June 22, 2025 • 23 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sunday hang is brought to you by Chalk Natural Supplements
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at Chalk dot com, bold reverence, and occasionally random. The
Sunday Hang with Playin' Fuck podcast starts now. Bunk has
gotten fired up about this because he can't believe that
(00:21):
it's real. Some of you may have seen this. I
believe it was Monday night. The Atlanta Braves are playing
the Toronto Blue Jays, and the Braves broadcast has a
basically sideline reporter who is a young, you know, good
looking guy who is working the sideline and he is
(00:41):
interviewing two different girls, cute blonde girls in the crowd
who appear to be Braves fans. I believe here is
what it sounded like. This is cut twenty four. The
video is out. We'll post it at clayanbuck dot com.
If you have not seen this, this has gone megaviral.
But here's what it sounded like if you were watching
this baseball game Monday night.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
We having a lot of fun up here. Off the
coroner rooftop, Who do we got you?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
What's your name?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
My name is Lauren Laurence, all right, and I'm Kayla, Kayla,
and you guys hang out the rooftop lounge.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Often once a year I come out to visit. Okay,
well we timed it pretty well.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
All right.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Good. How are you guys feeling my roof for the
Braves today? I don't know. I'm hoping for the bus.
What about you? Are you Braves fan?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Now?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Not?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Quiet?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Quiet? All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna go to work
up here, guys, good luck the rest of the way.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Okay, Wiley, we got five innings, four innings to get
the numbers. Come on, come on, get us some more
Braves fans.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
All right, So they want me to get your number.
They want you to go.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I'm dead serious, they're saying to my right now. Shouldn't
believe me because she thinks you guys are are not
making this up. Even if you guys weren't, I might
use that in the future. That's a pretty good move.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Okay. So it continues. You can hear the girl in
the background saying they want you to get my number,
and he ends up getting one of these girls numbers.
It goes viral and Buck, you have seen the reaction
and you've been texting me. I sent it to you
because I was like, I think you'll enjoy this. Many
members of the sports media have lost their mind. They
(02:13):
are saying this is misogynistic. They are saying this is
completely unprofessional. You've seen the reactions. Can you believe the
reactions to that lighthearted clip that we just played for you.
Claig knows he can do this because he tells me,
but I don't. As you all know, I don't pay
any attention to the sports media commentary world really, so
(02:33):
I just this is like it says, no Clays telling
me about the latest Broadway theater critics or something. I
just don't follow them, so I don't know. And he goes, oh, no,
you don't understand how woke they are. And he sends
me this stuff and it's like throwing steak in the
lion den. I completely freak out because all I can
think about is the sports media does this, Of all
the media to do this, the people that are talking
(02:55):
about guys you know, swinging bats and throwing balls and
doing all this stuff and making all this money, and
you know, some of them have cheerleaders on the sidelines
or you know, dancers at halftime. They're free. It's in
my mind, even though he tells me my mind continues
to be blown because it's I don't even know as possible, Clay,
(03:17):
what a kill joy? I mean, who could? If you
can't let you, I will read you a couple people
because some of you don't know. This is a woman
named Danny Sirek. She is on the sideline, someway or
doing something. So are we still going to ask women
in sports if they're only doing their job to date athletes?
(03:39):
We can all agree how inappropriate and nasty. This is
not to mention the double standard. Right, these are not athletes,
These are girls in the stands. Right, But this is
a sportsman. Here's a man. This is a man who
writes ostensibly mean to put a man? Do we have
to put man in quotes? Well, this is a guy.
(04:01):
Can we send him some chalk? Because the tea levels,
I'm telling you, sub medical grade. You're gonna hear this
near ostensibly this is a man. Ralph Vacciano tweets you
just heard this clip an unprofessional disgrace from the reporter,
to the guys in the booth, to the producer in
(04:22):
the truck who could have stopped it at any point.
It's not fun it's not cool, it's not harmless, and
it's only a standard for harassment. This is a guy
who covers sports like I feel my estrogen level rising
just from listening to this. There were a bunch of
(04:46):
these guys in these girls who lose their mind. I
have been arguing that. Frankly, I found that a company
based on it. The disconnect between the average sports fan
and the average sports media member is more substantial than
the disconnect between media and any other group that consumes
their content anywhere. And let me hit you at this buck,
and this is my overall thesis. If you cover a
(05:09):
game for a living, that is your job is to
watch people play something, with very very few exceptions. Because
there are some people who are like, hey, I'm a
sports reporter, but I also cover trials so there could
be criminal cases, or I'm a sports business reporter and
I'm focused on the valuation of franchise things like that.
But if you cover the game itself, your job is
(05:34):
to make someone like something that they already like like
it more. And if you don't do that, you're doing
something wrong because your job is to talk about a sport.
