October 26, 2025 • 26 mins
Clay’s farewell to his beloved 24-year-old leather couch “Old Blue,” sold during a garage sale. Buck explains why he took a shower with his dog Ginger while wearing a bathing suit. The psychological manipulation of Malcolm Gladwell. Five-year-old sneaks out and goes to Chick fil A.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
It starts now.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I bought a blue leather couch old Blue. Wow, amazing couch,
blue leather two thousand and one. When I started law school.
I went out to rooms to go, I think, and
I bought a four hundred dollars I remember, four hundred
dollar couch. I was like, this is the most amazing
thing at old blue, blue leather couch. I have had
(00:39):
it now for twenty four years. Did you really call
your couch old blue? Because Carrie me, I had a
couch that I called old Gray. Was big and comfy
and overstuffed. And Carrie, when we got married, it was
like taking old yellow out back. I had to like
put a bullet in old Gray and take my couch
and give it away to like, you know, one of
the giveaway places.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Very sad.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I walked up into my office and old Blue was gone.
There was no discussion about the couch being removed. I
don't even know who took it out. I sat down
literally where I sit.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
You don't even get you to say goodbye to Old Blue.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I didn't get say well, Old Blue was on the front.
Old Blue was on the front porch. Laura had another
garage cell buck over the over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
My wife.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I think if she could be a professional garage cell person.
This is like the dream of all dreams for her.
Old Blue was on the front porch. Somebody I don't
know who bought it. I had that couch for twenty
four years, four hundred dollars, twenty four years, great return, and.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Lara sold it for one hundred bucks. She sold Old
Blue for one hundred bucks.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Old Gray was like a brother to me. Man, Old
Gray was there for me for years.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
You know. It was that couch was way too big
for the part of the tiny apartment I had in
New York. It was like I had had to move
everything just to make room for the couch. And you
could pretty much touch both like walls front and back
from it. But man, that couch, it was. It was
always there for me rough day at work, Old Gray
was there.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Old Blue.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
That's the same thing is mine was like a fabric,
though yours was leather. That's some real man cave stuff.
Oh yeah, I mean it's like remember the movie boiler
Room back in the day, where those guys were wealthy
traders and they based it's an underrated I think that's
an underrated movie. It's a good film. They had awesome places.
You probably some of you women who have dated, you know,
(02:33):
guys in their twenties or probably early thirties, have been
in this situation where you walk in in the apartment
or the house or the condo or whatever's kind of nice,
but there's nothing on the walls. There is basically a
big comfortable couch, a huge flat screen television right and that,
and then make maybe a bed on like not even
with a stand, but like a big, king sized bed.
(02:55):
Maybe some Chinese takeout or pizza boxes in a corner,
not even necessarily stacked in a corner. When Laura started
dating me Buck, she came to the place where I
was living where Old Blue and I were bachelor padding it,
and she said, where are your pots and pants? I've
been this place for like a year, so where do
you keep your pots and pants? I was like, I
(03:17):
don't think I have pots. I don't think I have
pots and pans. Not only did I not have them?
I had never thought to myself, you know what I'm
really missing here is pots and pans. When she asked,
it was I'd never even had the thought that I
should have pots and pans. How old were you when
you bought your first Well, so you've been married, so
this is different. But I didn't buy a headboard for
(03:40):
a bed until I think I was like forty years old.
I just got a bed with pillows on it that
I slept on. Hell, I mean, most guys don't have me.
You just have like a big mattress and like something
to put the mattress on, some sort of box springs.
But even the larger construct of the bed, most guys
don't have that. The first thing I bought that I
(04:02):
was super proud to buy was a flat screen television.
Old Blue was close, but a flat screen television. I
really thought I had made it.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Nobody this Old Blue and Old Gray would have been
good friends.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I didn't know it was.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
This was the thing.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
You know, Gerard Ali's husband kind of a allusion, very
handsome man. Uh he had a black leather couch that
she made him. We're just we're just finding out. They
got married and black leather. Couch got sent sent to
the the glue factory, so to speak. I hope that
couch has a good life, uh from here, because I
(04:35):
feel like twenty four years we made a good made
a good team. And uh then I just walked into
my office and the point is everything is getting taken
out because we're moving into a new house and I
just walk in and things are disappearing. Go get all
the books at Crockettcoffee dot com. Uh before who knows
where those books end up. Uh, you can use code
book and uh just pour one out for Old Blue
(04:57):
if you would. As we finish off the hour Old
Blue and Eye. I'm just disappointed that I missed. I
missed out on the Clay Clay Travis tag sale. I
mean I feel like I could have gotten some great stuff,
some good deals. Yeah, I think Laura made us sixty
eight dollars. I mean, there's no telling you I'm gonna
be able to buy one half of a stacene. Not
that the IRS knows about my friend. You know what
I'm saying, Oh, cash baby.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I gotta I gotta be careful.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, sixty eight one dollar bills, So look out, world.
We had a weekend here Sunday hang with Clay and Buck.
