December 7, 2025 • 27 mins
Clay and Buck discuss their thoughts on long engagements and prenups. The media meltdown over Trump’s new construction projects. Clay owes Sean Hannity big time in lost bets.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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I've read a story about this.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
You were saying, if a woman says I'm not crazy,
you know, running the other direction, she's probably crazy. Some
men are taking women's last names. Now, I think I
would disown my sons. I mean, I have three boys.
I think if one of them came to me and said, Dad,
I am getting married and I am taking my new
(00:57):
wive's last name is my own, I would certainly not
pay for the wedding and I might take him out
of the will. I mean, that's some of you out
there might say, which would actually be meaningful for the
Travis boys. I'm just saying, Travis Boys, I mean, I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Want they want the they want that. You know that
I'll kick money. They don't want to get cut out
of the will. That would be bad.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
If one of them came to me and said, Dad,
I'm so excited, I'm engaged. I said congratulations, and then
they said, and Dad, I have decided that I'm going
to give up our name. I'm going to give up
the Travis name and I'm taking my fiance's name instead.
I would say, you're out of the will. But this
Riley guy, I BET's gonna do it. I bet he's
(01:39):
gonna be ok Tortes.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I back, I back you on on your assessment of
that entirely. And little Speed, Jimmy Speed, same same rule
is gonna play. I can't take the woman's name, is
he but that that's that's not gonna happen, not gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I can't imagine it happening. But but this Riley Roberts guy,
he may do it. He's gonna be uh Riley Cortez.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
That that I.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Would not not be. He's gonna spend a lot of
time explaining why he took AOC's last name and why
he's in photos in the background holding her purse. Nonetheless,
the engagement April twenty twenty two. Been engaged for going
on four years. You know, I'm just how long were
you engaged to do what they do?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
I don't calls people if my husband and I have
been married fifty years and have ten children and couldn't
be happier, we were engaged for fifteen years, like I don't.
There's always people do things their own way. It works
out great in general. Long engagement not the right move,
not the right moves. There's no reason for this.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Why anything. They already said you want to get married,
get married anything more than a year. Something's up.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, I just I the guy is just playing for time.
He's waiting to see whether the options are going to
get better. If you can't get engaged and married in
a year, and I look, there are exceptions like, yes,
maybe your husband is serving overseas and he's unable to
come back like I'm talking about. And if you live
in the country, right, and you aren't on an oil
(03:03):
rig somewhere in the Arctic, right, and you aren't under
a deep cover in the Middle East trying to bring
down terrorist organizations, all right, I'm giving a couple of excepts,
if you live in the United States and you are
engaged for over a year, it is something's up. It's
good advice. I'm just trying to make people's life better.
(03:25):
If he's not willing to do that, then something is up.
He's just playing for time. Where are you on pre nups?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Because people have been pointing out to me there is
another James Sexton out there. Have you seen this guy
all over the internet. He's a divorce attorney who shares
my legal name. Obviously you all know me as Buck.
His name is James Sexton, and he's like the divorce
attorney to the stars, and now he's become something of
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almost a life coach, I think, online for people, and
he's trying to tell everybody that everybody, regardless of well,
should have a prenup because otherwise the state, meaning you know,
whatever state you live in, has one that they've already made.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Up for you.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I disagree. I am not a pre nup guy. I mean,
I guess I'm admitting something very personal on the air here.
But unless you're like a unless you're like a Rockefeller
and you're on wife number two or three, I don't
think pre nups are the move.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I mean, I had a negative net worth when I
got married, so all I would have been doing is
spreading out more of the money that that basically I owed.
And we had a negative net worth for a long
time early in our marriage too. I do understand like
if I had been where I am now and I
had never gotten married, I would be skeptical of the
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world out there in a way that I was not
when I was twenty five and I got married.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
So I think partly it's age.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
And I guess to your point, Buck, if your family
is so insanely like the Rockefellows back in the day,
like maybe the Newsoms, which we'll talk about in the
third hour, maybe you should sit around. The word is
by the way that Gavin Newsom had a several hundred
thousand dollars wedding, which will not surprise you, despite the
fact that he claimed that he was raised with no assets,
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which will play for you in the third hour. I
think you have to be really wealthy to even think
about a prenup. To me, now, everyone, maybe it's easy
to do a prenup if neither one of you have anything.
Maybe it's not that much of a fight, and so
maybe that's what he's kind of getting at is basically
(05:39):
just presumption that the marital union might end. And so
if you already have made decisions that are rational, but
life's circumstances changed so much. I mean, if you don't
have kids and you get divorced, to me, that's not
I understand, it's like not ideal to get divorced, But
if you don't have kids, your divorce is more like
a breakup than it is. There's not a child.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Share the other James Sexton, if you go on Instagram
or on TikTok, he's He's every It's like, I mean,
maybe he's the most famous Sexton out there now, who knows.
