October 27, 2024 • 22 mins
Clay’s controversial takes on leaf blowers and reclining your airplane seat.. Allie Beth Stuckey tells us about Toxic Empathy.
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My take on leaf blowers, as I put it on
social media after I set it on the show, it
has provoked a firestorm in the In the mentions, people
are just metaphorically pulling out their axes and taking chops
at each other. Let me just be clear, if you
disagree with me on this issue, you are flat out wrong.
(01:23):
There should be no leaf blowing before nine am, definitely
before nine am on the weekends. And people out there
are like, I wake up earlier. I got up at
four twenty in the morning for six years. All right,
I understand some of you get up early in the morning.
That doesn't mean the first thing you need to do
is go get your flipping the leaf blower and start
running it all over the place and waking up the
(01:45):
whole neighborhood. Nine am is a civilized hour nationwide. I
think that if you want to go blow your leaves
after nine am and somebody's upset, that's on them. Pre
nine am, you were not the good guy here. You
are the evil leaf blowing monster of your neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I like when I can, in good conscience stand to
thwart Clay's pronouncements and try to push back on a
clay ism. I cannot do that here. I totally agree
with him. So if some of you want to take
up the side of Big leaf Blower, if you want
to be on team Big leaf Blower, you can do
that right into us Clayanbuck dot com if you're VIP. Also,
(02:23):
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is easier for you for a lot of folks. If
you're on the iHeart app, you can press go to
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record a message to us, and it will go to us,
and the team will play it for us, and we
can even play it on the air. But Clay, I
cannot disagree with you on this one. I was hoping
that there was a little daylight here to just give
(02:45):
you a hard time, but Leafblowers got the terror of you.
Leaf Blowers pre nine am needs to stop.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I can't look there.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I'm big on this, and I understand some of you
live in Florida places like that.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
When I'm at my Florida place.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Now I'm gonna sound like the biggest deva on the planet.
They start with the leaf blowing there even in first
of all, it can't be that effective. All right, let's
start with can we bring back the rake? I would
submit to you that the rake has been unfairly maligned
and was actually effective in a huge way for a
very long time. A lot of what you guys do
(03:22):
is just blow leaves back and forth at each other's yard,
so you don't actually clean anything up. You just push
them into your neighbor's yard, and then he gets up
and then he pushes them.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Back into your yard.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
And it's like the Magno lines constantly getting redefined. Here
you're not actually producing anything of value. We got leaf
trench warfare. Back in the day, you had the rake,
and you'd have a big pile of leaves which the
kids could all run and jump in, and everybody enjoyed it.
And maybe you burned it, maybe you bagged it up,
whatever you did.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Is it like anti climate change now to burn leaves.
I don't even know what the latest is on that
the leaf blower is not making the world a better place.
And if you're up early in the morning with the
leaf blower, you are a bad person. You are destroying
the sleep patterns of Americans everywhere.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I cannot disagree with you here. I will tell you.
I also had someone sitting next to me on the
plane last night who had a child of maybe four
or five years old, and the this is you're wrong
on that. You are a chad no no headphones, no headphones.
So I'm sitting here, I'm trying to prepare for the
(04:31):
radio show. I've got my noise canceling headphones in not
good enough. I've got to hear like Paw Patrol on
volume eleven for two hours of the flight yesterday. Clay, really,
you really think that the no headphones for the kids
is an acceptable state of affairs. I just want to
fight with them.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I'm just telling you, when you have kids, all your
kid takes are gonna flip.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Clay and Buck, your argument against leaf blowing before nine
am is fundament flawed. If you've ever had a neighbor
that plays basketball till midnight or beyond, there needs to
be justice. I urge you to reconsider your argument.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
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Speaker 2 (05:16):
The leaf blowing community both thro and con absolute uproar.
You thought abortion religion third rails that you could not
touch the leaf blowing. Opinions are rampant. It's like buck
and I'm very strong, a very strong opinion on this too.
(05:37):
What you should do about reclining seats on airplanes, I
would ban them. I think that all of you who
recline your seats are evil. I think partly this has
to do with what size you are of a human.
If you are anywhere near six feet and you are
find flying coach on an airplane, if someone reclines their
(05:58):
seat in any way, it's like they're basically sitting in
your lap.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Other people of you. My wife's five two.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I look over sometimes on airplane flights and it's like
she's got a huge luxury seat to be hanging out in.
If you are a decent sized man in an airplane
and someone reclines in your vicinity, I understand why you
are filled with rage. Strong opinion there. I don't think
that should be allowed either. I'm looking out for everyone,
(06:25):
trying to bring common courtesy the world and bring everyone together.
