July 6, 2025 • 24 mins
Clay’s theory on the settlement of North America and how it could have happened from West to East. Is it okay to ask people to help you move or pick you up from the airport?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
So funny what people get fired up about Northeast. People
are fired up because I said nobody would live there
if we had settled west to east.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
How dare you, Southern fellow? How dare you?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm just saying the West Coast is better than the
East Coast geographically, weather wise, weather wise Northeast. I like, well, anyway,
here is Henry, Syracuse, New York.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
He's upset. BB let's hear what he play.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
I gotta tell you, as someone who lives in Upstate
New York, your theory on the least populated place in
the Northeast would not withstand. The reason that is why
is because of the amount of freshwater we have here.
They don't have any water out west. They would go
and look and find water and end up here.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
You don't don't mess with my Upstate New York fam
and think that you're going to get away with that.
Mister Tennessee, all right, you leave us northeasterners alone.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I think there would have been plenty of water for
the early settlers who were on the West. Like I
don't remember people dying of lack of water in San
Francisco or Los Angeles back in the day. Now the
cities have grown so much that there is a massive
demand for water.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Now, and that's actually a huge issue.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
It's certain.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Let's sake, let's get James and Houston in real quick. Here,
he also takes issue with Clay's offhand comment go ahead, James,
through history.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
Yeah, through history, commerce in trade has determined where population
cities are. If we were still trading with Europe, East
would be the place people would live. I mean, if
you look at cities like Chicago and Houston, what has
made them it's trade or access to the water way.
New Orleans is the same way. You can go back
(02:03):
in history. Jerusalem was founded as a trade posting with Damascus.
That is where people settle. It has doesn't deal with weather.
If it did, Houston would not have the population they did.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
James, James, I love it. I'm just gonna say, what
rivers does Clay have in Tennessee? Not the cool ones
that we do in the northeast. I thought our caller,
James from Houston, was erudite.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
I thought he was.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
On point and describing how despite what Clay may think.
And I'm gonna let you guys on a little secret.
Clay wears flip flops like all the time, Okay, all
the time. Now, if you were to wear flip flops constantly,
you too would probably think that weather was the most
important determination for where you would live. He also wears
shorts a lot. I'm just gonna say it. He's a
(02:47):
shorts and flip flops guy. I live in Miami, and
I'm gonna say I think I wear pants more than
Clay does. Probably true, Probably true. But our caller says
that commerce, waterways, proximity to Europe and the and the
trading relationship, they're more important than sunny California weather. If
(03:08):
the set If we could have settled differently, Clay, you
want to respond to this, uh, scholarly, I will say, scholarly.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Phone call, Very good call from Houston. Here is my argument.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
If we had settled west to east, then their relationships
with Asia would have been more paramount than our relationships
with Europe ended up being.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Now that becomes.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Competition, a lot, a lot bigger, a lot more time
to traverse, so that would have been far more complicated.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
But okay, I'll let you keep rolling on this second
part of this. He is correct. I am a nerd
about transportation. There are a lot of things that I
care way too much about that embarrass my kids and
my wife. When it comes to just nerdy things, I
am like James where I will drive through a city
and I will regularly talk to my kids about two
(03:57):
things that drive them crazy. One is transportation and why
cities exist where they are. And it is correct. The
rivers and streams were the initial highways of America and
typically many of our cities now which people don't think about,
were located in places where ships could easily pull up
(04:19):
and disgorge their goods. Right, so I lived in the
Caribbean for instance. For any of you that have ever
been to Saint Thomas, US Virgin Islands, I'm still a
licensed attorney there as well. Your your first call at St. Thomas,
I would be an amazing St. Thomas lawyer. Uh if
you pull in and uh you pull in there at
(04:40):
a cruise ship, it's kind of crazy. The reason why
Saint Thomas is a popular Caribbean destination to this day
is because it has a natural deep water port. That is,
you're able to pull in a ship and go right
up to the water and take off all of the
hoods on that ship.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
It's actually very rare if you think about it.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Most places like the land slopes down very gradually. It's
how a beach would work right like you come in,
or it's right up against a rock formation in Saint Thomas.
The reason why it's still a popular port in the
Caribbeans to this day for carnival cruise ships, Royal Caribbean,
whatever else, is because you can pull a huge cruise
(05:23):
ship up and actually disembark right on the land. Very
rare doesn't exist very many places. That is also why
New York City is popular today as it is as
a harbor. That is why Charleston is popular. These places
along the coast had more access to ships. So our
caller this is probably again, I think about this a
great deal embarrassingly such the caller is not wrong. However,
(05:48):
if you think about when we finally got to the West,
it was not until basically the railroad era.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
Really you needed trains.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
You needed trains But this goes to I think his
first of all, I like, how excited about.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Geography nerdom You're getting here because I.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Transportation and shipping costs and all of these things. Love
the love the geography. The issue that you would have
if California and the West Coast had been settled first,
I think is first starting off Asia the Pacific, far bigger,
more complicated, more time consuming just in terms of transport
than getting from Europe to hear right, But put that,
put that aside.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Now we're talking about the land mass the And I
know some of you are like, Buck, why are you
taking shots at Tennessee's river? We have the Tennessee River,
the Cumberland River, I know, but I just wanted to
poke at Clay for a second because he was talking.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Smack at the great river network in the state of Tennessee.