But he says, you break it down into yours mind,
communal marital property, and you just start from there. I look,
I didn't do it, and I don't advocate for it,
but I'm I think it's interesting that now this is becoming,
(06:25):
this is growing as a thing before people get married,
even when they This is specifically he's saying for people
because you don't know, and so set it up now,
because you can't set it up after the fact. I mean,
there's a scene I think you know Donald and Ivana
they had a prenup and that was part of one
of these movies or whatever. They're negotiating their prenup, and
(06:46):
I do believe there was there was a prenup there,
but that's because he's a Trump and he's got a
massive fortune. And then you get into the company, you know,
the family business. You know, how do you split up
some of these things? And some of it does get
very complicated very quickly. So yeah, I don't know, I
just just put it out there. I just want to
point out there's another James Sexton, which is.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
There's also a lot of a lot of relationship advice
that has been given in this segment, all of which
I would point out is flawless.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
In Jerue Well, and our wives know that both of us,
Clay and Buck respectively, according to their wives, flawless when
it comes to relationships. It's exactly right, have all the
answers perfect us, as I'm regularly referred to.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Frankly, Yeah, I know, Sunday hang with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So we tell you things here because they're true and
because we believe them. And then it's it's fun to
see how even our ideological enemies will often have to say,
you know, that thing that Clay and Buck among others
have been telling you, particularly about anything Trump related, that
thing that they've been telling you is true. It actually
(07:56):
is true. Like they're not just saying it because they're
saying it because it reflects reality. It is accurate, it
is honest, it is necessary. And a great example of
this is how we've been saying this Trump ballroom East
Wing demolition situation, which if you if you were to
(08:17):
veer over in an MSNBC, they act like Trump is
like silk screening his hair onto the Mona Lisa or something.
I mean, they are so freaked out about this, like
oh my gosh, the history, the history of America.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
They're all so upset.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
But the reality is this is a good idea and
the design looks good, and this is for future presidencies
and they will be happy to have it. This from
the Washington Post, which is occasionally, I think, so that
Jeff Bezos doesn't just turn it into like a big
you know, cooking channel or something occasionally tries to be rational. Clay,
(08:59):
I'm going to read from some of this is from
the editorial board. This is not from one person this
is the editorial board. Read you some of this editorial, then, Clay,
I want you to react. Okay. Quote In classic Trump fashion,
the president is pursuing a reasonable idea in the most jarring,
jarring manner possible. Privately, many alumni of the Biden and
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Obama White Houses acknowledge the long overdue need for an
event space like what Trump is creating. It is absurd
that tents need to be erected on the south lawn
for state dinners, and VIPs are forced to use porta potties.
The State dining room seats one hundred and forty, the
(09:44):
East room two hundred. Trump says the ballroom at the
center of his ninety thousand square foot edition will accommodate
nine hundred and ninety nine guests. The next Democratic president
will be happy to have this one more thing. Preservationists
express horror that Trump did not submit his plans to
(10:04):
their scrutiny. But the truth is that this project would
not have gotten done, certainly not during his term. If
he had gone through a traditional review process. The blueprints
would have been faced by death by a thousand paper cuts.
End quote Clay, as we have been saying, this is sensible.
It looks like it is being well designed and well executed,
(10:26):
and the people.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
That are saying but both the process the process.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
The process to get this done would be insane, and
it would take a decade to build this freaking ballroom.
And Trump is getting it done in Trump fashion, which means.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Right away, there is a big article, and I maybe
the team can look up to make sure which newspaper
it is, because I again read them every morning, so
you don't have to in either the Wall Street Journal
or the New York Times, which goes into in earnest
how this came to be, And basically the biggest take
(11:00):
away is there essentially is no zoning restriction on the
White House. So for all of you out there that
have ever built anything, typically there are community boards, there
are cities, there are states. I mean sadly, California is
a perfect example of this because almost no one whose
home was burned down in the LA fires has yet
(11:22):
been able to get a permit to be able to
start rebuilding. And what the article points out is that
I believe it's the White House, the Supreme Court, and
it's the Capitol Building are essentially zoning free, and the
president can just decide that he wants to remodel. And
Trump saw this, couldn't believe it, and said, okay, well
(11:43):
let's do it.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I mean, he's a builder.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
And the article says that as all the way back
at twenty ten buck he called unsolicited David Axelrod. They
said that Mina Brazinski gave Trump David Axelrod's phone number.
He was the Obama chief of staff, I think, and
Trump called in twenty ten and told David Axelrod this
(12:06):
ballroom situation. Can well imagine when he was just a
reality television star before he'd gotten into politics. He said, look,
the ballroom situation is a disgrace. There's no way you
should have to be tenting the south lawn to be
able to host big events. He said, I want to
build a ballroom for Obama. Back then he just said
(12:27):
for the country. He said, I build beautiful ballrooms. You
can come down and check it out at mar A Lago.
And this is something that he's been obsessed with now
for fifteen years. And to me, what is interesting from
a metaphorical perspective, and this is what drives people crazy,
is Trump is making decisions to a large extent for
things that he will never benefit for personally because he
(12:51):
thinks it's better for the country, and this is what
oftentimes builders do. I wrote about it quite a lot
in my new book. But when I was at Bedminster,
most recently, when I went with Trump to the NCAA
wrestling tournament, Trump was right around in his golf cart
picking locations for new trees on Bedminster. It's a beautiful
(13:14):
golf course out there. Some of you have had the
opportunity to play it in New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
He's not going.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
The thing I love about trees, my wife makes fun
of me for how much I like trees, is if
you ever have been on a property which has beautifully
laid out trees, a perfect lane or an entrance to
a home. Trees are left for the next generations, typically
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not for the individuals who plant them, because it takes
so long for the trees to grow. It's an effort
to try to make the world more beautiful after you're gone.