We will take some of your responses there.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Early morning, leaf flowers and flute players coming for Clay.
Once again he has he has kicked over the leaf pile.
He is getting a lot of heat. And here we
have a leaflow This is from our talkback San Antonio listener.
Ben owns a landscape company. Let's play this one.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
I use leaf flowers whenever I have to. I own
a landscape company and I do lawn maintenance. I have
ten to fifteen lons per day on Thursdays and Fridays.
And if I don't get started at seven, then I'm
going to have an issue finishing before it gets dark
out now, but even before I'll be up until I'll
be working until eight thirty in the summer. And if
(07:15):
I don't get started early, so that's my issue.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
What say you, Clay, Should he get night vision goggles?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, I want him out after dark. I appreciate the
fact that he works hard. Man, sleep in a little
bit in the morning and come out a little bit later.
And look in particular all of you non professional leaf blowers,
because his full time job is that right, A lot
of you with your own leaf blowers are running around
(07:44):
on the weekend at seven am, destroying the sleep habits
of Americans everywhere. And you know who agrees with me,
Buck Sexton's fabulous mother. She has great taste in the
leaf blowing issue as well.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
I agree. I'll stand with my lawnmower eight fifty five
on a Saturday morning, and what's what's the clock go
down to or up to nine o'clock nine am, and
then I'll pull the cord. Same thing with me.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
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Speaker 1 (08:18):
We've also got a listener talk back clip here and
this is I, guys, I'm not sure this is Phoenix
listener Paul. So can we hear from Phoenix listener Paul?
I don't know what the number is on this one.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
Clay Buck love your show. There is one exception to
the leaf lower thing here in Arizona. In Phoenix at
seven o'clock in the morning, people started early with their
yardwork in the summertime because it's already one hundred degrees
by nine o'clock, it's one hundred and five hundred and
eight by noon it's one hundred and fifteen. So Arizona,
especially the Phoenix metro area, you know, that is the
(08:55):
one exception to the rule. But outside of that, I'm
in full agreement with.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
You, Clay, you leaf blower tyrant, do you make this
exception for extreme heat in the early morning leaf blowing community.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
I do not.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I think you should put on like a liquid filled suit,
air condition yourself and let people sleep. Let me just
say this, you leaf blowers have come at me. You're
all wrong. I will stick to this the same way
I stick to it. We have a basketball court in
my backyard. I tell my boys, you cannot play basketball
before nine am, and you can't play after nine am,
(09:34):
because I am a civilized person concerned about everyone who
lives around PM nine pm. Yes, they have twelve hour
window when normal people are awake. That is the hour
in which we can play basketball or leaf blow.
Speaker 8 (09:47):
You guys are some of the biggest babies. Sometimes the
reason people get out early to do leaves is because
as the sun gets going and by noontime, it's usually
very wind and that's a pain in the butt, especially
in the northeast where the leaves are. I don't even
know why there's leaf blowing being done in South Florida
(10:10):
except for grass blowing. Anyways, stumpying babies.
Speaker 9 (10:16):
I hate to tell you that you're wrong play. I'm
a mother of four, and I pride myself on teaching
them good manners. That child definitely should have had headphones on.
You're right, Buck, teach your kids how to have good manners.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
You can't go wrong.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
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Speaker 2 (10:41):
Happy eightieth birthday to my dad norm Travis, turning eighty
years old today. We have got dinner. He broke his
hip recently, he is recovering. He listens to the show
every single day. Fabulous Dad. I'm a lucky kid who
have been raised by him as good of a dad
as there could be anywhere on the planet. And all
(11:02):
six of his grandkids are going to be a dinner
tonight along with my sister and me, so he will
have a fun dinner tonight. But happy eightieth birthday to him.
We got a couple of different reactions that are funny.
Let's start with Judy, who wanted to fire away at me.
Here's what Judy had to.
Speaker 10 (11:18):
Say, Clay, this is a response to your airline reclining
seat issue. I hope someday that I am able to
sit in front of you on a long cross country
flight and I will recline my seat the whole way
because that's what I do. I like to recline. Sorry
that you don't like it, but anyway, you guys are great.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
What about Judy Buck just teeing off on me. She
wants to fly cross country and just put her seat
right in my lap?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Well you got that. And then also from our VIP's Clay,
Wayne writes the pronunciation police pulling Clay over writing him
a ticket. They're failing, or rather they are citing him
for failure to do a number of things. Here, Clay,
it is not Ethel. It is Ethel. My ears hurt
(12:10):
hearing you mispronounce it. Go Trump, Wayne does not want
When did you even say this?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I think I might have said ethel. That's an old
no offense to the Ethel or Ethel's or whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
You are a lot of ethyls. Listen, you better mind
your p's and q's, Sir.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I don't know that I've ever met anybody named Ethel.
