July 27, 2025 • 42 mins
Bill O’Reilly reveals details of his conversation with President Trump about the Epstein story, his take on the Russia hoax revelations, the death of Hulk Hogan and his new book: Confronting Evil. Kentucky Senator Rand Paul talks accountability for Democrat lies and reforming the Fed. Alaska Senator Dan Sullivan on how Trump’s energy policies are remaking the economy of his state and the nation, the 2026 midterms, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Team forty seven podcast is sponsored by Good Ranchers
Making the American Farm Strong Again. Team forty seven with
Clay and Buck starts now we're joined now by Bill O'Reilly.
In terms of icon you spent a lot of time
talking about celebrities and impact and the legacy of fame
(00:25):
and all of these I think just tremendously generational and
timeless analyzes. Where would you put Hulk Hogan on the
list of true American original celebrities in that context for
which you have spent much of your career writing about.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I interviewed Hogan back when he was probably the top
wage earner in the wrestling business, and I think he's
the most famous wrestler ever. I mean, you don't get
more iconic in that industry than that. But what is
historical importance is is that he destroyed that smear website
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which was damaging Walker.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
He took down and.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I admired that because that was the worst. I mean,
there are a lot of bad websites now, a lot
nothing like that, and he took them down single handedly.
It was all him, and that's what I will remember
him for as a journalist the wrestling industry. Okay, you know.
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But what he did was he sent a message that
there is a limit to how much you can hurt
people using a website or a company, and that was
very important for this country.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You are writing about out right now evil in particular
Confronting Evil, Assessing the.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Worst of the Worst.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That book is going to come out September ninth, very soon. Yesterday,
and we didn't talk about it a ton on the show,
but yesterday Brian Koberger was confronted by the family and
friends of the four young people that he murdered in
cold blood in Idaho. What did you think as you
watched that in terms of evil and the fact that
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he just basically has declined to say anything about the
crimes that he is committing. That the plea that he
has entered into is going to save him from the
death penalty, but means I'll have to spend the rest
of his life in prison.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
That is singular evil, individual evil, and it's fainous, but
it's been in humankind forever. It is a planet, and
Neanderthals walked it. It has always been here. Singular evil.
What I write about in Confronting evil as collective evil,
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where you have fifteen people that we spotlight inside the
book that achieved enormous power, and they did so in
a variety of ways. But everyone knew they were evil.
It wasn't like a debate about it. And yet they
were able in their situations the Ayahtola and Iran Hitler
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in Germany, Stalin and Putin in Russia. They were able
to get to a position where they killed millions and
millions of people untold suffering. That was my fascination. Now
I've covered a lot of stories of my fifty years
in journalism and a lot of heinous serial killers. I
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chased Ted Bundy from coast to coast right he was
one of the worst ever. And my opinion on it
is very simple. These are psychotic people. There's psychopaths, and
they will commit as much damage as they can. They
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are evil, and society is an obligation to punish them
as much as possible. But it's not at the level
of what I'm writing about in my upcoming book.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
We're talking with Bill O'Reilly.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
We open the show talking about the revelations from Tulsea
Gabbard surrounding the twenty sixteen election and what the intelligence
agencies knew and what they said publicly, What do you
think the significance of that story is and playing it forward,
what will the consequences be, if any legally in your
(04:54):
mind going forward from the revelations she just shared, Well.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Brennan has definite criminal potential. The former CIA chief under Obama,
the guy according to the House report. Remember this is
the House Intelligence Committee, two years after the Senate issure.
There's a lot of new information there, and it was
(05:20):
chaired by Schiff to the Democratic majority on this committee.
They concluded that at least three times that Brennan knew
the information that he was using to get warrants to
do other things to damage the Trump administration was false.
(05:41):
So if I'm Brennan right now, I'm coman for the
best lawyer I can find. That looks like a slam
dunk case. To me, that looks like prison time. To
make the others a little murky, I mean, I know
the right wing people are jumping up and down, going, oh,
they're going to indict Barack Obama. They're not. That would
be impossible. It's not going to happen. So if you
(06:03):
want to run around thinking that, fine, but it's not
in the real world. Call me that THEI Chief now there,
You'd have to have a testimony inside the Bureau. You'd
have to have someone inside the Bureau that worked and
had access to Comy said yeah, he knew the same
thing Brandon knew, and he cooperated with the fraud. That's
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what you would need to nail Comy in front of
a federal grand jury. They may be able to get that.
The current Justice Department may be able to get that.
And so whenever these stories break, I always tell my
listeners and viewers that you have to live in the
real world. Supreme Court is rule clearly in Donald Trump's
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case in the January sixth that he had the right
as president to say and do what he felt was necessary.
Barack Obama's going to fall right under that category unless
you have Michelle Obama saying, hey, you know, he knew
it was a fake. I don't think you're going to
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get it, but you know who knows.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
We're talking to Bill O'Reilly got a new book coming
out about Confronting Evil. September ninth, What would you tell
President Trump he should do about the Epstein revelations and
the ongoing story there if he asked you for advice
your advice would.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Be what well, they asked me this morning. Oh okay,
about four hours ago, I got a call up from
the President and I you know, I don't report word
for word, but I'll tell you generally my feeling about it. Okay.
So I don't think that President Trump should answer any
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questions about Epstein. He should defer to the Justice Department.
I would not, as president, allow myself to be besieged
by this story. It is a legitimate story in the
sense that there are millions of Americans, not just liberal
people but conservative as well, who believe the fix is
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in at the federal level, and if you're rich and powerful,
you're going to be protected, even if you're a criminal.
That is a common belief in America. That makes the
story valid. So what I would do would be have
one spokesperson designated by the Justice Department to deal with
this situation and to tell the American people, here's what
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we are doing. If you read the Wall Street General
report yesterday, it said clearly that in the information compiled
by the federal government about Jeffrey Epstein, there are literally
hundreds of names in that information, hundreds guys that delivered
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the bagels. You know all it else. Ye, So these
people screaming you got to put it all out. That
would be billions of dollars in lawsuits if the Justice
Department were to do that, billions Because if your name
is associated with Jeffrey Epstein's name in any capacity, you're
going to be harmed. There's not going to be contact
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applied to it by anybody. And so your name pops
up alongside Jeffrey Epstein, whoever doesn't like you is going
to use that to hurt you. And so the Justice
Department cannot do that is impossible. And also in the
Journal article, and remember the Journal article, the Journal is
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going after Trump. They want to hurt Trump, that newspaper,
which is going to be catastrophic for the Murdoch family
in Fox News down the road. Also in that article
is no one is currently under federal investigation in this case.
No one. Now, the Wall Street Journal is usually pretty
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accurate in this report, Taj, I don't know about this
birthday card business.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Were you stunned by the way?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Let me ask you about that, because to me, from
a news perspective, I think you first have to ask
yourself the question.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
We're talking to Bill O'Reilly is this news?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And then secondarily you ask, okay, is it relevant news.
I don't even get to the second question, because Trump
doing even if he did it a body birthday card
twenty some odd years ago for Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
To me, isn't news.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Epstein wasn't a felon then, and so I don't think
it would surprise anybody that Trump might have a little
bit of a locker room sense of humor back for
much of his life. I mean, that's been well chronicled.
I'm just kind of surprised that they chose even to
run that story.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Well, three things involved here. Number One, you're correct, it
is not a news story on its own. What the
press is trying to do is link Trump to Epstein
in doing bad things. That's what this is all about.
That's what the Trump That's why President Trump should stay
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away from this one hundred percent. What the dishonest, corrupt,
corporate media in America is trying to do is convince
Americans that Donald Trump had access to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes
and may have participated. That's what the press wants Americans
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to believe. So any linkage between Trump and Epstein is
going to be blown up. This is a very simple story.
A forensic can make a determination on whether that card
is in Trump's hand or not. Trump says he didn't
do it and files suit two days later. Two days
two days. I mean, come on, that looks like a
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pretty aggressive action to me. And if the nannel is wrong, yes,
this is an important point. If a Wall Street Journal
published the story using a bogus birthday card, that's not real.
