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October 12, 2025 30 mins

Autograph etiquette. Taylor and Travis get engaged. Katie Miller talks about everything.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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You disagree? You got a strong take? What you got?

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hey, guys, I finally get through awesome. Hey, I have
to disagree with you there, Clay about the jerseys on one.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
About for a guy that's young, heard you.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I hap to be from Indiana and I moved down
here in Florida about sixteen years ago. I'm a huge
Peyton Manning fan and.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
I have his his jersey and don't think for one second.
Hold hold on, how old are you, Steve? I am
fifty three, okay, please, yeah, I'm forty six. I think
Manning is like forty eight. That's like same range, right,
I'm talking about If you're fifty three and you were

(01:02):
in Florida and you went to a game and you're
wearing a nineteen year old's jersey, I think it's a
weird look. So you're in the ballpark of a guy
that's around the same age. So I'm not really calling
you out. I'm calling out somebody my age forty six.
Who I got. I'm gonna go to the Florida State
game right, Alabama. If you're wearing a Ty Simpson jersey

(01:23):
and you are sixty and it's not your son, I
think you look like a weirdo candidly clat he's making
friends today. Now, if you want to wear a Joe
Namath jersey and you're sixty, it's like, okay, that guy's
older than you. Is this important rule? I think? CJ
and Raleigh, North Carolina? Do you own any jerseys? Buck? Me? Yeah?

(01:43):
I think Clay answer your own question? Does Buck own
any sports jerseys? I thought maybe you had an old
school like John Starks or Patrick's in a nineties only.
Do I not own a sports jersey? Clay, I have
never owned. I had jerseys for teams I play on,
but I've never owned your brothers own a jersey. I

(02:04):
don't think so. No, Uh, CJ in Raleigh, North Carolina?
What you got for us?

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yes, sir, I wanted to tell you. I heard you
say you're going to go to the h U T.
Georgia game coming up in September. I went to Peyton
Manning's last football game at UT I was staying at
the Marriott in ten, you know, in Knoxville, And when
I went to get in the elevator, the coach of
the Bulldogs got in with four big players and I

(02:31):
looked at him and I said, dude, I feel sorry
for you guys today because we're going to kick your butt.
And he looked at me and said, we're going to
a pep rally. Will you come with us? And I went,
are you gonna kill me? And he said no, Will
you walk into the pep rally in the big ballroom
of this hotel with me just for a minute? And
I said yeah, and I walked in and he got
everybody to be quiet and he said, now, what did

(02:53):
you just tell our boys? And I told him and
I used the other the ay word. I said, we're
going to kick your aid and he said, I thing,
it's time for you to leave. And I said in
that game and enjoyed that game so much. And I've
always been a Payton Manning fan.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Anyways, I thank you for the call. I give credit
to the coaches there. That is fun, right, like bring
in an opposing fan, get everybody riled up. What did
you tell me in the elevator We're gonna kick your ass?
That is fun Sunday hang with Clay and Buck. I
am going to make an argument here that is potentially
gonna blow some people's minds, and we'll probably have some

(03:28):
fun responses. We already have some salty emails about your
fixation on the Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey news. So
I'm gonna tell you why this matters. I believe that
one of the truest phrases of all time, I think
Andrew Breitbart was credited with it is politics is downstream
from culture, right. It is what you are seeing from

(03:51):
young men right now, I believe is directly connected to
the way that the culture has shifted around them. I
don't want to interrupt your train here. I just wanted
to say I think that Trump has actually reversed that maximum.
But that's a whole I think that that's a culture
is now downstream of politics in the Trump era. But yes,
well that's actually a super interesting concept because my argument

(04:15):
would be Trump has co opted much of the trends
that he is intuitive enough to have seen, and accelerated
and exacerbated them to a degree that they are impossible
to miss. But in general, whatever you think about this,
there are one hundred million girls today right now. Women.

(04:39):
Every woman in your life who is fourteen to forty
right now has got a girlfriend texting her about the
Taylor Swift endorsement. I mean engagement, and that is I
bet the number one thing being texted about all over

(05:01):
the country right now. And I guarantee you and may
not be hey, they're excited about it. It may be like, hey,
are they going to get divorced? Or can you believe this?
Every woman fourteen to forty has got a girlfriend right
now texting her about this, And it may be twelve
to forty. I'm telling you, I'm telling you every everything

(05:23):
just one play wants to see if I'm just gonna
like take a break from video and just jump out
the window and see if I'm okay, you know, if
I can land in the bushes or something, just anything
to escape. Every single one, every single one, all right
that has a phone, maybe there's some out there. And
if they don't, if they don't have a phone, they're
calling each other right now about it. They're sending emails.
Carrier pigeons flying across the night sky, right now, all right?