And Trump with this ballroom, also with Air Force one. Frankly,
he's not really going to benefit much himself, just once
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for the United States to have a majestic venue that
befits the majesty of this country, and he's basically bequeathing
it to the nation, even though for most of the
time he's going to be gone when it's being used
by Democrat, Republicans or parties we don't even know of
in the years ahead.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
This is just another I know it's the thousandth, the
millionth example of this, but it's so childish and just
so exhausting to be on the other side of the
childishness that whatever Trump does, we have to say it's horrible.
You know, whatever Trump does, the Washington Democrat media and
(14:39):
the Democrat machinery and politics, and the left and the
progressives and the they oh, oh.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
My god, you're so terrible what Trump is doing.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
He's doing something with private money that will look great,
that will be great for the White House currently and future.
That makes sense to anybody who understands the current situation
of the White House. And all you'd have to do
is sit there and think this through for a second.
You know, if you want to freak out about Trump,
(15:08):
there's a lot of things that you could find where
at least I get, you know, how they're making an
argument about it, or I get why it bothers them
so much. But for this, it's just another instance of
Trump derangement syndrome unfull display. The Washington Post editorial. I
think it's because at some level they recognize that people
who know about this White House are starting to make
(15:31):
this argument. And you know, when you have former Obama
staffers who are saying, yeah, that's a pretty good idea.
If that gets out a lot of people on MSNBC,
that people on Morning Joe who are acting like Trump
is is bulldozing the louver. They got the guys, by
the way, we should probably abate that.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Maybe.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Well, I haven't seen that they officially officially got the
guys yet.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I mean, I know they made a rest, but they haven't.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
We think it was the guy in the photo who
looks like the fancy French detective you know that photo
that No, but there's a there's a that's not really
inspector cluse. So there's a guy who when they in
the you know what I'm talking about, there was a
outside the louver. Oh, there's some guy who's a French
detective who looks like if you were casting a French detective.
(16:17):
Unless this is AI guys, I don't know, I don't
know what the you cannot get AI because some of
these photos. Now, with the AI, you're gonna have a
really good eye.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
And you'll miss it.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
So maybe that's what I'm thinking of.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
On the ballroom, did you see that? Swaalwell tweeted?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
This is Congressman Swalwell from California, he of the Feng
Feang Dalliance, Chinese spy. Don't even think of seeking the
Democrat nomination for president unless you pledge to take a
wrecking ball to the Trump ballroom on all caps day one.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I just.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Is he actually this dumb well?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I mean, the ballroom is going to be a phenomenal
edifice for all parties to be able to host. I
might mention also, Buck and I would imagine a much
safer way. I can't imagine that having tents on the
South lawn is an ideal security mechanism for all of
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the heads of state, to say nothing of the difficulty
associated with it. And again, Trump has been trying to
get this done since before he was a politician. Fifteen
years ago. He called up when Obama was in office
and said, hey, let me build a really great ballroom
for the country. And now this just comes back to
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he's just trying to solve as many problems as he
possibly can in what is going to be a relatively
short four year term. And he's a builder. I think
you can criticize him for a lot. You've been in
the Mar A Lago Ballroom, I've been the We did
chows from basically there. It's a spectacular hosting event location.
(18:03):
This is an incredible gift that Trump is giving to
the country, and again every president for the rest of
our lives will be able to use it, no matter
what political party they're in, for the betterment of the
overall hosting facilities at the White House.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
It's just a no brainer.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yes, you would think that Democrats would be so excited
that now they will have a massive White House venue
to host drag Queen Story Hour, you know, like you
would think that they would see that this will soon
be the shoe, so to speak, will be on the
other foot, and that they would be in a position
to use this for their own purposes, and that it
makes a lot of sense and it's a smart thing
to do, and it's good for security as well, which
(18:43):
you and I have pointed out, much better than having
a tent on the lawn that's not something that you
really want to continue to mess around with. So it
makes sense in every respect. But Democrats hated it because
Trump was doing it. But now they're having to figure
out that, like so many things that Trump has done
that they hated, they just hated it because Trump was
doing it, and just maybe they should grow up and
pick and choose their battles and say, hmm, nice, the
(19:06):
guy who's famous for building incredible towers, incredible buildings all
over the world, the golf courses, all this stuff. Maybe
he knows what he's doing on this one like he
does on a whole bunch of other things.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
You know that they could.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Take a deep breath, but they're not there yet. Eventually, Clay,
when we get it, when we get past the midterms
and we start seeing them, we start talking about whether
it's gonna be the Vance Rubio ticket. This is where
they'll start to say things they'll mutter under their breath
and then louder and louder over time. Well, that thing
Trump did was actually pretty good, you know, it kind
of made some sense. You know, Then the truth will
(19:39):
be able to be said about some of these things,
like the ballroom, which is coming along very well.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Sundays with Clay and Buck Bob from Houston.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I actually gave Houston a shout out yesterday, but Bob
says we don't talk enough about how nice Texas is.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
BB.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Now, Clay and Buck, I understand why you give Tennessee
and Florida all the love in the world, And of course,
I handy's a lot of love to Florida as well,
and all of them for very good reasons.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
I know why.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Okay, So when are you ever gonna mention how awesome
in great Texas is to move to as well? I
love Agstown, I love the Greater the Greater Houston area
is really thriving. It's becoming so big and massive. It's
going to be better and bigger than New York. Get
out there.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
We love Houston, we love it's fair. I try to
throw in the throw to the mix that Texas is
great too. But Clay, I think that Texas has always
been the red sanctuary for you know, it's like, if
you want to go red, you've known Florida has become
red under Rond DeSantis and part of the post COVID
(20:50):
Revolution freedom revolution here, and then Tennessee I just think
has become more of a national destination.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I yeah, I think that's all true. I try to
say Texas, Tennessee, in Florida because all three have no
state income tax. So well, that's the big that's the
big test.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
By the way, if you're the real deal, you should
have no state I've talked to other red state governors
about this and they wish they could join, but it's
very hard to get those entrenched interests once they get
used to those tax dollars to.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Get rid of it.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
That's exactly right, uh, Phoenix kf Y. I also love
the state of Arizona, great place. Uh yeah, this is true.
