May 4, 2025 • 56 mins
Snow White or Snow Woke? Biggest box office bombs in history. Clay’s wife disagrees with him on his Snow White casting take. Tomi Lahren and Ben Domenech weigh in.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:15):
It starts now.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
You will not get into White Lotus right now, because
I don't think that many of you watch it, and
I don't want to argue with Clay about whether it's
worth continue to watch White Lotus. After the most recent episode,
I was pretty horrified. I was gonna say, I'm I
looked at Carrie, I'm like, I don't think I can
do this anymore.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It is clear that I have a darker sensibility when
it comes to television, like I can put up with
more than you or producer Ali can. When it comes
to to down the rabbit hole crazy, I do not
do well with.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
You know, maybe my mind is more like a delicate
flower these days when it comes to my content at entertainment.
I don't like things that are too violent. I don't
like things that are too body.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Perhaps is that the right word. I got them to
chow on his crocket.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I got on the choke on his crocket coffee. Look
at that.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
That was awesome. Almost speak my crocket coffee out everywhere. Body,
were you born in nineteen twenty four?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
You know, I'm just saying sometimes, you know, some of
us are more comfortable, and sometimes there's too many bus
there's too many busts, some glasses in the television shows
of late that you're watching. Yeah, a bunch of a
bunch of ladies out there being a little too little
too frisky on the television for my liking.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
So you know, it's a little too wife. I will
say this, my wife has had to deal with for
the past twenty years. Every time there's an HBO show,
you know, they give a content warning before the show
and It'll say like there's nudity, and I'll be like,
yes because it used to be. I literally pumped my
fists like yes, this is gonna be a good show.
(01:50):
My wife's had to deal with this for twenty years
of late. All of the nudity I see in my
shows is male. I don't know when they flip when
they it's not not any are near is enjoyable? I
will say, used to be almost all nudity was female.
The lastly have you noticed this, like the last three
or four years in quote unquote prestige television. It's always
naked guys now, and a lot of it is not
(02:13):
very enjoyable. So I'm not. In the first fifteen years
of HBO shows, it was like, Okay, probably gonna be
some good look at naked girls in this show. I'm
excited even more now not a lot more nude guys
not as enjoyable for me. So let's talk snow White.
Snow White.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Was at one point the first, I believe, the first
full length animated feature released in theaters back in nineteen
thirty seven. Am I if I get any of these wrong, team,
let me know. It was wildly popular and the you know,
the Disney so much of I think like the the
(02:52):
Disney really had two things going for it for a
long time.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
People love the parks.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Fine another parks have become very expensive now, but people
love the park and they love the animated those those
animated features. I mean, I grew up and we've all
seen I think ninety what do you think ninety five
percent of our listeners have seen the original snow White,
the original cartoon.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I would be if you have, you would be I
don't know how you wouldn't have seen it right.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I mean, and if you didn't see it when you
were a kid, you have kids, you've seen it, right,
so one, and it's really an an iconic It's an
iconic animated film. And I think Disney had a number
of these over the years, you know, Sleeping Beauty. I
actually really liked some of you are gonna laugh, but
I really liked the Robin Hood with Robinhood as a fox.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Do you know what I'm talking about as a cartoon?
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Growing up, Peter Pan your favorite along with Robin. Great animation,
great music, great stories. This is stuff that everyone really celebrates.
It was a really amazing part of American culture.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Let me hit you with the detail that will bring
home how profitable snow White was. And you may have
had I was reading because I wanted to do my
research on this too. Snow White, adjusted for inflation dollars,
basically made the Walt Disney Company.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Disney. Walt Disney mortgaged his own home to be able
to finish producing snow White because it was so expensive
at that point in time to make an animated film.
It made four billion dollars. Okay, let me repeat that,
because with a.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
B four billion dollars in modern American money. So this
thing was so outrageously popular that it basically funded Disneyland
eventually Disney World. This was what put Disney on the
map as a global corporation that was capable of churning
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out incredible content. This was what they created, the animation, studios, everything.
So it is not only beloved buck, it is one
of the greatest, most successful commercial art products in the
history of the United States.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, that puts it into context very well. And I
remember I saw with my parents in the theaters Lion King, Oh, Aladdin,
Beauty and the Beast. Beauty the Beast is a great movie.
It's at any animated. It was actually nominated for Best Picture,
not Best Animated Feature, Best Movie the year that it
came out.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
The music is excellent. Look.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I know some people cartoons aren't their thing, but I
think cartoons out. I actually think cartoons can be really
impressive and amazing if they're done well. I like the
old cartoons, even with bugs bunnies, but put bugs Bunny
put that aside. Clay, this New Disney. If you and
I sat here scripting out a way to ruin Disney
to do a like a farce or as send up
(05:47):
if you will, of wokeness. I don't know if we
could have done better than this.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
They have.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
They have changed. There's a whole listing of all these
things they've changed. They have changed the dwarfs, and this
is okay. I think this is my favorite part of this.
First of all, it made forty million dollars opening weekend,
which is an absolute abject disaster. As we've talked about here,
all the movies money comes in the first month, and
a lot of it needs to come in the first
weekend for momentum. Remember, people haven't seen it. Now people
(06:13):
have seen it, they say it stinks, they say it's trash.
So next week it's going to be worse, and the
weekend after that's gonna be worse. This is gonna cost
Disney hundreds of millions of dollars. Yes one all said
hundreds of millions of dollars of pure loss on this.
But the fud What is your favorite thing about the
change they made that they wouldn't use actual dwarf actors
(06:34):
because Peter Dinklice, who had probably the greatest dwarf role
of all time in Game of Throw and handed a
very good job in it. But I think, you know,
a little too little, too high on his own stuff here,
a little too.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Big, big for his breeches.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Literally, yeah, he decided, he decided that it was weird
and out of date to have actual dwarves play dwarves,
so they replaced them with CGI dwarfs and dwarf actors
out there, and there are dwarf actors out there.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Are were fear and I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
With them, furious about this because this is like the
chance of a lifetime to be in a globally you know,
resonating film as.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
A dwarf actor.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
It's like they this is wokeness just eating itself.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
They could have made a movie that was a ninety
years basically later, a nostalgic recreation of the spirit that
imbued the original Snow White, which made the Disney Corporation possible.
But because they have decided that they need to be
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woke Disney, they created an awful version of a movie
that many people would have loved, of all races and
all backgrounds. And I think this is going to be
saying I think you said it well at the end
of the last hour. I think this is going to
be seen as a cultural signpost of what woke can
(08:04):
do to great Americana, and Disney has to a large
extent destroyed Star Wars by trying to wokeify it as Look,
I don't begrudge any story that is like Lost. Lost
was a great television show back in the day. It
also happened to have a diverse set of characters, but
(08:28):
it fit the story right. It's an airplane that crashes
on an island. It would make sense that the airplane
would be filled with a cross section of American life, right.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, the airplane wasn't coming from Finland. Like, yes, there
could be lots of different kinds of people on the plane.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
So the idea that Snow White needs to be replaced
with a Latina actress, or that Captain America needs to
be replaced with a black actor, or that you need
to somehow decide that you are going to change the
historic relevancy of a show because it doesn't meet modern
day standards of diversity, I think is going up in smoke.
(09:06):
And the example I'll give of this that I think
is actually the worst two of them. Hamilton, all Right,
I I've made it clear that I'm not a huge
fan of musicals. Okay, but I don't like the idea of, hey,
we're gonna make American historical figures different races, because races
are so inconsequential. Okay, When is the country and Western
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version of the Obama administration going to occur with Blake
Shelton playing Barack Obama?
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Right?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
When?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Why is it that in Hamilton the one bad guy
is the only whit white guy the king of Why
can't the King of England be black? What am I missing?
And this Charlie, Well, what's the messaging there? Everybody? You know,
I do look at these things, Well, what's the message
they're telling people with this?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
And then what is the pride and prejudice? Or what's
the Bridgerton I think is the show that's on Netflix
and it's about seventeenth and eighteenth century England, except there
are all these different races that are playing the British actors.
I'm sorry, I can't. I can't even pay attention to
that show because I'm like, well, it's set in seventeen
(10:14):
eighties England. These are white people, right, Like, in the
same way if you told give me a story about
Nigeria in sixteen forty and there's a bunch of white
people playing black people. I mean, like, don't I can't
really get into this story. It's so flagrantly historically inaccurate.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I was trying to watch on that I love historically.
My brothers make fun of me. They always say, if
there's like beard, swords and meat drinking, I like it,
you know, which is pretty much true. Like I like
anything that's you know, historical piece European history. I love Gladiator,
I love Braveheart. I love those kinds of things. And
I tried to watch on Netflix this show, the Viking Show,
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and there's a yarl, which is like an earl or
a prince or whatever in vikings in I guess it
was the ninth you know, ninth century, the eight hundreds.
It's a black woman who's the who's cast as the
head of this vibe, and it's supposed to be like
a historic these are real people's names.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Is she supposed to be black or are you not
supposed to notice that she's black? I think I.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Only watch the first episode. I think you're just not
supposed to notice, Like it's just, oh, like we've made
her a black female, and you made him.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
It was actually a guy obviously who was the year y'arel.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
So you make it a female, and you make it
a black female because you think Clay people are so
sick of this to the point you're making Game of
Thrones another show very diverse. Nobody has a problem with
diverse characters in in whether it's fiction or even fantasy genre.
That's fine. But when you're setting something in a historical context,
you know, you would think that there are some basic
(11:44):
authenticity components of it that you would likely if you're
setting a show in Iceland in you know, the year
one thousand, you're not going to have a lot of Latinos.
You're just not going to have them. Like it's not
a it's not a knock on Latinos. They liked being warm.
They were not in Iceland.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
If we watched a story about the Civil War, my
favorite part in history, and there was a character playing
Frederick Douglass and it was a white woman, I would
be like, you know, this has taken me a little
outside of the story because Frederick Douglas was a black guy, right,
Like some level of historical accuracy for historic fact seems
necessary to me. And this is an example of what
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Disney has done. I think they have taken something that
people loved and decided that they needed to make it
more expansive when everybody already loved it right.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Well, also they and the way we didn't even get
into all the different ways. So first the dwarves of CGI,
which is I also think CGI in general ruins movies.
I think it should be used very sparingly. To me,
it's like drops on a radio show, Like you can
use them here and there, but it can't be you know,
like like if you have you know, you know what
I'm talking about. If you have a radio show that's
(12:51):
all just sound effects all the time, you start to
be like that you know, that Kramer guy on the
with the uh uh you know the Finance show. Whatever's
like hong konk hon konnk. I mean, it's too much.
You gotta be very sparing with your CGI. So that's
what CGI dwors horrible idea. They changed the music. They've
changed the musical numbers from the basically the most successful
on screen musical of all time close to it maybe
(13:13):
maybe like the sound of Music or you know, Gone
with the Wind. But they changed the music, which is
which is madness. And I must just say this, this
woman is playing the Disney Princess.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
She just doesn't look like it. She's just not that pretty.