Here's what I think is really happening. I think these
people everyone who criticized this Braves reporter, I think voted
for Kamala Harris overwhelmingly they hate fun. I also think
(05:56):
so many people in sports media are insecure because they're
grown ups who cover a game, and instead of embracing
the fun, they feel like they have to convince people
that they're capable sitting at the big, big kids table,
and so they wildly over analyze the significance of relatively fun,
(06:18):
not very significant moments. Clay, if a single guy can't
take his shot and ask a pretty lady for her
phone number, I don't even know what country we live
in anymore. It's definitely not America. This is the entire
basis for how every human gets together, right, Every baby
on some level required most of the time. Sometimes girls
get numbers. Most of the time it's guys requires a
(06:39):
guy to ask a girl for her phone number. Right,
This is the foundation of all of our existences. The
funniest thing is you can always tell when people ask
rhetorical questions and the rhetorical question is obviously wrong and stupid,
meaning they think that it's like, oh, what would have
happened if a woman had asked a guy. If the
roles were the guy would be doing backflips. What are
you talking about? In attractive female say if he's single,
(07:01):
and if you're not, you just say I'm married, or
you say I have a girlfriend. But if a single
if an attractive sideline reporter came up to Clay pre
Laura or Buck pre Carrie and was like, hey, like,
can I have your phone number? I promise you we
wouldn't have been like I feel so harassed. It would
be the greatest moment of every guy's life. Now, women
don't think about this in the same way as men,
(07:23):
because if you're an attractive woman, you are being pursued
by men every moment of your life, right, I mean,
this is the reality. You go to the grocery store
a good looking guy, I mean, you're a good looking girl,
A guy might hit on you, right like you're at
the gym. Wherever you are, there are men who are
pursuing you. This is how biology works. By and large,
you might not like the guys that are pursuing you,
(07:45):
but the idea Buck to your point. If a pretty
girl in the stands has a microphone and she's interviewing
a guy and somebody remarks, hey, chemistry looks pretty good here.
You should ask him for his phone number, and he
got the phone number. Every guy in America would be like,
this is the coolest thing this ever happened. They're not
gonna rip the girl. This is a hero moment. Are
(08:06):
you kidding me? Everybody would say it was really cool
of the girl to take the to make the move,
and you know, the guy is the luckiest guy we've seen.
How you sort of get into this? How are people
supposed to meet people?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Right? What is now?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
That? Is it all just? It's only algorithms online where
you're you're you know, you're at arms distance and you
don't actually have to deal with the possibility of like
rejecting somebody or actually talking to them. I mean what
I Clay, when you sent me that, I swear I
kept reading through it and it was just like, my my,
Fortunately I have a lot of hair, but I was
pulling the hair out of my head. I could not
(08:42):
Understick is the only sports media site in the entire
country that will say, there's nothing wrong with this. This
is good, lighthearted fat I mean to me, this is
almost like you know, at the end of a local
news cast. They'll do like, oh, like a local mallard
in the park, you know, lost one of her something
happy to try to send people off to their day. Yes,
this is like a happy end of newscast kind of story.
(09:04):
It's like, oh, and she found her baby duckling, yay,
you know see tomorrow everybody. Uh, this is like a nice,
happy story. It's cute. Look, maybe she gave him a
fake number. Look, maybe it doesn't go to It doesn't matter.
It's a nice little exchange. Obviously, people think this this
woman that he's asking, you know, is an attractive young woman,
and it's all I just this is like it's like
(09:24):
Shakespearean comedy. It's like, this is the sort of thing
that in Western civilization we'd all sit around and smile
about it and be like, oh, isn't that fun and killjoy.
Sports reporters think that it undermines the seriousness of women
in the industry or something like are they just because
nobody watched the WNBA draft Clay, Like, what, what is
the problem here. They're also making a ridiculous argument that
(09:48):
this somehow equates to them dating a player or an athlete.
This is not the same thing at all. Thing to
do with that, not even those remotely close. And also
it's just a desperate desire to make yourself a victim
something nice happens on television. You know what, I already
tweeted this, but this is not going to surprise you.
(10:08):
I would if I own the Braves, I would totally
steer into this controversy. I would have them go on
a date at a game. I would have a reporter
assigned to cover the date during the course of the
during the course of the broadcast. You know this because
you've done this show long enough for me. My response
anytime somebody criticizes anything that I do is to do
(10:30):
it even more aggressively. Like some people are like, oh,
you know what, I'll take a step back. I'm like,
We're going to go faster, even faster into the controversy.
And I would totally lean into this because I think
what it does, and this was the basic foundation of
OutKick is I think that much of social media as BS.
I think that a lot of what people say there
(10:51):
is not representative of the real world. And if you
allow yourself to be governed by what people say on
social media, you end up making Marana decisions for your company,
for your brand, for your personal life. Because in the
analogy I've made for a long time, and I think
I'm being proven more right every single day, is it
would be like buck back in the day, Remember those
(11:13):
funny mirrors when you would go to a carnival and
some of them make you look super fat and some
of them make you look super skinny. If you tried
to adjust your diet based on a funhouse mirror, imagine
how broken your overall life would be. I think that's
the story of media. I think media used social media
as a representative, honest reflection of the real world and
(11:35):
tried to adjust their coverage as of a result, and
I think they lit themselves on fire. I think Trump
saw it. Certainly, we saw it in Sports without Kick
and Sanity's returning. But every time we have one of
these blow ups, I look at the comments like you did,
and I just I feel like I'm living in a
different world than the reality of the day to day
existence that I see it. Still, it's one of those
(11:58):
things where I didn't think we would really talk about
that because it would only be you know, there's some
people who you know they'll get mad at you if
you're like, hey, you know what can relax? You take
a deep breath. They're like, oh, I'm sorry, mister big
deep breath.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
People got mad at you and you were like, hey,
you know what, you should do more of walk And
people are like, oh, you're so such an elitist. Look
at you able toancy radio host with your walking daily
mm you know, I swear I'm not kidding. There are
a bunch of people that were attacking me, like, sorry,
some of us have jobs that don't I'm like, don't
allow you to find any time in the day to
go for a walk anywhere? Okay, I mean I'm sorry
(12:31):
you work in like the Fox con iPhone factory. This
is like me and I've said this to my boys
a lot, like, hey, you can do push ups anywhere.