But listen to her take away.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Was listening to Hannity the other day and he said
that he's made several best with you and you haven't
paid us at all.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
Can you comments?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I owe show a lot of money, It's true.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I mean the range they can play, they can play
it on Hannity, I owe Sean hundreds of dollars. I
think he's won every sports bet with me, and it's convened, convenient.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I don't carry a lot of cash to know this.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Sean Hannity is smoking the OutKick guy when it comes
to sports betting.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I've lost a lot of bets with Sean. I owe
him hundreds of dollars, and it is funny every time
I see him, I'm like, I just don't have a
lot of cash. I do not typically carry a lot
of cash. But he's not he's not lying when he
says that I owe him and that that so far
I haven't paid him.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
I got it.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I think I should have to like join him in
their New York City studio next time you're in New
York and pay up on air Clay, I do make amends.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
He's dodge in New York City like you are, though
now he's got his studio dout in Florida. He's uh,
he's a Floridian now, Pam in Anchorage, Alaska.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Oh yeah this. We got a lot of reactions to this.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
I bet okay, Clay. I watched your video when you
were showing us your rooftop pool with a view of
your ground level pull and now all I can picture
is you just sunning naked, you know, on your rooftop
and then meandering down to your ground level naked. Just
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it's too late for me. Everyone runs, save yourself.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Look what I say.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
We got audience members picturing you naked, buddy, that's not
the real talk.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I did not say that I'm like a male stripper
or something. I said that we don't have window shades
or treatments or whatever the hell these things are called
in the master bedroom yet, and there is a builder
across the way. And so my wife will regularly like,
I take a shower, and then I just go get underwear,
go get dressed. And I don't really worry about like
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if the construction guys are looking at me, because I'm
a guy, Like what do I care? And my wife
is always like, oh my god, you can't walk, you
can't do this. And my argument is women think about
nudity very different than men, because the women's body is pursued.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
People try to see it naked. Nobody wants to see
me naked. I'm not. If you want to look, you
can look. Sorry, construction guys, it's sorry. Buck Sexton.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Here in the entire Clan Buck Show, wish you and
your family a warm Christmas season and a joyful New Year.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Sunday Drop with Clay Buck.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
We call balls and strikes here based on reality. One
of the these days, I would say unique selling propositions
of this show is that we just see things that
are happening and say what we think or what we
know to be true about those things. And that is
in short supply these days in a lot of places.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
In the media.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
And that includes the completely manufactured freak out about the
trump ballroom situation, where there was a whole week of
news cycle where people.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Look, oh my gosh, he's destroying all the history of
the White House.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
It's terrible, and anybody who actually knows the White House
is like, well, it's kind of a dingy area that
he was getting rid of, and they actually need to
do something here. And none other than mister Bill Maher,
who does come hang out with us in Sanityville sometimes
always well, everyone's always welcome in Sanityville. Here he is saying, look,
the freak out over the trump ballroom that was just nonsense.
(25:03):
It's actually a good idea play seven.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I don't give a I really don't give ah. I
was reading it shows you like how the media is,
everything is always on one side or the other. When
he first mentioned it, it was like all about, oh
my god, he's desecrating the White House. Then I finally read, oh,
well you know they've done to the White House before.
It's just a building. I think also, like I realized
(25:27):
after reading other people, we don't have a place when
they have state dinners. They're doing an attent. This is America.
So do I give that he's doing this to the
White House? I really don't.
Speaker 8 (25:39):
Well, look, you raise your money private new Yeah, and
it's private running, you know. Kind if Newson wants to
knock it down when he's president, the right, get savior,
ire for the things that matter.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
That was Uncle Bill there. He'll be with us on Thursday.
By the way, he had a very strong appearance on
on a Bill Marshaw, Bill Riley. I always enjoy talking
to Uncle Bill. But he was weighing in there at
the end. But Clay, anybody who's looking at the situation
of the ballroom honestly would say, yeah, actually, this is
gonna be great for future administrations too. This is a
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smart thing to do.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Objectively.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, And look, I mean, if you're a history person,
there have been so many adjustments made, so many renovations
made to the White House over the years. The Truman
Balcony and everything that Harry Truman did. He basically took
the White House down to the studs, and what Trump
is trying to do here is going to benefit every
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administration for a long time to come. And I would
think just purely from a security aspect, when you consider
all of the heads of state having to come in
and out, the difficulties associated with tinting the lawn and
everything that builds around it, this is just a no brainer.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
And Trump.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Has decided basically that in a relatively short period of
time he's going to address everything. He's just going to
find problems and he's going to solve them. I think
he was impressed to find out that somehow there's not
major zoning restrictions on the White House, because as a builder,
one of the most frustrating things you have to deal
with is all the different regulatory approvals. And he just
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jumped right in and said, hey, I'm going to solve
this once and for all.