It was a fraud. The whole thing collapses, not only
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to Wall Street Journal, Fox News, everything else done. That's
how big this story is.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Let me ask you the last question here. You mentioned
that you talked to President Trump earlier, not asking for
particulars of the conversation. How would you assess his overall
vibe and demeanor as you just talked to him today,
compared to so far in this term and also compared
to last term. How comfortable, how confident did you find
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him to be?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
He's tired, and he's tired because this kind of stuff
wears you down, and he believes that he's doing an
excellent job for the country. Last night, they had a
great deal with Japan announced by Trump administration. Fabulous. He
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got not one second of coverage on the nightly newscast
of three of them, not a second. Epstein got ten minutes.
So Trump is furious, furious because this kind of stuff
weighs you down emotionally and mentally. Now he's the strongest
guy I know, I mean my gud. But his hand
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is well enough because he has to shake hundreds of
hands a week. I do fizz bumps because I got
to take a lot of hands too. Everybody knows me
wherever I go, but I don't shake hands, and I
tell people, look, I can't have it swollen. Hey, well
Trump's hand is bothering them. It's it's painful. Okay. So
he's going over to Scotland, Hawaii, play some golf over there,
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get some you know, cooler temperatures. And I was asking him,
I said, look, you know you're only a person because
I know him so long, and I said, you know,
you gotta be a little You got to carry yourself
here physically and everything.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
You got it.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And that's why my advice, and I hope it takes it.
Don't acknowledge this Epstein thing at all. Let the Justice
Department handle it. And that's that.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
O'Reilly fantastic as always, the book coming out is Confronting Evil,
assessing the worst of the worst. It will be out
September ninth. We look forward to talking to you again.
You can also check them out at Bill O'Reilly dot
com read his columns there.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Appreciate you, sir.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
All right, Clay, one more thing, we just passed a
million subscribers on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
That's important three months.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And it's YouTube dot com slash Bill O'Reilly and it's
totally different than what we do on our television broadcast.
So I appreciate you having me on. Tell well, Buck,
I think he's faking it. Okay, I'm faking it all right,
But I'll be listening on Monday when you guys get
together again.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
We now have been joined by Senator Ran Paul who
is with us, and Senator appreciate you joining us. I'll
just ask the big question right off the top. You
got Tulci Gabbard coming out with Russia Gate. You have
been documents that seem to show that the truth was
known and not shared with the American public as it
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pertains to Russia's involvement in the twenty sixteen election. You
have been trying to hold doctor Anthony Fauci accountable for
a very long time over the lies that I think
we believe he told under oath relating to COVID and
American gain a function research and all these things. I
would say the number one question that Buck and I
get on a regular basis is we see all the evidence.
(15:58):
We believe that there is ample evidence there for charges
to be brought. Yet all of these people in positions
of power never have charges brought against him. They can
find anybody who walked into the Capitol on January sixth
and arrest them and throw the book at them. But
if you're super powerful and you're on the left side
of the political equation, nothing ever happens to you, will anything.
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Are you as frustrated as our average listener would be
over this?
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yes, And you know I sense the frustration, and I
see some of the responses on our social media. What
are you going to do? When are you going to
arrest Bauci? People do have to realize I have no
ability to arrest anyone, but the Department of Justice does,
and I've done everything I can. I referred Fauci twice
under Biden, I presumed they would ignore it, but now
(16:45):
I referred him most recently just in the last week
to the Trump Department of Justice, and there needs to
be a hue and cry that he needs to be prosecuted.
I think he clearly lied to Congress. The other thing
is is it would bring up his pardon, and then
I think in court we need to have a test
case to see if a auto pen signature is a
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valid pardon. I think there would be then in court
the discussion of who ran the auto pen, who gave
them the orders? You know, I think so far we
know the person running the auto pen says some guy
that worked for Joe Biden told him to do it,
and so ultimately you'd have to have the test You could, essentially,
I think, bring in the testimony of ultimately either the
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the you know, the President's wife or the president. It'd
be hard to get them into court, but this would
be a test case of whether that parton holds.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Senator Paul always appreciate you being with us. I want
to ask you about the FED one. I know I
think you want to get more of a look into
the books at the FED, but can you also speak
to the what is it a two billion dollar renovation
that the Federal Reserves Washington, d C headquarters has gotten.
You know, I know in d C money has a
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whole different meaning or lack of meaning depending, but two
billion dollars for renal, that's pretty pricey stuff. What's going on?
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Well, you know, the Federal Reserve doesn't even have congressional
oversight as far as the power of the purse. They
just printed up. They've got their own printing press, and
they spend whatever they feel like spending. And so they
started out at one point nine billion, and they're six
hundred billion over they're so up to two point five billion,
they're six hundred thousand dollars worth, a thirty three percent
increase in over over the original estimate. But you know,
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you want to talk about real money. The thing the
Federal Reserve is doing right now that offends me more
than anything else is they're paying big banks in New
York and around the world not to loan money. It's
a program that started in two thousand and nine. They
were paying banks I got a quarter of a point
or half a point not to loan money, and it
was it was money, but it wasn't huge amounts. Now
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they're paying the four point four percent as of about
a week or two ago, and that one point four
percent equals one hundred and eighty eight billion dollars, and
forty percent of that money is going to foreign banks.
So it's not only the Federal Reserve, you know, holds
the American debt, So we have to raise taxes to
pay the Federal Reserve interest. They get our interest. Then
they're paying our interest back to big banks to tell
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them not to loan money. It's the craziest scam you've
ever heard of, but it's real money now. And you know,
there's nothing that unites the right and the left. It's
when taxpayer money or government controlled money like this is
going from the regular middle class to the very wealthy elite,
not only of our country, but of the world.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
We're talking to Center Rampaul of Kentucky. What did you
think of Andy Basheer's Vogue photoshoot?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
You know, I think he's running for Secretary of Transportation.
I think he really wants to be the next beat
Boodhaj Edge, so I think he's got a great shot
at it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I couldn't believe I was looking at these photos and
I just thought to myself, who in Kentucky is thinking.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Hey, you know, I really want to see a.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Vogue photoshoot of the governor and I when I saw this,
I was like, oh, I bet because I remember you
came on with this last time, said he's going to
try to run for president. But I just look at
this guy. He's one of the worst governors out there.
To do that, to sign off on the Vogue photoshoot,
I couldn't believe it was real.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Well, here's the real question. Did Vogue actually ask him
about vetoing a bill that would have stopped sex change
surgeries for miners? So our Republican legislature put for him
a bill to no longer have miners not allow miners
to make a decision to have this permanent surgery, and
he vetoed it, so our Republican legislature and of him
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promptly overrode him. But this guy is not part of
the mainstream. He's part of the extreme left, and he
got lucky somehow to win in our state. But there's
nothing about him that is moderate. He is as progressive
as the day is long.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Senator Paul something that's gotten a bit of attention today.
It has to do with the president's ability to get
his appointees in place, particularly on the judiciary side, and
when it comes to US attorneys, as the Trump administration
appointed Alena Habba, one of Trump's lawyers, to be the
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US attorney in New Jersey. A US attorney in New Jersey,
judges there decided Democrat appointed judges no shock to anyone
that she was unacceptable and they just picked someone else.
Now that I understand is getting a bit specific into
what's going on in New Jersey. But how is it
going with Senate confirmation of various appointees and specifically for
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judicial nominees, because that's such a critical thing to be
functioning efficiently. And I am hearing some complaints from people
who well work right near you on Capitol Hill about
Senate Leader thun and not getting this thing done with
the efficiency and you know, absolute sense of urgency that
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it needs to be done.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
You know. The good news is is that we've actually
approved twice as many as we had in twenty seventeen
when Trump won in twenty seventeen. By this time in
the summer of that first year, we had approved about
fifty five I think we're up over one hundred and ten.