I mean, I think you had to be born in
like eighteen eighty four to be named Ethel. By the way,
Brian says, here's the complication to what Clay was asserting.
He's right, meaning guys are lying and voting for Trump.
What do the guys do to fake disappointment when Trump wins?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Big trouble?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
No, no, no, When Trump wins, you get to feel
great inside. But you take your wife or your girlfriend,
you say, honey, I'm so sorry about this. You give
him a hug and you try to make out with
them to make them feel better.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Double win for you.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Come on chess, not checkers.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
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Speaker 1 (13:04):
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Speaker 1 (13:16):
We're joined by Ali Beth Stuckey. Notebook Toxic Empathy. How
progressives exploit Christian compassion all grit to have you back
on the show.
Speaker 11 (13:29):
Yeah, thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I actually can ask you before we get into toxic empathy.
I don't know if you saw I was on Bill Maher.
We talked about toxic masculinity, which is also just known
to democrats as masculinity. Seems to me like hating men
might have electoral consequences. What do you think, Oh, you
know what?
Speaker 12 (13:48):
I think the tide is turning on that book. I mean,
you saw that amazing ad where they had those six
or five really macho guys that were complete manly men,
totally organic support of Kamala Harris there.
Speaker 11 (14:03):
I'm sure that probably even made you question.
Speaker 12 (14:06):
Whether or not you were going to vote for Donald
Trump just based on their manly man at alone.
Speaker 11 (14:12):
And so I don't know.
Speaker 12 (14:13):
I think Democrats have basically nailed this whole masculinity thing
based on what I'm seeing from Kamala.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, well, when they said that they had that one
guy who said I eat carburetors for breakfast, I was like,
no guy who has ever even opened the hood of
a car ever in his life says I eat carburetors
for breakfast.
Speaker 11 (14:32):
Yeah, you know, I'm a woman.
Speaker 12 (14:33):
I won't even pretend to know what that means. But
I don't think it's something you're supposed to digest.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
I'm pretty gather that that's pretty it's pretty fair toxic empathy.
Let's dive into this actually, because I think you see
this a lot with the way the Democrat campaign is
going right now. I mean, you talk about in the
book there's five primary lies, and you have them listened
as lies. Abortion is healthcare is one of the centerpieces
(14:58):
of Kamala's campaign, but also really at the Democrat Party overall,
there are some of us ally who worry that if
Kamala is able to squeak across the finish line. Is
it just because of this issue and its resonance? What
do you make of it?
Speaker 10 (15:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (15:15):
You know, people say that this is such an unpopular
issue for Republicans, that being pro life is an unpopular position,
But it's really that the lies that are constructed by
the pro abortion side, the billion dollar lobby that they
have over there, those might be popular, but the truth
about what abortion is is not actually popular, which is
(15:35):
exactly why Kamala Harris's campaign and the Democrats actually rely
on euphemisms, They rely on deceit to push their point
across and to take this across the finish line. That's
why they're conflating miscarriages, which is a tragic incident that happens,
you know, not by the fault of anyone, an abortion,
which is the purposeful killing of a child. They're trying
(15:57):
to tell you that voting for Kamala is going to
protect miscarriage care. They're trying to say that this is
saving the lives of women by supporting Kamala Harris. They're
not actually saying, hey, abortion is great, here is how
it works.
Speaker 11 (16:12):
This is what you should vote for.
Speaker 12 (16:14):
Because they understand that the barberism that is abortion is
actually very unpopular, so they have to lie and use
this toxic empathy to manipulate people.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
It also bothers me, Alex, because I think that there's
a general trend among Democrats and this is something that
I think that Trump right has recognized and effectively refuses
to play the game by these rules where they try
to use your decency, your sense of kindness, and your
sense of getting along with your fellow Americans as a
(16:45):
weapon against you. I know that's something you get into
in toxic empathy.
Speaker 11 (16:49):
Oh yeah, that's the perfect way to say it.
Speaker 12 (16:51):
Because most of us, especially those of us who are Christians,
we have not only a natural but a spiritual inclination
and towards helping those who need help and lifting others up.