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Speaker 4 (00:33):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
You were saying, if a woman says I'm not crazy,
you know, running the other direction, she's probably crazy. Some
men are taking women's last names. Now, I think I
would disown my sons. I mean, I have three boys.
I think if one of them came to me and said, Dad,
I am getting married and I am taking my new
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wive's last name is my own, I would certainly not
pay for the wedding and I might take him out
of the will. I mean, that's some of you out
there might say, which would actually be meaningful for the
Travis boys. I'm just saying, Travis Boys, I mean, I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Want they want the they want that. You know that
I'll kick money. They don't want to get cut out
of the will. That would be bad.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
If one of them came to me and said, Dad,
I'm so excited, I'm engaged. I said congratulations, and then
they said, and Dad, I have decided that I'm going
to give up our name. I'm going to give up
the Travis name and I'm taking my fiance's name instead.
I would say, you're out of the will. But this
Riley guy, I BET's gonna do it. I bet he's
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gonna be ok Tortes.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I back, I back you on on your assessment of
that entirely. And little Speed, Jimmy Speed, same same rule
is gonna play. I can't take the woman's name, is
he but that that's that's not gonna happen, not gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I can't imagine it happening. But but this Riley Roberts guy,
he may do it. He's gonna be uh Riley Cortez.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
That that I.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Would not not be. He's gonna spend a lot of
time explaining why he took AOC's last name and why
he's in photos in the background holding her purse. Nonetheless,
the engagement April twenty twenty two. Been engaged for going
on four years. You know, I'm just how long were
you engaged to do what they do?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
I don't calls people if my husband and I have
been married fifty years and have ten children and couldn't
be happier, we were engaged for fifteen years, like I don't.
There's always people do things their own way. It works
out great in general. Long engagement not the right move,
not the right moves. There's no reason for this.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Why anything. They already said you want to get married,
get married anything more than a year. Something's up.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, I just I the guy is just playing for time.
He's waiting to see whether the options are going to
get better. If you can't get engaged and married in
a year, and I look, there are exceptions like, yes,
maybe your husband is serving overseas and he's unable to
come back like I'm talking about. And if you live
in the country, right, and you aren't on an oil
(03:03):
rig somewhere in the Arctic, right, and you aren't under
a deep cover in the Middle East trying to bring
down terrorist organizations, all right, I'm giving a couple of excepts,
if you live in the United States and you are
engaged for over a year, it is something's up. It's
good advice. I'm just trying to make people's life better.
(03:25):
If he's not willing to do that, then something is up.
He's just playing for time. Where are you on pre nups?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Because people have been pointing out to me there is
another James Sexton out there. Have you seen this guy
all over the internet. He's a divorce attorney who shares
my legal name. Obviously you all know me as Buck.
His name is James Sexton, and he's like the divorce
attorney to the stars, and now he's become something of
(03:53):
almost a life coach, I think, online for people, and
he's trying to tell everybody that everybody, regardless of well,
should have a prenup because otherwise the state, meaning you know,
whatever state you live in, has one that they've already made.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Up for you.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I disagree. I am not a pre nup guy. I mean,
I guess I'm admitting something very personal on the air here.
But unless you're like a unless you're like a Rockefeller
and you're on wife number two or three, I don't
think pre nups are the move.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I mean, I had a negative net worth when I
got married, so all I would have been doing is
spreading out more of the money that that basically I owed.
And we had a negative net worth for a long
time early in our marriage too. I do understand like
if I had been where I am now and I
had never gotten married, I would be skeptical of the
(04:48):
world out there in a way that I was not
when I was twenty five and I got married.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
So I think partly it's age.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
And I guess to your point, Buck, if your family
is so insanely like the Rockefellows back in the day,
like maybe the Newsoms, which we'll talk about in the
third hour, maybe you should sit around. The word is
by the way that Gavin Newsom had a several hundred
thousand dollars wedding, which will not surprise you, despite the
fact that he claimed that he was raised with no assets,
(05:17):
which will play for you in the third hour. I
think you have to be really wealthy to even think
about a prenup. To me, now, everyone, maybe it's easy
to do a prenup if neither one of you have anything.
Maybe it's not that much of a fight, and so
maybe that's what he's kind of getting at is basically
(05:39):
just presumption that the marital union might end. And so
if you already have made decisions that are rational, but
life's circumstances changed so much. I mean, if you don't
have kids and you get divorced, to me, that's not
I understand, it's like not ideal to get divorced, But
if you don't have kids, your divorce is more like
a breakup than it is. There's not a child.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Share the other James Sexton, if you go on Instagram
or on TikTok, he's He's every It's like, I mean,
maybe he's the most famous Sexton out there now, who knows.
