June 15, 2025 • 44 mins
Are women height-ist? The data says yes. Other radio hosts, male and female, weigh in.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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gone megaviral there and I feel bad for the short
(00:22):
dudes out there that are gonna have to hear this,
but you all know it to be true. We always
talk about like the privilege pyramid, or you know, they
always want to say, oh, white privilege. You and I Buck,
I think are in agreement that the number one privilege
in America today is pretty girl privilege. Right, if you
are a good looking woman, you are automatically elevated above
(00:46):
everybody else, no matter what your your gender is, no
matter what your wealth is. That I think is the
number one privilege in America today. I would say that
the thing that men are most judged for is actually
more significant and more anti privileged than anything that women
are judged for. And that is what the data has
(01:08):
shown on the dating apps. Women will not date short men.
And I'll give you an example of this from my
own life. My wife Laura. We have been married for
twenty one years. Almost twenty one years, and I asked
her once, she's five to two. Let me repeat that
(01:28):
she is five to two. I said, would you have
dated me if I were five eight? She said, no,
probably not. She's five to two. Buck she could wear heels,
and if I were five to eight I would still
be clearly quite significantly taller than her, unless they're the
craziest heels ever. She is, I'm seven. I'm six foot
(01:49):
all right, So I have been good spot there. But
then you confessed that your own wife, who you just
had a baby with, confess to you what about height situations?
I was the I was the bottom of the acceptable.
I am also six feet. By the way, Clay and
I are the same height. I mean, depends on how
swooped my hair or his hair is in any given day.
(02:10):
But we're thein certainly like a half inch of each other,
and we stand up back to back, we're both about
six feet tall. Okay. My wife has told me, she's like, yeah,
you're basically like you. It was like I was, you know,
when they do the tall enough for the ride at
the amusement park, I was tall. I was just barely
tall enough to date, so she almost eliminated you for
not being How tall is your wife? Oh, she's five three?
(02:32):
I mean you've her are basically in other words, yes,
my wife's five two years about five three. I understand
for women out there, if you're like five to nine,
I understand why you might want to date a guy taller.
This is not our sitution. We need to set some
we need to set some parameters in everybody. And there's
a bigger conversation or two, which is that marriage formation
is down. A lot of guys are and a lot
(02:54):
of women are taking themselves out of this sort of
marriage formation pool. There are a lot of people who are, uh,
you know, not pairing up who say they want to.
I'm not talking about you. If you if you choose
you don't want to do it. If you want to
become a monk. Okay, wait, there's always exceptions, So please
don't call and be like I have been living in
a monastery for thirteen years. I love this life. It's
(03:14):
like I get it, okay, But for most people, we're
going to exclude a few things. Because this is my
friend Jedediah Bilah was the one who shared out the
data on this one and Jedediah. She likes to you know,
you know, she was on the View, she was on
Fox for many years. She uh, she you know, likes
to sort of give it, give it tough to both sides,
I would say, And in terms of the dating and
(03:35):
the social stuff, you know, to the guys the girls.
And she just pointed this out that there's there's the
data has a real there's a real problem with this
data now. And I want to argue that this is
a new thing. I think it is a new thing,
relative relatively new thing. Here's women who are saying I
won't date a guy shorter than me, that I get
so much so that I would say, I I think
(03:57):
maybe once or twice I was on a date with
a woman who was base basically my height. Didn't like it.
I didn't like it. I'm just a preference thing. Everybody.
You could say, that's I just I'm not. I wouldn't
dat a woman who's six to two, you know, like
it doesn't mean she's not attractive, but I wouldn't want
a data a woman who's taller than me. Yeah, like,
you know, I don't want to feel like she could
beat me in a game of one. On one. You
know what I'm saying, Like, I just this is not
(04:19):
really what I'm looking for. So but but we're not
talking about that. The data shows that eighty five percent
of women online. Let me repeat this, eighty five percent
of women have a problem with and don't want to
date a man who is uh five eight or shorter.
(04:42):
And five eight is a very interesting metric because that
is average height. Basically, right, it's five eight, five nine.
It is like the average guy's height. Mar I mean, okay, yeah,
maybe it's five nine, but like that is average male height. Yes,
eighty five percent of women online say that they will
not date a guy who is average or less than
(05:05):
average height. And that excludes all other factors. I'm just
gonna say it. There's also a thing where men online
it's a in terms of their rating of attractiveness of women.
It's a bell curve. They think, you know, if they
think twenty percent of women, they're really not you know,
twenty percent. Twenty percent, Oh pretty good, I mean, and
(05:26):
it goes all the way up to oh my gosh,
twenty percent. Amazing like my dream woman. Right, women, it's
like seventy Again, this is the data. Don't argue with me. Okay,
I'll give you the citations. This is This is millions
and millions of swipes and data on bumble, on Okay, Cupid,
on all the don't don't So don't call in and
say well, I'm short or I'm tall, and no, no, there's
(05:48):
a This is about what's happening in the aggregate millions
and millions of times across the country. Clay, I just
got so excited I forgot where I will. But this
is in Dick my argument. I'm gonna take get even
further than you. So if you're angry about anything, you
should reach out to Buck because he's responsible for all
of these opinions. I actually think women, Oh I'm sorry
(06:11):
real quick, just I don't want to women. Basically, women
think that like ten to fifteen percent of men are
good looking and all other men are ugly. That's what
the data actually shows, which is insane. Again, men, it's
a bell curve. Men live in the reality here of
like you know. And and also they're far more willing
to go on a date women. Now I understand biologically,
you don't have to explain this. Jordan Peterson could show
(06:32):
up and tell me like I get it. They have
to be choosier, and there's a different thing and there's
a different imperative with that. Fine, but eighty percent of
guys are not ugly. You know, this is crazy. So
I think women are more This is nobody will tell
you this. I think I'm right on this. I think
women are more selective of men in terms of what
(06:53):
they must have than men are of women. In other words,
let me explain this clip that one and share that
one out team like it. Here's my theory on this.
Guys will fall in love with particular body parts on women.
This is one. Every guy has got a guy also
their personalities clay, Okay, I'm talking about the first time
(07:15):
they see them. Every guy has a friend who is
obsessed with long legs. Every guy has a friend who
likes butts. Every guy has a friend and he cannot lie. Yes,
every guy has a friend who like likes boops. Other
guys are like, I don't even care about anything else.
All I want is a really, really pretty face. And
(07:36):
you'll hear be like that girl weighs three hundred pounds,
be like, yeah, but she's got a really pretty face.
Like there are guys. Whatever attribute you have as a woman.
There are guys out there that are into it. There
are people buck who love feet. I don't even understand this,
Like have you seen her ankles? No, no, it's not
eighteen forty a little bit of a different category's feet.
(07:59):
I think there's the guys back in the day. By
the way, this is funny. Do you know what was
considered scandalous in the I used to give tours of
the United States Capitol when I was in college. It
was considered scandalous. This is amazing because the people who
would sit in the gallery at the Senate and at
the House. Do you know how women would get men's
(08:21):
attention who were on like the congressmen and the senators.
How would they be alluring to show a little ankle?
Is this like Saudi Arabia? They would show their ankles
and the men below would look up and they would
be like, that is the best looking I'm kidding about this.
Like Sam Houston back in the day, he's on the
h he's on the floor there, Davy Crockett. They would
(08:43):
they would be talking off off the off the floor.
They'd be like, did you see the set of ankles
on Tilda in the front row of the of the
House of represent I'm telling you this is men. There
are men who are into everything. I don't think there
is an equivalent for women like the height thing. If
you are I'm sorry, if you are short and bald,
(09:06):
you better have an incredible job. You better be you
better be killing it because a lot of women out
there are like, yeah, I don't like his hair. He
doesn't have any hair. I mean, this was the George
Costanza thing back in the day. There is no equivalent
for women of the short bald man. And this ties
in on your point about the whole dating app world
(09:28):
has created an artificial worldview, Buck, I've been talking about this.
I can't get over it. There are tons of successful
women out there who are choosing because they can't find
a man. They are going to sperm donors and they're
flipping through just picking a non actual human right that
they're going to interact with to have a baby with.
(09:51):
The person is a human, but they're never going to
interact with him based solely on the data on the page, Like, hey,
he got a fifteen hundred on the SAT and he
went to ya, and he's six too, and he's got
blue eyes and hair. That's my guy and you never
meet him because you're trying to create a version of
a man that you can't meet in real life. But
also the height thing, is it diminishing returns to like
(10:13):
do seven footers clean out? I think it's a diminishing return.
I think most women would say that the ideal height
window is like six foot to six four. After six'
four you become too tall and awkward and gangly for.
Them they want like six foot to sixty. Four this
is me analyzing, women and then you get too. Tall
but to your, POINT i saw you tweet, this AND
(10:35):
i do think it's the most important aspect here is
it's the only. THING i guess baldness is the. Other
height and baldness are the only thing you can judge
someone for that they virtually have no control. Over if
a guy's, like, HEY i was gonna date, her but she's,
fat people would be, like, oh can you get a
(10:56):
load to? Him like if a guy on a dating
app wrote, no girls would be, like you can control your.
Weight on some, LEVEL i was reading this morning the.
Buck they now have the what's the peptides or? Whatever
the glue the glue, tides whatever that thing is that. Glph,
yeah did you See Eli lilly announced today they now
(11:17):
have it in pill. Form you're not even gonna have
to inject yourself on that stuff. Anymore you can just
take a pill which will guarantee that you lose weight
and eat less and everything. Else but you can work
to and change everything by and, large except for, hair
and except for. Height and it's the things women care.
About here's. You you've lined this. UP i think that
(11:37):
height is the most superficial metric that a person can care.