I was just putting this out, maybe something something that
some of the dog experts in the audience can tell
can tell me about. Uh, because we're doing some more
training with Ginger Spice, we have, we have a baby,
a baby's gonna be walking, and just there's new new
(05:41):
things to take into account here, so like we can't
have her jumping on people. I'm of course very bad
about this. Clay, I come home and I'm one of
these people who I love the dog getting all excited
and jumping on me, and I'll carry her and she'll
wrestle me and we have so much fun. But with
a toddler, that's not good because she'll want to do
that with the toddler. She'll knock the toddler down and
hit his head and that kind of stuff. So you're
doing some new training. So I was taking Ginger out
(06:03):
for her walk today and I am always I'm amazed
at just how intuitive this little animal is and how
she picks up on my moods and my tone and
emotions everything else. And I was walking today and like
she's being such a great little companion. She's a little
Australian labordodle. It weighs about twenty five pounds. A lot
of you've seen photos that are brought are in and
then out of nowhere, she dove into the biggest pile
(06:25):
of poop. I think I have, like, I don't know
if it was like a horse or something, and just
got it all over And I sit there, I'm like, why.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
This animal is so smart? She would she would never
do that.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I don't understand why this happens, Clay, I don't know.
Then I'm reminded it is in fact an animal that
I'm dealing with. It is it in fact a case?
I think the funniest part of this story is you
put on a bathing suit and then got in the
shower with your dog to clean the poop all of
her for like half an hour before the show today,
that is what I was doing. I was in there
now rubbing.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Away question why not fully nude from you?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Not to take people into the total nude universe here,
but what was the thought process? You didn't want the
dog to see you naked like you were modest? Well,
there was so much, there was so much external refuse
on the dog that I was afraid of your exposure.
I don't want to get you know what I'm saying,
Like you know what I mean, Like you know, I
know it's a kind of thing, but you don't want
dog poop.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
It's one thing to get on my wrists from my hands.
I don't want any dog.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Poop down there, buddy. So, yes, I had to cover
up a little bit. I had to cover up a
little bit. I'm sorry, that's what I was thinking. I
wasn't thinking about them. I was like, is he modest?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Is he like? I don't want to be the you know,
nude with the dog. No, it was, I remember it was.
I found weird because it was so dirty.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
So I wanted to have a little protection down below
because you know, guys, we all know you gotta protect
that area.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
You gotta protect first and foremost.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I when when my youngest got sick once of many times,
right if you're a parent, and I mean just threw
up all over himself, and my wife was also, uh,
my wife was also sick. Because, unfortun buck, as you
will learn, when one of the kid gets sick, everyone
gets sick. Yeah, it just runs through the whole family.
(08:06):
Every kid gets it, you know, it just it does,
stomach bug whatever else. And he threw up all over
himself and I was like, I mean, I can either
like try to wash him, and I just got in
the shower with him, and you know, cause kids are
too young to get in the shower when they're super young,
but if you're holding them there, and I was just like,
I'm gonna get it. So I was thinking about that
(08:27):
when you were talking about the dog. It's just I'm
gonna get it all off at once. And so you're
just in there and you're just like, ugh. Anyway, I'm
glad that you and the dog have survived, and I'm
glad that you managed to keep yourself from getting too
covered in poop. Really fun show. Encourage all of you
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Speaker 2 (09:03):
Be Sundays with Clay and Buss.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
The full video is up at clayanbuck dot com. But
in Jacksonville, Florida, a five year old boy woke up
before his parents did on a I think it was
a weekend and decided that he was going to go
get himself breakfast at Chick fil A. Walked still dressed
(09:29):
in his bedclothes down to Chick fil A, where the
police were called, showed up found the kid said, Hey,
where do you live? Where's mom and dad? The whole
thing is on the body cam that has been released
from the Jacksonville Police Department. They show up at mom
and dad's house, They ring the doorbell. Mom and dad
(09:53):
have no idea the five year old has left the house,
and it is quite the funny, positive story. It goes
to Buck's point about in general they much more seriously,
but they had a shooting in Florida and they tried
to say, oh, this was unjustified. Every time, it feels
like the actual body cam comes out, by and large,
(10:14):
you see that the police are justified in actually doing
a pretty good job, and this one, much less seriously,
is a fun story. Yeah, it's up at clanbuck dot com.
You can check out the video there. Clay also shared it.
It's gotten millions of views there.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I just it's it's funny to me.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Because I feel like I remember one time trying to
go to trying to walk to school when I was
way too young to do so, when I was a kid.
I think I got one block and turned around. You
know this is a thing that sometimes happens, but that
this kid actually showed this video. If you actually showed
up in the Chick fil A, yes, five years old,
He's just a little guy showed up in the Chick
fil A. He's very excited to get his chicken sandwich.
I suppose or does Chick fil A do a specific breakfast?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I don't know enough about you.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Oh they Oh, yes, they got your great chicken. I
mean again, they should really sponsor the show. But they've
got a great chicken biscuit, they've got a very specific
they got the hash browns, uh circle hash Browns, not
like the big ones like McDonald's. Uh, Chick fil A
is flawless all day long. But yes, they have a
specific breakfast offering, are they?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Is it all in your favorite your favorite fast food chain?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Chick not even not even a close second.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
The number of times I'm driving on a Sunday and
I think, man, I'd like to get Chick fil A
and then realize, oh, Sunday, they're not They're they're closed,
especially after a college football Saturday, maybe a few drinks
the night before.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Chick fil A is by far my favorite. Do you
have a favorite?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I can't have gluten obviously, so
that makes Chick fil a little more complicated. Although I
love their grilled nuggets and their waffle fries are phenomenal,
so I do eat Chick fil A.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I know it's gonna make me sound like Kami Mom
Donnie Clay, but I'm a shakeshack guy, love Shakeshack, just
a little left wing, little left wing politics at the
top there.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Unfortunately, gotta go Chick fil A Sundays with Clay and fuck.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Malcolm Gladwell probably I think the most famous non fiction
celebrity author in America. Would you buy into that designation
in terms of book sells, I don't know that anybody
would have sold more copies than him. It's him and
Michael Lewis probably for our to go to the last
twenty years or so, those would be the two that
I think are. I met him in France, by the way,
(12:25):
for the iHeart event, so I actually met mister Gladwell.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
For the first we shook hands.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I mean, he wouldn't you know, He had no idea
who I was like, hey man, yeah, so yeah, So
I'm going to play a cut for him. I imagine
a lot of you have read his books. Tipping Point
is probably the most famous, but he's got a ton
of different books, and I think he has a very
popular podcast. So I would bet a huge percentage of
you are familiar with who Malcolm Gladwell is. So let
me take you behind the scenes a little bit here.