But he says, you break it down into yours mind,
communal marital property, and you just start from there. I look,
I didn't do it, and I don't advocate for it,
but I'm I think it's interesting that now this is becoming,
(06:25):
this is growing as a thing before people get married,
even when they This is specifically he's saying for people
because you don't know, and so set it up now,
because you can't set it up after the fact. I mean,
there's a scene I think you know Donald and Ivana
they had a prenup and that was part of one
of these movies or whatever. They're negotiating their prenup, and
(06:46):
I do believe there was there was a prenup there,
but that's because he's a Trump and he's got a
massive fortune. And then you get into the company, you know,
the family business. You know, how do you split up
some of these things? And some of it does get
very complicated very quickly. So yeah, I don't know, I
just just put it out there. I just want to
point out there's another James Sexton, which is.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
There's also a lot of a lot of relationship advice
that has been given in this segment, all of which
I would point out is flawless.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
In Jerue Well, and our wives know that both of us,
Clay and Buck respectively, according to their wives, flawless when
it comes to relationships. It's exactly right, have all the
answers perfect us, as I'm regularly referred to.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Frankly, Yeah, I know, Sunday hang with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So we tell you things here because they're true and
because we believe them. And then it's it's fun to
see how even our ideological enemies will often have to say,
you know, that thing that Clay and Buck among others
have been telling you, particularly about anything Trump related, that
thing that they've been telling you is true. It actually
(07:56):
is true. Like they're not just saying it because they're
saying it because it reflects reality. It is accurate, it
is honest, it is necessary. And a great example of
this is how we've been saying this Trump ballroom East
Wing demolition situation, which if you if you were to
(08:17):
veer over in an MSNBC, they act like Trump is
like silk screening his hair onto the Mona Lisa or something.
I mean, they are so freaked out about this, like
oh my gosh, the history, the history of America.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
They're all so upset.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
But the reality is this is a good idea and
the design looks good, and this is for future presidencies
and they will be happy to have it. This from
the Washington Post, which is occasionally, I think, so that
Jeff Bezos doesn't just turn it into like a big
you know, cooking channel or something occasionally tries to be rational. Clay,
(08:59):
I'm going to read from some of this is from
the editorial board. This is not from one person this
is the editorial board. Read you some of this editorial, then, Clay,
I want you to react. Okay. Quote In classic Trump fashion,
the president is pursuing a reasonable idea in the most jarring,
jarring manner possible. Privately, many alumni of the Biden and
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Obama White Houses acknowledge the long overdue need for an
event space like what Trump is creating. It is absurd
that tents need to be erected on the south lawn
for state dinners, and VIPs are forced to use porta potties.
The State dining room seats one hundred and forty, the
(09:44):
East room two hundred. Trump says the ballroom at the
center of his ninety thousand square foot edition will accommodate
nine hundred and ninety nine guests. The next Democratic president
will be happy to have this one more thing. Preservationists
express horror that Trump did not submit his plans to
(10:04):
their scrutiny. But the truth is that this project would
not have gotten done, certainly not during his term. If
he had gone through a traditional review process. The blueprints
would have been faced by death by a thousand paper cuts.
End quote Clay, as we have been saying, this is sensible.
It looks like it is being well designed and well executed,
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and the people.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
That are saying but both the process the process.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
The process to get this done would be insane, and
it would take a decade to build this freaking ballroom.
And Trump is getting it done in Trump fashion, which means.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Right away, there is a big article, and I maybe
the team can look up to make sure which newspaper
it is, because I again read them every morning, so
you don't have to in either the Wall Street Journal
or the New York Times, which goes into in earnest
how this came to be, And basically the biggest take
(11:00):
away is there essentially is no zoning restriction on the
White House. So for all of you out there that
have ever built anything, typically there are community boards, there
are cities, there are states. I mean sadly, California is
a perfect example of this because almost no one whose
home was burned down in the LA fires has yet
(11:22):
been able to get a permit to be able to
start rebuilding. And what the article points out is that
I believe it's the White House, the Supreme Court, and
it's the Capitol Building are essentially zoning free, and the
president can just decide that he wants to remodel. And
Trump saw this, couldn't believe it, and said, okay, well
(11:43):
let's do it.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I mean, he's a builder.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
And the article says that as all the way back
at twenty ten buck he called unsolicited David Axelrod. They
said that Mina Brazinski gave Trump David Axelrod's phone number.
He was the Obama chief of staff, I think, and
Trump called in twenty ten and told David Axelrod this
(12:06):
ballroom situation. Can well imagine when he was just a
reality television star before he'd gotten into politics. He said, look,
the ballroom situation is a disgrace. There's no way you
should have to be tenting the south lawn to be
able to host big events. He said, I want to
build a ballroom for Obama. Back then he just said
(12:27):
for the country. He said, I build beautiful ballrooms. You
can come down and check it out at mar A Lago.
And this is something that he's been obsessed with now
for fifteen years. And to me, what is interesting from
a metaphorical perspective, and this is what drives people crazy,
is Trump is making decisions to a large extent for
things that he will never benefit for personally because he
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thinks it's better for the country, and this is what
oftentimes builders do. I wrote about it quite a lot
in my new book. But when I was at Bedminster,
most recently, when I went with Trump to the NCAA
wrestling tournament, Trump was right around in his golf cart
picking locations for new trees on Bedminster. It's a beautiful
(13:14):
golf course out there. Some of you have had the
opportunity to play it in New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
He's not going.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
The thing I love about trees, my wife makes fun
of me for how much I like trees, is if
you ever have been on a property which has beautifully
laid out trees, a perfect lane or an entrance to
a home. Trees are left for the next generations, typically
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not for the individuals who plant them, because it takes
so long for the trees to grow. It's an effort
to try to make the world more beautiful after you're gone.