About and yet all women have somehow become an you,
know all women have some AND i say all, WOMEN
i know not all of. You, okay some of you
are married to great guys who are five to, three
and that's. Wonderful but this has become a thing in our.
Culture AND i think this is my. Theory it's because
(11:59):
we're all sort of metrics and online. Obsessed. Now it's
about social. Media it's about posting your you, know your
boyfriend or your husband On instagram and he towers over.
You and, like there's this sense CAUSE i DON'T i
understand wanting a partner to be. FIT i understand wanting
a partner to be smart or to have an attractive
face all that. Stuff of, course this is, dating this is,
mating that's how it. Goes but to be, LIKE i,
(12:21):
mean there's actually a meme that was going or a
little videos going around then it was of someone who
was like a woman and she's, saying you, know he's six,' four,
criminal record, no problem Speaks, no english no problem like
and even the DIFFERENCE between i think it was six
one and six', four was, like you, Know six' one
i'll deal with Your annoying and i'll deal with an
(12:41):
annoying mother in law, Like six one i'll. But six,'
four you know you may. Be AN axe murderer but
i think we. Still have a drink so are we?
Crazy on this one let's take some calls some of.
Ladies on this one do you agree with us or do?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Think?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
This is this is are you seeing this those you have?
Daughters or? Granddaughters too is it is it bigger among?
Them than, it was i'm like you think about like
a lot of the, Biggest Actors, five eight tom, cruise like, five,
seven you know, yeah this is ay but they have
women that make them look. Bigger than, they are. So
Yes It's, true like tom cruise some of. THESE guys
(13:14):
are little i think the big best point you made
is this is, What the data shows like the. Anecdote
doesn't really matter i'm sure there are, exceptions to the
data but it's actually quite CLEAR that, women are i
think more judgmental of men's physical appearances than men. ACTUALLY
are of women i saw a. Funny meme yesterday, too
by the way, on the same level how much have
(13:37):
you read buck Over the years about, barbie and, unrealistic
uh you know like, physical expectations, For Women YOU. Know
tom barby k have you ever seen an Article about
like he man or or Any number. Of basically superman
superheros have you ever seen a story About how unrealistic
he man's Body type and like, superman's body type is
(13:59):
and how it is so destructive to young men Who
know because he man would have to be on massive
doses of it's impossible, to A large extent like. Barbie's
body is impossible i've, never, seen anyone argue oh this,
Is unfortunate for men like how in the world can they?
Get out of bed. THEY have unrealistic expectations i think
(14:19):
we have a one way street on. A lot of
this we are Deluged with responses after, buck shared the
data which is true that women are horribly. Discriminating against
short men and if in fact you wanted, to talk
about privilege maybe, number one pretty privilege maybe, number TWO
hype privilege because i think it. Goes across race gender,
(14:41):
for men in particular can you think of something, where,
you'd be like hey what's more valuable than being? Six foot,
OR taller, for men, I mean obviously intelligence i'm talking.
ABOUT just physical attributes i think, you probably go, HEIGHT
and for women i think You probably go pretty and
those are, probably the two biggest. Best most valuable, assets
now for men you could also say there are, things,
you work for. Right Wealth obviously factors and ali has
(15:04):
been saying off air that she thinks this is just
straight biology because historically women have wanted bigger men because
they protect them better. Than SMALLER men do and i
think that's, probably true on average not to say you
can't be five to, four and YOU know an incredible
ufc fighter back in the day, in the caveman era
but probably being six four goliath styles probably a little bit. More, Of,
(15:26):
an advantage yeah yes perhaps it's interesting to see that
you know a lot, of women are actually as we
see the listeners weighing, in on, this, One they're Like
look i'm not i'm not picky about a man's a.
Man's you know HAIR amn's this that i don't? NEED a,
six PACK i don't but i do. Have a height
(15:48):
requirement so many women. Have a height REQUIREMENT this. IS
what I mean i. Think i've perfect that what you were
saying is your wife is five to three. Minus five
to two both of them have told us they would
have dated us if. We were, five eight well no
and then clearly we both just barely were tall enough for.
THE amusement park ride i do there is no. Male
(16:10):
equivalent to this there. IS no male equivalent i don't think,
to women's height again because, men like, tall women, short women.
Big women small women, like whatever you are there is
a man out there that will be. In LOVE with,
YOU like i said i still love the, idea we
come back we'll update you, on everything going on and
we'll take your calls and. We'll HAVE some fun but
i still love the idea of back in the eighteen
(16:32):
hundred's the ankle thing on the on the balcony overlooking,
this is how men are you? Got a great Ankle
we'll find You sunday Hang. With, clay and bucks ali
You are married to gerard, and He is FABULOUS and
buck and i are both very. Big fans of His?
How tall is girard.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Gerard is, Six' four six'?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Four?
Speaker 1 (16:53):
AND how tall are?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
You ally, i am five three?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
All right you are.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Five three we have said prior. My wife is five
to two. Buck's wife is five to three that both
of them have told us, that if we were five
eight we would not have been their dating. PARTNER and
not their married, partner i will, Say, this too by
the way black. My mom is five to. FOUR my
dad is six three i bet if, MY dad HAD
been five. Eight i bet i wouldn't. EXIST just tossing
(17:19):
that out there i have never asked my mom if
she would have dated. Him if he was. Five eight
she may be. Listening She, can Let me know but ali,
if gerard had been five eight would you have ever
started dating him? As? A, five foot?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
THREE woman oh wow you too i was Also. Attracted to?
Other things about gerard.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Uh, huh if he was five?
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Eight?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Would you? Have? Dated him, yes, FIVE six oh MY
goodness yes i think she's. I think she's lying TO
us i think because when i brought this up as
we went to break at, the end of the. Last, Hour, She,
FIVE to four, Oh clay oh. I can answer. THERE'S
no way. THERE'S no Way, i don't believe i think. Ali,
(18:02):
He was Under six feet ali. I'LL get I'LL give
you this i don't. I understand like male. Female dynamic
i understand if women although some women don't mind if
a guy who there are women who don't mind if
a guy, shorter than especially if they're like if you're six, foot,
tall woman now in heels, right you're six? Three ish
right probably six three would you rather be a super? Tall,
WOMAN or a short man oh i think you. Had
(18:25):
to choose super tall woman you'd rather be a six
foot five woman than. LIKE a, Five to four man
i mean i'm identifying now as a six foot. SIX
here five women would be i mean that's like A
you're like bigger THAN a wnba center at that I think.
THAT aren't the w, nba center i mean you're like
you're a giant woman if, you're, like, SIX two or
bigger like right i mean that's. Very very right for
(18:47):
a woman it's. Like being a, SEVEN foot man SO
you know i think, it's i, think it's you know
women anyway some. WOMEN will DATE short of them i
DON'T i understand a woman saying i don't want to. Date,
a guy shorter than me again what the data shows
is that women like an amusement park ride, have in
their minds at least and it shows that they act
(19:08):
on this when it comes to. Online dating a height,
cut off.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
And every nature show every nature show you watch shows
the species, and how they attract each other and the
male birds will puff up and the lizards. Will, make
their gills Go larger.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Whatever you know, what i'm saying but.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
To, me that's that's, that's like muscles that's you know that's.
Maybe if, you like someone's eyes you. Know there's all
these physical attributes but for it seems to me that
height for. WOMEN for, male physical ali question i Mean
this is not fair because gerard has a. Six pack
and a six. Fourth THIS is gonna get up And,
I would really, if if Gerard i don't know. Wet'll
(19:48):
take gerard out of this if you if you have
to pick for A guy height, six' four or gerard level,
Physique what are, we going for.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Here oh my goodness all, if, WE'RE just going purely
off Physical yeah, i suppose the fitness because i'm okay.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
So she would go with the. FITNESS that Makes more
sense to me i think ali IS in a distinct
minority there because i think most women, they, JUST they.
THERE'S this Height, Thing dude i have. I have clay
i'm six feet tall i have come, across women, who
have basically been like you know, almost like they're, doing
me a favor like you bait LIKE you Just, this
IS obviously before i met, carrie but i Was Single.
(20:24):
For many MANY years in, new york, they're like i,
Kind of YOU know grandfathered you in like if i had,
known you, WEREN'T quite like. Six' two you know i is,
Wild and they're very open about this too like they
don't because because it's So objective that they don't FEEL
bad saying it's not like, they're like i wish, you
were better looking like that's just mean but. Like you're,
a little on the short side for. Me they't just
say it to your face.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
But you know what.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Really sealed the, deal for me is, humor PERSONALITY And humor,
like funny is underrated like.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I you're, like you're like. An emotionally stable spiritually wholesome.
Very kind person you Know. You're all right you know
we need ali he's an outlier for like. Like depth,
and in as a human being would say a. LOT
of people who are superficial out there. I think that's
top three, for most women, i THINK height is one
money is two and i think more women will admit.
(21:14):
To the height thing than the money thing there's not.
A lot of rich guys with ugly women i'm just
saying it has not happened very often that you see.
