April 27, 2025 • 24 mins
Clay experiences the future and gets called an “Unc.” Cobbler vs. Pie.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
I was in San Francisco over the weekend. I was
looking at colleges before we went to Colorado.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Did you get past all the I know where you
want to go this, but did you did you see
any of the uh, you know, things on the street
that are kind of looking rough or to you just
avoid all that entirely?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We did not actually get out in the midst of
the crazy homeless population.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Okay, so you didn't wander the tender loin at night
to see what was going on over there? I got you.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
No, we drove through it, primarily on Mission Street, which
has just been taken over by vagrants and the homeless.
But the parts of San Francisco by and large that
we were in, we were in Palo Alto, we were
actually the Bay area very nice. But I'm going to
give something that to me, I felt like I experienced
the future.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Some of you may have done this.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I believe it's available in Phoenix, Los Angeles and San
Francisco right now it's about to come to Miami. Buck Waimo,
which is Google's autonomous vehicle. My son and I because
he saw it. He was so excited to try it.
My oldest son and we downloaded the Waimo app. I'm
not getting paid for this, by the way. Google certainly
(01:28):
is not spending money on this show, So just FYI.
We got into a vehicle without a driver, and I
don't know how many of you have done this, but
you get it, just like you would get an Uber
or a Lyft, a Jaguar car pulls up on the curb.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
No driver.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
We got in my son wanted to go out for
pizza on I think it was Monday night in San Francisco.
Takes us right to the pizza place, over to the curb,
drops us off. We then went and got some ice
cream at Jardelli Square. Some of you probably been there before.
Get picked up by a way mo Buck. I believe
(02:11):
this is going to be a crazy prediction that can
be flagged. I think within a decade at least half
of all driving in the United States will be occurring
without someone using the steering wheel. I think it will
become very common for AI driven vehicles to take over
(02:32):
much of the country. I was blown away by how
efficient it was. I had zero fear. In fact, I
felt like this driver, meaning the AI, was better than
the average uber driver we would have had. There was
one moment where like a teenage twenty something girl cut
across right in front of us to go chase her boyfriend,
and I thought to myself, oh my, if that was
(02:54):
an human driver, I think it may have hit her.
This thing since it paused, slammed on the brakes, and
even though she was in the wrong as a human,
as most errors with driving or pedestrians are, it avoided her.
And I think a lot of humans would have hit her. Yes,
(03:14):
I've seen this in LA. I didn't take one. I
haven't done it yet, but I saw one driving down.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
The street it. Oh yeah, I would. I would totally
do it. So you and I are a little bit
unusual in this regard. I talked to it, so I have.
And I don't know if this is Maybe it's like
a genetic thing amongst some guys where they you either
are into cars, like you love cars in car culture,
or you just view it as a conveyance like, you know,
(03:40):
if I'm a passenger on a plane, I just care
about the plane getting me where I need to go.
I'm not like, oh, are we gonna do some barrel
rolls like that would be a bad idea on a
big plane. But and I feel that you and I
are alike in this regard to cars. I have a
brother who love My older brother loves cars. I mean,
he goes, he goes to the racetrack, he tracks cars,
he you know, he does you know, lessons with former
(04:03):
like retired NASCAR guys and what he loves, driving, racing,
everything about and for that. And I think there's a
fair amount of people in our audience, Clay who probably
fit into that category. And for them, they're gonna they're
gonna want their old school gas normal car for as
long as they're never gonna change. And then a lot
of the rest of us are gonna be like, oh,
just you know, drive me around with my autonomous vehicle,
(04:26):
you know, so we'll see. It's gonna break down that way,
I think pretty quickly. My brother in law designed cars
for Ford for over twenty years. My wife is from
the Detroit area, so obviously they are a super automotive family.
Her father in law, who was with us in Colorado,
is still a great skier nearly eighty years old.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
As soon as I did this, I posted the video.
By the way, you can scroll down at Clay Travis.
We'll put it up at Clay and Buck if you
are interested in what the experience was like. I felt
like I was in the future and Buck. Historically, I'm
not one of those people who like every new tech
that comes out, they're like, oh, this is going to
change everything, because I'm not that tech savvy. In fact,
(05:07):
my kids have started to insult me. Some of you
may have experienced this by calling me an unk, meaning
like if you're I've never even heard this.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I learned this term today from Clay. I don't know
if any of you haven't called this one before.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
But it's like kind of connected with old uncle, I think.
But basically, like you were over the age of thirty
five and you don't really know how to do anything tech.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
You're an unk in their world. So I am an unk.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
But there are there are two things that I've experienced
in my life technologically Buck, where when I experienced them,
I was like, oh, this is going to be big
the first was the Internet. I remember, like I was
like a sophomore in high school, one of my friends
had that AOL disc that you put in that allowed
you to get on the Internet. I remember the very
(05:53):
first time I went on the Internet, and I remember thinking, oh,
this thing's going to be kind of a big deal.
And I was probably, I don't know, fourteen, fifteen years
old whatever I was at that time. The other one,
and this was somewhat more recent. I remember the first
time I saw a flat screen HD television. It was
at my brother in law's house, and as a sports fan,
I remember watching golf and I remember thinking, this changes everything.