And Trump with this ballroom, also with Air Force one. Frankly,
he's not really going to benefit much himself, just once
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for the United States to have a majestic venue that
befits the majesty of this country, and he's basically bequeathing
it to the nation, even though for most of the
time he's going to be gone when it's being used
by Democrat, Republicans or parties we don't even know of
in the years ahead.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
This is just another I know it's the thousandth, the
millionth example of this, but it's so childish and just
so exhausting to be on the other side of the
childishness that whatever Trump does, we have to say it's horrible.
You know, whatever Trump does, the Washington Democrat media and
(14:39):
the Democrat machinery and politics, and the left and the
progressives and the they oh, oh.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
My god, you're so terrible what Trump is doing.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
He's doing something with private money that will look great,
that will be great for the White House currently and future.
That makes sense to anybody who understands the current situation
of the White House. And all you'd have to do
is sit there and think this through for a second.
You know, if you want to freak out about Trump,
(15:08):
there's a lot of things that you could find where
at least I get, you know, how they're making an
argument about it, or I get why it bothers them
so much. But for this, it's just another instance of
Trump derangement syndrome unfull display. The Washington Post editorial. I
think it's because at some level they recognize that people
who know about this White House are starting to make
(15:31):
this argument. And you know, when you have former Obama
staffers who are saying, yeah, that's a pretty good idea.
If that gets out a lot of people on MSNBC,
that people on Morning Joe who are acting like Trump
is is bulldozing the louver. They got the guys, by
the way, we should probably abate that.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Maybe.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Well, I haven't seen that they officially officially got the
guys yet.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I mean, I know they made a rest, but they haven't.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
We think it was the guy in the photo who
looks like the fancy French detective you know that photo
that No, but there's a there's a that's not really
inspector cluse. So there's a guy who when they in
the you know what I'm talking about, there was a
outside the louver. Oh, there's some guy who's a French
detective who looks like if you were casting a French detective.
(16:17):
Unless this is AI guys, I don't know, I don't
know what the you cannot get AI because some of
these photos. Now, with the AI, you're gonna have a
really good eye.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
And you'll miss it.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
So maybe that's what I'm thinking of.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
On the ballroom, did you see that? Swaalwell tweeted?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
This is Congressman Swalwell from California, he of the Feng
Feang Dalliance, Chinese spy. Don't even think of seeking the
Democrat nomination for president unless you pledge to take a
wrecking ball to the Trump ballroom on all caps day one.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I just.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Is he actually this dumb well?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I mean, the ballroom is going to be a phenomenal
edifice for all parties to be able to host. I
might mention also, Buck and I would imagine a much
safer way. I can't imagine that having tents on the
South lawn is an ideal security mechanism for all of
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the heads of state, to say nothing of the difficulty
associated with it. And again, Trump has been trying to
get this done since before he was a politician. Fifteen
years ago. He called up when Obama was in office
and said, hey, let me build a really great ballroom
for the country. And now this just comes back to
(17:42):
he's just trying to solve as many problems as he
possibly can in what is going to be a relatively
short four year term. And he's a builder. I think
you can criticize him for a lot. You've been in
the Mar A Lago Ballroom, I've been the We did
chows from basically there. It's a spectacular hosting event location.
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This is an incredible gift that Trump is giving to
the country, and again every president for the rest of
our lives will be able to use it, no matter
what political party they're in, for the betterment of the
overall hosting facilities at the White House.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
It's just a no brainer.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yes, you would think that Democrats would be so excited
that now they will have a massive White House venue
to host drag Queen Story Hour, you know, like you
would think that they would see that this will soon
be the shoe, so to speak, will be on the
other foot, and that they would be in a position
to use this for their own purposes, and that it
makes a lot of sense and it's a smart thing
to do, and it's good for security as well, which
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you and I have pointed out, much better than having
a tent on the lawn that's not something that you
really want to continue to mess around with. So it
makes sense in every respect. But Democrats hated it because
Trump was doing it. But now they're having to figure
out that, like so many things that Trump has done
that they hated, they just hated it because Trump was
doing it, and just maybe they should grow up and
pick and choose their battles and say, hmm, nice, the
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guy who's famous for building incredible towers, incredible buildings all
over the world, the golf courses, all this stuff. Maybe
he knows what he's doing on this one like he
does on a whole bunch of other things.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
You know that they could.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Take a deep breath, but they're not there yet. Eventually, Clay,
when we get it, when we get past the midterms
and we start seeing them, we start talking about whether
it's gonna be the Vance Rubio ticket. This is where
they'll start to say things they'll mutter under their breath
and then louder and louder over time. Well, that thing
Trump did was actually pretty good, you know, it kind
of made some sense. You know, Then the truth will
(19:39):
be able to be said about some of these things,
like the ballroom, which is coming along very well.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Sundays with Clay and Buck Bob from Houston.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I actually gave Houston a shout out yesterday, but Bob
says we don't talk enough about how nice Texas is.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
BB.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Now, Clay and Buck, I understand why you give Tennessee
and Florida all the love in the world, And of course,
I handy's a lot of love to Florida as well,
and all of them for very good reasons.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
I know why.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Okay, So when are you ever gonna mention how awesome
in great Texas is to move to as well? I
love Agstown, I love the Greater the Greater Houston area
is really thriving. It's becoming so big and massive. It's
going to be better and bigger than New York. Get
out there.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
We love Houston, we love it's fair. I try to
throw in the throw to the mix that Texas is
great too. But Clay, I think that Texas has always
been the red sanctuary for you know, it's like, if
you want to go red, you've known Florida has become
red under Rond DeSantis and part of the post COVID
(20:50):
Revolution freedom revolution here, and then Tennessee I just think
has become more of a national destination.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I yeah, I think that's all true. I try to
say Texas, Tennessee, in Florida because all three have no
state income tax. So well, that's the big that's the
big test.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
By the way, if you're the real deal, you should
have no state I've talked to other red state governors
about this and they wish they could join, but it's
very hard to get those entrenched interests once they get
used to those tax dollars to.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Get rid of it.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
That's exactly right, uh, Phoenix kf Y. I also love
the state of Arizona, great place. Uh yeah, this is true.