She doesn't look like a Disney princess.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I don't know, you know, am I am I alone
in this one.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I think if they had put Sidney Sweeney in as
snow White, it would have made a billion dollars. Yes,
I mean, just give me a really pretty white chick
and let her actually play the role of snow White.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I mean the crazy thing. It was a really pretty,
a really pretty chick.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Like.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I just don't think this woman is Disney princess material.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
How about the fact saying Gal Gadot is way better
looking and way more looks like snow White, but she's
the evil princess.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yes, yes, that's a weird decision too, right, she's Disney
princess kind of material. And you you know, if you're
just she was wonderful. Okay, you're allowed to want pretty
people to play the Disney Princess or the Queen or whatever.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
So Sunday hang with Clay and Bucks.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Biggest box office bombs in history Stealth two thousand and
five adjusted for inflation lost one hundred and fifty five
million dollars.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
That was when.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Jessica Biel was really at her at her absolute peak,
and that did not help. She ended up marrying justin Timberlake,
so I guess she did okay, but that did not
help her career. I'm trying to see who else is
on this list of notables. There's a lot of them.
And the thing is, I think all of the movies
that are on the bomb list are are terrible, So
that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
It's not there.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
The Adventures of Pluto Nash two thousand and two, Eddie
Murphy one hundred and sixty eight million dollar loss adjusted
for inflation. That made that's like a top contender for
all time losses. Play Heaven's Gate nineteen eighty I've never
seen that. I don't even know who's I think it's
a Western kind of some kind of like a Western
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on the prairies, pioneer movie or something.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Do you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I've heard
the name of the title, but I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah, there's there's a bunch of these, a lot of
them I've never even really heard of.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I'll tell you one and again I think it's important
to adjust these things for inflation. If you're wondering, it's because.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Dana Jones and the Dial of Destiny one hundred and
fifty million dollar loss.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I didn't know that. I went and saw it. It
was not great. Cleopatra with Elizabeth Taylor Fox lost Twentieth Century.
Fox lost so much money on that movie that they
had to sell off part of the movie lot. If
you're in La right now and you wonder like the
whole Century City development, the Westfield Mall, all of that area.
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They lost so much money making the Cleopatra movie that
they had to sell off acres of the studio.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Cutthroat Island nineteen ninety five, which is I think Matthew
Modine and Geena Davis lost two hundred and seventeen million
dollars and goes down with the ignominious distinction of being
the only movie in history that it is believed to
have brought down the studio bankrupted the studio. That is,
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that's when you're that's when you got a lot of
money at stake. Couple of ones that I remember, and
we're talking about this in the context of the Disney
Snow Snow White disaster water World, Remember Kevin Costner, that
was like one of the all time losers. That's an
asterisk though, because my understanding is that they made the
sets for real out on the water and there was
(16:45):
a big storm and destroyed everything that they had made.
So that was a rough one and I don't know
if they really had the insurance they needed for it.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
So because that movie is not good, have you seen it? Yeah,
it's not good, but it is not awful. I would
say it is like.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
It is a set almost watchable, not quite watchable, wild
wild West. Will Smith movie was supposedly an unmitigated disaster.
But a lot of these have two things in common.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
One is their big risks, like Kevin Costner, I'm gonna
build a water World. Frankly, James Cameron has has panned
out with a lot of what he has done. But
you know, when you do The Titanic, it's not exactly
a cheap thing to make.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
When you make what's the movies that have made so
much money, the Avatars, billions of dollars on those big swings. Okay,
you shouldn't lose massive amounts of money remaking something that
everyone wants like that's purpose of the remake is you
can't lose that the way you have a tenplath on this,
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you can't lose money.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
They think West.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Side Story in twenty twenty one lost one hundred and
twenty million dollars adjusted for inflation. The bottom How how
do you make a West Side Story remake that totally bombs?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
That's I don't even know how that's possible. Well, I
would have told you a musical on television. Now, they
did make a lot of money on Wicked, but in Chicago.
Chicago was a big hit. West Side Story is what's
sixty seventy years old? Are there tons of people out
there clamoring to go see that? I would have called
that into question. The snow White failure is to me again,
(18:28):
why I think it's so fascinating is I think it
represents an era everybody loved snow White. You find a
pretty girl, you cast her as snow White. If you're
deciding to do remakes live action, which I think is
you know it's lazy, right, Like do we really need
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to see a live action remake of The Lion King?
Which is mostly CGI because it's got animals in it?
But you create this disaster and it's so foreseeable, and
it follows buck in everybody loves Star Wars, Let's light
Star Wars on Fire. Everybody built the Marvel franchise up
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and then they lit it on fire. It's like they
can't figure out how to go once the Infinity War
Avengers in game thing ended. It's like everything has been
on the backside of that a disaster. I just and
the Newest, the Newest Indiana Jones people had issues with.
I went and watched it, but you took what made
Indiana Jones great, his rugged individuality, and you instead brought
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in a girl boss who was like leading Indiana Jones around.
And a lot of people said, I watch Indiana Jones
because he's the badass. I don't need like a new
character to be the leader here.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
James in Texas wants to weigh in about Disney. James welcome,
you know.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
And the thing about it is is Disney would have
already known that the projected opening weekend for Snow White
was going to be bad because they based it off
of pre ticket sales, so they already knew this as
of a couple of weeks ago. And I believe I
saw on the news as of last week that it
was put before the Disney board to slow down or
(20:21):
make changes to their DEI slash Woke program, and the
board turned that down. They said keep it the same.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, thank you. The ball I'm not sure about that,
I will tell you, Buck. This ties in pretty well
with what I've seen with the rise of OutKick. Everybody
loves sports. How about just show sports, you know, like,
let's just have sports highlights and debate who the best
is or whatever else. Let's not have argument about politics
on ESPN would be an easy fix. I think.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, Disney share this is Fox Business. A few days ago,
our caller, I think was a front of this is correct.
Disney shareholders widely voted against the proposal to reconsider participation
in the Corporate Equality Index. So this is an anti
DEI proposal that came up and they didn't. Now we
can get into some of the details about this, but.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Well a lot of times with those proposals, the reality
is the and this is like diving.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
We're getting into proxy voting now and everything.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, it's not most individuals voting. It's the large often
left wing h This is where Vivek has gone out
street the culture black rock all this different black Rock? Sorry? Yeah, Alan,
in South Carolina? You went and saw the new snow White?
What do you think? Oh boy, here we go.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
So, so, my wife and I were screening the film
before we showed it to our children. And the best
way I can summarize the way I feel about it is,
you know, it felt like I was watching the end
of Planet of the Apes over and over and over again,
just this gut wretching, awful feeling.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
So you and how old are you? Allen?
Speaker 5 (21:53):
I'm thirty seven?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
So you and and how many kids do you have?
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Two?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Okay, so you and your wife on a date night
where like, hey, we're gonna go watch snow White before
we take our kids to see it. Which is interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
This was a reconnaissance reconnaissance mission, but the fact that
you would feel compelled to go to a Disney movie
to see it first to see whether or not you
could take your kids.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Probably not a great branding side for Disney. Did your
wife feel the same way as you? What was her take?
Speaker 5 (22:23):
She did?
Speaker 7 (22:23):
I fortunately married a very conservative woman. But it's it's
it is really sad. We almost have to go on
and collect intel from the movie prior to you know,
exposing it to our children.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah, it's crazy, thank you. I mean in nineteen thirty seven,
do you think anybody was out there like, hey, I
don't know if we can trust Disney to go watch
snow White. To your point, Buck, hey, Robin Hood, is
this going to be too salacious? Is this going to
be too political for me to take my kid Peter
Pan like Dumbo, whatever you want to point to you,
do you think that in the nineteen fifties and sixties,
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and even when we were growing up in the eighties
and nineties with Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin and
all those movies, that there were any you might have
been concerned, are they a little bit too scary for
young kids? Those kind of things, But nobody was like, hey,
I gotta worry about what the messaging is.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
But you know, there's there's also something that's been lost
here in the creative industries, notably what we see in movies,
but also TV and and it's that a great story.
There's something universal in the humanity of a great story.
People just want great stories. They want they want good
guys and bad guys. They want, you know, heroes and princesses.
(23:31):
They want triumph, They want trials and tribulation. You know
that they want the the the you know, right hand
best friend of the hero to come through in the moment.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I mean these things.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah, And whether you set the story in medieval Europe
or you set the story in you know, Southeast Asia
or Central Africa, if it's a great story, it's a
great story. And we don't you know that. That's that's
what I find so so annoying about this.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I mean, you.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
See, they have something that should be viewed as what
I'm trying to say is snow White should be you
to view you to something that is a universal cultural phenomenon.
That's why what he can enjoy, that's whatever this is,
everyone can enjoy. Mozart is for everybody. That's the great thing.
It doesn't matter where Mozart was from. Ultimately the music
(24:23):
is for everybody and for all perpetuity the human race,
and we should all enjoy it. We should all. Don't
even get me started about how incredible Mozart is. Point is,
they do this thing now where it's like they're keeping score. Oh,
we've had too many you know, there's been too many
musicians or too many authors from this place or that country,
or of this skin color or that gender, and so
(24:44):
we have to do other things.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Now they don't.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Actually, that doesn't work, and they don't have to do
that because we can all appreciate the art for what
it is. And that's where I think. I think so
much of this falls apart. That's why for me, Star
Wars and now the Disney movies are perfect examples of this.
You had one of the most successful movies in the
history of the world in Snow White. To your point, Buck,
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at least ninety five percent of this audience have seen it,
either as kids yourselves, or as parents or as grandparents.
You had a built in audience that loved it, and
then you're trying to make it for a new generation. Well,
wait a minute, it's already been made and everybody loves it.
The remake idea in general doesn't make sense. But if
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you're going to remake something, then.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Remake it basically the exact same story, because Snow White
is transcendent in many ways as a story, and the
same thing is true of Star Wars. I understand characters
age out, but the idea that Star Wars wasn't expansive
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enough in its audience. It's the most expansive successful series
in the history of the world world. Probably is there
anything that's made more money than Star Wars from a
movie perspective A series, maybe James Bond, just because they've
made way more of them, But basically Star Wars is
the most lucrative movie franchise of all time. That's a
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sign that it's working really well and that you don't
need to reinvent the wheel. Would be my suggestion Sundays
with Clay and Boss, the way that Disney has totally
lost its connection with large segments of the American population.
You and I were looking during the commercial break, and
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I've got it pulled up on my phone on the
stocks app. I don't want to sound like Tim Walls here,
but if you had bought Disney stock on in July
of twenty fifteen, so it's basically a decade ago, the
stock price was around one hundred and twenty dollars a year. Today,
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ten years later, the stock price is around one hundred
dollars a share, so you would have lost, not even
factoring in inflation, twenty percent roughly stock valuation at a
time when the stock market itself has more than doubled.
Now you may have made some money back on dividends,
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but I bet a lot of you out there have
Disney stock in your four to h one ks or
if you buy like I do, S and P five
hundred index funds. Disney is one of the five hundred
biggest companies in the world, so you're going to have
some exposure to this company. We talked about this in
the context of the snow White movie, where Woke Disney
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is collapsing. They're going to lose hundreds of millions of dollars,
and you and I had a conversation where there's something
about the casting that just didn't make sense. And I
think if they had just let you and me actually
make casting decisions, that the movie might have made a
billion dollars for Disney instead of losing hundreds of millions
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of dollars. And if you think that's crazy, as we
told you yesterday, the original animated snow White, released in
nineteen thirty seven, made four billion dollars in modern day dollars,
so it basically funded the Disney Corporation and made it
the huge success that it was in Walt Disney's era. Now,
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my wife last night we're driving back from dinner, and
we went to a songwriter event, which was really fun.
Ten Pans South, one of the events that they do
here in town where everybody explains how they came to
write the songs that they did. Very cool in Nashville.