I understand everybody doesn't have a fat, fancy gym membership,
but you can do push ups and sit ups pretty
much anywhere. I mean, people in jail sales get ripped
because they just sit around and do push ups and
sit ups all day. You can walk anywhere pretty much,
(12:52):
unless you either people that want to be bitter about
everything was my point, and you'll find that on the internet.
They just want to be bitter, but people that make
a living commenting on sports, instead of seeing this as
a viral clip and something that can bring everyone together
a lot of a lot. Clay's point is, it's not
that a cup A lot of them were attacking this
twenty thirty people with substantial audiences like this is unacceptable?
(13:12):
How dare this be allowed to occur? Real people are
so nuts? Are totally nuts? It is? It is crazy. Anyway,
if you're a single guy, go ask a pretty girl
for her phone number, and hopefully you'll have kids one
day and that will be the foundation of your health.
Or if we're if you're a nice young woman and
you find a guy who's single and you think he's cute,
(13:34):
ask him. I promise you if he's not going to
be offended, he's not going to be offended. You're not
going to be offended. I promise you could be like,
oh dare you?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
How dare you? Madam?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
One of the most intimidating things that any man ever
has to do is ask a pretty girl for her
phone number, her contact information, because it sets you up
for rejection. As everybody who's ever been to prom everybody
who's ever been to a dance men have to ask overwhelmingly. Yeah,
if you're a pretty girl and you like a guy,
go for it. But I got my battleship. I got
my battle ship sunk plenty of times before I got married.
(14:02):
And you know what, Built's character Sunday Sizzle with Clay
and Buck whole line from the movie Roadhouse be nice
until it's time not to be nice. I think that
first of all, great great reference. Roadhouse one of the
most watchable absurd movies ever made. Uh being remade it,
(14:24):
and now they're making the Roadhouse too. Write you watched
I never saw the remake. No, I bet I don't
even have to. It had like the little Irish m
m A guy in it. What's his name? Not the
new one Patty? Yeah, Connor McGregor, No, no, no, I
don't know. If I want to be on record with
Buck is saying that Connor McGregor is a little Irish guy.
I'm that's fair. I'm not saying he can't again, he's
(14:49):
an actor. I'm gonna be having to get us somewhere
and there's gonna be a tap on my shoulder and
that little Irish guy is gonna be there kicking my
ass and I'm gonna be like, no, it was back
who said it. I didn't have anything to do with it.
Jay gillinall Is is playing the lead role. Right, Yeah,
it's said in the it is a It is a
Patrick Swayze classic. For those of you who have not
(15:10):
seen it, it is absolutely absurd. Like the whole movie.
He lives across the lake from the main bad guy.
He's like, somehow knows karate. He went to NYU, Like
none of it adds. The movie makes absolutely he he goes,
he gets stabbed in a knife fight, and the nurse
who's tending to him is like a sports illustrated swimsuit
(15:32):
model who lives in this gorgeous who lives in this
small town and then wants to go roll around with
this guy and like the actual barn that he lives in.
I'm just look, not all heroes wear capes. Was pretty
amazing that he was able to pull this off in
the movie. But yes, it is very very a Sam
Elliott by the way, some great Sam Elliott stuff. What
(15:53):
does he keep does he call him kimosabe or what's
his uh me me miho? He calls a miho in
the movie Is there a bet? This is a fun debate.
Is there a better nineteen eighties era range of actor
range than Patrick Swayze for wildly successful movies that had
(16:15):
nothing in common? Because if you think about just off
the top of my head, Ghost, Dirty Dancing, and Roadhouse,
like the difference between Roadhouse and Ghost is or Roadhouse,
and I guess point Break is nineties. But point Break
would be another great one to add. And then some
of you are going to remember this, and this is
(16:36):
the history nerd in me. He also played a Civil
War soldier or this is I don't know how many
of you ever gonna remember this Civil War? Civil War
Camp Clay. Yeah, this we just sat around to watch
this movie. And he played a Confederate general or E.
Maine from South Carolina. The range of Patrick swayzey excellence
(16:59):
to your if you was Point Break nineteen ninety, it
might have been just the very right around. But I mean,
if you think about Ghost, if you think of Dirty Dancing, Roadhouse,
North and South, and Love and War, which was like
this television mini series epic based on the John Jakes
novels of the Civil War, and man, I may well
(17:20):
have super nerded myself out there. I don't know how
many of you read these in the eighties, but I did,
and the because of the mini series was so popular,
Patrick swayzey might have had the best acting career of
anyone range super successful movies in the nineteen eighties. I mean,
like Arnold Schwarzenegger basically played Arnold Schwarzenegger, right, Sylvester Stallone
(17:44):
basically played Sylvester Stallone. I know there's some exceptions, like
Arnold Schwarzenegger was in Twins with Danny DeVito, where he
was funny kindergarten cop. It's not a Tuma, it's one
of his. There are a few ex but oh, Michael Barry,
our buddy down in Houston, just texted me read I mean,
remember how good he was and Red Dawnery in the
nineteen eighties. And as part of I mean, I just
(18:06):
want to say, well played, mister Barry, well played. He's
got a great show in Houston for those of you
that are listening to us right now. But I mean,
think about it. Is he This is this maybe the
most aggressive, crazy argument I've made. Is Patrick Swayze the
most underrated nineteen eighties movie actor of all time. I
don't know if he could. I don't think he's underrated enough.