Quite quite fond of our river network.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
The original before the before the locomotive comes along, Right,
the most important things for for commerce by far, not
even close. Really all commerce in essence, I mean all
meaningful uh tonnage of commerce. When you're looking at tonnage,
it has to be via rivers. This is why the
Hudson River, which is now just a place that people
think is pretty in New York and in the Hudson Valley.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
The Hudson River was the most important.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Waterway in the early era of this of North America
by far right, which is why West Point and Bennet
mcdarnold and all that was so important as well, because
if you could have cut off access to the Hudson River,
you would have maybe been able to and the war,
the war, the insurrection if you will, against the British,
and then you get into the Great Lakes, the Great
Lakes which because of the canal Canal Erie Canal, and
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then gets us into Chicago, Chicago named for I think
an algonquin word for stinky onion, Chicaqua, and the Mississippi
River Base and a lot I don't I was going
to get there, and you get the Louisiana Purchase and
the Mississippi River basin is probably the most impressive. It's
like God's or you know, God slash Nature's same thing
(07:51):
highway system that we inherited with the Louisiana Purchase, which
is the most impressive system of rivers. I mean, you've
got some pretty good stuff in Europe too, but are
aavigable rivers because of the Mississippi River basin, were incredible
for commerce and allowed for the phase settlement of this
country to be as successful as it was.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
And the Lewis and Clark Expedition, which I have argued
should be a program and would immediately become the most
popular show in America if they would make it, and
I've been arguing that for four years on this program book.
The entire purpose of the Lewis and Clark Expedition from
a business perspective, other than mapping and checking floora at
fauna and different animals, was to see if there was
(08:33):
a way to go across the entire continent and access
the Pacific Ocean. Was there a major river that could
act as a highway? Now back to James's point, Yeah, wait, wait.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I got something on James's point too, though, Clay to
your theory though, I'm just throwing it out there. Mister
flip flops. California so nice. You're an early settler, pre
railroad for railroads. Change the game, right, You're a pre railroad.
You're in California. It's all beautiful and nice. What happens
when you find yourself in Nevada, no offense, Nevada not
throwing shade. What happens when you're in the desert surrounded
(09:05):
by rattlp snakes in heal of monsters in Arizona, you know,
like this is would have been This would have been tough,
not sledding, because it's not sledding, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
This would have been turned ba to go.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
That's my argument. You would turn back and be like,
why would I leave the Garden of Eden? You would
stay on the West coast. But by the time we
got to settling the West coast and I'm leaving aside
the Oregon Trail and all of that era, we had moved,
to call her James's point, from a predominantly ocean and
ship based commerce system to the trans continental railroad, which
(09:39):
then became at that point in time around you know,
the eighteen sixties, during the Civil War, the railroad system
took over to such an extent that whether you had
a railroad stop became the foundation of your city's success,
such that we have a lot of cities then that
grew up that were not necessarily located on rivers and
(10:03):
streams that were the primary source of distribution. So you
end up with a lot of different cities that have
blown up in an era where the railroad was the
primary transportation and communication hub. So I think by the
time we got all the way to the East coast,
my point is, it would have been a situation where
(10:23):
the railroad would have become more predominant than the rivers
and streams.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Well, I agree with James from Houston.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So now I'm gonna throw something else your way, and
we just want to get some of you fired up
over this. I remember there was a conversation we had
on this show. Well, Clint, I actually agreed. I like
it when I get to disagree with them and we
get to fight it out on the air. But I
actually agree with them that the expectation that most people
have that you should be picked up from the airport
in the era of Uber, especially in major metropolitan area
(10:51):
lit up over this.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
This is a little bit. I agreed.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah, I agree with Clay. I'm like, this is you know,
my family just came to visit. I was like, great,
take an Uber. I'm happy to send the uber for anyone,
happy to set it up. It's not that, but don't
make me drive in rush hour traffic. In Miami to
the airport and then drive in rush hour because there's
nothing but traffic here when it's rush hour. Just like
a lot of other you want to go to JFK
Airport in New York at the wrong time. You know,
(11:16):
I hope you brought some snacks because you're gonna be
on on that highway trying to get yourself the airport
for about two hours. Okay, it's a nightmare, all right.
That was something that a lot of you disagree with
us on.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
That's fine. That was Anyone who agreed with us is right.
Who disagree was wrong, Clay.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
More than a third of people according to the New
York Post here and new data that has been put
out of a poll of two thousand adults. So they
really they decided to really go after this with a
new study. A third of people thirty eight percent hate
being asked to move right so moving by either family
(11:51):
or friends, to move your residence, to move your domicile
thirty eight percent. I just want to throw this out there, Clay.