And my wife said, I think you're wrong about who
should have been cast as snow White. She said, Rachel
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Zegler clearly the wrong choice. And then we got into
my big thing, which is Gal Gadot is actually better
looking than Rachel Zegler. You can't have you agree with
me on that.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Well, yeah, but I think she's too old to be
snow White. Isn't snow White supposed to be?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
But yeah, but the sorry you all back, I'm fired
enough about this. I really am fired enough about this.
Mack taking you back to the nineteen thirty seven snow White.
The entire premise of snow White is that snow White
has replaced the evil step Mother as the fairest in
all the land. So I don't buy off the face
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that Gal Gadot is worse looking than snow White. Right,
So the entire premise of the movie doesn't happen if
the evil step Queen stepmother Queen is it is actually
still better looking than snow white? But I said, I
think I said it on the air. I know, I
tweeted it that Sidney Sweeney should have been cast as
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snow White. My wife says that this is me being
clouded by Sidney Sweeney's boobs. She says that Sidney Sweeney
is far too buxhom to use a word that will
probably make bucks and happy, far too buckshom to have
actually played snow white. So it got me thinking, I'm
sure that we're gonna be deluged right now. Who would
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have been? I would stick to my Sidney Sweeney choice.
I think it would have been excellent. I think the
movie would have made a billion dollars, and I think
that she would be a fabulous snow White. My wife says,
I am beclouded potentially by Sidney Sweeney's deakeelatage. I'm trying
to use as many different words for boobs as I
can here buck who would have been a better choice?
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And I pushed back against my wife. I said, you remember,
Lindsey Lohan made a lot of money in those Herbie
and the love Bug movies, uh back in the day,
and she was quite the bucks some last uh, and
it was not considered to be too body. So who
would have been the appropriate choice for snow white? Buck?
Do you have a name? Producer, Ali, do you have
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a name? If they had given the Clay and Buck
show carda blanche here to pick the next snow white,
who could have been the pick to make a billion dollars?
I think it's Sidney Sweeney. Do you have a better name?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I'm not as I'm first of all, I'm definitely not
getting in the crossfire here of whether you.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Are too influenced by Sidney Sweeney's boobs. And that's it.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
It's characterizing the choice here. I do not want to
be near the shrapnel from this one. So whatever, however,
you decide to go this one. I And so there's that.
The my thing on the Sidney Sweeney, I'm sorry. On
the Rachel Zeglars, now, I'm thinking.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
That, Yeah, there you go, you're getting clouded too. Can't
they can't get can't get away? Rachel made a billion dollar.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
The Rachel Zeglar component of this is and I don't
say this to be mean, I mean, I just look,
there are some roles in you know, it's unfortunate. I
am not going to make a living as an underwear model,
you know what I mean? Like I I wish, I
wish things were different, but that's not gonna happen. And
I accept that in life, Like I don't have a
six pack working on it, but I don't have a
six pack, and that's just not gonna happened. I'm an
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older guy. I think that snow White should be pretty,
like really pretty, and I don't think that this was
a good casting choice for that reason.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
For me, it's just you she had Rachel Zegler is
not good looking enough per Buck Sexton to be snow White, correct, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
That is That's my take on it. So I could
go with any number of different Who is the uh Anna?
You know, like you know Anna de Armas? I think
is is?
Speaker 5 (32:25):
That?
Speaker 6 (32:25):
Is?
Speaker 5 (32:25):
That? Her name?
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Very pretty? Now she's a little you know.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I also don't want to get into the ageism thing here,
but she might be a little bit old, do you
know what I'm talking about? No, you don't know Anada Armas.
She played She just was who did she? She just
played Marilyn Monroe. I think okay, And so you know
that to me, if you're you're investing, or you could
go sort of more the you know, the the younger.
(32:49):
I don't know how I look. It's a cartoon. I
mean snow White, she falls in love with the prince.
You know, you gotta let's assume snow White is I
don't know, nineteen or twenty. You know, I think that's
probably a pretty good if we're trying to throw it
in the in the range here of what you could
have somebody that age player who's just a really good
actress and really pretty and do a really good job.
You know, I don't think I don't think that Rachel
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Zegler is enough of a draw. Somebody pointed out one
of our VIPs that she was in The West Side Story,
which also she starred in that Bomb as well. Like
how many bombs are you allowed to start in before
people start to realize you are not the draw that
the executives who make these decisions think they are. You know,
just like a lot of things, people are figuring this
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out about medicine, about you know, legal minds, about a
lot there are a lot of morons who are movie executives.
They don't know anything. All they want to do is
keep their job. Because their job ultimately is overpaid and
easy to do but hard to get, which is true
of a lot of these sort of senior level corporate jobs.
It's tough to get. But once you have it, all
you're trying to do is keep it because you know,
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you go to meetings, you're like, Yo, we should a
green light this, you know whatever. And so I think
that you have to look at these kinds of decisions
that Disney has made. Understand these people were They didn't
build Disney. This is a common thing with leftist as well.
The people that are making the decisions there now they
inherited Disney and they are driving it into the ground
same way like Gavin Newsom took over the state of
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California and is just making it worse all the time.
He didn't build Hollywood and Silicon Valley. He took it
over and ruined it. They're ruining Disney the execs that
are running it the same way.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Ali producer Ali come up on the mic if you can,
do you agree with Laura that Sidney Sweeney's boobs are
too big to play snow White? Have I been led
astray in my casting decision here? Well, Claire, you're definitely
looking in the other direction. I'm susceptible to influence, you think,
maybe on the casting decisions. She does have that really
beautiful alabaster skin. Sidney Sweeney does. Yeh, yeah she does.
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Dakota Fanning does too. Okay, that was your suggestion, Dakota
Fanning and Buck I'll sign off on this. I don't.
I don't, I legit didn't don't know who this person is.
And I'm not claiming, by the way, to be that
plugged in on many modern day movies because I'm not
out as much added to armis. But it's actually a
really good call. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I think it's because it's is this someone, This is movies,
This is fantasy. You want to really look at her
face on the screen.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Okay, this is.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
This is the business. And I know we're like getting
away from this these days. And it's interesting too. You know,
there's the whole like body positivity thing ten years ago,
which everybody's oh, you know, maybe even sooner than more
recently than that, and now with all these different drugs
people can take, you have these celebrities who are look
on body positive and now they weigh like one hundred pounds.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Please focused on the apples. What happened to, Uh yeah,
Ali jumping in and saying that I'm focused on the apples.
It is true the but yeah, you're right the body positive.
As soon as ozempic started, body positivity didn't exist anymore.
Everybody wanted to get skinny. Everybody like, hey, I'm super fat,
but I'm really positive about the way I look. No,
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people are taking being ozimbic like crazy if they can
afford it. And the body positivity thing, which by the way,
isn't very healthy, right, Like this whole idea of putting
people who are morbidly obese on fitness magazine and being like, oh,
this person is like superbody positive. I think maybe you
should be a little bit less body positive and try
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and get healthier. Just an idea. Yes, it's actually not help.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I would say, I practice what I preach with this one.
It is not good. You don't want to sit down
with your doctor and have them say, hey, you're trending
toward pre diabetes. You don't want to have that conversation.
You know, you don't want to find out that some
of your blood and your health markers are going south
on you, because you're going to pay the price no
matter what some celebrity says. So you know, not everybody
(36:44):
has to Like I said, you don't have to be
a bikini or an underwear model. A guy girl doesn't.
Matt Well, I mean guys you know, only don't wear bikinis.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
But you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
It's not about being perfect. It's not about keeping yourself
at some unrealistic level of expectation. It's just about being
healthy and getting the most out of your day to
day out of your life. And people that tell you
that it doesn't matter anything that you know. However, if
someone looks is totally fine, they're lying to them and
they're not being honest with them with themselves about what
the long term issues are. But back to you, like,
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who's hot enough to play snow White? I can't believe
we've been having this conversation. Look for me, Clay, it's
it's even beyond. The funniest thing is still the Dwarfs.
That they got rid of the Dwarves, and.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I think they should be really mad at Peter Dinklice,
the guy who got to play Tyrian Lanister. He's gotten
every good dwarf role for the entire like last generation.
And then he tells the people who were acted the
tiny ladder up behind him. You know what I mean,
that's nice. Yeah, totally just totally like destroyed these seven
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dwarf actors who aren't going to ever have the opportunity.
Maybe you go out and I don't know, you kill
it as dopey or doc and next thing you know,
you're you're the next Tyrian Lanister character. The fact that
they made to avoid offending people, they didn't let actual
dwarves play the dwarves and instead they made commuter computer
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animated versions of them, which is just to me kind of.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
The peak of the woke absurdity, right, I mean, this
is a bit like how in order like they in
order to truly support women, the left feminist movement, in
its final stages here has decided that men can be
women the same way any women can, and in doing
so completely undermine women, women's rights, women's sports, etc.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Right, it goes to the ultimate conclusion of the destruction
of the thing that it supposedly supports and cares about.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
The most ridiculous woke Disney move ever. And I still
think this is steric. But by the way, you can
talk back if you think we're crazy on this. Do
you remember when they decided that the African animals had
to have black voices or else it would be cultural
appropriation when they remade the Lion King. This is one
of the most crazy parts of this. They said that
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if it's not a black voice the animal, it is
cultural appropriation. For instance, for a lion, which is from
Africa to not be voiced by a black person in America,
it is That was like, next, I don't even know
how you get your head around how crazy that is.
They were concerned that a lion having a white voice
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would be cultural appropriation, so they had black, you know,
American actors the.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Original Lion King. There was criticism because the one of
the hyenas was was voiced by Whoopi Goldberg and Scar
they say, is you know Scar, the lion is gay?
And so there was this whole Oh, there's these subliminal
messages of who the bad like, who the bad guys
or bad people are and it's like, these are cartoons.
It's a cartoon, yes, lion guys, the cartoon hyena like
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that is not really but people get very excited about
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Reaction pouring in Brian's got a funny one here, Buck,
I believe the obvious choice for snow White would be
Dylan mulvaney. That would I mean, if they had cast
a dude as snow White, that would have been Peaked Disney.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
That would have been I'm gonna tell you this, As
much as that would be insane and like the destruction
of Western civilization happening in real time, I would almost
respect Disney's Hootspot with that one.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
I'd say, Wow, Wow, they're going to do They're going
all in like that.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
That would be that would be just just clacking off
the explosives to bring down the Magic Kingdom all at once.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
I mean, that would just be Wow, that would be
really really funny. Yet, but yes, I mean, why not
go ahead and be as expansive as possible for UH
to be able to set that up? It would be
really really funny to see that happen. And by the way,
producer Ali deluged UH in reaction.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
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Speaker 1 (41:01):
Andrew in Winston Salem, North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
You're up first, Well.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
Hey, thanks guys, first time been able to get into y'all.
I've been tried many times, but this is the number
one news station or news radio in the country right here.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Hey man, thank you for listening.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
Yeah, oh, absolutely so. My casting choice would be Sabrina
Carpenter for snow White. I think she has caught the
apple of the American eyes and many different demographics. I
think she handles herself really well and is not afraid
to make fun of herself. I think she would promote
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snow White much better than miss Zegler. And there's a
lot of people in the music industry icons that want
to work with her and have like Paul Simon, and
I'm sure Dolly Parton wants to work with her in
the future.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
I thank you, though, who thank you so much for
the call.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Do you know who Sabrina Carpenter is. I've never heard
of her, nor have I ever seen her before.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
She is insanely famous musician, So that is really funny
that you have never heard of her. It's like the
Morgan Wallen situation on MOD and.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
I just do one of those. Is she a country
music person?
