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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. On this episode,
our friend Ryan Grodowsky returns. He is the founder of
the seventeen to seventy six Project Pack, and he'll tell
us a bit about what they've been up to. Also,
his sub stack, which is the National Populist newsletter, is
phenomenal and you should all check it out subscribe to
(00:22):
it on substack. We're going to talk about Trump, DeSantis,
Biden versus whoever early states, the twenty twenty four process,
how it's all shaken out, how it's looking in some
school board stuff. So deep dive in into politics here, Ryan,
let's start with this one. We'll we'll do this in
what will be effectively chronological order. How's the Trump DeSantis
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reality playing out right now?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Right now? Trump is Trump is obviously way ahead. I mean,
he's probably ahead in every single state he's game. Trump
had massive losses after the primary the general election of
twenty twenty two because most of his candidates lost. He
backed a lot of losers, and I think with the
exception of like one one candidate in every state that
he lost in twenty sixteen or twenty twenty, rather all
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of his candidates lost I think just the lieutenant governor
of George was the only one who won. So people
were frowning on him because he couldn't win elections. And
then you know, time kind of heals all wounds and
people forgot. And he also had that arrest, which was
that Dine sentence, and there was a rally on the
king effect, and I think that that is definitely benefiting him.
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And he's really the only one actually running. Trump has
an effective team actually working. Desanda's done up. He just
doesn't have a real campaign operation.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
What do you say to what do you say to
people Ryan who at this point say, well, hold on
a second, DeSantis isn't really a candidate yet, so it's
not fair to assess how he's doing as a candidate.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
That is true. You can have an operation when you
are not a candidate too, as a precursor. So you
could have a surrogacy program right when he'd have people,
high profile people on television every day defending him, promoting him,
attacking Trump as a precursor that doesn't exist. You could
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have early endorsements as far as the ground game lined
up in the important first few states. That isn't happening.
In fact, Lee Zelden, who was supposed to allegedly be
one of the key people in his New York campaign.
New York is I think the fifth or sixth state
to vote in this primary cycle at this time because
they switch. He just endorsed Trump. He doesn't have an
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effective operation in the slightest. He's doing these book tour
events and he's going to Japan, and it is extraordinarily
tone deaf for the moment. And he really hasn't had
a big news story since the six week abortion Man,
which is hugely unpopular. So the last big news story
is the abortion man, wildly unpopular. It's that's unpopular to
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defund the police, and he has no ceregacy program to
defend him on television and radio every day, and he
has no operation to start building out early early state organization.
He literally just lost some of his key people to Trump.
So that is not that is clearly not evan that
he's actually running a real operation in any sense of
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the word. And Trump is. And Trump has Susie Wiles
who as this political campaign person who is one of
the best in the business. Susie is brilliant and she
it's not private public information. She hates rond De Santas,
and she is you know.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Why does she hate Why does she hate Ronda Santis?
Because you're an insider with this stuff, A lot of
people won't know that. Why is there beef there?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Ron got her fired for allegedly leaking materials and she
she says she never really did. So that's the entire fight.
The fight is over the fact that she got fired
in a campaign, I think the twenty twenty presidential campaign.
She got fired from out of deference to Dissantas, who
said she was a leaker because he does hate leaking
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Disanta's and he's very good at not having people leak
in his operation. And she says that she never did it.
And that's literally in the feud.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Wow, So there's like a blood feud in the midst
of all this politics as well.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, that's why you noticed that Trump is going harder
on Desanta's. It's not just because he's a primary opponent.
It's because, like the hate from that campaign is real.
I would estimate there are people within that camp who
want to be Desantism more than they want to be fired.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Wow, what could DeSantis do at this point? In your mind?
What has to happen for him to try to make
up some of the ground that has been lost to
Trump in the last few months.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
One, he needs a national message. Flora Freedom lives in
Florida is not a national message. It's not You're not
going to plant palm trees in Michigan, Like, there's no
actual I read his book too, there's no national message
of what he wants to do as a leader, Like,
you can't make every state Florida. It's just not actually possible.
So what are you going to do for the industrial Midwest?
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What are you going to do for the Southwest? What
are you going to do in in places like New
Hampshire and main second congressional which are still swing areas.
What are you going to do in in in places
that are key swing congressional districts that need Republican support
like in you know, in Oregon's fourth and fifth district,
or in you know the eastern part of what you know,
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Washington State where you need Republicans to turn out for
their House candidates. What are you do for any of
those people? There's no national message. Florida lives free is
not Freedom was in Florida is not a national message.
What goes to die is not a national message. I
want something that sits there and says, if I close
my eyes, I can envision like a country that that
Nda Sanda's leads. That's not there. He needs a surahcacy
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program to attack Trump every single solitary day on media.
He doesn't have to do it, but he has to
have people who do it. Nicki Haley is not doing it.
She only attacking him, and Asill Hutchins, no one's gonna
care about and Viveck doesn't do it either. And you
need and you need endorsements to start coming, and you
need a national rally about you and say why you can't.
It's so bad right now for the Desanta's team that
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in the morn Console poll, Republicans view Trump is more
electable than Desanta's, which is amfatomically and like any sense
of the word. But he's lost even messaging on that.
Trump is the greatest person when it comes to branding
in the history of the world, him and Kim Kardashian.
It's really true. And he has branded himself on certain
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things as being an outsider when he's an insider, as
being a winner when he's a loser, like with elections,
as being somebody who's accomplished things that he never accomplished,
never built a wall, like he says these things to
these supporters, and he's branded himself to these things to
Republican voters and they believe it. They don't believe it
because it's true. They believe because they trust the brand
the same way that people believe in smoking was good
for you for fifty to sixty years, so the brand
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was solid. Desantas doesn't have a real brand. He's only
been like you know, real national government for four years
and the people have paid attention to in any way,
and he, I mean, the brand of freedom is not
enough of a brand.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Tell me this, is there any polling? Is there any data,
any numbers that can give us some sense as to
whether Dessanta is because you said, Trump has branded himself
as a winner. And it's interesting because even bringing up
the twenty twenty election, among certain people in the Republican base,
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it's really difficult to have a conference. It's like, well,
what what can be done to have a different outcome
than twenty twenty? And I'll get people who will say, well,
we don't need a different outcome. Than twenty twenty, because
you want to which.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I say, tried himself. Trump himself privately has said he's lost,
like but his branded himself is a winner.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Right, But you see what I mean, Like, how do
you even how are you going to address campaign strategy
with that portion of the GOP base that's going to say, no,
the strategy was great last time, we just need the
same strategy this time. Let me put this a better way.
If DeSantis and his surrogates, once DeSantis gets in this race,
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which we're all expecting to happen, if they attract, if
they attack Trump for being a loser in twenty twenty,
is that going to poison the base against him? Or
is that an effective tactic.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
DeSantis himself does not have to sit there and say that,
although a debate post is going to ask him that
question point blank, like you will ask like a debate
host will ask every question. De Santa's could sit there
and say they were outside people affecting the election, like
social media and blocking a Hunter Biden, which.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
That's all true, by the way, that's all real. Yeah,
of course that it was fixed.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
It wasn't exactly stone. There's a difference. There was definitely
people putting their thumbs on the scale against Trump. Guess what,
welcome to Republican verse Democrat politics that will always exist,
that exists under George W. Bush as well. There was
huge efforts against Bush in two thousand and four, when
during his reelection, huge efforts against McCain and against Romney,
and you against Donald Trump in twenty sixteen. The difference
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between winning and losing is is huge. And this is
like the main difference I wrote with this is my
substock of the national cop of the substock. When he
ran against Hillary, you had two hugely unlikable characters, Hillary
Clinton and Donald Trump incredibly unlikable. The difference was that
Trump won the vote of the people who don't like
either of them by twenty points. So if you didn't
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like Hillary or Trump, you were more likely to vote
for Trump than for Hillary. Now, and this is this
is the Wall Street Journal poll that was done by
Tony Fabrizio, who is Trump's polster. This is Trump's poll,
and Tony is a fabulous polster. He's and Tony, by
the way, has said over and over the election wasn't stolen.