A super rich guy, WITH an unattractive one but here
here's again. I understand. Why you want a rich guy
i understand i'm not saying that, that it's not superficial
(21:34):
or that you know we, don't wish that there was
romance beyond that but being able to PROVIDE unless a
guy is playing in the nba OR, is like a
tight end in. The nfl him BEING six six. Means
nothing this is. WHAT i don't UNDERSTAND but WOMEN love
This i. LOVES total i think i. THINK ali's right
i think it's total biology i think historically the bigger
(21:57):
gorilla was able to, prot hecked THE female gorilla from
smaller gorillas and so i think biologically women are attracted
to bigger men. Because they have the ABILITY. To protect
clay biologically they LOOK at ufc but see. This is
WHERE i get look at you at most ufc fighters
(22:18):
are are almost all of them are five eight to
six one or six. Two like the, very FEW that
are tall certainly very. ARBITRARY but i think this is straight,
biology i think it's, just, like caveman, days if you
were bigger stronger and faster you were more likely to
be able to kill. A ANIMAL and provide for the
female baby. Average, UFC fighter height. IS five to ten
(22:41):
yeah i, just.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah sot documentaries, also point out lions lions the male
lion the bigger main ATTRACT the female with the.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
F the, Main i, get a little more i'm like
I'M like a great. Main is something That i. CAN
get behind you KNOW what i'm saying i. Think it's,
just i think it's just power and historically the, more
like size you had as a. Man the, more power
you tended To have Like, Listen? Do we still have
david in Scottsdale, arizona is he a. Short, guy calling in. We've, Ruined,
(23:10):
his day no he's six three? Okay, david, What have you,
got for.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
Us hi guys. I'm six three my girlfriend's five to
two one of. The first things she said is two
things she almost didn't date me because she felt. Bad
that she was taking a tall person but the big
thing is her tall girlfriends do. Not like short girls taking.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
THE tall guy oh that's an interesting point i hadn't
even thought about the anger. That short girl with tall
guy can provoke because if you're five to nine chick
and your girlfriend who's five, TO three takes. THE six
to two guy i get it i Do think there's something.
To your argument buck in. And INSTAGRAMMABLE age everybody wants
the perfect photo and i think there's a lot, of
(23:54):
girls out there and they, wear heels and they're wearing
a fancy dress and they're going to a cocktail, party
or they're going to. A you know formal event of
some sort they don't want to post a photo standing
next to a guy who's shorter than them because they think.
IT doesn't make the photo look as good i think.
THAT is in the industry part of it i think
that's even that is my that is my thesis that
(24:17):
social media and online dating has created this like. Rush
rush Of interest In, The. Height, situation, We got, walker
in augusta, georgia.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Hey guys hey guys love the show and hearing you.
Guys Talk today remind me. OF the story so i'm
retired law ENFORCEMENT i WAS on twenty two years on
swad and i was the team leader and we had,
a business guy, that basically, sponsored our team, gave us that,
you know for extra equipment stuff like that. And we
invited him out to the range he was shooting with us.
And we were Standing around the amo table we were
(24:49):
jamming mags, waiting for the next iteration to come on.
And we're all like six too, and taller all of
us are big dudes and he is five To Six
and he's standing there and. He's gavin mags and, He's
looking looking around, he looks and said i'll, tell you
WHAT y'all are some big, Guys but if i stay.
On my wallet i'm, six, six like that. And we
all said, yes you're exactly right and. To that fact he,
(25:10):
has A Hot wife i'm not gonna lie and i.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Becu's here's what we call in the culture. He's what
we call walker a short king that is what the millennials.
And gen z. Now he's a short. King that's really funny,
that's a great line and by the way is there
something too short guy being driven to be far more
successful than tall guy because he knows that he has
(25:36):
to be economically successful to get the best looking. Girl
in a, way that tall guy doesn't in other words
it's tall guy lazy, because if you're six to two or,
whatever you have that height advantage for, You and five
to six guy. Is like i'm gonna do all the work.
I'm gonna put in all the extra, time, maybe that?
Would actually make some sense right, Are, There here's a
(25:57):
way to. Test it buck this would be actually fascinating
HOW much correlation is there between super wealth i don't mean.
LIKE you know you're making a good living. I mean
like you're a hedge fund guy how much correlation is
there between hedge fund guy like you're making tens of millions?
Of dollars a year and average height guy are hedge
(26:17):
fund guy's taller? OR shorter on average than like finance
bureau i want to get to we haven't had a
lady on the on the phone lines, yet we got?
So much coming, and though what's, so funny what you
know we're Sitting here we're talking, about Like saving the republic.
And you know the constitution and birthright citizenship we get some, calls.
We talk, about, HEID and DATING kaboom everybody everybody's, Like
(26:39):
well I Gotta, i gotta tell? You. Jerrolynn in los
angeles what's going, on jerrolyn.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
It's funny that you mentioned that but because i've tried
so many, times to get on the AIR with y'all and.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
This IS the.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Time i made it true but I. Do It's about women.
Dating short. Man ali producer ali's absolutely correct it's, evolutionary
women are attracted to, providers, and protectors and generally that means,
bigger stronger taller men who can, protect us and men
are attracted to readers which is where the thirty six
twenty four to thirty six. Bus, TO waste to hip, Ratio.
(27:12):
COMES in however i think you're wrong buck i think
More women are as, absolutely EVOLVED as producer ali than
you think because i think, More, Women, WILL compromise on
things like oh.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Jerrolyn jerrolyn i love where your head's going hold on
the data that. The data does not support what you're. Saying,
so where do you think people. Compromise now you're absolutely right.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
ABOUT the data that's one HUNDRED percent true I just
think that you're, I think if i'm, On a, DATING
app i'm A. Divorced woman i'm forty, i, live in.
La i'm attracted to big strong manly men BUT. There's
only that, Many Of, them in la, By the way
henry cavill if you're listening i've been waiting for you,
to knock on my Door For several years.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Just coming toosing. HE'S henry, cavill, Is, a mallugiin for,
sure i agree yes.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Yeah that's your comparison that's. Your, STANDARD of beauty that
you compared to now i you're right that you never,
see a rich man with an ugly woman but you
will see a, beautiful woman, With, an ugly man very
often of course church because there are a lot of
women who are smart enough to realize they need, to
be dating somebody who's a good communicator who is, not
(28:21):
too cocky to be a poor mate who is reliable
and going to be, a steady partner to raise, the
CHILDREN with than somebody who's, simply hot and i think
it's again evolutionary evolutionary that men are attracted to beautiful. Women,
MORE than.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Women are attracted to her okay i don't i'm. NOT
going to do like the, evolutionary thing i actually agree
with a lot a. LOT of what she had to.
Say there, i think she's nailed. A bunch you, know
she's A very. Ajournalin you're very astute very high, q
listener we have so many of. Them and we appreciate
when you. Call in but let me ask you this
do you agree with the thesis that height has become
far more of a Focus? Among women in the dating
(28:57):
pool in america listen, it was say twenty or thirty
years ago because, That's, really my thesis is that online dating.
Instagram social media has made this a thing whereas you used,
to not be able to say six. FOOT some women say.
SIX two and above i know that, Exists i, THINK THAT.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
It's always been important so. NO i i don't need
some more important i think now we just. Have the, Data, to,
Prove that it's important all right.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Well jerln i'm just gonna tell you something IF, you're
if you're a single lady in la you set you,
set the if you're, on a dating app not making any,
assumptions but if you're on, a dating app you set that,
that uh that filter to. Five eight plus you're gonna,
get short. Kings just it's gonna be great you know
just just let. Those Short kings make, their pitch, to
you and. I'm telling you, YOU know, you'll call, IN
(29:46):
you'd be LIKE i got you know i found my. I,
Found in the love of my life anyway that's that's
my little Bit of a a Little. Bit of a
sunday drap with. Clean BUCK really more of just a
thesis and I Have, to give CREDIT to my friend
jedediah bila who's now u Launched her podcast You Know
her from the. View and from fox. News for many
years she, shared some data it's not even new data
(30:07):
but IT'S come up in conversation with people that i know, lately,
that women are let's, just say it okay when, we
say women we're speaking in generalities here but something like eighty,
five percent of women won't date a. Guy say they
don't want a data guy. Maybe it's a better way
of putting it who's under six feet tall and fourteen percent,
Of guys are actually over six feet tall so there's. A,
(30:31):
little bit of a math mismatch. Here now a lot
of you, weigh in we'll get, to some of that,
a lot of talkbacks a lot of emails including friends.
Of the show who have their own programs one of
them Might Be confused from a distance play with paul
bunyan because he is so enormous that he hits his
head on the bottom of. Pretty much everyone's ceiling on,
(30:53):
a regular basis let me just. Say Here cut you
off a, little, bit paul, bunyan, is like a, rugged
masculine brawny man gangly, not particularly strong more, like jolly
green giant BUT without the Muscles Is.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
The.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Way that, I would describe jesse kelly wow uh. Well
i'm just gonna put it out there jesse taking some shots.
At the shorter brethren, among us. Out there? Here's what
He Said play.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
It what's Up it's me jesse KELLY and clay and
buck asked me if i would weigh in on the
controversy that apparently has. Popped up over, tall guys versus short.
Guys WHAT women PREFER what they, should prefer so, i
just i.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Wanted.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
To first of all clear, something, Up okay life is all.
About balance right everything's about striking a, balance the right
amount of time at. Work the right amount, of. Time,
at home everything's about a balance right. Well everything in
our life works this way if, you're a dude who's
under six feet tall you're most likely somebody. Who peaked
(31:58):
in grade school or high school. That's actually when you
stop growing as well and. During that time usually it's the,
short guys he gets the leg hair first, he drives
a nicer car than everyone else and.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
For a few.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
Years he gets to be the top, dog then he stops.
Growing at five six like most children do and then
the girl that used, to date you, now looks over
at me towering above you And she, Automatically knows It's
not just that i'm taller it's that. I'm a superior
(32:35):
being in, virtually every way it's not about. Your income
or your hair, or, anything else height, Is all that
matters absolutely all that matters. And the women, listening know
that is true you short. Guys, don't get down on
yourself at. All listen there's someone out there for everybody
(32:57):
there are, women who will lower Their standards for.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
You and.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
You should Thank God for them all right.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
You know jen jesse is like. Six,' nine so he
thinks everybody Is short yeah he is. LEANING into THIS
heidism clay in a big way i did I, did
hear a mention of, hair though there well he doesn't have.