(05:44):
Why is that? What is the lesson that this that
they are taking from this? Taylor Swift has spent her
entire career singing about trying to find her mister Wright.
She's become a billionaire. I actually respect Taylor Swift. She
writes her own songs. As I said earlier, if you
wanted to pick someone in pop culture for your daughter

(06:05):
to aspire to emulate, which I'm not saying is healthy,
but we all know happens, Taylor Swift might be just
about the best role model there could be for a
little girl out there in pop culture. Okay, she's never
had scandals associated with her that she hasn't had. I

(06:26):
just I'm singing her praises as an individual and what
she's doing, Buck Buck, What she is doing is she
is pursuing a conservative lifestyle while saying she supports left
wing politics. And I think when you see this, you
cannot escape it. So many people out there on the left,

(06:50):
they talk left, but they live right. What did Taylor
Swift want a man to mary so she could have kids?
She wants her ultimate aspiration goal is a nuclear family.
This is what she's been seeking her entire life. Buck
her entire career is about finding a guy she can
marry and have babies with. It's actually very conservative and positive.

(07:16):
She didn't have kids out of wedlock. She hasn't been
married and divorced four times now. She's waited, yes into
her thirties to get married. I think they will have
bunches of babies. I think they will have them soon.
And I think there are going to be generations of
girls that will look at Taylor Swift and seek in
their own lives to emulate her. I also think that

(07:37):
when she gets married. Now. I've been critical of Travis
Kelcey because I think I know Travis Kelcey. I covered sports.
He is a lovable doult not a particularly smart guy,
not a particularly savvy guy, but the guy who likes
to laugh and is energetic and is a good locker

(07:57):
room guy. Every business has a Travis Kelsey in it.
Every team, if they're successful, has Travis Kelsey's in it.
I think that's what attracted Taylor Swift, and I think
that she is going to become more conservative. She may
still say the things that they say in Hollywood about Hey,
I'm I'm endorsing Kamala Harris and all these things, but

(08:21):
I believe that ultimately she went and got a football
playing dude instead of dating all these male feminists. And
I think it's going to be ultimately a net positive.
As politics is downstream from culture, I think a lot
of little girls and a lot of teenage girls, and
a lot of girls in their twenties and thirties looking

(08:41):
for mister Wright want what Taylor Swift has found, and
the nuclear family is ultimately the salvation of America. There
you go, Buck, that's a very positive take. You may
not ascribe to any of it. I'm telling you, I
think it's significant. It's yeah, obviously the fan and having
kids and not being married five times and not being

(09:03):
a degenerate. I mean, those are all good things. But
that's the most intricate analysis of Swift. Travis Kelsey I've
ever heard. Telling you that was like that was like
the Gettysburg address of Kelsey Swift analysis. I mean, that
is selling for all time. Probably probably the best take,
humbly that will happen on the Travis Kelcey Taylor Swift

(09:26):
marriage engagement and why it matters now if they end
up not getting married and she goes off and she
has eight kids out of wedlock, then it will not
have actually materialized. As I am telling you, but I
guarantee you with me, with my voice, my connection. Were
wrong off the way. Hold on a second, just just

(09:47):
to set the record straight here, buddy, weren't you wrong
about this relationship from the get go? Shouldn't we actually
have Lara Trump said, I mean sorry, Laura Travis, not Trump,
the other Laura, Lara Travis sending us a talk back
about what it's going to happen here because she knew
this would work. You, sir, were a doubting Clay. It's true.
That's very well played. By the way. All of that

(10:08):
is true. And that's why when the live on the air,
when this news broke, I lost. I've been arguing that
Travis Kelce was too dumb for Taylor Swift. But when
the facts change and the facts are changed, they are
now engaged. I am telling you that this is the
big takeaway and there is not a single fourteen to

(10:29):
forty years over the lines and see everybody, Rea, Let's
let's let's see what the people think about this one,
all right, Clay, Let's let's see what the people think.
The VIP emails are flowing in just to be sporting
about it. I'll let you choose which one of the
all caps shouting at you emails you would like to read.
Right now, these are old dudes who don't understand modern culture.