But that's besides the point Tony said, among people who
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don't like Biden to Biden and don't like Trump. That
same population, which is close to the majority of the country.
In both cases, they support Biden over Trump by a
manager of fifty one to fifteen. So he's losing that
same group of people that he won eight years ago
by twenty points. He's losing them by almost forty points
(10:28):
this time. So there's no yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
No, I was just going to say, I want to
return to this. I just want to take a moment
for our sponsor here because I want to ask these
two questions. Where does Trump stand? Which is a continuation
what you're going to say, and I'm sorry to cut
you off it in me too, but where does Trump
stand visa VI Biden? Based on the numbers right now?
What does that tell us about where it's going in
twenty twenty four? And then, because I have a feeling
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what you say maybe a little depressing, what could Trump
do as the nominee to get the numbers he needs
to win? So I want to come back to that
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the good, the bat and the ugly. Here, we're starting
with the bat and the ugly.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Though.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I think kind of things look right now based on
the trend. Let's just put it based on what you
said about DeSantis. Let's just assume now Trump's nominee. Right
rest of this conversation, Let's assume Trumps nominee. So how
does it look for Trump going into twenty twenty four
against against Biden?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
So right now, everything suggests he would lose every single
state he lost in twenty twenty plus North Carolina and
Texas would be extremely close. He would come very close
to losing Texas within a point or two.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Well, that's terrifying.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Using Texas is Yeah, that's how bad. That's how disliked
Donald Trump has a favorability rating among voters about thirty
five percent right now. Is one of the most toxic
individuals on a national stage. Only the only person more
talks than him is Mike pens and Kamala Harris. So
it's very bad.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
That's not that's not encouraging.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
What was It's really bad?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
What no I've gotten me? It's really bad. Part of
this for sure? What just from a demographics perspective, So
everyone knows this what was lacking in twenty twenty, right,
put aside all the other noise and the and the
the zucker Bucks and the ballot harvesting, all that stuff, right,
you know whatever? Right, what numbers weren't there that needed
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to be there to win the key states who either
didn't show up or showed up the other side in
twenty twenty when Trump was trying to win re election.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
So, I mean, I think that I think that Trump's
campaign team, and Trump has said something to this effect.
I think this campaign team made a very frequent mistake
of underestimating Hammick, who We're going to turn it on
the electric I think that he thought it was going
much lower than it was, which happens. Why do they
do a lot of campaigns from city council onwards, just
more people shout up, theyre more engaged. But I think
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when you look at the overall numbers of there, Trump
is like just bleeding support. It's among white suburbanites. It
is so bad, it is so heavy and so bad
that I don't think that there's really much of there's. Okay,
So if you look the electric right, the elector's going
to be about sixty three sixty four percent Caucasian, maybe
sixty five percent, let's say sixty five per percent Caucasian.
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Trump will win probably somewhere around fifty seven percent of
that support, fifty six percent of that support. So you
start his number at about thirty thirty six let's just
say thirty six percent support. Okay, Then elector is also
twelve percent thirteen percent Black. Trump's go get one percent
of that if he's lucky. So now he goes from
thirty four to thirty five percent. The electric will be
able fifteen percent Hispanic and among those, if Trump does amazing,
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if he was a number pass, he does what he
did last time, Let's say he gets thirty nine percent,
so it's three and a half four percent more you're
at forty two forty three, and then there's a bump
from Asian, Native Americans, whatever, and you're forty three forty
four percent. What Trump managed to do in his first
election was one he got forty seven percent of the
vote by increasing the vote of non college educated whites,
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because he kept enough college educated white who said I
hate Hillary Clinton, I hate her too much and black
voters who didn't vote. That dynamic does not work against
Joe Biden. Joe Biden, if you saw his first ad,
it was two major things. Democracy. Its very major things, Democracy, abortion,
black votes. Because he has to keep the black vote high.
He has to sit there and engage the people who
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hate January sixth and think about it every single solitary
day and say Trump's a fundamental threat of democracy and
sits there and brings up and brings up.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Can I tell you my concern and this is in
the and again I feel obligated here to continue to
try to just learn as much as possible and have
the most honest conversations possible about this, because it felt
like going into twenty twenty two, it was crime is bad,
economy is bad. We're going to kick their asses everything's
going to be awesome and then whoops, not so much.
(16:24):
And while for me and a lot of other people,
Liz Cheney and the other Democrats, I know, she's a Republican,
but she's a Democrat now basically doing this January sixth,
you know, theatrical experience, like it was like the musical
Cats or you know, guys and Dolls or something, right,
but it was, you know, January sixth. I looked at
this and I thought this is preposterous. But when it
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came to voting, it seemed that there were a lot
of independence and particularly college educated white voters for whom
that stuff resonated. They're like that January sixth stuff, you know.
I feel I got yelled that on the Patrick that
David podcast recently because I was like, look like Trump's
in a tougher position now than he was running in
twenty twenty in a lot of ways. I don't think
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he was blamed the pandemic. I don't think that. I
think that's an easy excuse. I mean, sure it made
people depressed, but what do you think about what happened
with regard to the way that it went in twenty
twenty two and how we can look at the independent
vote through that prism.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Well, remember in twenty sixteen, of our base of twenty
sixteen voters, several million are dead just because they've aged out,
and the demographic change in our country. Generation ZI Dia
not was not a big voter block even in twenty
twenty as it is now and they're far left. It's
the most progressive generation ever where you're going to make
even though jen X, by the way, is becoming more
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Republican and millennials are moving more Republican. Despite a stupid
Financial Times article said, which is not true. Even though
millennials and Gen X are moving more Republican, it doesn't
account for the added votes and the dying of the
greatest generation that in that silent generation them dying, We're
losing a lot a lot of voters. If you look
at twenty twenty, Republicans are dominating on quality of life issues, education, crime,
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housing prices, inflation. You look at a county like Maricopa County, Arizona,
sixty percent of the of the state of Arizona lives
in one county. Republicans won the DA race. They want
to buy eight points Americopa. They won. They won this
the county school board seat, superintendent of education seat. They
won almost every down ballot election there was for quality
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of life when they came to quality life issues in
twenty twenty two, who lost? Whose main coulpers were love
anyone who sat there and said abortion ban, support abortion bans,
and that the election was stolen Carry Lake Blake masters
Ab whatever his name was, and then Mark Finchamp. They
all lost across the entire board, you know, being Teshia
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and not that you need to win Mayer Copa, but
you can't lose it. There's a guy, Tom Horney was
education and superintendent of Arizona. He beat an incumbent Democrat
in twenty twenty two. He won statewide Arizona, even though
he lost Maricopa. He's gonna lose by that much.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So do people do people from Mago World? Do they
argue with you on these numbers in this analysis? By
the way, like to you, not not the performative crap
on Twitter? I mean, do people really think they're wrong
on this stuff?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Not many? I mean not the people they just I
mean I speak people on Trump campaign world all the time,
and I just say to them playing blank, like you
know you can't win, right, like, you know, like this
is the like it's just the primary. You're not going
to win a general election. People genuinely independent, suburban they
genuinely their minds are made up. There's not many people
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up in this country who don't know how they feel
about Donald Trump. And unless the conditions are so poor,
things we can't see out in the future. Let's say
we go into a massive recession. Let's say we go
to war with China or rush one thing that happens
and is cataclysmic. Next level, there's another COVID problem, something
on that level that we we don't foresee. And people's
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heads or the guns to their heads, they don't they
do not like him, like it's just it's just an
instinctive thing. They don't like him. And the abortion thing
is really, really, really hurt Republicans, and it hurt them.
