it's Epstein or
it's this stuff, they see this or they feel a
general malaise right that there's nothing going to happen, nothing
gonna you know, it's funny. I'll show my wife, could
(38:53):
you believe this? And she goes stop showing me that
crap until something happens. I'm sick of it. And so
that cognitive the dissonance is so entrenched in human beings
in this country because I think they just they feel
like it doesn't matter anymore. It doesn't matter, And what
I want them to know is that it does matter.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
There is a war.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Taking place behind the scenes by Sam, by his team,
buy everybody else out there that are in all these
different places. There are people that are now you know,
bonded over these adrocities and are are are bringing bringing
the heat.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
So there there are there are people doing stuff all
over the place. And the problem is is we think
that if it's not published on social media, that it
that it doesn't exist. And that's hard because you have
to walk that fine line of you know, operational security.
But also we want to show people that there's something
to hope for and it's not just in this fight,
(39:52):
and it's everywhere.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
You know.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
One of the big things that just came out with
Sean Ryan show the other day with UH with Tim Tebow,
and that was that was hurtling for so many people.
But this is something that I've worked in for years now.
I've worked in counter human trafficking, I've I've worked in
these alliances in these networks. I'm very familiar with what's
going on. And i can tell you there are a
lot of people doing work. But the work is expensive,
(40:17):
there's a lot of pushback, it's very dangerous. It involves
oftentimes going up against hardened, hardened organizations like cartels and.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
It's mafia's from around the wield.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
It's very difficult, very very expensive, like I said, and
you can't publicize that stuff.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
You just can't.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
You can't talk about the work you're done because there's
people that are out there doing stuff that I'll just
tell you is what do they say in special operations,
we operate in the gray area. I'll just leave it
with that, that are operating in the gray area. And
how do you tell people stuff like that. You can't,
So it just has to happen, and these people have
to go alone and try to establish these alliances outside of.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
The legal framework.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
I'll just say I love that you brought up the
cost of it, because that's what I think people don't understand,
is the magnitude of costs. You know.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
I was talking to my friend Jared Hudson recently and
he was just I was like, you know, how's funding going,
because he had he had run for sheriff down in
Alabama and then that funding shifted towards his trafficking organization.
And he's like, it's been good, but it's hard because
I'm so busy doing this other stuff. So you know,
(41:35):
what I always say to people who want to give,
because there's as many people that want to give to
the aid organizations that facilitate the the overtaking of America
right there's as many Americans that are willing to give.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Money to these organizations. And so what I always try
and say advocate for you want to give money, you
want to help people find a trafficking organization that's doing
good work that you can get somebody actually who's involved
on the phone. They will describe what they're doing and
send money to them, because that, I believe is the
(42:17):
greatest battle that we face in the world for sure.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
I mean literally, just to put it in perspective based
on you know, to piggyback on what you just said
was a lot of these operations can cost into the
hundreds of thousands of dollars depending on where you're going.
Even stuff within the continent of the United States is
going to cost based on a small team doing doing
whatever type of operation could cost anywhere to fifty to
(42:40):
one hundred thousand dollars. And if you're talking about an
international operation, the amount of people you have to pay
off and the kind of can you.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Break that down? Sam?
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Can you break some of those costs down? Some people
understand because I think what happens when people throw out
these giant numbers. They're like, one hundred thousand for what? Man,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Yeah, you have to first of all, let's just talk
about the logistics.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
You're going to talk about airplanes, talking about equipment, food, lodging,
and a lot of.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
These folks are very resourceful.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
They'll sleep on the ground if they have to, but
in some of these cases it's it's not ideal to
do stuff like that. So all the logistical expenses in
that alone, But the real cost comes in when you
start talking about developing networks and alliances and when you're
going into non permissible environments. You're gonna have to build,
(43:32):
build out those friendships with people who really don't care
what you're involved in. They just are you gonna pay
me or not? They want the money, So you know
you're gonna have to pay somebody off to do that.
And that we obviously know this very well. If anybody's
worked in special operations, you know what that looks like.
But for folks who don't, it's the same type of work.
You have to pay these people and build these build
(43:54):
these things. And then you have to build You have
to build out those eyes and ears on the grounds.
You have to build out your sources. You have to
These people all want money. None of this is done
for free. They are not doing this out of the
kindness of their heart. All of this stuff involves money. Now,
the operators who are doing the work, yeah, they're not
making anything, okay, they are doing this out of the kindness,
out of their heart. They're not getting rich off this,
(44:14):
and they're putting their lives on the line to do this.
But they have to give so much money to all
these different places. And then and then you have to
talk about stuff like and I'll be very careful with
this but a lot of the stuff's involves wet work
where you're you're talking about guys who go in and
you have extraction teams to get this stuff out, But
then you have guys that you have to pay that
are off the books, that are not part of your organization,
(44:36):
that don't exist, that are working in alias because.