(06:17):
And then people said, well, you're gonna have to try
virtual reality. Didn't buy it. You're gonna have to try
three D didn't buy it. But I remember seeing HD
and saying I have to get a flat screen television
to have HD. It's the first thing since HD. Buck,
this WAYMO autonomous driving vehicle that I have thought everybody
is going to end up doing this.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
And I'm not.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Saying you have to, but I think in the future
here's a big prediction.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I think instead of owning individual cars, a lot of
us and I would put myself in this category, are
just going to pay a fee to have a sponsorship
or a you know, like a subscription I guess to
a autonomous vehicle company, you will constantly get picked up.
You will pay a set fee all year or every month,
(07:05):
and you will replace your insurance for your car. The
cost of a car and also will change fundamentally over
the next generation. I think the way we build cities
because so much of our cities are taken up by
parking places, and if we didn't have to have individual vehicles,
I think the number is buck. The average car has
(07:28):
needs four spots. You know, you need to go if
you go to Costco, you need to have a spot,
If you go to the movie theater, you need to
have a spot. And certainly at your home or your
apartment or whatever else. I think it's going to fundamentally
change the way that cities are organized over the next generation.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
But what I was getting at by bringing up my
brother who loves who just loves cars. I mean, he's
a car guy. He can you know, he'll see somebody
that has a certain model of BMW that's twenty years
old that'll kind of get excited and start talking about
like how it has to. He still drives stick by
the way, he's one of those. He still drives a
stick shift car, which is I mean to me, Oh,
(08:08):
oh yeah, he's But that's what I mean. He's an enthusiast.
I mean he's a Yeah, some of you know exactly
what I'm talking about. You have someone like this in
your family or you're that guy. He's a true enthusiast.
He you know, he always But I think that they'll
be there'll be a resistance to this because people like
the autonomy. You know, we talk about autonomous vehicles driving themselves.
They like the autonomy of being able to drive themselves
(08:31):
and have their own car. There's a freedom and independence
mindset and really an American mindset that goes with this
that I think is gonna I I agree with you
said you think are that way because my brother in
law loves to drive a car. If you told me,
Buck Clay, you never have to drive a car again,
I wouldn't matter. I wouldn't care. And I wonder how
(08:52):
many of the audience like this. My older brother Mason,
if you told him that he could fall asleep in
some futuristic test the like car get everywhere in perfect safety,
you know, very quickly while getting the car to give
him a foot rub. Yeah, he would still say, I
want to be in my car with my stick shift,
you know, changing gears and reving that motor like he
(09:15):
just that's just he's one of I don't know how
widespread this is, but I think it's I think there
are a lot of guys out there that like driving themselves. Truly.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I think, I would say maybe historically in the future,
I think there'll be twenty or twenty five percent of
people who still want to drive.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I'll tell you this.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I would prefer being able to get into a way mo,
sit in the back and work if I've got to
drive somewhere for thirty minutes, instead of being inefficient. It's
also safer instead of looking down at your phone or
trying to text. And Tesla's I know a lot of
you are driving Tesla's already, and certainly Elon and Tesla
has been the autonomous driving. The AI in Tesla, I
(09:53):
am told, is incredible. I don't own one. Have you
experienced it. I have buddies who are just like I
just put my hand barely on the wheel and just
let it.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yes, it's I've been in I've been in the Tesla
where the autonomous driving has happened, and it's incredible. A
lot of it is you know that they make you
keep your hands I think on the wheel even or yeah,
that's right, keep your hands on the wheel even when
it's driving for you, which is unnecessary, but it makes
some people feel better. I'll just tell you this, uh Clay,
(10:20):
the technology stuff AI. People think of it right now
as like a glorified chat pot a little bit, I think,
but when you start to see I have a friend
who put his blood work into AI and it was
astonishingly detailed and accurate in terms of medical diagnosis things.
To consider all these different things. The the AI technology
(10:42):
that can take Now you can say, give me a
monologue in the voice of which is a little scary
for us radios, but.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
You can get contracts done before.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
We get Yeah. I was like, we know they can
never replace the human factor of content creator. Uh. They
these these technologies are truly by the time everyone realizes
how powerful they are, they'll become so mainstream and powerful
that anybody will believe and anybody will be shocked to
think that it wasn't clear what they were all becoming,
and I think autonomous driving is one of them. But
(11:14):
there's the other part. I didn't even get to this yet,
and we kind of are running up against the clock here.
But I would just say, a lot of people drive
for a living, and this is a huge problem because
a lot of very good people. It's a lot of men,
by the way, it's guys. Mostly guys are the ones
who drive for a living. And we know we love
our truckers to listen to this show. Look, I don't
(11:35):
think they're going to be replacing truckers with autonomous truckers
for at least you know, I don't know five or
ten years before it really becomes a thing that's bigger.
But I think in ten years it's going to be
more of a conversation, and it might be sooner than that.
And you know, we got to think about where these
people are going to be gainfully, you know, as a society,
so you know, there's there's some cost to all this
(11:56):
as well.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
That was one of the median things. I thought, well,
how is this going to change? Because remember, Uber, I
think is really thinking, Hey, the play down the road
that makes us super profitable is we don't actually need drivers.