Speaker 3 (42:14):
I'm not an first of all, I am tone deaf,
so I am not a great judge of incredible singing
talent or anything else. But she is one of the
most famous young singers out there right now, so I
think that she would likely potentially do very well. She's pretty,
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she's got that sort of alabaster skin. Careful, the peanut
butter skin line. You were gonna say that. I knew
you were going to talk about that quote from I
don't know. I don't know if I ever talk about
the color skin of somebody in a positive way. So
the alabaster skin line is just you know, she's she's white.
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I mean snow white is white as as as a
big part of her appeal. And it's like not a
super tan skin but uh, but it is very funny
in and of itself. And uh, and there are a
lot of people she is a called a pop princess.
She was the she's a Grammy nominee. She's very very
popular at at this point in time. So I don't
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know the first element here. You've never heard of Sabrina Carpenter,
never heard of her before, So I clearly I don't know.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I just don't I'm not that connected to the pop
culture these days April in Salt Lake City, where we
are number one, and we love you salt Lake for
listening to us. Thank you so much. What's going on, April?
Speaker 6 (43:39):
Hi?
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Hi, my favorite men?
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Hello?
Speaker 5 (43:43):
Hi, Hey, I was just thinking that Julia Butters would
be a really good choice. She's got that perfect complexion.
She's fairs of.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Them all, but she could be very tan as well.
She's known for like Gabby in Criminal Mind. So she
does the.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Role of Ella in a prime video series Transparent.
Speaker 6 (44:08):
She's been known for Once upon a.
Speaker 7 (44:10):
Time in Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
She's really really.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
Cute, good looking actress. I sent you a picture of
her on Facebook Messenger.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Okay, I thank you.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
You have great taste in radio, and we know that
since you say we're your favorite men, you've got great
taste in men. So I'm assuming Julia Butters is an
excellent choice.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Once again, I don't even know. I've never heard of
this person before, have you.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
I had to look her up. I didn't know who
she was, but she does have a snow white look
about her. I tend to think this would be, you know,
kind of an opportunity where somebody just calls somebody calls
in there like the agent for the individual.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
I think, unfortunately the moment has passed because they're not
going to make another snow White movie.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
For a very maybe for the rest of the life
of anybody out there that is here. By the way,
I put up a poll, and I'm probably gonna get
get dunked on by my wife for this, but I
have a poll up right now. Is my wife right,
am I distracted by Sidney Sweeney's booze and not making
rational choices? Or would Sidney Sweeney in the role of
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snow White have made the movie a billion dollars? You
can all go vote in this right now. Eighty seven
percent of you say Sidney Sweeney would have made this
a billion dollar franchise. So maybe many of you are
also in the audience out there, thousands of you voting
at Clay Travis on Twitter. Maybe you are also similarly
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bedazzled by her decolotage. But most of you are agreeing
with me right now, which Laura Travis will still will
still argue the other way, but that is out there
on the big Pole day as well.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
Well.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
I think that maybe this is getting too deep into
the philosophy of this, but I think that the the left,
including the crew, you know, the left. It used to
be predominantly when they were in charge of Hollywood, and
they still are, but things are changing or Hollywood's not
what it used to be. Yeah, they had left wing politics,
but they would have the people they would put forward
who are supposed to be good looking.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
We're very good looking.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
I think that the left opposes excellence and beauty as
a general thing, excellence as a general concept, and I
think that they are increasingly they find beauty to be exclusionary,
where you know, it's an exclusive category and therefore it's
not inclusive and therefore it can't be a good thing,
which is why we have, you know, these campaigns of
(46:35):
like very basically very autottractive and weird looking people to
sell clothing for example, which I started in recent Like
this all comes from so there's something psychologically that pushes this.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
But this is all failed.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
They tried to say, oh no, this is going to
expand our that's a lie. It actually fails dramatically because
people when you're talking about things where you're buying into
it for the brand, for the story, there should be
there's an aspirational quality to this, right, Like when I
buy an under armor shirt. I'm not going to look
like bo Jackson in his prime in my under armor shirt.
(47:08):
You know, I mean, I good, good recall there, Yeah,
thank you, Yeah, but I'm not going to look like him.
But I still you know, you aspire to that brand
and you see this and there's sort of a signaling
in your brain of like, well, I want to be
a part of that in some way.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Same thing is true with like leading ladies in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
You're you know, you're we're allowed to be like, oh,
this is a very beautiful and alluring person who is
on the silver screen, and you know it.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Doesn't have to be.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
All pulled down into the sort of the hoy peloi
and the day to day of everything.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
The best example of this buck is Victoria's Secret. Victoria's
Secret for a generation sold, Hey, we want we have
these beautiful women wearing lingerie, and everybody understands that they're
not going to look probably as beautiful as the average
Victoria's Secret supermodel, but is an aspirational desire. And they decided,
(48:02):
for body positivity reasons, we're going to start having basically
normal women modeling the lingerie. And you know what happened
sales collapsed because people are looking at like, I don't
I want to aspire to be something that I am not, right,
like the entire aspect of whether you like it or not,
of selling gear to your point, like men wear shoes
(48:27):
because they hope they're going to jump as high as
Michael Jordan. Is that ridiculous, Yes, But the aspiration is
that you can be something like someone who is not normal.
You can aspire to also be a better version of yourself.
And so they weigh at this.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
The way that this I think is manifested in the
psychology and the philosophy of the left, the Democrat party,
is that they are inherently uncomfortable with and want to
suppress excellence. As I said, because it is exclusive, right,
So to be excellent anything means you have to be
(49:04):
elite or better than others in the category, right, Yeah,
to be an excellent classical musician, flute, to be an
excellent you know, to be a beauty queen, to be
it's the entire foundation of sports, right, This is why
men and women's sports is so important, right, perfect example
of this. So they're you know, you can either elevate
(49:24):
what is excellent and give people something aspirational as a society,
or you can pull everybody down by destroying merit and
excellence in whatever ways that you can, because then they're
easier to control because they're demoralized, and society is now
just one, just one sort of formless mass of people
who want to be safe and warm and fed and
(49:45):
never aspire to anything. And this is this is how
the psychology of a left manifests itself more and more
in art, which I think, instead of elevating people, brings
people down, which is a very fancy way of saying,
this is why they turned against hot chicks. You see
what I there, I stuck the landing.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
It's also I think we talked about this a little
bit yesterday, but I do think that you said, Rachel
Zegler not good enough looking to be snow white. I
think that's not a bad argument. I mean, this is
an incredibly beautiful.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
I like how your tiptoe on the clays like, I'm
not sure I'm going to take the heat on that
one with you, buddy.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
I think, by the way, I would one billion percent
welcome Daily Mail mediaite headline. Clay Travis, fat ugly radio
guy says that Rachel Zegler is not good looking enough
to be snow white. I will second your take, that
was your first take. I will sign on to and
I will co sign it.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
But the part that I think is ridiculous is they
decided to go with a Latina snow white, which I
think we have to end this race based craziness.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
Right. We talked about this a little bit yesterday. But
I do hope because Hollywood is such a copycat, copy
copycat place, that this idea of having historic figures that
are defined in some way by their physical appearance and
claiming that it doesn't matter to your point, the black
female Viking warrior, Yeah, that didn't happen, right, Like Bridgerton, Hey,
(51:15):
this is set in a seventeenth or eighteenth century palace
in London. I'm sorry, Like everybody there was white by
and large, unless there's some visiting you know, foreign country
emissary there. So you telling me, hey, we're trying to
deconstruct history by just having people play roles that they
(51:36):
could have never played. It takes me completely out of
the story. Much like and I'm going to get more
heat for this musicals Like I don't want people to
start singing. I like plays I was looking. I'm gonna
be up in New York recently. Buck, I'm going to
go see Othello with Denzel Washington and Jay Gillenhall playing,
which I think will be an amazing Broadway play. They're
(51:58):
doing previews for it right now. I like historic Shakespeare,
I like plays. I might even go see the I'm
gonna get heat for this when I'm up there. I
might even go see this new George Clooney uh Broadway
play which is about uh, the Edward R. Murrow I think,
or somebody back in the fifties who was a newscaster.
(52:19):
And I know George Clooney is a super left wing guy,
but he's pretty talent actor, I think, And I know
Denzel Washington is one of the greatest actors of his generation.
I would like to see him on a stage see
I like, I like.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
I like arguing the when I can. I don't think
George Clooney is a very good actor. I think he
I think he's plays the same thing and everything he's in.
I think he's very one note. So I'm just I'm
gonna throw a flag on this one. Is he handsway
all right? He's handsome?
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Sure? Is he is he a good actor?
Speaker 1 (52:46):
Though, I've never seen George Clooney in anything where I've gone,
oh yeah, he really like leaned into that one.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
It's always the same thing.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
He's like, look at me, I'm so handsome, looking at
my square jaw.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
I'm not into it. I don't have a problems. He's
not a full mallogion either. He's not full of allusion.
Let's be honest, mallusions better looking than Clooney. I agree
with you there. I think, can we go to the archives.
I think Trump came on the show and ripped George
Clooney with the exact same take that you have last year.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
I think I think I agree on everything, Clay. I
think I think Trump came on and said he's a
TV guy, he's not really a movie star. He didn't
have that good of a career. I think I think
Trump came on the show it said that about George Clooney.
See if we can track that doubt in the archives.
I'm gonna go watch the play and I'm gonna go
watch you agree with me on Denzel like one of
the greatest actors, one of the tenors of his generation.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Yes, Denzel's phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Yeah, and so I'm gonna go watch that, I think
in a couple of weeks when I'm up in New
York City and uh, and my point on that is excellence.
I want to see excellence, and I don't. I would
not go see again. Do you see my.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Point though about when when you look at when you
look at authoritarian and totalitarian societies, they people are all
demoralized and all they're allowed to aspire to is the
will of the state.
Speaker 5 (54:07):
There.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
This is why you know art is crushed, religion is crushed.
You can't you can't aspire to have or not beautiful
right like looking buildings. Absolutely there there is a this
is a auty.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
Across the across the entire platform of the of the authoritaries.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Because because then people just that they just want whatever
the most basic things are and they don't want to
be attacked, and they don't they don't want to be different,
and because there is nothing to aspire to, because there
is nothing that you want to become, uh or or
that you want to try to emulate in some way
in your own life. You just whatever the state, whatever
sort of gruel the state dishes out on your plate
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that is your life. And this is what you see
in like former Soviet block architecture. And you know, people
would talk about some of the the Soviets, you know,
they made things a little more complicated because they took
you know, brilliant artists like Tchaikowski for example, and they
had the Bolshoy, the ballet, the state funded ballet.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
But that was all done before this.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
You know, that was all done before Stalin came along, right,
these they didn't produce any good artwork except for dissident writers,
which tells you something in the twentieth century. So the
attack on beauty and the destruction of it as a
concept in whether it's physicality, architecture, music, all these things,
it is actually part of a collectivist and authoritarian playbook.
(55:33):
I mean, it always is, right, let me tell you go.
Not a lot of interesting new artwork being created in.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
China these days.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Everything that you think of is Chinese culture that's you know,
interesting and worthwhile. That's before mao, since maw nothing new.
They just copy our stuff in our technology. But I
mean there's nothing new, and there's a reason.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
For that, all right.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
I got a little fired off about this one. But
we need we needed to take We need to take
this out of the Clay Sydney Sweeney zone for a second.
Speaker 3 (56:04):
Here, you're a funny you were you were. She would
have made a billion, She would have made a billion dollars.
I'm just trying to help Disney out, trying to help
the company out. They won't listen to me.