If I had a choice between you and saying, hey buddy,
I need help moving, or Hey buddy, don't tell Laura
I'm stuck in Tijuana, and I need you to come
and bribe the police to get me out of here
(12:12):
before anyone finds out. I think I'm taking door number two.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Moving is the.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Absolute worst, and unless you are an immediate family member
or romantically involved with somebody, I think asking them to
help you move is just going way too far. I
think there's reasons why we got moving companies.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
This is a good test for how pretty the girl
is or how much the guy likes you, because there
is no guy who's like, yeah, you know what I
want to spend Saturday Sunday doing moving a bunch of
stuff from one apartment to another in a city. I
have been in this situation college age. A lot of
you have where you're in your twenties and you're moving
from one place to another. Juez just carry stuff across Washington, DC,
(12:54):
because it's so expensive to rent moving vans that we
would just I remember carrying multiple mattresses just from one
side of a DC through another on the street with
like just a couple of guys like, hey, we're just
gonna throw this in the you know, like we're literally
gonna carry this rather than try to move it. I
agree completely that this is bad. I think it's probably
(13:18):
the number one thing that people ask for you to do,
and you're like you.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Probably have you ever been asked to help somebody move
and you're just like, sorry, hard passed, can't do it.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
I haven't been asked since.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
You Know.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
What's funny is we're in the process of moving and
it's gonna take like eight months. I have no idea
when the new house is going to be done, but
I am already thinking my boys, my two oldest, seventeen
and fourteen year old. I'm like, these guys should be
carrying everything now. They're the ones who are always doing
push ups. They're trying to impress girls by getting in shape.
I've been married twenty one years. I'm getting to be
(13:53):
an old guy. They should be in charge between the
two of them now of moving everything. I'm starting to
feel a little bit like a farmer buck. Remember back
in the day, you had a lot of kids because
you just needed labor at the farm. We don't have
a farm, but for the move process, I think I'm
going to put the Travis boys to work, and.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Dear boys do daily chores or daily chores, something that
you assign them or not really.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
They so to their credit. They are really good kids,
and they spend way more time at school than we ever.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I don't know about you.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
They leave at six am and they do not get
home at the end of the day some days till
like six thirty or seven o'clock at night, because they
have so many different obligations at school. I think we
layer more stuff on kids now than we did then.
So they have obligations around the house, but they're not
massively substantial. And my wife would say, if she were
(14:46):
listening right now, that the misery of being a mom
of three boys who are two teenagers and me, who
was probably the one that she would say is the
most difficult is she basically lives in a frat house.
And like all frat houses, my boys basically live in
a pig style all the time. So there is pizza
(15:07):
boxes everywhere, there are potato chip bags. The beer obviously
has not started. But I told my wife's joking with
my wife the other day, I was like, you never
wanted to. You know, no girl ever once when she
walked into a frat house. They're never like, oh, this
is amazing, you know, sorority house is really nice, pretty
well kept frat houses are all just de dumps. She
(15:28):
now lives in a frat house because the boys are messes.
And then you layer it on with me.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I'll put this out there for any of you. What
are the rules for who you can or you should
or should not ask to help you move? Do you
agree with me that it is immediate family love interest
and that is it? Or would you ask a good buddy?
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Like I said, Clay tells me that he's in prison
in Beijing. He's a tourist over there, and he needs
me to make calls to state department, fly over, do
a little you know, hostage trade.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Fine.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Clay says, I need you to help me move. Buck,
I don't know Jesse. Kelly's tall, He's probably got good leverage.
Call him, Like, I just think the rules here need
to be pretty clear.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Great email here from Jennings. Jennings says, Buck, friends help
you move, real friends.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Help you move. Bodies?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Whoa whoa?
Speaker 6 (16:21):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
That is when you know you got somebody who's in
your proverbial foxhole. You show up with the dead body
and you're like, hey, I got to move something. You're like, what,
you move into a new apartment? No dead body and
they grab a shovel. That's how you become an accomplice.
And it's been the rest of your life in prison
too if you get caught.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Just FYI Sunday hang with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I think our audience in general, I think our wonderful
listeners are perhaps even nicer than we are, because they
both seem very very decisive when it comes to picking
up friends and family from the airport themselves, which.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
You and I were oddman out on that one. And
also a lot of.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
You I think have helped people move, and not not
immediate family or a love interest, right because the guys
out there, you know, you know, you're a few months
into dating a gallery liker. She says, can you help
me move? The answer is yes, if you want to.
If you want to, you know, get to the uh,
get to the altar. So yeah, man, I think that
(17:27):
people we just have very nice, giving people who listened
because they weren't like I wouldn't help somebody move. I
think moving is one of the most stressful, annoying things
you can possibly do. I've had to move over ten
times as an adult. I moved an apartment from DC
to New York and drove the drove the U haul
all by myself one time, which was a quite So
(17:49):
did all the moving, all the packing, all the driving,
all the unloading.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
How many times did you move in New York City
from one apartment to another?
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (17:56):
Gosh, six or seven times at least? Yeah? Maybe yes,
Just that.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Just is miserable to me.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I mean, we're in the process of moving now, and
I just I need to just vanish and then just
show up and everything's back in new places.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Like It's my tip for people with moving, for any
of you who are thinking about or have to do
it at some point. First of all, don't ever think
of moving day as the day when the things happen.