(18:28):
I don't think he's underrated. I think that well, he
passed away with cancer sadly some years ago, but I
just think that he didn't he didn't stay as big
for like long. But I think that he was. I
think in the eighties he was a true leading man
and was getting his dude, look at the movie. Was
he the best nineteen eighties actor? If you consid now
(18:49):
you're getting now, you're getting created, now you're calling range
on range, I think there's a sway there's an under disrespected,
under the radar argument for Patrick Swayze's excellent is a
generation you you gen X people like Paccino and DeNiro
way too much. So that's always, uh, that always comes
(19:10):
up in this. I've never been Robert de Niro plays
the same character in everything the same thing, and everything
the same you know, Italian Mafia, like, yes, the whole
the whole thing. I've never I think that I would
put them in the really overrated category actually of actors. Yeah,
that's that's a hot take for you. Some of the
people in the Northeast, we got a lot of New Jersey,
(19:31):
New York listeners, they're not gonna like that one. But
I'm just telling you, Okay, yeah, Goodfellas is very watchable,
but like, let's calm down, it's not as great as
everybody protects. Michael Berry still firing, by the way, the
Outsiders all nineteen eighties. I'm I'm gonna maybe have to
die on this hill. But I think Harris Harrison Ford
was big, was huge in the eighties. Indiana Jones, right,
so you'd you're you're saying best acting range range, like
(19:55):
he's Indiana. Basically Harrison Ford is Indiana Jones or Han
Solo in those movies across the board, right the range
of Dirty Dancing to Roadhouse to Red Dawn. Is there
better nineteen eighties performance than Patrick Swayzee. I'm not sure.
I'm not sure we can beat him, and I actually don't.
I don't. I would, I would love to disagree with you,
(20:17):
but I actually can't come up with anything on the
fly here to refute your argument, which makes me think
that it's not as crazy as my initial I mean, like,
Michael Jay Fox was great, and I'm going to talk
about testosterone here in a minute, but Michael J. Fox
also wasn't taking over, you know, like a country right
in a in a in a or a bar or
what it wasn't like an action hero. And you know
(20:39):
Patrick Swayze in the eighties, you know what, I bet
he had, Buck, unbelievable levels of testosterone. I bet his
testosterone levels were through the roof. You can't make pottery
like that in Ghost and then also simultaneously simultaneously beat
everybody's ass in Roadhouse without incredible levels of testosterone. He's
a lover and he was a fighter.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
This is not gonna surprise you, but we are deluged.
Michael Barry says, I didn't know this. He's evidently a
fount of Patrick Swayzee knowledge, our Houston lead in phenomenal
talent down there. Patrick Swayzee legend in Houston. Mom ran
a famous dance studio for decades. He came up through
(21:20):
the dance studio family known by everybody. Michael Barry unexpected
savant when it comes to Patrick Swayzee knowledge and a
lot of you firing away. But Buck, you have you
have someone that you think is a more successful range
actor from the nineteen eighties that you thought about during
break And I don't even know the answer here, Yet,
(21:42):
I think we have to bring Tom Hanks into the
conversation here. I think we have to bring Tom Hanks in.
You're talking Splash, Big, Turner and Hooch, Dragnet. You know,
you get a hole and then he gets into like
Philadelphia Forrest Guman. That's early, that's the nineties. I knew.
(22:04):
I would argue you probably made a good case for
Tom Hanks in the nineties to be the actor with
no But all those movies I named were eighties, So
that's Turner and Hooch, Dragnet, Splash. He was a little
more of a kind of romantic lead comedy guy in
the eighties and then very much transitioned into like leading
man serious roles. To be fair, the transition really occurs
(22:26):
right around nineteen nineties, so your premise still holds, which
I'm bitter having to say that, But yes, was big
nineteen eighties. Yes, Tom Hanks Big. That was By the way,
you want to talk about a movie that is super creepy,
super creepy in retrospect, ten year old boy sleeping with
you know, like, I'm not sure that movie holds up
(22:48):
really well as you get to be an adult. It's
great when you're tid, when you watch it and you're like, oh,
we got we got some VIPs real quick here Tom
Cruise and my friend Garrett just texted, he's listening. He's
Tom Cruise. I don't know if Tom Cruise has range.
I think he's probably the biggest leading man of all time.
Him and Harrison Ford probably neck and neck. Also, vip
(23:10):
Rick writes Harrison Ford much greater range, Witness, Working Girl,
so many more. Maybe true, although I feel like Harrison
Ford always just plays Harrison Ford. I don't know. I agree.