So it's a slow, laborious process, and the Democrats are
worse than they've ever been in the sense that it
typically and historically, the leadership would sit down from each
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party at the end of the week, they'd agree to
a list of ten or fifteen that pass them all
together in one group by voice vote. None of that
happens anymore. So we have like fifteen hundred Trump appointees
and we've got to vote on them one at a time.
Most of them we have to wait two hours we
vote to get onto the bill to vote for them,
and then two hours later to confirm them. So it's laborious.
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But the good news is we've done twice as many
as we did in twenty seventeen. So I think given
the Democrats opposition and obstruction, I think we're doing pretty well.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
What should happen with the Russia Gate. We've got Tulca
Gabbert having a press conference right now. You went through
all of this in the attempt to delegitimize Trump's election
in twenty sixteen. I said on the air, I actually
think the twenty twenty actions that were done to try
to argue from the fifty one intelligence agents, the Hunter
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Biden laptop, not releasing the fact that maybe we thought
back then, hey, we've got a successful vaccine. There were
a lot of things that could have been out publicly
that could have swung this election a big way. I
think twenty twenty was rigged substantially. But what should happen
associated with twenty sixteen in your mind, both practically and
if you had an ideal world, right, because there's the
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reality of what can happen and what should happen, how
would you distinguish between those two?
Speaker 4 (23:45):
You know, I always look at things in general terms.
I'm horrified by what they did to Donald Trump, and
it should make everyone mad. But I'm also concerned about average,
ordinary Americans and what they can do, and what this
power means could be done to average ordinary Americans. So
I'm partaking that power away. You know, some people want
Brennan in jail, they want Obama in jail. Those things
are unlikely to happen. But the one thing we could
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do is the Congresses take power away from the intelligence agencies.
They should not have this much power. I have always
thought from the beginning. I've said it publicly. I believe
that Brennan called a foreign governments and used their intelligence
agencies to spy on the Trump campaign. You remember these
random meetings in the bar with different Trump campaign officials.
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I don't believe they were random. I think they were planned,
and I think because it's illegal for our CIA to
investigate Americans, much less americans involved in politics, I think
they got our allies in on it, and I think
there is a bit a massive cover up from the
very beginning on this. I do think what she's pointing out,
what Telsea Glbert has said, is incredibly important. The assessment
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by all of the intelligence agencies after twenty sixteen is
that the Russians, like they always do, tried to make
with our elections, but that it was ineffectual. It was tiny,
it was minute, It was some Facebook ads and did
not affect the outcome. That was the conclusion. But then
that conclusion was vetoed by Brennan and high ranking people
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because they chose to create a narrative that the election
was stolen, that the election was illegitimate. Hillary Clinton said it,
Jimmy Carter said it, All the leading Democrats said that
Trump was an illegitimate president. And what they did is
They then ceded information throughout all of the government to
try to start this narrative that there was a Russian collusion.
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One of the most bizarre parts of this is the
Hillary Clinton campaign pays for the Steele dossier that has
this so called incriminating information and if they give it
to our government, but then they also send Steel to Halifax,
Nova Scotia to meet John McCain and secretly give him
the file as well. He comes back to Washington, takes
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the bate, is all hysterical, and then gives it back
to government. But that's where it started, so the government
commissioned Steel to go back. It starts with the Clinton campaign.
This Christopher Steele, a former spy, collects all this nonsense,
puts it in the folder, gives it to John McCain,
who breathlessly races back to Washington to help get the
thing started. But this was a big psy ops. This
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was a big operation by intelligence community, and of course
it was illegal. And I'm proud of Telsea Gabbard for
getting to the bottom and I hope she continues to
overturn and expose this corruption.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Transparency is incredibly important on this, So Senator Paul, we
agree with you wholeheartedly on that. Do you think it
is feasible, not even likely, but feasible that anybody could
be put in handcuffs based on what they did with
Russia collusion.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
You know, they'll all tell a different tale, and you know,
changing an intelligence report, they'll say they got other information.
It's going to be hard, but anybody in jail on
on that. But the main thing I always look for
in this is trying to fix the system so it
doesn't happen again. So what we should conclude from this
is intelligence agencies have the power to destroy individuals, and
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so there needs to be more checks and balances and
less ability of an intelligence agency to investigate Americans. This
goes along with the FISA database that they have, which
a lot of Americans are sucked up into the system.
It goes along with that Quiet Sky's program where they
were spying on Tulsa Gabbard when she was on planes.
There's so much abuse and nobody in Congress knows anything
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about what the intelligence agencies do other than to the
Intelligence Committee in the Senate and the House, and they
silo off the information and they try to prevent any
other members from knowing exactly what they're doing. Their budgets
are secret. It's very like pulling teeth to get any
kind of look at any of their budgets. So, yeah,
there's too much power. And we went through this after
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JEdgar Hoover, and he was using the hour of the
office to blackmail people. He was using the power of
the office to illegally aspire people. And there were big
reforms in the seventies. But since the nineteen seventies, the
reforms that weren't off and the intelligence agencies have grown
too strong again. What they did to Donald Trump should
be a call, a clarion call for US to reform
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them and strip back their power.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Senter Ram Paul, appreciate you making time for us, Sir.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
On the real ID, Clay, I got to tell you,
if you stand in the line to get the chip
put in, they can insert that chip in no time
at all, and there's no line.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I don't even know what that means. I feel like
this is a joke.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
You're so dead painting it there that I was like, yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
It is, you get an either line, But no, it
took me three months to get the damn real ID,
and they kept refusing to give it to me because
some of my documents said Randall and not rand and
they weren't sure I was who I was presenting myself
to be.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
I this drives me.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
You go in and out of Nashville like I do,
because you live in Kentucky. But this drives me absolutely bonkers.
Appreciate the time.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Hate it.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
I hate it. I hate it, and we fought it
for years and years of Kentucky. And finally they take
away your right to travel. Apparently the right to travel
is a privileged and you can only travel under the
government auspices. It's a step in the wrong direction.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Amen.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
All right, Senator Paul, thank you so much. Play also
that dead pen when I had no idea that was
a job.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Well, he got me. He's such a serious guy.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Usually he really got me because I was getting ready
for you to read, and I was like an implant.
That was well played by Senator Paul. The Team forty
seven podcast is sponsored by.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Good Ranchers Making the American Farm Strong Again. You're listening
to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
We're headed up to DC now. Senator Sullivan of Alaska
is going to join us. Talk about the Big Beautiful
Bill Also, I would imagine Senator you are eager to
get back to Alaska so and start talking with everyone
there about the impact of the Big Beautiful Bill on
many different fronts, including energy. What's the difference between what
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the Trump administration is allowing your state of Alaska to
do with all the natural resources there compared to what
the Biden administration was doing for your state.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
What is the impact, Jeez, clay Buck, that is the
greatest question.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Great to be.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Back on your show, and that's the key question, and
it's a one hundred and ten percent difference. The Democrats
want to shut down Alaska. I want to shut down
American energy. President Trump and his team want to unleash
it and they're doing it everywhere. This Big Beautiful Bill
does it, especially with regard to Alaska. But look to
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be more specific, during the four years of the Biden administration,
Alaskan's not this. We suffered through seventy that's seven zero
executive orders and executive action singularly focused, exclusively focused on
shutting down Alaska's resource development economy, and the President and
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his team are one hundred and ten percent opposite. That's
great for America, great for Alaska and really great for
American workers.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Senator, I appreciate you being with us. What's going on
in the Senate right now. You guys still have some
time left here. You're about to go on recess. I
hear Schumer is up to Schumer shenanigans and blocking judges
and causing some problems for you guys. Bring us up
to speed with the business of the Senate as it
stands right now.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
Yeah, look, Buck, we had a really very productive first
six months with the President. I would say historic, and
you guys mentioned it. I'm getting ready to go home
and really really sell this one big, beautiful build. I
don't think there's any state that fared better than Alaska,
particularly to their earlier questions on the American energy components.