And we're naturally compassionate, especially women. We're natural nurtures. That
empathy muscle is really strong and that can be used
in a really good way. The problem is when it's
(17:14):
exploited for toxic or harmful means, and how toxic empathy
is employed. They take your natural compassion towards someone that
they hoist up as a victim. Say it's an illegal immigrant,
say it's a poor woman who is pregnant, and they
take you through this heartrending story and by they, I
mean the left wing media, and they lead you to
(17:35):
the conclusion that the only righteous, compassionate, and moral position
to take is the progressive one. So if you really
love women, then you will support her choice to have
an abortion. If you really love the immigrant and the
sojourner and the foreigner, then you.
Speaker 11 (17:51):
Will open up the border.
Speaker 12 (17:53):
And it goes like that on every issue, whether it's
criminal justice or whether it's the transgender issue.
Speaker 11 (18:00):
They pull at your heart strings and make you think
that the.
Speaker 12 (18:02):
Only righteous position to take is theirs, and unfortunately that
dupes a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Well, I think we've seen that progression ali, particularly on
the trans rights issue, which has moved very, you know,
very aggressively in recent years, including under the bidenministration. Right
Biden's supposed to be the old school blue dog Democrat or whatever.
Biden Whitehouse was putting out stuff about gender transition for
teenagers and how this is medical care and all this.
(18:27):
But if you go back and look at that progression,
it starts out with just what's the big deal, Just
use the preferred pronunce. Don't be a jerk, use the
preferred pronounce what's the big deal? Don't be a jerk.
Let the guy who says he's a girl use the
locker room. What's it to you if somebody who's actually
a guy, you know, competes on the girls sports team, right?
I mean, at every stage, it's you don't want to
(18:48):
make this person feel bad, you don't want to be unkind,
and then it turns into federal policy.
Speaker 11 (18:55):
Exactly.
Speaker 12 (18:55):
It always starts out with, well, how does this hurt you?
And I know this is controversial to say, even among
some conservative audiences, but it goes back further than the pronouns.
Speaker 11 (19:05):
It goes back to a Bergefell.
Speaker 12 (19:06):
It goes back to redefining marriage because love is love
is the same math as trans women are women. It's
the same kind of circular mantra that goes into the
idea that men and women are interchangeable, that there's nothing
special about male and female husband and wife, mom and dad.
These are just social constructs that we can exchange, interchange
(19:28):
as we see fit. And that's how we got this
idea that a man can become a woman and vice versa.
Speaker 11 (19:33):
But You're absolutely right.
Speaker 12 (19:35):
It capitalizes on our desire to not be seen as bad,
to not be seen as rude, to not be seen
as a Karen, to be tolerant, to be loving, And
then once they've gotten in with that kind of emotional manipulation,
they can go a little bit further, in a little
bit further until you're saying, well, the empathetic and loving
and righteous thing to do is to subsidize child sex changes.
(19:59):
And unfortunate, that's where we are. But hopefully we can
call our way back with some good old fashioned truth.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Well, that's what I want to ask you. What is
the I know you're you're laying out and dissecting some
of the big lies that manipulate And I really feels
something demonic about manipulating people's goodness as a means of
getting bad things to happen, right, I mean that it
seems very I don't know, luciferian, But how do you
(20:26):
try to fortify people for the fight ahead on issues
like this and and how do you deal with that?
I'm a good person. I want to be a good person,
but that doesn't mean just going along with with whatever
moral blackmail the left is offering.
Speaker 12 (20:43):
Yeah, so I wanted to make the argument not that hey, empathetic,
empathy might seem tempting, but don't be empathetic. And sure,
being progressive is compassionate, but don't be compassionate.
Speaker 11 (20:55):
That's not the route that I take in the book.
Speaker 12 (20:58):
I actually give a lot of credit to the heartstring
pulling strategy that the last very often employees to get
people to vote for them. But then I look at
the other side of the story. So I tell a
story from their perspective of an illegal alien who fled
here from Mexico with her children got deported. Obviously, the
Washington Post when they told that story they wanted us
(21:20):
to be against deportation. But then I tell an equally
heartrending story of Kate Steinley, who, of course was shot
in the back by an illegal alien in San Francisco
thirty two years old, died in her dad's arm, saying
help me, daddy.
Speaker 11 (21:33):
That was a preventable murder.
Speaker 12 (21:35):
She should be alive today, she should be a mother, married, thriving,
but she's not because of the intentional and deliberate open
border policies that we have. So there are people on
both sides of every issue that should get our empathy
and compassion. But then we have to ask ourselves what
is true and what is right, What is true and
right morally, what is true and right logically, scientifically, but
(21:57):
also as a Christian, what is true and right biblically,
And that should be our guide in policy making, not
how we feel.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Ali Beth stucky everybody. She has this great book, Toxic
Empathy How Progressives exploit Christian compassions. You can see right here.
I've got my copy. I'm actually getting on a flight.