Like the idea that you have an Uber driver or
a Lyft driver is just kind of a holding pattern.
And you know, just like Uber and Lyft to a
(12:18):
large extent, replaced taxis. I think a lot of Uber
Lyft drivers are gonna get replaced by these autonomous vehicles.
And I don't know where it's going to go, but
I tell you I felt Buck. It was like being
in the Matrix. You can sit and watch and see
what the AI sees on a little screen right in
front of you, and it reminded me of like Keanu
Reeves and the Matrix where you can see everything moving around.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Sunday hang with Clay and Buck Reja listening on k
kfy I radio with a talkback play it. I love
pickles on my burgers.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
What's the matter with you?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Well, well, rita, different strokes for different folks, you know.
I think that pickle are one of those things that
should be left off burgers unless you opt. In some places,
they just put the pickles on the burgers. And I
don't want some weird vegetable that's thrown a little slimy
vegetable thrown on top of my delicious burger. Clay, oh,
(13:15):
pickles are amazing.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I think it's the perfect condiment to kind of just
set off the Chick fil a sandwich. I think you're
a communist if you take the pickle off the Chick
fil a sandwich or the hamburger.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I was it Rita who called in. I'm with her.
She's a stute woman who understands great cuisine. VIP email
from Graham. I could be Buck's long lost brother. One.
I hate noise and people who make noise. Well done,
sir two. I understand that pickles on burgers are the
devil's work. See Clay, there's sanity out there.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
It's a poor decision, poor hill for you to die on.
Big pickles coming from that's dangerous.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
That's dangerous. Pray big one coming for.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
You can mean a lot of different things depending on
where you are. We are absolutely over loaded with pickle.
Pickle takes, pickles and chickens. Pickles and chickens. We've covered
a saying that we talked about the Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
We talked about all sorts of economy, we talked about,
you know, the important things. It's all about pickles and chickens.
On the talkbacks.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
That is true and Uh, let's listen to Junior up
in New York City. He has an idea for Buck
hi Clay.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
This is a junior from Long Island. Fuck, don't eat
pickles on his burgers. He's eating pistachio cobbler garbage.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Please take away another one of his man cards for
the day.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I don't think he deserves one.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
On your hometown of New York, Junior, off the top
rope on you, Buck pro He's right.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Juniors from Long Island, to be clear, which is almost
like its own state. But yes, it is nearby to
New York. And I would just say this, Junior, it
was pistachio crem broulet, not cobbler Cobblers for peasants.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
How dare you?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
How did you? Cobbler cobbler is a magic Who doesn't
I'm just saying. I'm just saying, hold on, you.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Don't like fruit plus sugar plus delectable baked bread.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Oh my god, I think I'm
just cobbler Universe.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Better light up Buck Sexton right now, because every now
and then I remember this. This was early days of twitter, Uh,
before I really understood how it worked. This is like
two thousand and eight or whatever, I had a Twitter
account and I was like, man, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I really love cobbler, Like I like all types of cobbler.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And when I tweet, I think I was like eating
and I put a picture up or something, and people
came after me like.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I was the anti crime. I was like, who is
anti cobbler?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
By the way, BlackBerry cobbler the best cobbler on the planet,
rarely offered, but when it is the best of all cobblers.
And that was kind of my welcome to social media moment,
where it doesn't matter what a pinch you have, there's
somebody out there that is outraged that you could have
that opinion that will immediately react.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
But is cobbler not just a poor man's pie? Am
I missing something? Isn't that? Isn't that just isn't cobbler
poor man's pie? What's the difference?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Well, now you've kind of blown my mind because I
never have thought about what the difference is between a
cobbler and a pie. I mean, I kind of think
of apple pie and apple cobbler is basically the same thing,
except a pie is circular and a cobbler tends to
be rectangular in my experience.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
So now my mind.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Actually you've thrown me for a loop here because I've
never really thought I think the cobbler has a thicker
bread based than the typical pie, which is why it's better.
That would be my on the fly distinction. I don't cook,
as everyone knows, I've never baked anything in my life.
If it can't be put in a microwave, I don't
know how to make it. So I'm clearly not the
(16:57):
sterling knowledgeable person here. Cobble will Nott have a crust? Yeah,
but I don't even think I mean that seems like
it not the right description?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Is then pie for peasants? Am I am? I really
off on this one. I'm just throwing it out there,
you know.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Well.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
The crust I mean is I think oftentimes very overrated
on the pie might have just come after people in
an aggressive way here.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Big Pie is coming after Clay with that one. That
is how dare The crust is really where the expertise
comes in.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
One confession, I was afraid that I might be photographed
in the midst of this. In Steamboat Springs, I took
the kids into an ice cream shop. Buck there are
a bunch of dads there from Dallas that listen to
the show. So shout out dads from Dallas if they
hear this in Steamboat Springs. My kids didn't want to
get ice cream. I then violated my rule on some level.
(17:50):
I was a man eating an ice cream cone. Nobody
else was eating ice cream. Now, I think as an exception.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
For alone, though, your whole thing was you're not a
man alone getting your kids. And my kids got like candy, right,
they got like Reese's pieces, Reese's peanut buttercups, like that
was their choice. If there were a photo, I don't
want AI suggesting that I was eating ice cream by myself.