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A huge part of this bill is unlocking American energy,
and most of the bill is unlocking Alaska. You know,
American energy dominance runs through my great states. So I'm
anxious to get home to make the pitch to so
many Alaskans where they have a much better understanding how
this helps working families, our economy, our military, our Coastguard.
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Is a home run. But for your question, Schumer, you know, look,
the guy is so afraid of his left wing right.
Every day he wakes up scared to death that AOC
is going to primary him. So he is trying to
fight supposedly anything that we're trying to get done to
move forward with our government, certainly on legislation, but on nominees,
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on basic you know, under secretary's assistant secretaries, people who
run our government, he blocks every way they can to
get their Senate confirmation. So we're going to start just
jamming down on these guys. We just had a meeting
of all our Senate Republican colleagues saying, hey, we need
to go morning, noon, and night to start getting the
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president's nominees across the board. We've gotten zero cooperation from Schumer.
And usually you guys on the lower level nominees, if
it's an assistance secretary, you kind of put it in
a package to move something forward with several nominees. That's
very normal. We did it with Biden, they did it previously.
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Schumer's not doing that. This is the most obstruction we've
seen from any Senate Minority leader on another administration's nominees,
literally since Herbert Hoover. The guy won't help us at all.
So we're gonna start jamming down on him.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
We're talking to Senator Dan Sullivan of Alaska. One of
the things that obviously is going to be a huge
topic of discussion next year is the House. And I
think we talked about this with you before, but the
rank choice voting in Alaska seems to me to be
a complete mess.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
What is the latest on that.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Do you agree that it's a mess, and what are
Alaskans thinking after they were kind of I think bamboozled
into the idea in the first place.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Well, look, it's still on the ballot in Alaska, and
there's an outside group that put it on the ballot
a statewide initiative in twenty twenty The Republicans fought it.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I fought it.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
We tried to get it removed in twenty twenty four.
By the way, both times it passed with less than
one percent of the vote, And were the groups against
it Republicans myself, we are outspent. It's unbelievable, I don't know,
twelve thirteen million by the outside group's four ranked choice
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voting versus eighty thousand by the Republican Party. It's very confusing,
and it can be really, really manipulated, and the Democrats,
in my view, particularly Schumer, who's already been you know,
I'm up for reelection this cycle as well. We have
a Congressman Nick Vegas's doing a great job, but we'll
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have to run against that and look the best way.
Even with a system like that which we don't like.
I don't like, it's confusing, it can be manipulated. Alaskans
are still confused by it. Is to show what we're
getting done, and again, I want to come back to
this one big, beautiful bill for Alaska. This bill, across
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every element of policy in our economy, is really really strong,
and what we're going to do is run on our record,
and I think for Alaska, this bill, particularly as it
relates to jobs in our economy and the working class,
is a home run.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
One of the most important changes that Trump administration could
see through here from where things were under four years
of Biden. On the issue of energy, I mean, obviously
Alaska very important energy production state. Affects your economy, It
really affects America in the global economy too.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
You guys have a lot of stuff up there.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
What needs to happen or what are some of the
concrete things that Trump can do so that we take drill,
baby drill to the next level.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Yeah, well, we've done it in this bill, and the
President did it literally day one. You guys might recall
one of the president's first executive orders about a couple
hours after he was inaugurated, was this executive Order on
Unleashing Alaska's Extraordinary Resource Potential. I work directly with the
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President and his team on this to unleash Alaska where
the only state in the country that has our own
executive order. So what that executive order did was it said, hey,
we're going to reverse pretty much all the seventy executive
orders that Biden issued to shut down a lab. So
that was good, but the Big Beautiful Bill is even
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better because what we did is that we put a
lot of those reversals into law, and that's just obviously
much stronger in terms of what you know, God forbid,
we have a Democrat administration four years from now. I
certainly hope we don't, but if that administration tries to
come in and shut down Alaska, they're not going to
be able to do it because let me give you
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a couple examples on the one Big Beautiful Bill, we
open the Anwar, the National Patrolum Reserve of Alaska, the
cook Inlet Region. These are all federal lands that have
huge resources, and we mandate in this bill regular lease
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sales that Biden would never do, that Democrats would never
do in the law. So it says, hey, energy companies
can come up, they get regular lea sales on all
of these really really important federal land. As you guys mentioned,
Alaska has so much oil and gas, so many critical minerals.
And then really importantly, we got a permitting reform provision
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in the One Big Beautiful Bill that will help expedite
the permitting of these projects. One of our greatest challenges
the Dems love to abuse it is, you know, having
a permitting system. It takes ten to fifteen to twenty
years to permit a resource development project. That kills our competitiveness.
It's really hard for long term investors to invest in
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Alaska when they have these permitting issues. And we got
permitting reform done in this One Big Beautiful Bill as
well to expedite these projects, get them online quickly. That's
a part of the bill. It hasn't got a lot
of attention. Great for Alaska, Great for America. So if
you can get it in the law, which is what
we did on energy in this bill, it's even better
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than the executive order that the President issued, which we
are really appreciative of. So it's the combo of both.
And he's got a great energy team, a bunch of
his cabinet. We're just up in Alaska recently. I hosted
them all over the state. It's going to be very
exciting times for Alaska and resource development. By the way,
we'd love to have you guys, Clay buck up up
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to our state. We can do a program from Alaska.
I think I talked about that last time I was
on it.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
I can we get as long as we get it, yeah,
I was as long as we can get Clay close
to some grizzly bears, He's going to be excited. He
likes to get real close though, Senator, you know he
wants to see them.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
Clay, I will bring you close, man. There's great fishing
going on in our great state right now. It's just
it's the place to be. But we really didn't do that.
Remember last time, last time I was on the show,
we talked about you guys all coming up. You got
a lot of listeners in Alaska, huge fans, and we
can do it. You guys would have a ball.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
I am sold on this idea.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
In fact, I was talking to my wife downstairs right
but during the last commercial breaks, she was like, Hey,
what you got going on. I said, hey, we've got
one of the senators from Alaska going. Neither she nor
I have ever been to Alaska. It is on the
top of the list. And she said, well, we've got
to go up to Alaska. So I know we have
some good affiliates up there. You guys can reach out.
Let's see if we can get this set up. I
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want to make the trip. I've been wanting to visit
for a long time, Senator, So maybe we can get
this thing worked out where we can come up and
do broadcast, or one of us can at least, and
that would be me, and we'll see whether Buck can
make it too.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
But you come up with your wife, Buck, you come
up with your family, and here's what we'll do. We'll
do the one Big Beautiful Bill tour, because look, there
is so many good things in this bill for the country,
but for the great state of Alaska. I could do
a program with you guys for three hours. And what
we're trying to do. Now you know the way the
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Democrats work. Schumer has spent his far left dark money groups.
They've spent I mean believe or not, up close to
two million bucks running negative ads against me and this
bill and how it's horrible.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
It's not.
Speaker 6 (41:03):
They're all false as So what we're doing is we're
trying to make the case all over the state. But heck,
we could do a one big, beautiful clay Buck tour.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
And I don't hate I don't hate this idea at allSome.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
And I'm telling you, man, you guys would love it.
Bring your family, we'd have a blast, and we'd we'd
get the word out right because people want to.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Hear the truth.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
I love this.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
We'll talk about Bucks got a three month old, so
traveling all the way from Miami to Alaska a bit
of a trip, so he might not be able to
do it, but we will. I want to come up there,
and we'll come up for the show for sure, and
and help you out with this process. And and Loocier
Greg is making fun of me and saying maybe I
could swim from Alaska to Russia, because I said I
could swim from Alcatraz to the sat.
Speaker 5 (41:47):
That's after you do the Alcatraz swim. The bearing straight
swim is the that's the pro or challenging.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Senator. We appreciate the time.
Speaker 6 (41:55):
Okay, guys, good to be back on the show and
thanks for your great work.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
Thank you appreciate. I will say clay Alaska in the summer,
which is when I went there. Maybe yeah, I went
Keenai Peninsula fishing with my dad and my brothers. One
of the most in terms of natural beauty, one of
the most beautiful places I've ever seen. I mean, if
you like the cold, crisp weather beauty, it's it's amazing.