If you look at the overall map of the country,
there was a red weave. Blue districts got redder, Red
districts got redder. It was the suburban, middle class counties
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that care enormously about the issues of like democracy and
the issues of abortion, that were the ones that moved bluer.
And that's where all our swing districts were, and that's
where we lost them. So and it didn't help that
the map wasn't really favorable to us and all the
other all the rest of it. But that's why we
lost the Senate candidates we lost, That's why we lost
the governor cantons that we lost. And you know, there
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is a lack of there is a lack of temperate, temperate. Sorry.
The way that Trump has been approaching a lot of
these issues is cho vi chuck. But I will tell
you you asked before how he can sit there and
maybe gain some ground. Trump is already running a general
election campaign. When he dropped abortion restrictions as part of
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his platform, which was like a last week where he
said he would not support any restrictions on federal level
of abortion, I, by the way, think is a smart
move that shows he's triangulating towards the general election campaign.
And I'm sure there's a bunch of other issues. The
one thing that he will never move on is publicly
acknowledging the election was stolen. And for a lot of people,
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Trump is running as if he was never president before.
He's saying I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna do that.
I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do that. Dude, you
didn't do any of it the first time. You moved
an embassy like congratulation, like you cut corporation taxes and
you moved in embassy like no offense. But I kind
of don't think you're going to do this again.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
So this is just I mean, I wish, you know,
I honestly kind of want to do like Gurdusky fields
the phone calls that I get talking about this on radio,
because I'll just have some people, you know, listeners, or
maybe they're just deciding to troll me for the one
time they're calling in. I don't know, but they'll say
things like I'm voting for Trump again because he kept
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all of his promises and got everything done that he
said he was going to get done. And you, I mean,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
How.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I don't really know what to say to that, because
it doesn't matter, because it's clear that it wouldn't matter.
And and and then I say to them, I voted
for Trump twice. I thought overall, you know, he did,
he did well as as president, and obviously vote for
me against Joe Biden. No, it doesn't matter. I have
to agree with all this other stuff or else. There's
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like a sense of betrayal, like how could you be
you know, I mean, I'm supposed to I'm supposed to say.
I'm supposed to say that Florida sucks, the wall was built.
You know, these are things I'm supposed to say or else.
There are some people, maybe it's a small part, but
they get mad at me, and I don't really know
what I can say to them. I don't really know
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how to I get a little flabbergasted by it.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I guess, well, I'm not out for a popularity kind of.
I don't care if they get mad at me. But
the point is, and they can troll me all day
on Twitter. I don't do the comments, so I just
listen never. There are a ton of people in the media,
and I go on the media a lot, so I
can consider it's a part of conservative media. But a
lot of people who will openly lie to the viewers,
and a lot of them every single solitary day. They're
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paid to lie. A lot of them are paid by
campaigns secretly, or organizations that are supported by campaigns. It's
a lie, straightforward to lie every single solitary day. Some
believe the lie, but most do not. And at the
end of the day, my consciousness there and says, Okay,
if there's there's a wall built, how are all these
migrants crossing the wall? Where? How are where? We see
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tons of video footage of migrants walking across the border?
Why are they being stopped by that wall? But Trump built,
and he built fifteen miles, which is okay, better than nothing.
But if conquer stuff in the fifteen miles built? Or
did he not try? Why did he? Why did why?
Why did Donald Trump push most of his most of
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his politics to his Democrats on the law only?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I could I get somebody who is all all in
on Trump on the other side already?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Right?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Can I try to? I want to moderate a Could
we do like a show where I will moderate the
day between you two?
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Let's do it? Yeah, listen, And I don't comment this
as some I'm not Bill Crystal, I'm not you know,
Cindy McCain. I voted for Donald Trump every time he
was on the ballot. The day he came down that
golden escalator, I said, he's my guy, like a lot
of people. But like a lot of people who came
to Trump to support him. I didn't support him because
he was on the Apprentice. I didn't support him because
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you know he was going to tell McConnell f himself
and act like an asshole on Twitter. Scuse my langage,
I'm not going to I wasn't. I didn't support I
support him because he said our country is fundamentally broken
by our elite, which I still agree with. I still
agree with every policy he put forward. In twenty sixteen,
I voted for him to be president, and very few
of those policies ever got accomplished. And it's not because
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the chance wasn't there. It was that we didn't have
a leader who even exercised that chance. And let me
give you one little example. He could not get the
Raiz Act done, the Raise Act, which would have altered
our immigration policy fundamentally for the better. He could not
get Republicans to sign on to it, or Democrats is
when they had the majority in both houses. So you
know what he should have done. He should have sat
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there to say, Nancy posts, Mitch McConnell, the president has
the sole authority to withhold any class or any single
immigrant that they want to on their own, you know. Latterly,
if Trump called, just provide him with Briden's president day.
If Biden said, guess what, guys, no more redheads in
this country. He has unilateral authority. No one can tell
him no, I had that authority. You know what he
(26:08):
was doing. He was meeting with Jeff Bezos saying how
Jeff Bezos needs more immigrants.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
So hold on it, yeah, hold on a second. I
got to reach for some scotch here while we're doing
this podcast, okay, And I need to. I need to
numb the pain of what you're telling me a little bit.
And I do by the way I want to have
because this needs to happen, because what the situation right
now is we just have people who the the line
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from the Trump surrogates is agree with everything, or you're
a trader and cap and twenty twenty never happened. And
I sit here and I say, I've supported Trump for years.
I've supported Trump in ways that have cost me, friends,
have cost me, you know, peace of mind, just like
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walking into events and stuff from psychopaths. We're threating, like
you know I've been, and I'm just trying to make
sure or we don't lose again and that is on it.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That is I would ask, I don't want I think
I want to estimate this way though. Look, we Joe
Biden has a very real chance of picking Alito and
Clarence's replacements, Clarence Thomas's replacements on the Supreme Court. There's
a very real chance that that could happen in our future.
And we have nine Democrats in swing to swing states
(27:24):
and the US sent it up for a vote in
twenty twenty four. We can't screw around. This isn't for
you know, shits and giggles. This is a real thing
for the future of our country in a real fundamental way.
And we just can't sit there with a guy who
just released the book making fun of John McCain's funeral again,
Like it's been five years that he has been dead.
(27:46):
What are you still angry about? Like what kind of
person are you? You just lost Arizona. Carrie Lake just
lost Arizona. But masters just lost Arizona. So you're a
plan is let me release a book where I should
on John McCain a year before they when only three
states really matter Georgia, Wisconsin, and Arizona. I mean that
is that shows that week here about winning more than
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the man who would put his name on the Battle
with Dunes.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
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some positive time. Okay, the coach just told us that
we we've blown our coverage and we're fumbling next to
the end zone. And okay, all right, fine, Now tell
the team, sir, how we can actually get into the
(29:37):
end zone and win this game? How can we win
twenty twenty four? What has to happen?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I think that I think the Republicans need to accept
certain fundamental truths, one of which is, even if we
had sixty units at centers, we're not going to ban
abortionationwide and all fighting on a federal level abortions. Have
you still got planned parent of fund it is? We
should leave it to the states and just walk away
from that fight. Altogether, it's never going to happen. To
(30:04):
fight hard for something that you can win is totally acceptable.