I just don't want that out there. What would be
what would be worse for you to get caught in
a photo eating like standing alone in the line at
(18:19):
the dairy Queen with like a mix like chocolate vanilla swirl,
or or walking through the airport with a mask.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
On a mask by far right, I mean, people would
think that I was pranking them. I think if I
had a mask on, what if I wore the mask
on Air Force one in the media section, like.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Actually think I think he might kick you off the plane.
I think he might be like off the plane, mask man,
off the plane.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
What if I just sat down with the media with
a mask on and said, I really wish you guys
would take the virus more seriously, They're gonna hate me
in the media anyway, me wearing a mask. The banding
that they wear masks on the airplane would be now
I have a mask on.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I kind of want you to do this in videotape.
It like go up to the AP reporters like, oh,
I'm sorry, we don't wear masks anymore. Here to do
this Sundays with Clay and Buck Clay. We have a
call that we speaking of sending people. We need to
take this call. Canon Michigan. Canon Michigan is a retired
(19:26):
baker who wants to weigh in on cobbler gate.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, someone that was working in bakeries for my career,
someone that did go to culinary school. It was just
the general opinion that cobblers were made by people who
couldn't bake. They lacked the skill to make a really
good pie crust, and so they ended up making the cobblers.
(19:54):
And that was boo. That was just the general opinion
of this and the teachers that I hung out with,
and Ken, Ken, you.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Are clearly an artisan and a great American and a
great baker. Thank you, Sir Clay, who is fielding calls here,
Ken is a blasphemer. I don't remember the last time
we had a worst call in the history of the
show than Ken off the top rope on cobbler. Makers
can't actually cook. That's a no. Can't make pie, he said,
(20:26):
they can't make pie crust. Come on, I'm just.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Look, cobbler is superior to the pie. I'm not anti
your apple pies. Nobody loves apple pies and American flags
more than me, but cobbler is far better. Apple cobbler
better than apple pie. I'll go to my grave on this.
It appears that I'm going to have to divorce Laura
(20:50):
Travis because when I just went downstairs, she said, and
I quote, I think Buck's right as well as that caller.
Cobbler is probably just to poor man's pie. And you think,
you know someone been married years amazing, And I go
downstairs just to try to get my NCAA tournament bracket.
(21:12):
I'm just sitting there filling it out, minding my own business.
Laura Travis walks in to the kitchen and says that
Cobbler's a poor man's pie. So again, it's gonna be sad. Divorce,
I'm told is awful, but sometimes you have to stand
up for things like pie.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I just got to tell you, the foundation of a
great relationship is speaking the truth when your partner needs
to hear it, even if it stings a little sometimes.
So Lara is just doing you a favor on this
Cobbler issue, and I'm glad that everyone else out there
knows the truth, which is that Cobbler is just poor
man's pie. That's okay, that's so. That's that doesn't mean
(21:47):
it doesn't taste good. I'm not saying it doesn't taste good.
It's just we got to have this is not nom
There are rules, you know, We've got to have a
ranking of things.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I'm going to continue to fight for Cobbler to the
end of my existence, and all of the calumnies, all
of the outrageous assaults in Shakespeare in terms, the slings
and arrows of derision, will not stand. And I am
going to continue to fight the good fight. And I'm
filling out my NCUBA tournament bracket by the way as
we are simultaneously continuing it.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Have you scoped out my bracket at all? Like, are
you feeling I didn't want it to be fair. I
didn't want to be influenced.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
And see, Oh, but choices BUCK made I can score
by going opposite directions. I am one hundred percent only
making choices based on looking at this.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I just wanted to know and get you on the
record now if you are wildly over confident based upon
my bracket. I wanted us to get that out right now,
so that if by some miracle I actually win this thing,
we will get we will get to make even more
fun of you at the end of this project. Well
that's what I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I think the great thing about the bracket. As again,
the NCAA Tournament tips off tomorrow, and I am going
to apologize for myself in advance because I will probably
screw up a ton of things because I will be
doing this show and simultaneously watching college basketball on both
Thursday and Friday, so.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I will not so I will keep us on the tracks.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Don't worry about So if I'm totally blowing it even
more so than normal tomorrow, it's going to because I'm
trying to keep my eyes on this. The great thing
about the NCAA Tournament is, and many of you out
there who are part of bracket challenges will be able
to attest to this is very often the people who
win these bracket challenges are not in any way actually
(23:30):
paying attention to college basketball at all on a regular basis,
which is what makes it in some ways even more
fun because there isn't necessarily a high correlation between college
basketball experts who are going to post. I mean, legitimately
all they do is cover college basketball for ESPN or
Fox or CBS or NBC or whoever it is sports
(23:52):
companies out there. You can beat them without having spent
hardly any time at all on it. So I do
think that that is really pretty incredible. And one of
the fun things about the bracket challenge in general is.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Clay hedging a little bit. Here is this a little hedging?