I think Harrison Ford's always Harrison Ford, and again Tom Cruise,
always Tom Cruise. I think my argument's right here. I
think Patrick Swayze is the actor with the greatest range
of the nineteen eighties. You can argue otherwise and be
(23:32):
wrong
Sunday hang is brought to you by Chalk Natural Supplements
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at Chalk dot com, bold reverence, and occasionally random. The
Sunday Hang with Playin' Fuck podcast starts now. Bunk has
gotten fired up about this because he can't believe that
(00:21):
it's real. Some of you may have seen this. I
believe it was Monday night. The Atlanta Braves are playing
the Toronto Blue Jays, and the Braves broadcast has a
basically sideline reporter who is a young, you know, good
looking guy who is working the sideline and he is
(00:41):
interviewing two different girls, cute blonde girls in the crowd
who appear to be Braves fans. I believe here is
what it sounded like. This is cut twenty four. The
video is out. We'll post it at clayanbuck dot com.
If you have not seen this, this has gone megaviral.
But here's what it sounded like if you were watching
this baseball game Monday night.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
We having a lot of fun up here. Off the
coroner rooftop, Who do we got you?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
What's your name?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
My name is Lauren Laurence, all right, and I'm Kayla, Kayla,
and you guys hang out the rooftop lounge.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Often once a year I come out to visit. Okay,
well we timed it pretty well.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
All right.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Good. How are you guys feeling my roof for the
Braves today? I don't know. I'm hoping for the bus.
What about you? Are you Braves fan?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Now?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Not?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Quiet?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Quiet? All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna go to work
up here, guys, good luck the rest of the way.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Okay, Wiley, we got five innings, four innings to get
the numbers. Come on, come on, get us some more
Braves fans.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
All right, So they want me to get your number.
They want you to go.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I'm dead serious, they're saying to my right now. Shouldn't
believe me because she thinks you guys are are not
making this up. Even if you guys weren't, I might
use that in the future. That's a pretty good move.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Okay. So it continues. You can hear the girl in
the background saying they want you to get my number,
and he ends up getting one of these girls numbers.
It goes viral and Buck, you have seen the reaction
and you've been texting me. I sent it to you
because I was like, I think you'll enjoy this. Many
members of the sports media have lost their mind. They
(02:13):
are saying this is misogynistic. They are saying this is
completely unprofessional. You've seen the reactions. Can you believe the
reactions to that lighthearted clip that we just played for you.
Claig knows he can do this because he tells me,
but I don't. As you all know, I don't pay
any attention to the sports media commentary world really, so
(02:33):
I just this is like it says, no Clays telling
me about the latest Broadway theater critics or something. I
just don't follow them, so I don't know. And he goes, oh, no,
you don't understand how woke they are. And he sends
me this stuff and it's like throwing steak in the
lion den. I completely freak out because all I can
think about is the sports media does this, Of all
the media to do this, the people that are talking
(02:55):
about guys you know, swinging bats and throwing balls and
doing all this stuff and making all this money, and
you know, some of them have cheerleaders on the sidelines
or you know, dancers at halftime. They're free. It's in
my mind, even though he tells me my mind continues
to be blown because it's I don't even know as possible, Clay,
(03:17):
what a kill joy? I mean, who could? If you
can't let you, I will read you a couple people
because some of you don't know. This is a woman
named Danny Sirek. She is on the sideline, someway or
doing something. So are we still going to ask women
in sports if they're only doing their job to date athletes?
(03:39):
We can all agree how inappropriate and nasty. This is
not to mention the double standard. Right, these are not athletes,
These are girls in the stands. Right, But this is
a sportsman. Here's a man. This is a man who
writes ostensibly mean to put a man? Do we have
to put man in quotes? Well, this is a guy.
(04:01):
Can we send him some chalk? Because the tea levels,
I'm telling you, sub medical grade. You're gonna hear this
near ostensibly this is a man. Ralph Vacciano tweets you
just heard this clip an unprofessional disgrace from the reporter,
to the guys in the booth, to the producer in
(04:22):
the truck who could have stopped it at any point.
It's not fun it's not cool, it's not harmless, and
it's only a standard for harassment. This is a guy
who covers sports like I feel my estrogen level rising
just from listening to this. There were a bunch of
(04:46):
these guys in these girls who lose their mind. I
have been arguing that. Frankly, I found that a company
based on it. The disconnect between the average sports fan
and the average sports media member is more substantial than
the disconnect between media and any other group that consumes
their content anywhere. And let me hit you at this buck,
and this is my overall thesis. If you cover a
(05:09):
game for a living, that is your job is to
watch people play something, with very very few exceptions. Because
there are some people who are like, hey, I'm a
sports reporter, but I also cover trials so there could
be criminal cases, or I'm a sports business reporter and
I'm focused on the valuation of franchise things like that.
But if you cover the game itself, your job is
(05:34):
to make someone like something that they already like like
it more. And if you don't do that, you're doing
something wrong because your job is to talk about a sport.