I'm gonna read it. Ali, thank you so much, great
to have you
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Speaker 2 (01:02):
My take on leaf blowers, as I put it on
social media after I set it on the show, it
has provoked a firestorm in the In the mentions, people
are just metaphorically pulling out their axes and taking chops
at each other. Let me just be clear, if you
disagree with me on this issue, you are flat out wrong.
(01:23):
There should be no leaf blowing before nine am, definitely
before nine am on the weekends. And people out there
are like, I wake up earlier. I got up at
four twenty in the morning for six years. All right,
I understand some of you get up early in the morning.
That doesn't mean the first thing you need to do
is go get your flipping the leaf blower and start
running it all over the place and waking up the
(01:45):
whole neighborhood. Nine am is a civilized hour nationwide. I
think that if you want to go blow your leaves
after nine am and somebody's upset, that's on them. Pre
nine am, you were not the good guy here. You
are the evil leaf blowing monster of your neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I like when I can, in good conscience stand to
thwart Clay's pronouncements and try to push back on a
clay ism. I cannot do that here. I totally agree
with him. So if some of you want to take
up the side of Big leaf Blower, if you want
to be on team Big leaf Blower, you can do
that right into us Clayanbuck dot com if you're VIP. Also,
(02:23):
if you want to send us and you know this
is easier for you for a lot of folks. If
you're on the iHeart app, you can press go to
Clay and Buck. On the iHeart app, there's a little
microphone like what is that. You can press it and
record a message to us, and it will go to us,
and the team will play it for us, and we
can even play it on the air. But Clay, I
cannot disagree with you on this one. I was hoping
that there was a little daylight here to just give
(02:45):
you a hard time, but Leafblowers got the terror of you.
Leaf Blowers pre nine am needs to stop.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I can't look there.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I'm big on this, and I understand some of you
live in Florida places like that.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
When I'm at my Florida place.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Now I'm gonna sound like the biggest deva on the planet.
They start with the leaf blowing there even in first
of all, it can't be that effective. All right, let's
start with can we bring back the rake? I would
submit to you that the rake has been unfairly maligned
and was actually effective in a huge way for a
very long time. A lot of what you guys do
(03:22):
is just blow leaves back and forth at each other's yard,
so you don't actually clean anything up. You just push
them into your neighbor's yard, and then he gets up
and then he pushes them.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Back into your yard.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
And it's like the Magno lines constantly getting redefined. Here
you're not actually producing anything of value. We got leaf
trench warfare. Back in the day, you had the rake,
and you'd have a big pile of leaves which the
kids could all run and jump in, and everybody enjoyed it.
And maybe you burned it, maybe you bagged it up,
whatever you did.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Is it like anti climate change now to burn leaves.
I don't even know what the latest is on that
the leaf blower is not making the world a better place.
And if you're up early in the morning with the
leaf blower, you are a bad person. You are destroying
the sleep patterns of Americans everywhere.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I cannot disagree with you here. I will tell you.
I also had someone sitting next to me on the
plane last night who had a child of maybe four
or five years old, and the this is you're wrong
on that. You are a chad no no headphones, no headphones.
So I'm sitting here, I'm trying to prepare for the
(04:31):
radio show. I've got my noise canceling headphones in not
good enough. I've got to hear like Paw Patrol on
volume eleven for two hours of the flight yesterday. Clay, really,
you really think that the no headphones for the kids
is an acceptable state of affairs. I just want to
fight with them.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I'm just telling you, when you have kids, all your
kid takes are gonna flip.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Clay and Buck, your argument against leaf blowing before nine
am is fundament flawed. If you've ever had a neighbor
that plays basketball till midnight or beyond, there needs to
be justice. I urge you to reconsider your argument.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Sundays with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
The leaf blowing community both thro and con absolute uproar.
You thought abortion religion third rails that you could not
touch the leaf blowing. Opinions are rampant. It's like buck
and I'm very strong, a very strong opinion on this too.
(05:37):
What you should do about reclining seats on airplanes, I
would ban them. I think that all of you who
recline your seats are evil. I think partly this has
to do with what size you are of a human.
If you are anywhere near six feet and you are
find flying coach on an airplane, if someone reclines their
(05:58):
seat in any way, it's like they're basically sitting in
your lap.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Other people of you. My wife's five two.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I look over sometimes on airplane flights and it's like
she's got a huge luxury seat to be hanging out in.
If you are a decent sized man in an airplane
and someone reclines in your vicinity, I understand why you
are filled with rage. Strong opinion there. I don't think
that should be allowed either. I'm looking out for everyone,
(06:25):
trying to bring common courtesy the world and bring everyone together.