I notice on the frack? Have you picked the team
the team that you think is good?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I know? And you're your your wife, who I hope
has the good enough sense to like Cobbler more than
pie because she was raised in the South. Uh, have
you asked, Carrie? We may have a real UH split
opinion here in couples
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
I was in San Francisco over the weekend. I was
looking at colleges before we went to Colorado.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Did you get past all the I know where you
want to go this, but did you did you see
any of the uh, you know, things on the street
that are kind of looking rough or to you just
avoid all that entirely?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We did not actually get out in the midst of
the crazy homeless population.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Okay, so you didn't wander the tender loin at night
to see what was going on over there? I got you.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
No, we drove through it, primarily on Mission Street, which
has just been taken over by vagrants and the homeless.
But the parts of San Francisco by and large that
we were in, we were in Palo Alto, we were
actually the Bay area very nice. But I'm going to
give something that to me, I felt like I experienced
the future.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Some of you may have done this.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I believe it's available in Phoenix, Los Angeles and San
Francisco right now it's about to come to Miami. Buck Waimo,
which is Google's autonomous vehicle. My son and I because
he saw it. He was so excited to try it.
My oldest son and we downloaded the Waimo app. I'm
not getting paid for this, by the way. Google certainly
(01:28):
is not spending money on this show, So just FYI.
We got into a vehicle without a driver, and I
don't know how many of you have done this, but
you get it, just like you would get an Uber
or a Lyft, a Jaguar car pulls up on the curb.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
No driver.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
We got in my son wanted to go out for
pizza on I think it was Monday night in San Francisco.
Takes us right to the pizza place, over to the curb,
drops us off. We then went and got some ice
cream at Jardelli Square. Some of you probably been there before.
Get picked up by a way mo Buck. I believe
(02:11):
this is going to be a crazy prediction that can
be flagged. I think within a decade at least half
of all driving in the United States will be occurring
without someone using the steering wheel. I think it will
become very common for AI driven vehicles to take over
(02:32):
much of the country. I was blown away by how
efficient it was. I had zero fear. In fact, I
felt like this driver, meaning the AI, was better than
the average uber driver we would have had. There was
one moment where like a teenage twenty something girl cut
across right in front of us to go chase her boyfriend,
and I thought to myself, oh my, if that was
(02:54):
an human driver, I think it may have hit her.
This thing since it paused, slammed on the brakes, and
even though she was in the wrong as a human,
as most errors with driving or pedestrians are, it avoided her.
And I think a lot of humans would have hit her. Yes,
(03:14):
I've seen this in LA. I didn't take one. I
haven't done it yet, but I saw one driving down.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
The street it. Oh yeah, I would. I would totally
do it. So you and I are a little bit
unusual in this regard. I talked to it, so I have.
And I don't know if this is Maybe it's like
a genetic thing amongst some guys where they you either
are into cars, like you love cars in car culture,
or you just view it as a conveyance like, you know,
(03:40):
if I'm a passenger on a plane, I just care
about the plane getting me where I need to go.
I'm not like, oh, are we gonna do some barrel
rolls like that would be a bad idea on a
big plane. But and I feel that you and I
are alike in this regard to cars. I have a
brother who love My older brother loves cars. I mean,
he goes, he goes to the racetrack, he tracks cars,
he you know, he does you know, lessons with former
(04:03):
like retired NASCAR guys and what he loves, driving, racing,
everything about and for that. And I think there's a
fair amount of people in our audience, Clay who probably
fit into that category. And for them, they're gonna they're
gonna want their old school gas normal car for as
long as they're never gonna change. And then a lot
of the rest of us are gonna be like, oh,
just you know, drive me around with my autonomous vehicle,
(04:26):
you know, so we'll see. It's gonna break down that way,
I think pretty quickly. My brother in law designed cars
for Ford for over twenty years. My wife is from
the Detroit area, so obviously they are a super automotive family.
Her father in law, who was with us in Colorado,
is still a great skier nearly eighty years old.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
As soon as I did this, I posted the video.
By the way, you can scroll down at Clay Travis.
We'll put it up at Clay and Buck if you
are interested in what the experience was like. I felt
like I was in the future and Buck. Historically, I'm
not one of those people who like every new tech
that comes out, they're like, oh, this is going to
change everything, because I'm not that tech savvy. In fact,
(05:07):
my kids have started to insult me. Some of you
may have experienced this by calling me an unk, meaning
like if you're I've never even heard this.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I learned this term today from Clay. I don't know
if any of you haven't called this one before.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
But it's like kind of connected with old uncle, I think.
But basically, like you were over the age of thirty
five and you don't really know how to do anything tech.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
You're an unk in their world. So I am an unk.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
But there are there are two things that I've experienced
in my life technologically Buck, where when I experienced them,
I was like, oh, this is going to be big
the first was the Internet. I remember, like I was
like a sophomore in high school, one of my friends
had that AOL disc that you put in that allowed
you to get on the Internet. I remember the very
(05:53):
first time I went on the Internet, and I remember thinking, oh,
this thing's going to be kind of a big deal.
And I was probably, I don't know, fourteen, fifteen years
old whatever I was at that time. The other one,
and this was somewhat more recent. I remember the first
time I saw a flat screen HD television. It was
at my brother in law's house, and as a sports fan,
I remember watching golf and I remember thinking, this changes everything.