(12:51):
I sold my company out Kick, to Fox in twenty
twenty one. On Super Bowl Sunday twenty two, twenty one,
we made two million dollars in affiliate revenue for from FanDuel.
That is that Super Bowl Day. The company that I ran,
(13:12):
we and founded. We were one of the top affiliates
in the entire country. So if you were watching Tom
Brady Tampa Bay Buccaneers go up against Patrick Mahomes Kansas
City Chiefs, our company and to a large extent me
made more money than anybody playing in that game on
sports gambling affiliate referral deals. We were for FanDuel, which
(13:38):
is the biggest sports affiliate company sports gambling company in
the country. We were either their best or second best
affiliate partner in the country. Pat McAfee, who now is
at ESPN, was also wildly profitable for them. We were
their too best at helping to promote and sports gambling. Obviously,
(14:01):
we've got a great relationship with Prize Picks, which ties
in here with that. We made six seven million dollars
a year on that deal. That was important for us
as a part of the company. Sold the company, FanDuel
said they wouldn't work with me anymore Buck because I
was too outspoken on the trans sports issue. This is
(14:25):
a sports gambling company. They said, Clay is too controversial
because he is saying men should not be competing in
women's sports, and FanDuel is worried about the controversy that
he brings for being so outspoken on that issue. As
a result, FanDuel refused to work with me, and as
(14:49):
a result, refused to work Withoutkick so me merely saying
men should not be able to compete in women's athletics
cost the company that I founded and owned around seven
million dollars a year. I don't know how much money
(15:10):
you guys make but seven million dollars a year for
a media company is a big, huge part of what
allows the company to be profitable, to employ tons of people.
But as a matter of principle, I said, I'm not
going to stop talking about this, even though FanDuel is saying, well,
you're too controversial for saying this. So the reason why
(15:31):
I give you that backstory is it was even though
it's one hundred percent the right thing to say, it
took hutzpah. It took sometimes turning away from millions of
dollars to say what I personally believe to be true
and allow the company to be at the forefront of
(15:52):
arguing this as no, no, no, no, no, no, not what
you not what you personally believe to be true, what
is undeniably unequipped obviously and as clear as anything could
be true, which I think is important. You weren't penalized,
Clay for an opinion. You were penalized for a fact,
(16:13):
which is a whole that is Soviet Union level stuff.
That is everyone who's starving say the grain harvest is
the biggest grain harvest of all time. That is a
manufactured delusion, my friend. And if you wonder why did
people not step up against this across all of sports.
Only OutKick and really only met at the forefront of this.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
We're willing to make this argument.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
It's because the big advertising partners out there would grab
you by the you know what and they would squeeze
if you tried to step out along. This is the truth.
Nobody else will even tell you this. I'm telling you directly. Okay,
Malcolm Gladwell came. They have a big sports conference, sports
(17:03):
analytics conference at MIT, and they had a bunch of
famous h Malcolm Gladwell has a connection to sports. He's
a big sports fan. He's done sports related reporting and stories,
and he and everybody else on that panel at the
I think it's the Sloan Kettering MIT Institute or whatever,
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refused to speak out against men competing in women's sports
because the consequences were real. What I just told you,
it could cost your company millions of dollars, It could
cost you personally millions of dollars, It could impact your employability.
They were very targeted in the way that they attacked here.
(17:43):
And now he's come out. This just happened yesterday, and
Malcolm Gladwell says, hey, I was bullied.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I was cowed.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I was afraid of the consequences, and now I'm going
to tell you the truth. Men shouldn't be able to
compete in women's sports.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Listen if we did a replay of that exact panel
at the SLUM conference this coming March, it runs in
exactly the opposite direction, and it would be I suspect
near unanimity in the room that trans athletes have no
place in the female category. I don't think this is
any question. I just think it was a strange I mean,
(18:18):
I felt. I mean the reason I'm ashamed of my
performance of that panel because I share your position one
hundred percent and I was count is the idea of
saying anything on this issue. I was in a I
believe in retrospect in a dishonest way.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I was.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
I was objective in a dishonest way.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Okay, I give him credit for coming out and being
honest about this. I think this is so incredibly important
because there are consequences. Unfortunately, when you are willing to
speak the truth. I think your qualification is important there.