We will take some of your responses there.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Early morning, leaf flowers and flute players coming for Clay.
Once again he has he has kicked over the leaf pile.
He is getting a lot of heat. And here we
have a leaflow This is from our talkback San Antonio listener.
Ben owns a landscape company. Let's play this one.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
I use leaf flowers whenever I have to. I own
a landscape company and I do lawn maintenance. I have
ten to fifteen lons per day on Thursdays and Fridays.
And if I don't get started at seven, then I'm
going to have an issue finishing before it gets dark
out now, but even before I'll be up until I'll
be working until eight thirty in the summer. And if
(07:15):
I don't get started early, so that's my issue.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
What say you, Clay, Should he get night vision goggles?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, I want him out after dark. I appreciate the
fact that he works hard. Man, sleep in a little
bit in the morning and come out a little bit later.
And look in particular all of you non professional leaf blowers,
because his full time job is that right, A lot
of you with your own leaf blowers are running around
(07:44):
on the weekend at seven am, destroying the sleep habits
of Americans everywhere. And you know who agrees with me,
Buck Sexton's fabulous mother. She has great taste in the
leaf blowing issue as well.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
I agree. I'll stand with my lawnmower eight fifty five
on a Saturday morning, and what's what's the clock go
down to or up to nine o'clock nine am, and
then I'll pull the cord. Same thing with me.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Flowers Sunday drop with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
We've also got a listener talk back clip here and
this is I, guys, I'm not sure this is Phoenix
listener Paul. So can we hear from Phoenix listener Paul?
I don't know what the number is on this one.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
Clay Buck love your show. There is one exception to
the leaf lower thing here in Arizona. In Phoenix at
seven o'clock in the morning, people started early with their
yardwork in the summertime because it's already one hundred degrees
by nine o'clock, it's one hundred and five hundred and
eight by noon it's one hundred and fifteen. So Arizona,
especially the Phoenix metro area, you know, that is the
(08:55):
one exception to the rule. But outside of that, I'm
in full agreement with.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
You, Clay, you leaf blower tyrant, do you make this
exception for extreme heat in the early morning leaf blowing community.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
I do not.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I think you should put on like a liquid filled suit,
air condition yourself and let people sleep. Let me just
say this, you leaf blowers have come at me. You're
all wrong. I will stick to this the same way
I stick to it. We have a basketball court in
my backyard. I tell my boys, you cannot play basketball
before nine am, and you can't play after nine am,
(09:34):
because I am a civilized person concerned about everyone who
lives around PM nine pm. Yes, they have twelve hour
window when normal people are awake. That is the hour
in which we can play basketball or leaf blow.
Speaker 8 (09:47):
You guys are some of the biggest babies. Sometimes the
reason people get out early to do leaves is because
as the sun gets going and by noontime, it's usually
very wind and that's a pain in the butt, especially
in the northeast where the leaves are. I don't even
know why there's leaf blowing being done in South Florida
(10:10):
except for grass blowing. Anyways, stumpying babies.
Speaker 9 (10:16):
I hate to tell you that you're wrong play. I'm
a mother of four, and I pride myself on teaching
them good manners. That child definitely should have had headphones on.
You're right, Buck, teach your kids how to have good manners.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
You can't go wrong.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
On Sunday Sizzle with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Happy eightieth birthday to my dad norm Travis, turning eighty
years old today. We have got dinner. He broke his
hip recently, he is recovering. He listens to the show
every single day. Fabulous Dad. I'm a lucky kid who
have been raised by him as good of a dad
as there could be anywhere on the planet. And all
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six of his grandkids are going to be a dinner
tonight along with my sister and me, so he will
have a fun dinner tonight. But happy eightieth birthday to him.
We got a couple of different reactions that are funny.
Let's start with Judy, who wanted to fire away at me.
Here's what Judy had to.
Speaker 10 (11:18):
Say, Clay, this is a response to your airline reclining
seat issue. I hope someday that I am able to
sit in front of you on a long cross country
flight and I will recline my seat the whole way
because that's what I do. I like to recline. Sorry
that you don't like it, but anyway, you guys are great.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
What about Judy Buck just teeing off on me. She
wants to fly cross country and just put her seat
right in my lap?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Well you got that. And then also from our VIP's Clay,
Wayne writes the pronunciation police pulling Clay over writing him
a ticket. They're failing, or rather they are citing him
for failure to do a number of things. Here, Clay,
it is not Ethel. It is Ethel. My ears hurt
(12:10):
hearing you mispronounce it. Go Trump, Wayne does not want
When did you even say this?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I think I might have said ethel. That's an old
no offense to the Ethel or Ethel's or whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
You are a lot of ethyls. Listen, you better mind
your p's and q's, Sir.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I don't know that I've ever met anybody named Ethel.