To fight for something hard and possibly lose for something
you cannot win, circumstands, is a mistake. I think states
should be should be left up to states, and states
should decide, says one. Two. You got to just walk
away from the whole twenty twenty conversation entirely not important.
(30:26):
Talking about really living January sixth not important. What's important
is not the children a woman may have. It's not
It's not conversations on things people did at the capital
three years ago. The conversation is what's going on for
that kid in a classroom today who has that experience
of massive learning loss, who is more likely if they
are black, and more likely to die now than they
(30:46):
work before twenty seventeen in the streets, somebody that's like Chicago,
Philadelphia and Baltimore and Louisiana, New Orleans. What are we
going to sit there and have a real conversation about
how how are we going to prevent like another COVID
from happening. You know, everything Trump ever said in twenty
sixteen was true about how we don't have a manufacturing
based in this country, and we still don't have one.
(31:08):
And the job the manufacturing jobs that did come back
under Trump didn't come back to the Midwest. They came
back to Arizona, to Nevada, to California, to Texas, to Florida.
They didn't come back to the rustbels. How are we
actually going to make a real positive investment in places
that people are are just leaving and how are we
going to make those How is the federal government the
same federal government that killed those places by putting China
(31:29):
into into the free trade to the World Trade Organization
and giving free trade to China? How are we going
to reinstate those people's hopes and fears? Those are the
kinds of conversations that need to be happy, you know,
we need to have. How are we going to protect
the border and literally thousands of people on the terrascet
watchers have crossed our border. Those those are stations that
require serious people being in charge of our country.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
As you want to There's something I want to ask
you of. I meaned to ask you this again based
on what we can see from the numbers. I'm trying
to tell everybody, by the way and this is just
having been close enough to the Afghanistan issue specifically and
you know, at policy level and everything else being over there,
that this idea that talking about the disastrous withdrawal from
(32:16):
Afghanistan is gonna win US votes. I think it's crazy
because ultimately, and a lot of people don't want to
hear this, but we're not in Afghanistan anymore. That's the truth. Yeah,
we're not there, so we can talk about that, the
withdrawal and it was a mess, and it was you know,
it was the people in charge look like idiots. Yes,
all true, but that's not going to win us the election.
Right Ukraine? How does Ukraine factor into all this? Do
(32:40):
people care? And if they care enough that it matters
for the election, what does it look like for us
to try to use the Ukraine issue in order to show,
you know, endless war is a bad idea, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Well more important than US wars are. Pent Ton has
even stated we don't have military equipment left anymore given
it all to Ukraine, Like there's tons of military shortages,
military equipment shortages, and like here's I think the way
to sit there and explain it. We borrow money from China,
who's Russia's ally to give to Ukraine to fight Russia,
(33:19):
so we could hit with the debt and the inflation
to fight that. It benefits our major global opponent that
we have long term problems with than the current one.
I think a big problem for a lot of people,
especially in leadership, is they haven't except that the Cold
War is over and we want it, and it's gone
now in Russia is not the Soviet Union, and we
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should be working with our allies in other places on
a ceasefire, on ending the war in some way shape
and form, not continuating it so we can kill as
many Russians as possible. But ultimately we are at a
disadvantage because our military equipment is literally at the lowest
levels has been in a decade, and we are doing
this at to borrowing the money from China to give
(34:05):
to Ukraine to fight China's ally and titting ourselves more
to China and creating more inflation. Is that we can't
get the money from China, We're just printing it. So
it's I think I think the more the bigger question
is is like you know, we've given more money to Ukraine,
We've Afghanistan and we still have wholes. I've been to
like parts of this country that people talk about that
(34:25):
they actually go to. I've been to parts of like
the rough industry of Midwest where there was the potholes
so large it was a mattress. And to stop the
bubble like, we are spending far more on other people's
problems that we can't solve and we will ever spend
on ourselves. And that is a problem for a working
class in this country and a middle class in this
country who can't pay for college, who can't find a home,
(34:47):
can't pay for the down payment of a home. We're
getting killed with interest rates, long lines for gasoline at times.
This is the ultimate problem is how are you going
what I said before, with what Republicans are killing everyone?
On Denver as on his quality life issues, How are
you going to make the quality of life of the
average American better? And describe it in a way that
(35:08):
Bernie Sanders describes his Medicare policy, where if you close
your eyes and you thought about it, you could envision
your life being better. I think that's the I think
going back to basics and answer that always great everyone
a wall. You can imagine your life because of X
y Z. What is what is the promise of the future.
(35:30):
That what the Sander should be figuring out right now.
That is what Trump should be working on right now
and moving forward into twenty twenty four.
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name Buck. Can we win the Senate at least?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah? I mean you can. You got to win Ohio
and West Virginia, the and just to defend Texas. And
I think the map is so good. The map is
excellent this time around. You have so many opportunities to
win the Senate. It would be it's really unbelievable if
it doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
What's the Is there any place where we could try
to steal one out of their kitchen cupboard, if you
know what I mean? Is there any place we could
pick up a seat where it'll really piss the Democrats off?
Because that's always exciting.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
I mean, yeah, we have the chance of Arizona because
kitchen center rings an independent. You have West Virginia, you
have Ohio, you have Montana, you have Nevada, where the
Democrat this time is even less puper than the government
democrat last time. You don't have Georgia this time. I
think it's in twenty six but you do have you
have a ton of places. There's like that's.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Five, Arizona is kind of what I mean, Arizona would
be like that would be a morale win too, you
know what I mean, to pick up a senatece.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah there, I was just there for school board stuff. Yeah,
it would be a huge win, and it's totally possible.
And I think cinema hates the Democrats more than shades
the Republicans. So we have noways be huge and I
think that there's other by you think New Hampshire is
up to which would be a huge win. We haven't
had to win there in since twenty sixteen, as when
we lost our Senate seat. There wasn't that long ago.
Pennsylvania is uplo. It's a tough, tougher road. Michigan is
(38:01):
an open seat that would be great if it's possible.
Wisconsin is, I believe as well. So there's there's nine
states right there that are swing states, red states that
if you have a red wave with a present who's
remarkably unpopular, as long as you don't run anybody who's
even less unpopular, you know even in twenty eighteen we
(38:23):
picked up Senate seats, so it's totally possible we had
a net game for three sentence seats I believe it was,
and there were two sentence seats in the Senate.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
I'll take this. I'll take this closing happy meal from
Gerdusky here gratefully and not ask him any more questions.
It's likes has no chance, Trump, has no chance, it
gets by, and it was a little depressing the Senate. However,
looking good for us folks. So take that one home
with you, and you know it's those better days ahead.