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Reverence, and occasionally random The Sunday Hang With podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
It starts now.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
You will not get into White Lotus right now, because
I don't think that many of you watch it, and
I don't want to argue with Clay about whether it's
worth continue to watch White Lotus. After the most recent episode,
I was pretty horrified. I was gonna say, I'm I
looked at Carrie, I'm like, I don't think I can
do this anymore.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It is clear that I have a darker sensibility when
it comes to television, like I can put up with
more than you or producer Ali can. When it comes
to to down the rabbit hole crazy, I do not
do well with.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
You know, maybe my mind is more like a delicate
flower these days when it comes to my content at entertainment.
I don't like things that are too violent. I don't
like things that are too body.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Perhaps is that the right word. I got them to
chow on his crocket.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I got on the choke on his crocket coffee. Look
at that.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
That was awesome. Almost speak my crocket coffee out everywhere. Body,
were you born in nineteen twenty four?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
You know, I'm just saying sometimes, you know, some of
us are more comfortable, and sometimes there's too many bus
there's too many busts, some glasses in the television shows
of late that you're watching. Yeah, a bunch of a
bunch of ladies out there being a little too little
too frisky on the television for my liking.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
So you know, it's a little too wife. I will
say this, my wife has had to deal with for
the past twenty years. Every time there's an HBO show,
you know, they give a content warning before the show
and It'll say like there's nudity, and I'll be like,
yes because it used to be. I literally pumped my
fists like yes, this is gonna be a good show.
(01:50):
My wife's had to deal with this for twenty years
of late. All of the nudity I see in my
shows is male. I don't know when they flip when
they it's not not any are near is enjoyable? I
will say, used to be almost all nudity was female.
The lastly have you noticed this, like the last three
or four years in quote unquote prestige television. It's always
naked guys now, and a lot of it is not
(02:13):
very enjoyable. So I'm not. In the first fifteen years
of HBO shows, it was like, Okay, probably gonna be
some good look at naked girls in this show. I'm
excited even more now not a lot more nude guys
not as enjoyable for me. So let's talk snow White.
Snow White.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Was at one point the first, I believe, the first
full length animated feature released in theaters back in nineteen
thirty seven. Am I if I get any of these wrong, team,
let me know. It was wildly popular and the you know,
the Disney so much of I think like the the
(02:52):
Disney really had two things going for it for a
long time.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
People love the parks.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Fine another parks have become very expensive now, but people
love the park and they love the animated those those
animated features. I mean, I grew up and we've all
seen I think ninety what do you think ninety five
percent of our listeners have seen the original snow White,
the original cartoon.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I would be if you have, you would be I
don't know how you wouldn't have seen it right.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I mean, and if you didn't see it when you
were a kid, you have kids, you've seen it, right,
so one, and it's really an an iconic It's an
iconic animated film. And I think Disney had a number
of these over the years, you know, Sleeping Beauty. I
actually really liked some of you are gonna laugh, but
I really liked the Robin Hood with Robinhood as a fox.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Do you know what I'm talking about as a cartoon?
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Growing up, Peter Pan your favorite along with Robin. Great animation,
great music, great stories. This is stuff that everyone really celebrates.
It was a really amazing part of American culture.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Let me hit you with the detail that will bring
home how profitable snow White was. And you may have
had I was reading because I wanted to do my
research on this too. Snow White, adjusted for inflation dollars,
basically made the Walt Disney Company.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Disney. Walt Disney mortgaged his own home to be able
to finish producing snow White because it was so expensive
at that point in time to make an animated film.
It made four billion dollars. Okay, let me repeat that,
because with a.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
B four billion dollars in modern American money. So this
thing was so outrageously popular that it basically funded Disneyland
eventually Disney World. This was what put Disney on the
map as a global corporation that was capable of churning
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out incredible content. This was what they created, the animation, studios, everything.
So it is not only beloved buck, it is one
of the greatest, most successful commercial art products in the
history of the United States.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, that puts it into context very well. And I
remember I saw with my parents in the theaters Lion King, Oh, Aladdin,
Beauty and the Beast. Beauty the Beast is a great movie.
It's at any animated. It was actually nominated for Best Picture,
not Best Animated Feature, Best Movie the year that it
came out.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
The music is excellent. Look.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I know some people cartoons aren't their thing, but I
think cartoons out. I actually think cartoons can be really
impressive and amazing if they're done well. I like the
old cartoons, even with bugs bunnies, but put bugs Bunny
put that aside. Clay, this New Disney. If you and
I sat here scripting out a way to ruin Disney
to do a like a farce or as send up
(05:47):
if you will, of wokeness. I don't know if we
could have done better than this.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
They have.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
They have changed. There's a whole listing of all these
things they've changed. They have changed the dwarfs, and this
is okay. I think this is my favorite part of this.
First of all, it made forty million dollars opening weekend,
which is an absolute abject disaster. As we've talked about here,
all the movies money comes in the first month, and
a lot of it needs to come in the first
weekend for momentum. Remember, people haven't seen it. Now people
(06:13):
have seen it, they say it stinks, they say it's trash.
So next week it's going to be worse, and the
weekend after that's gonna be worse. This is gonna cost
Disney hundreds of millions of dollars. Yes one all said
hundreds of millions of dollars of pure loss on this.
But the fud What is your favorite thing about the
change they made that they wouldn't use actual dwarf actors
(06:34):
because Peter Dinklice, who had probably the greatest dwarf role
of all time in Game of Throw and handed a
very good job in it. But I think, you know,
a little too little, too high on his own stuff here,
a little too.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Big, big for his breeches.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Literally, yeah, he decided, he decided that it was weird
and out of date to have actual dwarves play dwarves,
so they replaced them with CGI dwarfs and dwarf actors
out there, and there are dwarf actors out there.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Are were fear and I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
With them, furious about this because this is like the
chance of a lifetime to be in a globally you know,
resonating film as.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
A dwarf actor.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
It's like they this is wokeness just eating itself.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
They could have made a movie that was a ninety
years basically later, a nostalgic recreation of the spirit that
imbued the original Snow White, which made the Disney Corporation possible.
But because they have decided that they need to be
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woke Disney, they created an awful version of a movie
that many people would have loved, of all races and
all backgrounds. And I think this is going to be
saying I think you said it well at the end
of the last hour. I think this is going to
be seen as a cultural signpost of what woke can
(08:04):
do to great Americana, and Disney has to a large
extent destroyed Star Wars by trying to wokeify it as Look,
I don't begrudge any story that is like Lost. Lost
was a great television show back in the day. It
also happened to have a diverse set of characters, but
(08:28):
it fit the story right. It's an airplane that crashes
on an island. It would make sense that the airplane
would be filled with a cross section of American life, right.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, the airplane wasn't coming from Finland. Like, yes, there
could be lots of different kinds of people on the plane.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
So the idea that Snow White needs to be replaced
with a Latina actress, or that Captain America needs to
be replaced with a black actor, or that you need
to somehow decide that you are going to change the
historic relevancy of a show because it doesn't meet modern
day standards of diversity, I think is going up in smoke.
(09:06):
And the example I'll give of this that I think
is actually the worst two of them. Hamilton, all Right,
I I've made it clear that I'm not a huge
fan of musicals. Okay, but I don't like the idea of, hey,
we're gonna make American historical figures different races, because races
are so inconsequential. Okay, When is the country and Western
(09:29):
version of the Obama administration going to occur with Blake
Shelton playing Barack Obama?
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Right?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
When?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Why is it that in Hamilton the one bad guy
is the only whit white guy the king of Why
can't the King of England be black? What am I missing?
And this Charlie, Well, what's the messaging there? Everybody? You know,
I do look at these things, Well, what's the message
they're telling people with this?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
And then what is the pride and prejudice? Or what's
the Bridgerton I think is the show that's on Netflix
and it's about seventeenth and eighteenth century England, except there
are all these different races that are playing the British actors.
I'm sorry, I can't. I can't even pay attention to
that show because I'm like, well, it's set in seventeen
(10:14):
eighties England. These are white people, right, Like, in the
same way if you told give me a story about
Nigeria in sixteen forty and there's a bunch of white
people playing black people. I mean, like, don't I can't
really get into this story. It's so flagrantly historically inaccurate.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I was trying to watch on that I love historically.
My brothers make fun of me. They always say, if
there's like beard, swords and meat drinking, I like it,
you know, which is pretty much true. Like I like
anything that's you know, historical piece European history. I love Gladiator,
I love Braveheart. I love those kinds of things. And
I tried to watch on Netflix this show, the Viking Show,
(10:54):
and there's a yarl, which is like an earl or
a prince or whatever in vikings in I guess it
was the ninth you know, ninth century, the eight hundreds.
It's a black woman who's the who's cast as the
head of this vibe, and it's supposed to be like
a historic these are real people's names.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Is she supposed to be black or are you not
supposed to notice that she's black? I think I.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Only watch the first episode. I think you're just not
supposed to notice, Like it's just, oh, like we've made
her a black female, and you made him.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
It was actually a guy obviously who was the year y'arel.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
So you make it a female, and you make it
a black female because you think Clay people are so
sick of this to the point you're making Game of
Thrones another show very diverse. Nobody has a problem with
diverse characters in in whether it's fiction or even fantasy genre.
That's fine. But when you're setting something in a historical context,
you know, you would think that there are some basic
(11:44):
authenticity components of it that you would likely if you're
setting a show in Iceland in you know, the year
one thousand, you're not going to have a lot of Latinos.
You're just not going to have them. Like it's not
a it's not a knock on Latinos. They liked being warm.
They were not in Iceland.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
If we watched a story about the Civil War, my
favorite part in history, and there was a character playing
Frederick Douglass and it was a white woman, I would
be like, you know, this has taken me a little
outside of the story because Frederick Douglas was a black guy, right,
Like some level of historical accuracy for historic fact seems
necessary to me. And this is an example of what
(12:22):
Disney has done. I think they have taken something that
people loved and decided that they needed to make it
more expansive when everybody already loved it right.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Well, also they and the way we didn't even get
into all the different ways. So first the dwarves of CGI,
which is I also think CGI in general ruins movies.
I think it should be used very sparingly. To me,
it's like drops on a radio show, Like you can
use them here and there, but it can't be you know,
like like if you have you know, you know what
I'm talking about. If you have a radio show that's
(12:51):
all just sound effects all the time, you start to
be like that you know, that Kramer guy on the
with the uh uh you know the Finance show. Whatever's
like hong konk hon konnk. I mean, it's too much.
You gotta be very sparing with your CGI. So that's
what CGI dwors horrible idea. They changed the music. They've
changed the musical numbers from the basically the most successful
on screen musical of all time close to it maybe
(13:13):
maybe like the sound of Music or you know, Gone
with the Wind. But they changed the music, which is
which is madness. And I must just say this, this
woman is playing the Disney Princess.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
She just doesn't look like it. She's just not that pretty.
She doesn't look like a Disney princess.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I don't know, you know, am I am I alone
in this one.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I think if they had put Sidney Sweeney in as
snow White, it would have made a billion dollars. Yes,
I mean, just give me a really pretty white chick
and let her actually play the role of snow White.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I mean the crazy thing. It was a really pretty,
a really pretty chick.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Like.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I just don't think this woman is Disney princess material.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
How about the fact saying Gal Gadot is way better
looking and way more looks like snow White, but she's
the evil princess.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yes, yes, that's a weird decision too, right, she's Disney
princess kind of material. And you you know, if you're
just she was wonderful. Okay, you're allowed to want pretty
people to play the Disney Princess or the Queen or whatever.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
So Sunday hang with Clay and Bucks.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Biggest box office bombs in history Stealth two thousand and
five adjusted for inflation lost one hundred and fifty five
million dollars.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
That was when.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Jessica Biel was really at her at her absolute peak,
and that did not help. She ended up marrying justin Timberlake,
so I guess she did okay, but that did not
help her career. I'm trying to see who else is
on this list of notables. There's a lot of them.