(10:51):
I'm trying to explain to you how to win. I
understand if you're a seventy year old dude listening to
us right now, you don't get why Travis Kelce and
Taylor Swift matters. Your granddaughters are texting about this right now,
and they're gonna be talking about it at Thanksgiving. And
because you just heard my breakdown, you steal that and
you're gonna be the coolest grandpa on the planet when

(11:13):
you deliver it at your Thanksgiving. Me I'm just telling you,
they're gonna be like, Grandpa, how did you? How did
you nail this? You say, Clay, Travis perfectly encapsulated why
this matters as a cultural moment. But you don't have
to give me credit. You can just be like, well,
I've been paying attention to the cultural trends. Oh my god, Clay,
says Rose Marie. Let me just say this, Buck, what

(11:36):
are the odds that Rose Marie I knew you were
gonna do this. Well, I'm just saying there is not
anyone under fifty named rose Marie in the country. Rose
Marie is not Clay not I'm not not a negative.
You know Ethyl, all the ethos out there, I'm sure faculous.
Usually I don't think they. I don't think they go
by ethol. But all this, all the ethols out there,

(11:59):
it's fab his name. They're eighty year older, and it'll
cycle back. My grandmother was named Ruth, great name, it
cycled all the way back. But Rose Marie here. If
Rose Marie is thirty four, I will eat a hat
live on the show. I guarantee your Rosemarie who just
wrote in is retired. And she said, oh my god, Clay,

(12:20):
enough about swifty. You are a closet leftist. Vomit. None
of my friends texted all calfs, all CAFs. None of
my friends texted me about her engagement. We do not care.
Okay again, I said women fourteen to forty. I didn't

(12:43):
say that women who are retired are all reacting to this,
but the ones who are texting their granddaughters are. And
I will also say this, It doesn't tell me that
you do not care when you say we do not care.
When you write we do not care, you actually care deeply,
as much of America does about this. Randy, Randy from

(13:04):
Colorado wants to weigh in on this one, one of
our esteemed listeners. Randy, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (13:11):
So listen? Really? Who cares?

Speaker 1 (13:14):
So you called in to tell us that you don't care.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
I don't care about that at all, that there's more
important stuff of life.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Well that's true, but you do realize there's an irony
in how many times you called the show?

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Probably not six times over a year.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
How many times have we had you on the air twice? Okay,
well that's pretty good. So you have called the show
only six times in four years, yet you were compelled,
You jumped out of your chair, you grabbed your phone,
you left it. Do you have granddaughters? Do you have granddaughters?

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yes, sir, Randy?

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Can I just say we appreciate you being a loyal
listener to the program, and we appreciate the time you
spent on the whole to get on the air. Clay
feels that way as well. Okay, But Randy, more importantly,
you go back and you listen to that incredible monologue.
I delivered about why it matters so much. You pretend
it's like Romeo and Juliet and you're playing the role

(14:17):
of Romeo in the school play. You memorize it, you
deliver it at Thanksgiving dinner to your teenage granddaughters. You're
gonna be the coolest grandpa of all time and you
can completely take credit for it because they're gonna have
no idea that you stole it from me. My gift
to you, I'd rather listen is tough. Well, okay, that's fine.

(14:41):
I mean I understand what you repeat with music, but
just trying to make it Randy the coolest grandpa of
all time, that's my goal. Uh, and we have let's
see Clay you now the entire inbox has has been
now overtaken by JAREDD. Jerald. Here we go. F Taylor
and Travis would care less and I both and I

(15:02):
find them both annoying as hell. Maybe she will go
away and her fans will be crying in their lone
I con genuinely, look, I am I the only person
who would people get engaged. I say, I hope they
get married and stay married and have lots of babies,
like does everybody else. Here and see engagements and be

(15:23):
like Gerald here and say maybe she will go away
and her front fans will be crying in their loneliness.
That feels a little dark to me. I mean, fuck
even even you, the grint who stole the engagement here,
maybe she will go away and her fans will be
crying in their loneliness feels a little intense to me.

(15:46):
Gerald feels a little Philip feels and to drop an
f bob on them really feels a little aggressive. All right,
what else? What else do we have here? We gotta
do a read for you? Can you do the reality
a going up? If we all could take a breather here,
maybe we'll come back and do some news talk about
saving the republic. The Travis Helsei here, they're saving the republic.