I promise Roan Gerdusky go check out the seventeen seventy
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Ryan Peoples, like, how do I spell his name? I'm like, ah,
it's close enough. Some kind of Polish thing for Dusky.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that ten percent Polish really handy.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Thank you, Buck,
Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. On this episode,
our friend Ryan Grodowsky returns. He is the founder of
the seventeen to seventy six Project Pack, and he'll tell
us a bit about what they've been up to. Also,
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phenomenal and you should all check it out subscribe to
(00:22):
it on substack. We're going to talk about Trump, DeSantis,
Biden versus whoever early states, the twenty twenty four process,
how it's all shaken out, how it's looking in some
school board stuff. So deep dive in into politics here, Ryan,
let's start with this one. We'll we'll do this in
what will be effectively chronological order. How's the Trump DeSantis
(00:46):
reality playing out right now?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Right now? Trump is Trump is obviously way ahead. I mean,
he's probably ahead in every single state he's game. Trump
had massive losses after the primary the general election of
twenty twenty two because most of his candidates lost. He
backed a lot of losers, and I think with the
exception of like one one candidate in every state that
he lost in twenty sixteen or twenty twenty, rather all
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of his candidates lost I think just the lieutenant governor
of George was the only one who won. So people
were frowning on him because he couldn't win elections. And
then you know, time kind of heals all wounds and
people forgot. And he also had that arrest, which was
that Dine sentence, and there was a rally on the
king effect, and I think that that is definitely benefiting him.
(01:36):
And he's really the only one actually running. Trump has
an effective team actually working. Desanda's done up. He just
doesn't have a real campaign operation.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
What do you say to what do you say to
people Ryan who at this point say, well, hold on
a second, DeSantis isn't really a candidate yet, so it's
not fair to assess how he's doing as a candidate.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
That is true. You can have an operation when you
are not a candidate too, as a precursor. So you
could have a surrogacy program right when he'd have people,
high profile people on television every day defending him, promoting him,
attacking Trump as a precursor that doesn't exist. You could
(02:21):
have early endorsements as far as the ground game lined
up in the important first few states. That isn't happening.
In fact, Lee Zelden, who was supposed to allegedly be
one of the key people in his New York campaign.
New York is I think the fifth or sixth state
to vote in this primary cycle at this time because
they switch. He just endorsed Trump. He doesn't have an
(02:44):
effective operation in the slightest. He's doing these book tour
events and he's going to Japan, and it is extraordinarily
tone deaf for the moment. And he really hasn't had
a big news story since the six week abortion Man,
which is hugely unpopular. So the last big news story
is the abortion man, wildly unpopular. It's that's unpopular to
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defund the police, and he has no ceregacy program to
defend him on television and radio every day, and he
has no operation to start building out early early state organization.
He literally just lost some of his key people to Trump.
So that is not that is clearly not evan that
he's actually running a real operation in any sense of
(03:30):
the word. And Trump is. And Trump has Susie Wiles
who as this political campaign person who is one of
the best in the business. Susie is brilliant and she
it's not private public information. She hates rond De Santas,
and she is you know.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Why does she hate Why does she hate Ronda Santis?
Because you're an insider with this stuff, A lot of
people won't know that. Why is there beef there?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Ron got her fired for allegedly leaking materials and she
she says she never really did. So that's the entire fight.
The fight is over the fact that she got fired
in a campaign, I think the twenty twenty presidential campaign.
She got fired from out of deference to Dissantas, who
said she was a leaker because he does hate leaking
(04:16):
Disanta's and he's very good at not having people leak
in his operation. And she says that she never did it.
And that's literally in the feud.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Wow, So there's like a blood feud in the midst
of all this politics as well.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, that's why you noticed that Trump is going harder
on Desanta's. It's not just because he's a primary opponent.
It's because, like the hate from that campaign is real.
I would estimate there are people within that camp who
want to be Desantism more than they want to be fired.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Wow, what could DeSantis do at this point? In your mind?
What has to happen for him to try to make
up some of the ground that has been lost to
Trump in the last few months.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
One, he needs a national message. Flora Freedom lives in
Florida is not a national message. It's not You're not
going to plant palm trees in Michigan, Like, there's no
actual I read his book too, there's no national message
of what he wants to do as a leader, Like,
you can't make every state Florida. It's just not actually possible.
So what are you going to do for the industrial Midwest?
(05:16):
What are you going to do for the Southwest? What
are you going to do in in places like New
Hampshire and main second congressional which are still swing areas.
What are you going to do in in in places
that are key swing congressional districts that need Republican support
like in you know, in Oregon's fourth and fifth district,
or in you know the eastern part of what you know,
(05:38):
Washington State where you need Republicans to turn out for
their House candidates. What are you do for any of
those people? There's no national message. Florida lives free is
not Freedom was in Florida is not a national message.
What goes to die is not a national message. I
want something that sits there and says, if I close
my eyes, I can envision like a country that that
Nda Sanda's leads. That's not there. He needs a surahcacy
(06:01):
program to attack Trump every single solitary day on media.
He doesn't have to do it, but he has to
have people who do it. Nicki Haley is not doing it.
She only attacking him, and Asill Hutchins, no one's gonna
care about and Viveck doesn't do it either. And you
need and you need endorsements to start coming, and you
need a national rally about you and say why you can't.
It's so bad right now for the Desanta's team that
(06:23):
in the morn Console poll, Republicans view Trump is more
electable than Desanta's, which is amfatomically and like any sense
of the word. But he's lost even messaging on that.
Trump is the greatest person when it comes to branding
in the history of the world, him and Kim Kardashian.
It's really true. And he has branded himself on certain
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things as being an outsider when he's an insider, as
being a winner when he's a loser, like with elections,
as being somebody who's accomplished things that he never accomplished,
never built a wall, like he says these things to
these supporters, and he's branded himself to these things to
Republican voters and they believe it. They don't believe it
because it's true. They believe because they trust the brand
the same way that people believe in smoking was good
for you for fifty to sixty years, so the brand
(07:06):
was solid. Desantas doesn't have a real brand. He's only
been like you know, real national government for four years
and the people have paid attention to in any way,
and he, I mean, the brand of freedom is not
enough of a brand.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Tell me this, is there any polling? Is there any data,
any numbers that can give us some sense as to
whether Dessanta is because you said, Trump has branded himself
as a winner. And it's interesting because even bringing up
the twenty twenty election, among certain people in the Republican base,
(07:42):
it's really difficult to have a conference. It's like, well,
what what can be done to have a different outcome
than twenty twenty? And I'll get people who will say, well,
we don't need a different outcome. Than twenty twenty, because
you want to which.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I say, tried himself. Trump himself privately has said he's lost,
like but his branded himself is a winner.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Right, But you see what I mean, Like, how do
you even how are you going to address campaign strategy
with that portion of the GOP base that's going to say, no,
the strategy was great last time, we just need the
same strategy this time. Let me put this a better way.
If DeSantis and his surrogates, once DeSantis gets in this race,
(08:21):
which we're all expecting to happen, if they attract, if
they attack Trump for being a loser in twenty twenty,
is that going to poison the base against him? Or
is that an effective tactic.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
DeSantis himself does not have to sit there and say that,
although a debate post is going to ask him that
question point blank, like you will ask like a debate
host will ask every question. De Santa's could sit there
and say they were outside people affecting the election, like
social media and blocking a Hunter Biden, which.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
That's all true, by the way, that's all real. Yeah,
of course that it was fixed.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
It wasn't exactly stone. There's a difference. There was definitely
people putting their thumbs on the scale against Trump. Guess what,
welcome to Republican verse Democrat politics that will always exist,
that exists under George W. Bush as well. There was
huge efforts against Bush in two thousand and four, when
during his reelection, huge efforts against McCain and against Romney,
and you against Donald Trump in twenty sixteen. The difference
(09:25):
between winning and losing is is huge. And this is
like the main difference I wrote with this is my
substock of the national cop of the substock. When he
ran against Hillary, you had two hugely unlikable characters, Hillary
Clinton and Donald Trump incredibly unlikable. The difference was that
Trump won the vote of the people who don't like
either of them by twenty points. So if you didn't
(09:45):
like Hillary or Trump, you were more likely to vote
for Trump than for Hillary. Now, and this is this
is the Wall Street Journal poll that was done by
Tony Fabrizio, who is Trump's polster. This is Trump's poll,
and Tony is a fabulous polster. He's and Tony, by
the way, has said over and over the election wasn't stolen.