Moving day has to be the day that things just
get moved. You want to start packing at least you
ready for this, at least a week in advance of
(18:31):
the actual trucks, whether you're driving the truck or someone
else's driving the truck, whatever it may be. And you
want to start with your closets. Start with the closets,
because I know a lot of you out there, you're
like me, you're hoarders. You probably have lots of just
books and things, and you stack them up in the
(18:51):
closets and you have no idea how much stuff you've got.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Well, Laura Travis, if she is listening, is definitely nodding
because I don't even know when we're gonna move, and
we've already started the moving process, Like I mean, the
packing has begun and we may not even be out
of this house for months.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I know we're not going to be out of this
house for an a lot of hoping.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Very very nice.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
You're like, I would help, I would help you and
Clay move you people. You people really are the.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Best Sundays with Clay and Buck playing Buck.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
I disagree hot girlfriend has to show up and be
eye candy encouragement to help you move.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Don't expect you to carry anything. That's what your buddies
are for. You're right that she should at least help
by showing up.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
This is sky rolling out of the for people who
missed it earlier, one of our guys said that he
broke up with his hot girlfriend because she wouldn't help
him move. You and I disagreed with that decision. But Scott,
I think an important analysis here.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Scott is saying, if the hot girlfriend will show up
in gene shorts, and a tank top and encourage you.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
That's enough.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I'm not going to disagree with Scott from South Carolina.
I think if you get that, you're doing really well.
But do not expect hot girlfriend when you're a guy.
I know a lot of you have him in single
in a very long time.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
You do not.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
A guy does not expect hot girlfriend to carry heavy
things on moving day. I'm sorry it wiesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I will say, Buck, this is like your Miami gym theory.
If you have attractive people walking around, you work harder
like that is basically the entire theory of the of
the process. And this is also it's the number one
rule of bar life. The prettier the girls, the more
money in general, the bar is gonna make.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
It's true.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
So I used to have ladies Night, right. I don't
think they can do ladies night anymore because all the
bars started getting sued for you know this, They started
getting sued for equal protection violations because they were being
discriminating on the basis of sex.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
So women can come in.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
And drink for free or get in for free, and
it turned into a lawsuit festival. I don't think they
advertised Ladies Night hardly at any bars anymore because of
that reason.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Sunday Drop with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Of you weighing in on the moving story that Buck
brought up yesterday, I will say, right off the top,
if I had to pick either me or my wife
as a moving padre companion, she's way better at moving
and packing. Not as strong. That's the only advantage that
(21:20):
I think I would have. But she would probably say
your wife not as strong. No, your wife is jacked.
She's like an She can lift ten times your body weight.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
I've seen her for.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
One hundred and ten pounds. Ish, my wife is very,
very strong, but it is hard to be super strong
at one hundred and ten pounds. But we got a
couple of different people who went to weigh in quickly
here at the end of the program. But she would
also say, Buck, I would break a lot more things.
Marie from Florida wants the way in.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Ee Hey, Clay and Buck.
Speaker 8 (21:50):
It's Marie in Florida, and I just wanted to say
that I also disagree with hot girl not having to
help her boyfriend move. He should at least show up,
drive the truck, make some kool aid, do something. I mean,
that just shows what kind of a caring, reciprocal person
you are. So from a female perspective, she should have
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at least participated and tried to act like she was
going to carry a box.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I'm gonna say I like her, I like her thought
process on this, Clay, but she's talking about future wifey
girlfriend when you're just talking about hot girl girlfriend. I
don't know if she shows up for anything, but there's
some there's a lesson there.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Sunday Sizzle with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
See, we had a call or actually was a talkback
and he and he said that he broke up with
his hot too hot for him, he said, like too
hot to be dating him. But you know, sometimes we
get lucky in life. All guys can hope my wife
is too hot for me, but she married me, so
I'm I'm pleased. You know, I'll take it.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
But too hot for him didn't help him move.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
He broke up with her.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I got, I got Carol Markowitz and Lisa Booth Clay
fired up about this. Remember they're on the Clay and
Buck podcast networks, so go subscribe.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
They both do.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Lisa Booth Carol Markuitz do great shows. Listen on this
weekend for all the ladies out there. By the way,
two of the best hosts in the business of podcasting,
Lisa and Carol, subscribe to Clay and Buck Network. Let's
start with weigh in on should your hot girlfriend help
you move? Controversy. We'll start with Carol Markowitz. Hit it
to start with.
Speaker 9 (23:23):
Carol Markowitz from The Carol Markowitz Show, and normally so,
my first instinct is that no girlfriend, hot or not,
should help you move. It's just not our department. I'm
big on heteronormative division of labor. Help you decorate when
you move in sure, even help you unpack. Okay, but Carrie,
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heavy boxes. That's what your guy friends are for. Having
said that, when you're in your twenties, anything goes. I
definitely helped boyfriends move at that age. But if you
are looking for that more traditional setup as as you
get older, where men do the heavy, yucky stuff and
kill bugs along the way while women care for the home,
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cook take care of the children, and generally coordinate life,
then you start that kind of thing early on. And
the hot girlfriend did nothing wrong.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Carol Wade in what do you think?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I think Carol should read every book I don't know
that anybody has a better voice than Carol. I mean,
I know MPR is getting unfunded, but they should actually
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
So funny what people get fired up about Northeast. People
are fired up because I said nobody would live there
if we had settled west to east.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
How dare you, Southern fellow? How dare you?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm just saying the West Coast is better than the
East Coast geographically, weather wise, weather wise Northeast. I like, well, anyway,
here is Henry, Syracuse, New York.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
He's upset. BB let's hear what he play.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
I gotta tell you, as someone who lives in Upstate
New York, your theory on the least populated place in
the Northeast would not withstand. The reason that is why
is because of the amount of freshwater we have here.