The Team forty seven podcast is sponsored by Good Ranchers
Making the American Farm Strong Again. Team forty seven with
Clay and Buck starts now we're joined now by Bill O'Reilly.
In terms of icon you spent a lot of time
talking about celebrities and impact and the legacy of fame
(00:25):
and all of these I think just tremendously generational and
timeless analyzes. Where would you put Hulk Hogan on the
list of true American original celebrities in that context for
which you have spent much of your career writing about.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I interviewed Hogan back when he was probably the top
wage earner in the wrestling business, and I think he's
the most famous wrestler ever. I mean, you don't get
more iconic in that industry than that. But what is
historical importance is is that he destroyed that smear website
(01:10):
which was damaging Walker.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
He took down and.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I admired that because that was the worst. I mean,
there are a lot of bad websites now, a lot
nothing like that, and he took them down single handedly.
It was all him, and that's what I will remember
him for as a journalist the wrestling industry. Okay, you know.
(01:42):
But what he did was he sent a message that
there is a limit to how much you can hurt
people using a website or a company, and that was
very important for this country.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You are writing about out right now evil in particular
Confronting Evil, Assessing the.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Worst of the Worst.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That book is going to come out September ninth, very soon. Yesterday,
and we didn't talk about it a ton on the show,
but yesterday Brian Koberger was confronted by the family and
friends of the four young people that he murdered in
cold blood in Idaho. What did you think as you
watched that in terms of evil and the fact that
(02:33):
he just basically has declined to say anything about the
crimes that he is committing. That the plea that he
has entered into is going to save him from the
death penalty, but means I'll have to spend the rest
of his life in prison.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
That is singular evil, individual evil, and it's fainous, but
it's been in humankind forever. It is a planet, and
Neanderthals walked it. It has always been here. Singular evil.
What I write about in Confronting evil as collective evil,
(03:10):
where you have fifteen people that we spotlight inside the
book that achieved enormous power, and they did so in
a variety of ways. But everyone knew they were evil.
It wasn't like a debate about it. And yet they
were able in their situations the Ayahtola and Iran Hitler
(03:34):
in Germany, Stalin and Putin in Russia. They were able
to get to a position where they killed millions and
millions of people untold suffering. That was my fascination. Now
I've covered a lot of stories of my fifty years
in journalism and a lot of heinous serial killers. I
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chased Ted Bundy from coast to coast right he was
one of the worst ever. And my opinion on it
is very simple. These are psychotic people. There's psychopaths, and
they will commit as much damage as they can. They
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are evil, and society is an obligation to punish them
as much as possible. But it's not at the level
of what I'm writing about in my upcoming book.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
We're talking with Bill O'Reilly.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
We open the show talking about the revelations from Tulsea
Gabbard surrounding the twenty sixteen election and what the intelligence
agencies knew and what they said publicly, What do you
think the significance of that story is and playing it forward,
what will the consequences be, if any legally in your
(04:54):
mind going forward from the revelations she just shared, Well.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Brennan has definite criminal potential. The former CIA chief under Obama,
the guy according to the House report. Remember this is
the House Intelligence Committee, two years after the Senate issure.
There's a lot of new information there, and it was
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chaired by Schiff to the Democratic majority on this committee.
They concluded that at least three times that Brennan knew
the information that he was using to get warrants to
do other things to damage the Trump administration was false.
(05:41):
So if I'm Brennan right now, I'm coman for the
best lawyer I can find. That looks like a slam
dunk case. To me, that looks like prison time. To
make the others a little murky, I mean, I know
the right wing people are jumping up and down, going, oh,
they're going to indict Barack Obama. They're not. That would
be impossible. It's not going to happen. So if you
(06:03):
want to run around thinking that, fine, but it's not
in the real world. Call me that THEI Chief now there,
You'd have to have a testimony inside the Bureau. You'd
have to have someone inside the Bureau that worked and
had access to Comy said yeah, he knew the same
thing Brandon knew, and he cooperated with the fraud. That's
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what you would need to nail Comy in front of
a federal grand jury. They may be able to get that.
The current Justice Department may be able to get that.
And so whenever these stories break, I always tell my
listeners and viewers that you have to live in the
real world. Supreme Court is rule clearly in Donald Trump's
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case in the January sixth that he had the right
as president to say and do what he felt was necessary.
Barack Obama's going to fall right under that category unless
you have Michelle Obama saying, hey, you know, he knew
it was a fake. I don't think you're going to
(07:11):
get it, but you know who knows.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
We're talking to Bill O'Reilly got a new book coming
out about Confronting Evil. September ninth, What would you tell
President Trump he should do about the Epstein revelations and
the ongoing story there if he asked you for advice
your advice would.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Be what well, they asked me this morning. Oh okay,
about four hours ago, I got a call up from
the President and I you know, I don't report word
for word, but I'll tell you generally my feeling about it. Okay.
So I don't think that President Trump should answer any
(07:52):
questions about Epstein. He should defer to the Justice Department.
I would not, as president, allow myself to be besieged
by this story. It is a legitimate story in the
sense that there are millions of Americans, not just liberal
people but conservative as well, who believe the fix is
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in at the federal level, and if you're rich and powerful,
you're going to be protected, even if you're a criminal.
That is a common belief in America. That makes the
story valid. So what I would do would be have
one spokesperson designated by the Justice Department to deal with
this situation and to tell the American people, here's what
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we are doing. If you read the Wall Street General
report yesterday, it said clearly that in the information compiled
by the federal government about Jeffrey Epstein, there are literally
hundreds of names in that information, hundreds guys that delivered
(08:54):
the bagels. You know all it else. Ye, So these
people screaming you got to put it all out. That
would be billions of dollars in lawsuits if the Justice
Department were to do that, billions Because if your name
is associated with Jeffrey Epstein's name in any capacity, you're
going to be harmed. There's not going to be contact
(09:16):
applied to it by anybody. And so your name pops
up alongside Jeffrey Epstein, whoever doesn't like you is going
to use that to hurt you. And so the Justice
Department cannot do that is impossible. And also in the
Journal article, and remember the Journal article, the Journal is
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going after Trump. They want to hurt Trump, that newspaper,
which is going to be catastrophic for the Murdoch family
in Fox News down the road. Also in that article
is no one is currently under federal investigation in this case.
No one. Now, the Wall Street Journal is usually pretty
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accurate in this report, Taj, I don't know about this
birthday card business.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Were you stunned by the way?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Let me ask you about that, because to me, from
a news perspective, I think you first have to ask
yourself the question.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
We're talking to Bill O'Reilly is this news?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And then secondarily you ask, okay, is it relevant news.
I don't even get to the second question, because Trump
doing even if he did it a body birthday card
twenty some odd years ago for Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
To me, isn't news.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Epstein wasn't a felon then, and so I don't think
it would surprise anybody that Trump might have a little
bit of a locker room sense of humor back for
much of his life. I mean, that's been well chronicled.
I'm just kind of surprised that they chose even to
run that story.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Well, three things involved here. Number One, you're correct, it
is not a news story on its own. What the
press is trying to do is link Trump to Epstein
in doing bad things. That's what this is all about.
That's what the Trump That's why President Trump should stay
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away from this one hundred percent. What the dishonest, corrupt,
corporate media in America is trying to do is convince
Americans that Donald Trump had access to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes
and may have participated. That's what the press wants Americans
(11:34):
to believe. So any linkage between Trump and Epstein is
going to be blown up. This is a very simple story.
A forensic can make a determination on whether that card
is in Trump's hand or not. Trump says he didn't
do it and files suit two days later. Two days
two days. I mean, come on, that looks like a
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pretty aggressive action to me. And if the nannel is wrong, yes,
this is an important point. If a Wall Street Journal
published the story using a bogus birthday card, that's not real.