And the thing is, I think all of the movies
that are on the bomb list are are terrible, So
that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
It's not there.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
The Adventures of Pluto Nash two thousand and two, Eddie
Murphy one hundred and sixty eight million dollar loss adjusted
for inflation. That made that's like a top contender for
all time losses. Play Heaven's Gate nineteen eighty I've never
seen that. I don't even know who's I think it's
a Western kind of some kind of like a Western
(15:08):
on the prairies, pioneer movie or something.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Do you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I've heard
the name of the title, but I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah, there's there's a bunch of these, a lot of
them I've never even really heard of.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I'll tell you one and again I think it's important
to adjust these things for inflation. If you're wondering, it's because.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Dana Jones and the Dial of Destiny one hundred and
fifty million dollar loss.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I didn't know that. I went and saw it. It
was not great. Cleopatra with Elizabeth Taylor Fox lost Twentieth Century.
Fox lost so much money on that movie that they
had to sell off part of the movie lot. If
you're in La right now and you wonder like the
whole Century City development, the Westfield Mall, all of that area.
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They lost so much money making the Cleopatra movie that
they had to sell off acres of the studio.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Cutthroat Island nineteen ninety five, which is I think Matthew
Modine and Geena Davis lost two hundred and seventeen million
dollars and goes down with the ignominious distinction of being
the only movie in history that it is believed to
have brought down the studio bankrupted the studio. That is,
(16:24):
that's when you're that's when you got a lot of
money at stake. Couple of ones that I remember, and
we're talking about this in the context of the Disney
Snow Snow White disaster water World, Remember Kevin Costner, that
was like one of the all time losers. That's an
asterisk though, because my understanding is that they made the
sets for real out on the water and there was
(16:45):
a big storm and destroyed everything that they had made.
So that was a rough one and I don't know
if they really had the insurance they needed for it.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
So because that movie is not good, have you seen it? Yeah,
it's not good, but it is not awful. I would
say it is like.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
It is a set almost watchable, not quite watchable, wild
wild West. Will Smith movie was supposedly an unmitigated disaster.
But a lot of these have two things in common.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
One is their big risks, like Kevin Costner, I'm gonna
build a water World. Frankly, James Cameron has has panned
out with a lot of what he has done. But
you know, when you do The Titanic, it's not exactly
a cheap thing to make.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
When you make what's the movies that have made so
much money, the Avatars, billions of dollars on those big swings. Okay,
you shouldn't lose massive amounts of money remaking something that
everyone wants like that's purpose of the remake is you
can't lose that the way you have a tenplath on this,
(17:51):
you can't lose money.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
They think West.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Side Story in twenty twenty one lost one hundred and
twenty million dollars adjusted for inflation. The bottom How how
do you make a West Side Story remake that totally bombs?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
That's I don't even know how that's possible. Well, I
would have told you a musical on television. Now, they
did make a lot of money on Wicked, but in Chicago.
Chicago was a big hit. West Side Story is what's
sixty seventy years old? Are there tons of people out
there clamoring to go see that? I would have called
that into question. The snow White failure is to me again,
(18:28):
why I think it's so fascinating is I think it
represents an era everybody loved snow White. You find a
pretty girl, you cast her as snow White. If you're
deciding to do remakes live action, which I think is
you know it's lazy, right, Like do we really need
(18:49):
to see a live action remake of The Lion King?
Which is mostly CGI because it's got animals in it?
But you create this disaster and it's so foreseeable, and
it follows buck in everybody loves Star Wars, Let's light
Star Wars on Fire. Everybody built the Marvel franchise up
(19:13):
and then they lit it on fire. It's like they
can't figure out how to go once the Infinity War
Avengers in game thing ended. It's like everything has been
on the backside of that a disaster. I just and
the Newest, the Newest Indiana Jones people had issues with.
I went and watched it, but you took what made
Indiana Jones great, his rugged individuality, and you instead brought
(19:38):
in a girl boss who was like leading Indiana Jones around.
And a lot of people said, I watch Indiana Jones
because he's the badass. I don't need like a new
character to be the leader here.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
James in Texas wants to weigh in about Disney. James welcome,
you know.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
And the thing about it is is Disney would have
already known that the projected opening weekend for Snow White
was going to be bad because they based it off
of pre ticket sales, so they already knew this as
of a couple of weeks ago. And I believe I
saw on the news as of last week that it
was put before the Disney board to slow down or
(20:21):
make changes to their DEI slash Woke program, and the
board turned that down. They said keep it the same.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, thank you. The ball I'm not sure about that,
I will tell you, Buck. This ties in pretty well
with what I've seen with the rise of OutKick. Everybody
loves sports. How about just show sports, you know, like,
let's just have sports highlights and debate who the best
is or whatever else. Let's not have argument about politics
on ESPN would be an easy fix. I think.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, Disney share this is Fox Business. A few days ago,
our caller, I think was a front of this is correct.
Disney shareholders widely voted against the proposal to reconsider participation
in the Corporate Equality Index. So this is an anti
DEI proposal that came up and they didn't. Now we
can get into some of the details about this, but.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Well a lot of times with those proposals, the reality
is the and this is like diving.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
We're getting into proxy voting now and everything.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, it's not most individuals voting. It's the large often
left wing h This is where Vivek has gone out
street the culture black rock all this different black Rock? Sorry? Yeah, Alan,
in South Carolina? You went and saw the new snow White?
What do you think? Oh boy, here we go.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
So, so, my wife and I were screening the film
before we showed it to our children. And the best
way I can summarize the way I feel about it is,
you know, it felt like I was watching the end
of Planet of the Apes over and over and over again,
just this gut wretching, awful feeling.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
So you and how old are you? Allen?
Speaker 5 (21:53):
I'm thirty seven?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
So you and and how many kids do you have?
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Two?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Okay, so you and your wife on a date night
where like, hey, we're gonna go watch snow White before
we take our kids to see it. Which is interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
This was a reconnaissance reconnaissance mission, but the fact that
you would feel compelled to go to a Disney movie
to see it first to see whether or not you
could take your kids.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Probably not a great branding side for Disney. Did your
wife feel the same way as you? What was her take?
Speaker 5 (22:23):
She did?
Speaker 7 (22:23):
I fortunately married a very conservative woman. But it's it's
it is really sad. We almost have to go on
and collect intel from the movie prior to you know,
exposing it to our children.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah, it's crazy, thank you. I mean in nineteen thirty seven,
do you think anybody was out there like, hey, I
don't know if we can trust Disney to go watch
snow White. To your point, Buck, hey, Robin Hood, is
this going to be too salacious? Is this going to
be too political for me to take my kid Peter
Pan like Dumbo, whatever you want to point to you,
do you think that in the nineteen fifties and sixties,
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and even when we were growing up in the eighties
and nineties with Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin and
all those movies, that there were any you might have
been concerned, are they a little bit too scary for
young kids? Those kind of things, But nobody was like, hey,
I gotta worry about what the messaging is.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
But you know, there's there's also something that's been lost
here in the creative industries, notably what we see in movies,
but also TV and and it's that a great story.
There's something universal in the humanity of a great story.
People just want great stories. They want they want good
guys and bad guys. They want, you know, heroes and princesses.
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They want triumph, They want trials and tribulation. You know
that they want the the the you know, right hand
best friend of the hero to come through in the moment.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I mean these things.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah, And whether you set the story in medieval Europe
or you set the story in you know, Southeast Asia
or Central Africa, if it's a great story, it's a
great story. And we don't you know that. That's that's
what I find so so annoying about this.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I mean, you.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
See, they have something that should be viewed as what
I'm trying to say is snow White should be you
to view you to something that is a universal cultural phenomenon.
That's why what he can enjoy, that's whatever this is,
everyone can enjoy. Mozart is for everybody. That's the great thing.
It doesn't matter where Mozart was from. Ultimately the music
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is for everybody and for all perpetuity the human race,
and we should all enjoy it. We should all. Don't
even get me started about how incredible Mozart is. Point is,
they do this thing now where it's like they're keeping score. Oh,
we've had too many you know, there's been too many
musicians or too many authors from this place or that country,
or of this skin color or that gender, and so
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we have to do other things.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Now they don't.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Actually, that doesn't work, and they don't have to do
that because we can all appreciate the art for what
it is. And that's where I think. I think so
much of this falls apart. That's why for me, Star
Wars and now the Disney movies are perfect examples of this.
You had one of the most successful movies in the
history of the world in Snow White. To your point, Buck,
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at least ninety five percent of this audience have seen it,
either as kids yourselves, or as parents or as grandparents.
You had a built in audience that loved it, and
then you're trying to make it for a new generation. Well,
wait a minute, it's already been made and everybody loves it.
The remake idea in general doesn't make sense. But if
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you're going to remake something, then.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Remake it basically the exact same story, because Snow White
is transcendent in many ways as a story, and the
same thing is true of Star Wars. I understand characters
age out, but the idea that Star Wars wasn't expansive
(25:53):
enough in its audience. It's the most expansive successful series
in the history of the world world. Probably is there
anything that's made more money than Star Wars from a
movie perspective A series, maybe James Bond, just because they've
made way more of them, But basically Star Wars is
the most lucrative movie franchise of all time. That's a
(26:13):
sign that it's working really well and that you don't
need to reinvent the wheel. Would be my suggestion Sundays
with Clay and Boss, the way that Disney has totally
lost its connection with large segments of the American population.
You and I were looking during the commercial break, and
(26:34):
I've got it pulled up on my phone on the
stocks app. I don't want to sound like Tim Walls here,
but if you had bought Disney stock on in July
of twenty fifteen, so it's basically a decade ago, the
stock price was around one hundred and twenty dollars a year. Today,
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ten years later, the stock price is around one hundred
dollars a share, so you would have lost, not even
factoring in inflation, twenty percent roughly stock valuation at a
time when the stock market itself has more than doubled.
Now you may have made some money back on dividends,
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but I bet a lot of you out there have
Disney stock in your four to h one ks or
if you buy like I do, S and P five
hundred index funds. Disney is one of the five hundred
biggest companies in the world, so you're going to have
some exposure to this company. We talked about this in
the context of the snow White movie, where Woke Disney
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is collapsing. They're going to lose hundreds of millions of dollars,
and you and I had a conversation where there's something
about the casting that just didn't make sense. And I
think if they had just let you and me actually
make casting decisions, that the movie might have made a
billion dollars for Disney instead of losing hundreds of millions
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of dollars. And if you think that's crazy, as we
told you yesterday, the original animated snow White, released in
nineteen thirty seven, made four billion dollars in modern day dollars,
so it basically funded the Disney Corporation and made it
the huge success that it was in Walt Disney's era. Now,
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my wife last night we're driving back from dinner, and
we went to a songwriter event, which was really fun.
Ten Pans South, one of the events that they do
here in town where everybody explains how they came to
write the songs that they did. Very cool in Nashville.
And my wife said, I think you're wrong about who
should have been cast as snow White. She said, Rachel
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Zegler clearly the wrong choice. And then we got into
my big thing, which is Gal Gadot is actually better
looking than Rachel Zegler. You can't have you agree with
me on that.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Well, yeah, but I think she's too old to be
snow White. Isn't snow White supposed to be?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
But yeah, but the sorry you all back, I'm fired
enough about this. I really am fired enough about this.