(16:10):
Book gonna say that they're saving the republic according to Clay,
which is a remarkable Sunday Sizzle with Clay and Fuss.
I bet Katie Miller will have a good answer on
this and we will bring her in. She got a
great new podcast, wife of Stephen Miller, Trump White House Official.
She has done a lot of different things, a lot

(16:31):
of positive things about her. One negative I would have
to share right off the top is that she is
a Florida Gator and she graduated from there, back when
Florida was actually still good at football. She's like a
long time ago. And we bring in now Katie Miller
with that introduction. Katie, I hope everything is going well.
I've seen the podcast the clips as well, and it

(16:52):
seems to be going very well. They are much better
than Florida Gator football. But right off the top here
you and Katie Britt, I actually watched a decent amount
of this, had a big conversation about the We started
off the show today talking about culture and how culture
you have to win in culture in order to win

(17:12):
in politics. And I love what you're doing with the
podcast because I think this is a big part of that.
But you have seen Sidney Sweeney stock of American Eagle
at skyrocketing today. They put a pretty girl in jeans
and said go buy jeans. You have seen and I
wanted to lead with this because you are a former
Florida Gator sorority girl. So was Katie Britt. You have
seen these sorority videos. Just take over TikTok, take over Instagram,

(17:37):
take over Twitter. It feels like cultural normalcy. Boys or
Boys Girls are girls, football setting records, SEC schools are
flooded with applications. It feels like there's just a huge
desperate demand for the country to return to normal. Do
you feel that? Is that a part of what you're
tapping into with your show?

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Thanks to Claim Banks for having on today. It's very
exciting to do your show for the first time. And
I remiss if I did not say Go Gators and
very much an ouch that Florida football is indeed fantastic.
There is nothing like being in the swamp on a
Saturday cheering alongside ninety thousand fans for the Gators to
get a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Can I jump in really quick, Katie? Just because so.
My wife is also a Gator and she's also a
follower listener of your podcast. By the way, she has
fabulous taste and everything audio husband's colleges. What year were
you at UF? For years? I was there.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
I was Pledge Clash twenty ten. University of Florida, Alpha Omicron, Hi,
Proud Panda.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Thank you guys. You guys might have overlapped. I know
it's a big place, but anyway, keep keep going. UF.
Ladies are the best, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
We are one hundred percent the best still remember Rice
Solreaty cheers. But no, why I launched the podcast is
you're so right, is in order to change culture, you
have to talk to people where they are. And we
saw in the twenty twenty four election President Trump talked
to every podcaster out there. Right, they called it the
bro Election and having bros be bros again, right, guys

(19:11):
be guys, women be women. But there is no female
podcast out there that talks lifestyle relatability, what's going on
in the lives of women that's not political, and that
isn't just politics all day long. And so in order
for us to change culture, we have to talk to
women where they are. You know, what are you listening
to when you're washing dishes, when you're folding laundry, when

(19:33):
you're doing a craft with your kids. I didn't think
there was anything out there for me, so I thought,
why not do it myself.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
So you've had conversations already, Katie, with Vice President jd Vance,
Senator Katie Brad. I mean, clearly you're getting some very
big names to sit down with you. What are some
of the topics. I mean, you've mentioned them in broadstroke,
but some of the specific, more specific issues that you
think conservative women want discussed more, want more attention, whether

(20:01):
it's in the podcast universe or just in the broader
media ecosystem.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
I just think a women's issue is not just and
I hate to be like crewe did I say this.
It's not just our period and sex and those type
of issues, right. A women's issue is just how a
woman talks about issues. And I hate being bucketed into
just saying my brain can only handle what is quote
unquote a women's issue, because I think it does a
disservice to all smart women out there and women who
have a brain, which is one hundred percent of us,

(20:27):
though some may not use it as well as others.
And so what issues do we talk about? You know,
you mentioned Katie Britt, you mentioned JD Vance, and with
two political guests, we did everything except politics.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Right.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
What does JD make for breakfast in the morning, What
time does he get home, is he putting his kids
to bed? What's his favorite condiment? You know, the really
important issues you want to know from your vice president?
And so you know, next, this episode we just released
Monday night at six o'clock was with Joe Gebbia, the
co founder of Airbnb. How did he start Airbnb? You know,

(20:59):
we asked me important questions like, what's this dumbest thing
he's ever spent money on? If you had all the
money in the world, what's the craziest thing you've spent
it on? You know, what's life like as a billionaire
that you know only I think it's twenty eight hundred
people in the whole world get to experience that. What's
that like? Which you know, people don't ever ask those
questions because they're probably inappropriate, but I've somehow lost a

(21:21):
filter over years of working for President Trump. And then
there's also you know, questions like next week we have
on Mike Tyson, which is you know, really fun for
your audience. But I asked him about everything except boxing,
and so what did we talk about? We talked about
what did he do when he works out? Which day
is leg day, Which day is arm day? Which guess what?