They don't have any water out west. They would go
and look and find water and end up here.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
You don't don't mess with my Upstate New York fam
and think that you're going to get away with that.
Mister Tennessee, all right, you leave us northeasterners alone.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I think there would have been plenty of water for
the early settlers who were on the West. Like I
don't remember people dying of lack of water in San
Francisco or Los Angeles back in the day. Now the
cities have grown so much that there is a massive
demand for water.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Now, and that's actually a huge issue.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
It's certain.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Let's sake, let's get James and Houston in real quick. Here,
he also takes issue with Clay's offhand comment go ahead, James,
through history.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
Yeah, through history, commerce in trade has determined where population
cities are. If we were still trading with Europe, East
would be the place people would live. I mean, if
you look at cities like Chicago and Houston, what has
made them it's trade or access to the water way.
New Orleans is the same way. You can go back
(02:03):
in history. Jerusalem was founded as a trade posting with Damascus.
That is where people settle. It has doesn't deal with weather.
If it did, Houston would not have the population they did.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
James, James, I love it. I'm just gonna say, what
rivers does Clay have in Tennessee? Not the cool ones
that we do in the northeast. I thought our caller,
James from Houston, was erudite.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
I thought he was.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
On point and describing how despite what Clay may think.
And I'm gonna let you guys on a little secret.
Clay wears flip flops like all the time, Okay, all
the time. Now, if you were to wear flip flops constantly,
you too would probably think that weather was the most
important determination for where you would live. He also wears
shorts a lot. I'm just gonna say it. He's a
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shorts and flip flops guy. I live in Miami, and
I'm gonna say I think I wear pants more than
Clay does. Probably true, Probably true. But our caller says
that commerce, waterways, proximity to Europe and the and the
trading relationship, they're more important than sunny California weather. If
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the set If we could have settled differently, Clay, you
want to respond to this, uh, scholarly, I will say, scholarly.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Phone call, Very good call from Houston. Here is my argument.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
If we had settled west to east, then their relationships
with Asia would have been more paramount than our relationships
with Europe ended up being.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Now that becomes.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Competition, a lot, a lot bigger, a lot more time
to traverse, so that would have been far more complicated.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
But okay, I'll let you keep rolling on this second
part of this. He is correct. I am a nerd
about transportation. There are a lot of things that I
care way too much about that embarrass my kids and
my wife. When it comes to just nerdy things, I
am like James where I will drive through a city
and I will regularly talk to my kids about two
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things that drive them crazy. One is transportation and why
cities exist where they are. And it is correct. The
rivers and streams were the initial highways of America and
typically many of our cities now which people don't think about,
were located in places where ships could easily pull up
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and disgorge their goods. Right, so I lived in the
Caribbean for instance. For any of you that have ever
been to Saint Thomas, US Virgin Islands, I'm still a
licensed attorney there as well. Your your first call at St. Thomas,
I would be an amazing St. Thomas lawyer. Uh if
you pull in and uh you pull in there at
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a cruise ship, it's kind of crazy. The reason why
Saint Thomas is a popular Caribbean destination to this day
is because it has a natural deep water port. That is,
you're able to pull in a ship and go right
up to the water and take off all of the
hoods on that ship.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
It's actually very rare if you think about it.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Most places like the land slopes down very gradually. It's
how a beach would work right like you come in,
or it's right up against a rock formation in Saint Thomas.
The reason why it's still a popular port in the
Caribbeans to this day for carnival cruise ships, Royal Caribbean,
whatever else, is because you can pull a huge cruise
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ship up and actually disembark right on the land. Very
rare doesn't exist very many places. That is also why
New York City is popular today as it is as
a harbor. That is why Charleston is popular. These places
along the coast had more access to ships. So our
caller this is probably again, I think about this a
great deal embarrassingly such the caller is not wrong. However,
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if you think about when we finally got to the West,
it was not until basically the railroad era.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
Really you needed trains.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
You needed trains But this goes to I think his
first of all, I like, how excited about.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Geography nerdom You're getting here because I.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Transportation and shipping costs and all of these things. Love
the love the geography. The issue that you would have
if California and the West Coast had been settled first,
I think is first starting off Asia the Pacific, far bigger,
more complicated, more time consuming just in terms of transport
than getting from Europe to hear right, But put that,
put that aside.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Now we're talking about the land mass the And I
know some of you are like, Buck, why are you
taking shots at Tennessee's river? We have the Tennessee River,
the Cumberland River, I know, but I just wanted to
poke at Clay for a second because he was talking.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Smack at the great river network in the state of Tennessee.