It was a fraud. The whole thing collapses, not only
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to Wall Street Journal, Fox News, everything else done. That's
how big this story is.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Let me ask you the last question here. You mentioned
that you talked to President Trump earlier, not asking for
particulars of the conversation. How would you assess his overall
vibe and demeanor as you just talked to him today,
compared to so far in this term and also compared
to last term. How comfortable, how confident did you find
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him to be?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
He's tired, and he's tired because this kind of stuff
wears you down, and he believes that he's doing an
excellent job for the country. Last night, they had a
great deal with Japan announced by Trump administration. Fabulous. He
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got not one second of coverage on the nightly newscast
of three of them, not a second. Epstein got ten minutes.
So Trump is furious, furious because this kind of stuff
weighs you down emotionally and mentally. Now he's the strongest
guy I know, I mean my gud. But his hand
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is well enough because he has to shake hundreds of
hands a week. I do fizz bumps because I got
to take a lot of hands too. Everybody knows me
wherever I go, but I don't shake hands, and I
tell people, look, I can't have it swollen. Hey, well
Trump's hand is bothering them. It's it's painful. Okay. So
he's going over to Scotland, Hawaii, play some golf over there,
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get some you know, cooler temperatures. And I was asking him,
I said, look, you know you're only a person because
I know him so long, and I said, you know,
you gotta be a little You got to carry yourself
here physically and everything.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
You got it.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And that's why my advice, and I hope it takes it.
Don't acknowledge this Epstein thing at all. Let the Justice
Department handle it. And that's that.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
O'Reilly fantastic as always, the book coming out is Confronting Evil,
assessing the worst of the worst. It will be out
September ninth. We look forward to talking to you again.
You can also check them out at Bill O'Reilly dot
com read his columns there.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Appreciate you, sir.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
All right, Clay, one more thing, we just passed a
million subscribers on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
That's important three months.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And it's YouTube dot com slash Bill O'Reilly and it's
totally different than what we do on our television broadcast.
So I appreciate you having me on. Tell well, Buck,
I think he's faking it. Okay, I'm faking it all right,
But I'll be listening on Monday when you guys get
together again.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
We now have been joined by Senator Ran Paul who
is with us, and Senator appreciate you joining us. I'll
just ask the big question right off the top. You
got Tulci Gabbard coming out with Russia Gate. You have
been documents that seem to show that the truth was
known and not shared with the American public as it
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pertains to Russia's involvement in the twenty sixteen election. You
have been trying to hold doctor Anthony Fauci accountable for
a very long time over the lies that I think
we believe he told under oath relating to COVID and
American gain a function research and all these things. I
would say the number one question that Buck and I
get on a regular basis is we see all the evidence.
(15:58):
We believe that there is ample evidence there for charges
to be brought. Yet all of these people in positions
of power never have charges brought against him. They can
find anybody who walked into the Capitol on January sixth
and arrest them and throw the book at them. But
if you're super powerful and you're on the left side
of the political equation, nothing ever happens to you, will anything.
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Are you as frustrated as our average listener would be
over this?
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yes, And you know I sense the frustration, and I
see some of the responses on our social media. What
are you going to do? When are you going to
arrest Bauci? People do have to realize I have no
ability to arrest anyone, but the Department of Justice does,
and I've done everything I can. I referred Fauci twice
under Biden, I presumed they would ignore it, but now
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I referred him most recently just in the last week
to the Trump Department of Justice, and there needs to
be a hue and cry that he needs to be prosecuted.
I think he clearly lied to Congress. The other thing
is is it would bring up his pardon, and then
I think in court we need to have a test
case to see if a auto pen signature is a
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valid pardon. I think there would be then in court
the discussion of who ran the auto pen, who gave
them the orders? You know, I think so far we
know the person running the auto pen says some guy
that worked for Joe Biden told him to do it,
and so ultimately you'd have to have the test You could, essentially,
I think, bring in the testimony of ultimately either the
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the you know, the President's wife or the president. It'd
be hard to get them into court, but this would
be a test case of whether that parton holds.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Senator Paul always appreciate you being with us. I want
to ask you about the FED one. I know I
think you want to get more of a look into
the books at the FED, but can you also speak
to the what is it a two billion dollar renovation
that the Federal Reserves Washington, d C headquarters has gotten.
You know, I know in d C money has a
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whole different meaning or lack of meaning depending, but two
billion dollars for renal, that's pretty pricey stuff. What's going on?
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Well, you know, the Federal Reserve doesn't even have congressional
oversight as far as the power of the purse. They
just printed up. They've got their own printing press, and
they spend whatever they feel like spending. And so they
started out at one point nine billion, and they're six
hundred billion over they're so up to two point five billion,
they're six hundred thousand dollars worth, a thirty three percent
increase in over over the original estimate. But you know,
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you want to talk about real money. The thing the
Federal Reserve is doing right now that offends me more
than anything else is they're paying big banks in New
York and around the world not to loan money. It's
a program that started in two thousand and nine. They
were paying banks I got a quarter of a point
or half a point not to loan money, and it
was it was money, but it wasn't huge amounts. Now
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they're paying the four point four percent as of about
a week or two ago, and that one point four
percent equals one hundred and eighty eight billion dollars, and
forty percent of that money is going to foreign banks.
So it's not only the Federal Reserve, you know, holds
the American debt, So we have to raise taxes to
pay the Federal Reserve interest. They get our interest. Then
they're paying our interest back to big banks to tell
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them not to loan money. It's the craziest scam you've
ever heard of, but it's real money now. And you know,
there's nothing that unites the right and the left. It's
when taxpayer money or government controlled money like this is
going from the regular middle class to the very wealthy elite,
not only of our country, but of the world.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
We're talking to Center Rampaul of Kentucky. What did you
think of Andy Basheer's Vogue photoshoot?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
You know, I think he's running for Secretary of Transportation.
I think he really wants to be the next beat
Boodhaj Edge, so I think he's got a great shot
at it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I couldn't believe I was looking at these photos and
I just thought to myself, who in Kentucky is thinking.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Hey, you know, I really want to see a.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Vogue photoshoot of the governor and I when I saw this,
I was like, oh, I bet because I remember you
came on with this last time, said he's going to
try to run for president. But I just look at
this guy. He's one of the worst governors out there.
To do that, to sign off on the Vogue photoshoot,
I couldn't believe it was real.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Well, here's the real question. Did Vogue actually ask him
about vetoing a bill that would have stopped sex change
surgeries for miners? So our Republican legislature put for him
a bill to no longer have miners not allow miners
to make a decision to have this permanent surgery, and
he vetoed it, so our Republican legislature and of him
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promptly overrode him. But this guy is not part of
the mainstream. He's part of the extreme left, and he
got lucky somehow to win in our state. But there's
nothing about him that is moderate. He is as progressive
as the day is long.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Senator Paul something that's gotten a bit of attention today.
It has to do with the president's ability to get
his appointees in place, particularly on the judiciary side, and
when it comes to US attorneys, as the Trump administration
appointed Alena Habba, one of Trump's lawyers, to be the
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US attorney in New Jersey. A US attorney in New Jersey,
judges there decided Democrat appointed judges no shock to anyone
that she was unacceptable and they just picked someone else.
Now that I understand is getting a bit specific into
what's going on in New Jersey. But how is it
going with Senate confirmation of various appointees and specifically for
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judicial nominees, because that's such a critical thing to be
functioning efficiently. And I am hearing some complaints from people
who well work right near you on Capitol Hill about
Senate Leader thun and not getting this thing done with
the efficiency and you know, absolute sense of urgency that
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it needs to be done.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
You know. The good news is is that we've actually
approved twice as many as we had in twenty seventeen
when Trump won in twenty seventeen. By this time in
the summer of that first year, we had approved about
fifty five I think we're up over one hundred and ten.
So it's a slow, laborious process, and the Democrats are
worse than they've ever been in the sense that it
typically and historically, the leadership would sit down from each
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party at the end of the week, they'd agree to
a list of ten or fifteen that pass them all
together in one group by voice vote. None of that
happens anymore. So we have like fifteen hundred Trump appointees
and we've got to vote on them one at a time.