(06:17):
And then people said, well, you're gonna have to try
virtual reality. Didn't buy it. You're gonna have to try
three D didn't buy it. But I remember seeing HD
and saying I have to get a flat screen television
to have HD. It's the first thing since HD. Buck,
this WAYMO autonomous driving vehicle that I have thought everybody
is going to end up doing this.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
And I'm not.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Saying you have to, but I think in the future
here's a big prediction.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I think instead of owning individual cars, a lot of
us and I would put myself in this category, are
just going to pay a fee to have a sponsorship
or a you know, like a subscription I guess to
a autonomous vehicle company, you will constantly get picked up.
You will pay a set fee all year or every month,
(07:05):
and you will replace your insurance for your car. The
cost of a car and also will change fundamentally over
the next generation. I think the way we build cities
because so much of our cities are taken up by
parking places, and if we didn't have to have individual vehicles,
I think the number is buck. The average car has
(07:28):
needs four spots. You know, you need to go if
you go to Costco, you need to have a spot,
If you go to the movie theater, you need to
have a spot. And certainly at your home or your
apartment or whatever else. I think it's going to fundamentally
change the way that cities are organized over the next generation.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
But what I was getting at by bringing up my
brother who loves who just loves cars. I mean, he's
a car guy. He can you know, he'll see somebody
that has a certain model of BMW that's twenty years
old that'll kind of get excited and start talking about
like how it has to. He still drives stick by
the way, he's one of those. He still drives a
stick shift car, which is I mean to me, Oh,
(08:08):
oh yeah, he's But that's what I mean. He's an enthusiast.
I mean he's a Yeah, some of you know exactly
what I'm talking about. You have someone like this in
your family or you're that guy. He's a true enthusiast.
He you know, he always But I think that they'll
be there'll be a resistance to this because people like
the autonomy. You know, we talk about autonomous vehicles driving themselves.
They like the autonomy of being able to drive themselves
(08:31):
and have their own car. There's a freedom and independence
mindset and really an American mindset that goes with this
that I think is gonna I I agree with you
said you think are that way because my brother in
law loves to drive a car. If you told me,
Buck Clay, you never have to drive a car again,
I wouldn't matter. I wouldn't care. And I wonder how
(08:52):
many of the audience like this. My older brother Mason,
if you told him that he could fall asleep in
some futuristic test the like car get everywhere in perfect safety,
you know, very quickly while getting the car to give
him a foot rub. Yeah, he would still say, I
want to be in my car with my stick shift,
you know, changing gears and reving that motor like he
(09:15):
just that's just he's one of I don't know how
widespread this is, but I think it's I think there
are a lot of guys out there that like driving themselves. Truly.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I think, I would say maybe historically in the future,
I think there'll be twenty or twenty five percent of
people who still want to drive.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I'll tell you this.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I would prefer being able to get into a way mo,
sit in the back and work if I've got to
drive somewhere for thirty minutes, instead of being inefficient. It's
also safer instead of looking down at your phone or
trying to text. And Tesla's I know a lot of
you are driving Tesla's already, and certainly Elon and Tesla
has been the autonomous driving. The AI in Tesla, I
(09:53):
am told, is incredible. I don't own one. Have you
experienced it. I have buddies who are just like I
just put my hand barely on the wheel and just
let it.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yes, it's I've been in I've been in the Tesla
where the autonomous driving has happened, and it's incredible. A
lot of it is you know that they make you
keep your hands I think on the wheel even or yeah,
that's right, keep your hands on the wheel even when
it's driving for you, which is unnecessary, but it makes
some people feel better. I'll just tell you this, uh Clay,
(10:20):
the technology stuff AI. People think of it right now
as like a glorified chat pot a little bit, I think,
but when you start to see I have a friend
who put his blood work into AI and it was
astonishingly detailed and accurate in terms of medical diagnosis things.
To consider all these different things. The the AI technology
(10:42):
that can take Now you can say, give me a
monologue in the voice of which is a little scary
for us radios, but.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
You can get contracts done before.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
We get Yeah. I was like, we know they can
never replace the human factor of content creator. Uh. They
these these technologies are truly by the time everyone realizes
how powerful they are, they'll become so mainstream and powerful
that anybody will believe and anybody will be shocked to
think that it wasn't clear what they were all becoming,
and I think autonomous driving is one of them. But
(11:14):
there's the other part. I didn't even get to this yet,
and we kind of are running up against the clock here.
But I would just say, a lot of people drive
for a living, and this is a huge problem because
a lot of very good people. It's a lot of men,
by the way, it's guys. Mostly guys are the ones
who drive for a living. And we know we love
our truckers to listen to this show. Look, I don't
(11:35):
think they're going to be replacing truckers with autonomous truckers
for at least you know, I don't know five or
ten years before it really becomes a thing that's bigger.
But I think in ten years it's going to be
more of a conversation, and it might be sooner than that.
And you know, we got to think about where these
people are going to be gainfully, you know, as a society,
so you know, there's there's some cost to all this
(11:56):
as well.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
That was one of the median things. I thought, well,
how is this going to change? Because remember, Uber, I
think is really thinking, Hey, the play down the road
that makes us super profitable is we don't actually need drivers.