Quite quite fond of our river network.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
The original before the before the locomotive comes along, Right,
the most important things for for commerce by far, not
even close. Really all commerce in essence, I mean all
meaningful uh tonnage of commerce. When you're looking at tonnage,
it has to be via rivers. This is why the
Hudson River, which is now just a place that people
think is pretty in New York and in the Hudson Valley.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
The Hudson River was the most important.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Waterway in the early era of this of North America
by far right, which is why West Point and Bennet
mcdarnold and all that was so important as well, because
if you could have cut off access to the Hudson River,
you would have maybe been able to and the war,
the war, the insurrection if you will, against the British,
and then you get into the Great Lakes, the Great
Lakes which because of the canal Canal Erie Canal, and
(07:28):
then gets us into Chicago, Chicago named for I think
an algonquin word for stinky onion, Chicaqua, and the Mississippi
River Base and a lot I don't I was going
to get there, and you get the Louisiana Purchase and
the Mississippi River basin is probably the most impressive. It's
like God's or you know, God slash Nature's same thing
(07:51):
highway system that we inherited with the Louisiana Purchase, which
is the most impressive system of rivers. I mean, you've
got some pretty good stuff in Europe too, but are
aavigable rivers because of the Mississippi River basin, were incredible
for commerce and allowed for the phase settlement of this
country to be as successful as it was.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
And the Lewis and Clark Expedition, which I have argued
should be a program and would immediately become the most
popular show in America if they would make it, and
I've been arguing that for four years on this program book.
The entire purpose of the Lewis and Clark Expedition from
a business perspective, other than mapping and checking floora at
fauna and different animals, was to see if there was
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a way to go across the entire continent and access
the Pacific Ocean. Was there a major river that could
act as a highway? Now back to James's point, Yeah, wait, wait.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I got something on James's point too, though, Clay to
your theory though, I'm just throwing it out there. Mister
flip flops. California so nice. You're an early settler, pre
railroad for railroads. Change the game, right, You're a pre railroad.
You're in California. It's all beautiful and nice. What happens
when you find yourself in Nevada, no offense, Nevada not
throwing shade. What happens when you're in the desert surrounded
(09:05):
by rattlp snakes in heal of monsters in Arizona, you know,
like this is would have been This would have been tough,
not sledding, because it's not sledding, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
This would have been turned ba to go.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
That's my argument. You would turn back and be like,
why would I leave the Garden of Eden? You would
stay on the West coast. But by the time we
got to settling the West coast and I'm leaving aside
the Oregon Trail and all of that era, we had moved,
to call her James's point, from a predominantly ocean and
ship based commerce system to the trans continental railroad, which
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then became at that point in time around you know,
the eighteen sixties, during the Civil War, the railroad system
took over to such an extent that whether you had
a railroad stop became the foundation of your city's success,
such that we have a lot of cities then that
grew up that were not necessarily located on rivers and
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streams that were the primary source of distribution. So you
end up with a lot of different cities that have
blown up in an era where the railroad was the
primary transportation and communication hub. So I think by the
time we got all the way to the East coast,
my point is, it would have been a situation where
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the railroad would have become more predominant than the rivers
and streams.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Well, I agree with James from Houston.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So now I'm gonna throw something else your way, and
we just want to get some of you fired up
over this. I remember there was a conversation we had
on this show. Well, Clint, I actually agreed. I like
it when I get to disagree with them and we
get to fight it out on the air. But I
actually agree with them that the expectation that most people
have that you should be picked up from the airport
in the era of Uber, especially in major metropolitan area
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lit up over this.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
This is a little bit. I agreed.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah, I agree with Clay. I'm like, this is you know,
my family just came to visit. I was like, great,
take an Uber. I'm happy to send the uber for anyone,
happy to set it up. It's not that, but don't
make me drive in rush hour traffic. In Miami to
the airport and then drive in rush hour because there's
nothing but traffic here when it's rush hour. Just like
a lot of other you want to go to JFK
Airport in New York at the wrong time. You know,
(11:16):
I hope you brought some snacks because you're gonna be
on on that highway trying to get yourself the airport
for about two hours. Okay, it's a nightmare, all right.
That was something that a lot of you disagree with
us on.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
That's fine. That was Anyone who agreed with us is right.
Who disagree was wrong, Clay.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
More than a third of people according to the New
York Post here and new data that has been put
out of a poll of two thousand adults. So they
really they decided to really go after this with a
new study. A third of people thirty eight percent hate
being asked to move right so moving by either family
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or friends, to move your residence, to move your domicile
thirty eight percent. I just want to throw this out there, Clay.