Mack taking you back to the nineteen thirty seven snow White.
The entire premise of snow White is that snow White
has replaced the evil step Mother as the fairest in
all the land. So I don't buy off the face
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that Gal Gadot is worse looking than snow White. Right,
So the entire premise of the movie doesn't happen if
the evil step Queen stepmother Queen is it is actually
still better looking than snow white? But I said, I
think I said it on the air. I know, I
tweeted it that Sidney Sweeney should have been cast as
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snow White. My wife says that this is me being
clouded by Sidney Sweeney's boobs. She says that Sidney Sweeney
is far too buxhom to use a word that will
probably make bucks and happy, far too buckshom to have
actually played snow white. So it got me thinking, I'm
sure that we're gonna be deluged right now. Who would
(30:09):
have been? I would stick to my Sidney Sweeney choice.
I think it would have been excellent. I think the
movie would have made a billion dollars, and I think
that she would be a fabulous snow White. My wife says,
I am beclouded potentially by Sidney Sweeney's deakeelatage. I'm trying
to use as many different words for boobs as I
can here buck who would have been a better choice?
(30:32):
And I pushed back against my wife. I said, you remember,
Lindsey Lohan made a lot of money in those Herbie
and the love Bug movies, uh back in the day,
and she was quite the bucks some last uh, and
it was not considered to be too body. So who
would have been the appropriate choice for snow white? Buck?
Do you have a name? Producer, Ali, do you have
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a name? If they had given the Clay and Buck
show carda blanche here to pick the next snow white,
who could have been the pick to make a billion dollars?
I think it's Sidney Sweeney. Do you have a better name?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I'm not as I'm first of all, I'm definitely not
getting in the crossfire here of whether you.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Are too influenced by Sidney Sweeney's boobs. And that's it.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
It's characterizing the choice here. I do not want to
be near the shrapnel from this one. So whatever, however,
you decide to go this one. I And so there's that.
The my thing on the Sidney Sweeney, I'm sorry. On
the Rachel Zeglars, now, I'm thinking.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
That, Yeah, there you go, you're getting clouded too. Can't
they can't get can't get away? Rachel made a billion dollar.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
The Rachel Zeglar component of this is and I don't
say this to be mean, I mean, I just look,
there are some roles in you know, it's unfortunate. I
am not going to make a living as an underwear model,
you know what I mean? Like I I wish, I
wish things were different, but that's not gonna happen. And
I accept that in life, Like I don't have a
six pack working on it, but I don't have a
six pack, and that's just not gonna happened. I'm an
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older guy. I think that snow White should be pretty,
like really pretty, and I don't think that this was
a good casting choice for that reason.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
For me, it's just you she had Rachel Zegler is
not good looking enough per Buck Sexton to be snow White, correct, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
That is That's my take on it. So I could
go with any number of different Who is the uh Anna?
You know, like you know Anna de Armas? I think
is is?
Speaker 5 (32:25):
That?
Speaker 6 (32:25):
Is?
Speaker 5 (32:25):
That? Her name?
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Very pretty? Now she's a little you know.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I also don't want to get into the ageism thing here,
but she might be a little bit old, do you
know what I'm talking about? No, you don't know Anada Armas.
She played She just was who did she? She just
played Marilyn Monroe. I think okay, And so you know
that to me, if you're you're investing, or you could
go sort of more the you know, the the younger.
(32:49):
I don't know how I look. It's a cartoon. I
mean snow White, she falls in love with the prince.
You know, you gotta let's assume snow White is I
don't know, nineteen or twenty. You know, I think that's
probably a pretty good if we're trying to throw it
in the in the range here of what you could
have somebody that age player who's just a really good
actress and really pretty and do a really good job.
You know, I don't think I don't think that Rachel
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Zegler is enough of a draw. Somebody pointed out one
of our VIPs that she was in The West Side Story,
which also she starred in that Bomb as well. Like
how many bombs are you allowed to start in before
people start to realize you are not the draw that
the executives who make these decisions think they are. You know,
just like a lot of things, people are figuring this
(33:31):
out about medicine, about you know, legal minds, about a
lot there are a lot of morons who are movie executives.
They don't know anything. All they want to do is
keep their job. Because their job ultimately is overpaid and
easy to do but hard to get, which is true
of a lot of these sort of senior level corporate jobs.
It's tough to get. But once you have it, all
you're trying to do is keep it because you know,
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you go to meetings, you're like, Yo, we should a
green light this, you know whatever. And so I think
that you have to look at these kinds of decisions
that Disney has made. Understand these people were They didn't
build Disney. This is a common thing with leftist as well.
The people that are making the decisions there now they
inherited Disney and they are driving it into the ground
same way like Gavin Newsom took over the state of
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California and is just making it worse all the time.
He didn't build Hollywood and Silicon Valley. He took it
over and ruined it. They're ruining Disney the execs that
are running it the same way.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Ali producer Ali come up on the mic if you can,
do you agree with Laura that Sidney Sweeney's boobs are
too big to play snow White? Have I been led
astray in my casting decision here? Well, Claire, you're definitely
looking in the other direction. I'm susceptible to influence, you think,
maybe on the casting decisions. She does have that really
beautiful alabaster skin. Sidney Sweeney does. Yeh, yeah she does.
(34:49):
Dakota Fanning does too. Okay, that was your suggestion, Dakota
Fanning and Buck I'll sign off on this. I don't.
I don't, I legit didn't don't know who this person is.
And I'm not claiming, by the way, to be that
plugged in on many modern day movies because I'm not
out as much added to armis. But it's actually a
really good call. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I think it's because it's is this someone, This is movies,
This is fantasy. You want to really look at her
face on the screen.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Okay, this is.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
This is the business. And I know we're like getting
away from this these days. And it's interesting too. You know,
there's the whole like body positivity thing ten years ago,
which everybody's oh, you know, maybe even sooner than more
recently than that, and now with all these different drugs
people can take, you have these celebrities who are look
on body positive and now they weigh like one hundred pounds.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Please focused on the apples. What happened to, Uh yeah,
Ali jumping in and saying that I'm focused on the apples.
It is true the but yeah, you're right the body positive.
As soon as ozempic started, body positivity didn't exist anymore.
Everybody wanted to get skinny. Everybody like, hey, I'm super fat,
but I'm really positive about the way I look. No,
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people are taking being ozimbic like crazy if they can
afford it. And the body positivity thing, which by the way,
isn't very healthy, right, Like this whole idea of putting
people who are morbidly obese on fitness magazine and being like, oh,
this person is like superbody positive. I think maybe you
should be a little bit less body positive and try
(36:19):
and get healthier. Just an idea. Yes, it's actually not help.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I would say, I practice what I preach with this one.
It is not good. You don't want to sit down
with your doctor and have them say, hey, you're trending
toward pre diabetes. You don't want to have that conversation.
You know, you don't want to find out that some
of your blood and your health markers are going south
on you, because you're going to pay the price no
matter what some celebrity says. So you know, not everybody
(36:44):
has to Like I said, you don't have to be
a bikini or an underwear model. A guy girl doesn't.
Matt Well, I mean guys you know, only don't wear bikinis.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
But you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
It's not about being perfect. It's not about keeping yourself
at some unrealistic level of expectation. It's just about being
healthy and getting the most out of your day to
day out of your life. And people that tell you
that it doesn't matter anything that you know. However, if
someone looks is totally fine, they're lying to them and
they're not being honest with them with themselves about what
the long term issues are. But back to you, like,
(37:11):
who's hot enough to play snow White? I can't believe
we've been having this conversation. Look for me, Clay, it's
it's even beyond. The funniest thing is still the Dwarfs.
That they got rid of the Dwarves, and.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I think they should be really mad at Peter Dinklice,
the guy who got to play Tyrian Lanister. He's gotten
every good dwarf role for the entire like last generation.
And then he tells the people who were acted the
tiny ladder up behind him. You know what I mean,
that's nice. Yeah, totally just totally like destroyed these seven
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dwarf actors who aren't going to ever have the opportunity.
Maybe you go out and I don't know, you kill
it as dopey or doc and next thing you know,
you're you're the next Tyrian Lanister character. The fact that
they made to avoid offending people, they didn't let actual
dwarves play the dwarves and instead they made commuter computer
(38:07):
animated versions of them, which is just to me kind of.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
The peak of the woke absurdity, right, I mean, this
is a bit like how in order like they in
order to truly support women, the left feminist movement, in
its final stages here has decided that men can be
women the same way any women can, and in doing
so completely undermine women, women's rights, women's sports, etc.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Right, it goes to the ultimate conclusion of the destruction
of the thing that it supposedly supports and cares about.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
The most ridiculous woke Disney move ever. And I still
think this is steric. But by the way, you can
talk back if you think we're crazy on this. Do
you remember when they decided that the African animals had
to have black voices or else it would be cultural
appropriation when they remade the Lion King. This is one
of the most crazy parts of this. They said that
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if it's not a black voice the animal, it is
cultural appropriation. For instance, for a lion, which is from
Africa to not be voiced by a black person in America,
it is That was like, next, I don't even know
how you get your head around how crazy that is.
They were concerned that a lion having a white voice
(39:24):
would be cultural appropriation, so they had black, you know,
American actors the.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Original Lion King. There was criticism because the one of
the hyenas was was voiced by Whoopi Goldberg and Scar
they say, is you know Scar, the lion is gay?
And so there was this whole Oh, there's these subliminal
messages of who the bad like, who the bad guys
or bad people are and it's like, these are cartoons.
It's a cartoon, yes, lion guys, the cartoon hyena like
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that is not really but people get very excited about
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Reaction pouring in Brian's got a funny one here, Buck,
I believe the obvious choice for snow White would be
Dylan mulvaney. That would I mean, if they had cast
a dude as snow White, that would have been Peaked Disney.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
That would have been I'm gonna tell you this, As
much as that would be insane and like the destruction
of Western civilization happening in real time, I would almost
respect Disney's Hootspot with that one.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
I'd say, Wow, Wow, they're going to do They're going
all in like that.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
That would be that would be just just clacking off
the explosives to bring down the Magic Kingdom all at once.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
I mean, that would just be Wow, that would be
really really funny. Yet, but yes, I mean, why not
go ahead and be as expansive as possible for UH
to be able to set that up? It would be
really really funny to see that happen. And by the way,
producer Ali deluged UH in reaction.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
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Speaker 1 (41:01):
Andrew in Winston Salem, North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
You're up first, Well.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
Hey, thanks guys, first time been able to get into y'all.
I've been tried many times, but this is the number
one news station or news radio in the country right here.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Hey man, thank you for listening.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
Yeah, oh, absolutely so. My casting choice would be Sabrina
Carpenter for snow White. I think she has caught the
apple of the American eyes and many different demographics. I
think she handles herself really well and is not afraid
to make fun of herself. I think she would promote
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snow White much better than miss Zegler. And there's a
lot of people in the music industry icons that want
to work with her and have like Paul Simon, and
I'm sure Dolly Parton wants to work with her in
the future.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
I thank you, though, who thank you so much for
the call.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Do you know who Sabrina Carpenter is. I've never heard
of her, nor have I ever seen her before.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
She is insanely famous musician, So that is really funny
that you have never heard of her. It's like the
Morgan Wallen situation on MOD and.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
I just do one of those. Is she a country
music person?