Here's what I think is really happening. I think these
people everyone who criticized this Braves reporter, I think voted
for Kamala Harris overwhelmingly they hate fun. I also think
(05:56):
so many people in sports media are insecure because they're
grown ups who cover a game, and instead of embracing
the fun, they feel like they have to convince people
that they're capable sitting at the big, big kids table,
and so they wildly over analyze the significance of relatively fun,
(06:18):
not very significant moments. Clay, if a single guy can't
take his shot and ask a pretty lady for her
phone number, I don't even know what country we live
in anymore. It's definitely not America. This is the entire
basis for how every human gets together, right, Every baby
on some level required most of the time. Sometimes girls
get numbers. Most of the time it's guys requires a
(06:39):
guy to ask a girl for her phone number. Right,
This is the foundation of all of our existences. The
funniest thing is you can always tell when people ask
rhetorical questions and the rhetorical question is obviously wrong and stupid,
meaning they think that it's like, oh, what would have
happened if a woman had asked a guy. If the
roles were the guy would be doing backflips. What are
you talking about? In attractive female say if he's single,
(07:01):
and if you're not, you just say I'm married, or
you say I have a girlfriend. But if a single
if an attractive sideline reporter came up to Clay pre
Laura or Buck pre Carrie and was like, hey, like,
can I have your phone number? I promise you we
wouldn't have been like I feel so harassed. It would
be the greatest moment of every guy's life. Now, women
don't think about this in the same way as men,
(07:23):
because if you're an attractive woman, you are being pursued
by men every moment of your life, right, I mean,
this is the reality. You go to the grocery store
a good looking guy, I mean, you're a good looking girl,
A guy might hit on you, right like you're at
the gym. Wherever you are, there are men who are
pursuing you. This is how biology works. By and large,
you might not like the guys that are pursuing you,
(07:45):
but the idea Buck to your point. If a pretty
girl in the stands has a microphone and she's interviewing
a guy and somebody remarks, hey, chemistry looks pretty good here.
You should ask him for his phone number, and he
got the phone number. Every guy in America would be like,
this is the coolest thing this ever happened. They're not
gonna rip the girl. This is a hero moment. Are
(08:06):
you kidding me? Everybody would say it was really cool
of the girl to take the to make the move,
and you know, the guy is the luckiest guy we've seen.
How you sort of get into this? How are people
supposed to meet people?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Right? What is now?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
That? Is it all just? It's only algorithms online where
you're you're you know, you're at arms distance and you
don't actually have to deal with the possibility of like
rejecting somebody or actually talking to them. I mean what
I Clay, when you sent me that, I swear I
kept reading through it and it was just like, my my,
Fortunately I have a lot of hair, but I was
pulling the hair out of my head. I could not
(08:42):
Understick is the only sports media site in the entire
country that will say, there's nothing wrong with this. This
is good, lighthearted fat I mean to me, this is
almost like you know, at the end of a local
news cast. They'll do like, oh, like a local mallard
in the park, you know, lost one of her something
happy to try to send people off to their day. Yes,
this is like a happy end of newscast kind of story.
(09:04):
It's like, oh, and she found her baby duckling, yay,
you know see tomorrow everybody. Uh, this is like a nice,
happy story. It's cute. Look, maybe she gave him a
fake number. Look, maybe it doesn't go to It doesn't matter.
It's a nice little exchange. Obviously, people think this this
woman that he's asking, you know, is an attractive young woman,
and it's all I just this is like it's like
(09:24):
Shakespearean comedy. It's like, this is the sort of thing
that in Western civilization we'd all sit around and smile
about it and be like, oh, isn't that fun and killjoy.
Sports reporters think that it undermines the seriousness of women
in the industry or something like are they just because
nobody watched the WNBA draft Clay, Like, what, what is
the problem here. They're also making a ridiculous argument that
(09:48):
this somehow equates to them dating a player or an athlete.
This is not the same thing at all. Thing to
do with that, not even those remotely close. And also
it's just a desperate desire to make yourself a victim
something nice happens on television. You know what, I already
tweeted this, but this is not going to surprise you.
(10:08):
I would if I own the Braves, I would totally
steer into this controversy. I would have them go on
a date at a game. I would have a reporter
assigned to cover the date during the course of the
during the course of the broadcast. You know this because
you've done this show long enough for me. My response
anytime somebody criticizes anything that I do is to do
(10:30):
it even more aggressively. Like some people are like, oh,
you know what, I'll take a step back. I'm like,
We're going to go faster, even faster into the controversy.
And I would totally lean into this because I think
what it does, and this was the basic foundation of
OutKick is I think that much of social media as BS.
I think that a lot of what people say there
(10:51):
is not representative of the real world. And if you
allow yourself to be governed by what people say on
social media, you end up making Marana decisions for your company,
for your brand, for your personal life. Because in the
analogy I've made for a long time, and I think
I'm being proven more right every single day, is it
would be like buck back in the day, Remember those
(11:13):
funny mirrors when you would go to a carnival and
some of them make you look super fat and some
of them make you look super skinny. If you tried
to adjust your diet based on a funhouse mirror, imagine
how broken your overall life would be. I think that's
the story of media. I think media used social media
as a representative, honest reflection of the real world and
(11:35):
tried to adjust their coverage as of a result, and
I think they lit themselves on fire. I think Trump
saw it. Certainly, we saw it in Sports without Kick
and Sanity's returning. But every time we have one of
these blow ups, I look at the comments like you did,
and I just I feel like I'm living in a
different world than the reality of the day to day
existence that I see it. Still, it's one of those
(11:58):
things where I didn't think we would really talk about
that because it would only be you know, there's some
people who you know they'll get mad at you if
you're like, hey, you know what can relax? You take
a deep breath. They're like, oh, I'm sorry, mister big
deep breath.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
People got mad at you and you were like, hey,
you know what, you should do more of walk And
people are like, oh, you're so such an elitist. Look
at you able toancy radio host with your walking daily
mm you know, I swear I'm not kidding. There are
a bunch of people that were attacking me, like, sorry,
some of us have jobs that don't I'm like, don't
allow you to find any time in the day to
go for a walk anywhere? Okay, I mean I'm sorry
(12:31):
you work in like the Fox con iPhone factory. This
is like me and I've said this to my boys
a lot, like, hey, you can do push ups anywhere.