But listen to her take away.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Was listening to Hannity the other day and he said
that he's made several best with you and you haven't
paid us at all.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
Can you comments?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I owe show a lot of money, It's true.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I mean the range they can play, they can play
it on Hannity, I owe Sean hundreds of dollars. I
think he's won every sports bet with me, and it's convened, convenient.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I don't carry a lot of cash to know this.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Sean Hannity is smoking the OutKick guy when it comes
to sports betting.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I've lost a lot of bets with Sean. I owe
him hundreds of dollars, and it is funny every time
I see him, I'm like, I just don't have a
lot of cash. I do not typically carry a lot
of cash. But he's not he's not lying when he
says that I owe him and that that so far
I haven't paid him.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
I got it.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I think I should have to like join him in
their New York City studio next time you're in New
York and pay up on air Clay, I do make amends.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
He's dodge in New York City like you are, though
now he's got his studio dout in Florida. He's uh,
he's a Floridian now, Pam in Anchorage, Alaska.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Oh yeah this. We got a lot of reactions to this.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
I bet okay, Clay. I watched your video when you
were showing us your rooftop pool with a view of
your ground level pull and now all I can picture
is you just sunning naked, you know, on your rooftop
and then meandering down to your ground level naked. Just
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it's too late for me. Everyone runs, save yourself.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Look what I say.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
We got audience members picturing you naked, buddy, that's not
the real talk.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I did not say that I'm like a male stripper
or something. I said that we don't have window shades
or treatments or whatever the hell these things are called
in the master bedroom yet, and there is a builder
across the way. And so my wife will regularly like,
I take a shower, and then I just go get underwear,
go get dressed. And I don't really worry about like
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if the construction guys are looking at me, because I'm
a guy, Like what do I care? And my wife
is always like, oh my god, you can't walk, you
can't do this. And my argument is women think about
nudity very different than men, because the women's body is pursued.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
People try to see it naked. Nobody wants to see
me naked. I'm not. If you want to look, you
can look. Sorry, construction guys, it's sorry. Buck Sexton.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Here in the entire Clan Buck Show, wish you and
your family a warm Christmas season and a joyful New Year.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Sunday Drop with Clay Buck.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
We call balls and strikes here based on reality. One
of the these days, I would say unique selling propositions
of this show is that we just see things that
are happening and say what we think or what we
know to be true about those things. And that is
in short supply these days in a lot of places.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
In the media.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
And that includes the completely manufactured freak out about the
trump ballroom situation, where there was a whole week of
news cycle where people.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Look, oh my gosh, he's destroying all the history of
the White House.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
It's terrible, and anybody who actually knows the White House
is like, well, it's kind of a dingy area that
he was getting rid of, and they actually need to
do something here. And none other than mister Bill Maher,
who does come hang out with us in Sanityville sometimes
always well, everyone's always welcome in Sanityville. Here he is saying, look,
the freak out over the trump ballroom that was just nonsense.
(25:03):
It's actually a good idea play seven.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I don't give a I really don't give ah. I
was reading it shows you like how the media is,
everything is always on one side or the other. When
he first mentioned it, it was like all about, oh
my god, he's desecrating the White House. Then I finally read, oh,
well you know they've done to the White House before.
It's just a building. I think also, like I realized
(25:27):
after reading other people, we don't have a place when
they have state dinners. They're doing an attent. This is America.
So do I give that he's doing this to the
White House? I really don't.
Speaker 8 (25:39):
Well, look, you raise your money private new Yeah, and
it's private running, you know. Kind if Newson wants to
knock it down when he's president, the right, get savior,
ire for the things that matter.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
That was Uncle Bill there. He'll be with us on Thursday.
By the way, he had a very strong appearance on
on a Bill Marshaw, Bill Riley. I always enjoy talking
to Uncle Bill. But he was weighing in there at
the end. But Clay, anybody who's looking at the situation
of the ballroom honestly would say, yeah, actually, this is
gonna be great for future administrations too. This is a
(26:12):
smart thing to do.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Objectively.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, And look, I mean, if you're a history person,
there have been so many adjustments made, so many renovations
made to the White House over the years. The Truman
Balcony and everything that Harry Truman did. He basically took
the White House down to the studs, and what Trump
is trying to do here is going to benefit every
(26:38):
administration for a long time to come. And I would
think just purely from a security aspect, when you consider
all of the heads of state having to come in
and out, the difficulties associated with tinting the lawn and
everything that builds around it, this is just a no brainer.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
And Trump.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Has decided basically that in a relatively short period of
time he's going to address everything. He's just going to
find problems and he's going to solve them. I think
he was impressed to find out that somehow there's not
major zoning restrictions on the White House, because as a builder,
one of the most frustrating things you have to deal
with is all the different regulatory approvals. And he just
(27:22):
jumped right in and said, hey, I'm going to solve
this once and for all.
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