(21:42):
He works out every part of his body every day.
Apparently he's in his gym most hours of the day.
We talked about which would be really fun. What was
it like living next to Wayne Noton? And they have
two different types of animals, one as horses and one
as tigers, and lets you know how that works out.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
On the podcast, we somehow got onto a conversation because
Buck was watching with his wife Carrie the movie The
English Patient, and I mentioned that in nineteen ninety six,
when that movie came out, I went on a date
with a girl that I liked at the time, The
English Patient, which is closer to going on a date

(22:19):
to watch Schindler's List than it is to go watch
The New Happy Gilmore, what is the worst date that
you've ever been on? And do you remember, like part
of way through it, like thinking I've got to get
a girlfriend to call me to get out of this.
Have you ever had a situation where you were like
this is absolute misery? How do I get out of this?

Speaker 3 (22:38):
I've had one I can recall. It was actually and
as at Florida. A friend of mine. We had gone
on a double date to Oh my gosh, it was
a steakhouse in Tampa. So we were in a car
with these guys for like an hour and a half.
We're at the restaurant. We're both like we've got a run,
but we're an hour and a half away from home
and so we ended up This is like pre uber, right,
So you're like, how do you get from Tampa back

(23:01):
to Gainesville? We ended up staying in a hotel for
the night and renting a car the next day.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
But that was.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Probably it's how bad the date was. You refused to
get in a car to drive back to Gainesville with them.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yes, we ended up staying the night in Tampa at
a hotel with no change of clothes. I remember this vividly,
because those are the nights you remember. I don't remember
why we went on this double date. I don't remember
who the double date was with. If I couldn't even recall,
like what their faces looked like, I just knew this
was like not the vibe.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
All right?

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Wait, hold on, So we're talking to Katie Miller here
of the Katie Miller podcast, which was just launched, and Katie,
we can't let you go, We can't let you bypass.
Do you agree with me that The English Patient is
a wildly overrated movie or are you on team Peterman
from Seinfeld that it's so good. If anyone doesn't like it,
they should be fired.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
I've never seen it, guys.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
See, I hadn't seen it till this weekend, so that's
why we were talking about it. Whichever, I feel like
I thought everyone Katie had seen it. I thought everybody did.
So that's you and Steve.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
I'll tell you a really good a good one. Here
some breaking news for you. So I asked Mike Tyson
would he rather watch The Notebook every day, every every
Friday for the rest of his life or never watched
sports again? And he said The Notebook is his ultimate
favorite movie. So I came home, Steven and I are
talking about this, right, We're like and He's like, I've

(24:20):
never seen the Notebook. So to me, if you're saying
the English Patient is one of these that like everyone's
got to see, is they're like ultimate date night movie.
I thought the Notebook was that for sure, and Steven's
never seen it, So.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Okay, well, I've never seen a book. Have you seen
the Notebook Book? Clay? I was a single guy going
on Dan. Of course I got I got dragged to
The Notebook. Every guy, every guy who has ever been
seen when it came out, saw the Notebook. But Katie,
do you, I mean, I know you know this because
your husband. We're both Steven Miller fans. Here and uh,
you know, back in the back in the OG days,
back in the first administration. And do you realize that

(24:52):
his favorite movie is also probably the favorite movie of
my two brothers and me, which is Blood Sport with
Jean Claude van Dam which we can quote every single
line from this movie. Stephen said on the show that
he believes that is the best movie ever made.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Steven loves movies, he really, I guess I agree with
that because we watched that all the time.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
You have watched you've been forced to watch blood Sport.
Let me ask you this so many times. Guys, it's
so Clay, I can do every line from that movie.
You start talking to me in Bloodsport, I can respond
in blood Sport. It's like its own language. You worked
with Elon. You're talking about all of these different guests
that you have. I imagine at some point Elon will