I understand everybody doesn't have a fat, fancy gym membership,
but you can do push ups and sit ups pretty
much anywhere. I mean, people in jail sales get ripped
because they just sit around and do push ups and
sit ups all day. You can walk anywhere pretty much,
(12:52):
unless you either people that want to be bitter about
everything was my point, and you'll find that on the internet.
They just want to be bitter, but people that make
a living commenting on sports, instead of seeing this as
a viral clip and something that can bring everyone together
a lot of a lot. Clay's point is, it's not
that a cup A lot of them were attacking this
twenty thirty people with substantial audiences like this is unacceptable?
(13:12):
How dare this be allowed to occur? Real people are
so nuts? Are totally nuts? It is? It is crazy. Anyway,
if you're a single guy, go ask a pretty girl
for her phone number, and hopefully you'll have kids one
day and that will be the foundation of your health.
Or if we're if you're a nice young woman and
you find a guy who's single and you think he's cute,
(13:34):
ask him. I promise you if he's not going to
be offended, he's not going to be offended. You're not
going to be offended. I promise you could be like,
oh dare you?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
How dare you? Madam?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
One of the most intimidating things that any man ever
has to do is ask a pretty girl for her
phone number, her contact information, because it sets you up
for rejection. As everybody who's ever been to prom everybody
who's ever been to a dance men have to ask overwhelmingly. Yeah,
if you're a pretty girl and you like a guy,
go for it. But I got my battleship. I got
my battle ship sunk plenty of times before I got married.
(14:02):
And you know what, Built's character Sunday Sizzle with Clay
and Buck whole line from the movie Roadhouse be nice
until it's time not to be nice. I think that
first of all, great great reference. Roadhouse one of the
most watchable absurd movies ever made. Uh being remade it,
(14:24):
and now they're making the Roadhouse too. Write you watched
I never saw the remake. No, I bet I don't
even have to. It had like the little Irish m
m A guy in it. What's his name? Not the
new one Patty? Yeah, Connor McGregor, No, no, no, I
don't know. If I want to be on record with
Buck is saying that Connor McGregor is a little Irish guy.
I'm that's fair. I'm not saying he can't again, he's
(14:49):
an actor. I'm gonna be having to get us somewhere
and there's gonna be a tap on my shoulder and
that little Irish guy is gonna be there kicking my
ass and I'm gonna be like, no, it was back
who said it. I didn't have anything to do with it.
Jay gillinall Is is playing the lead role. Right, Yeah,
it's said in the it is a It is a
Patrick Swayze classic. For those of you who have not
(15:10):
seen it, it is absolutely absurd. Like the whole movie.
He lives across the lake from the main bad guy.
He's like, somehow knows karate. He went to NYU, Like
none of it adds. The movie makes absolutely he he goes,
he gets stabbed in a knife fight, and the nurse
who's tending to him is like a sports illustrated swimsuit
(15:32):
model who lives in this gorgeous who lives in this
small town and then wants to go roll around with
this guy and like the actual barn that he lives in.
I'm just look, not all heroes wear capes. Was pretty
amazing that he was able to pull this off in
the movie. But yes, it is very very a Sam
Elliott by the way, some great Sam Elliott stuff. What
(15:53):
does he keep does he call him kimosabe or what's
his uh me me miho? He calls a miho in
the movie Is there a bet? This is a fun debate.
Is there a better nineteen eighties era range of actor
range than Patrick Swayze for wildly successful movies that had
(16:15):
nothing in common? Because if you think about just off
the top of my head, Ghost, Dirty Dancing, and Roadhouse,
like the difference between Roadhouse and Ghost is or Roadhouse,
and I guess point Break is nineties. But point Break
would be another great one to add. And then some
of you are going to remember this, and this is
(16:36):
the history nerd in me. He also played a Civil
War soldier or this is I don't know how many
of you ever gonna remember this Civil War? Civil War
Camp Clay. Yeah, this we just sat around to watch
this movie. And he played a Confederate general or E.
Maine from South Carolina. The range of Patrick swayzey excellence
(16:59):
to your if you was Point Break nineteen ninety, it
might have been just the very right around. But I mean,
if you think about Ghost, if you think of Dirty Dancing, Roadhouse,
North and South, and Love and War, which was like
this television mini series epic based on the John Jakes
novels of the Civil War, and man, I may well
(17:20):
have super nerded myself out there. I don't know how
many of you read these in the eighties, but I did,
and the because of the mini series was so popular,
Patrick swayzey might have had the best acting career of
anyone range super successful movies in the nineteen eighties. I mean,
like Arnold Schwarzenegger basically played Arnold Schwarzenegger, right, Sylvester Stallone
(17:44):
basically played Sylvester Stallone. I know there's some exceptions, like
Arnold Schwarzenegger was in Twins with Danny DeVito, where he
was funny kindergarten cop. It's not a Tuma, it's one
of his. There are a few ex but oh, Michael Barry,
our buddy down in Houston, just texted me read I mean,
remember how good he was and Red Dawnery in the
nineteen eighties. And as part of I mean, I just
(18:06):
want to say, well played, mister Barry, well played. He's
got a great show in Houston for those of you
that are listening to us right now. But I mean,
think about it. Is he This is this maybe the
most aggressive, crazy argument I've made. Is Patrick Swayze the
most underrated nineteen eighties movie actor of all time. I
don't know if he could. I don't think he's underrated enough.