If I had a choice between you and saying, hey buddy,
I need help moving, or Hey buddy, don't tell Laura
I'm stuck in Tijuana, and I need you to come
and bribe the police to get me out of here
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before anyone finds out. I think I'm taking door number two.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Moving is the.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Absolute worst, and unless you are an immediate family member
or romantically involved with somebody, I think asking them to
help you move is just going way too far. I
think there's reasons why we got moving companies.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
This is a good test for how pretty the girl
is or how much the guy likes you, because there
is no guy who's like, yeah, you know what I
want to spend Saturday Sunday doing moving a bunch of
stuff from one apartment to another in a city. I
have been in this situation college age. A lot of
you have where you're in your twenties and you're moving
from one place to another. Juez just carry stuff across Washington, DC,
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because it's so expensive to rent moving vans that we
would just I remember carrying multiple mattresses just from one
side of a DC through another on the street with
like just a couple of guys like, hey, we're just
gonna throw this in the you know, like we're literally
gonna carry this rather than try to move it. I
agree completely that this is bad. I think it's probably
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the number one thing that people ask for you to do,
and you're like you.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Probably have you ever been asked to help somebody move
and you're just like, sorry, hard passed, can't do it.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
I haven't been asked since.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
You Know.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
What's funny is we're in the process of moving and
it's gonna take like eight months. I have no idea
when the new house is going to be done, but
I am already thinking my boys, my two oldest, seventeen
and fourteen year old. I'm like, these guys should be
carrying everything now. They're the ones who are always doing
push ups. They're trying to impress girls by getting in shape.
I've been married twenty one years. I'm getting to be
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an old guy. They should be in charge between the
two of them now of moving everything. I'm starting to
feel a little bit like a farmer buck. Remember back
in the day, you had a lot of kids because
you just needed labor at the farm. We don't have
a farm, but for the move process, I think I'm
going to put the Travis boys to work, and.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Dear boys do daily chores or daily chores, something that
you assign them or not really.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
They so to their credit. They are really good kids,
and they spend way more time at school than we ever.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I don't know about you.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
They leave at six am and they do not get
home at the end of the day some days till
like six thirty or seven o'clock at night, because they
have so many different obligations at school. I think we
layer more stuff on kids now than we did then.
So they have obligations around the house, but they're not
massively substantial. And my wife would say, if she were
(14:46):
listening right now, that the misery of being a mom
of three boys who are two teenagers and me, who
was probably the one that she would say is the
most difficult is she basically lives in a frat house.
And like all frat houses, my boys basically live in
a pig style all the time. So there is pizza
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boxes everywhere, there are potato chip bags. The beer obviously
has not started. But I told my wife's joking with
my wife the other day, I was like, you never
wanted to. You know, no girl ever once when she
walked into a frat house. They're never like, oh, this
is amazing, you know, sorority house is really nice, pretty
well kept frat houses are all just de dumps. She
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now lives in a frat house because the boys are messes.
And then you layer it on with me.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I'll put this out there for any of you. What
are the rules for who you can or you should
or should not ask to help you move? Do you
agree with me that it is immediate family love interest
and that is it? Or would you ask a good buddy?
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Like I said, Clay tells me that he's in prison
in Beijing. He's a tourist over there, and he needs
me to make calls to state department, fly over, do
a little you know, hostage trade.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Fine.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Clay says, I need you to help me move. Buck,
I don't know Jesse. Kelly's tall, He's probably got good leverage.
Call him, Like, I just think the rules here need
to be pretty clear.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Great email here from Jennings. Jennings says, Buck, friends help
you move, real friends.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Help you move. Bodies?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Whoa whoa?
Speaker 6 (16:21):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
That is when you know you got somebody who's in
your proverbial foxhole. You show up with the dead body
and you're like, hey, I got to move something. You're like, what,
you move into a new apartment? No dead body and
they grab a shovel. That's how you become an accomplice.
And it's been the rest of your life in prison
too if you get caught.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Just FYI Sunday hang with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I think our audience in general, I think our wonderful
listeners are perhaps even nicer than we are, because they
both seem very very decisive when it comes to picking
up friends and family from the airport themselves, which.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
You and I were oddman out on that one. And
also a lot of.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
You I think have helped people move, and not not
immediate family or a love interest, right because the guys
out there, you know, you know, you're a few months
into dating a gallery liker. She says, can you help
me move? The answer is yes, if you want to.
If you want to, you know, get to the uh,
get to the altar. So yeah, man, I think that
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people we just have very nice, giving people who listened
because they weren't like I wouldn't help somebody move. I
think moving is one of the most stressful, annoying things
you can possibly do. I've had to move over ten
times as an adult. I moved an apartment from DC
to New York and drove the drove the U haul
all by myself one time, which was a quite So
(17:49):
did all the moving, all the packing, all the driving,
all the unloading.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
How many times did you move in New York City
from one apartment to another?
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (17:56):
Gosh, six or seven times at least? Yeah? Maybe yes,
Just that.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Just is miserable to me.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I mean, we're in the process of moving now, and
I just I need to just vanish and then just
show up and everything's back in new places.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Like It's my tip for people with moving, for any
of you who are thinking about or have to do
it at some point. First of all, don't ever think
of moving day as the day when the things happen.