Any hair but he's. Fortunate because he's so tall. Most People,
can't tell now we have other reactions carol markowitz who,
(33:26):
is a mother of three and quite Quite charge has,
a great show on the clan, buck podcast network Which
You Should. All check out and normally with mary. CATHERINE
ham she's One Of our wonderful podcast hosts i think
that carol markowitz has one of. The best voices out
there for, a woman's host like when you hear her
(33:48):
voice it sounds, like something that would be a audio.
Book voice not For Like a professional voice actor so
here is carol markowitz reacting to the. Controversy, over Women,
not Willing To date short Men.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
Hey Clan buck it's carol markowitz from The krol Markowitz.
SHOW end normally on The clan buck podcast network i
fully agree with buck that dating apps have destroyed. Dating
life by making people have these unrealistic expectations people have
really lost all perspective about what makes. Attraction and what
(34:25):
they actually want in a partner online dating makes you
feel like you can punch in the perfect dimensions for your,
Possible boyfriend or girlfriend? And FILTER by those parameters so
why shouldn't you but i think that for, men there's
always another woman on? The next swipe so why settle
(34:46):
for this one and for women they. Rather wait than
get someone they, don't consider perfect. It's bad my message,
every day all the time get off the apps go
have we have the messy in person. Interactions that will show,
you who people really, are let it be awkward. Let
(35:07):
it be weird but, At least it's real go have.
A real life go meet people. IN real life you'll.
Be so much, BETTER.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Off i think that's perfect by the. WAY i totally
agree with, her ARREST my case i think she nailed
it and i didn't even hear.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
That.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
UNTIL we just played it On the air now, i
will also submit that carol loved the interaction probably not
surprisingly based on The Comment That she just gave there
of the atlanta brave sideline reporter and the girl that
he was interviewing during the course of that game. That
Turned into a huge story here this week that buck
(35:42):
was in, disbelief COULD have ever been controversial in any
way and. I, think it is kind, of a refreshing
take hey meet somebody in person, have an actual FACE to.
Face interaction with Them And, this is i believe we've
Also got Lisa booth also, a part of. The clay
and buck Podcast Network continuing the Breakdown We. Just heard
(36:05):
From carol markowitz and. From, jesse, Kelly here's what lisa
had To Say.
Speaker 9 (36:09):
Hey guys lisa with. The truth with? Lisa booth so here's? The,
truth does height matter, that is the question. WELL the, honest,
answer is of course it does i mean look every
woman wants to. Feel smaller than her boyfriend or her significant,
other we want to feel. Protected in his arms so
(36:29):
of course it matters. Of, course, WE would rather have
someone who's taller however look i think everyoneman's dated. A guy,
WHO is, maybe, around the same height so yeah i
mean look you would date someone if you really fell in.
Love with someone who is a little, bit shorter it's.
NOT the end OF the world but it, matters i don't,
(36:49):
think i would, go shorter, though because you, know this
isn't limbo, you KNOW so you know so it does
matter but i think a woman. Would, Make, AN exception
for A really incredible.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Man okay clay i love. That we basically and we
did not coordinate, this we just, asked those friends of
the show and you know they had they had. Seen
on social and everything? This back and Forth What's, your,
take on it we, Really Have jesse kelly who let's. Just, Be,
honest jesse kelly is a. Height supremacist okay yes he is.
A height supremacist it's. All about height with him everything
(37:20):
else is secondary and he just looks down his nose
from way up there in the clouds, of being six
nine or six ten Or whatever and All of us
little we're like lilliputians. And, He's gulliver and that's how,
the world, is okay carol takes more the uh you
know the. We shouldn't be superficial, and get, off the
apps and you're not building you know you're not building
like a car where. You get to pick the. Heated
(37:42):
SEATS or Whatever you're you're meeting a person and i Think,
lisa is a, little bit in between, of look it's
not everything but. It DOES matter and women should LOOK
into this so i feel like we've got i want
to open up lines and talkbacks and everything so people
can tell us. Who's who's position on this they find
most amenable Do?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
You?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
WANT to do The talk back from russell yeah i
also THINK carol's position is a really interesting one because
i don't only think women. HOLD out and are waiting
for the right guy i actually think sometimes they hold,
out and then, THEY look back and they're like YOU
know What I should have GONE with GUY a, Or
guy c or guy f that i dated and, then
(38:23):
they're also measuring not only their ideal standard but also
some other guy, who went on and got married to
somebody else? And, they're THINKING to themselves if they stay single? Man?
DID i? Blow it. In that relationship too right i
lie you know i'm HAPPY that it WORKED out for
me the way i DID because, i COULDN'T love my
wife more than i do and i think she's my soulmate.
(38:43):
And we have the cutest baby and, everything's perfect but
every lady When, buck was, single who Walked away From The,
Buckster big? Mistake? Just, LIKE julia, robertson, PRETTY women big
mistake huge well i think yeah i think that if
you walk away from a relationship and then the guy
ends up getting married. AND he's got a good family
and everything else, i THINK a lot of those women
look back and i DO think the One thing that
(39:06):
you nailed is i do, think instagram has changed, it
because in years past you dated a guy but. People
had to come meet him right like you. In order
to know, who your friend was dating, you went to
lunch or you went to dinner or you went, to
a party or a social event with them. And you
judge them based on face to face there wasn't as
(39:27):
much of An? Immediate oh what does it look like on?
Instagram WHAT does it look like on social media and
i think that many women have fallen victim to what
is the social? Media reaction going to, Be, to my
new guy and, if it's not. Hey this is the
perfect guy then they're unhappy. And look the numbers look
like that were true lots. Of, women out there are
(39:48):
now never Getting, married yes well that's this is. Why
it's actually this is. Not a, Minor, Thing this is
a big issue you know Elon and there's a. Whole
OTHER conversation here about elon's Approach To this, but i
have tremendous respect for, elon he's fantastic says we're not
having enough babies which is true if, you look, the chart,
on us babies over time. It's just you know slowly
but surely, going down, marriage formation has also been going
(40:12):
down not catastrophically and it's actually had, a bit of
a rebound in. Some demographics RECENTLY but marriage, formation is,
going down and play i think, that you know we
are the first generation now we're seeing the first generation
now that has. HAD this, kind of social media and online.
Presence i mean here's a perfect example of this how
many women out there when, they post a, photo with their,
(40:34):
not let's say not their husband but you know their
boyfriend or fiance if, they're the same height or. He's,
A little SMALLER would feel weird about it yeah, i
THINK i think the number is very high which. I
Think is a little Silly in my opinion caller jared is.
A former, Navy. Seal, And he's five to three what's up.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Jared yes i'm, so HONORED to finally Get through to,
You guys.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
But i haven't ever i'll be.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Honest i've never tried To Get through you guys but
it was with, Rush limbaugh, and with, You the subject
going on, I'm like oh lord i've got to call.
In I've got to try it one more. Time and
i'm so.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Honored to Actually be, on thank You very much so.
Speaker 6 (41:22):
The.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Navy program they want, navy sills to be short the shorter,
you are and stealthier. You'll be and less.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Hidden so it.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Doesn't matter they'll take Tall, men but. As, a, Five,
foot three ex navy very proud.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Okay so jared you're a badass and we. Love you
and we, appreciate, you serving our country let? Me ask?
You though tallest? Woman you've ever dated, five six, okay you,
no But also, you know you know you know a
navy guy. You show them. The anchor, tattoo in your
bicep you're a seal you. Know you're a little bit, of,
a special, Case i'm just gonna say this like you. Know,
(42:10):
i'm sure, you did fine with the ladies.
Speaker 10 (42:13):
Well, you know the, point of the matter, is hey
in my, world the shorter you, are and in this world.
The batterer you are the, MORE stealth you are but
you know what again i go.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Back, to when you get in the real world yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
It's kind of. Hard to get a woman.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
When you're my.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Size, Thank, you for the call appreciate. You calling in
jared thank you for Your service We Got to talk
back here from russell AND salt lake see see he listens.
On kN Rs Where We. Are consistently number. One thank, you, salt,
lake city we love you. Play it guys guys. Guys
got it all wrong it's not.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
THE height it's the guitar in.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
The guy's hands i think it's. The flute personally but
if we in everybody's hands what percentage of? MUSICIANS rock
BANDS got Into Music solely for girls i mean i
think dave navarro, of what is? He, nine inch Nails Or, no,
not nine? Inches, well Red Hot Chili. Peppers, RIGHT was
he yeah red hot chili pepper sorry, i think he's
(43:14):
like five two or five three. Like some of these
guys that are on stage, oh you never see anyone
REALLY sort, of Standing some of these? Big rock i? Mean?
Wasn't prince was like four he. Was tiny Yeah actually
pretty good basketball player too remember. This chappelle skit like
that was based in reality prince was A high. School
basketball Pretty good player in the Minneapolis, area josh in
(43:35):
california wants to? Weigh? And, JOSH what do you have for.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Us hey yeah i was just calling, because while women can.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Hold menus standards of height why can't, we hold them
to the standards?
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Of you know weight and? TAKING care, of themselves, can
they cook a meal i. Mean you know it's got
to be.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Both ways when it comes to a successful, marriage it's
not always if the guy's, just tall, but.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
If, The, woman's just kind of you know.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
PRETTY josh josh you're a preaching the choir here a
man who says that he doesn't want to date, a
fat woman is considered, to be AND like even women,
are just like. Oh when i just said that it's
completely unacceptable. Yet you can, CONTROL in some way your
weight women saying yeah i. WON'T date short guys totally
(44:22):
considered to be acceptable i think that's probably the biggest
disconnect between what men are allowed. To say and what
women are allowed to say. Women can judge men on
things they can't control men. Can't even judge women. On
things they can control welcome to modern life it's. IT'S
a jungle out there. In the dating world i will
(44:43):
tell you that so to all of. Our short kings,
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(00:22):
dudes out there that are gonna have to hear this,
but you all know it to be true. We always
talk about like the privilege pyramid, or you know, they
always want to say, oh, white privilege. You and I Buck,
I think are in agreement that the number one privilege
in America today is pretty girl privilege. Right, if you
are a good looking woman, you are automatically elevated above
(00:46):
everybody else, no matter what your your gender is, no
matter what your wealth is. That I think is the
number one privilege in America today. I would say that
the thing that men are most judged for is actually
more significant and more anti privileged than anything that women
are judged for. And that is what the data has
(01:08):
shown on the dating apps. Women will not date short men.