Like the idea that you have an Uber driver or
a Lyft driver is just kind of a holding pattern.
And you know, just like Uber and Lyft to a
(12:18):
large extent, replaced taxis. I think a lot of Uber
Lyft drivers are gonna get replaced by these autonomous vehicles.
And I don't know where it's going to go, but
I tell you I felt Buck. It was like being
in the Matrix. You can sit and watch and see
what the AI sees on a little screen right in
front of you, and it reminded me of like Keanu
Reeves and the Matrix where you can see everything moving around.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Sunday hang with Clay and Buck Reja listening on k
kfy I radio with a talkback play it. I love
pickles on my burgers.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
What's the matter with you?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Well, well, rita, different strokes for different folks, you know.
I think that pickle are one of those things that
should be left off burgers unless you opt. In some places,
they just put the pickles on the burgers. And I
don't want some weird vegetable that's thrown a little slimy
vegetable thrown on top of my delicious burger. Clay, oh,
(13:15):
pickles are amazing.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I think it's the perfect condiment to kind of just
set off the Chick fil a sandwich. I think you're
a communist if you take the pickle off the Chick
fil a sandwich or the hamburger.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I was it Rita who called in. I'm with her.
She's a stute woman who understands great cuisine. VIP email
from Graham. I could be Buck's long lost brother. One.
I hate noise and people who make noise. Well done,
sir two. I understand that pickles on burgers are the
devil's work. See Clay, there's sanity out there.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
It's a poor decision, poor hill for you to die on.
Big pickles coming from that's dangerous.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
That's dangerous. Pray big one coming for.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
You can mean a lot of different things depending on
where you are. We are absolutely over loaded with pickle.
Pickle takes, pickles and chickens. Pickles and chickens. We've covered
a saying that we talked about the Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
We talked about all sorts of economy, we talked about,
you know, the important things. It's all about pickles and chickens.
On the talkbacks.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
That is true and Uh, let's listen to Junior up
in New York City. He has an idea for Buck
hi Clay.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
This is a junior from Long Island. Fuck, don't eat
pickles on his burgers. He's eating pistachio cobbler garbage.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Please take away another one of his man cards for
the day.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I don't think he deserves one.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
On your hometown of New York, Junior, off the top
rope on you, Buck pro He's right.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Juniors from Long Island, to be clear, which is almost
like its own state. But yes, it is nearby to
New York. And I would just say this, Junior, it
was pistachio crem broulet, not cobbler Cobblers for peasants.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
How dare you?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
How did you? Cobbler cobbler is a magic Who doesn't
I'm just saying. I'm just saying, hold on, you.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Don't like fruit plus sugar plus delectable baked bread.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Oh my god, I think I'm
just cobbler Universe.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Better light up Buck Sexton right now, because every now
and then I remember this. This was early days of twitter, Uh,
before I really understood how it worked. This is like
two thousand and eight or whatever, I had a Twitter
account and I was like, man, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I really love cobbler, Like I like all types of cobbler.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And when I tweet, I think I was like eating
and I put a picture up or something, and people
came after me like.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I was the anti crime. I was like, who is
anti cobbler?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
By the way, BlackBerry cobbler the best cobbler on the planet,
rarely offered, but when it is the best of all cobblers.
And that was kind of my welcome to social media moment,
where it doesn't matter what a pinch you have, there's
somebody out there that is outraged that you could have
that opinion that will immediately react.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
But is cobbler not just a poor man's pie? Am
I missing something? Isn't that? Isn't that just isn't cobbler
poor man's pie? What's the difference?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Well, now you've kind of blown my mind because I
never have thought about what the difference is between a
cobbler and a pie. I mean, I kind of think
of apple pie and apple cobbler is basically the same thing,
except a pie is circular and a cobbler tends to
be rectangular in my experience.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
So now my mind.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Actually you've thrown me for a loop here because I've
never really thought I think the cobbler has a thicker
bread based than the typical pie, which is why it's better.
That would be my on the fly distinction. I don't cook,
as everyone knows, I've never baked anything in my life.
If it can't be put in a microwave, I don't
know how to make it. So I'm clearly not the
(16:57):
sterling knowledgeable person here. Cobble will Nott have a crust? Yeah,
but I don't even think I mean that seems like
it not the right description?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Is then pie for peasants? Am I am? I really
off on this one. I'm just throwing it out there,
you know.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Well.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
The crust I mean is I think oftentimes very overrated
on the pie might have just come after people in
an aggressive way here.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Big Pie is coming after Clay with that one. That
is how dare The crust is really where the expertise
comes in.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
One confession, I was afraid that I might be photographed
in the midst of this. In Steamboat Springs, I took
the kids into an ice cream shop. Buck there are
a bunch of dads there from Dallas that listen to
the show. So shout out dads from Dallas if they
hear this in Steamboat Springs. My kids didn't want to
get ice cream. I then violated my rule on some level.
(17:50):
I was a man eating an ice cream cone. Nobody
else was eating ice cream. Now, I think as an exception.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
For alone, though, your whole thing was you're not a
man alone getting your kids. And my kids got like candy, right,
they got like Reese's pieces, Reese's peanut buttercups, like that
was their choice. If there were a photo, I don't
want AI suggesting that I was eating ice cream by myself.