This is not This is not me arguing what the
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tax rate in Moldova.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Should be. We're sitting around and we're like, well, you.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Know this is his dudes are not chicks, and chicks
are not dudes, and pretending they are is a lie.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
That is what this is.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Even in the world of sports.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
It's beyond that buck because you're saying men don't have
a competitive advantage, or you're sitting around you're saying, well,
we have to do studies.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
No, men are bigger, stronger, and faster than women.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
We know underlying all of it, underlying all of it,
and this has to be remembered. Is that trans for example,
and this is usually what we're talking about in the
sports context, trans women are women indistinguishable and to be
treated by society and the law as women, indistinguishable from
women in all respects, even though they're not women. That
is the actual foundational mandatory belief of the trans movement, right,
(19:44):
is that they transplate what is the phrase trans women
are women? Yeah, this is what they say. Trans women
are women, and that's why they should be able to
play in women's sports.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
That is a lie.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I think this is important though, and I see this
everywhere and people who may not be involved in media,
a lot of you sit around you say, well, how
did this happen. It was if you were willing to
speak out on this issue. Advertisers said, I can't. I
won't work with this person anymore. And I'm talking about
a friggin sports gambling company. You think that it's a
(20:21):
coincidence that of all companies, that should be one that recognized, hey,
men and women's sports is ridiculous. They actually pushed back
and they said, even though you, Clay and your company
have made us tens of millions of dollars, which we
had objective reality you could look at and say, hey,
(20:42):
people love this, they wouldn't spend money with us anymore.
And this is how they control what people say, because
most people are not willing to give up the money.
They just pretend this story didn't exist. It wasn't that
everybody is outspoken in as Gladwell is saying there. It
(21:03):
was just that a lot of companies just pretended this
didn't happen, or they would say, as they still say, now,
I don't know why you care about that, what you
even care? It doesn't happen that often. It's not that
big of it. Well, this is always that, this is
always the progression, right, It's not happening it's not happening
that much.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Why do you care.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Okay, it's happening. It's happening a little bit. Uh to,
It's good. It's happening. Shut your face. We're in charge now.
And this is this is this was COVID, this is
trans this, this is that is the the slippery slope
of leftism in America today. It has to progressivism, it
has to progress The argument always has to go to
the next level. And it's all based on lies, because
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of course it is happening because they know what's happening,
and they know it's wrong, and they know they want
to do more of it, but they use an incrementalist
strategy to chip away at things and for Gladwell to
come out now, Clay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Because everything has changed. Now now you can say it.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, now you.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Can actually, because people like me spoke out so hard
and took the slings and arrows. I will say Buck,
I give him some credit for acknowledging he was wrong.
Because what a lot of people are gonna do is
they're going to wait another couple of years and they're
gonna come They're gonna say, well, everybody knew this was
ridiculous all along. And then that they never actually argue otherwise. Yeah,
(22:20):
I mean that's particularly gross, right, But that will happen.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I think that is true.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Five years from now, there will not be a single
man in America who will say I ever thought it
was okay? Oh no, no, men pretending to be women
were competing.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I disagree with that.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
There will be people, Clay, There are people that will
take this to the very end, and they think that
they can get a rebound with this in time.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
All they have to do that.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
They think that they will find their way back into power,
back into the culture. Twenty percent of the country is
never going to abandon this. Twenty percent of the country
is certifiably insane. I mean they think that Kamala Harris
was a good candidate and Joe Biden's brain was working.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
These people are nuts.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Well I say this, I mean people who are actual
sports fans, right, because I understand on some level, if
you stay if you don't know anything about sports and
you think, like, hey, maybe Serena Williams is better than
Roger Federer at tennis, maybe they should play and maybe
the woman would win. I actually give them a pass
because they're so clueless on the difference of biology. But
(23:19):
any man I mean this honestly, any man who has
ever played a high school, college, and certainly a pro
sport knows that the idea of men being able to
compete in women's sports was on its face, laughably absurd.
And where it matters is if they can get you
to argue that, or if they can get you to
stay silent on that, they can keep advancing the the
(23:42):
the left wing agenda because they've cowed you into silence. Yeah,
you well, and you've you've basically become complicit in your
own cowardice and your own silencing. And if they can
get you to say something that's that crazy, they can
get you to say anything.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
That's the whole point. If they can get you to
believe this, they can.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Get you to believe that you know that the sky
is purple, and you know the earth is flat, and
you name it. And that's that's a very powerful tool
of psychological manipulation, because it's degrading. When the state or
when society forces you to mouth a lie, to say
(24:21):
the slogans that they demand that you know are false,
it degrades you psychologically. Yeah, the point they do this
in alttalitarian regimes, by the way, and they do it purposefully. Yeah,
and let me say this too. I think the one
thing I will say additionally in favor of Gladwell is this,
I think America would be far better if we all
acknowledge when we get things wrong. I don't think that
(24:45):
anybody out there listening expects for you or me to
get everything right. I think when we claim that we
never get anything wrong, it actually delegitimizes the things that
we get right. And I do think Malcolm Gladwell coming
out and saying yes, it's convenient now. Yes, the consequences
and the stakes and the punishment for being on the
(25:05):
quote unquote wrong side of the ledger on this issue
are much demnimized because we won this battle so far.
But I do think being willing to acknowledge we said
it like I said it was gonna be a red
tsunami in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Didn't get it. I had to wear it like I
was wrong.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Now, we got a lot right about the twenty twenty
four election, but I don't think people out there trusted
us less because you got something wrong. Because everybody gets
things wrong. Well, that's a prediction too. Yeah, there's a
difference between a prediction, which is inherently uncertain, and telling
a lie. Yes, one goes to analysis and nobody's perfect.
Another goes to you're selling out and a lot of people.
(25:44):
I will tell you almost everyone sold out. I won't
name them because I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
People can always, even people on the other side, if
they asked to speak to me in confidence, I keep confidence.