And I'll give you an example of this from my
own life. My wife Laura. We have been married for
twenty one years. Almost twenty one years, and I asked
her once, she's five to two. Let me repeat that
(01:28):
she is five to two. I said, would you have
dated me if I were five eight? She said, no,
probably not. She's five to two. Buck she could wear heels,
and if I were five to eight I would still
be clearly quite significantly taller than her, unless they're the
craziest heels ever. She is, I'm seven. I'm six foot
(01:49):
all right, So I have been good spot there. But
then you confessed that your own wife, who you just
had a baby with, confess to you what about height situations?
I was the I was the bottom of the acceptable.
I am also six feet. By the way, Clay and
I are the same height. I mean, depends on how
swooped my hair or his hair is in any given day.
(02:10):
But we're thein certainly like a half inch of each other,
and we stand up back to back, we're both about
six feet tall. Okay. My wife has told me, she's like, yeah,
you're basically like you. It was like I was, you know,
when they do the tall enough for the ride at
the amusement park, I was tall. I was just barely
tall enough to date, so she almost eliminated you for
not being How tall is your wife? Oh, she's five three?
(02:32):
I mean you've her are basically in other words, yes,
my wife's five two years about five three. I understand
for women out there, if you're like five to nine,
I understand why you might want to date a guy taller.
This is not our sitution. We need to set some
we need to set some parameters in everybody. And there's
a bigger conversation or two, which is that marriage formation
is down. A lot of guys are and a lot
(02:54):
of women are taking themselves out of this sort of
marriage formation pool. There are a lot of people who are, uh,
you know, not pairing up who say they want to.
I'm not talking about you. If you if you choose
you don't want to do it. If you want to
become a monk. Okay, wait, there's always exceptions, So please
don't call and be like I have been living in
a monastery for thirteen years. I love this life. It's
(03:14):
like I get it, okay, But for most people, we're
going to exclude a few things. Because this is my
friend Jedediah Bilah was the one who shared out the
data on this one and Jedediah. She likes to you know,
you know, she was on the View, she was on
Fox for many years. She uh, she you know, likes
to sort of give it, give it tough to both sides,
I would say, And in terms of the dating and
(03:35):
the social stuff, you know, to the guys the girls.
And she just pointed this out that there's there's the
data has a real there's a real problem with this
data now. And I want to argue that this is
a new thing. I think it is a new thing,
relative relatively new thing. Here's women who are saying I
won't date a guy shorter than me, that I get
so much so that I would say, I I think
(03:57):
maybe once or twice I was on a date with
a woman who was base basically my height. Didn't like it.
I didn't like it. I'm just a preference thing. Everybody.
You could say, that's I just I'm not. I wouldn't
dat a woman who's six to two, you know, like
it doesn't mean she's not attractive, but I wouldn't want
a data a woman who's taller than me. Yeah, like,
you know, I don't want to feel like she could
beat me in a game of one. On one. You
know what I'm saying, Like, I just this is not
(04:19):
really what I'm looking for. So but but we're not
talking about that. The data shows that eighty five percent
of women online. Let me repeat this, eighty five percent
of women have a problem with and don't want to
date a man who is uh five eight or shorter.
(04:42):
And five eight is a very interesting metric because that
is average height. Basically, right, it's five eight, five nine.
It is like the average guy's height. Mar I mean, okay, yeah,
maybe it's five nine, but like that is average male height. Yes,
eighty five percent of women online say that they will
not date a guy who is average or less than
(05:05):
average height. And that excludes all other factors. I'm just
gonna say it. There's also a thing where men online
it's a in terms of their rating of attractiveness of women.
It's a bell curve. They think, you know, if they
think twenty percent of women, they're really not you know,
twenty percent. Twenty percent, Oh pretty good, I mean, and
(05:26):
it goes all the way up to oh my gosh,
twenty percent. Amazing like my dream woman. Right, women, it's
like seventy Again, this is the data. Don't argue with me. Okay,
I'll give you the citations. This is This is millions
and millions of swipes and data on bumble, on Okay, Cupid,
on all the don't don't So don't call in and
say well, I'm short or I'm tall, and no, no, there's
(05:48):
a This is about what's happening in the aggregate millions
and millions of times across the country. Clay, I just
got so excited I forgot where I will. But this
is in Dick my argument. I'm gonna take get even
further than you. So if you're angry about anything, you
should reach out to Buck because he's responsible for all
of these opinions. I actually think women, Oh I'm sorry
(06:11):
real quick, just I don't want to women. Basically, women
think that like ten to fifteen percent of men are
good looking and all other men are ugly. That's what
the data actually shows, which is insane. Again, men, it's
a bell curve. Men live in the reality here of
like you know. And and also they're far more willing
to go on a date women. Now I understand biologically,
you don't have to explain this. Jordan Peterson could show
(06:32):
up and tell me like I get it. They have
to be choosier, and there's a different thing and there's
a different imperative with that. Fine, but eighty percent of
guys are not ugly. You know, this is crazy. So
I think women are more This is nobody will tell
you this. I think I'm right on this. I think
women are more selective of men in terms of what
(06:53):
they must have than men are of women. In other words,
let me explain this clip that one and share that
one out team like it. Here's my theory on this.
Guys will fall in love with particular body parts on women.
This is one. Every guy has got a guy also
their personalities clay, Okay, I'm talking about the first time
(07:15):
they see them. Every guy has a friend who is
obsessed with long legs. Every guy has a friend who
likes butts. Every guy has a friend and he cannot lie. Yes,
every guy has a friend who like likes boops. Other
guys are like, I don't even care about anything else.
All I want is a really, really pretty face. And
(07:36):
you'll hear be like that girl weighs three hundred pounds,
be like, yeah, but she's got a really pretty face.
Like there are guys. Whatever attribute you have as a woman.
There are guys out there that are into it. There
are people buck who love feet. I don't even understand this,
Like have you seen her ankles? No, no, it's not
eighteen forty a little bit of a different category's feet.
(07:59):
I think there's the guys back in the day. By
the way, this is funny. Do you know what was
considered scandalous in the I used to give tours of
the United States Capitol when I was in college. It
was considered scandalous. This is amazing because the people who
would sit in the gallery at the Senate and at
the House. Do you know how women would get men's
(08:21):
attention who were on like the congressmen and the senators.
How would they be alluring to show a little ankle?
Is this like Saudi Arabia? They would show their ankles
and the men below would look up and they would
be like, that is the best looking I'm kidding about this.
Like Sam Houston back in the day, he's on the
h he's on the floor there, Davy Crockett. They would
(08:43):
they would be talking off off the off the floor.
They'd be like, did you see the set of ankles
on Tilda in the front row of the of the
House of represent I'm telling you this is men. There
are men who are into everything. I don't think there
is an equivalent for women like the height thing. If
you are I'm sorry, if you are short and bald,
(09:06):
you better have an incredible job. You better be you
better be killing it because a lot of women out
there are like, yeah, I don't like his hair. He
doesn't have any hair. I mean, this was the George
Costanza thing back in the day. There is no equivalent
for women of the short bald man. And this ties
in on your point about the whole dating app world
(09:28):
has created an artificial worldview, Buck, I've been talking about this.
I can't get over it. There are tons of successful
women out there who are choosing because they can't find
a man. They are going to sperm donors and they're
flipping through just picking a non actual human right that
they're going to interact with to have a baby with.
(09:51):
The person is a human, but they're never going to
interact with him based solely on the data on the page, Like, hey,
he got a fifteen hundred on the SAT and he
went to ya, and he's six too, and he's got
blue eyes and hair. That's my guy and you never
meet him because you're trying to create a version of
a man that you can't meet in real life. But
also the height thing, is it diminishing returns to like
(10:13):
do seven footers clean out? I think it's a diminishing return.
I think most women would say that the ideal height
window is like six foot to six four. After six'
four you become too tall and awkward and gangly for.
Them they want like six foot to sixty. Four this
is me analyzing, women and then you get too. Tall
but to your, POINT i saw you tweet, this AND
(10:35):
i do think it's the most important aspect here is
it's the only. THING i guess baldness is the. Other
height and baldness are the only thing you can judge
someone for that they virtually have no control. Over if
a guy's, like, HEY i was gonna date, her but she's,
fat people would be, like, oh can you get a
(10:56):
load to? Him like if a guy on a dating
app wrote, no girls would be, like you can control your.
Weight on some, LEVEL i was reading this morning the.
Buck they now have the what's the peptides or? Whatever
the glue the glue, tides whatever that thing is that. Glph,
yeah did you See Eli lilly announced today they now
(11:17):
have it in pill. Form you're not even gonna have
to inject yourself on that stuff. Anymore you can just
take a pill which will guarantee that you lose weight
and eat less and everything. Else but you can work
to and change everything by and, large except for, hair
and except for. Height and it's the things women care.
About here's. You you've lined this. UP i think that
(11:37):
height is the most superficial metric that a person can care.
About and yet all women have somehow become an you,
know all women have some AND i say all, WOMEN
i know not all of. You, okay some of you
are married to great guys who are five to, three
and that's. Wonderful but this has become a thing in our.