But that's besides the point Tony said, among people who
(10:08):
don't like Biden to Biden and don't like Trump. That
same population, which is close to the majority of the country.
In both cases, they support Biden over Trump by a
manager of fifty one to fifteen. So he's losing that
same group of people that he won eight years ago
by twenty points. He's losing them by almost forty points
(10:28):
this time. So there's no yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
No, I was just going to say, I want to
return to this. I just want to take a moment
for our sponsor here because I want to ask these
two questions. Where does Trump stand? Which is a continuation
what you're going to say, and I'm sorry to cut
you off it in me too, but where does Trump
stand visa VI Biden? Based on the numbers right now?
What does that tell us about where it's going in
twenty twenty four? And then, because I have a feeling
(10:52):
what you say maybe a little depressing, what could Trump
do as the nominee to get the numbers he needs
to win? So I want to come back to that
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Speaker 2 (12:36):
Though.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I think kind of things look right now based on
the trend. Let's just put it based on what you
said about DeSantis. Let's just assume now Trump's nominee. Right
rest of this conversation, Let's assume Trumps nominee. So how
does it look for Trump going into twenty twenty four
against against Biden?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
So right now, everything suggests he would lose every single
state he lost in twenty twenty plus North Carolina and
Texas would be extremely close. He would come very close
to losing Texas within a point or two.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Well, that's terrifying.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Using Texas is Yeah, that's how bad. That's how disliked
Donald Trump has a favorability rating among voters about thirty
five percent right now. Is one of the most toxic
individuals on a national stage. Only the only person more
talks than him is Mike pens and Kamala Harris. So
it's very bad.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
That's not that's not encouraging.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
What was It's really bad?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
What no I've gotten me? It's really bad. Part of
this for sure? What just from a demographics perspective, So
everyone knows this what was lacking in twenty twenty, right,
put aside all the other noise and the and the
the zucker Bucks and the ballot harvesting, all that stuff, right,
you know whatever? Right, what numbers weren't there that needed
(13:56):
to be there to win the key states who either
didn't show up or showed up the other side in
twenty twenty when Trump was trying to win re election.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
So, I mean, I think that I think that Trump's
campaign team, and Trump has said something to this effect.
I think this campaign team made a very frequent mistake
of underestimating Hammick, who We're going to turn it on
the electric I think that he thought it was going
much lower than it was, which happens. Why do they
do a lot of campaigns from city council onwards, just
more people shout up, theyre more engaged. But I think
(14:25):
when you look at the overall numbers of there, Trump
is like just bleeding support. It's among white suburbanites. It
is so bad, it is so heavy and so bad
that I don't think that there's really much of there's. Okay,
So if you look the electric right, the elector's going
to be about sixty three sixty four percent Caucasian, maybe
sixty five percent, let's say sixty five per percent Caucasian.
(14:46):
Trump will win probably somewhere around fifty seven percent of
that support, fifty six percent of that support. So you
start his number at about thirty thirty six let's just
say thirty six percent support. Okay, Then elector is also
twelve percent thirteen percent Black. Trump's go get one percent
of that if he's lucky. So now he goes from
thirty four to thirty five percent. The electric will be
able fifteen percent Hispanic and among those, if Trump does amazing,
(15:10):
if he was a number pass, he does what he
did last time, Let's say he gets thirty nine percent,
so it's three and a half four percent more you're
at forty two forty three, and then there's a bump
from Asian, Native Americans, whatever, and you're forty three forty
four percent. What Trump managed to do in his first
election was one he got forty seven percent of the
vote by increasing the vote of non college educated whites,
(15:31):
because he kept enough college educated white who said I
hate Hillary Clinton, I hate her too much and black
voters who didn't vote. That dynamic does not work against
Joe Biden. Joe Biden, if you saw his first ad,
it was two major things. Democracy. Its very major things, Democracy, abortion,
black votes. Because he has to keep the black vote high.
He has to sit there and engage the people who
(15:52):
hate January sixth and think about it every single solitary
day and say Trump's a fundamental threat of democracy and
sits there and brings up and brings up.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Can I tell you my concern and this is in
the and again I feel obligated here to continue to
try to just learn as much as possible and have
the most honest conversations possible about this, because it felt
like going into twenty twenty two, it was crime is bad,
economy is bad. We're going to kick their asses everything's
going to be awesome and then whoops, not so much.
(16:24):
And while for me and a lot of other people,
Liz Cheney and the other Democrats, I know, she's a Republican,
but she's a Democrat now basically doing this January sixth,
you know, theatrical experience, like it was like the musical
Cats or you know, guys and Dolls or something, right,
but it was, you know, January sixth. I looked at
this and I thought this is preposterous. But when it
(16:47):
came to voting, it seemed that there were a lot
of independence and particularly college educated white voters for whom
that stuff resonated. They're like that January sixth stuff, you know.
I feel I got yelled that on the Patrick that
David podcast recently because I was like, look like Trump's
in a tougher position now than he was running in
twenty twenty in a lot of ways. I don't think
(17:09):
he was blamed the pandemic. I don't think that. I
think that's an easy excuse. I mean, sure it made
people depressed, but what do you think about what happened
with regard to the way that it went in twenty
twenty two and how we can look at the independent
vote through that prism.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Well, remember in twenty sixteen, of our base of twenty
sixteen voters, several million are dead just because they've aged out,
and the demographic change in our country. Generation ZI Dia
not was not a big voter block even in twenty
twenty as it is now and they're far left. It's
the most progressive generation ever where you're going to make
even though jen X, by the way, is becoming more
(17:46):
Republican and millennials are moving more Republican. Despite a stupid
Financial Times article said, which is not true. Even though
millennials and Gen X are moving more Republican, it doesn't
account for the added votes and the dying of the
greatest generation that in that silent generation them dying, We're
losing a lot a lot of voters. If you look
at twenty twenty, Republicans are dominating on quality of life issues, education, crime,
(18:10):
housing prices, inflation. You look at a county like Maricopa County, Arizona,
sixty percent of the of the state of Arizona lives
in one county. Republicans won the DA race. They want
to buy eight points Americopa. They won. They won this
the county school board seat, superintendent of education seat. They
won almost every down ballot election there was for quality
(18:34):
of life when they came to quality life issues in
twenty twenty two, who lost? Whose main coulpers were love
anyone who sat there and said abortion ban, support abortion bans,
and that the election was stolen Carry Lake Blake masters
Ab whatever his name was, and then Mark Finchamp. They
all lost across the entire board, you know, being Teshia
(18:57):
and not that you need to win Mayer Copa, but
you can't lose it. There's a guy, Tom Horney was
education and superintendent of Arizona. He beat an incumbent Democrat
in twenty twenty two. He won statewide Arizona, even though
he lost Maricopa. He's gonna lose by that much.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So do people do people from Mago World? Do they
argue with you on these numbers in this analysis? By
the way, like to you, not not the performative crap
on Twitter? I mean, do people really think they're wrong
on this stuff?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Not many? I mean not the people they just I
mean I speak people on Trump campaign world all the time,
and I just say to them playing blank, like you
know you can't win, right, like, you know, like this
is the like it's just the primary. You're not going
to win a general election. People genuinely independent, suburban they
genuinely their minds are made up. There's not many people
(19:48):
up in this country who don't know how they feel
about Donald Trump. And unless the conditions are so poor,
things we can't see out in the future. Let's say
we go into a massive recession. Let's say we go
to war with China or rush one thing that happens
and is cataclysmic. Next level, there's another COVID problem, something
on that level that we we don't foresee. And people's
(20:11):
heads or the guns to their heads, they don't they
do not like him, like it's just it's just an
instinctive thing. They don't like him. And the abortion thing
is really, really, really hurt Republicans, and it hurt them.