I know some prominent democrats in the media, Clay who
would say to me offline, Oh, the trance thing is crazy,
but the agenda's crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
But I can't. I can't say it because my side
would eat me alive.
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
It starts now.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I bought a blue leather couch old Blue. Wow, amazing couch,
blue leather two thousand and one. When I started law school.
I went out to rooms to go, I think, and
I bought a four hundred dollars I remember, four hundred
dollar couch. I was like, this is the most amazing
thing at old blue, blue leather couch. I have had
(00:39):
it now for twenty four years. Did you really call
your couch old blue? Because Carrie me, I had a
couch that I called old Gray. Was big and comfy
and overstuffed. And Carrie, when we got married, it was
like taking old yellow out back. I had to like
put a bullet in old Gray and take my couch
and give it away to like, you know, one of
the giveaway places.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Very sad.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I walked up into my office and old Blue was gone.
There was no discussion about the couch being removed. I
don't even know who took it out. I sat down
literally where I sit.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
You don't even get you to say goodbye to Old Blue.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I didn't get say well, Old Blue was on the front.
Old Blue was on the front porch. Laura had another
garage cell buck over the over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
My wife.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I think if she could be a professional garage cell person.
This is like the dream of all dreams for her.
Old Blue was on the front porch. Somebody I don't
know who bought it. I had that couch for twenty
four years, four hundred dollars, twenty four years, great return, and.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Lara sold it for one hundred bucks. She sold Old
Blue for one hundred bucks.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Old Gray was like a brother to me. Man, Old
Gray was there for me for years.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
You know. It was that couch was way too big
for the part of the tiny apartment I had in
New York. It was like I had had to move
everything just to make room for the couch. And you
could pretty much touch both like walls front and back
from it. But man, that couch, it was. It was
always there for me rough day at work, Old Gray
was there.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Old Blue.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
That's the same thing is mine was like a fabric,
though yours was leather. That's some real man cave stuff.
Oh yeah, I mean it's like remember the movie boiler
Room back in the day, where those guys were wealthy
traders and they based it's an underrated I think that's
an underrated movie. It's a good film. They had awesome places.
You probably some of you women who have dated, you know,
(02:33):
guys in their twenties or probably early thirties, have been
in this situation where you walk in in the apartment
or the house or the condo or whatever's kind of nice,
but there's nothing on the walls. There is basically a
big comfortable couch, a huge flat screen television right and that,
and then make maybe a bed on like not even
with a stand, but like a big, king sized bed.
(02:55):
Maybe some Chinese takeout or pizza boxes in a corner,
not even necessarily stacked in a corner. When Laura started
dating me Buck, she came to the place where I
was living where Old Blue and I were bachelor padding it,
and she said, where are your pots and pants? I've
been this place for like a year, so where do
you keep your pots and pants? I was like, I
(03:17):
don't think I have pots. I don't think I have
pots and pans. Not only did I not have them?
I had never thought to myself, you know what I'm
really missing here is pots and pans. When she asked,
it was I'd never even had the thought that I
should have pots and pans. How old were you when
you bought your first Well, so you've been married, so
this is different. But I didn't buy a headboard for
(03:40):
a bed until I think I was like forty years old.
I just got a bed with pillows on it that
I slept on. Hell, I mean, most guys don't have me.
You just have like a big mattress and like something
to put the mattress on, some sort of box springs.
But even the larger construct of the bed, most guys
don't have that. The first thing I bought that I
(04:02):
was super proud to buy was a flat screen television.
Old Blue was close, but a flat screen television. I
really thought I had made it.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Nobody this Old Blue and Old Gray would have been
good friends.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I didn't know it was.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
This was the thing.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
You know, Gerard Ali's husband kind of a allusion, very
handsome man. Uh he had a black leather couch that
she made him. We're just we're just finding out. They
got married and black leather. Couch got sent sent to
the the glue factory, so to speak. I hope that
couch has a good life, uh from here, because I
(04:35):
feel like twenty four years we made a good made
a good team. And uh then I just walked into
my office and the point is everything is getting taken
out because we're moving into a new house and I
just walk in and things are disappearing. Go get all
the books at Crockettcoffee dot com. Uh before who knows
where those books end up. Uh, you can use code
book and uh just pour one out for Old Blue
(04:57):
if you would. As we finish off the hour Old
Blue and Eye. I'm just disappointed that I missed. I
missed out on the Clay Clay Travis tag sale. I
mean I feel like I could have gotten some great stuff,
some good deals. Yeah, I think Laura made us sixty
eight dollars. I mean, there's no telling you I'm gonna
be able to buy one half of a stacene. Not
that the IRS knows about my friend. You know what
I'm saying, Oh, cash baby.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I gotta I gotta be careful.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, sixty eight one dollar bills, So look out, world.
We had a weekend here Sunday hang with Clay and Buck.
I was just putting this out, maybe something something that
some of the dog experts in the audience can tell
can tell me about. Uh, because we're doing some more
training with Ginger Spice, we have, we have a baby,
a baby's gonna be walking, and just there's new new
(05:41):
things to take into account here, so like we can't
have her jumping on people. I'm of course very bad
about this. Clay, I come home and I'm one of
these people who I love the dog getting all excited
and jumping on me, and I'll carry her and she'll
wrestle me and we have so much fun. But with
a toddler, that's not good because she'll want to do
that with the toddler. She'll knock the toddler down and
hit his head and that kind of stuff. So you're
doing some new training. So I was taking Ginger out
(06:03):
for her walk today and I am always I'm amazed
at just how intuitive this little animal is and how
she picks up on my moods and my tone and
emotions everything else. And I was walking today and like
she's being such a great little companion. She's a little
Australian labordodle. It weighs about twenty five pounds. A lot
of you've seen photos that are brought are in and
then out of nowhere, she dove into the biggest pile
(06:25):
of poop. I think I have, like, I don't know
if it was like a horse or something, and just
got it all over And I sit there, I'm like, why.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
This animal is so smart? She would she would never
do that.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I don't understand why this happens, Clay, I don't know.