Culture AND i think this is my. Theory it's because
(11:59):
we're all sort of metrics and online. Obsessed. Now it's
about social. Media it's about posting your you, know your
boyfriend or your husband On instagram and he towers over.
You and, like there's this sense CAUSE i DON'T i
understand wanting a partner to be. FIT i understand wanting
a partner to be smart or to have an attractive
face all that. Stuff of, course this is, dating this is,
mating that's how it. Goes but to be, LIKE i,
(12:21):
mean there's actually a meme that was going or a
little videos going around then it was of someone who
was like a woman and she's, saying you, know he's six,' four,
criminal record, no problem Speaks, no english no problem like
and even the DIFFERENCE between i think it was six
one and six', four was, like you, Know six' one
i'll deal with Your annoying and i'll deal with an
(12:41):
annoying mother in law, Like six one i'll. But six,'
four you know you may. Be AN axe murderer but
i think we. Still have a drink so are we?
Crazy on this one let's take some calls some of.
Ladies on this one do you agree with us or do?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Think?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
This is this is are you seeing this those you have?
Daughters or? Granddaughters too is it is it bigger among?
Them than, it was i'm like you think about like
a lot of the, Biggest Actors, five eight tom, cruise like, five,
seven you know, yeah this is ay but they have
women that make them look. Bigger than, they are. So
Yes It's, true like tom cruise some of. THESE guys
(13:14):
are little i think the big best point you made
is this is, What the data shows like the. Anecdote
doesn't really matter i'm sure there are, exceptions to the
data but it's actually quite CLEAR that, women are i
think more judgmental of men's physical appearances than men. ACTUALLY
are of women i saw a. Funny meme yesterday, too
by the way, on the same level how much have
(13:37):
you read buck Over the years about, barbie and, unrealistic
uh you know like, physical expectations, For Women YOU. Know
tom barby k have you ever seen an Article about
like he man or or Any number. Of basically superman
superheros have you ever seen a story About how unrealistic
he man's Body type and like, superman's body type is
(13:59):
and how it is so destructive to young men Who
know because he man would have to be on massive
doses of it's impossible, to A large extent like. Barbie's
body is impossible i've, never, seen anyone argue oh this,
Is unfortunate for men like how in the world can they?
Get out of bed. THEY have unrealistic expectations i think
(14:19):
we have a one way street on. A lot of
this we are Deluged with responses after, buck shared the
data which is true that women are horribly. Discriminating against
short men and if in fact you wanted, to talk
about privilege maybe, number one pretty privilege maybe, number TWO
hype privilege because i think it. Goes across race gender,
(14:41):
for men in particular can you think of something, where,
you'd be like hey what's more valuable than being? Six foot,
OR taller, for men, I mean obviously intelligence i'm talking.
ABOUT just physical attributes i think, you probably go, HEIGHT
and for women i think You probably go pretty and
those are, probably the two biggest. Best most valuable, assets
now for men you could also say there are, things,
you work for. Right Wealth obviously factors and ali has
(15:04):
been saying off air that she thinks this is just
straight biology because historically women have wanted bigger men because
they protect them better. Than SMALLER men do and i
think that's, probably true on average not to say you
can't be five to, four and YOU know an incredible
ufc fighter back in the day, in the caveman era
but probably being six four goliath styles probably a little bit. More, Of,
(15:26):
an advantage yeah yes perhaps it's interesting to see that
you know a lot, of women are actually as we
see the listeners weighing, in on, this, One they're Like
look i'm not i'm not picky about a man's a.
Man's you know HAIR amn's this that i don't? NEED a,
six PACK i don't but i do. Have a height
(15:48):
requirement so many women. Have a height REQUIREMENT this. IS
what I mean i. Think i've perfect that what you were
saying is your wife is five to three. Minus five
to two both of them have told us they would
have dated us if. We were, five eight well no
and then clearly we both just barely were tall enough for.
THE amusement park ride i do there is no. Male
(16:10):
equivalent to this there. IS no male equivalent i don't think,
to women's height again because, men like, tall women, short women.
Big women small women, like whatever you are there is
a man out there that will be. In LOVE with,
YOU like i said i still love the, idea we
come back we'll update you, on everything going on and
we'll take your calls and. We'll HAVE some fun but
i still love the idea of back in the eighteen
(16:32):
hundred's the ankle thing on the on the balcony overlooking,
this is how men are you? Got a great Ankle
we'll find You sunday Hang. With, clay and bucks ali
You are married to gerard, and He is FABULOUS and
buck and i are both very. Big fans of His?
How tall is girard.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Gerard is, Six' four six'?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Four?
Speaker 1 (16:53):
AND how tall are?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
You ally, i am five three?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
All right you are.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Five three we have said prior. My wife is five
to two. Buck's wife is five to three that both
of them have told us, that if we were five
eight we would not have been their dating. PARTNER and
not their married, partner i will, Say, this too by
the way black. My mom is five to. FOUR my
dad is six three i bet if, MY dad HAD
been five. Eight i bet i wouldn't. EXIST just tossing
(17:19):
that out there i have never asked my mom if
she would have dated. Him if he was. Five eight
she may be. Listening She, can Let me know but ali,
if gerard had been five eight would you have ever
started dating him? As? A, five foot?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
THREE woman oh wow you too i was Also. Attracted to?
Other things about gerard.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Uh, huh if he was five?
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Eight?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Would you? Have? Dated him, yes, FIVE six oh MY
goodness yes i think she's. I think she's lying TO
us i think because when i brought this up as
we went to break at, the end of the. Last, Hour, She,
FIVE to four, Oh clay oh. I can answer. THERE'S
no way. THERE'S no Way, i don't believe i think. Ali,
(18:02):
He was Under six feet ali. I'LL get I'LL give
you this i don't. I understand like male. Female dynamic
i understand if women although some women don't mind if
a guy who there are women who don't mind if
a guy, shorter than especially if they're like if you're six, foot,
tall woman now in heels, right you're six? Three ish
right probably six three would you rather be a super? Tall,
WOMAN or a short man oh i think you. Had
(18:25):
to choose super tall woman you'd rather be a six
foot five woman than. LIKE a, Five to four man
i mean i'm identifying now as a six foot. SIX
here five women would be i mean that's like A
you're like bigger THAN a wnba center at that I think.
THAT aren't the w, nba center i mean you're like
you're a giant woman if, you're, like, SIX two or
bigger like right i mean that's. Very very right for
(18:47):
a woman it's. Like being a, SEVEN foot man SO
you know i think, it's i, think it's you know
women anyway some. WOMEN will DATE short of them i
DON'T i understand a woman saying i don't want to. Date,
a guy shorter than me again what the data shows
is that women like an amusement park ride, have in
their minds at least and it shows that they act
(19:08):
on this when it comes to. Online dating a height,
cut off.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
And every nature show every nature show you watch shows
the species, and how they attract each other and the
male birds will puff up and the lizards. Will, make
their gills Go larger.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Whatever you know, what i'm saying but.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
To, me that's that's, that's like muscles that's you know that's.
Maybe if, you like someone's eyes you. Know there's all
these physical attributes but for it seems to me that
height for. WOMEN for, male physical ali question i Mean
this is not fair because gerard has a. Six pack
and a six. Fourth THIS is gonna get up And,
I would really, if if Gerard i don't know. Wet'll
(19:48):
take gerard out of this if you if you have
to pick for A guy height, six' four or gerard level,
Physique what are, we going for.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Here oh my goodness all, if, WE'RE just going purely
off Physical yeah, i suppose the fitness because i'm okay.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
So she would go with the. FITNESS that Makes more
sense to me i think ali IS in a distinct
minority there because i think most women, they, JUST they.
THERE'S this Height, Thing dude i have. I have clay
i'm six feet tall i have come, across women, who
have basically been like you know, almost like they're, doing
me a favor like you bait LIKE you Just, this
IS obviously before i met, carrie but i Was Single.
(20:24):
For many MANY years in, new york, they're like i,
Kind of YOU know grandfathered you in like if i had,
known you, WEREN'T quite like. Six' two you know i is,
Wild and they're very open about this too like they
don't because because it's So objective that they don't FEEL
bad saying it's not like, they're like i wish, you
were better looking like that's just mean but. Like you're,
a little on the short side for. Me they't just
say it to your face.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
But you know what.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Really sealed the, deal for me is, humor PERSONALITY And humor,
like funny is underrated like.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I you're, like you're like. An emotionally stable spiritually wholesome.
Very kind person you Know. You're all right you know
we need ali he's an outlier for like. Like depth,
and in as a human being would say a. LOT
of people who are superficial out there. I think that's
top three, for most women, i THINK height is one
money is two and i think more women will admit.
(21:14):
To the height thing than the money thing there's not.
A lot of rich guys with ugly women i'm just
saying it has not happened very often that you see.