Speaker 4 (44:38):
They're gonna go in there and they're gonna kill people.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
They're gonna go murder what's in there, and they nothing
can ever get back to them. They have to be
completely disconnected from everything and anyone, and and that involves
a whole The costs of all this stuff is so
incredibly expensive, and the type of knowledge that goes into
this work is so is so extensive that you know,
(45:01):
people don't think about all these little things. And then
and then you have your your analysts and all these
folks who are digging into this stuff on on the backside,
and they're they're looking into judges, and they're looking into
CPS and foster care and local law enforcement and seeing
which sheriff is dirty and who's allowing this and putting
together these these target packets of you know, who, who
(45:24):
is who is facilitating this movement up and down the
border and who's doing what and everything else. It is
just it is a lot of work. People have families
to feed, they have they have it's you know, I
go on and on, but it's it's massive.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Thank you for describing and in that in that context,
I really that's the problem, you know, And I think
that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
That's all of these things.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Right, people know that there are these travesties of justice
taking place at at a magnitude never before. Right, I
think really the exposure of COVID, the pulling back of
the curtain, you know, for one, psychologically, that's challenging for
for many many people. Right, People just don't want to
(46:12):
acknowledge the the.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Way the world works.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
They might know it or have heard some things.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
They've read a book, seen a movie, whatever the hell
know a guy right, Oh, I had a buddy who
was this, and but but to actually dig in and
allow yourself intellectually to decipher what all this means, it's
overwhelming for people. And so you know that I think
is a very difficult thing to penetrate through. But that's
(46:43):
what's taking place. And I think now that's why I'm
such a massive fan of yours and what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
And I know, fans the wrong word.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Admiration is probably the better, but you know, it's it's
really just you know, it's this. Your stuff pulls me in.
It pulls me in as it hopefully does other people emotionally. Right,
you hear these stories and your your your your soul's
laid forth on this.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
You know this, this.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
This table of of like astonishment that this is how
we're treating our veterans, this is how children are being
treated around the world. Well, thank god, there are people
that still want to Roger up, raise their right hand
and defend the nation or defend the ideal of what
the Republic represents. But more importantly, you know, there are
(47:39):
people like us who said, well I don't want to
go do it over there anymore. I want to go
do it over here. Yes, So that's what's taking place
as well too. So Sam, I again, man, thank you
so much for what you're doing. I just again, now,
I do know that you're starting a new site, you've
(48:01):
got a podcast. Can you describe that a little bit
so we can get some exposure and really start driving
people towards what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Well, I you know this was really hard for me
because I was working in this space with doctor Pete
Chambers and I still am, but I after going on
the Sean Ryan Show, it really blew some stuff up
in my world and I had some big recommendations from
people who knew me. Anyways, the organization that I'm i
am officially working for right now is the chief operating
(48:31):
officer is to organizations, it's our country, our choice. Where
I'm running a new podcast and doing a thing, and
it's it's a movement. But to talk less about that,
focusing on Republic republic dot us and we have a
big relaunch that's that's that's happening next month. We're going
to be coming out with an app and a bunch
of really cool features. But basically the purpose of this
(48:52):
is to give It is to mobilize and push citizens
in their community to report on low cool news. And
it's important that people understand the same The same media
outlets at the national level that are controlled by big
money are controlling local media outlets with the same big money.
(49:16):
And I've promised you can look into this and if
if you've noticed a lack of solid reporting in your community,
there's a reason for that because they are bound by
the same restrictions on their editorial staff that the guys
at the big level are. So we want to mobilize
people to go start shining a light in their community,
Go start writing stories, Go be that citizen journalist. So
that's what this platform is for. And you can write
(49:38):
about anything. You can write about corruption in politics, you
can write about sports, your school system, school system. Yeah,
we're going to have a local TikTok feed on there,
so you can just post a video of a car
wreck or a local barbecue or whatever you want to do.
But the whole point is we want to start focusing
on local. It's going to be ad free, and for
people that do post, it's going to cost a subscription
(49:59):
because it's the only way we can and maintain our servers.
It's completely ad free. My boss, though he has money,
he is not able to bankroll this entire thing in
this effort we're doing.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
So, Uh, you don't want to do it that way though.
You want the people to have skin in the.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Game, man, Yes, for want people to have skin in
the game, and we want them to understand that you
can make a huge difference in your community. And these
articles articles can be shared on out on social media.
But the thing is, the cool thing is we're launching
here in Orlando, where I'm at right now. If I
pop up my feed and we're getting more contributors on
and the next month we're doing a huge push. But
(50:36):
I pop up my feed, I look at the local
algorithm and that's all it is.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
It's local news.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
I'm not I'm not talking about Trump, I'm not talking
about I'm not talking about any stuff.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
It's all local news what's going on. And that's what
I want.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
I want to know what's going on in my community
because that's where I can make change and affect things.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
So that's what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Amen, and will you give that that site again one
more time?
Speaker 4 (50:58):
Public dot US Republic.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Dot U s Sam. Thank you so much, man, God
bless you. Stay safe and keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
Brother, I appreciate it.
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