Then I'm reminded it is in fact an animal that
I'm dealing with. It is it in fact a case?
I think the funniest part of this story is you
put on a bathing suit and then got in the
shower with your dog to clean the poop all of
her for like half an hour before the show today,
that is what I was doing. I was in there
now rubbing.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Away question why not fully nude from you?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Not to take people into the total nude universe here,
but what was the thought process? You didn't want the
dog to see you naked like you were modest? Well,
there was so much, there was so much external refuse
on the dog that I was afraid of your exposure.
I don't want to get you know what I'm saying,
Like you know what I mean, Like you know, I
know it's a kind of thing, but you don't want
dog poop.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
It's one thing to get on my wrists from my hands.
I don't want any dog.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Poop down there, buddy. So, yes, I had to cover
up a little bit. I had to cover up a
little bit. I'm sorry, that's what I was thinking. I
wasn't thinking about them. I was like, is he modest?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Is he like? I don't want to be the you know,
nude with the dog. No, it was, I remember it was.
I found weird because it was so dirty.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
So I wanted to have a little protection down below
because you know, guys, we all know you gotta protect
that area.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
You gotta protect first and foremost.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I when when my youngest got sick once of many times,
right if you're a parent, and I mean just threw
up all over himself, and my wife was also, uh,
my wife was also sick. Because, unfortun buck, as you
will learn, when one of the kid gets sick, everyone
gets sick. Yeah, it just runs through the whole family.
(08:06):
Every kid gets it, you know, it just it does,
stomach bug whatever else. And he threw up all over
himself and I was like, I mean, I can either
like try to wash him, and I just got in
the shower with him, and you know, cause kids are
too young to get in the shower when they're super young,
but if you're holding them there, and I was just like,
I'm gonna get it. So I was thinking about that
(08:27):
when you were talking about the dog. It's just I'm
gonna get it all off at once. And so you're
just in there and you're just like, ugh. Anyway, I'm
glad that you and the dog have survived, and I'm
glad that you managed to keep yourself from getting too
covered in poop. Really fun show. Encourage all of you
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Speaker 2 (09:03):
Be Sundays with Clay and Buss.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
The full video is up at clayanbuck dot com. But
in Jacksonville, Florida, a five year old boy woke up
before his parents did on a I think it was
a weekend and decided that he was going to go
get himself breakfast at Chick fil A. Walked still dressed
(09:29):
in his bedclothes down to Chick fil A, where the
police were called, showed up found the kid said, Hey,
where do you live? Where's mom and dad? The whole
thing is on the body cam that has been released
from the Jacksonville Police Department. They show up at mom
and dad's house, They ring the doorbell. Mom and dad
(09:53):
have no idea the five year old has left the house,
and it is quite the funny, positive story. It goes
to Buck's point about in general they much more seriously,
but they had a shooting in Florida and they tried
to say, oh, this was unjustified. Every time, it feels
like the actual body cam comes out, by and large,
(10:14):
you see that the police are justified in actually doing
a pretty good job, and this one, much less seriously,
is a fun story. Yeah, it's up at clanbuck dot com.
You can check out the video there. Clay also shared it.
It's gotten millions of views there.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I just it's it's funny to me.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Because I feel like I remember one time trying to
go to trying to walk to school when I was
way too young to do so, when I was a kid.
I think I got one block and turned around. You
know this is a thing that sometimes happens, but that
this kid actually showed this video. If you actually showed
up in the Chick fil A, yes, five years old,
He's just a little guy showed up in the Chick
fil A. He's very excited to get his chicken sandwich.
I suppose or does Chick fil A do a specific breakfast?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I don't know enough about you.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Oh they Oh, yes, they got your great chicken. I
mean again, they should really sponsor the show. But they've
got a great chicken biscuit, they've got a very specific
they got the hash browns, uh circle hash Browns, not
like the big ones like McDonald's. Uh, Chick fil A
is flawless all day long. But yes, they have a
specific breakfast offering, are they?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Is it all in your favorite your favorite fast food chain?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Chick not even not even a close second.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
The number of times I'm driving on a Sunday and
I think, man, I'd like to get Chick fil A
and then realize, oh, Sunday, they're not They're they're closed,
especially after a college football Saturday, maybe a few drinks
the night before.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Chick fil A is by far my favorite. Do you
have a favorite?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I can't have gluten obviously, so
that makes Chick fil a little more complicated. Although I
love their grilled nuggets and their waffle fries are phenomenal,
so I do eat Chick fil A.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I know it's gonna make me sound like Kami Mom
Donnie Clay, but I'm a shakeshack guy, love Shakeshack, just
a little left wing, little left wing politics at the
top there.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Unfortunately, gotta go Chick fil A Sundays with Clay and fuck.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Malcolm Gladwell probably I think the most famous non fiction
celebrity author in America. Would you buy into that designation
in terms of book sells, I don't know that anybody
would have sold more copies than him. It's him and
Michael Lewis probably for our to go to the last
twenty years or so, those would be the two that
I think are. I met him in France, by the way,
(12:25):
for the iHeart event, so I actually met mister Gladwell.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
For the first we shook hands.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I mean, he wouldn't you know, He had no idea
who I was like, hey man, yeah, so yeah, So
I'm going to play a cut for him. I imagine
a lot of you have read his books. Tipping Point
is probably the most famous, but he's got a ton
of different books, and I think he has a very
popular podcast. So I would bet a huge percentage of
you are familiar with who Malcolm Gladwell is. So let
me take you behind the scenes a little bit here.