A super rich guy, WITH an unattractive one but here
here's again. I understand. Why you want a rich guy
i understand i'm not saying that, that it's not superficial
(21:34):
or that you know we, don't wish that there was
romance beyond that but being able to PROVIDE unless a
guy is playing in the nba OR, is like a
tight end in. The nfl him BEING six six. Means
nothing this is. WHAT i don't UNDERSTAND but WOMEN love
This i. LOVES total i think i. THINK ali's right
i think it's total biology i think historically the bigger
(21:57):
gorilla was able to, prot hecked THE female gorilla from
smaller gorillas and so i think biologically women are attracted
to bigger men. Because they have the ABILITY. To protect
clay biologically they LOOK at ufc but see. This is
WHERE i get look at you at most ufc fighters
(22:18):
are are almost all of them are five eight to
six one or six. Two like the, very FEW that
are tall certainly very. ARBITRARY but i think this is straight,
biology i think it's, just, like caveman, days if you
were bigger stronger and faster you were more likely to
be able to kill. A ANIMAL and provide for the
female baby. Average, UFC fighter height. IS five to ten
(22:41):
yeah i, just.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah sot documentaries, also point out lions lions the male
lion the bigger main ATTRACT the female with the.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
F the, Main i, get a little more i'm like
I'M like a great. Main is something That i. CAN
get behind you KNOW what i'm saying i. Think it's,
just i think it's just power and historically the, more
like size you had as a. Man the, more power
you tended To have Like, Listen? Do we still have
david in Scottsdale, arizona is he a. Short, guy calling in. We've, Ruined,
(23:10):
his day no he's six three? Okay, david, What have you,
got for.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
Us hi guys. I'm six three my girlfriend's five to
two one of. The first things she said is two
things she almost didn't date me because she felt. Bad
that she was taking a tall person but the big
thing is her tall girlfriends do. Not like short girls taking.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
THE tall guy oh that's an interesting point i hadn't
even thought about the anger. That short girl with tall
guy can provoke because if you're five to nine chick
and your girlfriend who's five, TO three takes. THE six
to two guy i get it i Do think there's something.
To your argument buck in. And INSTAGRAMMABLE age everybody wants
the perfect photo and i think there's a lot, of
(23:54):
girls out there and they, wear heels and they're wearing
a fancy dress and they're going to a cocktail, party
or they're going to. A you know formal event of
some sort they don't want to post a photo standing
next to a guy who's shorter than them because they think.
IT doesn't make the photo look as good i think.
THAT is in the industry part of it i think
that's even that is my that is my thesis that
(24:17):
social media and online dating has created this like. Rush
rush Of interest In, The. Height, situation, We got, walker
in augusta, georgia.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Hey guys hey guys love the show and hearing you.
Guys Talk today remind me. OF the story so i'm
retired law ENFORCEMENT i WAS on twenty two years on
swad and i was the team leader and we had,
a business guy, that basically, sponsored our team, gave us that,
you know for extra equipment stuff like that. And we
invited him out to the range he was shooting with us.
And we were Standing around the amo table we were
(24:49):
jamming mags, waiting for the next iteration to come on.
And we're all like six too, and taller all of
us are big dudes and he is five To Six
and he's standing there and. He's gavin mags and, He's
looking looking around, he looks and said i'll, tell you
WHAT y'all are some big, Guys but if i stay.
On my wallet i'm, six, six like that. And we
all said, yes you're exactly right and. To that fact he,
(25:10):
has A Hot wife i'm not gonna lie and i.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Becu's here's what we call in the culture. He's what
we call walker a short king that is what the millennials.
And gen z. Now he's a short. King that's really funny,
that's a great line and by the way is there
something too short guy being driven to be far more
successful than tall guy because he knows that he has
(25:36):
to be economically successful to get the best looking. Girl
in a, way that tall guy doesn't in other words
it's tall guy lazy, because if you're six to two or,
whatever you have that height advantage for, You and five
to six guy. Is like i'm gonna do all the work.
I'm gonna put in all the extra, time, maybe that?
Would actually make some sense right, Are, There here's a
(25:57):
way to. Test it buck this would be actually fascinating
HOW much correlation is there between super wealth i don't mean.
LIKE you know you're making a good living. I mean
like you're a hedge fund guy how much correlation is
there between hedge fund guy like you're making tens of millions?
Of dollars a year and average height guy are hedge
(26:17):
fund guy's taller? OR shorter on average than like finance
bureau i want to get to we haven't had a
lady on the on the phone lines, yet we got?
So much coming, and though what's, so funny what you
know we're Sitting here we're talking, about Like saving the republic.
And you know the constitution and birthright citizenship we get some, calls.
We talk, about, HEID and DATING kaboom everybody everybody's, Like
(26:39):
well I Gotta, i gotta tell? You. Jerrolynn in los
angeles what's going, on jerrolyn.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
It's funny that you mentioned that but because i've tried
so many, times to get on the AIR with y'all and.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
This IS the.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Time i made it true but I. Do It's about women.
Dating short. Man ali producer ali's absolutely correct it's, evolutionary
women are attracted to, providers, and protectors and generally that means,
bigger stronger taller men who can, protect us and men
are attracted to readers which is where the thirty six
twenty four to thirty six. Bus, TO waste to hip, Ratio.
(27:12):
COMES in however i think you're wrong buck i think
More women are as, absolutely EVOLVED as producer ali than
you think because i think, More, Women, WILL compromise on
things like oh.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Jerrolyn jerrolyn i love where your head's going hold on
the data that. The data does not support what you're. Saying,
so where do you think people. Compromise now you're absolutely right.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
ABOUT the data that's one HUNDRED percent true I just
think that you're, I think if i'm, On a, DATING
app i'm A. Divorced woman i'm forty, i, live in.
La i'm attracted to big strong manly men BUT. There's
only that, Many Of, them in la, By the way
henry cavill if you're listening i've been waiting for you,
to knock on my Door For several years.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Just coming toosing. HE'S henry, cavill, Is, a mallugiin for,
sure i agree yes.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Yeah that's your comparison that's. Your, STANDARD of beauty that
you compared to now i you're right that you never,
see a rich man with an ugly woman but you
will see a, beautiful woman, With, an ugly man very
often of course church because there are a lot of
women who are smart enough to realize they need, to
be dating somebody who's a good communicator who is, not
(28:21):
too cocky to be a poor mate who is reliable
and going to be, a steady partner to raise, the
CHILDREN with than somebody who's, simply hot and i think
it's again evolutionary evolutionary that men are attracted to beautiful. Women,
MORE than.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Women are attracted to her okay i don't i'm. NOT
going to do like the, evolutionary thing i actually agree
with a lot a. LOT of what she had to.
Say there, i think she's nailed. A bunch you, know
she's A very. Ajournalin you're very astute very high, q
listener we have so many of. Them and we appreciate
when you. Call in but let me ask you this
do you agree with the thesis that height has become
far more of a Focus? Among women in the dating
(28:57):
pool in america listen, it was say twenty or thirty
years ago because, That's, really my thesis is that online dating.
Instagram social media has made this a thing whereas you used,
to not be able to say six. FOOT some women say.
SIX two and above i know that, Exists i, THINK THAT.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
It's always been important so. NO i i don't need
some more important i think now we just. Have the, Data, to,
Prove that it's important all right.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Well jerln i'm just gonna tell you something IF, you're
if you're a single lady in la you set you,
set the if you're, on a dating app not making any,
assumptions but if you're on, a dating app you set that,
that uh that filter to. Five eight plus you're gonna,
get short. Kings just it's gonna be great you know
just just let. Those Short kings make, their pitch, to
you and. I'm telling you, YOU know, you'll call, IN
(29:46):
you'd be LIKE i got you know i found my. I,
Found in the love of my life anyway that's that's
my little Bit of a a Little. Bit of a
sunday drap with. Clean BUCK really more of just a
thesis and I Have, to give CREDIT to my friend
jedediah bila who's now u Launched her podcast You Know
her from the. View and from fox. News for many
years she, shared some data it's not even new data
(30:07):
but IT'S come up in conversation with people that i know, lately,
that women are let's, just say it okay when, we
say women we're speaking in generalities here but something like eighty,
five percent of women won't date a. Guy say they
don't want a data guy. Maybe it's a better way
of putting it who's under six feet tall and fourteen percent,
Of guys are actually over six feet tall so there's. A,
(30:31):
little bit of a math mismatch. Here now a lot
of you, weigh in we'll get, to some of that,
a lot of talkbacks a lot of emails including friends.
Of the show who have their own programs one of
them Might Be confused from a distance play with paul
bunyan because he is so enormous that he hits his
head on the bottom of. Pretty much everyone's ceiling on,
(30:53):
a regular basis let me just. Say Here cut you
off a, little, bit paul, bunyan, is like a, rugged
masculine brawny man gangly, not particularly strong more, like jolly
green giant BUT without the Muscles Is.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
The.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Way that, I would describe jesse kelly wow uh. Well
i'm just gonna put it out there jesse taking some shots.
At the shorter brethren, among us. Out there? Here's what
He Said play.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
It what's Up it's me jesse KELLY and clay and
buck asked me if i would weigh in on the
controversy that apparently has. Popped up over, tall guys versus short.
Guys WHAT women PREFER what they, should prefer so, i
just i.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Wanted.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
To first of all clear, something, Up okay life is all.
About balance right everything's about striking a, balance the right
amount of time at. Work the right amount, of. Time,
at home everything's about a balance right. Well everything in
our life works this way if, you're a dude who's
under six feet tall you're most likely somebody. Who peaked
(31:58):
in grade school or high school. That's actually when you
stop growing as well and. During that time usually it's the,
short guys he gets the leg hair first, he drives
a nicer car than everyone else and.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
For a few.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
Years he gets to be the top, dog then he stops.
Growing at five six like most children do and then
the girl that used, to date you, now looks over
at me towering above you And she, Automatically knows It's
not just that i'm taller it's that. I'm a superior
(32:35):
being in, virtually every way it's not about. Your income
or your hair, or, anything else height, Is all that
matters absolutely all that matters. And the women, listening know
that is true you short. Guys, don't get down on
yourself at. All listen there's someone out there for everybody
(32:57):
there are, women who will lower Their standards for.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
You and.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
You should Thank God for them all right.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
You know jen jesse is like. Six,' nine so he
thinks everybody Is short yeah he is. LEANING into THIS
heidism clay in a big way i did I, did
hear a mention of, hair though there well he doesn't have.