I mean, I think you had to be born in
like eighteen eighty four to be named Ethel. By the way,
Brian says, here's the complication to what Clay was asserting.
He's right, meaning guys are lying and voting for Trump.
What do the guys do to fake disappointment when Trump wins?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Big trouble?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
No, no, no, When Trump wins, you get to feel
great inside. But you take your wife or your girlfriend,
you say, honey, I'm so sorry about this. You give
him a hug and you try to make out with
them to make them feel better.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Double win for you.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Come on chess, not checkers.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
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Speaker 1 (13:16):
We're joined by Ali Beth Stuckey. Notebook Toxic Empathy. How
progressives exploit Christian compassion all grit to have you back
on the show.
Speaker 11 (13:29):
Yeah, thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I actually can ask you before we get into toxic empathy.
I don't know if you saw I was on Bill Maher.
We talked about toxic masculinity, which is also just known
to democrats as masculinity. Seems to me like hating men
might have electoral consequences. What do you think, Oh, you
know what?
Speaker 12 (13:48):
I think the tide is turning on that book. I mean,
you saw that amazing ad where they had those six
or five really macho guys that were complete manly men,
totally organic support of Kamala Harris there.
Speaker 11 (14:03):
I'm sure that probably even made you question.
Speaker 12 (14:06):
Whether or not you were going to vote for Donald
Trump just based on their manly man at alone.
Speaker 11 (14:12):
And so I don't know.
Speaker 12 (14:13):
I think Democrats have basically nailed this whole masculinity thing
based on what I'm seeing from Kamala.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, well, when they said that they had that one
guy who said I eat carburetors for breakfast, I was like,
no guy who has ever even opened the hood of
a car ever in his life says I eat carburetors
for breakfast.
Speaker 11 (14:32):
Yeah, you know, I'm a woman.
Speaker 12 (14:33):
I won't even pretend to know what that means. But
I don't think it's something you're supposed to digest.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
I'm pretty gather that that's pretty it's pretty fair toxic empathy.
Let's dive into this actually, because I think you see
this a lot with the way the Democrat campaign is
going right now. I mean, you talk about in the
book there's five primary lies, and you have them listened
as lies. Abortion is healthcare is one of the centerpieces
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of Kamala's campaign, but also really at the Democrat Party overall,
there are some of us ally who worry that if
Kamala is able to squeak across the finish line. Is
it just because of this issue and its resonance? What
do you make of it?
Speaker 10 (15:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (15:15):
You know, people say that this is such an unpopular
issue for Republicans, that being pro life is an unpopular position,
But it's really that the lies that are constructed by
the pro abortion side, the billion dollar lobby that they
have over there, those might be popular, but the truth
about what abortion is is not actually popular, which is
(15:35):
exactly why Kamala Harris's campaign and the Democrats actually rely
on euphemisms, They rely on deceit to push their point
across and to take this across the finish line. That's
why they're conflating miscarriages, which is a tragic incident that happens,
you know, not by the fault of anyone, an abortion,
which is the purposeful killing of a child. They're trying
(15:57):
to tell you that voting for Kamala is going to
protect miscarriage care. They're trying to say that this is
saving the lives of women by supporting Kamala Harris. They're
not actually saying, hey, abortion is great, here is how
it works.
Speaker 11 (16:12):
This is what you should vote for.
Speaker 12 (16:14):
Because they understand that the barberism that is abortion is
actually very unpopular, so they have to lie and use
this toxic empathy to manipulate people.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
It also bothers me, Alex, because I think that there's
a general trend among Democrats and this is something that
I think that Trump right has recognized and effectively refuses
to play the game by these rules where they try
to use your decency, your sense of kindness, and your
sense of getting along with your fellow Americans as a
(16:45):
weapon against you. I know that's something you get into
in toxic empathy.
Speaker 11 (16:49):
Oh yeah, that's the perfect way to say it.
Speaker 12 (16:51):
Because most of us, especially those of us who are Christians,
we have not only a natural but a spiritual inclination
and towards helping those who need help and lifting others up.
And we're naturally compassionate, especially women. We're natural nurtures. That
empathy muscle is really strong and that can be used
in a really good way. The problem is when it's
(17:14):
exploited for toxic or harmful means, and how toxic empathy
is employed. They take your natural compassion towards someone that
they hoist up as a victim. Say it's an illegal immigrant,
say it's a poor woman who is pregnant, and they
take you through this heartrending story and by they, I
mean the left wing media, and they lead you to
(17:35):
the conclusion that the only righteous, compassionate, and moral position
to take is the progressive one. So if you really
love women, then you will support her choice to have
an abortion. If you really love the immigrant and the
sojourner and the foreigner, then you.