(12:51):
I sold my company out Kick, to Fox in twenty
twenty one. On Super Bowl Sunday twenty two, twenty one,
we made two million dollars in affiliate revenue for from FanDuel.
That is that Super Bowl Day. The company that I ran,
(13:12):
we and founded. We were one of the top affiliates
in the entire country. So if you were watching Tom
Brady Tampa Bay Buccaneers go up against Patrick Mahomes Kansas
City Chiefs, our company and to a large extent me
made more money than anybody playing in that game on
sports gambling affiliate referral deals. We were for FanDuel, which
(13:38):
is the biggest sports affiliate company sports gambling company in
the country. We were either their best or second best
affiliate partner in the country. Pat McAfee, who now is
at ESPN, was also wildly profitable for them. We were
their too best at helping to promote and sports gambling. Obviously,
(14:01):
we've got a great relationship with Prize Picks, which ties
in here with that. We made six seven million dollars
a year on that deal. That was important for us
as a part of the company. Sold the company, FanDuel
said they wouldn't work with me anymore Buck because I
was too outspoken on the trans sports issue. This is
(14:25):
a sports gambling company. They said, Clay is too controversial
because he is saying men should not be competing in
women's sports, and FanDuel is worried about the controversy that
he brings for being so outspoken on that issue. As
a result, FanDuel refused to work with me, and as
(14:49):
a result, refused to work Withoutkick so me merely saying
men should not be able to compete in women's athletics
cost the company that I founded and owned around seven
million dollars a year. I don't know how much money
(15:10):
you guys make but seven million dollars a year for
a media company is a big, huge part of what
allows the company to be profitable, to employ tons of people.
But as a matter of principle, I said, I'm not
going to stop talking about this, even though FanDuel is saying, well,
you're too controversial for saying this. So the reason why
(15:31):
I give you that backstory is it was even though
it's one hundred percent the right thing to say, it
took hutzpah. It took sometimes turning away from millions of
dollars to say what I personally believe to be true
and allow the company to be at the forefront of
(15:52):
arguing this as no, no, no, no, no, no, not what
you not what you personally believe to be true, what
is undeniably unequipped obviously and as clear as anything could
be true, which I think is important. You weren't penalized,
Clay for an opinion. You were penalized for a fact,
(16:13):
which is a whole that is Soviet Union level stuff.
That is everyone who's starving say the grain harvest is
the biggest grain harvest of all time. That is a
manufactured delusion, my friend. And if you wonder why did
people not step up against this across all of sports.
Only OutKick and really only met at the forefront of this.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
We're willing to make this argument.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
It's because the big advertising partners out there would grab
you by the you know what and they would squeeze
if you tried to step out along. This is the truth.
Nobody else will even tell you this. I'm telling you directly. Okay,
Malcolm Gladwell came. They have a big sports conference, sports
(17:03):
analytics conference at MIT, and they had a bunch of
famous h Malcolm Gladwell has a connection to sports. He's
a big sports fan. He's done sports related reporting and stories,
and he and everybody else on that panel at the
I think it's the Sloan Kettering MIT Institute or whatever,
(17:23):
refused to speak out against men competing in women's sports
because the consequences were real. What I just told you,
it could cost your company millions of dollars, It could
cost you personally millions of dollars, It could impact your employability.
They were very targeted in the way that they attacked here.
(17:43):
And now he's come out. This just happened yesterday, and
Malcolm Gladwell says, hey, I was bullied.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I was cowed.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I was afraid of the consequences, and now I'm going
to tell you the truth. Men shouldn't be able to
compete in women's sports.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Listen if we did a replay of that exact panel
at the SLUM conference this coming March, it runs in
exactly the opposite direction, and it would be I suspect
near unanimity in the room that trans athletes have no
place in the female category. I don't think this is
any question. I just think it was a strange I mean,
(18:18):
I felt. I mean the reason I'm ashamed of my
performance of that panel because I share your position one
hundred percent and I was count is the idea of
saying anything on this issue. I was in a I
believe in retrospect in a dishonest way.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I was.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
I was objective in a dishonest way.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Okay, I give him credit for coming out and being
honest about this. I think this is so incredibly important
because there are consequences. Unfortunately, when you are willing to
speak the truth. I think your qualification is important there.