Most of them we have to wait two hours we
vote to get onto the bill to vote for them,
and then two hours later to confirm them. So it's laborious.
(22:46):
But the good news is we've done twice as many
as we did in twenty seventeen. So I think given
the Democrats opposition and obstruction, I think we're doing pretty well.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
What should happen with the Russia Gate. We've got Tulca
Gabbert having a press conference right now. You went through
all of this in the attempt to delegitimize Trump's election
in twenty sixteen. I said on the air, I actually
think the twenty twenty actions that were done to try
to argue from the fifty one intelligence agents, the Hunter
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Biden laptop, not releasing the fact that maybe we thought
back then, hey, we've got a successful vaccine. There were
a lot of things that could have been out publicly
that could have swung this election a big way. I
think twenty twenty was rigged substantially. But what should happen
associated with twenty sixteen in your mind, both practically and
if you had an ideal world, right, because there's the
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reality of what can happen and what should happen, how
would you distinguish between those two?
Speaker 4 (23:45):
You know, I always look at things in general terms.
I'm horrified by what they did to Donald Trump, and
it should make everyone mad. But I'm also concerned about average,
ordinary Americans and what they can do, and what this
power means could be done to average ordinary Americans. So
I'm partaking that power away. You know, some people want
Brennan in jail, they want Obama in jail. Those things
are unlikely to happen. But the one thing we could
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do is the Congresses take power away from the intelligence agencies.
They should not have this much power. I have always
thought from the beginning. I've said it publicly. I believe
that Brennan called a foreign governments and used their intelligence
agencies to spy on the Trump campaign. You remember these
random meetings in the bar with different Trump campaign officials.
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I don't believe they were random. I think they were planned,
and I think because it's illegal for our CIA to
investigate Americans, much less americans involved in politics, I think
they got our allies in on it, and I think
there is a bit a massive cover up from the
very beginning on this. I do think what she's pointing out,
what Telsea Glbert has said, is incredibly important. The assessment
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by all of the intelligence agencies after twenty sixteen is
that the Russians, like they always do, tried to make
with our elections, but that it was ineffectual. It was tiny,
it was minute, It was some Facebook ads and did
not affect the outcome. That was the conclusion. But then
that conclusion was vetoed by Brennan and high ranking people
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because they chose to create a narrative that the election
was stolen, that the election was illegitimate. Hillary Clinton said it,
Jimmy Carter said it, All the leading Democrats said that
Trump was an illegitimate president. And what they did is
They then ceded information throughout all of the government to
try to start this narrative that there was a Russian collusion.
(25:35):
One of the most bizarre parts of this is the
Hillary Clinton campaign pays for the Steele dossier that has
this so called incriminating information and if they give it
to our government, but then they also send Steel to Halifax,
Nova Scotia to meet John McCain and secretly give him
the file as well. He comes back to Washington, takes
(25:56):
the bate, is all hysterical, and then gives it back
to government. But that's where it started, so the government
commissioned Steel to go back. It starts with the Clinton campaign.
This Christopher Steele, a former spy, collects all this nonsense,
puts it in the folder, gives it to John McCain,
who breathlessly races back to Washington to help get the
thing started. But this was a big psy ops. This
(26:19):
was a big operation by intelligence community, and of course
it was illegal. And I'm proud of Telsea Gabbard for
getting to the bottom and I hope she continues to
overturn and expose this corruption.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Transparency is incredibly important on this, So Senator Paul, we
agree with you wholeheartedly on that. Do you think it
is feasible, not even likely, but feasible that anybody could
be put in handcuffs based on what they did with
Russia collusion.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
You know, they'll all tell a different tale, and you know,
changing an intelligence report, they'll say they got other information.
It's going to be hard, but anybody in jail on
on that. But the main thing I always look for
in this is trying to fix the system so it
doesn't happen again. So what we should conclude from this
is intelligence agencies have the power to destroy individuals, and
(27:13):
so there needs to be more checks and balances and
less ability of an intelligence agency to investigate Americans. This
goes along with the FISA database that they have, which
a lot of Americans are sucked up into the system.
It goes along with that Quiet Sky's program where they
were spying on Tulsa Gabbard when she was on planes.
There's so much abuse and nobody in Congress knows anything
(27:36):
about what the intelligence agencies do other than to the
Intelligence Committee in the Senate and the House, and they
silo off the information and they try to prevent any
other members from knowing exactly what they're doing. Their budgets
are secret. It's very like pulling teeth to get any
kind of look at any of their budgets. So, yeah,
there's too much power. And we went through this after
(27:57):
JEdgar Hoover, and he was using the hour of the
office to blackmail people. He was using the power of
the office to illegally aspire people. And there were big
reforms in the seventies. But since the nineteen seventies, the
reforms that weren't off and the intelligence agencies have grown
too strong again. What they did to Donald Trump should
be a call, a clarion call for US to reform
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them and strip back their power.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Senter Ram Paul, appreciate you making time for us, Sir.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
On the real ID, Clay, I got to tell you,
if you stand in the line to get the chip
put in, they can insert that chip in no time
at all, and there's no line.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I don't even know what that means. I feel like
this is a joke.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
You're so dead painting it there that I was like, yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
It is, you get an either line, But no, it
took me three months to get the damn real ID,
and they kept refusing to give it to me because
some of my documents said Randall and not rand and
they weren't sure I was who I was presenting myself
to be.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
I this drives me.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
You go in and out of Nashville like I do,
because you live in Kentucky. But this drives me absolutely bonkers.
Appreciate the time.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Hate it.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
I hate it. I hate it, and we fought it
for years and years of Kentucky. And finally they take
away your right to travel. Apparently the right to travel
is a privileged and you can only travel under the
government auspices. It's a step in the wrong direction.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Amen.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
All right, Senator Paul, thank you so much. Play also
that dead pen when I had no idea that was
a job.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Well, he got me. He's such a serious guy.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Usually he really got me because I was getting ready
for you to read, and I was like an implant.
That was well played by Senator Paul. The Team forty
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Speaker 1 (29:47):
We're headed up to DC now. Senator Sullivan of Alaska
is going to join us. Talk about the Big Beautiful
Bill Also, I would imagine Senator you are eager to
get back to Alaska so and start talking with everyone
there about the impact of the Big Beautiful Bill on
many different fronts, including energy. What's the difference between what
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the Trump administration is allowing your state of Alaska to
do with all the natural resources there compared to what
the Biden administration was doing for your state.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
What is the impact, Jeez, clay Buck, that is the
greatest question.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Great to be.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Back on your show, and that's the key question, and
it's a one hundred and ten percent difference. The Democrats
want to shut down Alaska. I want to shut down
American energy. President Trump and his team want to unleash
it and they're doing it everywhere. This Big Beautiful Bill
does it, especially with regard to Alaska. But look to
(30:49):
be more specific, during the four years of the Biden administration,
Alaskan's not this. We suffered through seventy that's seven zero
executive orders and executive action singularly focused, exclusively focused on
shutting down Alaska's resource development economy, and the President and
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his team are one hundred and ten percent opposite. That's
great for America, great for Alaska and really great for
American workers.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Senator, I appreciate you being with us. What's going on
in the Senate right now. You guys still have some
time left here. You're about to go on recess. I
hear Schumer is up to Schumer shenanigans and blocking judges
and causing some problems for you guys. Bring us up
to speed with the business of the Senate as it
stands right now.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
Yeah, look, Buck, we had a really very productive first
six months with the President. I would say historic, and
you guys mentioned it. I'm getting ready to go home
and really really sell this one big, beautiful build. I
don't think there's any state that fared better than Alaska,
particularly to their earlier questions on the American energy components.
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A huge part of this bill is unlocking American energy,
and most of the bill is unlocking Alaska. You know,
American energy dominance runs through my great states. So I'm
anxious to get home to make the pitch to so
many Alaskans where they have a much better understanding how
this helps working families, our economy, our military, our Coastguard.