Speaker 11 (17:51):
Will open up the border.
Speaker 12 (17:53):
And it goes like that on every issue, whether it's
criminal justice or whether it's the transgender issue.
Speaker 11 (18:00):
They pull at your heart strings and make you think
that the.
Speaker 12 (18:02):
Only righteous position to take is theirs, and unfortunately that
dupes a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Well, I think we've seen that progression ali, particularly on
the trans rights issue, which has moved very, you know,
very aggressively in recent years, including under the bidenministration. Right
Biden's supposed to be the old school blue dog Democrat or whatever.
Biden Whitehouse was putting out stuff about gender transition for
teenagers and how this is medical care and all this.
(18:27):
But if you go back and look at that progression,
it starts out with just what's the big deal, Just
use the preferred pronunce. Don't be a jerk, use the
preferred pronounce what's the big deal? Don't be a jerk.
Let the guy who says he's a girl use the
locker room. What's it to you if somebody who's actually
a guy, you know, competes on the girls sports team, right?
I mean, at every stage, it's you don't want to
(18:48):
make this person feel bad, you don't want to be unkind,
and then it turns into federal policy.
Speaker 11 (18:55):
Exactly.
Speaker 12 (18:55):
It always starts out with, well, how does this hurt you?
And I know this is controversial to say, even among
some conservative audiences, but it goes back further than the pronouns.
Speaker 11 (19:05):
It goes back to a Bergefell.
Speaker 12 (19:06):
It goes back to redefining marriage because love is love
is the same math as trans women are women. It's
the same kind of circular mantra that goes into the
idea that men and women are interchangeable, that there's nothing
special about male and female husband and wife, mom and dad.
These are just social constructs that we can exchange, interchange
(19:28):
as we see fit. And that's how we got this
idea that a man can become a woman and vice versa.
Speaker 11 (19:33):
But You're absolutely right.
Speaker 12 (19:35):
It capitalizes on our desire to not be seen as bad,
to not be seen as rude, to not be seen
as a Karen, to be tolerant, to be loving, And
then once they've gotten in with that kind of emotional manipulation,
they can go a little bit further, in a little
bit further until you're saying, well, the empathetic and loving
and righteous thing to do is to subsidize child sex changes.
(19:59):
And unfortunate, that's where we are. But hopefully we can
call our way back with some good old fashioned truth.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Well, that's what I want to ask you. What is
the I know you're you're laying out and dissecting some
of the big lies that manipulate And I really feels
something demonic about manipulating people's goodness as a means of
getting bad things to happen, right, I mean that it
seems very I don't know, luciferian, But how do you
(20:26):
try to fortify people for the fight ahead on issues
like this and and how do you deal with that?
I'm a good person. I want to be a good person,
but that doesn't mean just going along with with whatever
moral blackmail the left is offering.
Speaker 12 (20:43):
Yeah, so I wanted to make the argument not that hey, empathetic,
empathy might seem tempting, but don't be empathetic. And sure,
being progressive is compassionate, but don't be compassionate.
Speaker 11 (20:55):
That's not the route that I take in the book.
Speaker 12 (20:58):
I actually give a lot of credit to the heartstring
pulling strategy that the last very often employees to get
people to vote for them. But then I look at
the other side of the story. So I tell a
story from their perspective of an illegal alien who fled
here from Mexico with her children got deported. Obviously, the
Washington Post when they told that story they wanted us
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to be against deportation. But then I tell an equally
heartrending story of Kate Steinley, who, of course was shot
in the back by an illegal alien in San Francisco
thirty two years old, died in her dad's arm, saying
help me, daddy.
Speaker 11 (21:33):
That was a preventable murder.
Speaker 12 (21:35):
She should be alive today, she should be a mother, married, thriving,
but she's not because of the intentional and deliberate open
border policies that we have. So there are people on
both sides of every issue that should get our empathy
and compassion. But then we have to ask ourselves what
is true and what is right, What is true and
right morally, what is true and right logically, scientifically, but
(21:57):
also as a Christian, what is true and right biblically,
And that should be our guide in policy making, not
how we feel.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Ali Beth stucky everybody. She has this great book, Toxic
Empathy How Progressives exploit Christian compassions. You can see right here.
I've got my copy. I'm actually getting on a flight.
I'm gonna read it. Ali, thank you so much, great
to have you
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