(18:28):
I don't think he's underrated. I think that well, he
passed away with cancer sadly some years ago, but I
just think that he didn't he didn't stay as big
for like long. But I think that he was. I
think in the eighties he was a true leading man
and was getting his dude, look at the movie. Was
he the best nineteen eighties actor? If you consid now
(18:49):
you're getting now, you're getting created, now you're calling range
on range, I think there's a sway there's an under disrespected,
under the radar argument for Patrick Swayze's excellent is a
generation you you gen X people like Paccino and DeNiro
way too much. So that's always, uh, that always comes
(19:10):
up in this. I've never been Robert de Niro plays
the same character in everything the same thing, and everything
the same you know, Italian Mafia, like, yes, the whole
the whole thing. I've never I think that I would
put them in the really overrated category actually of actors. Yeah,
that's that's a hot take for you. Some of the
people in the Northeast, we got a lot of New Jersey,
(19:31):
New York listeners, they're not gonna like that one. But
I'm just telling you, Okay, yeah, Goodfellas is very watchable,
but like, let's calm down, it's not as great as
everybody protects. Michael Berry still firing, by the way, the
Outsiders all nineteen eighties. I'm I'm gonna maybe have to
die on this hill. But I think Harris Harrison Ford
was big, was huge in the eighties. Indiana Jones, right,
so you'd you're you're saying best acting range range, like
(19:55):
he's Indiana. Basically Harrison Ford is Indiana Jones or Han
Solo in those movies across the board, right the range
of Dirty Dancing to Roadhouse to Red Dawn. Is there
better nineteen eighties performance than Patrick Swayzee. I'm not sure.
I'm not sure we can beat him, and I actually don't.
I don't. I would, I would love to disagree with you,
(20:17):
but I actually can't come up with anything on the
fly here to refute your argument, which makes me think
that it's not as crazy as my initial I mean, like,
Michael Jay Fox was great, and I'm going to talk
about testosterone here in a minute, but Michael J. Fox
also wasn't taking over, you know, like a country right
in a in a in a or a bar or
what it wasn't like an action hero. And you know
(20:39):
Patrick Swayze in the eighties, you know what, I bet
he had, Buck, unbelievable levels of testosterone. I bet his
testosterone levels were through the roof. You can't make pottery
like that in Ghost and then also simultaneously simultaneously beat
everybody's ass in Roadhouse without incredible levels of testosterone. He's
a lover and he was a fighter.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
This is not gonna surprise you, but we are deluged.
Michael Barry says, I didn't know this. He's evidently a
fount of Patrick Swayzee knowledge, our Houston lead in phenomenal
talent down there. Patrick Swayzee legend in Houston. Mom ran
a famous dance studio for decades. He came up through
(21:20):
the dance studio family known by everybody. Michael Barry unexpected
savant when it comes to Patrick Swayzee knowledge and a
lot of you firing away. But Buck, you have you
have someone that you think is a more successful range
actor from the nineteen eighties that you thought about during
break And I don't even know the answer here, Yet,
(21:42):
I think we have to bring Tom Hanks into the
conversation here. I think we have to bring Tom Hanks in.
You're talking Splash, Big, Turner and Hooch, Dragnet. You know,
you get a hole and then he gets into like
Philadelphia Forrest Guman. That's early, that's the nineties. I knew.
(22:04):
I would argue you probably made a good case for
Tom Hanks in the nineties to be the actor with
no But all those movies I named were eighties, So
that's Turner and Hooch, Dragnet, Splash. He was a little
more of a kind of romantic lead comedy guy in
the eighties and then very much transitioned into like leading
man serious roles. To be fair, the transition really occurs
(22:26):
right around nineteen nineties, so your premise still holds, which
I'm bitter having to say that, But yes, was big
nineteen eighties. Yes, Tom Hanks Big. That was By the way,
you want to talk about a movie that is super creepy,
super creepy in retrospect, ten year old boy sleeping with
you know, like, I'm not sure that movie holds up
(22:48):
really well as you get to be an adult. It's
great when you're tid, when you watch it and you're like, oh,
we got we got some VIPs real quick here Tom
Cruise and my friend Garrett just texted, he's listening. He's
Tom Cruise. I don't know if Tom Cruise has range.
I think he's probably the biggest leading man of all time.
Him and Harrison Ford probably neck and neck. Also, vip
(23:10):
Rick writes Harrison Ford much greater range, Witness, Working Girl,
so many more. Maybe true, although I feel like Harrison
Ford always just plays Harrison Ford. I don't know. I agree.
I think Harrison Ford's always Harrison Ford, and again Tom Cruise,
always Tom Cruise. I think my argument's right here. I
think Patrick Swayze is the actor with the greatest range
of the nineteen eighties. You can argue otherwise and be
(23:32):
wrong
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