(32:25):
Is a home run. But for your question, Schumer, you know, look,
the guy is so afraid of his left wing right.
Every day he wakes up scared to death that AOC
is going to primary him. So he is trying to
fight supposedly anything that we're trying to get done to
move forward with our government, certainly on legislation, but on nominees,
(32:48):
on basic you know, under secretary's assistant secretaries, people who
run our government, he blocks every way they can to
get their Senate confirmation. So we're going to start just
jamming down on these guys. We just had a meeting
of all our Senate Republican colleagues saying, hey, we need
to go morning, noon, and night to start getting the
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president's nominees across the board. We've gotten zero cooperation from Schumer.
And usually you guys on the lower level nominees, if
it's an assistance secretary, you kind of put it in
a package to move something forward with several nominees. That's
very normal. We did it with Biden, they did it previously.
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Schumer's not doing that. This is the most obstruction we've
seen from any Senate Minority leader on another administration's nominees,
literally since Herbert Hoover. The guy won't help us at all.
So we're gonna start jamming down on him.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
We're talking to Senator Dan Sullivan of Alaska. One of
the things that obviously is going to be a huge
topic of discussion next year is the House. And I
think we talked about this with you before, but the
rank choice voting in Alaska seems to me to be
a complete mess.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
What is the latest on that.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Do you agree that it's a mess, and what are
Alaskans thinking after they were kind of I think bamboozled
into the idea in the first place.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Well, look, it's still on the ballot in Alaska, and
there's an outside group that put it on the ballot
a statewide initiative in twenty twenty The Republicans fought it.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I fought it.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
We tried to get it removed in twenty twenty four.
By the way, both times it passed with less than
one percent of the vote, And were the groups against
it Republicans myself, we are outspent. It's unbelievable, I don't know,
twelve thirteen million by the outside group's four ranked choice
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voting versus eighty thousand by the Republican Party. It's very confusing,
and it can be really, really manipulated, and the Democrats,
in my view, particularly Schumer, who's already been you know,
I'm up for reelection this cycle as well. We have
a Congressman Nick Vegas's doing a great job, but we'll
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have to run against that and look the best way.
Even with a system like that which we don't like.
I don't like, it's confusing, it can be manipulated. Alaskans
are still confused by it. Is to show what we're
getting done, and again, I want to come back to
this one big, beautiful bill for Alaska. This bill, across
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every element of policy in our economy, is really really strong,
and what we're going to do is run on our record,
and I think for Alaska, this bill, particularly as it
relates to jobs in our economy and the working class,
is a home run.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
One of the most important changes that Trump administration could
see through here from where things were under four years
of Biden. On the issue of energy, I mean, obviously
Alaska very important energy production state. Affects your economy, It
really affects America in the global economy too.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
You guys have a lot of stuff up there.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
What needs to happen or what are some of the
concrete things that Trump can do so that we take drill,
baby drill to the next level.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Yeah, well, we've done it in this bill, and the
President did it literally day one. You guys might recall
one of the president's first executive orders about a couple
hours after he was inaugurated, was this executive Order on
Unleashing Alaska's Extraordinary Resource Potential. I work directly with the
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President and his team on this to unleash Alaska where
the only state in the country that has our own
executive order. So what that executive order did was it said, hey,
we're going to reverse pretty much all the seventy executive
orders that Biden issued to shut down a lab. So
that was good, but the Big Beautiful Bill is even
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better because what we did is that we put a
lot of those reversals into law, and that's just obviously
much stronger in terms of what you know, God forbid,
we have a Democrat administration four years from now. I
certainly hope we don't, but if that administration tries to
come in and shut down Alaska, they're not going to
be able to do it because let me give you
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a couple examples on the one Big Beautiful Bill, we
open the Anwar, the National Patrolum Reserve of Alaska, the
cook Inlet Region. These are all federal lands that have
huge resources, and we mandate in this bill regular lease
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sales that Biden would never do, that Democrats would never
do in the law. So it says, hey, energy companies
can come up, they get regular lea sales on all
of these really really important federal land. As you guys mentioned,
Alaska has so much oil and gas, so many critical minerals.
And then really importantly, we got a permitting reform provision
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in the One Big Beautiful Bill that will help expedite
the permitting of these projects. One of our greatest challenges
the Dems love to abuse it is, you know, having
a permitting system. It takes ten to fifteen to twenty
years to permit a resource development project. That kills our competitiveness.
It's really hard for long term investors to invest in
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Alaska when they have these permitting issues. And we got
permitting reform done in this One Big Beautiful Bill as
well to expedite these projects, get them online quickly. That's
a part of the bill. It hasn't got a lot
of attention. Great for Alaska, Great for America. So if
you can get it in the law, which is what
we did on energy in this bill, it's even better
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than the executive order that the President issued, which we
are really appreciative of. So it's the combo of both.
And he's got a great energy team, a bunch of
his cabinet. We're just up in Alaska recently. I hosted
them all over the state. It's going to be very
exciting times for Alaska and resource development. By the way,
we'd love to have you guys, Clay buck up up
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to our state. We can do a program from Alaska.
I think I talked about that last time I was
on it.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
I can we get as long as we get it, yeah,
I was as long as we can get Clay close
to some grizzly bears, He's going to be excited. He
likes to get real close though, Senator, you know he
wants to see them.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
Clay, I will bring you close, man. There's great fishing
going on in our great state right now. It's just
it's the place to be. But we really didn't do that.
Remember last time, last time I was on the show,
we talked about you guys all coming up. You got
a lot of listeners in Alaska, huge fans, and we
can do it. You guys would have a ball.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
I am sold on this idea.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
In fact, I was talking to my wife downstairs right
but during the last commercial breaks, she was like, Hey,
what you got going on. I said, hey, we've got
one of the senators from Alaska going. Neither she nor
I have ever been to Alaska. It is on the
top of the list. And she said, well, we've got
to go up to Alaska. So I know we have
some good affiliates up there. You guys can reach out.
Let's see if we can get this set up. I
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want to make the trip. I've been wanting to visit
for a long time, Senator, So maybe we can get
this thing worked out where we can come up and
do broadcast, or one of us can at least, and
that would be me, and we'll see whether Buck can
make it too.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
But you come up with your wife, Buck, you come
up with your family, and here's what we'll do. We'll
do the one Big Beautiful Bill tour, because look, there
is so many good things in this bill for the country,
but for the great state of Alaska. I could do
a program with you guys for three hours. And what
we're trying to do. Now you know the way the
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Democrats work. Schumer has spent his far left dark money groups.
They've spent I mean believe or not, up close to
two million bucks running negative ads against me and this
bill and how it's horrible.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
It's not.
Speaker 6 (41:03):
They're all false as So what we're doing is we're
trying to make the case all over the state. But heck,
we could do a one big, beautiful clay Buck tour.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
And I don't hate I don't hate this idea at allSome.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
And I'm telling you, man, you guys would love it.
Bring your family, we'd have a blast, and we'd we'd
get the word out right because people want to.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Hear the truth.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
I love this.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
We'll talk about Bucks got a three month old, so
traveling all the way from Miami to Alaska a bit
of a trip, so he might not be able to
do it, but we will. I want to come up there,
and we'll come up for the show for sure, and
and help you out with this process. And and Loocier
Greg is making fun of me and saying maybe I
could swim from Alaska to Russia, because I said I
could swim from Alcatraz to the sat.
Speaker 5 (41:47):
That's after you do the Alcatraz swim. The bearing straight
swim is the that's the pro or challenging.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Senator. We appreciate the time.
Speaker 6 (41:55):
Okay, guys, good to be back on the show and
thanks for your great work.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
Thank you appreciate. I will say clay Alaska in the summer,
which is when I went there. Maybe yeah, I went
Keenai Peninsula fishing with my dad and my brothers. One
of the most in terms of natural beauty, one of
the most beautiful places I've ever seen. I mean, if
you like the cold, crisp weather beauty, it's it's amazing.
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