Speaker 3 (42:14):
I'm not an first of all, I am tone deaf,
so I am not a great judge of incredible singing
talent or anything else. But she is one of the
most famous young singers out there right now, so I
think that she would likely potentially do very well. She's pretty,
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she's got that sort of alabaster skin. Careful, the peanut
butter skin line. You were gonna say that. I knew
you were going to talk about that quote from I
don't know. I don't know if I ever talk about
the color skin of somebody in a positive way. So
the alabaster skin line is just you know, she's she's white.
(42:56):
I mean snow white is white as as as a
big part of her appeal. And it's like not a
super tan skin but uh, but it is very funny
in and of itself. And uh, and there are a
lot of people she is a called a pop princess.
She was the she's a Grammy nominee. She's very very
popular at at this point in time. So I don't
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know the first element here. You've never heard of Sabrina Carpenter,
never heard of her before, So I clearly I don't know.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I just don't I'm not that connected to the pop
culture these days April in Salt Lake City, where we
are number one, and we love you salt Lake for
listening to us. Thank you so much. What's going on, April?
Speaker 6 (43:39):
Hi?
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Hi, my favorite men?
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Hello?
Speaker 5 (43:43):
Hi, Hey, I was just thinking that Julia Butters would
be a really good choice. She's got that perfect complexion.
She's fairs of.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Them all, but she could be very tan as well.
She's known for like Gabby in Criminal Mind. So she
does the.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Role of Ella in a prime video series Transparent.
Speaker 6 (44:08):
She's been known for Once upon a.
Speaker 7 (44:10):
Time in Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
She's really really.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
Cute, good looking actress. I sent you a picture of
her on Facebook Messenger.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Okay, I thank you.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
You have great taste in radio, and we know that
since you say we're your favorite men, you've got great
taste in men. So I'm assuming Julia Butters is an
excellent choice.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Once again, I don't even know. I've never heard of
this person before, have you.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
I had to look her up. I didn't know who
she was, but she does have a snow white look
about her. I tend to think this would be, you know,
kind of an opportunity where somebody just calls somebody calls
in there like the agent for the individual.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
I think, unfortunately the moment has passed because they're not
going to make another snow White movie.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
For a very maybe for the rest of the life
of anybody out there that is here. By the way,
I put up a poll, and I'm probably gonna get
get dunked on by my wife for this, but I
have a poll up right now. Is my wife right,
am I distracted by Sidney Sweeney's booze and not making
rational choices? Or would Sidney Sweeney in the role of
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snow White have made the movie a billion dollars? You
can all go vote in this right now. Eighty seven
percent of you say Sidney Sweeney would have made this
a billion dollar franchise. So maybe many of you are
also in the audience out there, thousands of you voting
at Clay Travis on Twitter. Maybe you are also similarly
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bedazzled by her decolotage. But most of you are agreeing
with me right now, which Laura Travis will still will
still argue the other way, but that is out there
on the big Pole day as well.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
Well.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
I think that maybe this is getting too deep into
the philosophy of this, but I think that the the left,
including the crew, you know, the left. It used to
be predominantly when they were in charge of Hollywood, and
they still are, but things are changing or Hollywood's not
what it used to be. Yeah, they had left wing politics,
but they would have the people they would put forward
who are supposed to be good looking.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
We're very good looking.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
I think that the left opposes excellence and beauty as
a general thing, excellence as a general concept, and I
think that they are increasingly they find beauty to be exclusionary,
where you know, it's an exclusive category and therefore it's
not inclusive and therefore it can't be a good thing,
which is why we have, you know, these campaigns of
(46:35):
like very basically very autottractive and weird looking people to
sell clothing for example, which I started in recent Like
this all comes from so there's something psychologically that pushes this.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
But this is all failed.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
They tried to say, oh no, this is going to
expand our that's a lie. It actually fails dramatically because
people when you're talking about things where you're buying into
it for the brand, for the story, there should be
there's an aspirational quality to this, right, Like when I
buy an under armor shirt. I'm not going to look
like bo Jackson in his prime in my under armor shirt.
(47:08):
You know, I mean, I good, good recall there, Yeah,
thank you, Yeah, but I'm not going to look like him.
But I still you know, you aspire to that brand
and you see this and there's sort of a signaling
in your brain of like, well, I want to be
a part of that in some way.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Same thing is true with like leading ladies in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
You're you know, you're we're allowed to be like, oh,
this is a very beautiful and alluring person who is
on the silver screen, and you know it.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Doesn't have to be.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
All pulled down into the sort of the hoy peloi
and the day to day of everything.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
The best example of this buck is Victoria's Secret. Victoria's
Secret for a generation sold, Hey, we want we have
these beautiful women wearing lingerie, and everybody understands that they're
not going to look probably as beautiful as the average
Victoria's Secret supermodel, but is an aspirational desire. And they decided,
(48:02):
for body positivity reasons, we're going to start having basically
normal women modeling the lingerie. And you know what happened
sales collapsed because people are looking at like, I don't
I want to aspire to be something that I am not, right,
like the entire aspect of whether you like it or not,
of selling gear to your point, like men wear shoes
(48:27):
because they hope they're going to jump as high as
Michael Jordan. Is that ridiculous, Yes, But the aspiration is
that you can be something like someone who is not normal.
You can aspire to also be a better version of yourself.
And so they weigh at this.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
The way that this I think is manifested in the
psychology and the philosophy of the left, the Democrat party,
is that they are inherently uncomfortable with and want to
suppress excellence. As I said, because it is exclusive, right,
So to be excellent anything means you have to be
(49:04):
elite or better than others in the category, right, Yeah,
to be an excellent classical musician, flute, to be an
excellent you know, to be a beauty queen, to be
it's the entire foundation of sports, right, This is why
men and women's sports is so important, right, perfect example
of this. So they're you know, you can either elevate
(49:24):
what is excellent and give people something aspirational as a society,
or you can pull everybody down by destroying merit and
excellence in whatever ways that you can, because then they're
easier to control because they're demoralized, and society is now
just one, just one sort of formless mass of people
who want to be safe and warm and fed and
(49:45):
never aspire to anything. And this is this is how
the psychology of a left manifests itself more and more
in art, which I think, instead of elevating people, brings
people down, which is a very fancy way of saying,
this is why they turned against hot chicks. You see
what I there, I stuck the landing.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
It's also I think we talked about this a little
bit yesterday, but I do think that you said, Rachel
Zegler not good enough looking to be snow white. I
think that's not a bad argument. I mean, this is
an incredibly beautiful.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
I like how your tiptoe on the clays like, I'm
not sure I'm going to take the heat on that
one with you, buddy.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
I think, by the way, I would one billion percent
welcome Daily Mail mediaite headline. Clay Travis, fat ugly radio
guy says that Rachel Zegler is not good looking enough
to be snow white. I will second your take, that
was your first take. I will sign on to and
I will co sign it.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
But the part that I think is ridiculous is they
decided to go with a Latina snow white, which I
think we have to end this race based craziness.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
Right. We talked about this a little bit yesterday. But
I do hope because Hollywood is such a copycat, copy
copycat place, that this idea of having historic figures that
are defined in some way by their physical appearance and
claiming that it doesn't matter to your point, the black
female Viking warrior, Yeah, that didn't happen, right, Like Bridgerton, Hey,
(51:15):
this is set in a seventeenth or eighteenth century palace
in London. I'm sorry, Like everybody there was white by
and large, unless there's some visiting you know, foreign country
emissary there. So you telling me, hey, we're trying to
deconstruct history by just having people play roles that they
(51:36):
could have never played. It takes me completely out of
the story. Much like and I'm going to get more
heat for this musicals Like I don't want people to
start singing. I like plays I was looking. I'm gonna
be up in New York recently. Buck, I'm going to
go see Othello with Denzel Washington and Jay Gillenhall playing,
which I think will be an amazing Broadway play. They're
(51:58):
doing previews for it right now. I like historic Shakespeare,
I like plays. I might even go see the I'm
gonna get heat for this when I'm up there. I
might even go see this new George Clooney uh Broadway
play which is about uh, the Edward R. Murrow I think,
or somebody back in the fifties who was a newscaster.
(52:19):
And I know George Clooney is a super left wing guy,
but he's pretty talent actor, I think, And I know
Denzel Washington is one of the greatest actors of his generation.
I would like to see him on a stage see
I like, I like.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
I like arguing the when I can. I don't think
George Clooney is a very good actor. I think he
I think he's plays the same thing and everything he's in.
I think he's very one note. So I'm just I'm
gonna throw a flag on this one. Is he handsway
all right? He's handsome?
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Sure? Is he is he a good actor?
Speaker 1 (52:46):
Though, I've never seen George Clooney in anything where I've gone,
oh yeah, he really like leaned into that one.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
It's always the same thing.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
He's like, look at me, I'm so handsome, looking at
my square jaw.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
I'm not into it. I don't have a problems. He's
not a full mallogion either. He's not full of allusion.
Let's be honest, mallusions better looking than Clooney. I agree
with you there. I think, can we go to the archives.
I think Trump came on the show and ripped George
Clooney with the exact same take that you have last year.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
I think I think I agree on everything, Clay. I
think I think Trump came on and said he's a
TV guy, he's not really a movie star. He didn't
have that good of a career. I think I think
Trump came on the show it said that about George Clooney.
See if we can track that doubt in the archives.
I'm gonna go watch the play and I'm gonna go
watch you agree with me on Denzel like one of
the greatest actors, one of the tenors of his generation.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Yes, Denzel's phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Yeah, and so I'm gonna go watch that, I think
in a couple of weeks when I'm up in New
York City and uh, and my point on that is excellence.
I want to see excellence, and I don't. I would
not go see again. Do you see my.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Point though about when when you look at when you
look at authoritarian and totalitarian societies, they people are all
demoralized and all they're allowed to aspire to is the
will of the state.
Speaker 5 (54:07):
There.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
This is why you know art is crushed, religion is crushed.
You can't you can't aspire to have or not beautiful
right like looking buildings. Absolutely there there is a this
is a auty.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
Across the across the entire platform of the of the authoritaries.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Because because then people just that they just want whatever
the most basic things are and they don't want to
be attacked, and they don't they don't want to be different,
and because there is nothing to aspire to, because there
is nothing that you want to become, uh or or
that you want to try to emulate in some way
in your own life. You just whatever the state, whatever
sort of gruel the state dishes out on your plate
(54:51):
that is your life. And this is what you see
in like former Soviet block architecture. And you know, people
would talk about some of the the Soviets, you know,
they made things a little more complicated because they took
you know, brilliant artists like Tchaikowski for example, and they
had the Bolshoy, the ballet, the state funded ballet.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
But that was all done before this.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
You know, that was all done before Stalin came along, right,
these they didn't produce any good artwork except for dissident writers,
which tells you something in the twentieth century. So the
attack on beauty and the destruction of it as a
concept in whether it's physicality, architecture, music, all these things,
it is actually part of a collectivist and authoritarian playbook.
(55:33):
I mean, it always is, right, let me tell you go.
Not a lot of interesting new artwork being created in.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
China these days.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Everything that you think of is Chinese culture that's you know,
interesting and worthwhile. That's before mao, since maw nothing new.
They just copy our stuff in our technology. But I
mean there's nothing new, and there's a reason.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
For that, all right.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
I got a little fired off about this one. But
we need we needed to take We need to take
this out of the Clay Sydney Sweeney zone for a second.
Speaker 3 (56:04):
Here, you're a funny you were you were. She would
have made a billion, She would have made a billion dollars.
I'm just trying to help Disney out, trying to help
the company out. They won't listen to me.
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