(25:38):
be on but leaving aside obviously, like trying to put
people on Mars and and all the success with the
different companies. What surprised you about Elon as a person,
Like you said Mike Tyson, you didn't expect him to
like the notebook surprise. What do you think would surprise
people about Elon. That doesn't have to do with the

(25:59):
brilliant on entrepreneurial aspect based on your experience with him.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
To me, the most surprising part about Elon was how
much he truly cares about his employees. And I don't
just mean that they're excellent and succeeding for him in business.
I mean how much he cares about their livelihoods, their
personal lives, and their general well being. You know, you
talk about Mars, and I believe everyone who's listening, including

(26:26):
both of you, should go to Star Based, Texas if
you haven't. It is an unbelievable town where they've built
just for the employees of SpaceX. But they have flights
that go to and from La every week so that
employees who live in Texas can get to a metropolis
whenever they want to an urban city and get to

(26:47):
their friends and family, and it's paid for by the
company and they can bring their family with them. They
built unbelievable houses and a pool, and bars and restaurants
and a gym, and it is truly this like little
oasis on a strip of sand in Texas that's meant
to make his employees' lives better with a doctor with
medical care, with like a little convenience store that's all

(27:09):
for his employees. And I believe you don't do that
and build something like that unless you really want people
who work for you to be extremely happy. And everyone
who works for him feels that.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Similarly, Katie, I know you're talking again to the larger
culture here, and I bet you now think about this.
I think you have three kids. Buck's got one. I've
got three.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
I have a four to three and two year old.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, I mean that is yes, so you have You're
in the weeds in a big way. Buck has got
an under one, and my boys are getting older seventeen, fourteen,
and ten. But I now think a lot about the
fact that and I know this is something that Elon
has been tweeting about. I bet you think about it
some too. The population is collapsing. It feels like men
are often unhappy with women and women are often unhappy

(27:58):
with men. How do we get back the sex is
to being somewhat happy? Right? I understand there's jokes and
relationships and everything else, But when there aren't kids being produced,
when there aren't a lot of babies, society is legitimately
being threatened. I worry about this quite a lot. Do
you think about it at all? What advice would you

(28:18):
have out there for the single people time today? Yeah, okay, good,
one of my most.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Thought about topics. If it was up to Stephen, we'd
have probably a dozen children. Though I don't know if
your wife feels similarly, but being pregnant is not my thing. However,
you know, still more kids to come in the Miller households.
But I would tell you this is that I think
the worst, one of the worst things that happened to
our country was when sixteen Are Pregnant. That show an
MTV that we all credit with stopping you know, teen

(28:45):
birth rates is the one that started collapsing. You know,
younger kids having kids. You know you saw with Taylor
Swift and Travis Kelsey. Is that them getting engaged is
a culmination of their adulthood instead of the beginning we
should be having marriage. We should be getting married and
having babies at the beginning of our adult lives, not
at the end, because women were meant to have kids

(29:08):
in younger years. And I'll say this is I'm thirty three,
and I understand that every year I get older makes
it harder for me to have a kid. I'm not,
you know, immune to that fact. But we aren't encouraging
women to have kids younger. We are having encouraging and
we're having a society that is encouraging childbirth at older years. Right,
why is it at hospitals in BC that they're old

(29:29):
that their first time moms are thirty nine years old.
That's a geriatric pregnancy. We shouldn't be doing that. It's
not healthy for the mother, it's not healthy for the child.
We should be encouraging younger rates. And I think that
goes to I see a lot of this is that
women feel that they're better than the men and they
must have the same equal degree as the man, and

(29:49):
then therefore it they don't feel less than we need
to be telling And I also think one other point
on this is that when women were told to go
to the workplace and that that you should have the
same job as a man, that did not glamorize going
to an office. Because I believe a woman's best job
and her primary job, because that's what our brains are
wired to do, is raise children. Does that mean that

(30:10):
should be the only thing you do? No, but we
should not be in a society where women feel like
they have to go to work and raising their kids
isn't their first available option, because I think when you're
telling a woman that they should feel that they should
to be equal to a man they have to go
to an office, that's when we're losing a society.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Katie Naylor podcast Everybody Way, Yeah, oh yeah, No the
spot on and a great way for all of you
to hear more of this analysis is to go subscribe
to Katie's podcast. Katie tell Steven that we send a
high five and congrats on the podcast all the success
you're having so far, and come back after you've watched
the English Patient let us know what you think.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Thanks guys, And you can find the Katie Miller podcast
everywhere you find a podcast like Subscribe and follow,

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