If you look at the overall map of the country,
there was a red weave. Blue districts got redder, Red
districts got redder. It was the suburban, middle class counties
(20:34):
that care enormously about the issues of like democracy and
the issues of abortion, that were the ones that moved bluer.
And that's where all our swing districts were, and that's
where we lost them. So and it didn't help that
the map wasn't really favorable to us and all the
other all the rest of it. But that's why we
lost the Senate candidates we lost, That's why we lost
the governor cantons that we lost. And you know, there
(20:57):
is a lack of there is a lack of temperate, temperate. Sorry.
The way that Trump has been approaching a lot of
these issues is cho vi chuck. But I will tell
you you asked before how he can sit there and
maybe gain some ground. Trump is already running a general
election campaign. When he dropped abortion restrictions as part of
(21:17):
his platform, which was like a last week where he
said he would not support any restrictions on federal level
of abortion, I, by the way, think is a smart
move that shows he's triangulating towards the general election campaign.
And I'm sure there's a bunch of other issues. The
one thing that he will never move on is publicly
acknowledging the election was stolen. And for a lot of people,
(21:39):
Trump is running as if he was never president before.
He's saying I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna do that.
I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do that. Dude, you
didn't do any of it the first time. You moved
an embassy like congratulation, like you cut corporation taxes and
you moved in embassy like no offense. But I kind
of don't think you're going to do this again.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
So this is just I mean, I wish, you know,
I honestly kind of want to do like Gurdusky fields
the phone calls that I get talking about this on radio,
because I'll just have some people, you know, listeners, or
maybe they're just deciding to troll me for the one
time they're calling in. I don't know, but they'll say
things like I'm voting for Trump again because he kept
(22:22):
all of his promises and got everything done that he
said he was going to get done. And you, I mean,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
How.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I don't really know what to say to that, because
it doesn't matter, because it's clear that it wouldn't matter.
And and and then I say to them, I voted
for Trump twice. I thought overall, you know, he did,
he did well as as president, and obviously vote for
me against Joe Biden. No, it doesn't matter. I have
to agree with all this other stuff or else. There's
(22:52):
like a sense of betrayal, like how could you be
you know, I mean, I'm supposed to I'm supposed to say.
I'm supposed to say that Florida sucks, the wall was built.
You know, these are things I'm supposed to say or else.
There are some people, maybe it's a small part, but
they get mad at me, and I don't really know
what I can say to them. I don't really know
(23:13):
how to I get a little flabbergasted by it.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I guess, well, I'm not out for a popularity kind of.
I don't care if they get mad at me. But
the point is, and they can troll me all day
on Twitter. I don't do the comments, so I just
listen never. There are a ton of people in the media,
and I go on the media a lot, so I
can consider it's a part of conservative media. But a
lot of people who will openly lie to the viewers,
and a lot of them every single solitary day. They're
(23:38):
paid to lie. A lot of them are paid by
campaigns secretly, or organizations that are supported by campaigns. It's
a lie, straightforward to lie every single solitary day. Some
believe the lie, but most do not. And at the
end of the day, my consciousness there and says, Okay,
if there's there's a wall built, how are all these
migrants crossing the wall? Where? How are where? We see
(24:01):
tons of video footage of migrants walking across the border?
Why are they being stopped by that wall? But Trump built,
and he built fifteen miles, which is okay, better than nothing.
But if conquer stuff in the fifteen miles built? Or
did he not try? Why did he? Why did why?
Why did Donald Trump push most of his most of
(24:21):
his politics to his Democrats on the law only?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I could I get somebody who is all all in
on Trump on the other side already?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Right?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Can I try to? I want to moderate a Could
we do like a show where I will moderate the
day between you two?
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Let's do it? Yeah, listen, And I don't comment this
as some I'm not Bill Crystal, I'm not you know,
Cindy McCain. I voted for Donald Trump every time he
was on the ballot. The day he came down that
golden escalator, I said, he's my guy, like a lot
of people. But like a lot of people who came
to Trump to support him. I didn't support him because
he was on the Apprentice. I didn't support him because
(25:04):
you know he was going to tell McConnell f himself
and act like an asshole on Twitter. Scuse my langage,
I'm not going to I wasn't. I didn't support I
support him because he said our country is fundamentally broken
by our elite, which I still agree with. I still
agree with every policy he put forward. In twenty sixteen,
I voted for him to be president, and very few
of those policies ever got accomplished. And it's not because
(25:27):
the chance wasn't there. It was that we didn't have
a leader who even exercised that chance. And let me
give you one little example. He could not get the
Raiz Act done, the Raise Act, which would have altered
our immigration policy fundamentally for the better. He could not
get Republicans to sign on to it, or Democrats is
when they had the majority in both houses. So you
know what he should have done. He should have sat
(25:48):
there to say, Nancy posts, Mitch McConnell, the president has
the sole authority to withhold any class or any single
immigrant that they want to on their own, you know. Latterly,
if Trump called, just provide him with Briden's president day.
If Biden said, guess what, guys, no more redheads in
this country. He has unilateral authority. No one can tell
him no, I had that authority. You know what he
(26:08):
was doing. He was meeting with Jeff Bezos saying how
Jeff Bezos needs more immigrants.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
So hold on it, yeah, hold on a second. I
got to reach for some scotch here while we're doing
this podcast, okay, And I need to. I need to
numb the pain of what you're telling me a little bit.
And I do by the way I want to have
because this needs to happen, because what the situation right
now is we just have people who the the line
(26:33):
from the Trump surrogates is agree with everything, or you're
a trader and cap and twenty twenty never happened. And
I sit here and I say, I've supported Trump for years.
I've supported Trump in ways that have cost me, friends,
have cost me, you know, peace of mind, just like
(26:53):
walking into events and stuff from psychopaths. We're threating, like
you know I've been, and I'm just trying to make
sure or we don't lose again and that is on it.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That is I would ask, I don't want I think
I want to estimate this way though. Look, we Joe
Biden has a very real chance of picking Alito and
Clarence's replacements, Clarence Thomas's replacements on the Supreme Court. There's
a very real chance that that could happen in our future.
And we have nine Democrats in swing to swing states
(27:24):
and the US sent it up for a vote in
twenty twenty four. We can't screw around. This isn't for
you know, shits and giggles. This is a real thing
for the future of our country in a real fundamental way.
And we just can't sit there with a guy who
just released the book making fun of John McCain's funeral again,
Like it's been five years that he has been dead.