This is not This is not me arguing what the
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tax rate in Moldova.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Should be. We're sitting around and we're like, well, you.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Know this is his dudes are not chicks, and chicks
are not dudes, and pretending they are is a lie.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
That is what this is.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Even in the world of sports.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
It's beyond that buck because you're saying men don't have
a competitive advantage, or you're sitting around you're saying, well,
we have to do studies.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
No, men are bigger, stronger, and faster than women.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
We know underlying all of it, underlying all of it,
and this has to be remembered. Is that trans for example,
and this is usually what we're talking about in the
sports context, trans women are women indistinguishable and to be
treated by society and the law as women, indistinguishable from
women in all respects, even though they're not women. That
is the actual foundational mandatory belief of the trans movement, right,
(19:44):
is that they transplate what is the phrase trans women
are women? Yeah, this is what they say. Trans women
are women, and that's why they should be able to
play in women's sports.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
That is a lie.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I think this is important though, and I see this
everywhere and people who may not be involved in media,
a lot of you sit around you say, well, how
did this happen. It was if you were willing to
speak out on this issue. Advertisers said, I can't. I
won't work with this person anymore. And I'm talking about
a friggin sports gambling company. You think that it's a
(20:21):
coincidence that of all companies, that should be one that recognized, hey,
men and women's sports is ridiculous. They actually pushed back
and they said, even though you, Clay and your company
have made us tens of millions of dollars, which we
had objective reality you could look at and say, hey,
(20:42):
people love this, they wouldn't spend money with us anymore.
And this is how they control what people say, because
most people are not willing to give up the money.
They just pretend this story didn't exist. It wasn't that
everybody is outspoken in as Gladwell is saying there. It
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was just that a lot of companies just pretended this
didn't happen, or they would say, as they still say, now,
I don't know why you care about that, what you
even care? It doesn't happen that often. It's not that
big of it. Well, this is always that, this is
always the progression, right, It's not happening it's not happening
that much.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Why do you care.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Okay, it's happening. It's happening a little bit. Uh to,
It's good. It's happening. Shut your face. We're in charge now.
And this is this is this was COVID, this is
trans this, this is that is the the slippery slope
of leftism in America today. It has to progressivism, it
has to progress The argument always has to go to
the next level. And it's all based on lies, because
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of course it is happening because they know what's happening,
and they know it's wrong, and they know they want
to do more of it, but they use an incrementalist
strategy to chip away at things and for Gladwell to
come out now, Clay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Because everything has changed. Now now you can say it.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, now you.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Can actually, because people like me spoke out so hard
and took the slings and arrows. I will say Buck,
I give him some credit for acknowledging he was wrong.
Because what a lot of people are gonna do is
they're going to wait another couple of years and they're
gonna come They're gonna say, well, everybody knew this was
ridiculous all along. And then that they never actually argue otherwise. Yeah,
(22:20):
I mean that's particularly gross, right, But that will happen.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I think that is true.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Five years from now, there will not be a single
man in America who will say I ever thought it
was okay? Oh no, no, men pretending to be women
were competing.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I disagree with that.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
There will be people, Clay, There are people that will
take this to the very end, and they think that
they can get a rebound with this in time.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
All they have to do that.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
They think that they will find their way back into power,
back into the culture. Twenty percent of the country is
never going to abandon this. Twenty percent of the country
is certifiably insane. I mean they think that Kamala Harris
was a good candidate and Joe Biden's brain was working.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
These people are nuts.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Well I say this, I mean people who are actual
sports fans, right, because I understand on some level, if
you stay if you don't know anything about sports and
you think, like, hey, maybe Serena Williams is better than
Roger Federer at tennis, maybe they should play and maybe
the woman would win. I actually give them a pass
because they're so clueless on the difference of biology. But
(23:19):
any man I mean this honestly, any man who has
ever played a high school, college, and certainly a pro
sport knows that the idea of men being able to
compete in women's sports was on its face, laughably absurd.
And where it matters is if they can get you
to argue that, or if they can get you to
stay silent on that, they can keep advancing the the
(23:42):
the left wing agenda because they've cowed you into silence. Yeah,
you well, and you've you've basically become complicit in your
own cowardice and your own silencing. And if they can
get you to say something that's that crazy, they can
get you to say anything.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
That's the whole point. If they can get you to
believe this, they can.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Get you to believe that you know that the sky
is purple, and you know the earth is flat, and
you name it. And that's that's a very powerful tool
of psychological manipulation, because it's degrading. When the state or
when society forces you to mouth a lie, to say
(24:21):
the slogans that they demand that you know are false,
it degrades you psychologically. Yeah, the point they do this
in alttalitarian regimes, by the way, and they do it purposefully. Yeah,
and let me say this too. I think the one
thing I will say additionally in favor of Gladwell is this,
I think America would be far better if we all
acknowledge when we get things wrong. I don't think that
(24:45):
anybody out there listening expects for you or me to
get everything right. I think when we claim that we
never get anything wrong, it actually delegitimizes the things that
we get right. And I do think Malcolm Gladwell coming
out and saying yes, it's convenient now. Yes, the consequences
and the stakes and the punishment for being on the
(25:05):
quote unquote wrong side of the ledger on this issue
are much demnimized because we won this battle so far.
But I do think being willing to acknowledge we said
it like I said it was gonna be a red
tsunami in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Didn't get it. I had to wear it like I
was wrong.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Now, we got a lot right about the twenty twenty
four election, but I don't think people out there trusted
us less because you got something wrong. Because everybody gets
things wrong. Well, that's a prediction too. Yeah, there's a
difference between a prediction, which is inherently uncertain, and telling
a lie. Yes, one goes to analysis and nobody's perfect.
Another goes to you're selling out and a lot of people.
(25:44):
I will tell you almost everyone sold out. I won't
name them because I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
People can always, even people on the other side, if
they asked to speak to me in confidence, I keep confidence.
I know some prominent democrats in the media, Clay who
would say to me offline, Oh, the trance thing is crazy,
but the agenda's crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
But I can't. I can't say it because my side
would eat me alive.
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