Moving day has to be the day that things just
get moved. You want to start packing at least you
ready for this, at least a week in advance of
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the actual trucks, whether you're driving the truck or someone
else's driving the truck, whatever it may be. And you
want to start with your closets. Start with the closets,
because I know a lot of you out there, you're
like me, you're hoarders. You probably have lots of just
books and things, and you stack them up in the
(18:51):
closets and you have no idea how much stuff you've got.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Well, Laura Travis, if she is listening, is definitely nodding
because I don't even know when we're gonna move, and
we've already started the moving process, Like I mean, the
packing has begun and we may not even be out
of this house for months.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I know we're not going to be out of this
house for an a lot of hoping.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Very very nice.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
You're like, I would help, I would help you and
Clay move you people. You people really are the.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Best Sundays with Clay and Buck playing Buck.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
I disagree hot girlfriend has to show up and be
eye candy encouragement to help you move.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Don't expect you to carry anything. That's what your buddies
are for. You're right that she should at least help
by showing up.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
This is sky rolling out of the for people who
missed it earlier, one of our guys said that he
broke up with his hot girlfriend because she wouldn't help
him move. You and I disagreed with that decision. But Scott,
I think an important analysis here.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Scott is saying, if the hot girlfriend will show up
in gene shorts, and a tank top and encourage you.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
That's enough.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I'm not going to disagree with Scott from South Carolina.
I think if you get that, you're doing really well.
But do not expect hot girlfriend when you're a guy.
I know a lot of you have him in single
in a very long time.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
You do not.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
A guy does not expect hot girlfriend to carry heavy
things on moving day. I'm sorry it wiesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I will say, Buck, this is like your Miami gym theory.
If you have attractive people walking around, you work harder
like that is basically the entire theory of the of
the process. And this is also it's the number one
rule of bar life. The prettier the girls, the more
money in general, the bar is gonna make.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
It's true.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
So I used to have ladies Night, right. I don't
think they can do ladies night anymore because all the
bars started getting sued for you know this, They started
getting sued for equal protection violations because they were being
discriminating on the basis of sex.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
So women can come in.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
And drink for free or get in for free, and
it turned into a lawsuit festival. I don't think they
advertised Ladies Night hardly at any bars anymore because of
that reason.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Sunday Drop with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Of you weighing in on the moving story that Buck
brought up yesterday, I will say, right off the top,
if I had to pick either me or my wife
as a moving padre companion, she's way better at moving
and packing. Not as strong. That's the only advantage that
(21:20):
I think I would have. But she would probably say
your wife not as strong. No, your wife is jacked.
She's like an She can lift ten times your body weight.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
I've seen her for.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
One hundred and ten pounds. Ish, my wife is very,
very strong, but it is hard to be super strong
at one hundred and ten pounds. But we got a
couple of different people who went to weigh in quickly
here at the end of the program. But she would
also say, Buck, I would break a lot more things.
Marie from Florida wants the way in.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Ee Hey, Clay and Buck.
Speaker 8 (21:50):
It's Marie in Florida, and I just wanted to say
that I also disagree with hot girl not having to
help her boyfriend move. He should at least show up,
drive the truck, make some kool aid, do something. I mean,
that just shows what kind of a caring, reciprocal person
you are. So from a female perspective, she should have
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at least participated and tried to act like she was
going to carry a box.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I'm gonna say I like her, I like her thought
process on this, Clay, but she's talking about future wifey
girlfriend when you're just talking about hot girl girlfriend. I
don't know if she shows up for anything, but there's
some there's a lesson there.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Sunday Sizzle with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
See, we had a call or actually was a talkback
and he and he said that he broke up with
his hot too hot for him, he said, like too
hot to be dating him. But you know, sometimes we
get lucky in life. All guys can hope my wife
is too hot for me, but she married me, so
I'm I'm pleased. You know, I'll take it.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
But too hot for him didn't help him move.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
He broke up with her.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I got, I got Carol Markowitz and Lisa Booth Clay
fired up about this. Remember they're on the Clay and
Buck podcast networks, so go subscribe.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
They both do.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Lisa Booth Carol Markuitz do great shows. Listen on this
weekend for all the ladies out there. By the way,
two of the best hosts in the business of podcasting,
Lisa and Carol, subscribe to Clay and Buck Network. Let's
start with weigh in on should your hot girlfriend help
you move? Controversy. We'll start with Carol Markowitz. Hit it
to start with.
Speaker 9 (23:23):
Carol Markowitz from The Carol Markowitz Show, and normally so,
my first instinct is that no girlfriend, hot or not,
should help you move. It's just not our department. I'm
big on heteronormative division of labor. Help you decorate when
you move in sure, even help you unpack. Okay, but Carrie,
(23:46):
heavy boxes. That's what your guy friends are for. Having
said that, when you're in your twenties, anything goes. I
definitely helped boyfriends move at that age. But if you
are looking for that more traditional setup as as you
get older, where men do the heavy, yucky stuff and
kill bugs along the way while women care for the home,
(24:07):
cook take care of the children, and generally coordinate life,
then you start that kind of thing early on. And
the hot girlfriend did nothing wrong.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Carol Wade in what do you think?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I think Carol should read every book I don't know
that anybody has a better voice than Carol. I mean,
I know MPR is getting unfunded, but they should actually
have Carol doing their updates at the end of every
hour because she has perfect voice. I will hear from others. Look,
I think that if you need your girlfriend to help
(24:40):
you carry a heavy box, your masculinity is in question.
You were probably a white guy for Kamala. Yes, you
were probably a white dude for Harris. If you need
help carrying boxes by your girlfriend, because she may be
stronger than you and have a bigger penis,
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United States of Kennedy is a podcast about our cultural fascination with the Kennedy dynasty. Every week, hosts Lyra Smith and George Civeris go into one aspect of the Kennedy story.
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com