I just don't want that out there. What would be
what would be worse for you to get caught in
a photo eating like standing alone in the line at
(18:19):
the dairy Queen with like a mix like chocolate vanilla swirl,
or or walking through the airport with a mask.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
On a mask by far right, I mean, people would
think that I was pranking them. I think if I
had a mask on, what if I wore the mask
on Air Force one in the media section, like.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Actually think I think he might kick you off the plane.
I think he might be like off the plane, mask man,
off the plane.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
What if I just sat down with the media with
a mask on and said, I really wish you guys
would take the virus more seriously, They're gonna hate me
in the media anyway, me wearing a mask. The banding
that they wear masks on the airplane would be now
I have a mask on.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I kind of want you to do this in videotape.
It like go up to the AP reporters like, oh,
I'm sorry, we don't wear masks anymore. Here to do
this Sundays with Clay and Buck Clay. We have a
call that we speaking of sending people. We need to
take this call. Canon Michigan. Canon Michigan is a retired
(19:26):
baker who wants to weigh in on cobbler gate.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, someone that was working in bakeries for my career,
someone that did go to culinary school. It was just
the general opinion that cobblers were made by people who
couldn't bake. They lacked the skill to make a really
good pie crust, and so they ended up making the cobblers.
(19:54):
And that was boo. That was just the general opinion
of this and the teachers that I hung out with,
and Ken, Ken, you.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Are clearly an artisan and a great American and a
great baker. Thank you, Sir Clay, who is fielding calls here,
Ken is a blasphemer. I don't remember the last time
we had a worst call in the history of the
show than Ken off the top rope on cobbler. Makers
can't actually cook. That's a no. Can't make pie, he said,
(20:26):
they can't make pie crust. Come on, I'm just.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Look, cobbler is superior to the pie. I'm not anti
your apple pies. Nobody loves apple pies and American flags
more than me, but cobbler is far better. Apple cobbler
better than apple pie. I'll go to my grave on this.
It appears that I'm going to have to divorce Laura
(20:50):
Travis because when I just went downstairs, she said, and
I quote, I think Buck's right as well as that caller.
Cobbler is probably just to poor man's pie. And you think,
you know someone been married years amazing, And I go
downstairs just to try to get my NCAA tournament bracket.
(21:12):
I'm just sitting there filling it out, minding my own business.
Laura Travis walks in to the kitchen and says that
Cobbler's a poor man's pie. So again, it's gonna be sad. Divorce,
I'm told is awful, but sometimes you have to stand
up for things like pie.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I just got to tell you, the foundation of a
great relationship is speaking the truth when your partner needs
to hear it, even if it stings a little sometimes.
So Lara is just doing you a favor on this
Cobbler issue, and I'm glad that everyone else out there
knows the truth, which is that Cobbler is just poor
man's pie. That's okay, that's so. That's that doesn't mean
(21:47):
it doesn't taste good. I'm not saying it doesn't taste good.
It's just we got to have this is not nom
There are rules, you know, We've got to have a
ranking of things.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I'm going to continue to fight for Cobbler to the
end of my existence, and all of the calumnies, all
of the outrageous assaults in Shakespeare in terms, the slings
and arrows of derision, will not stand. And I am
going to continue to fight the good fight. And I'm
filling out my NCUBA tournament bracket by the way as
we are simultaneously continuing it.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Have you scoped out my bracket at all? Like, are
you feeling I didn't want it to be fair. I
didn't want to be influenced.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
And see, Oh, but choices BUCK made I can score
by going opposite directions. I am one hundred percent only
making choices based on looking at this.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I just wanted to know and get you on the
record now if you are wildly over confident based upon
my bracket. I wanted us to get that out right now,
so that if by some miracle I actually win this thing,
we will get we will get to make even more
fun of you at the end of this project. Well
that's what I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I think the great thing about the bracket. As again,
the NCAA Tournament tips off tomorrow, and I am going
to apologize for myself in advance because I will probably
screw up a ton of things because I will be
doing this show and simultaneously watching college basketball on both
Thursday and Friday, so.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I will not so I will keep us on the tracks.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Don't worry about So if I'm totally blowing it even
more so than normal tomorrow, it's going to because I'm
trying to keep my eyes on this. The great thing
about the NCAA Tournament is, and many of you out
there who are part of bracket challenges will be able
to attest to this is very often the people who
win these bracket challenges are not in any way actually
(23:30):
paying attention to college basketball at all on a regular basis,
which is what makes it in some ways even more
fun because there isn't necessarily a high correlation between college
basketball experts who are going to post. I mean, legitimately
all they do is cover college basketball for ESPN or
Fox or CBS or NBC or whoever it is sports
(23:52):
companies out there. You can beat them without having spent
hardly any time at all on it. So I do
think that that is really pretty incredible. And one of
the fun things about the bracket challenge in general is.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Clay hedging a little bit. Here is this a little hedging?
I notice on the frack? Have you picked the team
the team that you think is good?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I know? And you're your your wife, who I hope
has the good enough sense to like Cobbler more than
pie because she was raised in the South. Uh, have
you asked, Carrie? We may have a real UH split
opinion here in couples
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