(27:46):
What are you still angry about? Like what kind of
person are you? You just lost Arizona. Carrie Lake just
lost Arizona. But masters just lost Arizona. So you're a
plan is let me release a book where I should
on John McCain a year before they when only three
states really matter Georgia, Wisconsin, and Arizona. I mean that
is that shows that week here about winning more than
(28:07):
the man who would put his name on the Battle
with Dunes.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
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back here a second and talk about how we can
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some positive time. Okay, the coach just told us that
we we've blown our coverage and we're fumbling next to
the end zone. And okay, all right, fine, Now tell
the team, sir, how we can actually get into the
(29:37):
end zone and win this game? How can we win
twenty twenty four? What has to happen?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I think that I think the Republicans need to accept
certain fundamental truths, one of which is, even if we
had sixty units at centers, we're not going to ban
abortionationwide and all fighting on a federal level abortions. Have
you still got planned parent of fund it is? We
should leave it to the states and just walk away
from that fight. Altogether, it's never going to happen. To
(30:04):
fight hard for something that you can win is totally acceptable.
To fight for something hard and possibly lose for something
you cannot win, circumstands, is a mistake. I think states
should be should be left up to states, and states
should decide, says one. Two. You got to just walk
away from the whole twenty twenty conversation entirely not important.
(30:26):
Talking about really living January sixth not important. What's important
is not the children a woman may have. It's not
It's not conversations on things people did at the capital
three years ago. The conversation is what's going on for
that kid in a classroom today who has that experience
of massive learning loss, who is more likely if they
are black, and more likely to die now than they
(30:46):
work before twenty seventeen in the streets, somebody that's like Chicago,
Philadelphia and Baltimore and Louisiana, New Orleans. What are we
going to sit there and have a real conversation about
how how are we going to prevent like another COVID
from happening. You know, everything Trump ever said in twenty
sixteen was true about how we don't have a manufacturing
based in this country, and we still don't have one.
(31:08):
And the job the manufacturing jobs that did come back
under Trump didn't come back to the Midwest. They came
back to Arizona, to Nevada, to California, to Texas, to Florida.
They didn't come back to the rustbels. How are we
actually going to make a real positive investment in places
that people are are just leaving and how are we
going to make those How is the federal government the
same federal government that killed those places by putting China
(31:29):
into into the free trade to the World Trade Organization
and giving free trade to China? How are we going
to reinstate those people's hopes and fears? Those are the
kinds of conversations that need to be happy, you know,
we need to have. How are we going to protect
the border and literally thousands of people on the terrascet
watchers have crossed our border. Those those are stations that
require serious people being in charge of our country.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
As you want to There's something I want to ask
you of. I meaned to ask you this again based
on what we can see from the numbers. I'm trying
to tell everybody, by the way and this is just
having been close enough to the Afghanistan issue specifically and
you know, at policy level and everything else being over there,
that this idea that talking about the disastrous withdrawal from
(32:16):
Afghanistan is gonna win US votes. I think it's crazy
because ultimately, and a lot of people don't want to
hear this, but we're not in Afghanistan anymore. That's the truth. Yeah,
we're not there, so we can talk about that, the
withdrawal and it was a mess, and it was you know,
it was the people in charge look like idiots. Yes,
all true, but that's not going to win us the election.
Right Ukraine? How does Ukraine factor into all this? Do
(32:40):
people care? And if they care enough that it matters
for the election, what does it look like for us
to try to use the Ukraine issue in order to show,
you know, endless war is a bad idea, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Well more important than US wars are. Pent Ton has
even stated we don't have military equipment left anymore given
it all to Ukraine, Like there's tons of military shortages,
military equipment shortages, and like here's I think the way
to sit there and explain it. We borrow money from China,
who's Russia's ally to give to Ukraine to fight Russia,
(33:19):
so we could hit with the debt and the inflation
to fight that. It benefits our major global opponent that
we have long term problems with than the current one.
I think a big problem for a lot of people,
especially in leadership, is they haven't except that the Cold
War is over and we want it, and it's gone
now in Russia is not the Soviet Union, and we
(33:42):
should be working with our allies in other places on
a ceasefire, on ending the war in some way shape
and form, not continuating it so we can kill as
many Russians as possible. But ultimately we are at a
disadvantage because our military equipment is literally at the lowest
levels has been in a decade, and we are doing
this at to borrowing the money from China to give
(34:05):
to Ukraine to fight China's ally and titting ourselves more
to China and creating more inflation. Is that we can't
get the money from China, We're just printing it. So
it's I think I think the more the bigger question
is is like you know, we've given more money to Ukraine,
We've Afghanistan and we still have wholes. I've been to
like parts of this country that people talk about that
(34:25):
they actually go to. I've been to parts of like
the rough industry of Midwest where there was the potholes
so large it was a mattress. And to stop the
bubble like, we are spending far more on other people's
problems that we can't solve and we will ever spend
on ourselves. And that is a problem for a working
class in this country and a middle class in this
country who can't pay for college, who can't find a home,
(34:47):
can't pay for the down payment of a home. We're
getting killed with interest rates, long lines for gasoline at times.
This is the ultimate problem is how are you going
what I said before, with what Republicans are killing everyone?
On Denver as on his quality life issues, How are
you going to make the quality of life of the
average American better? And describe it in a way that
(35:08):
Bernie Sanders describes his Medicare policy, where if you close
your eyes and you thought about it, you could envision
your life being better. I think that's the I think
going back to basics and answer that always great everyone
a wall. You can imagine your life because of X
y Z. What is what is the promise of the future.
(35:30):
That what the Sander should be figuring out right now.
That is what Trump should be working on right now
and moving forward into twenty twenty four.
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name Buck. Can we win the Senate at least?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah? I mean you can. You got to win Ohio
and West Virginia, the and just to defend Texas. And
I think the map is so good. The map is
excellent this time around. You have so many opportunities to
win the Senate. It would be it's really unbelievable if
it doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
What's the Is there any place where we could try
to steal one out of their kitchen cupboard, if you
know what I mean? Is there any place we could
pick up a seat where it'll really piss the Democrats off?
Because that's always exciting.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
I mean, yeah, we have the chance of Arizona because
kitchen center rings an independent. You have West Virginia, you
have Ohio, you have Montana, you have Nevada, where the
Democrat this time is even less puper than the government
democrat last time. You don't have Georgia this time. I
think it's in twenty six but you do have you
have a ton of places. There's like that's.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Five, Arizona is kind of what I mean, Arizona would
be like that would be a morale win too, you
know what I mean, to pick up a senatece.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah there, I was just there for school board stuff. Yeah,
it would be a huge win, and it's totally possible.
And I think cinema hates the Democrats more than shades
the Republicans. So we have noways be huge and I
think that there's other by you think New Hampshire is
up to which would be a huge win. We haven't
had to win there in since twenty sixteen, as when
we lost our Senate seat. There wasn't that long ago.
Pennsylvania is uplo. It's a tough, tougher road. Michigan is
(38:01):
an open seat that would be great if it's possible.
Wisconsin is, I believe as well. So there's there's nine
states right there that are swing states, red states that
if you have a red wave with a present who's
remarkably unpopular, as long as you don't run anybody who's
even less unpopular, you know even in twenty eighteen we
(38:23):
picked up Senate seats, so it's totally possible we had
a net game for three sentence seats I believe it was,
and there were two sentence seats in the Senate.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
I'll take this. I'll take this closing happy meal from
Gerdusky here gratefully and not ask him any more questions.
It's likes has no chance, Trump, has no chance, it
gets by, and it was a little depressing the Senate. However,
looking good for us folks. So take that one home
with you, and you know it's those better days ahead.
I promise Roan Gerdusky go check out the seventeen seventy
(38:50):
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because it's very insightful. And just go to substack right,
look up National Populis Newsletter, or just google your name.
Ryan Peoples, like, how do I spell his name? I'm like, ah,
it's close enough. Some kind of Polish thing for Dusky.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that ten percent Polish really handy.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
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