Any hair but he's. Fortunate because he's so tall. Most People,
can't tell now we have other reactions carol markowitz who,
(33:26):
is a mother of three and quite Quite charge has,
a great show on the clan, buck podcast network Which
You Should. All check out and normally with mary. CATHERINE
ham she's One Of our wonderful podcast hosts i think
that carol markowitz has one of. The best voices out
there for, a woman's host like when you hear her
(33:48):
voice it sounds, like something that would be a audio.
Book voice not For Like a professional voice actor so
here is carol markowitz reacting to the. Controversy, over Women,
not Willing To date short Men.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
Hey Clan buck it's carol markowitz from The krol Markowitz.
SHOW end normally on The clan buck podcast network i
fully agree with buck that dating apps have destroyed. Dating
life by making people have these unrealistic expectations people have
really lost all perspective about what makes. Attraction and what
(34:25):
they actually want in a partner online dating makes you
feel like you can punch in the perfect dimensions for your,
Possible boyfriend or girlfriend? And FILTER by those parameters so
why shouldn't you but i think that for, men there's
always another woman on? The next swipe so why settle
(34:46):
for this one and for women they. Rather wait than
get someone they, don't consider perfect. It's bad my message,
every day all the time get off the apps go
have we have the messy in person. Interactions that will show,
you who people really, are let it be awkward. Let
(35:07):
it be weird but, At least it's real go have.
A real life go meet people. IN real life you'll.
Be so much, BETTER.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Off i think that's perfect by the. WAY i totally
agree with, her ARREST my case i think she nailed
it and i didn't even hear.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
That.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
UNTIL we just played it On the air now, i
will also submit that carol loved the interaction probably not
surprisingly based on The Comment That she just gave there
of the atlanta brave sideline reporter and the girl that
he was interviewing during the course of that game. That
Turned into a huge story here this week that buck
(35:42):
was in, disbelief COULD have ever been controversial in any
way and. I, think it is kind, of a refreshing
take hey meet somebody in person, have an actual FACE to.
Face interaction with Them And, this is i believe we've
Also got Lisa booth also, a part of. The clay
and buck Podcast Network continuing the Breakdown We. Just heard
(36:05):
From carol markowitz and. From, jesse, Kelly here's what lisa
had To Say.
Speaker 9 (36:09):
Hey guys lisa with. The truth with? Lisa booth so here's? The,
truth does height matter, that is the question. WELL the, honest,
answer is of course it does i mean look every
woman wants to. Feel smaller than her boyfriend or her significant,
other we want to feel. Protected in his arms so
(36:29):
of course it matters. Of, course, WE would rather have
someone who's taller however look i think everyoneman's dated. A guy,
WHO is, maybe, around the same height so yeah i
mean look you would date someone if you really fell in.
Love with someone who is a little, bit shorter it's.
NOT the end OF the world but it, matters i don't,
(36:49):
think i would, go shorter, though because you, know this
isn't limbo, you KNOW so you know so it does
matter but i think a woman. Would, Make, AN exception
for A really incredible.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Man okay clay i love. That we basically and we
did not coordinate, this we just, asked those friends of
the show and you know they had they had. Seen
on social and everything? This back and Forth What's, your,
take on it we, Really Have jesse kelly who let's. Just, Be,
honest jesse kelly is a. Height supremacist okay yes he is.
A height supremacist it's. All about height with him everything
(37:20):
else is secondary and he just looks down his nose
from way up there in the clouds, of being six
nine or six ten Or whatever and All of us
little we're like lilliputians. And, He's gulliver and that's how,
the world, is okay carol takes more the uh you
know the. We shouldn't be superficial, and get, off the
apps and you're not building you know you're not building
like a car where. You get to pick the. Heated
(37:42):
SEATS or Whatever you're you're meeting a person and i Think,
lisa is a, little bit in between, of look it's
not everything but. It DOES matter and women should LOOK
into this so i feel like we've got i want
to open up lines and talkbacks and everything so people
can tell us. Who's who's position on this they find
most amenable Do?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
You?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
WANT to do The talk back from russell yeah i
also THINK carol's position is a really interesting one because
i don't only think women. HOLD out and are waiting
for the right guy i actually think sometimes they hold,
out and then, THEY look back and they're like YOU
know What I should have GONE with GUY a, Or
guy c or guy f that i dated and, then
(38:23):
they're also measuring not only their ideal standard but also
some other guy, who went on and got married to
somebody else? And, they're THINKING to themselves if they stay single? Man?
DID i? Blow it. In that relationship too right i
lie you know i'm HAPPY that it WORKED out for
me the way i DID because, i COULDN'T love my
wife more than i do and i think she's my soulmate.
(38:43):
And we have the cutest baby and, everything's perfect but
every lady When, buck was, single who Walked away From The,
Buckster big? Mistake? Just, LIKE julia, robertson, PRETTY women big
mistake huge well i think yeah i think that if
you walk away from a relationship and then the guy
ends up getting married. AND he's got a good family
and everything else, i THINK a lot of those women
look back and i DO think the One thing that
(39:06):
you nailed is i do, think instagram has changed, it
because in years past you dated a guy but. People
had to come meet him right like you. In order
to know, who your friend was dating, you went to
lunch or you went to dinner or you went, to
a party or a social event with them. And you
judge them based on face to face there wasn't as
(39:27):
much of An? Immediate oh what does it look like on?
Instagram WHAT does it look like on social media and
i think that many women have fallen victim to what
is the social? Media reaction going to, Be, to my
new guy and, if it's not. Hey this is the
perfect guy then they're unhappy. And look the numbers look
like that were true lots. Of, women out there are
(39:48):
now never Getting, married yes well that's this is. Why
it's actually this is. Not a, Minor, Thing this is
a big issue you know Elon and there's a. Whole
OTHER conversation here about elon's Approach To this, but i
have tremendous respect for, elon he's fantastic says we're not
having enough babies which is true if, you look, the chart,
on us babies over time. It's just you know slowly
but surely, going down, marriage formation has also been going
(40:12):
down not catastrophically and it's actually had, a bit of
a rebound in. Some demographics RECENTLY but marriage, formation is,
going down and play i think, that you know we
are the first generation now we're seeing the first generation
now that has. HAD this, kind of social media and online.
Presence i mean here's a perfect example of this how
many women out there when, they post a, photo with their,
(40:34):
not let's say not their husband but you know their
boyfriend or fiance if, they're the same height or. He's,
A little SMALLER would feel weird about it yeah, i
THINK i think the number is very high which. I
Think is a little Silly in my opinion caller jared is.
A former, Navy. Seal, And he's five to three what's up.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Jared yes i'm, so HONORED to finally Get through to,
You guys.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
But i haven't ever i'll be.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Honest i've never tried To Get through you guys but
it was with, Rush limbaugh, and with, You the subject
going on, I'm like oh lord i've got to call.
In I've got to try it one more. Time and
i'm so.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Honored to Actually be, on thank You very much so.
Speaker 6 (41:22):
The.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Navy program they want, navy sills to be short the shorter,
you are and stealthier. You'll be and less.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Hidden so it.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Doesn't matter they'll take Tall, men but. As, a, Five,
foot three ex navy very proud.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Okay so jared you're a badass and we. Love you
and we, appreciate, you serving our country let? Me ask?
You though tallest? Woman you've ever dated, five six, okay you,
no But also, you know you know you know a
navy guy. You show them. The anchor, tattoo in your
bicep you're a seal you. Know you're a little bit, of,
a special, Case i'm just gonna say this like you. Know,
(42:10):
i'm sure, you did fine with the ladies.
Speaker 10 (42:13):
Well, you know the, point of the matter, is hey
in my, world the shorter you, are and in this world.
The batterer you are the, MORE stealth you are but
you know what again i go.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Back, to when you get in the real world yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
It's kind of. Hard to get a woman.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
When you're my.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Size, Thank, you for the call appreciate. You calling in
jared thank you for Your service We Got to talk
back here from russell AND salt lake see see he listens.
On kN Rs Where We. Are consistently number. One thank, you, salt,
lake city we love you. Play it guys guys. Guys
got it all wrong it's not.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
THE height it's the guitar in.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
The guy's hands i think it's. The flute personally but
if we in everybody's hands what percentage of? MUSICIANS rock
BANDS got Into Music solely for girls i mean i
think dave navarro, of what is? He, nine inch Nails Or, no,
not nine? Inches, well Red Hot Chili. Peppers, RIGHT was
he yeah red hot chili pepper sorry, i think he's
(43:14):
like five two or five three. Like some of these
guys that are on stage, oh you never see anyone
REALLY sort, of Standing some of these? Big rock i? Mean?
Wasn't prince was like four he. Was tiny Yeah actually
pretty good basketball player too remember. This chappelle skit like
that was based in reality prince was A high. School
basketball Pretty good player in the Minneapolis, area josh in
(43:35):
california wants to? Weigh? And, JOSH what do you have for.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Us hey yeah i was just calling, because while women can.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Hold menus standards of height why can't, we hold them
to the standards?
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Of you know weight and? TAKING care, of themselves, can
they cook a meal i. Mean you know it's got
to be.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Both ways when it comes to a successful, marriage it's
not always if the guy's, just tall, but.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
If, The, woman's just kind of you know.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
PRETTY josh josh you're a preaching the choir here a
man who says that he doesn't want to date, a
fat woman is considered, to be AND like even women,
are just like. Oh when i just said that it's
completely unacceptable. Yet you can, CONTROL in some way your
weight women saying yeah i. WON'T date short guys totally
(44:22):
considered to be acceptable i think that's probably the biggest
disconnect between what men are allowed. To say and what
women are allowed to say. Women can judge men on
things they can't control men. Can't even judge women. On
things they can control welcome to modern life it's. IT'S
a jungle out there. In the dating world i will
(44:43):
tell you that so to all of. Our short kings,
and the ladies who love. Them god bless you stay
strong and stand tall
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